Name a better RPG battle system. Protip: you can't.

>>379207861
X-2

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This is the epitome of turn based battle

Grandia 2.

>>379208094
>sagafag

opinion invaldiated

>>379207861
Bravely Default.

>>379208141
>Says a Final fucking Fantasy fan
You kidding me, m8?

>>379208159
If any battle system mentioned so far is better than X, it's this one.

>>379207941
/thread

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>>379207861

>>379208403
>>379207941
>ATB
It's shit.

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>>379207861

>>379208094
is the game good? is it getting translated or some shit? can I play it on henkaku even if its japanese?

It's good if only for the fact that it's a turn based RPG that gives you more turns if you have a high speed stat.

It's completely retarded when turn based games have a speed stat and the only thing it affects is if you get to act before the enemies, but you all get to do exactly one thing in order anyway.

>>379208459
Utter ass. Worst scaling in any contemporary videogame. The lack to actually know what skills/magic you can use on your next turn, and the availability of your Ultimates being quite literally random is unforgivable.
>haha hell yeah hope I can use X skill, it does lods a damage
>lel nope wanna use a potion?
>ive had full fucking morale for 4 turns when can I use my fucking Ult?
>whoopsie doodles boss enrage

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>>379208940
>digimon cyber sleuth
>that fucking dramon
>200 turns
>can't do shit

t-t-thx..

abuse the meta or get abused I guess.

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This game has one of the best turn based battle systems you could ever ask for; but no one will ever give it the respect it deserves because not only is it extreme weeb bait, but extreme idol weeb bait.

>>379209671
its coming for steam though, should I buy it? I like weebshit but not idolshit.

>>379208591
EO battle system is as basic as it gets, they just remembered to make things like ailments and buffs actually useful.

>>379209873
I was surprised at Persona 5 when even mini bosses got Marin Karin'd, P5 is such a step forward for the series holy shit, having status actually be usefull.

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>>379207861

>>379210101
SMT4A

>>379209873
Exactly. It doesn't do anything too fancy, but it does it good and the later games especially have some interesting ideas for what certain character classes can do and the way you can make your team members work together.

>>379209819
Wait for it to be on sale for $5 as it eventually will be. I got it for $20 and was satisfied though.

Kingdom Hearts 2

>>379208159
The Brave/Default system is so babby mode braindead it's pretty much impossible not to break it. Crap just like the rest of the game.

Grandia 3 has best turnbased rpg combat system ever made

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>>379210371
>>379210419
Which one is better?

The Last Remnant.

It's pretty neat.

>>379210419
jessss

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Name a worse system.

>>379207861
anything with actual positioning elements

>>379210490
3 has better combat, but everything else is dogshit.

>>379210490

Grandia 3 expands on the combat system in 2 even though every other aspect drops.

>>379207861
>JRPGS are RPGS

???

>>379210554
kiseki

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>>379210490
2

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>>379210552
>>379210771

>>379210695
Love VP, haven't heard of this one.
Is it decent at least?

Bravely Default If some of the classes weren't so hilariously broken.

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>>379210882
There is nothing wrong with one on one fighting

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Best FF title too.

>>379207941
fpbp

>>379210960
It's a bad version of FFT.

>>379208108
Very good

>>379211071
There is when it's the awful, slow slog it is in TA.

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>>379210554

Xenoblade Chronicles

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>>379210554
Enemy position manipulation.

>>379211476
>normal fights are fucking braindead easy
>the only moderately hard fights in the game, you can't manipulate the enemy

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Legend of Mana

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>>379207861
Here. Notonly a better RPG battle system, but also a battle system that makes sense given the lore of the game.
And a better game

>>379210260
It's funny because it's sort of true

Megaman Battle Network.
The whole series.

>>379210371
Wait, there was a third one?

>>379211382
I expected so much more from it. The game kept introducing more and more cool mechanics through tutorials up until the Xord fight, but then it just stopped and Break-Topple-Daze kept being the best shit you could go for.

>>379211935
>Baten_Kaitos_Eternal_Wings-12.jpg
>Eternal Wings
>pic is from Origins

>>379212265
And Xtreme.

>>379210490
3 has better combat, 2 is easier and less grind. Don't play 3, though, it's horrible on everything else.

>>379207941
This was a pretty quick thread.
FFX has a good combat system, but it really makes most of the game not challenging knowing how much time you have to prep before an enemy gets to attack.

>>379209671
>This game has one of the best turn based battle systems you could ever ask for; but no one will ever give it the respect it deserves because not only is it extreme weeb bait, but extreme idol weeb bait.

I heard that Dark Rose Valkyrie has a refined version of OQ's battle system.

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>>379210552
I remember disliking Chrono Cross' combat. Something to do with turning the field a certain color to get the most effective actions.
It just might have been me being a kid when the game came out, but I still played through it because of the amazing OST.

