Meanwhile, when P4 and P5 MCs have a fun with their friends

>>379157246
>Has the universe arcana
>Igor tells him nothing is impossible with it
>The best he could think of was to sacrifice himself.

He deserved it.

It's OK, Elizabeth will finally save him in Persona 5 Arena and he'll be a DLC character!

>>379158419
There is "endless possibility" and "endless power" anon, you can be a guy with unlocked stats but if your stats arent infinite enough you cant just beat the concept of death.

>>379157246
With friends like Fuuka, this is a good thing.

>>379158509
This. Just wat till E3 guys.

>>379158509
>Liz free Door-kun while Joker shoots Nyx in the face

>>379157246
eh
I would argue that Tatsuya got dealt a worst fate
let alone Aleph in SMT 2

>>379157246
If it makes you feel any better, P5's MC got brainwashed by his cat into being unable to stay up late.

>>379157246
well he did fail to defeat nyx unlike the Persona 1 bunch who succeeded

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>people claiming he's at peace

Because being groped by a demonic catdog for all of eternity sounds so peaceful.

I'm honestly expecting that old theory to actually happen and they'll have him just take over Igor's job since the nips still don't wanna replace his deceased voice actor. And even going so far as to writing an entire story based around not replacing him.

>>379158876
Even if they kill Nyx or Erebus, they'll just be reborn again because of the human desire to end the world, the Fall.

They can't save Door-kun/Door-tan.

>>379158919
Dude you talked with your friends today so you better get some sleep.

>>379159129
>tan

Good joke Anon.

That aside, Liz could probably just replace him as a seal with something else for a set amount of time.

>>379158903
At least IS Tatsuya's pretty at peace now. Sitting in the middle of a city ruins and a nazi warship talking about manliness to Apollo doesn't sound too bad. Being branded by Nyarly between IS and EP is much worse

>>379158919
It's OK.
The cat is just a fragment of P5's MC mind anyway

p3 mc cant even die. his soul is stuck in between as a door. has to be beyond boring.

>>379159370
MC isn't even a door. He's a lock on the door.

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>>379159129
It's supposed to be the same for Yaldy, yet Joker killed him so hard whole world got rebooted.

>>379157246
That's what he gets for being a fucboi who couldn't beat Nyx of all things

>>379159919
To be fair Joker did get a boost from the power of shitposting.

Which reminds me, is Arsene just Satanael hiding his powerlevel for the lulz?

>>379158419
This.

>Not using the universe arcana to eradicate human's "death wish"

>>379160205
It was Arsene powered by phansite shitposting.

Like how Messiah was Orpheus powered by the Universe.

>>379160205
>Which reminds me, is Arsene just Satanael hiding his powerlevel for the lulz?
Probably. It looked like taking of his limiter rather than normal evolution.

>>379160350
so shitposting is more powerful than the universe?
The more you know

Tried to play Persona 3

Why does this shit look dated as fuck compared to Nocturne?

>>379157246
Is FeMC the backdoor?

>>379159919
Irc Yaldy was formed by the collective conscious thing so he was beatable if mankind believed he could be.
Meanwhile nyx exists outside of it and is undkillable

>>379157246

Tatsuya's stuck rebuilding the last viable city in a ruined world.

>>379160524
So if mankind would stop thinking about suicide Nyx would fuck off? If there's a way to save Door kun then it would be through the phantom thieves changing everyone's hearts

>>379160482
Have you not played Nocturne recently?

>>379160448
It's all cognition.

The more people know about things, the stronger its power is. Yaldabaoth exists because they desire a god that would bring them salvation (which is also why Nyx and Erebus exist, but they somehow exist outside of cognition).

So when people finally realised shit hit the fan and their lives were going to be forfeit, they began to desire something that would stop the apocalypse from happening (The Phantom Thieves, and Joker summoning Satanael).

Nyx and Erebus are still a major threat if Door-kun is released and a different god may show up to destroy the world yet again. Which is weird, since they only exist because humans believed them to exist, which is again, cognition.

>>379160801
>mankind would stop thinking about suicide
>nippon
HA HA HA

>>379160927
It's a hypothetical, but yeah you got me there

>>379160927
Reminds me of WH40k were evil gods come to existence because of people desires.

