She needs to be nerfed into the fucking ground

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>>379193079
>i hate looking up!
>i hate having to shot character who are not at ground level!

kk

The speed of her rockets need to be reduced.

>>379193079
It's true she's very strong in the current meta especially in lower leagues, but she'd become 100% useless in higher levels where players can actually aim if she gets nerfed.

Just count her rockets and wait for the reload and shoot her, her movement is really predictable. I'm not saying you'll always win against her but about half the times you fight her you'll win, she's pretty balanced. Dunno about her pro pick rates but it's not like you're a pro

She is easy to deal with as Soldier, but that's the problem, he is the only one that can reliably kill her. McCree is good too but only on maps where Pharah can't outrange his fall off.

If your enemies don't have soldier, pick Pharah and just hover around never taking damage while shooting at people's feet to kill them. She is incredibly easy to play as, especially after they buffed her splash damage and hover strength

>>379193079
my dude, you're terrible at videogames
and this is coming from someone who's really bad himself, so apply yourself

She is one of the few characters that is 100% balanced, the others being Tracer and Zenyatta.

>>379193079
That's fucking retarded.
Have you ever consider getting gud?

>>379193079
>silver rank JUSTICE RAINS FROM ABOVE
>QUADRUPLE KILL!

>gold rank JUSTICE RA...........
>get blow away mid ult by entire other team.

Git gud kid

>>379193465
Also oftentimes all you have to do is land a few shots to force her into hiding and she'll be playing much more passively. If she's spamming rockets from long range she won't do anything, she's only a threat when she's aggressively harassing.

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>>379193079
>complaining about Pharah
If you were in TF2 you'd know what really is an overpowered highly mobile class with spam/zone damage.

>>379193418
This mostly

She genji and Anna have the fewest characters who can viably best them

If Winston weren't so common now genji would be just as broken

Even so the point is only hit scan characters can deal with her

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>>379193465
she has some usage in pro matches, but exclusively with a mercy planted firmly up her ass

>>379193512
If she's that far off from the action at best she will be an annoyance, she's only a threat from mid range

>>379193079
Did I kill you repeatedly a few minutes ago?

>>379193618
Justice could use a nap

>>379193760
depends on the map, there are too many enclosed spaces so she can just spam into them while staying a mile away

>>379193079
nerf this

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>>379193079
Leave her alone.

>>379193821
Maybe. But that's very situational and Widow absolutely rapes her at long range anyway

>>379193747
>Mercy up Pharah's ass

And all is right in the world.

>>379193928
but everybody else rapes widow so that's a moot point

I don't necessarily think Pharah is OP, she is just incredibly annoying the way she forces you to switch to Soldier, especially if she got a Mercy constantly rimming her butthole. I don't want to play another fucking game of Soldier, he's boring.

>>379193928
Never really have a problem with widow..

Pharah is meant to infiltrate to kill from behind like genji or tracer. But people seem to think flying through the open right to enemies is viable.

>>379194292
that's the way you typically need to play if they have a widow, but it's only good against bad players honestly. by spending time flanking as pharah you're wasting a lot of time. if they don't have a good widow you're a lot more effective constantly bombarding them together with your team.

Mercy is the real problem. Her glide needs to have a limit to it so that she can't literally stay airborne on Pharah forever or her ability to fly to teammates needs an actual cooldown, maybe both

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>>379193079

>OMG NERF _____ NOW!

I hate overwatch fans so fucking much. get good pleb

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>Pick Soldier
>Blast both her and Mercy out of the skies

It's not hard

>>379194478
but then mercy mains complain that they die, and if a mercy ever dies then it's a travesty and blizz needs to buff the everloving shit outta her self heal and ult.

seriously why the fuck do mercy players whine so much about her, zenyatta is way more vulnerable than her yet they never complain about being killed. pull out your fucking gun and defend yourself instead of being a pussy

>>379194591
if the pharah and mercy are somewhat competent it actually is. you won't kill the mercy before eating a pharah rocket to the face

>>379193079
>most easily countered hero in the game
>can't do shit if there's a Soldier: 76
>can't do shit if there's a Widowmaker
>can't do shit if there's a Hanzo
>can't do shit if there's a McCree
>can't do shit if there's a Torbjorn
>needs to be nerfed

Get good you complete faggot.

>>379194587
I wanna nerf her womb with my semen.

>>379194869
soldier can kill a pharah before she kills him even if she is healed by mercy. just tap fire on her head. his damage output is stupidly broken

>>379194587
>2480x3508
>3.81 mb

the wonders of jpg

>>379194591
This doesn't happen. You can't get the damage off on both to stop the Pharah before she targets you and shuts you down. Not unless they're both total shit or you're ulting.

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Put Pharas jetpack duration back to pre-buff. Make her jetpack actually make noise while hovering and she is fine.

The problem with Phara is that she is completely anti-fun and only has 2 soft counters and 1 hard counter that 99% of the playerbase suck at playing. If she actually had to land again then heroes that are non-hitscan would actually have a chance at killing her.

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>Gets 3 shot by McCree faster than her rockets can travel if she's nowhere near cover (eg the fucking sky)
>Around the same for Soldier, faster if you include a Helix Rocket shot
>Cant 2 shot a soldier if he presses E
>Nullified by D.Va
>Abused by Winston
>Barriers from Orisia and Rein require constant flanking to do something other than hit the shield
>Gets focused by Ana 9 times out of 10
>Widow exists
>Hanzo exists
>Bastion Exists
>Torb can put down a Level 2 turret and it NEEDS to be destroyed otherwise you cant fight without being harassed constantly
>Genji can reflect the entirety of her ult
>Ult projectiles are slow
>Always at threat of getting reflected, nullified by D.Va or just shut down by a Zen with a Discord Orb before the damage to kill Zen can be put out
>Constantly requires a healer, as a main carry Lucio is out of the picture in terms of team composition.

You're fucking stupid.

>>379195019
are you fucking retarded

>>379195246
no I'm just good at the game

Pharah + Mercy in literally every game I play. She's not overpowered but she is annoying as fuck, arguably more annoying than Genji.

>>379195019
If you have the aim to do that you're playing above the level of almost everybody. Or the Pharah is shit and barely moving.

>>379193079
Got outplayed by a pharah, huh? I hate when she juggles me into a corner and gives me an unwanted bellend piercing too.

>>379193747
Why is symm so low? Isn't her ultimate very useful?

>>379195184
>2 soft counters and 1 hard counter

What is:
Ana
D.Va
Winston
Soldier 76
McCree
Genji
Bastion

>>379195019
you simply cannot tap fire a pharah w/ mercy healing down fast enough without eating two rockets. you do remember that S76's damage was nerfed right?

>>379195295
Post rank.

>>379195184
Nonsense. You just need to communicate with your team to take down a Pharmercy combo easily.

>>379195439

So shoot the fucking Mercy first you idiot?

>>379195325
I play a lot of Soldier in comp precicely because of pharmercy and she goes down fast enough. If the Pharah is smart at staying by cover then you can at least take advantage of the fact that Mercy is pocketing Pharah instead of healing her team.

