One shot no skill

>>379160687
Not anymore

Be patient. Hog's time in the sun is almost over. The day of the reaper approaches.

>>379161029
which makes him pretty much useless

>>379161504
Good. He made Reaper useless, now it's his turn.

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>>379161791
no need to be mad, Reaper will remain useless in any case

>>379162024
They're revamping his passive the way I was suggesting it should work from the very beginning: instead of health orbs that enemies drop when you kill them, he now gets passive health leech on all hero damage he does, helping him fulfill his role of a tank buster better.

>have every event skin for Roadhog
>don't even play him

And now I never will.

Does the passive damage into healing carry over into Death Blossom?

I now want a Shadow Priest Armour for Reapfield with his ghost form being a Dispersion and fucking Shadow form.

>>379161214
>>379161791
I dislike that they're implementing both reaper and hog change. They should only implement one, not both. On PTR hog can no longer punish a non sneaky reaper, while reaper can now just casually walk into a team fight and pretty much tank damage until he needs to wraith, then just keep shooting.

>>379162136
suck your own cock harder life steal isnt something new

>>379162176
Yeah it affects death blossom too, he can actually live all the way through it now.

That means Reaper will eventually get a vampire skin
neato

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>>379162315

Holy fuck I can't wait to be edgy again.

>>379162224
The sneaky Reaper is a meme. When he teleports, he announces his presence to the entire enemy team, and his footsteps are almost as loud as those of a tank. Reaper is a brawler hero, who while doesn't have really high burst damage, should be able to sustain himself during prolonged skirmishes and eat away at enemy's health, especially tanks.
And OW is a team-based class-based game. Hog isn't supposed to punish Reaper, since Reaper's only job is hard countering tanks. If he can't do as much, he'd be useless, like he is right now.

>>379160687
Did you meant one shot no kills??

>>379162315
>he can actually live all the way through it now.
Reading that is sad.
It reminds me of all the times he wasn't even able to say a single die before he dying.

>>379162315
Now all Pharah needs is for her rockets to destroy or collide with oncoming projectiles to prevent her from dying instantly

>>379163021
That'd be like having a Diva shield her for the entire duration of her ult. That's too strong. How'd you even counter that? Throw a Rein at her, so he could pin/melee her mid-mair?

>>379163207
>Throw a Rein at her, so he could pin/melee her mid-mair?
someone post the video

>>379163207
If her rockets collide with other projectiles then they'd be destroyed as well, you'd just need to shot a few at her while you duck behind cover, it'd still be a shit ult

>>379163207
Most ways of countering an ult is by using an ult. You could also shoot her from the sides. It would basically just be a frontal cone of collision.

>>379161504
>>379161791
Except he is a DPS machine now. He basically machine guns his right click which is also a one shot on many characters.

Reaper is still shit till they lower his spread and do something with both wraith and tele.

>>379162471
Nah, you're just a retard. Think crafty, not sneaky. Even if you they hear you coming, the whole point of the character is that if you are close enough for them to hear you, they are already dead. For the most part that just means getting as close as possible without giving them LOS shots on you.

>>379163379

Very few people playing Hog can aim though, he really was the one trick crutch character of choice. Those that can aim will still be playing him only his role will be completely different. No more stupid bullshit sneaky Hog endlessly flanking because hes going to get blown the fuck up as a result.

Now we just need Mercy to be fixed and the one tricks can fuck off back where they belong in the shitter.

>>379163379
They did fix the gripe I had with wraith. They only need to make his shadow step more silent (or maybe faster) and he'll be fully fixed

>>379163323
Played too much Vanquish recently?

>>379163635
My problem with Shadow Step is how fucking iffy the collision is most of the time, like it flicks all over the fucking place because of it needing to have you stand on an edge. Multiple times I've tried to get up somewhere quickly to escape an oncoming enemy team and despite hitting left click while the preview is in the right place it shits its pants and I teleport five feet along the ground in front of me.

There has to be a better way to highlight where I want to go and quickly.

>lone wolf hog hook is dead
>reaper buffed
>hanzo buffed last patch
>mccree buffed
My dick can NOT get any more erect

Is it possible to play Genji without having someone scream in your ear how useless you are?

