Shawn Layden: "We don't know why the Vita flopped!"

It's because there was no Ape Escape 4.
But also becasue they think casuals are the only ones who play games and forget about niche people.

this article has /vitagen/'s panties in a knot

>selling 5k a week in Japan
>"it's still doing well over there!"

kik

>>379168287
Well I have no need for vita because I already have GBA and PSX emulation on PSP and all interesting Vita games are cross platform. Why waste money on it.

>>379168287
Memory cards.
I haven't bought one because of how retardedly special they are.

>>379168287
>It’s hard to know exactly why
>$300 handheld after mandatory memory card purchase
>no Monster Hunter
>no price drop after the Black Friday sale in 2012 (?) brought some hype

>>379168287
the call of duty port was utter shit

if they could have delivered say a full on call of duty 4 console experience that shit would be flying off the shelves

>>379168287
>It’s hard to know exactly why
>overpriced handheld
>overpriced proprietary memory cards
>most exclusives are shitty spinoff ports of PS3/PS4 games
>most games for it are JPN shovelware animu and various otaku VN games
>only good new IPs are immediately taken by PS4 when that train got a-rollin' because they didn't sell enough
>PROPRIETARY FUCKING MEMORY CARDS
They are blind if they couldn't see why it failed

>Overpriced memory cards
>Zero first party support
>No Monster Hunter
>Garbage screen
>Zero games besides shitty Otaku novels

>>379168915
lmao you don't actually enjoy playing call of duty right? people don't actually like that piece of shit i hope

>>379169131
>being this much neckbeard

>>379169220
Yeah, wow, why doesn't he enjoy generic military shooter #4189075139087519 after the 100 entries it's gotten?

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>>379168287
>It’s hard to know exactly why,
Is this nigga for real?

>Didn't advertise the Vita AT ALL
>Make a couple of token effort first party titles at launch and then LITERALLY never again
>Gee why did it flop?
Sony are literal retards. It's a miracle they stumbled into success with the PS2 and 4

>>379169220
>earnestly enjoying call of duty
XD I bet you got a fidget spinner collection too lmao

>>379169373
It's corporate speak. He can't exactly say "yep, we fucked up. The Vita was a mistake."

>>379168287
i think i own more vita games than 3ds games pirated

Any idiot who spent any time briefly looking at the situation can understand why.
>Proprietary memory cards again but because they went balls deep in trying to keep the system secure from every angle so it wouldn't be a PSP situation again meant spending anywhere from $30 for 8GB cards to something like $60 or $70 for 32GB cards after you've already bought the system for a heavy chunk of change.
>Launch games weren't the greatest, Uncharted was really the only decent thing out of the bunch for most normal people.
>Nothing about the system or the games were advertised at all once Uncharted came out, even when Tearaway, Killzone, Gravity Rush, Freedom Wars, and Soul Sacrifice were on the horizon they decided to stick their thumb up their ass and release them all quietly to the point that Freedom Wars almost didn't even get physical copies.
>Managed to get the Call of Duty license and gave it to the idiots who made Resistance Burning Skies, so they essentially just reskinned that entire game without fixing any of the problems.
>Also didn't advertise said Call of Duty game and instead opted just for a system bundle and that was it.
>Western third parties dropped it almost immediately barring Tt Games, and games like inFamous were thrown to PS4 while Bioshock was cancelled silently, Sony didn't even bother porting MLB The Show to it despite PSP getting them all the time.
>Decided their "Big revival" was listening to idiots on their forums begging for Borderlands 2 so they got that ported while running ten times worse than even the PS3 version, not having cross-saves on launch, and it came out like a year after all the BL2 hype died along with the 2000 release.
>Rest of the library is pretty niche as it goes and if you don't like Japanese games, indies, or DRPGs you are not going to really like it.
Sony is just filled with idiots.

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>>379169510
>Sony are literal retards
They spent 30-40$ million for Ghostbusters reshoots

>>379168287
Micro SD

>>379169665
So you don't own a 3ds?
Or you have terrible tastes in games because the 3DS has a massive fun library, and the Vita's library of "good" games is mostly waifushits and ports, so for every console you own the Vita's library shrinks that much more

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>>379169873
>i dont like it so its bad

you can do better than that anon

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>>379168287
>$250 handheld at launch and didn't get a price cut like the 3DS
>Overly-expensive proprietary memory cards that are triple the amount compared to micro sd cards of the same storage
>Lack of third-party support
>Sony ditching first-party games for the vita once the PS4 came out
>90% of vita games are either PS2/PS3 ports or weeb games
>Mobile gaming nerfing both the 3DS and Vita in sales, although the 3DS did pretty well despite the nerf
>HURRR WE DON'T KNOW WHY IT FLOPPED

>>379169510
The stupidest part is how they complained about no one buying their first party games and how they wouldn't make more because of how expensive it was to make them.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/06/19/sony-playstation-tv-isn-t-successful-because-it-s-not-easy-to-explain-to-customers.aspx
>We are not making games like Killzone Mercenary, big budget Vita games anymore," he explains. "The expectation of the graphical quality and size of the world for these type of games have risen after the launch of PlayStation 4. The same thing happened with the PSP. People were so excited to be able to play PS2 graphics games on the go. After PS3 launched, expectations grew. The types of games on PSP were not as attractive."

But then they never ever advertised any of them. Like, at all. Borderlands 2 was the first time I think we saw any ads from Sony since the release of the damn system, and even when the system was coming out the advertisements were incredibly sparse. This is all on them.

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>>379168287
Shitty advertisement would be the reason it failed I mean fuck the only ads I saw for it were for remoteplay showing a baseball game, that's just garbage.

>>379169971
The vanillaware ports and the 1-2 years of initial support are literally the only reason to own a Vita. And most of the initial support got ported already. Gravity Rush, Tearaway, I think Wipeouts getting a collection game, that might have the Vita one.

Soul Sacrifice is literally the only worthwhile exclusive left on the Vita.

They failed with the marketing. The fact that people in this thread can claim there were "zero first party support" without feeling wrong only proves this. That's all that matters. The fucking PS4 sold like crazy with less games, so that should tell you something.

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>>379168287
i played my vita more this year than any of my Nintendo consoles combined

really makes you think

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>>379169873
>Why are people's preferences different.

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>>379170125
>Make too powerful of a handheld
>Try to make console scale games on it instead of handheld scale games
>The result is that the average 3DS game runs infinitely smoother than the average Vita game
How do you fuck up so fucking bad jesus Sony.

>>379170192
And the 3DS has....... Nope can't think of anything that isn't for kids and released the last 2 years

SCEA and SCEE didn't even give it a fucking chance with their pathetic attempts to make it sell. Like most other people have said, there was no advertisement for it. It was a self fulfilling prophecy because they thought handhelds didn't have a market anymore and didn't bother to try. Switch pretty much has shown that they were just fucking stupid and could have made it sell had they actually put in effort into it.

>>379170163
Yeah, I only ever saw one ad and it was this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGNxHa0bqCI It's really just confusing because you don't see the actors use the device, all they're doing is talking to the camera and shit. Still doesn't make any sense why Sony didn't name it PSP 2. Vita has no brand recognition.

>>379170325
This isn't a taste of preferences. There literally isn't enough exclusive support in the library to justify calling the Vita even passable. The "exclusives" past the year 3 mark are all masturbation material instead of video games.

>>379170192
>i dont like it so its not worthwhile

a bit more fair of a point but just because you dont like it doesnt mean its not good

see beyond your fanboyism and give things a chance

its how i----
>>379170423
>i dont like it so its bad

wew laddy

>>379170334
>b-but Nintendo
Lmao

>>379170192
Tearaway PS4 isn't really a port so much as a complete reworking from the ground up. The levels it does have from the Vita version have completely different gimmicks and areas, they're like twice as long and big, they have different paths, the entire game is double the length, the story is completely changed, and the Squeezebox is only used for about one level before it gets taken from you for the rest of the game whereas in the Vita version you took it from the lab for the rest of the game.

They're basically completely different games barring like two levels, and one of those levels has entirely different paths and puzzles compared to the Vita version.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432772

Never forget this thread LOL

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>It's still my favorite portable
-CEO of company that makes said portable

>>379170557
So its Tearaway but better in every imaginable way?
Yeah the Vita version totallllly still counts.