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>>379210771
>mfw when bought a DS just for this game

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>hey guys you know how Sabin in FF6 does that cool mock-fighter skill?
>what if we make a whole game out of this, while expanding on cool ass shit characters we have?
Thus best game nobody played was made.

>>379211019
game?

>>379212724
>but I still played through it because of the amazing OST.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7V_1nnowEk
Lol

>>379212145
much better than the Star Force games, that's for sure

>>379212724
That's because CC's combat was a good idea poorly implemented. It didn't make combat more tactical or challenging. Just tedious and boring.

>>379212351
Yeah didn't bother to rename the file. But it did bother me when I was looking for it before the upload..

>>379207861
Bravely Default, Xenoblade.

>>379211019
I thought Dylan was the "make SG piss easy" character.

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>>379210552
>If you don't skill your characters a specific certain way you make the game unplayable due to lack of damage from your characters

>>379209093
>Worst scaling in any contemporary videogame

You've never played it, since that was fixed.

>>379212847
Yeah, that amazing OST.

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>>379212820
Valkyrie Profile 2.

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>>379212587
>love to use best girl, Aht
>mfw fighting immovable enemies

>>379213084
It has the worst normal battle theme in a JRPG though.

>>379212847
>if one song is bad the entire OST is bad
ok buddy whatever you say

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>>379207861

>>379207861
Pretty much the entire rest of the series honestly. I get that some people loved this shit but I wasn't a big fan. I prefer the straight up turn based NES games and I prefer ATB. I also prefer Press Turn.

>>379212847
Never really understood why this bothers people so much.

>>379212847
>implying this song isn't amazing

>>379213223
What objective criteria are you basing that on? Cause I can tell you for a fact it's not the worst normal battle theme. It's not even the worst normal battle theme made by Square.

>>379212819
>game looks and sounds really cool
>look it up since i'm interested in playing it
>no english translation
well shit anon, i wonder why nobody played it

>>379210305
Name a better system then. If it's your turn based SMT crap don't even bother.

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>>379210552
Septerra Core
>slow as fuck
>many unavoidable encounters
>shit magic system

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>>379208108
I came here to post this.

>>379213329
>pick enemy weakness
>watch a drawn out unskippable in-game cutscene of attacks
>repeat entire game

Yeah that was old after about 3 hours.

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>>379213406
Name three worst main battle themes from a Square JRPG or I'll eat your soul.

>>379211019
>I'M GONNA PUT EVERYTHING IN TO THIS!

>>379210552
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5sKE17L3w

>>379213578
Not him but:
>Final Fantasy IV
>Final Fantasy IV
>Final Fantasy IV

>>379212486
you dont need to grind in any grandia game, fighting enemies that are in your direct path is plenty of enough exp to get you through the game. actively avoiding enemies makes the boss fights that much more fun

>>379213541
Custscenes are skippable, session attacks do get annoying when you get all the characters though.

>>379207861
Real-time battle systems

>>379213424
Not really sure why you specified turn-based as an element when trashing SMT since BD is turn-based itself. Did you... actually play it, or are you just some dumb weeb who didn't actually play it and is assuming it's an ATB game?

And all you have to do is read the thread for a better system. The people saying Grandia games are correct.

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>>379213864
Anon...

baten kaitos is pretty cool desu, replaying it now.

>>379213578
Hot opinions coming through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5VmAsofmGc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzQTkDYuyBg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKaYJ1Jm7uI

I like all of those except for FFAdventure.

>>379213816
Sessions are what I was talking about. I was just being facetious. I know you can skip things like special performances. Just a shame you couldn't skip or cancel out of sessions. There comes a point where I don't need to extra money/shit items anymore and just want to to have fights that fucking end.

>>379207941
>evolution of the ATB system leads to the best iteration being stuck behind a gaiden game

really gets the noggin joggin

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>>379210419
Only correct answer.

>>379208797
It's very good, we don't know if it's getting translated, I don't know about henkaku but the game is unplayable regardless if you're not versed in Japanese.

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>>379213438
Ugh, those encounters were the worst.
>Go through an area
>Have to fight like 20 encounters
>Finish a quest
>Have to go back through the area and fight all 20 again
Jesus Christ, this game has more battles than Lufia. I never finished SC because of it.

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>>379207861
Thrust vectoring owns the skies and battle systems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3gTXzsDRBg

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>>379214415
>Paradigm Shift
That shit's my JAM.

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I think SH3 had the best combat system. You have to aim your attacks using the judgement ring, which you can customize to be more difficult to hit in exchange for stronger attacks or always doing critical hits. And then during combat you'd build up a super meter that you could spend on double turns or to tag in one of your allies.