>>379160514

It's complicated. FeMC is caught in a weird kind of limbo considering that Theo, her attendant, is canon but the events of P3P aren't due to the Answer.

nyarlathotep was pretty good ruseman to make him commit suicide like that
Shame he has been slacking as of late making the protagonists get off lightly

>>379160901
Erebus is a cognition but Nyx in P3 is an honest to god extraterrestrial entity, like the ones in Devil Survivor 2

>>379161286

Eh, there's always that theory that he's Futaba's dad and was the one to spur on Wakaba's cognitive studies.

>>379161281
You can choose (and why wouldn't you) Elizabeth as your attendant with Kotone in P3P.
Theo is there only for the fujoshits.

>>379158419
Well it was become a door or spend more time with the cast of Persona 3. I think we know he all made the right choice from that stand point.

>>379161675

Theo is that adorable kind of autistic though.

>>379161362
I read about Nyx's existence and all.

So all Door-kun/tan really did was lock away Erebus, which was just one cognition of humanity's desire to end itself and all Joker did was destroy Yaldaboath, which was one cognition of humanity's desire for salvation (and thus forfeit their lives, since living entails suffering).

In the end, was all Door-kun did for naught? If something like Yaldaboath can exist, another one can show up. May it be YHVH or some other strong cognition.

>>379161286
He did let most of the P1 and P2 cast get off though. Only Other Side Tatsuya get shit on at the end of EP

>>379162046

Lisa, Jun, Eikichi, and Maya can't even be around each other anymore. And that's not to say there aren't other factors that could trigger their memories.

>>379162002
Door kuns shit wasnt in vain, it is still stopping what suposedly is the one true cognition of the desire of death, elizabeth still megidolaons it to death every year so effectively, it stops the apocalypse from the wish of death, other desires he csnt do shit but he was absilutely not in vain, the world was starting to get massively fucked by apathy syndrome and a couple more months and the world would have just been fucked forever. He stopped a flavor of the apocalypse, he cant stop then all but to say he was in vain undermines his sacrifice.

>>379162002
Door-Kun bought time. Humans were around for a million years before things got to the point where Erebus went knocking on heaven's door. If enough people make the effort to improving overall happiness, it'll reach the point where Erebus doesn't instantly start reforming after being defeated.

And based on the Tatsuya Side scenario in EPP, the fact that shadows are starting to re-awaken as demons in P5 seems to be proof that progress is being made. Once balance between ideal energy and kegare is restored within the collective unconsciousness, it should be safe for Elizabeth to free MC's soul from the gate and let him return to the sea of souls to be reincarnated like normal

>>379160210
>using the Universe arcana to eradicate independent thought
I mean you may not think that's what you're doing but you're essentially blocking people from wanting something, as shitty as that something is

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>>379162612
independant thought is a meme. humans should serve the world and be one with it. by doing so, a life of repose would in turn be promised to them.

>>379163105
But doing that would kill everything, ever.

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>>379163105
Yes. You are exactly correct.

>>379163254
Fool! To ensure that evil and violence do not destroy the new world, we chose only those willing to give up their knowledge and follow God unquestionably. As supreme lord of the bestowing of life, I cannot allow your existence to continue!

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>>379163601
Begone

>>379163820
yeah that is not going to work against the real deal
you need a nice godslaying sword for that

>>379163601
You're gonna stop Nyx from mind wiping everyone in a universe that's unaware of your existence, let alone willing to give their lives to worship you? I highly doubt your "generous acts" as a god extend that far.

>>379163820

That's the Gnostic devil, you mong.

>>379163820
Satanael killed the fake god, the Demiurge: Yaldabaoth.

You'll need something stronger to fight the one true god.

>>379157246
Answer me /v/, how would react if they make a game specifically to save p3's mac...as another persona Q spin off for 3DS?

>>379163895
Joker killed a god. Even if it was "fake" God, in cognition/observation Joker is a Godslayer so he have the same power as Flynn

>>379164162

Mainline and If/Devil Summoner/Persona are two separate universes. The rules aren't the same between.

>>379164049
Happier than Aigis will be once she S.E.E.S that he's back.

>>379163820
Wonder what Joker's World persona will be, since Satanael was Fool (and basically Arsene's awakening?). There's no way he's not getting one with how 5 ended and how it'll get milked to death.