>>379170557
Well damn, had they actually made an effort to showcase how different it was they might have gotten more copies of the PS4 version sold. Maybe adding a 2 in the title would have been enough.

>No truly worthy system selling exclusives like Monster Hunter
>PROPRIETARY SD CARDS THAT HAVE EARLY 00s-tier SPACE WHILE COSTING AS MUCH AS THE VITA ITSELF FOR THE BIGGEST VARIANT

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>>379170631
>"Vita," which means "Life" in Latin, was chosen as the most appropriate name for the next generation portable entertainment system as it enables a revolutionary combination of rich gaming and social connectivity within a real world context. SCE is aiming to transform every aspect of user's daily life into an entertainment experience.

>>379170492
>That lack of reading comprehension and unable to understand flow of conversations

I knew you were a little poorfag kid but this is shocking.

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>>379168287
>another journalist pushing the Tablet With Game Console Mode Shares A Couple Games With Your Proper Handheld So It's Totally A Successor meme

>idk why yurop hates the vita

dirt cheap psp street followed up by the most expensive handheld of all time, plus memory card tip

>>379170831
Should've been called PS Mortem

>>379170631
Holy fuck those reactions are funny, why the fuck were they so overly excited for it

>>379169131
Say what you will about CoD (it's nowhere near as bad as modern Battlefield) but if there had been a better game, It would've sold gangbusters. If WW2 comes to the switch, it's gonna be fun to see how badly it'll rape the Vita game in sales.

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>>379170631

>>379170783
>EARLY 00s-tier SPACE
So you weren't alive then I take it?

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>>379170631
Little did they know that proprietary memory was a thing

>>379170983
Because Sony. NeoGAF is a hive of Sony-ggers.

>no systemsellers
>no Monster Hunter (see above really)
>most expensive handheld of all time
>most expensive proprietary memory cards of all time (on release, 64GB card was as expensive as Vita itself)
>games price increased by 10$ since PSP and that's not counting DLC


>>379171069
Not him 40-64GB HDDs were standard back then, I had a 40GB one so I can see where the comparison to Vita's 32/64GB cards came from.

>>379170834
I've had a 3ds and Vita since their launch year. I've regularly bought Vita games since then. I have a library of maybe 20-25 games. All of the games that were worthwhile came out in the first few years or we're ports. The Vita hasn't had a new exclusive that was anything other than token gameplay to facilitate waifupandering in literally several years.

It's funny how the Vita, whose specs were better than the PSP in every way, failed so badly, and people blame it on the rise of smartphones when the 3DS sold like hotcake.

I only got a vita because i have all of the PS+ games for it.

>>379171226
>comparing hard drives to memory cards
Do you even remember the size of a PS2 memory card and how much it costed? Or the PSP? Or even just SD cards themselves? Vita memory sticks are overpriced, but they're nowhere near "early 00 tier" and you'd only think that if you simply didn't live then or didn't buy any sticks.

>>379171357
It has nothing to do with smartphones, it's Sony's awful first party support and failure to secure good third party that killed it together with the overpriced proprietary SD cards. I wouldn't be surprised if the last one was the prime reason behind low Vita adoption rate, which in turn led most third parties to be wary of the platform.

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>>379171307
Forgot the picture

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>>379170719
It's completely different. The Vita version was meant to be for handheld audiences so the levels are smaller (Though still pretty big) and it's the only game to actually make use of the back touchscreen in a proper way. The levels and puzzles are also completely different, very little is the same. The PS4 version has completely different puzzles and expanded everything because it's aimed towards a console audience. The experiences of both is not the same in the slightest because they have so many differences with very few things being the same and those are mainly just the area progression.

If you want an example, picture related is technically the same area and yet those streamers on the Vita are just streamers while in the PS4 version you have to cross over them and manipulate the wind and do a bunch of different jumps while the Vita version requires pushing objects to jump with the back touch screen to platform across different stuff on a completely different set up map.

>>379170740
Yeah, that's really on them. You can tell the developers put a lot of time and effort into making it a different experience only to get shafted by Sony twice in a row.

>>379171494
Memory Sticks for PSP and Vita aren't like Memory Cards for PS2 you cockmuncher. They are equivalent to HDD space since you actually NEED them to download and install games, unlike PS2 which used Memory Cards only for saves.
Go choke on a bag of dicks you shiteating cumslurper.

>Release no games
>Make system download game biased
>Price gouge to all hell and back on memory
WUH WUH WHY NO ONE BUY IT?!?!

>>379171357
It's almost like the PSP sold well only because it was cheap and could emulate really well.

>and people blame it on the rise of smartphones when the 3DS sold like hotcake.
3DS was marketed towards children and neckbeard manchildren with shit like Pokemon and Animal Crossing. Vita was marketed towards muh gaymers with Killzone and Wipeout. That's why the 3DS did well. And Nintendokids buy Nintendo's shit either way.

>>379168287
I only use my PSTV to play obscure JP games that no one else on /v/ plays

My Vita hasn't left its case in a year

>>379171603
Nice that you ignore every other item I listed. I even fucking listed the PSP. You're a retard and you don't even understand the technology you're talking about.

>>379171516
It's a known fact that powerful handhelds are a meme and will never sell.
The graphics are always going to be shit compared to console and especially PC. Why would I want them to prioritize that over playability?

Most Vita games looks better than my 3DS (although hilariously, this isn't unanimous) but my 3DS usually runs games at 60fps, maybe 30, but definitely stable. Nearly every Vita game I've played drops frames and the framerate will dip.

>>379169019
Plus they barely marketed it and all marketing was just about his you can use it to play PS4 games on the go

>>379171707
>clearly mention PSP
>somehow ignored it
Yeah, you know what, get cancer and die, you're polluting the genepool with your idiocy.

>>379168287
like when I first had a go at it, it seemed pretty meh.
But now I actually own one (got it preowned & memory cards for super cheap) it's a pretty neat little thing, but one of the things that fucked it in the ass was the memory cards.
Like holy fuck, who is going to pay £100+ for a memory card?

>>379171765
Does being a retard on the internet give you some satisfaction in life?

>>379171651
>It's almost like the PSP sold well only because it was cheap and could emulate really well.
PSP launched at the same price as the Vita. Vita can emulate everything the PSP can plus more

>3DS was marketed towards children and neckbeard manchildren with shit like Pokemon and Animal Crossing. Vita was marketed towards muh gaymers with Killzone and Wipeout. That's why the 3DS did well. And Nintendokids buy Nintendo's shit either way.
>Being this butthurt at people who enjoy games
Not Nintendo's problem that the Vita has shit games.

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I love my vitas!

No seriously, I play them more than my PC or my consoles now. If I do play PS4 it's through remoteplay. Catching up on ps1 PSP and Vita games u missed has been a damn good treat the last 2 years I've been using them.

>>379171927
Holy shit that screen protector ruins it on both of them. So fucking disgusting.

too expensive, nogames. Why buy a Vita for $250 + ridiculous memory card when Nintendo just price dropped the 3DS to $180 and they've got MK7 and SM3DL?

vita autists are by far the most pitiful cunts from any fanbase i've ever seen. even undertale loving plebs do not surpass vita cucks in terms of sheer faggotry.
i'm glad it turned out to be a colossal failure.

the switch will be everything the vita should have been and then some.

>>379168287
if it didn't need a stupid fucking memory card which costs like $80 or whatever, I'd have bought one a long time ago.

>>379171927
CLEAN OUT THE AIR BUBBLES, YOU LAZY SACK OF SHIT.

>>379168287
They really needed cross play. If i could have played with my friends ps3 while im on the vita i would have bought one. Obviously that only applies to coop games and not competitive games, maybe. Just dont want to see a shadowrun situation.

>>379172171
>this jealous

lmao your tears are delicious

>>379172467
jealous of what? i have a shita. i've had one for over 4 years now. it's hacked and it's still trash.

cry more you autistic fuck.

>>379168287
They don't want to accept that proprietary memory cards fucked it.

>That said, the spirit of the Vita still lives on in a way through the Nintendo Switch. The portable / console provides a more seamless way to play games both at home and on the go. It has also become an increasingly popular destination for indie games, much as the Vita used to be.