>>379163942
>mccree buffed
12 o'clock is buffed but he is still shit in all the other aspect that is what matter

>>379163635
The problem with wraith is they just chase you down. It doesn't heal over time like Mei block, which it either should do that OR it should have a movespeed bonus. Its a flanking character who gets chased down VERY easily compared to Tracer and Genji.
>>379163938
Widowmaker's grapple has shit targeting aswell.

Teleport needs to be usable while in wraith, or be reworked so you can go deep into ledges rather than be obvious as fuck with two damn teleport delays

>>379164035
Yes, by playing Tracer or 76

>>379164035
It depends, do you Genji into completely wrong situations?
>>379164059
I agree that McCree is shit but its still possible to kill the shit out of people with him. I just wish double hitscan came back instead of just Soldier running with Dive.

>>379164035
If you're good, they won't scream at you. Or play quickplay.

>>379164184
What are the right situations to Genji?

>>379164035
Yeah, you can be good at him.
Thing is, when there's a Genji in like, 80% of all games and most of them are shitters, people will automatically be triggered when they see you pick the cunt.

Genji, Hanzo and Widow are shitter magnets and everyone knows it.

>Implying anybody's opinion who are below gm are worth anything

Roadhog was fine where he was but people, as always, whine too much because they play like idiots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZVDvx_xu6Y

>>379164213
Dive comps.

>>379164286
Fuck even people in the Top 500 were getting tired of some of the stupid shit you could do with Hog. Just watch some of the Gods/Harbleu vods where he spawn camps entire teams by himself. Teams of other people in the Top 500, not because they are 100% out-skilling the enemy teams.

>>379164098
>The problem with wraith is they just chase you down. It doesn't heal over time like Mei block, which it either should do that OR it should have a movespeed bonus. Its a flanking character who gets chased down VERY easily compared to Tracer and Genji.

you people have been trying to turn reaper into a master of all trades character since launch, im so glad you fuckers will never design a game because you nigs know fuck all about power balance and situational kits. Every character needs a fucking weakness you dolts.

>>379164286
They can't just balance the game around GMs.
They need to try to make it fair at all levels of play.

>>379164457
You mean just what the Blizz themselves have been doing with McCree and Soldier all this time? I'm sure glad only top tier professional game designers work at Blizzard.

>>379164501
thats impossible unless you make every character hyper execution heavy

you lose the casuals that way and thus the loot box fiends

>>379164610
But the hardcore players are usually the biggest loot box whores out of them all.
Look at the professional Dota 2 players - their every hero is wearing $300 worth of cosmetic items. They buy them because it's the only game they ever play, and they think it's worth buying them. Casuals like me are more than content with the default skins and occasional legendary random drops.

Anyone else having issues connecting to the server? I haven't been able to play all day

>>379162926
I mean it's not like you can't still flashbang him, sleep, hook him, hug him with defense matrix, deflect him, hack him (?)

>>379164501
you're definitely not wrong, but ruining a balanced character because half the game's playerbase are too dumb to stand behind shields is too much

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>>379164457
Yeah we'll just keep doing the old fashion method. Maybe in 3 months Reaper will be FOTM

>>379164098
>OR it should have a movespeed bonus
I think it does that already.

>>379164608
except the fact that soldier has always had to work hard at plat and up to compete with other dps because his headshots are unreliable at range, and the fact that mcree requires you to actually know how to aim. do you see the dynamic between the two characters you just fucking used as an example for your own argument?

mcree->slow, high damage, high skill cieling character
soldier-> faster, higher skill floor, but lower dps

you turn reaper into a wraith form self healing, fucking leach machine with teleport and 250 health and you'll see a reign of terror the likes of which road hogs could only dream of because you just buffed one of his only one and a half weaknesses

>>379164286
majority of players are plat so the game should be balanced around the opinion of plats

>>379164854
It's not even about staying behind a shield... you just have to bait the hook or wait until he uses it

Once he hooks somebody roadhog has a window where you can explode him almost even before he can manage to combo who he hooked. If your team is alert and knows where hog is, they can save the person and get rid of him in no time

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This thread is now a Torbjorn Thread.