>>379164384
since he is a joker, nyarlathotep

>>379160210
P5 fags everyone, when faced with a problem first and last solution is brainwashing

>>379163820
So we got Lucifer, Satan, and Satanael The Gnostic Devil.

Where the fuck is Helel?

>>379164384
arsene with more spikes and edge

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>>379164049
I loved PQ's art style and soundtrack, having the sequel's plot focus on wrapping up P3's loose end sound more interesting than focusing on the donut steels no one remembers in the original, and more SMT crack is always good.
Sign me the fuck up.

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>>379164521
>The "true Igor" is actually Nyarly's puppet while Phil's is dead somewhere else

>>379164384
He will be the Antichrist

>>379164665
Akechi's true ultimate Persona. Loki is his Reverse Arcana Persona

>>379164712
igor was always a "puppet" for nyarlathotep. philemon created him but given their relationship, he is probably in on their goals.

>>379164665
Joker
>The Fool: Arsene
>Ultimate Fool: Satanael
>Reverse Fool: Mephistopheles???

Goro/Crow
>The Justice: Robin Hood
>Ultimate Justice: Helel???
>Reverse Justice: Loki

>>379164523
Not a stalwart P5fag or anything but I don't consider what it's cast was doing as brainwashing to be honest. Their "victims" only confessed to things that they themselves felt were things that warranted guilt or punishment. The game was in dire need of a target doing fucked up things who genuinely believed that he was doing the right thing, instead of simply not caring about right or wrong because of their power.

>>379165126
I get what you're saying but I respectfully disagree, you infiltrate someones mind fuck with the insides and take something that changes the way they think, most P5fags are ok with it because withe the exception of Sae and Futaba all the targets were 100% irredeemable monsters. Remember they don't come to the conclusion that what they did was wrong by themselves it was forced upon them.

>>379157246
I guess it's weird, but I kinda wish the next Persona has a sacrifice or somewhat more somber ending. Happy endings are nice and all but after two in a row I'm sorta looking for something else.

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Best Joker.

>>379165995
Could do some trickery with the S. links. Like whoever you waifu has to die Dragon's Dogma style.

>>379165995
Well if patterns are any thing to go by they'll probably switch it up 7 years from now when p6 hits the west.

>>379165126
That's the point. They target only criminals. If justice system can't do shit, criminals can do whatever they want. So this is best thing you can do.

>>379166706
Except when they brainwashed the masses into giving a fuck about Shido having committed crimes.

>>379166828
Is removing brainwashing brainwashing the masses?

>>379166828
Mementos was distortion. It shouldn't exist. Morgana said so from the beginning.

While Joker is the one with the most pleasant ending , I feel as though he had to endure the most bullshit to get to it, if separate IS/EP Tatsuya.

>>379166706
Doing something bad to stop someone from doing something bad still makes you a bad person, albeit generally less so.

>>379167126
Killing is wrong but death penalty exist.

>>379167126
No it doesn't.

>>379167126
The only difference is who it benefits.
Bad against bad for the greater good and all.

>>379165126
>I don't consider what it's cast was doing as brainwashing to be honest.


>forcibly changing the mindset and views of someone without consent
>not textbook brainwashing

Look up the definition an not your fanmade shit

>>379167531
>forcibly changing the mindset and views of someone without consent
so debate is brainwashing too?

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All according to plan.

He will revive again

>>379165852
That's somewhat why I've always thought the P4 casts Persona's are stronger than the P5 casts, mainly because they had to face their shadows where the P5 cast just got them when they were feeling particularly angry/under duress.

Well, should be more natural than P3's which are said to be formed from forced psychological stress or some shit created by shooting oneself in the head.

Just my own conjecture anyways.

>>379167023
>>379166828
Does it ever explain why they immediately went for Momentos' treasure or assumed there was one when they never bothered with some form of calling card?

The inconsistency bothered me.

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>>379167028
Its the same Tatsuya though, he took possession of the new Universes Tatsuya for EP. Then he got banished forever into a destroyed nazi ship overun by demons. Absolutely cucked

>>379168012
Maybe they were just securing a route and would have sent a calling card if they found the cloud but for some reason the treasure was already manifested.

I still think it'd be kinda funny if Atlus advertised a Persona where Door-kun finally is released and returned to his friends...and it ends up being that it's really just Nyarly wearing Door-kun's face to fuck with everyone or that Door-kun is just a cognition or something

>>379168012
Palace rulers needed to know their desires could be taken away for the treasure to manifest.