I'm not able to solo them every engagement but I have my own team to heal me or provide cover if the Pharah player isn't bad.

Either way, I still hate Pharmercy, I feel like I have to put in way more effort to kill them than they need to kill anyone. I want to practice Widowmaker for the sole purpose of shutting them down.

That isn't Symmetra.

>>379195758
Symmetra is shut down too hard by Winston+Pharah to viably nerf her, but yes she is completely obnoxious to deal with otherwise

>>379195405
Dive comps counter the fuck out of Symmetra.

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>>379193079
pic unrelated?

>>379195843
Pharah can be stopped by D.Va, Soldier, Bastion, McCree, other Pharahs. I think Austima is more broken.

>>379195659
This is what happens when you play even halfway competent players:
>shoot the mercy
>they either move out of your LOS or the Pharah instantly locks to you and kills you
They're not gonna move predictably unless they're low levels, which is to say shit. Take it from a Pharah main, Soldier is not a threat if I have a Mercy pocketed.

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Pharah is completely outclassed by every other DPS, if you honestly think she's strong you're fucking braindamaged and need to learn how to play.

To make her actually viable at a level of play that isnt straight garbage (GM/Top500/Pro) in comparison to McCree, Genji or Soldier she just needs the ability to get to the ground faster, Hover is taking up two keys for literally no reason and could be replaced with it.

>>379195405
Nah not really. Not enough to justify playing her in favor of a different support, anyway. Heals > No Heals

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>>379195981
Pharah isn't stopped by them, only if playing recklessly. Symmetra is completely cockblocked by WInston and Pharah.

If they have a Symmetra then they probably aren't going to have D.Va+Soldier+Bastion+McCree

>>379193546
Zenyatta may be more vulnerable due to his lack of mobility, but his killing power more than makes up for it. Good Zenyattas can be scary to face, good Mercys run away just as fast as bad Mercys.

>complaining about Pharah of all characters

Depending on the map either pick Soldier/McCree/Widow, hell even Bastion can work. If Mercy is making sideways clam chowder with her in the sky you need to kill Mercy first. Fucking hell even Roadhog can pull Mercy down if they are descending, his hook is fucking 20m long.

>>379195417

Ana is too busy healing people being blown up by Phara. Also her damage per second is == to Mercys healing per second if they are doing Pharmercy.

D.va can fly into Phara and do peashooter damage before falling back to earth again and having to matrix her rockets.

How exactly does Winston counter Phara or Pharmercy.

Soldier vs Phara is usually a fair battle except when Phara hovers above him with her near silent jetpacks.

McCree gets raped by any competent Phara player that keeps distance from his pathetic falloff.

I never play Genji so I got no comment on him.

Bastion is a good counter yes, but the rest of the enemy teams roster will put him down before he can do anything.

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>>379195659
Ana main here, I've never found dealing with solo Pharah's too difficult but add in a Mercy and it's tough. She has a very small hit-box.

I sometimes like to play Soldier if we need DPS and I find Mercy quite difficult to chip away at because she is so small. This is high gold/plat level of play so not amazing but not awful.

I think this is probably the level where the Pharmercy combo is strongest if you don't have at least two people capable of dealing with them.

>>379196014
This. It's why most comps sub a dps slot for her, as stupid as it is.

They really need to look at her again, rework the stupid shield once again and maybe make her ult affect built objects, giving 75 shields to her sentries and torb turrets

>>379196010

Have you tried coordinating with your team?

I wanna fuck pharah

>>379193747

>6 out of 24 heroes are useless

why is the Hots team the only good blizz team

Zenyatta's discord wrecks her. Plus zen can usually hit a couple shots on her which softens her up for mcree/soldier to dominate

>>379196215
do you know how cancer 6 75 health sym turrets would be?

Symmetra doesn't need to be more potent as long as she requires no skill to be played as whatsoever beyond muh positioning

>>379195757
I also play Soldier, I'll admit I'm not amazing, sitting in mid-diamond this season. A good Pharah is gonna move erratically and focus on either killing me or pushing me back so she can get some time in to attack healers. The only time I'm gonna solo them is if Zen discords. Pharah alone is no issue.

>>379196194
D.Va is for Defense Matrix use, DM will shut Pharah down for 4 seconds.

>McCree gets raped by any competent Pharah

And a competent McCree knows how to position himself. All it takes is 3 body shots to down Pharah depending on the map.

>>379193079
She's consistently been one of the most defenseless heroes for the whole game. Without a Mercy attached to her, she's paper.

>>379196256
Useless is an overstatement, but this is pro tourney play and those are always dominated by meta and what is considered the absolute strongest

There are plenty of Hanzos and Sombras in grandmaster

>>379196332
Pharah is unable to move erratically, she doesn't have a lot of horizontal movement speed while airborne. Not much vertical movement speed while her shift is on cooldown either.

>>379196415
This. Pharah is only strong when Mercy is with her, otherwise she's one of the weaker Attackers.

>>379196216
I do, but I focus on killing healers and general disruption.

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>tfw no pharah dakimakura

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>>379196075

>Reaper starts off at a shit percent and quickly drops to non existence
>"We believe he's in a good spot"

the lifesteal he's getting will be nice but that nigga needs a full remake

>>379193079
>learn to aim
>play any hitscan character
>make pharah and her pet mercy your bitches
it's not that hard

>>379196638
You don't know how much this+the Roadhog nerf can potentially make him dangerous as fuck.

>>379196584
Whats up with the ottermode male torso

>>379193747
this is pointless at the level that most people play on this board

The problem isn't phara. it's the mercy following her around making her completely invincible to any sole damage dealer. Soldier, Mcree, and widow can not kill her 2v1 without headshots
>Well then just shoot her in the head
That's not how that works you fucking faggots. There are these cool things called human reaction time and internet latency that have to be accounted for in every hitscan shot you make. In other words you have to LEAD SHOTS, which means guessing where her head is going to be half a second from now. If phara is just mindlessly holding her booster and moving in the same direction, sure, just shoot her in the head. But people don't do that, they release booster for random amounts of time, they can be holding any combination of wasd, she can be booping herself. In the meantime you are dodging rockets, getting bounced around the map by rockets, and getting your crosshair moved around every time someone else on the enemy team hits you with literally anything.

The moment pharmercy gets within range to stop missing rockets is the moment all of those "counters" flip to being awful matchups. If you get hit by two rockets, you're dead, maybe three if you have a pocket yourself KEK. There isn't anyone in the world skilled enough to change the nature of this. Even with perfect aim and top tier reaction time, you are still essentially rolling dice for every shot you make on any phara that has any amount of playtime.

>>379196482
Maybe erratic isn't the right word, but there's predictable movement that became way less predictable from my experience.

>>379196727

Believe me, I do. The rest of his abilities are still busted and have no synergy with each other though.

