FUCKING DEAD

>>379214014
tbf it's likely most of those CoH players are just idling for the cards that were recently added

Everybody asked for Dawn of War 3

But somehow they delivered a Dawn of War 3 that nobody asked for

It's quite interesting

>>379215229
Nobody wanted a MOBA

>>379215049
CoH still has a pretty active playerbase.

>>379215229
Are you sad? ...

>>379214014
I was genuinly interasted in this game even after seeing how bad the multiplayer is, even thought about getting it when it goes on sale but now it's dead and i guess i dodged a bullet

>>379215408
its sad because if they actually made it a moba with a single player campaign it might haven not sucked so bad

The game is very barebones and reeks of a rushed development. It needed more time

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>>379215775
>getting it when it goes on sale
It's alright, never go full retard.

>>379214014
>dev's and marketing hails it as back to DoW 1 with base building and more.
>"lol also it's a moba-light"
>they forgot what happened to C&C4 Tiberian twilight

>>379215229
I can't believe how they can be so completely oblivious to the fact that everyone would just want a modernized version of DoW1. No need for a half-assed "revolution" when evolution is enough.

>>379214014

I know someone that has played CoH since it came out. Its the only game they play and they play it constantly. They are a huge WW2 buff, and are quite old. They also collect models and have shelves of history books about WW2 and even have an old rifle from the war.
I imagine thats what most CoH players are like these days.

>>379216064

It made no sense how they left all the MOBA-esq elements in the game, plain as day, after acknowledging that their fans want a proper RTS and not a moba.

>tfw even paid relic pro players are already back to playing CoH2 full time

>>379216231
Not really. Most CoH players are just typical RTS players. They stick around because the game is really good and there's really nothing else like it to be found.

Wehraboo grandpa demographic is Steel Division.

>>379216620
>wehraboo grandpa
not a thing
Older people grew up with a much different view of WW2 and the nazis than millenials

>>379216620
I would argue most older history buffs are playing this like this http://store.steampowered.com/app/370540/

>>379216756
Don't kid yourself, buddy.

Fascination with German arms of WW2 goes all the way back to the vets themselves.

>>379216938
Sure. I'm talking about RTS games.

>>379216756
This. Wehrabooism is mostly limited to people young enough to have absolutely no connection to WWII, eg. people whose parents haven't experienced the war themselves.

Its so frustrating because it has the framework there to be great but it does so, so very little and has so little content to justify 60 dollars, let alone hold your interest for more than a few hours.

The game acts deep and technical when in reality its lacking many features and has horrendous balance issues. Might be worth checking out down the road but pass on this one until an xpac or two.

Game was rushed

>>379217191
Go to a reenactment sometime. Compare the ages of the Wehrmacht reenactors (or in rare cases that you can find them, SS reenactors) to whoever else is there.

Weirdly enough, every ethnic Japanese reenactor I've met was doing US Army, when there's a dreadful shortage of Imperial Japanese groups out there.

>>379215862
The single player in DoW 3 sucks major dick. I refuse to believe that any of the vet designers for 1 or 2 had a hand in the writing, flow, or design of that campaign.

The moba complaints are honestly memes. They're from people who dont understand the core problems with DoW 3.

I could talk for hours about any one of them but in conclusion, any element made DoW1 famous and drove people to be fans of 2 is present in DoW3 but is so castrated that it feels like a different company's take on 40k. It plays like any generic rts from the 90s to late 2000s and it hurts me to see DoW become this.

It is the only relic game which I dont like.

>>379217802
This is insulting to generic RTS games.

I actually really like generic RTS games.

DoW3 is just watered down garbage for faggots.

>>379217802
>The moba complaints are honestly memes. They're from people who dont understand the core problems with DoW 3.

Fucking THIS
DoW3 has a load of stupid design decisions but when someone calls it a MOBA or MOBA-like you can trash his opinion outright.

The first one I would dispute:
Why the fuck did they combine power and requisition to one cap point but keep them as separate resources?

>>379218180
People call it a moba because it has lanes, set towers and a power core to destroy along with moba heroes.

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It boggles my fucking mind how a sequel can be shit when a company already has the formula of how to make a successful game in its' series.