Yaldabaoth had manifested as the Holy Grail for a long while already. The moment the Holy Grail manifested back into Yaldabaoth was back in the Velvet Room when Lavenza was fused and Joker refused Yaldy's offer.

In a way, the Calling Card was given to Yaldy himself instead of the masses. When the masses started to believe in the Phantom Thieves instead, Yaldy was starting to lose power and Satanael shot him in the fucking face.

>>379168091
I know but I'm counting IS and EP as separate journeys for Tatsuya, otherwise yeah he's the one who got most thoroughly fucked in the ass

>>379168091
>meanwhile Katsuya is sucking on Maya's heart tits

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>>379168406
delete this

>>379167916
Futaba got her persona p4 style and there was no difference. P5 cast is much stronger because whole cognition stuff.

>>379167867
You're retarded.

You can walk away from a debate or end it whenever you want.

You come in to a debate fully expecting to listen to other views, and if you end up believing them it's because you was convinced. That's completely different from randomly having different mindset one moment and don't even know the cause or what happened.

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>>379163947
>Not knowing they are the one and the same

>>379168616
YHVH is the one true god. Yaldabaoth believes he is the one true god.

>>379167028
How?

His friends always bullshitted for him to get him out of any trouble.

The only time he suffered was just getting ruffed and drugged by cops and what shido did at the beginning

Why did people hate the party system in p3? It gave the party members a "personality" like with how Mitsuru is a Marin Karin bitch

>>379160927

I found the whole idea fucking stupid anyway, since suicidal people are fucking minority even in japan. That's why I can't never take P3 seriously.

>>379168726
And Yaldabaoth is the YVHV who believes he is the one true god. Gnostics are Christians who among other things, decries the Christian god Yahweh as a false god, inferior to Sophia and Abraxas

>>379167531
They didn't change their views though. Those targets knew what they were doing was wrong, they just didn't care. Change of heart can't force a person to admit a belief that wasn't present beforehand.

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>>379168781
>p3 characters
>"personality"

>>379168826
The whole point is the subconscious desire for the end of the world. Not everyone being suicidal.

>>379168859
It's all interpretation and cognition. YHVH still exists as a separate entity because he is worshiped not just in Judaism but also in Christianity and Islam.

Not all Abrahamics believe in the interpretation of Yaldabaoth, but most agree about the truthfulness of the Old Testament- thus making YHVH strong and separate from Yaldabaoth.

Demons. Ain't gonna explain any more shit.

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>>379169034
>Persona
>personality

They're all walking animu tropes

>>379169034
More personality than p4 and p5 and arguably p1

>>379169239

It's still fucking stupid. If something were to represent subconscious desires of humanity, representation would be just something completely schizophrenic instead of lol mankind wants to die.

>>379168982
>They didn't change their views though

They did, people like kamoshida truly enjoyed what he was doing regardless if he was aware whether it was right and wrong and believed he was the king of the place

Suddenly he's bawling his eyes out apologizing like a bitch and just telling everyone he was wrong, that ain't natural at all

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>>379169301
>More personality than p4 and p5 and arguably p1¨
>fuuka

sure yeah right

>>379158419
He had the power to grant miracles, or basically cause his own third impact and rewrite the universe so humanity is not suicidal. But doing the latter would technically erase his friends and robo waifu - even magicking them back wouldn't be the same since they wouldn't remember him and his sacrifice. In the end, Door-kun could only halt the end of the world so his friends could continue living their lives, and still give humanity another chance to get its shit together.
P4 and and P5 both involve kicking gods and humanity equally in the bollocks until the gods either stop acting up or humanity bucks its ideas up.

>>379169372
>representation would be just something completely schizophrenic
Why do you think there are so many kinds of gods and shit meddling in persona? Isn't Philemon and Nyarly pretty representative of how nutty humanity is since both of them came from the collective subconsciousness?

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>>379169296

>while Philly was sleeping 3 world ending entities almost ruined everything and his attendent got kidnapped.
Dsmn, he will be pissed as shit when he comes back in P6.

>>379169480
Humanity will never get to that point. The demons shall continue to exist and the apocalypse is inevitable. The only thing Persona users can do is delay it.