It had an elaborate combo system with knock up attacks leading to juggles and knock downs on airborn enemies. Certain spells had specific heights they'd work at so combo moves would let you use your most powerful magic all the time. And because enemies had access to the same kind of combo attacks you wanted to try and end every fight turn 0 so the enemy wouldn't walk up and kill one or two of your guys right away. And your spells/skills took affect based on your proximity to each enemy so you would have to pay attention to where your characters would end up mid combo and which skills pushed enemies in which directions.

>>379209671
What makes Omega Quintet so good?

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>>379215110
Last Hunter is better senpai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9MR3r_DWrA

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>>379207861
I enjoyed this one

>>379207861
If this game was a little less linear, had more vistas and Tidus was more masculine, it would have been godlike.

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>>379215857
>Linear is bad

Persona 5, Shadow Heart, Grandia 2

>>379215954
Did I say it was bad? I said if it was a LITTLE LESS. Learn to read.

>>379216034
It's a pilgrimage, learn to understand the context of the story.

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>>379207861
*Blocks your path*

>>379208141

SaGa>Final Fantasy anyday

>>379217114
Isn't SaGa part of the FF franchise in some way, or at least the early ones?
Why would fans of either argue?

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>>379217317
SaGa is unironically too deep and complex for FF fans.

>>379217317
No. They're different series. But the concept of the gameplay mechanics from the original SaGa games was refined from Final Fantasy II. And the first 3 SaGa games were released as "Final Fantasy Legend" in the west.

>>379217427
>using the one SaGa game that divides even the SaGa fanbase as an example

I mean I'm on your side on team SaGa Anon, but come on. It isn't just the FFbabbies who have Unlimited.

It's just ok.

>>379212724
No, turning the field to a certain color wasn't required. Only if you wanted to use OP spells for making the most powerful equipment.

>>379215304
Still the best.

People who think JRPGs have good combat are probably too brain damaged to even install it, though.

Lighting Returns

>>379211019

I got stuck on the fucking fire monster and dropped the game. Im still mad about it and it was like 6 years ago

>>379217010
You are a nigga of my friend, my all time favourite ps2 game. I remember grinding for hours to get all of Idrials magic skills by spamming the healing and ap recovery spells against weak ass enemies.

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Don't bother naming the best battle theme, because I got it right here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbN5klLQL-g

>>379217427
Ok, same reviews I see for any good niche title, no surprise. Reviews are dogshit anyway for deciding the worth of a game.
>>379217778
That's probably what I was thinking of then.

>>379217010

I remember dumping every single level in str for berethor and slicing through battles like butter.

Gud game.

>>379210552
SO3's battle system was like a thousand times better than SO2's, mate.

>>379207941
>ATB
>Anywhere near good.
No.

>>379218842
Yeah, and guess which Final Fantasy is often cited as the worst of the series.

>>379219374
VIII

>>379219374
IX.

>>379218842
This first three SaGa games were call Final Fantasy Legend outside of Japan. Just like Seiken Densetsu 1 was called Final Fantasy Adventure.

>>379219374
10, 7, 8, 9, 12

>>379219561
This is right.

>>379219691
This is bait.

>>379219374
Dunno, I don't play FF. The only friend I used to have who played FF said 6 was the worst.
>>379219849
Yeah that's probably what I was thinking of, idk. Reminds me of the Mana series.

>>379213245
When it's the song you hear for 90% of the game, then yes.

>>379216185
>story over gameplay
Not even once

>>379220046
I think you got that backwards, chief.

IX is Square's biggest blunder.

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>>379220135
>said 6 was the worst.

>>379208940
Well, the word speed is misused, it should be spelled initiative.

>>379220367
You are aware we live in the same universe as Final Fantasy XIII, right?

>>379220385
Like I said, I've never played them man. What's wrong with 6? Lost contact with him after high school so I can't ask him.

FFXII is god tier fuck whoever says otherwise

>>379220367
>Leveling up is discouraged
>Drawing is tedious and boring
>Story makes absolutely no sense after Disc 2
>All characters except Squall and Rinoa, the two worst in the franchise, are irrelevant after Disc 1
>Overdrives are spammable
VIII is honestly the biggest blunder from Squaresoft.

>>379207861
>inb4 a bunch of homos claim that abortion X-2 was better

>>379207941

Yes, but that's pretty much the only good thing from X-2.

>>379220516
VI is considered one of the best RPGs of all time, saying VI is one of the worst is being contrarian for the sake of it.

>>379220135
Seiken Densetsu is the Mana series

>>379220791
Japan thinks it is alright. Not bad, but not among the best either.

>>379210552
SO3 had a fantastic combat system though.

>>379213415
I played it using google translate on my cell phone. It was not that much of a deal. It's a great game.

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>>379221202
Japan also thinks that Lightning is better than Serah, Japan is always wrong when it comes to FF.