Chuckled

It is true that the Switch is getting more VN trash ports though

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>retail stores have absolutely nothing but ports for vita games, normally no more than a 6x6 display at most in the corner of the video game section
>memory cards are damn near required and are extremely overcosted
>very few must have games. IIRC early reviews also sucked for things like the MGS port
Gee, I wonder why?

>>379172798
The Switch is literally going to be the Vita 2. Too expensive to make a handheld game on. Too underpowered for a console game. It's going to be Nintendo alone before long and the only reason it might fair slightly better is because Nintendo's strongsuit is first party games

>>379168287
This is your daily reminder that Sony are laughing at every single one of you morons that fell for hte Vita meme.

>Be Sony exec
>On more money a day than you basement dwelling NEETs earn in a year
>"Haha let's make a new handheld, it'll totally flop but at we'll see how many Sony fanboys are dumb enough to actually buy it"
>flushingmoneydownthedrainandlaughingaboutit.gif
>Vita release day
>Sony shills on /v/ fall for it again handing over their hard earned NEETbux for a Vita

Honestly it's a comedy that writes itself.

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>Vita apologists

>>379173156
>hard earned NEETbux
That doesn't make sense.

>>379168287
I love my Lean Mean Weeb Machine.

I'm glad to see that the Switch is the Nintendo WiiAboo, I look forward to more weebshit.

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>>379172798
Thank God. I love trashy weebshit vns but hell if I'm buying a Vita just to play Danganronpa.

>>379173096
lol the switch has monster hunter already on it. it cannot fail.
with other fan favorites like splatoon and pokemon coming to it, it's going to flourish immensely.

seriously people who think the switch isn't going to be an enormous hit are living in some weird bubble of delusion.

>>379173096
You're not wrong anon, the Switch is a pile of garbage.

>>379173156
This place is basically NeoGaf these days with the amount of Vita apologists on here

>>379173315
WiiU had monster hunter, Kart and the best Smash Bros by a mile. Nothing is guaranteed and you're a retard who thinks game lineups determine console success.

>>379173354
>World of Warcraft is the best MMO ever made?
Yes, it literally is. Even to this very day.

>Starcraft 2 is the best RTS ever?
Once again yes, it LITERALLY is. Only argument that can be made is that brood war is better.

>LoL is the best MOBA?
MOBA shit is MOBA shit but if I had to choose one I'd play League over Dota. So once again yes.

>>379173464
Wii U does not double as a handleheld my retarded friend. The Wii U sold like shit particularly in Japan. The Switch is selling amazingly in Japan and Splatoon is absolutely destroying the competition in terms of pre orders on amazon.jp.

Monster Hunter on a superior handheld will sell millions, you're an idiot to think otherwise and even more of an idiot to think that the Wii U is even relevant at all to what the Switch offers.

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>>379173259
It takes effort to waddle down to the welfare line to get your monthly cheque you know.

If you look at the Switch, you can see that library only matters insofar as there is at least one 'system seller' that people will buy the console exclusively for. Switch has Zelda; 3DS had Mario and Zelda. Sony don't have anything that comes close to this, and so they struggle to find alternative ways to appeal to a mainstream audience.

The strategy they seem to have tried was to say, look, this is like a home console on the go. But it isn't, and can't be because of its technological limitations, so look what happened.

You can't really blame them though. Tearaway is an example of them doing the smart thing and developing a simple, fun game perfect for handheld. But it's not enough to drag people away from their ipads and smart phones or compete with Mario.

The main barrier to entry is the memory card pricing. It's almost criminal that you can't use SD cards, and 64GB of proprietary storage is nearly the price of the Vita itself.

I never got the "Vita only has ports/remakes!" or "Vita only has Japanese weebshit!" arguments when the 3DS has just as many of those things too, if not more. Yes, the Vita has pure pandering trash like Monster Monpiece. But it also has stuff with pretty alright gameplay like Soul Sacrifice, Freedom Wars, Tearaway, Gravity Rush, and Ys: Celceta.

>but Tearaway, GR, and other games like Dragon Quest Builders and Cyber Sleuth are on PS4!
I don't have a PS4, and probably never will. I wouldn't buy a PS4 for games the Vita can handle anyway, I'd buy one for something like Bloodborne if I really wanted one.

Also, I didn't buy a Vita until hacking/piracy was viable. I've only bought one Vita game ever (only because my friend accidentally ordered two copies, so I bought one off of him as a courtesy). My 64GB memory card is filled with pirated games. Also, the Vita is a far more capable portable emulation machine than the PSP ever was. Retroarch is smooth as fuck, and you can hack the PSP mode to pirate PSP/PS1 games, and have dual analog sticks. No more claw method in Monster Hunter? Sign me up.

>>379173652
>B-BUT THE SWITCH DOUBLES AS A HANDHELD
Yes and everyone knows powerful handhelds always lose.
Switch is a weak console, and an overpowered handheld. It's pretty much guaranteed to fail

>>379174592
>arguments when the 3DS has just as many of those things too, if not more.
It has more because it in general has more games. The number count doesn't really matter. On the 3DS I can go play loads of games that aren't that. I have variety.

Vita is ports and weebshit, and barely anything else.
3DS has ports and weebshit as one of its many offerings.

>>379175116
>It has more because it in general has more games.
It doesn't though, Vita has around 600 more games.
>On the 3DS I can go play loads of games that aren't that. I have variety.
If by variety you mean turn based JRPGs, sure, the Vita has more than 3DS even on that anyway.

>>379175035
Switch is literally selling better than every current gen console and handheld did.
It's not failing in the slightest.

Overpriced and overly encrypted proprietary memory cards, no real "I don't actually have the game" backups support, and no good homebrew. Such wasted potential.

>>379168287
>hard to know exactly why

wasn't cracked properly
all breast expansion and lewd games locked for japan

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>>379168287
>release an incredibly expensive console
>make it a tremendous pain in the ass to get outside of shitty bundles
>comes with 0 (ZERO) internal storage
>memory cards are ludicrously overpriced and hard to find
>from the start refuse to support it at all, develop zero games for it
>when it sells poorly on release, instead of salvaging it (like the 3DS which went on to be one of the best selling systems of all time) drop it like a sack of fucking bricks
>HURR WTF HAPPENED?
It fucking hurts, the Vita easily could have been the greatest handheld ever made.

>all these threads on /v/ about vita failing
>it still gets new games with more available on pre order than the 3ds and the vita is still in production
I mean I understand it doesn't have muh first party games anymore but this thing is such a great weeb machine and is obviously still profitably enough to keep around.

>hard to know exactly why
>too expensive with proprietary required hardware that was also too expensive
>no games (especially no MonHun)
>Sony gave up on it almost immediately

GEE, I WONDER

>>379175432
Vita is filled with shovelware and ports.

3DS games are exclusives and far higher quality.
Stay assblasted by this fact.

On the subject of turn based JRPG's, Bravely Default & Second shit on the entire Vita's library.

The vita games you bring up, like Ys MoC is universally agreed upon as being the absolute worst entry in the series by anybody who actually has experience with the series.

Soul Sacrifice was just a bland monster hunter clone - edgy edition.
Same story with Freedom Wars.
They tried to fill the gap from losing Monster Hunter while the 3DS has like 4 different actual Monster Hunter games.

I bought my vita a year after my 3DS and even to this very day I still use my 3DS more (For games like Yugioh in particular) while my hacked vita has been gathering dust for months. I only took it out of retirement to hack it and throw a few games on it but even with the entire library at my fingers there's absolutely nothing of value to be found in there.
Just inferior PC/PS4 ports.

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>>379176208
End this fucking meme. All the vita gets nowadays, and 90% of all the games it has ever got is shitty, terrible, generic trash that people only buy because they are insufferable ironic weeaboos that buy anything with muh anime girls in it. The only "weeb" thing that the vita has over the 3DS is a port of the worst Persona game, SMT 4 and 4:A blow anything Vita out of the water.

>>379169373

Feigning ignorance is better for their corporate reputation than admitting they fucked up.

Saying you are capable of failure is a sign of weakness and your corporate rivals will jump on that shit and never let go.

>No backward compatibility with PSP UMDs
This is what killed it in my house. My wife LOVES her PSP, but the minute she found out she couldn't bring all her old games with her, she just kept her PSP and ignored the Vita.