>>379196820
> internet latency that have to be accounted for in every hitscan shot you make. In other words you have to LEAD SHOTS

Overwatch has client side hit detection shitter

>>379193079
>character that shoots projectiles
>needs to be nerfed

Just switch to a hitscan character and look up you fucking scrub

>>379196820
If Pharah is in range to stop missing rockets then you're in range to stop missing hitscan shots. At that range fucking Sombra out DPSes her.

Get the fuck out of bronze before you post.

>>379196210
German cars aren't known for being all terrain vehicles though, the precision engineering comes from his rocket and barrier. A cheap ass old Jeep will be times stronger than an S class

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>>379193079
A decent McCree or a BRAINDEAD Soldier deals with Pharah. If it's PharMercy then just have the healer pocket the hitscan too and duel to the death. Pharah is one of those heroes that has a definite counter, fuck outta here with nerfing her.

>>379197035
Sombra can out DPS a damage buffed Pharah?

>>379196482
>plenty of hanzos and sombras
I literally have yet to see one sombra, and Hanzo is the go to troll picks.

>>379197126
It's weird.
I've seen even hanzos counter her in diamond with ease.

>mercy and pharah way off map
>hack mercy
>watch her slowly drift off into oblivion
I love playing Sombra but doing solid damage is such a fickle thing. Some games I'm all gold with 50 elims. Some games I struggle to get a single kill.

>>379196584
Did Kaplan really confirm she has abs.

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>>379197218
I agree.

I've been playing with a GM Hanzo main and he outright shits on Pharahs. Hanzo might be cancerous but you gotta respect those at the higher ranks who're good with him.

>>379197503
>enemy team has two decent healers
>also the enemy team sticks together, rarely splits up
welp time to stop playing sombra I guess as she is now incapable of doing anything but hacking healthpacks you team will either ignore or die before they can get to

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>>379196194
An actual Ana player, granted you arent low elo, can heal and attack at the same time without missing any real healing opportunity.

D.Va does like 15/20 a shot out of Pharahs 200, minus the fact that she will suicide into you and make your direct deal splash damage and the fact that her charge does damage. If she cant kill you? She'll matrix and do it again once her cooldown is back and repeat.

Winston is the same reason as D.Va except that his barrier can be broken only after the entire clip of rockets, plus he does more damage.

Wrong, Soldier can take down Pharah before her rockets can actually travel to him. If she's closer, its easier for him to win when you count Helix rocket. It also takes even longer for Pharah to kill due to Helix Field healing half a shot back, requiring 3 directs to kill.

If you want to be in range to hit a direct, then you need to be in range for McCree to hit you back. Its 3 shots to kill you, and he can hit you 3 times before a direct can travel.

Your other two are nonsense. Stop thinking that Pharah = Pharahmercy, thats fucking stupid. A character that REQUIRES a pocket healer to be competent is a bad character. You need to actually think about Character vs Character played at the very pinnacle of performance, and you'll come to realize that Pharah is underpowered, I know thats hard since people at your elo are braindamaged.

t. 265th Best Ranked Pharah World.

>>379197216
really? from what I've seen there are a million shitty hanzos in the bronze-gold area, then they disappear for the most part in diamond, and in upper masters/gm there are quite a few because those are the ones that actually learned how to play him.

He's still a minority but not useless in the right hands

If you complain about Pharah, you are legitimately bad at Overwatch.

>>379196668
>I can aim well
>Oh boy she's staying well outside the McCree fall off range, guess he can't do shit
>Oh no Widow can't exist without being harassed by a flanker to death, guess she can't do shit
>I guess I have to play S76, but oh no his damage can't take out either the mercy or pharah before they duck behind cover for a quick top off before popping back up and destroying half your team

>>379197503
Sombra does a shit-ton of damage, the catch is you need to be within hacking distance (15 meters) because it falls off a cliff after that.

160 DPS within 15 meters, 48 DPS beyond 25 meters. She probably has one of the worst damage falloffs in the game, if not the absolute worst, and that's not even counting her spread.

Every time I see a nerf pharah suggestion the first thing that gets brought up is fucking mercy pocketing her. No shit she's going to be annoying, just like mercy pocketing soldier is annoying. There are more important things, like fixing sombras hitbox lingering after using translocate

>>379193079
>nerf
>non hitscan character
>her ult is suicide
>her blast has a longass cooldown

nah

>>379193079
You just need to learn how to aim. If all these retard instalock dps mains learned how to aim pharmercy wouldnt be a problem.

>>379197503
sombra does okay damage if you track really well. but there is also spread rng sadly, sometimes you hit a million headshots randomly and get a fast kill.

Her EMP is powerful but not any better than Soldier's raw damage output, sadly. It's kinda funny, I put in a shitload of effort as Sombra and we might just barely make it, then I switch to Soldier and put in half the effort and the match becomes a breeze. I hate that fuckhead.

>>379196973
Try playing hitscan on 200 ping then get back to me on how that works

>>379197035
Getting hitscan shots isn't the problem. Its hitting them in the head, which only gets harder the closer they are. They are gong to be right above you don't hit at least one you have no chance of winning.

>>379196820
>which means guessing where her head is going to be half a second from now
A full half second? Where do you live with that much latency, Somalia? Visual reaction time for an average young adult male is about 150ms, so you're saying you play with 350ms consistently?

>>379193512
Widow's good too and a bunch of other heroes can assist in various ways.

>>379198117
Widow is good but Winston is too strong and popular now for Widow to ever be a safe pick

>wwaaaaaaaah pharmercy is SO hard
Let's look at this logically
>pharmercy is two characters
>that means the rest of their team isn't getting healed by mercy
>it's 6 vs 6
>just get two dps to shoot at them
>hitscan destroys pharah, obliterates mercy
>pharah can only shoot at one of them, mercy can't do a damn thing
>literally just team up and shoot the mercy and then shoot the pharah
WOW IT'S SO HARD

>>379197883

>If a pharah is so far from the action she's outside mcree's fall off, she's accomplishing nothing other than turning the game into a 6v5 in your favor.
>no see it not countr cuz of this additional factor and there no othr possibility of any other scenario none nope no way
>if a pharmercy combo is constantly dipping and diving for healing, they're accomplishing nothing other than turning the game into a 6v4 in your favor.

>>379198085
If you are McCree you only need 3 shots to down Pharah, the closer she is the McCree the more she is at risk. Same can be said for Mercy, they aren't always going to be concentrating on you, flank, position yourself.

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>>379193079
>Pick Mei
>Use Icicle Shots
>Pick Widowmaker or Mcree
>Have not shit aim
>Pick 76, Tracer, Sombra or Ana
>?????

>>379198436
>hey aren't always going to be concentrating on you
If you are the only one that can take her out of the sky they will be. Have you tried getting out of gold? I have seen pharmercy take flanking routes a full minute long just to get to my perches as widow.

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>>379193079
git gud
maybe buy a mouse

>>379198670

I know I'll get shit for this, but I quite like torbjorn for dealing with her too. She has to prioritise the turret when popping out of cover so it's a distraction for her and an early warning system for your team.