>>379218384
The people funding the game's development want more sales that than formula will produce.
In this case they figured the fanbase from 1 and 2 would buy it out of brand loyalty so they tried to cash in on the MOBA market too.

I wanted to like it but I dropped it once I realized how absolutely worthless your basic units are.

Tactical marines get completely obliterated like starcraft marines, they have absolutely no weight to them. I understand this was to make the game feel like it had a larger sense of scale but it completely killed it for me. Anything but the hero units is just shit cannon fodder.

Give me another expansion to CoH2 already.

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>>379219063
>tfw you actually like CoH2 a lot but believe it has the worst, most cancerous DLC of any game you've ever played
This game tries to nickel and dime me on a level I've never seen.

>>379218878
Exactly. I can see orks or nids or IG just falling apart but fucking marines? Give me a break.

>>379219247
I must admit I did buy some of the meme doctrines during the first year of release. Before the new Warspoils gave me more gold than I could spend.

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>Relic has successfully created an entire sub-genre of Relic-RTS games
>decide to make a generic RTS instead

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I've played like 40 hours of this and I'm already sick of it.

The good:
-sound design is superb

-fights look spectacular when they kick off

-building animations look great

-the ork's new waaagh mechanic is one of the coolest things I've ever seen in an RTS


The bad:
-only 3 races instead of 4

-only 1 game mode

-its artificial as fuck. every single game plays out the same and doesn't allow for much counterplay or different tactics other than mash your blob against the enemy blob

-GAME IS ALL ABOUT NUKING FUCKING BLOBS AND NOTHING ELSE

-absolutely no catchup mechanics as soon as you lose map control the game is officially over. think the rich get richer and the poor get poorer

-heavy balance issues and multiple crippling bugs still plague the game well over a month after release

everything just falls apart so quick and the units die like fucking gnats it feels like they're not even worth building

its a 5/10 at best and that's a god-damn national tragedy that not even relic can make something like this work. And the numbers show, I don't know how well the game actually sold but it's very telling that more people are playing your previous games from like 10 years ago than your new one that's supposed to be the newest and bestest. This isn't good enough relic, fix your shit then you won't look like assholes like you do now

if DOW3 turned out to be mediocre as fuck then this franchise is truly fucked if you ask me

>>379220790
>sound design is superb
Really? I listened to some of the faction themes on youtube and they sounded unmemorable at best.
Is there some video where I could listen to the voice acting and sounds of battle?

>game that has been in a shitload of bundles and literally given away for free has more players than brand new game that hasn't even been on a good sale once

What a mystery. It's almost as if... as if most Steam users were just like /v/ and are garbage shitters that don't have the computers nor the money for new games.

>>379221081
sorry I mean the atmosphere and sound effects. the music is.. kind of ok? honestly there really isn't music playing but as far as giving each faction a "theme" it works well enough. marines have some kind of dread filled brass, orks have rock music and eldar have whispy sounds or something

>>379221179
get over yourself. 60 bucks for this game is practically robbery considering how little content it actually has and it recent was 50% off on GMG

>>379221358
How about the voice acting?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IMuLiNWyHg

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>3rd game in the franchise and the opportunity to break away from the SM/Eldar/Ork mainstays
>they didn't take the chance and we end up with this garbage

Space Marines are FUCKING BORING.

And if you absolutely MUST have Space Marines, make them something other than fucking Blood Ravens.

>>379221447
No it wasn't. You fell for some meme photoshop like the idiot you are.

>>379221648
Dawn of War is about the Blood Ravens though.

>>379221620
its hit and miss honestly. marines sound like a soldier talking through a helmet, not all robot like they did in previous games. the terminators sound all robotic and scary though which is alright for me

orks are awesome, they're about what you'd expect...lads

eldar are by far the worst offenders. some of their stuff is ok but then you have the wraithlord which is possibly the worst voiceacted unit in the game. what the fuck happened to DOW2's that was perfect?

>>379221648
The Blood Ravens are the main faction in the DoW series. They were specifically created for these games.

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>>379222173
>Dawn of War is about the Blood Ravens though

Does it really fucking have to be?

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google it then retard and see how dumb you look

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This man led the destruction of the Dawn of War franchise, say something nice about him.

>>379221790
um...