>>379164035
Yeah, not be a shit tier genji. If you dive and kill a healer or a DPS, and can get out without spamming that you need heals, most people won't complain. But if you dive, die, and depend in your dragon blade to make "L33T NINJA KILLZ", then complain that no one is going in because you got 1 kill, well fuck you, you're going to be flamed.

>>379164978
Don't put words in my mouth. I never said Reaper should get all the buffs imaginable. He should just perform adequately at his role, which is close quarter combat and tank disposal. Meanwhile both McCree and Soldier perform equally well at long and short range.

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>>379165084
>tfw the team doesn't know that hard vork pays off

>>379164968
Extremely slight. Makes him move normal Lucio speed which also isn't that much faster. He doesn't need to be speedboost speed but it doesn't last that long so it should be enough to gain distance/los

>Reaper finally gets buffed to relevance again

Maybe I'll actually play him now.

>>379162471
>shotgun
>low burst damage

huh

I mained reaper s 1 and 2 along with Zarya. I stopped playing S3 but might go back I literally have every single reaper skin, the gold guns, he's fun af to play

>>379160687
Roadhog Mains eternally BTFO

Just like waiting out a Deflect at mid-range and murdering the Genji as he tries to run away it should be possible to chase down a retreating Reaper and murdering him.

I think letting him fire straight away when he comes out the other end now works really well with him getting health back.

>>379165272
Reaper's peashooters aren't DOOM super shotguns. You can't reliably land headshots or control your spread. It's only a burst damage if you shoot them at point blank range, but at this range any hero's weapon would do as much.

>>379165042
>bait hook
>roadhog is behind his team
>can't dive him
Repeat ad nauseam. He's not fun to fight against.

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>maimed Roadhog for seasons 1 and 2
>placed Diamond both seasons
>stopped maining Hog for the past 3 seasons
>slow tumble down to low Gold
Is it terminal bros

Reaps also can't do shit against Pharah who is seeing an increase in popularity due to the stupid Mercy buff and how brainless PharMercy is.

So don't expect endless Reaper parties just because Hog is dead.

>>379165449
I can't imagine how people even thought the wraith form was an escape ability before, when you could just murder a running Reaper the nanosecond he materializes. Now at least you risk facing some return fire. I always thought it was more of a chasing ability, since you got a slight, but at least some, boost to your movement speed.

>>379165587

Why would you not play a tank in Season 3?

>>379165647
Its not a run down ability due to you not getting to choose when you come out of it. So you could slightly mis-judge how long Wraith is going to last and the enemy your chasing down makes a health pack, leaving you next to them with now full health. It needs to work like Sombras invis but like that being broken when she takes damage Wraith needs a similar downside.

>>379165084
That's a right pretty bra washer ya made ya small ugly girl!

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>>379164907
>The Valve way
>Both have hats
This comic was surprisingly accurately detailed

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>>379165197

>>379164448
Harbleu can 1 v 6 with multiple characters, it's not like roadhog is the problem.

>>379166542
Yes? I said it makes him move Lucio speed, and that is slight.

>>379166036
it's good to see new blood on our subreddit, welcome to the board

>>379166769
Fast enough to get to a health pack.

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>>379160687
No one bitches when hanzo and widowmaker oneshot people from across the fucking map but apparently a massive easy to shoot target in your face is worth bitching over

If he misses his hook once he dies

Also his ult is flaming garbage

@ 379166808
the bait is so shit you won't even get a (You) from it

>>379167090
nice post m8

>>379164835
>hug him with defense matrix
That's my favorite along with putting winston's bubble on him and watch him dance like a ballerina.

>>379166542
I know that there hasnt been much in the way of movespeed changes but i think that chart may be outdated? Zenyatta ult moves quicker than 5.5 doesnt it?

>>379167440
>Zenyatta ult moves quicker than 5.5 doesnt it?
Definitely.
But my point there was that Reaper moved faster than Genji and Tracer, so it works.

>>379163507
>Now we just need Mercy to be fixed and the one tricks can fuck off back where they belong in the shitter.
But what will female streamers play then

>>379163507
>>379167872
How does she need to be fixed? I thought she was widely regarded as the weakest support hero.