>>379213748
You need to grind in 3 for magic eggs. You don't need to grind to beat the game, but if you want anything besides the same skills, you need it. Same goes with the first game. There is a smart way to grind i.e. using heal on statues screen instead of on combat, but it still is a grind.

>>379220791
I believe you forgot the extra i at the end of vi because saying a correct statement is contraian is the definition of being contraian.

>>379220791
This conversation is beginning to confuse me. Meh.
>>379221086
I see.

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>>379221868
Google 'top 10 RPGs' and on any list you will see Final Fantasy VI, it's literally GOAT.

>>379222261
Nice spaceship
Is that a dude or an ugly lady
Anyway I don't google "top 10" anything, sorry, so I'll take your word for it.

Okay, but what JRPG has the best CLASS/JOB system?

>>379212819
holy shit is that haohmaru

>>379222663
Well considering the filename.

>>379221382
While they might be "wrong" about Final Fantasy, they are right about it not being special during the SNES era.

>>379222654
Final Fantasy V and Dragon Warrior VII.

>>379209873
Too bad it's wildly variant whether ailments are useful or complete ass from game to game.

Chrono Cross had a lovely combat system, imo. Too bad the rest of the game aside from the ost was painfully mediocre. Random stat allocation, what?

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>>379222654
FFT Monk dual-wielding fists

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>>379220552
Mah nigga.

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>>379207861
>TFW BLAZING DYNAMO

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>>379223270
HARPOON

>>379222654
Golden Sun is pretty mediocre overall but it was very good in that respect.

If we're counting srpgs, Vandal Hearts or Wild Arms XF. Those games did classing better than FFT and TO.

>>379209671
This was better than it had any right to be, considering the developer.

>>379217010
Playing that right now. FFX combat is better imo.

>>379223270
Maybe if they had polished it at all.

>>379217427
That game deserved every one of those scores. I love the other SaGa games but Unlimited was terrible.

>>379220552
It is a good game but it felt short on the MMO memes with shit tier rng everywhere and empty devoid open world. If it had focus instead of trying to be an MMO, it would have been the best FF of all time.

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>>379222654
Metal max 2R/3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw5JIvfF9fM

>>379207861
Grandia 2 and SMTIV:A

>>379207861

Gambit system from 12

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>>379224458
>Game that plays itself

>>379224621

Game that plays itself if you do it right.
Fixed it for you.

>>379207941
Honestly this. Too bad everything else about that game sucked. Goat combat system.

>>379207861
>Quick attack
>Quick attack
>Quick attack

So deep

>>379225379
>Pressing buttons on a piece of plastic
So deep.

>>379225379
>Can switch party members on the fly
>Speed/Haste/Slow of all members tracked seperately
>Can manipulate turns to squeeze out an extra turn here or there.

Fuck off dickhead it was perfect.

>>379226053
>Rock paper scissors
>Perfect
Let's not get too carried away here.

>>379222654
LITERALLY the only thing good about FFX-2

>>379225865

>Wasting time on video signals hitting our eyeballs to distract us from the inevitable end of all things
So deep

>>379223270
INFERNOOO!

>>379207861
chrono trigger

>>379210552
Any tactical RPG.

>>379210552
FF7 was pretty boring

>>379222654
Ffv and x-2 for that matter but the rest of the game sucked.

>>379224307
Alright this is like the tenth time I've seen Grandia come up, what makes its battle system so good?

>>379211019

Fuck that combat system is god-tier. What are some recent RPGs that have completely over-the-top effects like the specials in Valkyrie Profile 2? Resonance of Fate had some flashy stuff but got repetitive.

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>>379210371
>mfw Grandia is legit one of my favorite games of all time
>mfw still haven't played its sequels

>>379212847
Chrono Cross' soundtrack sucks so much compared to Trigger's...I never got the love for it

>>379210882

MC fighting for one true cause.

>>379218254
I actually hate ToEE.

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>>379207861
press turn

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>>379213329
no thanks

>>379213329
>>379228761
What an abomination to both series.

>>379226053
The game doesn't really push you hard enough. It'd be one thing if you HAD to swap in Auron to guard the party every now and then/use X breaks to make everything manageable regularly or swapped in Rikku to abuse her speed to get around boss mechanics or had to stall bosses with summons to buy yourself time, but it's a rare situation where that's useful, let alone needed.

>>379228881
>Better gameplay than the latest entries in each of the respective series
>Abomination to the series
(You)

>>379217317
>Isn't SaGa part of the FF franchise in some way, or at least the early ones?

Final Fantasy II game design was done by Akitoshi Kawazu, the guy that created the SaGa series.

FFII is proto SaGa

>>379207861
I don't know if it's the best overall but it's definitely the best that (mainline) Final Fantasy has ever gotten. The turn list is such a simple feature yet it's so brilliant, it baffles me that Square is pursuing the action meme when it has yet to turn out well. Let Kingdom Hearts be action, let Final Fantasy be turn-based.