>>379198429
>let me just pretend that mcree's fall off isn't shorter range than pharah's effective range so I have a retort
>let me pretend this game isn't always 6v6 and that flankers aren't always a threat so I have a retort
>let me pretend that topping off pharah takes more than a second and that mercy doesn't always regen some health so I have a retort

The real problem with Pharah is that if you're on defense, your team did NOT go with Soldier or McCree and they have Pharmercy then you've practically lost the first point already. I'm tired of hearing "we need a hitscan" in voice chat before it's even started just because this one character exists.

>>379198979

Oh shit, is that you win arguments now, let me try

>let me pretend pharah is a credible threat to anyone that can aim

>>379199080
If you're on defence, you should always have a hitscan anyway.
Really goes for any mode.
Of course your team is gonna have issues if it's unbalanced.

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>>379197701

Pharah is annoying but you're totally right.

>>379199249
again, the only single reason you need hitscan is because of pharah alone

>Pharah is overpowered because she requires Mercy to be any sort of relevant or useful

What?

>>379193306
The problem is that the vast majority of the OW cast can't even fight Pharah because she never has to touch the ground.

>>379199080

>Ana
>Bastion
>Dva
>Genji
>Hanzo
>McCree
>Mei
>Soldier
>Widow
>Zen

If you don't have at least one of these characters on your team, what the fuck are you even doing? All of them either straight up counter Pharah or have an even shot at killing her.

>>379199432
Out of those the only ones that actually counter her are Soldier, Widow and McCree. And nobody wants a Widow on their team. Any good Pharah counters the rest.

Ana used to be kind of her counter when she 3-shot her but now she wastes too much time trying to kill her while her team needs healing.

>>379198913
Torb isn't a bad answer when paired with an orisa standing on top of the turret

>>379199556

Zen fucking destroys her with discord and the fact that his projectiles don't take 3 weeks to land. Pharah can't even touch dva.

>>379199556
>t. never played pharah in his fucking life
Dude, you suck. Get over it.

>>379199432
>Ana shouldn't be focused on hitting a Pharah over healing
>lol Bastion, is this silver?
>Dva can eat some of her shots but has absolutely no way of killing her
>Genji can't outdamage a mercy if they go Pharmercy
>Hanzo has to actually be good, which 99.9% of Hanzo's aren't
>McCree's damage fall off makes him useless vs Pharmercy unless you have the goddest-tier of aim.
>lol Mei, seriously?
>76 is the a solf counter to pharmercy, but only with team support
>Widow has to be really good to consistently get a pick before the pharah targets her
>Zen? I mean sure discord helps but the same can be said for any character who gets discorded.

Characters that I want to be dumsptered:
>Tracer
>S76
>Genji
>Widowmaker
>Pharah
>Symmetra, possibly

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>>379194950
Same.

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>>379196584
She needs a summer skin where she shows her midriff

I've seen threads saying the retarded walking robot horse pussy needs nerfs.

This board is lower than bronze.

>>379199903
Play her a lot whenever they got Symmetra, she is pretty easy to play. If they got a Soldier also just stay with your team or look for an opportunity to drop him.

I don't struggle much fighting her either, my argument was that she alone makes having a hitscan basically necessary.

>>379199759
A good Zen deals with her, but at the same time a good Pharah has an easy time dealing with him since he has no mobility whatsoever. D.Va also is only a bother against Pharah because of defense matrix, but not any more that d.matrix is annoying for every other hero in the game. Damage wise D.Va has no range whatsoever to do anything but contribute with 25% of the damage on a hopefully dead Pharah.

Zen's biggest use against Pharah is discording her so Soldier or McCree kills her even easier, same with how D.Va's best utility against Pharah is defense matrixing her rockets while Soldier pops her head.

Pharah isn't broken, especially not as long as Soldier exists

>>379200269
they'll never make a pharah skin with no armor, since her hitbox is based around her having it

>>379197216
I've played in GM/Top 500 and there are a few god hanzos that can demolish the enemy team. honestly this is my #1 gripe with muh esports. redditors always follow tiers

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>>379200269
Fuck no.
I'd end up licking my monitor everytime I play the game.

To anyone bitching about Pharah, just look at the high level play statistics. You're objectively wrong.

GET.
GOOD.

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>Pharah needs to be nerfed because when a mercy's up her ass people at low ranks can't aim well enough to do enough damage to kill her
Literally git fucking gud.
It's hilarious to see how "nerf pharah" has replaced "buff winston" as the biggest indicator that someone is shit at the game. Especially since Pharah's at best the 4th best DPS in the game. Behind S76/Roadhog/Genji and with Tracer/McCree right with her competing for that 4th place.

>>379200469
>womb tattoo

so fucking hot I can't even...

>>379193079

There needs to be at least two more hitscan heroes to put Pharah in her place, and considering the next hero coming up is probably Doomfist, no doubt a melee hero, I think we're screwed for a while longer.

Orisa looked like a promising counter but her weapon ended up being a projectile so lel.

>>379198721
1 minute of them not doing anything is equivalent to killing them in terms of time wasted. You're saying that they had to do the time equivalent of respawning twice to even attack you as evidence that fighting them is unbalanced in their favor? Your team should have completely wiped their team in the 6v4, or 5v4 if you have to be focused on pharmercy.

>>379200616

It's all consolefags anon.

>>379200616
We can't base balance just around the top 0.01% of the player base, that's a really great way to drive players away.

>>379200767
It's gonna be a monkey

>>379196013

There is a post in this very fucking thread that proves you wrong.

Fucking anime loving cunt can't even read before typing up a heap of bullshit.

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>>379200763
They believe it increases fertility.

>>379200940
I desperately want a monkey hero and he fucking needs to have a red cap as a legendary skin along with a red tie for Winston

>she's OP!
>gets blown the fuck out by any marginally skilled hitscan, including a fucking healer that's near 100% pick

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>>379200415
light armor, exposed midrif

>>379200616
>just look at the high level play statistics

>Top 5 in winrate in every single skill bracket except Bronze and Silver

Ironically, two rankings /v/ insists you are if you lose to Pharah.

None of you actually know anything about Overwatch, do you? You just talk shit online and post nonsense about how you need to "git gud" because you don't have to prove anything.

>>379193546
>Tracer
>not OP

lol
platbaby detected

>Pharah is too strong!!11

lmao literally just
point
click
BOOM BOOM
she's fucking dead

Being in the air is a death sentence, not an advantage

She has to be more accurate than other offense heroes

She has less shots

She has less health

She's fucking trash

>>379201164
>winrate
Guess Symmetra's fucking OP right?

>>379200767
I hope Doomfist is actually a healer, just to fuck with everyone

>>379201139
>any marginally skilled hitscan
Pharah isn't OP and this thread is bullshit but you don't have to join that bullshit in an attempt to prove a point. I've played plenty of diamond/master matches where we have a Soldier 76 that can't for the life of him kill a Pharah. Meanwhile an equally skilled player would probably do really well as Pharah provided they fought "marginally skilled" soldiers.

>>379200865
>Your team should have completely wiped their team in the 6v4, or 5v4 if you have to be focused on pharmercy.
I think so too. That isn't how it always works out though.