>>379168287
Sony like to keep systems on a low flame despite their sales being relatively dead. The Wii U had more attention in the west than the Vita, but the latter is still alive in Japan. The PSP received its last games in 2015, after the demise of the vastly more popular DS, and thus can be seen to have "outlived" the DS.

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>>379168287
yeah me neither

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>>379176375
>Switch is gonna get Pokemon Stars, Monster Hunter, Splatoon 2, Mario Odyssey, Skyrim, Arms, Mario Kart, Zelda BOTW DLC and Xenoblade Chronicles 2
>Vitafags still want Sony to create a handheld

>>379168287
3 major resons

1) No games at the start of the lifetime

2) Too expensive
javascript:;
3) Sony handheld

>>379170334
>that isn't for kids
so you cant think of anything but games?

thats a good thing

>>379176208
Don't see the remakes of Radiant Historia or Strange Journey coming to the Vita. Or DQXI. Or Etrian Dungeon 2. Or Monster Hunter

>>379175930
>no real "I don't actually have the game" backups support, and no good homebrew
What do you mean? Vita piracy exists, and the homebrew consists of a memory editor (for cheats), a tool to stream games from your PC, Retroarch for emulation, an overclock utility, a tool to change PSN accounts without formatting the memory card, a tool to play blacklisted games (if you have a PSTV), etc. Plus you can hack the PSP mode and do anything the PSP could already do. What more do you want?

>>379176849
as much as I love the Switch I'm sad because I think it finally spells the death of traditional handhelds.

Even if you could pirate games on it, there aren't that many to make it worth buying it.

>>379176321
The 3DS is a good system, but Trails and Oreshika shit on Bravely Default.

EO is better than any of the terrible dungeon crawlers the Vita has to offer though.

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>>379176321
>Vita is filled with shovelware and ports.
So is the 3DS.
>far higher quality.
LMAO, no, they're subpar PSP games that cost as much as a Vita game if not much more on average.
>Bravely Default & Second shit on the entire Vita's library.
A shitty FF5 clone with literal P2W is your best example? It's clear you didn't play much on your Vita if you bring that up of all things.
>Ys MoC is universally agreed upon as being the absolute worst entry in the series by anybody who actually has experience with the series.
You could say the same with MHX, who cares?
>Soul Sacrifice was just a bland monster hunter clone - edgy edition.
SS plays nothing like MH and there's nothing edgy about it, Nargacuga alone is edgier than anything in SSD.
>Same story with Freedom Wars.
Freedom Wars plays nothing like MH and is far from being edgy outside of Abel, which has approximately 5% of screentime since he is the main antagonist of the story mode.
>there's absolutely nothing of value to be found in there.
I find no trouble believing that when you like garbage like BD, but fortunately other people know better than you and aren't EOPs.

>>379176405
>Saying you are capable of failure is a sign of weakness and your shareholders will jump on that shit and never let go
fixt

>>379177334
Thankfully Trails is playable on all the Sony home consoles and PC.

>>379177193
>I think it finally spells the death of traditional handhelds
The Switch is still a handheld you can take anywhere, it's superior in every way no matter how you see it.

>>379176321
>talks about variety on the 3DS
>admits the 3DS has 4 MonHun games
How is that variety?

Also, I've owned a 3DS since like 2013, and I own a Gateway, plus it's hacked with b9s. So, I know full well the 3DS library. I've only owned my Vita since November. The 3DS probably has the most overrated library of all time. It has about an equal number of ports as the Vita, but it gets a pass for some reason. I mean, I'm not saying the Vita is better, but I feel like the Vita gets overly criticized for shit the 3DS also does.

>>379176623
But she can just hack the Vita and pirate the PSP games, and not have to worry about the retarded load times and noise of UMDs

>>379177334
>Trails and Oreshika shit on Bravely Default.

I think so too, but Bravely Default is a game that will appeal far more to your average JRPG fan these days than either of those will.

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>>379177558
It's really not though, it's too big and more like a tablet. If they ever release a Switch Lite that's comparable to the Vita in size, it'll be the GOAT handheld.

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>>379177594
>How is that variety?
Because there's none.
Sales numbers don't lie, People buy the 3DS for three games that get rehashed over and over again, and many of these major franchises are either mobileshit tier garbage like Pokemon and Yokai Watch or babby's first RPG, MH is the latest addiction to that.
>but it gets a pass for some reason.
You still haven't realized that you're in Nintendogaf?

So I take it PSP3 is not happening. Shame.

>>379176849
Sony would need a miraculous alignment of the stars to probably even consider making another portable considering Vita did poorly and everything but home consoles is losing money for Sony right now. Those aren't the conditions to make a new highly risky portable device.

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>>379177594
>but I feel like the Vita gets overly criticized for shit the 3DS also does
3DS was supported by Nintendo, and it had the important franchises.
>>379178031
People want big screens now. It's a different market now. People expect big screens because of those flat screen thingies and huge cellphones that you can barely fit in your pocket.

So Vita confirmed for being ignored at E3 (again)?

I love my Vita!

Collecting for it is just so comfy. Same with Wii U. I like dead consoles/handhelds.

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>>379177334
>Trails and Oreshika
Absolutely not. Coldsteel is awful. Now if we were talking about Estelle's games then I'd agree with you.
Oreshika is just plain bad too. I dropped it 2-3 hours in.

>>379177402
>So is the 3DS.
3DS is mostly comprised of exclusives.
Vita is mostly comprised of ports.

>It's clear you didn't play much on your Vita if you bring that up of all things.
Oh but I did. Name the games that I supposedly didn't play. I've tried all of the flag ship titles for this failed handheld and non of them stood out as anything above a 6/10. Bravely Default crucifies them all.

>You could say the same with MHX, who cares?
The difference is, the 3DS has 4U, aka the best MH game on the system as well so who cares if X didn't live up to it?

>SS plays nothing like MH and there's nothing edgy about it, Nargacuga alone is edgier than anything in SSD.
Except it does though and it's pure trash in comparison to Monster Hunter

>I find no trouble believing that when you like garbage like BD, but fortunately other people know better than you and aren't EOPs.
>Gets absolutely blown the fuck out
>Pulls the "i-i-it has games they're just in japanese though!"
I understand enough jap to blow you the fuck out even further my autistic shita loving friend.
Which Jap only games are you referring to that are high quality hidden kino?

Pic related is my shita. Just found it thrown down the side of my cupboard collecting dust & rust.

What a piece of shit system,
no wonder the 3DS blew it the fuck out LMAO

>>379178290
Nobody was expecting it to make an appearance in the first place.

>>379178056
I want to like it, but I really don't fucking understand the appeal of Animal Crossing. There's no sense of progression, you just do the same boring shit over and over again with a couple of new events now and then. At least Rune Factory 4 and Stardew Valley has some combat to spice things up, a lot more NPC/Story events and also in general more fun farming/crafting/gathering.

>>379168287

The PS Vita is unironically the console I have put the most game-hours into, by a wide margin.

And I've had pretty much every console since the NES.

Obviously the PC is the platform I've gamed the most on by much, much more. But for consoles, not just portable but all consoles, Vita is the winner for me.

>>379178184
>People want big screens now. It's a different market now. People expect big screens because of those flat screen thingies and huge cellphones that you can barely fit in your pocket.
I know, and that's why it makes me sad.

>>379178408
Vita had a tough life. It had an ironic name and was bullied out the gate and sales dropped like a rock after launch.
>Overall, Sony fell far short of the worldwide sales targets of 10 million Vitas sold by the end of March 2013
Hahahaha

I really want one for portable atelier and vanillaware games but then i remember that even though used OLED units can be gotten for 200 dollars i still have to shell out an extra 250 for a 32GB memory card and 30-60 per game.

>>379169019
>>Garbage screen

Wot? The screen on the original Vita is fucking amazing even today.

>>379168287
Tearaway on the Vita is one of my top 10 games of all time. Poking the rear touchpad and having your giant finger come into the game world and crush enemies was just genius.

>$300 for system
>$100 for memory
>$60 for 1 game
>All for a fucking handheld

Is Vita the most hated handheld/console of all time? 50% hate it because it's almost only weebshit with a few dudebro games like Killzone. The other 50% hate it because they're diehard Nintendo fans.