>>379221081
I think the sound effects in DoW 3 are shit. I don't get people who say the game has good sound design. And this isn't even counting the grave lore offenses commuted by the game.

Multiplayer matches essentially have no music, which is fucking retarded when the previous games had great soundtracks.

Voice acting is meh, definitely a downgrade from DoW 2.

>>379222486
I wouldn't say its destroyed. honestly I've seen much more spectacular franchise suicides but this game certainly isn't good

>>379215229
inb4 they blame the fans for not buying and playing their piece of shit MOBA

>>379214014
Was dead on launch, this is not new news, it was a niche rts title that fucked over what its fans like in favor of casual esports bullshit.

>>379214014
I'm so sick of this JUST/TORtanic meme.
Try being constructive ffs

>>379221081
Ork theme is the best though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQvGuSHMbMc

The only way this game can be salvaged is if they say fuck it and go full Ultimate Apocalypse and just start adding every. single. unit. ever. to every army in the game as they release more factions as DLC.

>>379215978
this is correct opinion. also, open beta was a week before launch. not a good sign.

>>379222779
retard. just because the music is lacking doesn't mean the sound design sucks too asshole. the atmosphere is great and the sound effects have tons of punch and bass behind them.

pull your headphones out of your ass and stick them on your retarded head and actually listen

>>379223341
I didn't say that was the case. They suck independently of each other.

>>379223184
Well...Relic or SEGA did say they wanted to eventually put every 40K faction in DoW 3 in the expansions.

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>>379223039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6lUjVLPU04

>>379223039
Gorgutz looks like fucking Shrek

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE BASE BUILDING

GIMMIE BASE BUILDING RELIC

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>379223032
It's not as if the warning signs weren't there for the devs they knew what fans thought of the new gameplay. They dug their grave now they lie in it, fuck em they screwed over the actual fans of the originals I've no sympathy

>>379223341
This must be your first DoW game. The sound design is absolute shit comparatively.

>>379223437
Wellll to bad it will have no players to bother buying it because the overall game is designed like trash.

>>379223532
oh really? you're trying to tell me KAYOOOSSSSS and METAL BAWKSES were better? give me a break. you can make a case for DOW2 but 1 was a joke

>>379223437
They'll need to do more than just have every faction if they want it to succeed though. If this game every single faction that Soulstorm has it'll still need at least twice the unit count for each army that it currently has, especially considering a bunch of the units especially for Space Marines are just the same except with different weapons.

>>379215229
they made a game mode that had something to piss off everyone

>>379218878
https://www.dawnofwar.com/article/patch-notes-may-31-2017

they're getting buffed, not like anyone cares at this point

>>379223879
at this point I dont see the game picking up players until they add more fucking content. be it another race or a fucking annihilate like a normal RTS game for crying out loud

and then when that happens nobody, and I mean NOBODY will want to play power core again

I'm just waiting for them to unfuck the Warp Spiders achievement so I can finally 100% it, uninstall and never touch it again.

>>379223032
This is /v/.
They will circlejerk each other when a game they hate fails and screech like children when a game they hate succeds.

>>379220790
>artificial as fuck
>every single game plays out the same
>no counterplay
>mash your blob
aaaaaah stop you don't know how RTS games work.
It's got it's problems and I really would of just preferred DoW 1 Enhanced or something similar but DoW 3 isn't that bad of a game.

>>379221179
>If you don't buy overpriced, rushed crap that not even series fans are enjoying you're a "garbage shitter"

Kill yourself any time.

>>379223701
>dow1 sound design
>A joke
Kill yourself

>>379224654
>m-muh over rushed crap waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh
>game has more units than dow 2 did at launch

>>379220790
when you see superunits like the elites just assume the developers had such little faith in their game they felt the need to waste half the budget on fuckhuge mechs for dem trailers

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>>379214014

>>379225123
It all makes sense now.

>>379224952

I just assumed GW pushed Relic to add the superheavy walkers, the same way they pushed them on the TT game. They're not any fun there, either.

>>379223032
>>379224207
I'll never get people like you. The game is shit; it's not what the fans wanted, it didn't make inroads with those unfamiliar with the series and interested in Gookclick or assfaggotry, which is the demographic that the game was clearly fucking directed at. It cost a stupid amount for barely any content, much less content than previous entries in the series or even other games released at the same time for the same or less cost, meaning it was a fundamentally unattractive purchase even if you thought the gameplay looked alright. It was very clearly rushed out and hamstrung by corporate meddling like 90% of entertainment these days. Nobody really liked what the game had to offer so it flopped. This shit happens all the time.