>>379193079
Sure, babies just got their Roadhog nerfs; someone needs to be next.

>>379193079

she's too hot, brown, and female to get nerfed.

Male developers can not nerf a powerful woman of color.

for actual seriousness, do you people expect any sort of balance in blizzard games? after all this time and all their class based games? for real you actually expect class balance for really real???

>>379201393

I guess Zenyatta and Winston are bad.

Since that's apparently what a high winrate means.

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>>379201142
>>379200994
>tfw no qt arab gf

>>379201524
Because Ana was never nerfed, right?

>i cant look up
>whats a hard-counter?
>but i dont wanna have to move when a rocket flies at me!!!!!

/v/ is full of casuals nowadays

>>379193903
sauce?

>>379201490
Because Pharah have strong splash damage, she can count for several heroes considering she can injure several targets at once which is pretty dangerous when she is boosted by Mercy. So boiling it down to numbers by saying a Pharmercy combo somehow makes it a 6v4 is just stupid.

Playing support when shaves off nearly 100 damage from half of my team with every rocket is stressful as fuck.

>>379201626
Too much anon... too much

>>379201721
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=63232763

>>379201616
Winrate doesn't mean a character is good or bad, it's irrelevant because most people will switch characters if they're not working, especially at higher skill levels.

>"b-b-but they can account for that!"
Again, Symmetra is one of the highest winrates despite having a garbage pickrate, winrate is irrelevant.

>>379201657
The bitch did the same dps as Soldier 76

These same people telling others to "git gud" for complaining about Pharah are the same people who were unironically calling for Roadhog nerfs. Just "git gud" and dodge the hook, you shitters.

Of course Pharah's totally not op because "I want to fuck her!" The power of waifu fags.

>>379201808
thanks mate

>>379201657

agism

>>379196210
fat people can take alot of abuse

>>379201926
Not an argument.

>>379193079
>She needs to be nerfed into the fucking ground

Why? Explain your reasoning. Because honestly, 1 out of maybe every 10 Pharahs I encounter are ever a threat. She's a great big blue hovering "kill me" sign.

>>379201926
>he thinks Pharah is broken but original Roadhog was somehow fine
bizarre

>>379202063

Nobody cares about Bronze Pharahs that don't use cover, ass.

>>379201926
>Just "git gud" and dodge the hook, you shitters.
The people who were calling for roadhog nerfs, at least the ones who actually knew what they were talking about, were pissed at how silent his fat feet were and how crazy OP his alt-fire was.

>If anyone's firing, often even if no-one was, roadhog could quite easily get the drop on people while moving full sprint. While having 3 different ways to one-shot anyone who isn't Zarya or bigger.
>Often times you'd dodge the hook and it's meaningless because roadhog right clicked and you were at the arbitrary range for the RNG to decide you got one shot.

>>379193079
When I first played OW I really hated her because she is literally a dumbed down version of soldier.

But what will you faggot casuals complain about if pharrah was nerfed? Hanzo? Mei?

Maybe Junkrat? I doubt you gold shitters know how to deal with slow moving balls.

>>379201926
What does Pharah have that is the equivalent to solo heals, high HP, one-shot altfire, immobilization and instakill combo?

>>379202441
even pro players admitted he was broken which is why they played him all the time in tourneys.

Things you cannot fathom
>soldier 76 players still haven't slaughtered themselves

>>379202570
Why, they enjoy being the most broken hero in the game

>>379193079
Pharah doesn't need to be nerfed but she's kind of emblematic of the problem with hero design in Overwatch.


She can fly- almost indefinitely- she fires rockets with zero spread, she has a knock back, and her ult can clutch a team kill if executed right.


What flaws does she pick up from this? Uh....she's as killable as any other assault character other than Tracer, who's a bit easier to kill? Her attacks are individually powerful, but slow. So a Soldier 76 can vomit burst DPS faster?


I keep coming back to one critical flaw with overwatch: Either half the roster needs to have baked in flaws and choices, or half the roster is too flawed. How does it logically bear out that a sniper has to compete with a character who has an assault rifle that can be better damage by merit of it forgiving mistakes, and has an aim bot for their ult?

>>379202462
Something that they don't play - why nerf their favorite heroes after all.

So probably something a little less used like Tracer. Conveniently ignoring how S76 is the best DPS by far still and nanovisor is just reaper beyblade but with infinite range. Ignoring how Genji is 2nd best and impossible to completely shut down - even with Winston up his ass 24/7 - because of how insanely good dragonblade is.

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Why are overcucks so problematic?

>>379193618
> "JUSTICE R-"
> " I think justice could use a little nap"

Don't forget about sleep dart. Fareeha and mccree are easy targets because they're so immobile during their ultimates

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>>379193079

>Still playing Overwatch

Not that I have much say left, but do you all really find her that difficult to shoot? The only trouble I ever had was with a Pharmercy combo and a team that didn't coordinate accordingly.

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>>379193079
God pharah is so fucking sexy


>Tfw I'm white
>People tell me to only date within my race
>I'd betray my race if it was with someone like pharah

Read whole thread, Nobody mentions playing as Stronk, charging to 80 with 2 barrier bubbles, and steam rolling the enemy team with giant pink cock beam.

>Stronk is best.

>>379202732
My God, what the fuck kind of complaint even is this?

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>It's a Widowmaker and Hanzo on attack payload with Zenyatta as the only healer episode

>>379202278

So are you admitting that you've never even played the game? Because the higher in the ranks you get, the less and less of a threat she becomes.

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>>379203053
I unironically ship McCree and Pharah. It's especially cute since McCree used to have a crush on Pharah's mommy.

>>379203263
McCree should be shipped with SOmbra.

Cowboys love Mexican women.

HOw do you not know this?

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>>379203383
Cowboys love Egyptians, how the FUCK do you not know that? You can't even tell me otherwise since McCree canonically liked Ana. Get smart, pardner.

>>379193079
wtf are you talking about if anything she needs a slight buff to compete with hitscans.
Just give her the junkrat treatment. ie her ultimate can't fucking kill her anymore.

>>379203263

What's Mercy's problem with McCree? Is she afraid that he'll try to saddle the little filly?

...or does she want that filly for herself?

>>379203635
Prolly because he's Blackwatch and Miss Pacifist doesn't like assassinations even though she wants the Genji dick.

>>379201509
when was this nerf? i can still shit on a phara with my hook if she is in range.

>>379203635
McCree was a criminal before Reaper recruited him into Blackwatch.

>>379202570
It might have to come to me killing myself because nobody else is gonna be able to do it.

>>379203723
Go away Chu

>>379193418
She has the highest winrates in every teir except bronze

>206 / 33

What a terrible thread. Do you guys even know what makes this game great?

>>379203838
I'm sorry you hate canon.

>>379203738
Roadhog lost 30% damage and gained 35% firerate. You worst-case two shot pretty much everyone you hook before they can respond -might be able to hook/shoot/melee to one shot 200hp heroes still. I'm not sure about that actually - your alt fire won't be one shotting anyone except maybe tracer.