>>379228761
The only thing it has going is gameplay. I was disappointed it wasn't what a bunch of people and myself expected.

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>>379222919
Curse aside all ailments are useful, but it's hard to actually inflict them in EO3. I hope Nightseeker is included in EO3U.

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>>379207861
I will leave this here.
https://youtu.be/VRHnUyWWHJI?t=41m31s

>>379220791
Considered one of the best JRPGs of all time by people who got a tiny, tiny fraction of JRPGs at the time, let alone good ones.

Also considered the best by people who don't give a shit about gameplay so I have even more of a reason to ignore them. Playing unmodded VI is like pulling teeth.

>>379229537
>inflict once
>lasts for 3 turns if you're lucky
>resistance raises through the fucking roof for the rest of the battle, good luck trying to reapply it faggot
What was EO3 thinking?

>>379229052
Did Kawazu do Legend of Legacy or was that a different SaGa guy? I enjoy the old style more than the new style for SaGa.

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>>379207941
X-2 is FUCKING awful, holy shit. HOW DO YOU RETARDS LIKE IT?

FFX's combat is timeless. It's classic, turn-based without all the bullshit bells and whistles.

FFX-2 is a dated piece with all sorts of anachronistic bullshit that shouldn't be in there.

>>379218254
But it requires you to deal with the game's insufferable opening, thus making you the retard for having reached the part that's actually fun.

>>379230695
It's the other SaGa guy. Kawazu worked on SaGa Scarlet Grace.

>>379229052
>the worst FF is proto SaGa

So SaGa should be avoided at all costs got it

>>379207861
any game thats not turn based lmao

>>379207861
Arc Rise Fantasia

>>379231087
FF2 was just a proof of concept. The actually good SaGa games take that concept and make it fun.

>>379210082
Status were crucial in P3P solo maniac.

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Xenosaga 3 is an evolution of X's combat. Imagine if square kept maintaining and refining X that would be Xenosaga iii

>>379207861
Most of them.

>>379231495
/Thread.

>>379211086
You my nigga.

>>379221502
Not really unless you really fuck up by fusing / extracting a bunch of eggs; pretty sure the game gives you enough eggs to make 2-3 ethers eggs. Only really need 1 of any spell (mostly galactic bang).
Healing in battle items > spells
Your party set up is much more important than the levels imo finished the game at lvl 40

>>379208108
/thread

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>>379230010
How old are you? Seriously, I want to know. Because I was actually alive and aware of the gaming scene when Final Fantasy III (VI) was first previewed. Until Chrono Trigger, which came out about a year later, it was critically and fan-heralded as the most beautiful 16-Bit RPG of all time, if not the most beautiful period. Beautiful graphics. Beautiful music and effects. Beautiful, heart-warming/wrenching story. Plentiful secrets and hidden things to find. One of the most customizable games ever brought to Western shores, especially given the level-up bonuses allocated from Espers and the entire dual-Relic system. Not to mention all the custom builds you could run with all the different characters.

I don't know who you think you are mate, but if you actually think people were shitting on Final Fantasy III (VI) when it was released in 1994, then you are quite honestly the dumbest tool who ever stumbled across 4chan.

>>379233925
Muh nigga. I was in middle school when this came out and it was amazing. Nobody had played anything like it.

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This game shits all over FFX without even trying.

>>379231079
I see. Meh, I'll just wait for The Alliance Alive.

>>379233925
>but if you actually think people were shitting on Final Fantasy III (VI)
They were, in Japan. That's the entire fucking point of my post - they shat on it because they had ACTUAL JRPGS TO COMPARE IT TO, instead of shitty ultra-generic JRPGs like Lufia 1. Who cares that it wowed people who maybe experienced FF1, a couple of Dragon Quests, a terrible port of FF4, and maybe Lufia or a couple of other similar bad games? I don't.

>>379234806
have they announced an english translation yet? i really like legend of legacy and i'm totally looking forward to this game.

>>379233925
He is saying that it is considered one of the best in the west because we only got a fraction of what Japan made thus there were less localized JRPG's vying for our attention unlike native speakers.

Though overtime there have been fan translations or even remakes/ports of SNES JRPG's that weren't released in the west years later.

>>379207941
i was hoping i'd see this. thank you

>>379230767
The hate-boner for X is to intense by these meme parroting faggots that they'll say anything to get under the skin and mock X's legacy -- that being this idea that the abomination that is X-2 is better than X itself.

>>379233925
Old enough to have played VI the same year it came out.