But no, /v/ must be sooooo cynical for not rushing into slop at the trough like consumer whore piggies. Fuck right off.

>>379225483
>I ate up the moba memes so the game completely failed
>here's a bunch more false information

You sound pathetic dude.

>>379225627
everyone played it during the open beta and NOPED after a few hours

>>379224952
knights were in the lore for a long time now asshat.

>>379225746
I was in the beta too and the vast majority of shitters like you couldn't play the game to save your lives. That's where all the retarded shit like "hurrr it's all about blobbing!" came from.

>>379214014
Can someone explain to me why they need to take existing franchise and change everything ?
Why not just make a related franchise, in the same setting and everything ?
You know, to try and ACTUALLY get new customers WITHOUT alienating your existing base ?

>>379225897
>y-you only h-hate it because you're baaaaaad!

Grow up kiddo.

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>>379226141

The assumption is that your existing fanbase will come back no matter what (because brand loyalty is actually a thing among retarded people).

So then you're safe to completely reinvent your formula and draw in the hip new e-sports crowd.

>>379226313
But that assumption keeps being proven wrong everytime it's tried.
Are marketing "people" even capable of learning new things ?

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>>379226141
>Why not just make a related franchise, in the same setting and everything ?

liberals.

The entire DoW 3 team are canadian liberals who hired trannies, other liberals, and women only.

>>379225123

Me on the left.

>>379225483
Nigger, it is not that the game sucks or not (it does), but that you will always start some thread with "TROLOLOLOL MOBAMOBAMOBA" and shit like that while acting like self-righteous twats because for once you were right, and I am getting a bit peeved by that.
Also DoW 2 is more MOBA than 3, not like you twats actually know the definitions of genres.

>>379226482
that's bioware, retard. relic just tried something new and ended up shitting their pants in this case

>>379226474

Well they assumed their product would actually be good. Even if it irked the longtime fans, they would come back and play if it was actually a fun game.

But it's not a fun game. It's fucking boring as shit.

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http://www.jillianwalker.ca/about-me/

Let's look at an average 2017 game developer in Canada

This woman is employed at RELIC games.

57,000 tweets, 7,000 followers.

0 mentions of games, does not play games, and it's all libtard SJW postings about her amazing plant based food and vacations.

>>379226482
Is that Brother-Captain Antonius Fantano?

>>379226627
https://twitter.com/relicgames/status/570712511646867456

Why are you so wrong. That is relic games.

>relic just got so creative omg it's totally not the switch to cum-drinking libtards, disgusting brain damaged trannies and women

>>379226482
Ah, nepotistic incompetence, where would we be without you.
Probably Mars.

>>379219247
yeah nah not anymore. It's no worse than LoL or any other game with purchasable characters/items. You can earn free currency to buy shit which is fine.

>>379226761
How often do you tweet about pumping gas? Not everyone feels the need to sperg out about work off hours.

>>379226761
>57,000 tweets

Jesus christ, and to think I feel bad about posting on 4chan.

>>379226761

>she's not a PR person
>it's her own twitter account

You're fucking reaching, man. Why do you care if she posts about work or not?

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>>379225123
>These people touched Warhammer 40K

It sure is an absolute kind of disgusting. No wonder it's trash.

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The Necron expansion will surely save this game!

Right?

>>379227203
It's a nigger's plot to shit on the game. Fact is the Relic team hasn't changed at all and all those devs are the same people behind the other COH and DoW games.

/v/ loves its retarded "muh sjw" narratives though.

>>379227456
it better be fucking awesome, standalone, and $50 or less

>>379227557
>/v/ loves its retarded "muh sjw" narratives though.
This so much.
t. Pro-GG when it was a thing.

>>379218384
they fell for the expanded audience meme. almost every time something niche with a loyal following tries to appeal to everyone else it gets fucked

>>379223701
Yes, that's what I'm telling you dumbass monkeigh.