That is also why Door-kun can't just brainwash humans into eternal happiness or anything. That would only bring the Fall far closer, as humanity would have lost its meaning. After all, the gods and demons that exist in the Sea of the Soul were created in resistance to Nyx destroying the world.

>>379168982
Yes but it forces a change of perspective and morality key word FORCES. The targets aren't convinced through dialogue they're just changed without (except one) consent, you only support it because guys like Kamoshida are a scum . Here's a thought experiment what if the phantom thieves changed someones heart and made them believe something stupid but true, like Big Bang Burgers are bad for you, never eat them again and the target who only ate burgers once a month says "I'll never eat a burger again they're bad for me even in moderation" would that still not be brainwashing to you?

>>379169456
>1 character invalidates the entire cast
Teddie/Marie and sleep sim cat

>>379169590
>he thinks phil and nigel are coming back

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>>379169839
hey marie is best girl

>>379169839
>shitting on marie
Shit taste desu

>>379169590
>when he comes back in P6.
NEVER
EVER

In fact, now that Katsura Hashino is gone I wouldn't be surprised if we get another soft-reboot for P6 just like 3/4/5 never touched stuff from 1/2. Would be the perfect excuse to replace Igor for realsies too.

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>>379169992
>>379170127
>Unironically liking Marie

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>>379158919
I never get this meme.
Living with a talking cat who take care of your health and helped you became a better person is literally the best thing that can happen.

Joker literally living the dream.

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>>379163895
Joker have even more broken version of pierce skill. Just give him ammo and he can kill him.

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>>379170228
>Unironically hating Marie
i guess you dont have a good taste

>>379170261
Demifiend has piercing Freikugel and he jobs to YHVH

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>>379170252

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>>379170563
When was their fight ever shown or spoken of?

>>379166828
That's called publicity.
The masses giving a fuck about Shido crimes because the PT pulled those city TV stunts.

That literally isn't brainwashing. Just some public stunts, which attract a lot of attention.

>>379170252
ALso it's cute when he sleeps on you.

>>379170261
Had that applied to gun skills as well that would have been the singlemost broken ability in the game.

>>379170901
>YHVH still alive and kicking
>Lucifer still at it
No need to show it, he jobbed to him.

>>379170913
>The masses giving a fuck about Shido crimes because the PT pulled those city TV stunts.
No, they still didn't care after Shido confessed because they just wanted a good Prime Minister and he was the best guy for the job. They literally went to Mementos Depths to brainwash the public. Did you even play the fucking game?

>>379166391
>7 years

P6 is 3 away if that. Theyre going to milk the P5 engine and demon redesigns for at least another mainline game if not 2.

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If that useless cunt Philemon wants to be useful then why can't he go find the human unconscious desire to survive, which by necessity of the setting must exist, and use that to deal with Nyx instead.

>>379169372
Persona is based of on Jung's psychology. The subconcious urge for death as a way of ending suffering is part of Freud's psychology. They were basically contemporaries.

> The death drive is sometimes referred to as "Thanatos" in post-Freudian thought

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_drive

>>379171259
Because the collective unconscious is retarded
>we all want to die!
>but we all need someone who protects us and does all the thinking for us too!

>>379157246

P4 and P5 MCs have to put up with being in an eternity of mediocre-at-best spinoffs, though. P3MC may have gotten the better deal here, honestly.

>>379171259
He's not moving an inch unless there's signs of Nyarly

The last time Phil said "fine we will settle it RIGHT THE FUCK NOW" Nyarly go full lel and destroy the world

>>379171095
Pretty much YOU didn't play the game. You literally talking out of your own ass. Stop skipping the scene and read retard.

>>379158509

I doubt he'll be revived on screen. At most it will say she will be able to set his soul free to return to the sea of souls at an undefined point in the future.

>>379171458
>P4 and P5 MCs have to put up with being in an eternity of mediocre-at-best spinoffs
What did it mean by this?

>>379171492
Then why couldn't Igor do it? Or send someone else to do it? What the fuck are Belladonna and Piano Man up to these days?

>>379171520
After Shido's confession the public didn't even care about his crimes and Shido's crew's aggressive coverup campaign made them even doubt if anything the PT had done was real and not just some fake stunt.

They never cared about him being a criminal until after you killed Yaldabaoth.

>>379170876
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qitn6FRc0oc

>>379158419

This. Minato a shit

>>379169590

Philemon will only ever be a cameo to give out wild cards post P2.