Changes I don't think have made it to live yet. Roadhog on the PTR still felt fine to play and is much better to play against.

>>379203775
wasnt reaper and widowmaker suppose to be evil. Why would they waste so much money on that CG trailer and just scrap the idea that there was a good guy and bad guy faction.

>>379203868
see >>379201820
and >>379196075

>>379193079
IMO
>Pharah
Pretty easy to kill with any hit scan.
>Pharamercy
Absolute cancer, good luck kid.

>>379204272
reaper was in overwatch before turning evil. go read up on lore before you post about it again please

How does Pharah feel knowing she will never, ever be as hot and sexy as her mother?

>>379193079

Thats what you imbecile dumb shit tier player faggots get for crying for a Soldier nerf.

Ana got nerfed the same way because of dick less whiners.
McCree needs to be fixed.

Of course Pharah is going to dominate.

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i'm so sick of pharah and symmetra every match

>>379193079
honestly you don't even have to be one shotting her with soldier. Shooting at her is more than enough a lot of the time just to make her move yet everybody refuses to do it

>>379204693
They are hardcore noob killers.

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Everyone still overlooking milking Pharmercy for rape beam charge.

>>379193079
She needs to attach a funnel to her ass and connect it to my mouth and shit diarrhea for hours

>>379204487
nigga the first thing they showed was tracer and winston trying to protect artifacts and widow and reaper trying to steal said artifacts for that shit. Why don't you read up on the fucking reveal trailer.

>>379204762
With 350 hp anyone can be a noob killer.

>>379204595
1. S76 is still by a wide margin the best DPS in the game even after the minor nerf he got. He's also the most consistent and easiest to learn hero in the game.
2. Ana was so strong she was literally on both teams in every game for three seasons before being nerfed. Even after the nerf she's still the best support.
3.A good McCree puts out crazy high levels of damage, more than almost anyone else. Now that his ult isn't entirely worthless he's probably gonna join S76/Genji as the primary DPS options in high skill games.
4. Pharah doesn't dominate anything. Even with a Mercy up her ass 24/7 she still needs her team to create space so she can get in without dying immediately.

Git gud faggot.

>>379203945
>implying reaper wasn't giving Mercy el reaperito

>>379199421
which characters can't aim up?

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Post more Fareeha lewd pics

>>379195149
or you're above silver
literally just aim up and avoid the slow moving projectile

>>379205042
Basically just Junkrat

>>379193747
>Lucio has been the most used hero for, now, over a year despite all his nerfs
>people still dont believe he is the reason competitive Overwatch is garbage

>>379205118
Or, you know, someone attractive.

>>379196857
> E lets you easily flank and get the drop on people, especially setting up your ultimate
> Shift gets you out of jail free, when the enemy team turns around and starts lighting your ass up, because you dropped out of nowhere with your E
Seems like solid synergy to me.

>>379205183
Yep. Exactly my point. Meanwhile that anon is like
>LITERALLY NO ONE CAN SHOOT PHARAH IF SHE'S AIRBORNE

>>379205042
Aiming up isn't the problem, ranged is. A pharah in the sky is outside of a lot of characters range to do anything more than minor chip damage

>>379204957

You git gud .

You seem to be have been one of the faggots crying for a soldier and Ana Nerf.

I have no problem with current pharah and I had no problem with Soldier or even Anna pre nerf.

It's just sickening how the way to get this game tweaked is crying and moaning in the forums for Blizzard throw you a bone and give a character a lazy Nerf just to shut faggots up

Also it's hilarious the people that had a problem with roadhog and now they broken him completely because of stupid low-level shit to your players

>>379203137
It's bad game design when there's about as many characters that can seamlessly fit any team comp and need no justification as champions that will make your team throw the game before it's even started for the mere act of picking them.

>>379205309
>Everyone but tracer moves at exactly the same speed
>Maps are designed to be a series of chokepoints
>One character has an ability that makes everyone run faster

Unless Blizzard outright remove speed boost from the game Lucio's gonna remain right around 90~100% pickrate forever.

>>379205424

**Low level shit tier players

>>379205368
Yes, because Pharah has a passive ability that makes all players on the other team completely unable to move.

>>379205368
The moment she flies up, she's a huge target. Light her up. If your team ignores her, then you're in gold or lower and you were fucked anyway.

Why do mercy mains have such attitude problems?
>ZARYA BUBBLE ME
>YOU COULD HAVE HOOKED HIM
>OMG WHY YOU PLAYING JUNKRAT

They seem to think the world revolves around them becuase of thier ult

>>379193079
>I don't want this character to be balance, I want them to be straight up bad
if you have every said this about a character in any game consider killing yourself

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>try to get better at gongi
>always vs pharah
Goddamn fuck off you terrorist whore

>>379205663
>not heeling
missed opertunity

>>379205564
As a Mercy main...yeah. I hate watching videos where Mercy mains sit there and scream "DIE ON POINT DIE ON POINT I HAVE REZ"

Like, just go in and heal them and stop trying to get play of the game.

>>379205469
Lots of characters have ways to move faster; Genji dash, DVa boost, 76's oddly unique OP ability to jog, but ya what you're saying basically is true. Especially on KotH, being able to be to the point faster is basically required.

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>>379205118
Okay.

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>>379205118
maybe people don't want to get banned

>>379205564
Partly because Mercy is so broken the entire match can revolve around her presence. Her healing isn't that amazing, but her being literally invincible when she wants to use her impossibly overpowered ultimate dominates the game and can negate the most highly skilled and co-ordinated team's attacks just by hiding in a corner and pressing one button.

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>>379205924
>Her healing isn't that amazing
unless you have a super coordinated team she can outheal everyone

>>379196194
If its not a pharmercy winston can get phara

I love targeting pharas without mercy up their ass as winston, its fun as shit

>jump up and left click at her
>if she doesnt die fall to ground and repeat

congrats u did it

>>379193079
Widowmaker main here, Pharah is becoming increasingly harder to hit simply because I have to worry about 5 different things. Though not impossible I can certainly see the rage that people get when playing against Pharahs if they're playing a hero that simply can't deal with her.

1. Pharah's own rockets and have to pay attention to dodge and weave or risk being two shot.

2.Aiming up and away from the rest of the enemy team.

3. Trying not to be an easy kill for the other 5 enemies while looking up

4. Making sure that when I do land hits on her they're headshots or I might as well be dead.

5.The usual Mercy constantly healing/damage boosting her.

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>>379206090
>if she doesnt die fall to ground and repeat
implying you'll get to jump again

>>379206087
A good Ana can outheal a mercy even without coordination, with the added bonus of defending herself

>lose interest in overwatch last year because every other week there was a new overpowered character
>hope to come back in a year after devs have balanced things
>turns out game is still hero of the week nonsense a full 13 months after launch

Maybe next year I guess

>>379206189
if phara will ult for my bubble thats fine with me

if not good luck with destroying the bubble in the 2-3 seconds it will take for winston to jump

>>379203635
She hates handsome men that only saddle up for a ONS.