>>379168018
Nerf her ult to the ground

This fat motherfucker ruined the game for me.

I stopped playing entirely because the idea that someone could just be a menacing character that makes other characters feel hopeless just by picking it is fucking bullshit. Fuck him, fuck obese players that pick him.

>>379168154
>no pharah

>>379168018
LET HER USE GUN AND STAFF AT SAME TIME

>>379168018
Give her something to do except dodging bullets, its even more boring than medic gameplay in tf2

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>>379168154
Cry some more.

>>379168154
I have some GREAT news, friend

>anything in overwatch
>skill

wew

>>379166542
where is genj's ability on the list?

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>overwatch

>decide to give pharah a try as i dont play her much
>wtf
how the fuck can anyone say this is fair and balanced holy shit
they never should have buffed her jetpack

>>379167025
>Small generally hard to hit projectiles


>Hook with a hit box the size of Orisa.


Are you fucking kidding me m8? Nice bait dude. You got me.

i wonder how can people unironically play this game competitively when they know Blizzard treats balance like flavors of the month thing

>>379166542
I never understood why they did the whole 'uniform speed' thing.

Seems to me that unique speeds would not only help differentiate characters, but could be used as a balancing measure.

You think anyone would bitch about roadhog, if he was slow?

>>379169332
Anyone with hitscan either eats her alive in the air because she has zero cover or forces her to stay lower and negates her advantages to the point where you might as well be a different character

>>379166542
>Roadhog isn't actually any slower than most of the rooster

I guess he just feels slow because he's a fat fuck.

>>379169541
I play it to mainly troll and tilt the fuck out of people who are unironically trying.
It's especially satisfying when you throw a game when the people in your team are one win away from a rank-up.

>>379169332
At silver Pharah diving on top of Soldier means he dies. At diamond Soldier rushing under Pharah means she dies.

People who struggle with aiming struggle with Pharah because you have to essentially aim twice as hard to even hit her, but people who are good at aiming swipe her out of the air with ease because Pharah is slow as hell and completely exposed in mid air.

>>379164098
>Its a flanking characte
I thought he was a tank buster.

>do placements
>7 losses and 1 draw
>don't want to play this anymore
>it's the only game friends play together

Get good faggot, play reaper.

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>people shits on me for playing reaper on comp
Now it's my turn.

>>379170162
Are you doing placement matches with other people doing placement matches? Because that's what happened to me, and all I can say is; it get better once you get placed.

If your friends are shitters who won't get better then RIP: (You)

>>379170313
I'm playing solo 'cause I haven't played in ages but my friends all continue to play together. I'm way behind the curve but still, I'm not like "mercy going out to heal someone across the map during a death blossom" bad

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>>379170162
your rank is based more off of your individual performance than your win/loss ratio in placements.
also
>caring that much
it's numbers in a game, don't let sweaty nerds make you feel like shit because of a number in a game.

>>379169519
If it were that easy to hook people everyone would play roadhog

It's not a hitscan projectile and it's better to get in close, but you're always balancing how close you can get versus getting so close you get killed.

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>favorite character ruined because casuals couldn't take the time to stop bitching and git gud
I fucking hate you Blizzard.

>>379171383
>i can't win easy and have to git gud myself

cry me a river faggot

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>>379160687
>garbage character gets nerfed even more
>shitters still complain
Hooh.

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+His hook
+His health restore

-Tons of health but no armor/shield
-No actual shield to protect himself or his teammates
-Very large target, ultimate battery for character such as Tracer who are incredibly prevalent in the meta at the moment
-Ult really only pushes people away from Roadhog, is easily stuffed
-Incredibly weak if he is unable to land a hook

Without his hook Roadhog is entirely worthless. A much better way to nerf him wouldn't been to increase his health restore cooldown by 1 second, increase his missed hook cooldown by two seconds (leaving regular hook alone), and implement all changes to his shot count/speed, but only reduce his damage just enough so that he could just barely do 200 damage to an enemy hero with a melee attack afterwards.

Being hooked fucking sucks, but the only reason you're getting hooked is that you're out of position or moving in a way that's predictable, both of which lead to death in FPS games. The only thing that will happen when Blizzard nerfs Roadhog is that Soldier 76, Tracer and Genji will have free rein for the next two months since there's no surefire way to kill them if they're out of line unless you dive them, which is ALSO way more useful without a hog.