>>379170563

YHVH is far more powerful then anything in the personaverse.

>>379159353
He's a fragment of all of humanity though, not just MC.

>>379158419
Go look up Nyx

>In the Persona 3 Club Book, in a Q&A section it is stated that Nyx is in fact a living being outside reality the size of a celestial body known as "the Star Eater", that drifted space in a dormant state. Eventually, this being collided with the Earth, and ended up entering Earth's orbit becoming its moon, but leaving its psyche on the surface. This "wave-like psyche" stood a contradiction to the already existing life on earth, which was still at a very primitive state. In order to resist this contradiction, the life forms in Earth had a period of evolution and developed a collective subconsciousness in which the life forms locked away the psyche of Nyx by suppressing its psyche with their own thoughts. Nyx's physical body entered a healing process after the colliding with the Earth from within Earth's moon. By the time Persona 3 takes place, that process was just about done. The Fall is the process in which Nyx's psyche re-enters its physical body, giving Nyx back its original form, meaning a paradox for life on earth, and thus the end of the world.

>The guidebook also makes a quick mention of the Great Will (a recurring power in the main series), stating that Gods and Demons emerge from humans as another mean to defend their psyche from Nyx.

Yeah no that shit is on a different level to even Nyarlathotep. There is basically jack shit humans can do to it.

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>>379161774
but Junpei alone redeems the whole cast and makes it 4 times better than other games

>>379162179
>Lisa, Jun, Eikichi, and Maya can't even be around each other anymore.

At the end of EP you see Lisa, Jun, and Eikichi gathered at the shrine and they mention about feeling like something or someone is missing.

>>379173735
>Nyx
>Gets assfucked by colliding with a moon and has to heal for a million years

>Philemon
>Makes a new universe and while winded as fuck isn't literally reduced to a lobotomised braindead version of itself

Even considering the shit from the book to be canon (which is dubious at best, considering that it's a fan book), there's massive amounts of shit that straight up don't make sense. If Nyx was really all that strong that the Great Will is jack shit compared to it, then how come that YVHV, who also came from the Great Will, is so strong that he can literally blink universes out of existence, each with it's own version of humanity and such.

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>>379174243
yeah but the slut makes it so much worse that its close to shit again

>>379174543
Yeah gotta agree, Mitsuru's hot garbage.

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>>379174657
*smack lips* Hol up.

>>379174657
Damn you.

>>379171665
>What the fuck are Belladonna and Piano Man up to these days?

Out of respect for the earlier games they no longer exist.

>>379174657
sorry you must have misunderstod me

you are talking about best girl and im talking about fuuka aka worst girl aka slut

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>>379174754
>>379174856
>>379174776

Like clockwork

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>>379174856
>you are talking about best girl
but i never brought FeMC up?

>>379160801
No. Nyx will always be there. But if humanity can become free from its apathy towards life, then Nyx can never awaken.

>>379174991
Who?

>>379158419
The opponent was something that exists outside the realm of victory or defeat. If it's only a concept that's brought on passively by humanity then the only ways to wish it away are to get rid of humanity's desire, fear of death, sense of community, or get rid of humanity altogether. This was the best option without changing people as a whole or letting Nyx intervene.

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>>379174991
no im not talking about so bad its non canon

>>379162002
The main issue with Nyx is that it's inherently bad for life on Earth. Nothing can really change that. If Nyx awakens, everyone dies. The reason Izanami and Yaldy went crazy was because of humanity's collective retardation, but that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. Originally, they were both benevolent entities who were born from humanity's wishes. Like, in theory, Yaldaboath can change its mind and decide not to fuck up the planet.

But nothing can stop Nyx from being a bad thing, so in a sense, it has a form of permanence that other deities lack.

>>379173735
Philemon made the entire new timeline that Nyx exists in. Nyarlthotep woulld destroy Nyx.

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>>379175148
oh i see, you meant THE best girl, Yuka-Tan!

>>379175148
>>379175286
Ladies, you are both best girl.

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>>379175148
>>379175286
>>379174991

ALL OF YOU ARE SO WRONG IT HURTS!

How strong is demifiend in the grand scheme of things? I've heard things about Aleph and the MC of p5 being stronger but the latter just doesn't make any goddamn sense to me

>>379169651
Philemon believes that humanity can reach enlightenment. Persona as a whole is generally more optimistic than the main series. There is always this tiny bit of hope buried underneath the mountain of shit.