I bought it early 2016 knowing it was a weebshit console and I love it. It even got Utawarerumono which is nice and Mary Skelter is coming out soon.

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>>379169019
>Garbage screen

I'm confused, it's literally the first time I read someone complained about Vita screen
OLED screen for a 2011/12 handheld was nice for me

>>379178771
Original vita new in the box unopened costs $160 on Amazon Japan.

A 32GB memory card costs $25 from Amazon Japan as well.

Most games are $30 or under and there are sales every month.

the vita is absolutely awful.

>3ds gets hacked
>moves a huge number of units ranging in the millions because of this
>lively hacking scene
>enormous and varied library to play

>vita gets hacked
>nobody gives a fuck
>no units moved due to this what so ever
>hacking scene is sterile because nobody gives the slightest fuck about this system
>entire library of games is either some shitty softcore porn (which is comedy gold considering you can just get the best VN's uncensored on a PC) and shovelware

i wonder why it failed lol!

Ports and anime shit was why I personally did not buy a Vita.

memory cards
too expensive to develop for due to being too powerful
back touch screen is retarded
twin sticks are mediocre and lacks l3/r3 and l2/r2 making AAA ports cumbersome
Sony ditched it too fast
never got a true killer app

>>379179020
so this is the power of nintendont neckbeards

keep crying cuck :^)

>>379178929
He might be referring to the piss filter vita 2k screen, in which case he would be absolutely right. The Vita 2k's screen is legitimately worse than the New 3DS's screen PROVIDING you won the lottery and got an IPS screen on it.

t. somebody who has a vita 1k, 2k and 3 3DS's

>>379178383
>3DS is mostly comprised of exclusives.
Most of which are shovelware.
>Vita is mostly comprised of ports.
Many of which are the definitive version of games, like Shiren 5+, the Disgaea games and so on.
>non of them stood out as anything above a 6/10.
>Bravely Default crucifies them all.
That tells more about your terminal shit taste than the Vita's library.
>so who cares if X didn't live up to it?
Same goes for MoC then.
>Except it does though and it's pure trash in comparison to Monster Hunter
Great argument, too bad it's wrong.
How is SS edgy again, by the way?
>I understand enough jap to blow you the fuck out even further my autistic shita loving friend.
Sure buddy.
And even if it was true that would, again, tell us more about your shit taste if you think BD is anything but trash in regards to the 3DS' JRPG library, not to mention you'd know more Vita games than just the usual ones that get mentioned on /v/.
>Which Jap only games are you referring to that are high quality hidden kino?
And a /tv/ shitposter too.
Here's a (You), use it well, for it is your last one.

>>379168287
And it died without ever having a single game. Switch already has more games. LOL

Vita is objectively the best indie machine. It gets almost all the few indies worth playing. it's also god tier for psp/ps1 games if you have the OLED vita, and has a handful of good exclusive games and some great ports like rayman origins

>>379178891
this is a huge missed opportunity. A phone that looked like a PSP Go and let you download Vita, PSP, and PS1 games would be amazing.

>Vita thread
>Gets flooded with Nintendo fans getting mad as fuck for whatever reason
Somebody explain this to me.

>we don't know
is right.

The closest thing you can get is negative perception counter marketing.
You know what I mean, how the port beggars begged for the publishers to take away the Vita's games and to port them on the PC.
And when they did that they just laughed at the Vita for having no games after they took them?

Try again and create a system where Vita owners do not lose value as quickly. Like a punitive system to weed out the bad developers who treat Vita owners like stepping stones so that they can get a version they can send to steam.

>>379179241
switch has no games.

>>379179316
Who's mad? We're laughing at your shitty handheld.

>>379179403
It has more than the Vita has ever had after all these years.

>dont make games for it
>it doesnt sell
hmm.

>>379179316
3DS is underpowered ,overpriced and feels cheap. Vita is powerful, priced well and built amazingly. It's objectively the better system. Nintendo fans are mad because they know they are getting ripped off. The 3DS is weaker than the fucking PSP

>>379178683
>60€ for a brand new PSTV
Portability is nice, but I have no faith in the longevity of the 1000 Vita tech.

>>379168287
>It’s hard to know exactly why, but it didn’t garner a large enough audience here

Are you fucking serious Sony? Shit all games and expensive as fuck proprietary memory cards on a mostly digital library you stupid shitcunt of a CEO.

>>379179316
>Somebody explain this to me.
Nintendorks are still trying to recover from the anal pain caused by the 5th and 6th gen.

>>379179316
3DS is dead and gets no new games. It's also got shitty hardware and only kids games like Kirby and Barbie shit. Switch has 2 good games one of which is a PS4 port.

Of course nintendo kids are angry as fuck.

>>379168287
Price gouging on proprietary memory cards had a lot to do with it. Of course, Sony can never come out and say that, but I'm sure they know.

>>379179458
It only has two WIIU ports of mediocre games. The Vita never got anything amazing but it has some solid exclusive games like soul sacrifice delta.

>>379179614
>it has some solid exclusive games like soul sacrifice delta
PffffftHAHAHAHAHAHA
So this is the delusion of Sonybros.

>>379179518
The hardware is only half the system. And the Vita is exactly that. It got worth a purchase only once it got hacked and gained the ability to run PS1 and PSP games at leisure, and even then it's crippled by Sony memory card stranglehold.

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>>379179581
>one of which is a PS4 port
>implying we won't get all the great shit with how the Switch is selling in Japan

>>379179679
If you keep shitposting you'll eventually stop being able to tell the difference.

The handheld market shrunk and the larger brunt of that was dealt to Sony than Nintendo, because Nintendo has Pokemon.

>>379179759
>>implying we won't get all the great shit with how the Switch is selling in Japan
People said the same shit about the 3DS and its library is pathetic compared to the PSP/DS and even the Vita's.

>>379179707
Mem cards aren't even a major deal. It's a convince thing. You could get an 8 or even 16 gig card and just make room when you need too. At the least it encourages you to actually finish the games.

>>379179881
If you're gonna shitpost atleast try to sound convincing. Nobody will believe that tripe.

>>379178683
I got my used OLED Vita+16GB card for 100 USD..
Search better.

>>379179221
Since you've already admitted defeat since you're a low test faggot that doesn't even have the stamina to defend his failed handheld, I might as well keep this short.

>Most of which are shovelware.
Factually incorrect. 3DS has a shit load of big name exclusives that everybody loves to play.
Your handheld on the other hand is filled with moeblob trash that only appeals to the most pathetic of people who value cute characters over gameplay, music and story.

>Many of which are the definitive version of games
Except that is completely backwards. The majority of vita ports are straight up inferior versions. Any port that the vita has that is on the PC / PS4 is automatically inferior. Period.

>That tells more about your terminal shit taste than the Vita's library.
Cry more bitch nigga, lmao

>Same goes for MoC then.
It doesn't though, because there are no other Ys games for the Vita other than Ys 8 which just like Celceta is also coming to PC and PS4 in a few months.

>How is SS edgy again, by the way?
Shitty bland grimdark setting for edgelords like yourself.

>Sure buddy.
>Literally blows himself the fuck out on this point without me even needing to.
You can't even name one of these magical hidden nip only gems. Shall I explain why? It's because there are non.

>Here's a (You), use it well, for it is your last one.
gg ez why play lmao?

>>379179881
The 3DS had a far better library than the Vita, but as for the DS and PSP they both sold better than the 3DS did so they got more games.

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>>379179881
>muh 3DS
Yah, that thing that wasn't even region free and has nothing in common with the Switch? Totally the same situation. Well observed Sony drone!