Have all the people who hat on FFII actually played it? It's almost unanimously panned to the point where I feel most people are just spouting stuff they've heard on the internet

FFII does a number of things well, namely debuffs, dungeons being a fairly big step up from FFI's, and the rotating party member adds a nice touch of variety. And the combat system isn't nearly as bad as everyone goes on about. Is it easily exploited? Sure. But if you don't exploit it it's totally serviceable

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>>379210371
>>379210419
Its hard to choose between Xtreme or 3's combat system, I'd probaly side just a bit more to Xtreme's because that combination part of the system was just so fucking sweet.

>That feeling of hype when I unlock Siren Slash with Brandol and Myam in the middle of a boss fight

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>>379234901
No.
I hope it will but it didn't exactly sell well, especially considering it came out around the same time as Stella Glow and several non-FuRyu-made Atlus games that took the spotlight for 3DS JRPGs.
Glad to see at least one other person here liked Legend of Legacy though, I love it so much.

>>379235315
I finished it twice just to make sure my opinion on it wasn't tainted by my expectations. Still hated it. It has a major problem with a lack of structure because it's really obvious they didn't have an idea of how powerful you were going to be for any given area and the balance is fucking shit to the point where you're wasting your time with half of the equipment and spells in the game. SaGa 1 was a huge improvement over it.

>>379235447
Mark Hamill AND Dean Cain?

Fuck son, this is some baller shit right here.

Final Fantasy VIII

>>379235610
>Aura
>Haste
>Limit Break
>Limit Break
>Limit Break
>Limit Break
>Limit Break
Pretty good senpai.

>>379215245
Judgement ring is the shit.

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>>379207861
Shadow Hearts: From the New World.

>>379227282
Disgaea 5.

>>379235471
Personally I am going to check it out. Going to play more of the demo to get more of a feel for it. Had an interest in it due to its natural growth mechanics which I usually do dig. I don't mind if it isn't as complex as some of the other SaGa games unlike some of those fans since I love Final Fantasy Legend II as well so I do enjoy other games that still do their own unique thing.

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Why was the PS2 such a haven for JRPGs? Will we ever see a renaissance of a library of JRPGs that big?

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>>379207861

>Ctrl+f eternal
>no Eternal Sonata

Literally what the fuck

>>379209819
What's the difference in weebshit and idolshit. I may like both.

>>379212029
Not even sort of true it wipes the floor with pretty much every rpg

>>379235979
Personally I think that was the PS1 seeing so many takes on character growth mechanics, customization, and battle mechanics. Not saying the PS2 games weren't great, just that the PS1 era the genre really branched out.

>>379235979
The PS2 was the death of JRPGs though, SNES and PSX was the golden age.

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It really kills me. The combat system in BoFIV is such a great system but the game rarely provides enough of a challenge for it's real potential to shine. Still a great combat system and my personal favorite, combos are extremely satisfying to pull off.

>>379236107
That's the PS3. What PS3 JRPG's grabbed people? There was one on the Wii, Xenoblade, that is about all I can recall.

>>379235860
Check out TAA or TLoL?
TLoL has a very obtuse plot, one that pretty much isn't even there if you aren't writing down the bits and pieces you could get from the Whispering Stones. It is mildly interesting but not a focus.
There are no tutorials beyond the "select a battle formation" one. You have to find everything out on your own.
The difficulty starts out easy enough, but jacks massively after the first Ruins area.
NG+ only carries over certain items, the most valuable/rare ones.
The battle system revolves around controlling the atmosphere of the field.
Progress can be difficult to figure out for a new player, e.g. the Bottomless Pit.

Does that sound interesting to you? I sure enjoyed it.

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>>379236193
This was the best JRPG of the 7th gen.

>>379235979
because traditional jrpgs are considered retro now.
turn based rpgs only work today if it's fast like p5. action rpg is naturally the way it's supposed to be now...

>>379236192
i keep seeing you a lot. maybe i should come back to this. i've played this first but my ps1 copy kept getting broken back then. i've only finished 3 though but i preferred iv to be honest. v i don't get.

>>379236257
>>379236291
So enough to count on a single hand? Not even comparable to the PS2.

>>379235315
>dungeons being a fairly big step up from FFI's
The dungeons are one of the worst parts about the game though. Basically you don't want to explore at all, ever. Ignore every door, because it's just going to be a trap room with more boring battles and nothing worthwhile. On that note, the world map also heavily punishes exploration, you will run into enemies you can't handle and you will die.

>>379236107
Hell no, PS2 had heavy hitters coming out at least once a year and a ton of mediocre titles. PS3 generation didn't even have that.

>>379208159
>try demo
>try to play it like a normal RPG at first
>standard encounters are a slog
>start abusing the brave/default system
>battles are ridiculously easy and are won almost almost solely through brave/default

>>379236450
Sorry, I don't mean to come off as annoying, it's just we have been having a lot of jrpg focused threads and I love BoFIV.

IV is a really great game though.Maybe just emulate if you can't get a copy. If you want to buy it it is on PSN and if you want a ps1 copy it is much cheaper then most ps1 jrpgs.