>>379226627
It isn't just a case of "trying something new" you fuck. They made full-retard design decisions left and right. These Canadian literal dumbasses need to get out of the business of trying to make video games.

>>379227557
>>379227808

I agree with you to a point. The "muh SJW's ruining gaming" shit they're constantly crying about is fucking retarded. However, he makes a point with this dumb bitch. Can we not agree on the premise that the people who are going to be best at understanding what makes a good video game and will be best at working on video games are people who have some degree of passion for them? This would suggest this bitch doesn't care much for them.

I personally don't blame females for not liking video games though because if I sucked at video games, I probably wouldn't like them either. That's also partly why I don't blame /v/ for not liking video games either.

>>379214014
If CoH1 is alive, is CoH2 doing even better?

The series is on sale and I don't want to get a ded gaem

>>379228725
No, you dumb nigger. She works in fucking human resources. What, do you think every dev team is made up of fucking gamers, even the people that don't even get near the product at all?

>>379229157
Oh, I didn't know what position she held.

No, I'm well aware that dev teams are full up the ass of people who don't work on the actual game. I've seen enough 5 hour long ending credits. That's a one of the major problems with the game industry these days.

>>379214014
WHAT THE FUCK WENT WRONG

>>379230039
Your parents had sex.

>>379219063
How did they get away with jewing us so hard

>>379230320
Meanie head :(

>>379227279
>It sure is an absolute kind of disgusting. No wonder it's trash.
the worst trash is the obviously mental ill trannies all over gaming

>>379228729
Yeah, the complete edition is super cheap too.

>>379227456
if it still has this power core moba trash ripoff shit going on not even the emperor himself can save this

>they just went in an original direction, its' nothing else

There are like 2 maps for each versus mode. This isn't a question of creative design missing the mark. This is a complete shit devhouse that should all be fired or turned into glue at the nearest people disposal factory.

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>>379226482

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>we want the starcraft and moba audiences
>wtf now we are bankrupt!!!!

Why does this happen literally everytime?

>>379231004
On the bright side the community is making more maps. If only relic would unfuck the multiplayer then we woukd be on the right track

>>379231004
Yeah. And they very clearly stated that they did that in order to ship a map maker on release date because most people played on custom maps anyway.

>>379220790
>sound is great
https://youtu.be/OJhtIv_Yd5w

This track is far better than any music in dow3

>>379228729
It's the gookclick alternative

>>379214014
Just bought Company of Heroes 2 instead of the new Dawn of War game.

Ask me anything goys

>>379222283
yes

>>379231424
it really didnt' appeal to either. It just mashed bunches of features from random games into shit.

best part of the game was the trailer
that shit was amazing

>>379219607
>I can see orks or nids or IG just falling apart but fucking marines?
3 hours later, but holy fuck this post reeks of someone who knows nothing of Warhammer.

>>379234357
>god tier trailer
>fucking RELIC. the guys that made dawn of war and company of heroes
>all the stars was aligning for this game to be great
>turns out shit against all odds

what a world

>>379234519
all 3 of those factions rely on overwhelming numbers while space marines are generally elite infantry that are normally outnumbered. what are you even talking about?

>>379234519
Too much fluff, not enough crunch. Even if this game didn't suck people would get pissed at the tiniest detail. Such is the 40K fanbase.

>>379234357
nah, I knew something was up when I saw skinny marines.

>>379232792
What faction do you like?

>>379234996
The communists

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>>379214014
>DoW3 crashes and burns
>Relic gets spooked by this and develops a very classic Company of Heroes 3 RTS
>Its great

>>379225123
That cleavage tho

>>379235345
That face tho

>>379235605
"Can't see the face if you have your face in those titties" - Abraham Lincoln

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>>379234681
>overwhelming numbers
I don't think you understand the sheer difference between an IG overwhelming numbers and the others. Both in fluff and in crunch.

IG outnumber the others roughly 3 or 4 to 1 if we're going pure infantry. In a 500 point game you're looking at something like 80-100 models for IG. Orks won't approach that number of models until you start doing 1850 games.
Look at pic related, something I found trying to google a better example. The Space Marine they are all shooting at is worth more points than the Guard. Note the singular in Marine there.

>>379235342
Relic's master plan

>>379235926
yeah... that's exactly what I fucking said. reading comprehension?