>>379179942
>>379179762

Software Sales (followed by lifetime sales)

[PS4] Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana (Falcom, 05/25/17) – 27,741 (New)
[NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Nintendo, 04/28/17) – 26,993 (467,689)
[NSW] Ultra Street Fighter II: The Final Challengers (Capcom, 05/27/17) – 16,404 (New)
[3DS] Monster Hunter XX (Capcom, 03/16/17) – 11,155 (1,490,343)
[PS4] Guilty Gear Xrd: Rev 2 (Arc System Works, 05/25/17) – 10,609 (New)
[NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Limited Edition Included) (Nintendo, 03/03/17) – 10,390 (476,021)
[3DS] Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission X (Bandai Namco, 04/27/17) – 6,515 (152,923)
[PS4] NieR: Automata (Square Enix, 02/23/17) – 4,260 (334,553)
[3DS] Pokemon Sun / Pokemon Moon (Nintendo, 11/18/16) – 3,317 (3,266,197)
[3DS] Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia (Limited Edition Included) (Nintendo, 04/20/17) – 3,103 (182,371)
[3DS] Pro Yakyuu Famista Climax (Bandai Namco, 04/20/17) – 3,033 (79,469)
[3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf Amiibo+ (Nintendo, 11/23/16) – 2,991 (181,843)
[3DS] Mario Sports Superstars (Nintendo, 03/30/17) – 2,909 (97,738)
[3DS] Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS (Nintendo, 12/01/16) – 2,868 (1,044,105)
[PSV] Romance of the Three Kingdoms XIII with Power-Up Kit (Koei Tecmo, 05/25/17) – 2,831 (New)
[NSW] 1-2-Switch (Nintendo, 03/03/17) – 2,825 (214,618)
[PS4] Grand Theft Auto V (Low Price Version) (Take-Two, 10/08/15) – 2,785 (339,729)
[Wii U] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Nintendo, 03/03/17) – 2,776 (125,769)
[3DS] Mario Kart 7 (Nintendo, 12/01/11) – 2,515 (2,776,275)
[PS4] Rainbow Six Siege (Ubisoft, 12/10/15) – 2,485 (196,956)

Hardware Sales (followed by last week’s sales)

Switch – 27,146 (26,114)
New 3DS LL – 14,610 (13,922)
PlayStation 4 – 13,972 (12,235)
PlayStation 4 Pro – 5,030 (4,989)
PlayStation Vita – 4,092 (4,088)
2DS – 2,667 (2,732)
New 3DS – 1,018 (1,406)
PlayStation 3 – 258 (327)
Wii U – 177 (184)
Xbox One – 121 (103)

I like how 3DS owners feel compelled to defend their own system in every Vita thread.

Almost like they're insecure about how shit the games for it is.

>>379180047
>>379179942

>>379169019
you never seen a vita screen have u?

The ironing is that the ones who are first to bring up Nintendo in the first place are Vita apologists.

The vita was the worst purchase I've ever made. Why doesn't it have l2 and r2 buttons.

Vita is nice. I have about 600 games for it (PS1, PSP & Vita) and currently playing through all 3 Patapon games.

And I say this as someone that sold the 3DS after I finished MH4U and bought the Switch 1 week ago. Zelda and Mario Kart are insanely fun but I have a huge backlog on my Vita that will last me 2 years minimum.

>>379168287
They only had to sell it cheaper and pay R* to make GTA San Andreas Stories desu. It would've easily sold 80 million like the PSP.

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>be a vita fan
>have to watch 3ds bullies say mean things to my fellow vita bros
>start violently shaking whenever they talk about sales numbers and exclusives which my vita-chan lacks
>developed a victim complex because of this

im thinking of ending it all bros, i can't deal with this anymore why wasn't vita-chan the princess she deserved to be? the 3ds is ugly i hate it so much FUCK

>>379179939
Then again, it encourages me to get a PSP instead to play PS1 and PSP games instead of a Vita.

>>379180127
you mad vita boi?

>>379180065
No, serious talk now.

>Vita plebs say the system is doing amazingly in Japan
>1 Vita game near the bottom of that list
>Selling like absolute shit (one model of the 3ds is still selling 3 times its numbers lel)

In what world is that "doing great in Japan"
Somebody fill me in.

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>>379180726
>Somebody fill me in.
As long as you ignore reality you can always imagine your favorite company doing well. Sony drones love to point out that PSP sold well but that was mostly thanks to piracy

>>379180726
The funniest thing is there's still 9 (nine) 3DS games on that list.
What happened to the Vita outliving the 3DS?

>>379180237
They're bottom of the barrel OLEDs with mura worse than anything else on the market.
Go compare your Vita to a Samsung Galaxy S3

All they had to do is get Rockstar north to develop a gta for it. I'm still wishing but I know deep down it ain't gonna happen

Anyone who doesn't state shitty marketing as the #1 reason as to why the vita failed is a retard.

>>379180986
And Sony dropping development for the system after a year or so.

>>379170334
>that isn't for kids
This kind of shit is how we know that you just didn't have an argument. Is SMT IV Apocalypse for kids?

>>379178771
The Switch does this as well.

>>379180892
I never bought a game for my PSP or my NDS desu. And I still use my PSP for PS1 games and emulation nearly every day.

Best handheld I ever had.

>why did our handheld with no killer app flop?

Monster Hunter was the only thing keeping sony handhelds relevant.

>>379171575
Yeah, I own both versions of the game, they're pretty different. The PS4 version is a lot better in my opinion outside of some of the funny touch mechanics and the use of the camera.

>>379180907
>Samsung Galaxy S3
Galaxy S3 is pentile garbage and had some of the worst mura of any AMOLED panel ever produced.

>>379177558
>it's superior in every way
Right, except for the whole "portability" element

>>379180986
Here are the main reasons fampai
1-No mainline MH
2-Memory cards are utter shit
3-Too many weeaboo core games
4-No mainline MH
5-People like 3DS way more
6-Sony don't give a single shit about it
7-No mainline MH
F, nevar forget.

>>379168287
>no medieval resurrection
>no THUG2
No wonder it flopped

>>379181390
and it has no cross game voice chat, achievements, apps, the ability to send fucking text messages, etc. If it weren't for the graphics the Vita would be like a next-gen console compared to the Switch.

The vita flopped because the shit heads didn't properly support it which is a shame because hardware-wise I still think the vita is really nice. Every time I do something system-wise I get mad becasue they clearly didn't give a fuck and will never fix it.

1)The bubble icons are dumb as hell. Do I really need a separate launch for every cartridge I ever put on the system? Not only that it doesn't back fill so if I delete one I have to manually fill that spot or the next installations will keep going on.

2) There's no way to conveniently back shit up. You can use the windows client they dropped support for or nothing. Good luck backing up saves without shelling out for ps plus. You have to transfer over the entire game without it.

3) the store is litterally the worst of any game system I've ever seen. The fucking eshop is more functional. The search is busted and it's hard to search out stuff with their shitty list. It's actually more convient to go through the website to download old stuff because they make you shift through a list of everything you've ever downloaded on psn. You better hope to fucking god there's no dlc either or you have to scroll (there's no search function) that huge list for every piece individually.

You heartless bastards. Can't you just give it a fucking rest? Nobody kicked the Wii U when it was down so why are you doing it to the Vita?
I hate this place.

>>379181492
Aside from VC, application support is a moot point in portable consoles. Sony tried and failed to compete with both Nintendo and smartphones by including applications that the average consumer never used because the average consumer also has a smartphone and doesn't send their text messages from their fucking Vita.

>>379181660
WiiU was a good console that did bad in business. Vita is closer to the Ouya or Onlive, but from a company big enough to have no excuse for faltering like that.

>>379181373
Yet it's still better than the Vita's

>>379181657
homebrew fortunately made the second point moot, you can backup whatever over straight usb like the psp

third point is remedied by psdle, even then the webstore has always been more convenient no matter what you were doing

>>379181725
The Switch is a home console though, and it can't do shit that the Xbox 360 could do when it released 12 years ago.

>>379181832
This

>tfw you want a vita now because of the new CFW
>remember about the fucking memory cards

How the fuck was that allowed?

>>379181865
The PSP has a stand to connect it to the TV but I saw nobody calling it a home console.

>>379180402
San Andreas Stories would've been redundant, because they already made that prequel short film that serves the same purpose.

>>379181660

>Nobody kicked the WiiU when it was down

pfffhahahahaha

But nah, I like both WiiU and Vita quite a bit. PS4 finally got its shit together this year but in the last 3 years I was singing the praises of the underdogs. I still think they're better than most let on, though Sony did admittedly go full retard in balancing the push for Vita and preventing it from becoming PSP 2.0, not to mention made the mistake of assuming western devs give a fuck about handhelds. But hey, niche weeb games so fuck it.

>>379181975
The PSP Go also allowed using a ps3 controller wirelessly

Where was Nintendo back then?