>>379236193
They were already dead by the time the PS3 came out. PS2 weeded out all of the developers who couldn't find a niche and punished any developer who tried to do something new. Development costs got too high.

>>379236480
Why'd ye reply to me lad, I wasn't talking about the PS2 at all.

>>379236648
it's alright man. i've been really wanting to play this again. i was like 10 or 11 the last time i played this.
i had very bad luck playing games before where either my copy is broken or my console gets busted. chrono cross is one of my favorite in that gen but i just couldn't finish it due to technical difficulties even when emulating it.

>>379233925
>especially given the level-up bonuses allocated from Espers
You mean the level up bonuses that are horribly balanced because stats in FFVI aren't balanced and magic blows physical out of the water unless you are grinding?

>>379208108
Patrician taste.

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I'm not here to fight, I just want to post an underrated gem.

>>379231495
>>379232846
My brethren.

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>>379208159
This. Bravely default is probably the only turn-based rpg where I didn't get annoyed with random encounters. The battles are actually pretty comfy.
Too bad the game is also really easy to break, but is there any FF game that isn't really easy to break?

>>379238187
Doesn't this have horrible voice acting or some shit?

>>379207861
Grandia's

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>>379212726
>Oh boy Lunar for the DS? this game must be the shit
It was just shit

>>379238671
Yes, it's positively dreadful and killed the game's reception.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zygDzAkothQ

Ironically, the JP cast is amazingly star studded. Akira Ishida, Nakmura Yuuichi, Emiri Kato, Haruka Tomatsu, Mitsuki Saiga, Takehito Koyasu, just to name a few.

>>379238203
>but is there any FF game that isn't really easy to break?
No, but if these games weren't able to be broken they'd be boring honestly. Trying out different combinations of classes is fun as fuck in a jrpg.

>>379238671
There's an undub iso so everything works out.

>>379239242
Not true. It's way more fun to struggle against a game like late Wizardry or whatever because you can't just roll over everything with no effort because you exploited something broken.

>>379211935
I tried to like Origins, but every time I gave it a shot, I kept wondering why I wasn't just playing Eternal wings instead. :/

>>379211028
I ran a vampire/arcanist. Carried over to ng+ and at level 2 i was doing 7k damage. I stopped caring about ng+ then. I reset my levels so it wouldnt be broken, but i guess i was wrong.

>>379238187
Was the wii secretly the best jrpg machine of last gen?

>>379207861
That battle system was too good for that game. If only that fucking Tidus faggot and that fucking retarded Seymour never existed, the game could had been great.

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>>379217427

This is the WORST Jrpg EVER made. Period.

Where does one start with SaGa

I played FF Legends as a kid and liked it, but that's it

>>379236107
>SNES

>>379242315
Concur, I went in expecting good standard turn-based killan and waifuan, got dicked by a clusterfuck game.

>>379242315
>>379242796
>Unlimited still the ultimate casual filter
Glorious as always.

>>379227251
Just play them. 2 is probably the best example, though, to study.

>>379242579
Frontier SaGa and play as Asellus

>>379210172
>Smirk
>at all
>ever
SMT4 babbies pls go

>>379208108
Welp, came to post this

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Name ONE JRPG that has an actual good turn based battle system and that you aren't just pretending you like to boost your weeb cred

>>379243048
Last Remnant

>>379210882
i remember dating chicks on this game at age 9 and thinking i was a bad ass

>>379207861
Menu based combat is pure garbage.

>>379242315
I think its main problem was that the game's mechanics and rules weren't explained very well by the game or its manual. Having said that, the director seemed to be trying to go in a different direction with RPGs and go back to emulating tabletop games. Pretty cool game, but it's a lot more difficult to get into than it should be.

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>>379208108
This.

>>379207941
>Tries to use potion.
>Boss attacks 3 times because of bullshit.

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Here's an unpopular opinion.

In terms of battle systems, this one was very much like FF10, but better as all your attacks, abilities and commands had a more direct influence on the turn-order.

You could knock enemies back, negate their turns, advance your own, swap out characters on the fly for desired combination-effects and so on.

The reason I rank it over FF10's system is because the turn-order wasn't just something passively showing you when who was going to act where but an integral part of battle which was as much a mechanic in combat as the others.

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>>379209553

>>379243212
This. It's like going to a restaurant, not ordering anything, but just sitting there reading a menu for two hours.
Inb4 food analogy

>>379243512
Kind of sounds like how the Trails of Coldsteel games play, and I really enjoy that combat system. I would say that it was just a little behind Grandia's combat system because I really love how the the "ATB" system was mixed with being able to delay and interrupt enemy turns as well as the option to position yourself. Being able to move in order to make an enemy waste its turn trying to move into position for an attack is strangely satisfying.