>>379205368
When she's that high up she can't confirm kills and she is mega vulnerable to hitscans. A Pharah playing like that is gimping herself and basically wasting her hero pick.

>>379206302
You're treating it as if it's always going to be a 1v1 situation. How often in OW is it a 1v1, like 5% of the time? Bubbles usually don't last more than a few seconds in a team fight at best

>>379205564
>OMG WHY YOU PLAYING JUNKRAT
Stop playing junkrat you filthy piece of shit. Your character is literally the worst in the game. KYS

>>379193618

I'm gold and I usually get team kills with Phara's ult, it's absurd

>>379206445
if the phara is actually in the teamfight instead of 20 miles away then all i gotta do is jump up and gun her down once and she should either be dead or retreat

if she retreats good luck confirming any kills and eating some hitscan

>>379206116
>4. Making sure that when I do land hits on her they're headshots or I might as well be dead.
Body shotting her a few times in a row kills her through a mercy and is a lot easier than hitting headshots as long as she isn't getting cover.

Can we just get rid of speed boost?

I'll be in games with a Lucio that only speed auras.
I hate having healers purely dpsing and never heal where road hog or mei would have gold in healing.

Even after a year and people still play like it's call of duty or something because fuck I love getting games with double sniper on attack.

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>>379206510
You really stepped innit didnt you m8

>>379206648
It's nice to see someone speaking some sense.
Pharah and Winston are my two main heroes alongside Zarya and I swear most people don't know how much Winston can counter Pharah. Just generally people have no clue what to do against her, you have to play Pharah some to learn the main things that make you ineffective. It's pretty simple to do and almost every team comp can just ruin a Pharah's day with some low level coordination. There are one or two heroes who are hard countered by her like Symmetra, but that's about it really.

>>379206087
Who is ana? What is biotic grenade?

>>379206978
You know who didn't step into your shit? Literally everyone above gold. Do me a favor and KYS so you are never on my team.

>>379206252
I'm fairly certain she doesn't come close to outhealing mercy
https://www.overbuff.com/heroes/ana
https://www.overbuff.com/heroes/mercy
> 4.5k vs 6

and she might be able to protect herself in some cases but she also has zero mobility so harassers will quickly go for her
meanwhile mercy has mobility and doesn't need to fight when she can flee

>>379206302
>if not good luck with destroying the bubble in the 2-3 seconds it will take for winston to jump
what?
He has a 6 second cooldown on the jump and since he will jump at Pharah he will often land next to enemies to keep him busy

Winston might be able to kill Pharah in some cases but he's hardly a couter and more often than not he will die

Pharah has multiple counters and is easily dealt with. If anything She needs a bit more mobility to compensate

>>379207105
>be Plat
>people still fall for the heal pack trap with car bomb above trick

Holy shit I got 4 people before they stopped trying for that health pack.
4th guy was a tank who ate an ult

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>>379206978
>post yfw pharah gets nerfed and junkrat becomes a viable dps pick

>>379207105
I fluctuate between high diamond and masters. Retards always step on the traps. Hell I can get away with spawn camping with it.

Kys :^) and stay mad sweaty tryhard

>>379207339
I'll be honest, I used to run into traps all the time when I was silver and had 300 ping. I think I have hit one in the past 10 hours of playing.

pharah can pump a couple of rockets in him while he's in the air and then piss on his shield as more often than not while team mates keep him busy since that's what a shield will do

not to mention you can always go in the bubble and pop a rocket or two in his unsuspecting ass

>>379207579
t. Never on the payload. You want easy traps? Payloads or flanking routes around the payload

>>379207613
If you follow a Winston into a bubble as Pharah you are fucking dead. All he has to do is do the dance in and out, you are giving him the extra bit of damage on you he doesn't normally get between jumps. When you realise that you've made a huge mistake, he can just jump after you to finish off.

Widow should be buffed

Her escape has a ridiculously long cooldown and her mine is way too useless.

Phara is wide open in the air. A bit tricky to hit, but still wide open. A sniper, McCree, Mei, or hell even a good 76 can knock her down.
It's why she usually dies whenever she attempts an ult.

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Post your face when you hook/trap/hack/helix rocket that annoying tracer

>>379207783
more often than not he will be distracted and that's a perfect time to pump a rocket or two in him
enough to make him flee most of the times

>>379194737
Because Zenyatta's has more DPS with faster projectiles, and doesn't have any healing downtime if he is shooting. Mercy's pistol is weaker, slower, and has delay while swapping.

Zenyatta does not have the same mobility, because his defense is just killing whoever targets him.

>>379193079
>A giant target in the air that's vulnerable to more than half of the characters in the game firing snail-like projectiles need to be nerfed

See THIS is why they listen to Reddit instead.

>>379207105
They usually fall for it around corners or tight always where people try to flank, or around staircases, where the trap is harder to see.
If you place it right in the fucking open yeah people are going to shoot it.

>>379207785
Can't have high skill cap characters be viable. It will make casuals feel bad

>>379207708
>>379208083
>hurr just put it in the doorway nobody will ever think to look there

>>379208139
Yeah I remember when widow was top tier and people would not stop bitching.

>>379193079
if anything she needs either more health or some armor and have her rockets not damage herself. if junkrat can get his exsplosives to not harm him anymore then phara's shouldnt either. her exsplosives are way less chaotic.

Deleting Mei, Symmetra, Pharah, Widow and Hanzo would only improve the game.

>>379208257
t. Mad about stepping in a trap

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How do I git gud as her? I've gotten OK at tapping until my boost recharges but I can't seem to do it and aim reliably...

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>>379193079
More like she needs to be buffed.

Please for the love of god change her ultimate, its so shit most of the time and its just a huge kill me sign.

>>379208616
t. Mad about literally no one on the enemy team is retarded enough to step in a trap yet there is always a junk on my team

>>379193546
>She is one of the few characters that is 100% balanced
see >>379208652

>>379208736
If I cannot get value of junk ill simply switch to another character of grief. Main roadhog, mei, junk and bastion

>>379196584
>smoking
Groce.

>>379207987
If you are going to add in an arbitrary other teammate for Winston to be fighting, might as well add in one for him as well who will focus you as you pump rockets into winston and his bubble.
In a 1v1 Winston can generally be enough of a nuisance to chase Pharah away, that's the point.

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How to fix Pharah:
>give her 50 hp of regenerating shield
>bind it to her jetpack
This allows her to actually survive higher level play while allowing lower level players to actually fight her.

>>379207168
Ana literally has higher heals per second than Mercy. Mercy has a higher average because Ana can actually miss her heals.

I mean, come on, it's fucking obvious. Don't be dense.

>>379207168
winstons not gonna jump a phara that isnt over a teamfight thats just dumb

also dont forget that once winston jumps the cd starts right there

whenever i jump a phara its at an angle where im gonna be in the air for a second or two and by the time i land the cd practically up again

>>379207992
Honestly if only more Mercy players would just pull out their gun instead of desperately running away. I usually play DPS but I can fend off tracers and genjis most of the time on the occasion I play Mercy. Especially if my team is helping me fighting them off.