>>379169826
When they had the Spiderman license they intended to turn it into a cinematic universe through a Venom movie and an all-female ensemble movie called "Glass Ceilings"
Now that they're co-operating with marvel to revive the franchise they intend to get MCU bucks and then trash all relations to create their own cinematic universe featuring both of the previously mentioned movies plus a Black Spiderman movie.

>>379181975
You can't seriously pretend that's the same as the Switch. The Switch comes with the dock, a wireless controller, and an HDMI cable in the box. Games are developed to have specific visual upgrades when plugged into a TV in docked mode. Just because the Switch is shit doesn't mean you can pretend "nooo it's just a handheld that's why!"

If it's just a handheld, it's a handheld that is as big as an Atari Lynx and has horrible battery life.

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>>379181953
There's a good chance you'd have to settle for the piss filter vita 2k too. Good luck finding an OLED with the right firmware.

>>379182073
Not having a crisis with their portable console's choice of media.

>>379182171
>and has horrible battery life
Nope

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>>379182171
>pretend

>>379182073
>Where was Nintendo back then?
Outselling the PSP with the DS of course.

>>379182337
It does, I own one and I get 2.5 hours playing BOTW. The system software in general is just shit though. I can see my buddy online but god forbid we be able to send messages or invites to matches of Mariokart.

>>379173652
I guess the switch kind of counts as a handheld so long as you carry a duffle bag full of portable chargers to play it for more than three hours at a time

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>>379182412
That's funny, I get 3 hours. I guess you don't really own it after all.

>>379182171
The Switch is a handheld. Everything it needs to run is in the system itself and the dock performs no processing and is very barebones. The Switch is an oversized handheld with a mediocre battery life that can be effortlessly plugged to the TV. Nintendo actually made a handheld with good hardware for once and it shows in the size and battery life. Then again, this has been quite normal for Sony handhelds in the past.

>>379182412
>It does, I own one and I get 2.5 hours playing BOTW
What are you comparing that too that you're assuming that is bad battery life?
I don't own a switch but I do own two 3DS's and two Vita's. At full charge both of them get around 3 hours of playtime before dying.

Playing a game like Breath of the fucking Wild and being surprised that you're getting that amount of time in BoTW is retarded.

>>379182593
What brightness setting are you on? You want me to take a picture of my Switch to satisfy you?

I own every current gen console.

>>379177098
Radiant Historia and Strange Journey were both 3ds games to begin with so I'm not sure why you mentioned those.

>>379176375
>End this fucking meme. All the vita gets nowadays, and 90% of all the games it has ever got is shitty, terrible, generic trash that people only buy because they are insufferable ironic weeaboos that buy anything with muh anime girls in it.
>all those games being released are basically all terrible
Just like all the triple A garbage that gets released everywhere else. No fucking thank you, only normies lap that shit up.

>>379182412
I have both the Vita and the Switch.

The Vita gets 6 hours with Killzone and the Switch gets 4-5 hours with Zelda

>>379182730
Default. I haven't changed it.

>>379182776
I have the Vita as well but its not the first gen model so I don't know how fair the comparison would be in terms of battery life. I'm sure there will eventually be a Switch with better battery life.

>>379182623
Except not only is Nintendo marketing it as a console, but it's also getting console games, not handheld games.

>>379168497
Vita only has niche games and close to no casual games.

>>379182867
probably not in the same form factor

battery advancements are shit, so they'd either put in a literal bigger battery or lower power draw components (at risk of fragmenting the community via hardware)

>>379182998
Nintendo is marketing it as a hybrid. Tabletop and handheld mode with the two joycons acting as separate controllers emphasise that the Switch is fundamentally a handheld first. However I find your
>it's also getting console games, not handheld games
confusing when the Vita library is mostly this and historically home console to portable console ports are nothing new.
I'll give you food for thought though: some Switch games can be played in handheld mode while there are no games exclusive to the TV mode. Knowing this, which mode would you consider the primary?

>>379180127
That's nintendobabbies for ya. Too poor or too tasteless to own both.

Switch is gonna do it lads.
>Them big Ninty titles
>Niche Jap shit
>Steam Indie shit

That's it right there. It has the fucking triforce of games I actively enjoy playing.

I don't even own one, I'm a fucking poorfag that can't just buy a console on a whim, but I will definitely buy that shit when I save up enough autismbux.

>>379183594
>confusing when the Vita library is mostly this
No? Downgraded games are not console games. Vita was never strong enough to run games like that, even Minecraft isn't anything like the console version.

>>379183594
>Knowing this, which mode would you consider the primary?
Well games look and play better in docked mode with the Pro controller so I guess that's the primary mode. Using the joycons in portable mode kinda blows so I almost exclusively use it docked.

>>379183762
Switch games will be severely downgraded as well. The advantage that the system has is that the system is powerful enough to make the downgrade almost acceptable for the portability. Then again, I'll be buying my DQXI for my PS4 Pro, but that's just me and preference above else.

>Vita is dead
>confirmed no successor
>have to hope Nintendo makes a portable-only Switch revision that isn't shit and buy that, because it's clear it will be getting all the weeb games from now on
Fucking Sony.

>>379168287
They know why, but it's not good to say "Yeah our american branch literally wanted nothing to do with it and did everything they could to not push it ever, including specifically excluding it from show presentation."

>>379184173
>no need to buy two Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games
>no need to buy two portables for all small weeb games
Good.

The Vita died because there are only so many autistic weebs in the market. There's literally no reason to buy a Vita other than being a weeb

>>379184173
I'll wait until they release a portable only version with a real dpad.

>>379183930
>Switch games will be severely downgraded as well.
No, the Vita was entirely different. People say the Switch is weak all the time but they don't understand anything about tech.

>>379184478
and you do?

>>379168287
>expensive system with zero games
>"it's hard to know why it failed"

How these people have a job above cleaning toilets is beyond me

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>>379169286
because most normies don't think like that. They just play what everyone else is playing at the time. Get over yourself.

>>379184478
Switch is 150GFlops in handheld mode and 300GFlops in docked mode. XBONE is 1.3TFlops and PS4 is 1.8TFlops.

PS4/XBONE games are downgraded on the Switch. It happened to Dragon Quest, it looks so fucking ugly and also runs at 20 FPS with dips down to 10 FPS on the Switch.

>>379184478
I personally don't know shit about tech, but whenever somebody who is well versed on that shit asks a shitposter to mention another realistically usable mobile GPU that beats the tegra they just shut the fuck up, so I can only assume that the Switch is pretty much near the pinnacle of what we can get from a handheld at this point.

Could be wrong though, as I said I don't know shit about tech but that's how it seems anyway.

>>379184856
PowerVR Furian has better performance than the Nvidia Tegra.

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>>379184763
>Switch is 150GFlops in handheld mode
>PS4 is 1.8TFlops
>mfw Switch games have to be designed with the handheld mode in mind

>>379184478
The games it has that the other consoles got are already blatantly downgraded.

>>379184763
This. If its going to run like shit when ported to a weaker console by downgrading, don't fucking port it in the first place.

Disgaea 5 and Fate Extella which both are on PS4 got ported to Switch and I dunno how good D5 runs on Switch but I have a feeling Extella will run like shit on Switch.

>>379183594
>confusing when the Vita library is mostly this
What? The Vita library is handheld games and the few ports of console games are simply HD collections ported to the thing, Sly Cooper, and the two Ratchet and Clank games. The rest are games designed for handhelds ported over to consoles later.

If the Switch was prominently a handheld then it should be getting handheld games where it's designed around small burst plays not long treks. MK8D (Original was a console game not a handheld game, otherwise we would have seen a MK7 port instead), Splatoon 2, Mario Odyssey, Zelda BotW, I am Setsuna, Lego City Undercover, the proper version of a Skylanders game instead of a handheld one, Blaster Master 0 (Which is originally a console game), etc are all signs it's viewed as a console first by developers. Hell, the only handheld-type games I can think of are Puyo Puyo Tetris, maybe Snipperclips, Super Bomberman R, and I guess Binding of Isaac. Dragon Quest games are arguable. It's even getting a musou of Fire Emblem rather than an SRPG.

>>379168287
Propietary memory cards.
HDMI port jewed out to make PSTV.
hacking situation was/is a joke, everyone was an attention whore

>>379184856
It's not even using the most powerful tegra chip. We can do better.