>>379242579
SaGa Frontier for sure, or if you want a more refined Final Fantasy Legend I then play FFLII. SaGa Frontier retains races from the Gameboy games while having seven different stories along with the world being much more free to explore.
>>379242315
I've played worse. Unlimited Saga is alright, though its art direction from music to styling tends to lull me to sleep. Needs more vivid colors and more passionate Ito music.

>>379243512
TIME CARDS were the best part of the combat system in this game holy shit.

>>379244010

I will never argue against Grandia's combat system being amazing. Beating your enemy up and down that little meter was always fun, and landing that non-combo (I forget the actual name) right before an enemy was about to act was such a good feeling.

MK is a more traditional turn-based affair, but with a strong focus on manipulating the actual turns.

Did you every play HoMM3/5? I especially remember HoMM5 being very focused on turn-manipulation and I think that was what sparked an interest in this type of thing for me.

Also, you're making me want to try Cold Steel.

>>379244182

I know, right? I don't understand why this system isn't copied more often.

>>379242315
What jrpgs are worse than this?

Asking for a friend.

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>>379207861

>>379243512
Mana Khemia's battle system is stellar. Basically Grandia 2's but better. I honestly can't think of a better system in a turn based rpg.

>>379242315
was romancing actually better?

>>379244323
Beyond the Beyond

Ephemeral Phantasia

Tales of the Tempest????

>>379244428
Massively.

>>379208108
third post best post

>>379244323
Children of Mana

>>379242315
shit game desu

but like fuck if I can't appreciate dat soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTj4n0L9Uh0

>>379244117
Unlimited has the best SaGa OST though.

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>>379244428
Holy shit romancing is fucking amazing.

It's 8 adventures in one package like kirby super star.

>>379244428
Radically different mechanics.

>>379243512
Fucking loved Mana Khemia, the battle system really was like FFX but better. Never got a chance to play the sequels though, only the PSP port of the first game.

>>379244601
It has a few good battle songs and Solitude, but I like Kenji Ito's work and Uematsu as well.

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>>379243512

Dude, I fucking loved Mana Khemia. I actually played it on the psp, which I heard was slower than the console (?), but I still loved it. Combat was cool as fuck, side quests were fun, and I liked most of the characters.

Reminds me that I should see about playing the second game sometime, and maybe replaying this one even.

>>379244323
Golden Sun (not garbage but painfully dull)
Quest 64
Beyond the Beyond
Secret of the Stars
Lunar: Dragon Song


And for those that really hate themself, Hoshi wo Miru Hito. I hate to sound like I'm exaggerating but this is one of the worst games ever made. The first town ia invisible, the first weapon you get lowers your attack (you can't unequip it either), and most enemies you first encounter can kill you in one to two hits. This the very beginning of the game.

>>379244323
Everything here >>379244431
plus Secret of the Stars and a bunch of shitty JP-only JRPGs.

>>379207861
Mana Khemia does the same thing but with team combos, persistent attacks, and way more battle order manipulation.

>>379244381

I still consider it one of the greatest JRPGs of that gen (but I'm also a huge weeb so I'm probably biased). The only weakness of that game was the voice acting which you could luckily switch to moon anyway.

Still an amazing combat system.

>>379236193

The one that came out two months ago.

>>379244742
>Quest 64
I'm ashamed of playing this shit so much as a kid. At least I got Grandia instead of FF7, infinitely thankful for that swap.

>>379245118
It's okay, as kids we all played our fair share of shovelware.

>>379245118
Quest 64 really isn't that bad. Maybe not great, but I would rather play it over some other RPG's like Breath of Fire II since it at least has something going for it with its natural growth system along with how putting points in elements work.

>>379244702

The sequel's better.

>>379244702
You should replay it on PS2, the PSP version is amazingly bad.

>>379245234
This goes without saying.

>>379245216
I think you're being pretty harsh. BoFII is pretty rough but it has its good qualities, quest 64 is just empty, unbalanced, and uninteresting.

>>379245427
I actually had something to look forward to in Quest 64 with allocating spells and see what new ones I unlocked through the various elements I had and how they worked in battle. Much more engaging than what ever happens in Breath of Fire II.

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>>379207861
Persona 5 is pretty great

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>>379244323
This game, fucking awful mix of srpg with card battling/monster summoning and not in a good way.

>>379245535
If you haven't played them I recommend BoFIII and BoFIV, they're much better then BoFII. To skip those would be doing yourself a disservice.

>>379245579
is p5 turn system locked?
i liked ffx and grandia ii where you could cause delays in turns.

>>379244742
>tfw played GS2 before playing GS1
Golden Sun is ok but goddamn 2 improves on it so much. Still a lot of dialogue so people without attention spans can't play it, but the puzzles, world, and pretty much everything are so much better.