The gun really isn't that bad in close range, and flankers will be close.

>>379196194
>all this backpedaling
If you think Pharah is a problem you shouldn't be allowed to play video games.

The only way you can reliably kill her if she has a Mercy up her ass is if you have Zen discord Mercy and then focus her first.

Killing an airborne Mercy isnt the problem, its just a problem when shes constantly hovering behind Pharah, and then you end up hitting Pharah instead.

Shame no one plays Zen. He absolutely shreds the current dive comp.

>>379193079
>be a soldier
>unload a whole magazine at her
>she's half hp
>two rockets and I'm dead
>try once again but now I'm firing in a controlled bursts
>same thing happens
>pick a widow and kill her instantly
>get a 3 kills in a 10 sec
>WTF WIDOW CHANGE STOP TROLLING THIS GAME

I fucking hate this community.

>>379209776
>Shame no one plays Zen. He absolutely shreds the current dive comp.
He IS the current dive comp

>>379209820
>choosing Widow when Ana exists
You brought this upon yourself.

>>379209490
Sir I am a top 500 Mercy main and I can tell you the last thing you want to be doing is using your gun. Do EVERYTHING to avoid using your gun. Fleeing to safety or healing/damage boosting from safety is always the better option.

>>379202960
This nigga knows. Too bad most Annas are shit and immediately sleep dart as soon as it's off cooldown.

One thing a lot of people in gold/plat don't do is manage ult economy in relation to their character. After a teamfight or two, Anna has to be worried about stuff like Dragonblade and Barrage with dart instead of going for hail mary shots.

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>>379193079
No. You need to-

>>379205042
its not about "aiming up" but reaching her
The only heroes in the game that can reliably kill a pharah are Soldier, Widowmaker, Ana, Bastion and Zenyatta, if you can aim that is. The rest of the cast are just fodder to her.

>>379204906
go read the lore you dumb fuck

>>379211768
>He doesn't list McREEE
stay bronze friend

>>379202845
Playing a slow, inherently broken game causes a lot of frustration.

>>379204906
Yeah because that's the present. Reaper was the original leader of the Overwatch team and the leader of Blackwatch before his jealously of Soldier 76 caused him to fuck up immensely and cost him his life. He and Jack (Soldier 76) are presumed dead in the current story. I honestly don't know if any of the characters know who Reaper was other than Soldier 76 and Ana.

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>>379207949

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>>379205118

>>379196638
>lifesteal he's getting

pls specify

>>379206397
>what is damage falloff
>cree is shit at that range
>soldier is shit at that range
>ana does woooping 60 dmg per shot
>widow is her counter
>sombra... LOL
the only nerf she needs is the knockback on the rockets

>>379193079
I want all you pharah mains to realize when normies complain about you enough like you did to roadhog blizzard will and have always nerfed whatever it was into the ground.

>>379193079
>rocket damage is meh
>extremely easy to kill while ulting or in the air if you have a brain
>anyone that doesnt have high bullet spread can easily shoot her down because she lingers and glides slowly

nice bait retard

>>379212710
>rocket damage is meh
>kills more than half the cast in two hits
(you)

>play mid diamond level
>play flex
>see annoying pharah
>"can a healer switch with me"
>play zen
>"pharah or mercy discorded"
>kill with alt fire or hit her twice let s76 finish her

You niggas suck eggs

>Nerfing one of the weakest characters in the game
lmao @ your life

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>>379193079
>sees this slut

>>379212437
Very lewd anon
>>379212561
Reaper is going to get 20% of his damage dealt back as life as he's damaging. No more needing to kill people to get their Souls, you will gain life back as you fire.

>>379212050
McCree's damage falloff is so incredibly ridiculous after the nerf that it's impossible to reliably kill a flying pharah, especially if she has a pocket mercy, and you have to hit her +4 times in a row, which is difficult as a McCree unless your aim is godlike.
I've been master for 2 seasons now.

>>379214191
If you legitimately cannot handle a solo Pharah as McCree you need to rethink your approach to the matchup.

>>379197701
Pharah is pretty well balanced right now, not underpowered. You just need to play DivePharah to really use her toolkit effectively, any other situation you're better off with a soldier.

>>379200106
Whats it like being stuck in Gold?

>>379213072
Right, two hits on fast moving characters who can move unpredictably. The falloff on splash damage is huge for Pharah.
Babbies who complain about her are just non FPS players who have never played a game where you have to dodge projectiles before and so cry when they get 2 shotted for running in straight lines without stopping.

>>379195417
Is Right.

>>379196194
You're an idiot.

D.va fucks up Pharah (or Mercy) pretty fucking hard.

Winston is good for pushing as well.

The problem with Pharah + Mercy is that they can play at their own pace. They can hide and peak using corners or high ground. If you have heroes to dive that, it forces them to fly into the air which is where your Soldier/McCree comes in.

A single Soldier/McCree isn't going to kill a properly careful Pharah. You are going to need to coordinate with your team to kill her.

I have many hours on Pharah, used her to carry up to GM many times. A D.va and Winston can force me to switch because you can't play your game around them.

TL;DR - Get a D.va/Winston, and push push push Pharah off highground. Force her out of cover.

>>379199080
Why the fuck don't you have a hitscan on defense? It's like "You need THIS character to counter this one", half the cast counters or makes Pharah ineffective, as does basic teamplay. What she is great at is picking off targets who are separated from their team - her main strengths are her ability to attack from different angles and her burst damage.
Her DPS is actually bad compared to other attack heroes and she can't safely confirm kills on anyone who flees unlike others like Genji or Tracer - once Pharah enters a building or uses up her GTFO ability she might as well be dead.

>>379214776
>two hits on fast moving characters who can move unpredictably
Rockets are literally guaranteed at mid ranges on anyone who isn't in the middle of a dash. How shit are you at aiming?

>>379215075
What's it like being in gold where enemies don't move unpredictably? Close range is the only distance Pharah can guarantee direct hits, which is also where she is most vulnerable.

>>379203723
>Pacifist
>Has a gun that does a surprising amount of damage

???

>>379193079
go mcree

with the upcoming buff, just highnoon pharah and mercy out of the sky

>>379215180
>where enemies don't move unpredictably
You don't have to get a direct hit, just enough to bounce them to begin a juggle. After you start to hear her boosters you have 5 feet before you are in a 50/50 to not get hit at best.

>>379205183
It's less about "Who can't aim up", and more about "Who's damage output at that range will actually be able to kill Pharah being pocketed by Mercy.

So the answer to that question is McCree, Soldier, Widow. and Roadhog Hook. Those are the only characters that have a good shot at killing Pharah consistently. And even then, none of them "counter" her in the traditional sense, but are more like "The only characters that go even with her". On top of that, Pharah takes less skill to play, because everything she does is AOE. If you argue that Pharah doesn't need a nerf, you're full of shit. Any character that has no hard counter, and can't be killed by almost the entire roster is bullshit.