>>379185116
>The rest are games designed for handhelds ported over to consoles later
Ys: Lacrimosa of Dana was created for the PS4 and then ported to Vita (downgraded) and then PC (straight port, same as PS4) according to Falcom themselves.

>>379185093
lmao fuck off sony cuck, Disgaea 5 has already roasted the ps4 in terms of sales on the Switch.

Portability > Graphical fidelity every single time.

>>379185268
I'm pretty sure because the switch version included every dlc versus buying 100$+ of dlc on ps4

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I just bought a used OLED Vita in pretty decent shape the other day, but the firmware is updated to 3.65.

Is there any other way for me to downgrade it to the hackable firmwares or do I have to change the fucking motherboard like google has suggested?

>>379185235
and both Digimon games, Akiba's Trip, Tearaway, Severed, and Danganronpa games started on PSV before going to PS4 or other consoles. It goes more this way than PS4 to Vita.

I shouldn't have included MK8 though, because that game works on both console and handheld so I suppose you could consider it a handheld game as well. Regardless though, Nintendo and developers seem to regard the thing as a console first and foremost when it comes to the games themselves, not a handheld where you have burst play and small chunks of gameplay strewn about.

>>379168945

>PROPRIETARY

Hey man, that's a great way to make money if your product/service is in demand.

>>379185747
Maybe some day but no way now

>>379175035
HOW CAN IT LOSE WHEN IT HAS NO COMPETITOR?

>>379173506

>Starcraft 2

But senpai, that's not Company of Heroes.

>>379185268
Too bad Switch is defective as fuck Nintenbro. I'll be playing D5 on my PS4 with 0 issues while your Switch warps from the heat because shitty ventilation and no smart temp while PS4 has the smart temp which keeps the PS4 cool enough. Also Switch having a shit dock which can short out your Switch causing the Switch to no longer work.

>>379185729
NIS needs to fucking compensate PS4 version owners by giving them all DLC for free.

As much as /v/ is fascinated by analyzing this guys interview to death and doing console wars a week ahead of E3 I'm not so see you fuckers in a few months assuming you'll maybe have 5% new material at least.

Why do people keep claiming it has no support?
It has more games than the 3DS atm.

>>379173096
lol no

>>379169640

Literally this. How is this not the obvious reason, especially for Sony who are incapable of owning up to any mistake or shortcoming.

>>379176321
Smells like retarded fanboy

>>379185984
No, they don't. Should've waited.

I have a Switch & Vita and I enjoy the salty tears of 3DS cucks.

>>379179458
Nintendo fans are so mad, holy fuck

>>379186351
Agreed, 3DS is shit.

>>379168287
>Sony being out of touch as usual.
how so?
Since they also admit that they have no idea why the ps4 did and is doing as well as it is.

>>379186679
You don't dominate the home console market without a clue.

>>379186351
>>379186519
God I fucking hate the 3DS so much. So fucking underpowered and uncomfortable to hold. It's like a brick.

>>379179316

I will always love how criticizing a console or game automatically makes you a fanboy of whatever the competition to that thing is supposed to be according to /v/. As if you can't just criticize something in vacuum and /v/ is just that caught up in everything needing to be some sort of zero sum game of allegiances and fanboyism.

>>379187001
Its less about the shity build and more about the games being shit and not worth playing. Most of it is just lazy ports.

I haven't touched mine in 2 years.

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>>379168287

>>379180065

>Muh fucking Japan market numbers

Where are we going with this?

>people replying to 3dshitters
The only thing you should ever reply to them is "240p", say this to their face and watch them recoil in shame.

>>379168287
too much weeb shit
we needed good games like MGS:PW underground 2 remix, mega man, final fantasy,
not kawii neko-chans adventure 2.5 remix steller curry edition

>>379168287
Gee it couldn't be the proprietary memory cards...or the lack of key handheld titles like monhun, or the price compared to the popular 3ds. It's a shame because vita is a pretty cool handheld but yea, the market is what it is. You don't go in against Jewtendo on handhelds.

>>379187458
Marketing is what sell things. Sony completely abandoned the Vita in favor of the PS4 which was the smarter decision business wise seeing how successful the PS4 is today but it sucks for us because the Vita is a legitimately good handheld with the overpriced memory card being the only drawback.

>>379169220
fuck off normalfag

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>>379187354
>kawii neko-chans adventure
That sounds fun as fuck, to be honest.

>>379174592
Soul Sacrifice and Freedom Wars are basically the same game with a different skin: monster hunter. I fucking hate it. I think monster hunter is okay, even a good game series, but they copied the controls too. The worst part about monster hunter is the controls and animations. They look stiff and awkward. It's not well designed, so I don't know why the hell they would copy the controls.

I've found lately that every time I see a third person Japanese action game, I'm going to fucking hate it.

>>379170334
Monster Hunter retard

>>379187709
And lack of good games.

I only really play turn based strategy games on my handhelds what good tbs/srpgs does the vita have?

I know the PSP had a few like tactics ogre but did the vita have any?

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>>379181865
>360 is 12 years old
Time sure does fly

>>379179316
Wait a minute there are Vita fans?

>>379189932
Disgaea 3 and 4 I guess.

>>379168287
>release console with good hardware
>release a few games for it at launch
>never fucking make anything else for it
>'i dunno why it flopped lol'

>>379190812
Yeah I kinda disgaea'd out on the PS2 era. You can only grind so much before it loses it's appeal.

>>379170983
That was before the memory card cancer was revealed, before that, /v/ was slobbering over it too to a lesser extent.

>>379170983
memory card faggotry hadn't been announced yet, and it was also the same price as the 3DS despite being way better hardware.

They also announced a bunch of siht that never happened. Remember when there was going to be a vita exclusive Bioshock game?

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>>379172467
>Jealous of the vita
>the fucking vita

If you aren't a shitty gaijin AAA whore flavor of the month graphics faggot you'd enjoy VIta. /v/ doesn't like vita so you can draw a conclusion from that.

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>>379196573
I play japanese games exclusively and I think the Vita is garbage.

Sony didnt even care enough to make a Patapon for it.

Western devs never really cared about it, and all it got were ports of older games (MGS, P4, FFX)

Not to mention at launch you had to to opt into a data plan from AT&T that cost money.

Also mobile phones have been chipping away at handhelds for years.

>>379196573
/v/ doesn't know japanese, nor does it care about either hardcore niche games or games that aren't from big names, so it's only natural they don't like the Vita.

What's annoying is the amount of lies and double standards, which is far more than most other consoles discussed on here.

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>>379168287
They should have marketed the damn thing properly in the West.

Say what you want about Vita and its cost, but it has the most diverse library of any handheld device ever created, barring emulation. A lot of that is owed to PS1/PSP/indie support.

If you can justify a Switch purchase, you can justify a Vita purchase. It just doesn't have Zelda/Mario/Pokemon pedigree, which is why owning multiple platforms is a thing. I don't get the Vita hate. But then again I'm an adult who buys shit so maybe that's why.

>why didn't it succeed?
Probably price, lack of a normie system seller, and no constant limited edition releases outside of Japan.

>>379196781
What handheld would beat the Vita if you're a weeb? Or did you mean Pokemon and Zelda as Japanese games that you play?

>>379200386
And Monster Hunter. And SMT. And Dragon Quest. And EO.
Actual quality japanese games.

The Vita is pretty shit m8. I have two of them.

>>379200093
>but it has the most diverse library of any handheld device ever created
No?
You never owned a GBC, GBA or a DS.

>>379200829
>Actual quality japanese games.
Only MH is somewhat of a quality game in that list.
>>379200923
>You never owned a GBC, GBA or a DS.
Only the DS can compete, and even so it's tremendously lacking in some genres which the Vita has in spades.

>>379201389
lmao

>only play Vita for p4g and dagnaronpa
>touchscreen still somehow dies
Hmm

>>379182085
Do you mean Miles Morales?

>>379185009
Vita was only 28.8 so that's already a huge step up.

>>379168945
>PROPRIETARY FUCKING MEMORY CARDS
Memory stick was proprietary as well. The main difference is that they licensed it out to 3rd parties so they could make cheaper (but generally still overpriced) alternatives.