>>379171514
Roadhog was never hard to counter. Maybe at the shit rank you're playing at, sure. More than half of the fucking characters on the roster can win a hog 1v1 if they bait the hook. You shitters always act like he's a guaranteed 1HKO machine every 8 seconds, when in reality most hook hit percentages even out to 50%.

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>>379160687
>overwatch
>skill

>>379171383
I play Hog and I can admit he's bullshit.

>20m instant death combo that kills everyone except Tanks, basically making him better at what Reaper's intended job should yave been
>300 self heal
>M2 that can one-shot 90% of the cast at mid range

Come on man, Hog was too much. His death combo is nearly as long as McCree's optimal M1 range.

>>379171812
But Roadhog hard counters half the cast, eat shit.
>HURRR YOU CAN BAIT IT AGAINST SHITTERS TO IT'S BALANCED DURR
Stop.

>>379171812
>dude just bait it and u dont instadie lmao
just rope yourself

>>379171802
>out of position or moving in an unpredictable fashion
You do know that having even decent aim mitigates all that, right?
Most of the maps are tight enclosed spaces you dumb fuck

>>379169671
He is taller.
See how Torb feels faster but is because the camera is closer to the floor.

>>379172485
List of characters that have 200 HP or less that do not have movement mechanics/shields that could conceivably get them out of the hook's range/dodge the hook:

Soldier:76 (If we don't count his sprint)
Hanzo
Junkrat (If he doesn't have a car bomb in time)
Torb
Widow (when not grappling away)
Ana
Zenyatta

Everybody else on the cast has rolls, deflects, jumps, teleports, and more to get out of Roadhog's way. Protip: at a certain level above Platinum (which you'll probably never see in your life), Roadhog is way fucking easier to deal with because people don't just run into his hook area without teammates/stay behind shields

>>379172648
Wow it's almost like Roadhog was an important part of keeping DPS heroes in check and without him around dive comp will never fucking end.

>>379162267
not him but you're retarded

>>379172912
There is no way you can react to Hog's presence as 76 and sprint away. If the Hog is any decent at predicting movement with the generous Hook hitbox the moment he sees you it's too late.

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>>379160687
Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Hooking Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Walk Away From The Hook Like Nigga Press A Key Haha

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>>379172912
>7 characters out of 20+
>2 of them snipers that shouldn't engage RH from upfront anyway
>2 of them support characters that get outclassed offensively by a mile and a half anyway

sure proved my point, retard

>Roadhog gets nerfed
>Tracers and Gengus now free to run around harassing backline because the threat of Hog is not there anymore

>>379173319
>You: HE HARD COUNTERS HALF THE CAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Me: No
>You: THANKS FOR PROVING MY POINT YOU FUCKING IDIOT AHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA

Suffocate yourself

>>379173272
I've pretty much picked up Zarya as my main because of how many Genjis and D.Vas I run into. Holy fucking god the satisfaction of watching Genjis mash E while I'm melting them to death.

>>379173443
>he hard counters over half the cast
>"no he doesn't here's less than half of the cast and they aren't hard countered"
>yeah i know

>>379173480
Zarya is great, I pretty much exclusively play her, pharah and ana.
All of which give me some kind of a tool to save my teammate from his fuckup, consussive blast, shields, sleep.

Feels great to have many tools at your disposal.

>>379169323
It's instant, the afterimage is produced when you press shift.

>>379163440
I can smell the bronze.

>>379169064
Why did she kill the kid? And why doesn't anyone give a fuck

>>379163719
Nani?

>>379173843
I play Ana as my main Support as well, with some Zenyatta thrown in. I really want to play McCree, but there's always a fucking D.Va on the other team.

>>379160687
i kinda wish hog could throw his healing thing on team mates like heavy with the sandvich in tf2 but with half the original healing
would make hog much more viable in team situations

I just pick widow on every map and every mode.

>>379172460
>nearly as long as McCree's optimal M1 range.

Did McCree get a range buff again? cause I could sworn the nerfed it down to 20m