>>379174483
If Great Will is a product of humanity then it makes sense. Nyx isn't, and contradicts, so the two can oppose each other. Humans can suppress Nyx and Nyx can suppress humans depending on who the stronger of the two is at any given time.

If YVHV is from the Great Will then it doesn't contradict humanity. It opposes them, but to use the same terminology its psyche wouldn't negate or clash with humans, so it's allowed to do what it wants. It's from the collective Great Will so it has a shit ton of power and is fueled by humanity's thoughts and desires. Nyx is only running on Nyx power and whatever it gets out of the clash with human-psyche.

Tatsuya had it worse.

>>379175427
Well, here's the thing. Demifiend doesn't really do anything that another Messiah couldn't. I mean, who HASN'T beaten up Lucifer and/or YHVH by this point?

>>379174483
>which is dubious at best, considering that it's a fan book
Wut

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I miss Fuuka, she was the most genuine and honest girl in the cast, and the one that worked the hardest.

>>379175427
Who the fuck told you that fucking P5MC was stronger than the Demifiend? That's just literally wrong.

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>>379175815
>worked the hardest
>sits on her ass doing nothing while others fight

>>379175816
Some dumb kid who has only played p5. I tried to tell him he was wrong but he kept coming at me

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>>379175815
>she was the most genuine and honest girl

>>379174483
Here's how I see it. Humans basically have the perfect kit to deal with things that originate from the collective human unconscious. That's why they can fuck up gods that seem so omnipotent. But Nyx is purely alien so they can't deal with it. And a human god can't erase it from the time line because Nyx needs to be a constant for the collective human unconscious to develop. Else humans just stay as unga bungas without the added evolutionary pressure.

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>>379175815
She was boring, Her persona evolution was rushed, she's beat by every other dating option in the looks department, and her voice is shit.

How do you like her?

>>379175751
Hmm, I've since looked it up and apparently it's "canon", but directly contradicts a lot of shit from the games and doesn't matter in the long run anyways, so it might as well not be.

Really, I hate when creators (and Japanese ones have an incredibly strong inclination to doing this) try to "add" to their work using outside sources of information that doesn't work with the already established. Most of the time it's terrible and is better left ignored, like the Star Wars EU.

Also, the QA section was answered by a "staff member", not Kaneko, not Meguro, not any one of the writers- still really dubious anyways.

>>379176084
Then how do you explain this?
>>379175283

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>>379176162
like how i like futaba

>>379175751
The interview is official shit with the director to.

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>>379175942
But that's wrong, Fuuka talks about training with her power constantly so that she can bring you info faster.
She's also constantly supporting her teammates in other ways like looking up information on the current state of the city or giving them moral support.

>>379176162
>She was boring
That's kind of your opinion, not a fact.
>Her persona evolution was rushed
What makes you think that? I don't see how it was.
>she's beat by every other dating option in the looks department
Again, opinion, I like her looks more than any other girl's
>and her voice is shit.
Not true, Mamiko Noto is an angel and gives Fuuka the voice that best shows her gentle nature

>>379169372
It doesn't represent mankind's subconscious, it only represents its desire for the end of the world. It's one part of what mankind wants made concrete. Since so many people wish for the end of the world, it's able to take form, but Nyx/Amenosagiri/Izanami/Yaldabaoth only represent one thing that humans want each time. Maybe not Izanami, since she's acting on what she think humans want/need, but the rest definitely.

>>379176493
>But that's wrong, Fuuka talks about training with her power constantly so that she can bring you info faster.
what info? about the amount of enemies that stand literally before me? Analyzing enemies, that's always the fucking same? Or maybe the amount of floors left to the boss, which she never gets better at?

>>379176325
Nyx is there in every timeline it jus only ever becomes a problem in P3's timeline.

>>379175427
There is no way that any Persona MCs come anywhere close to being as strong as Demifiend. If persona users are comparable to gods clashing over ideals, Demifiend is like an Outer God that has the power to start or finish arguments.

>>379176570
It's not that direct. It's not that humanity wants the world to end, it's that humanity's become apathetic towards life and death. THAT'S the trigger. Life is hard, it's difficult, it's painful, so we basically just go through the motions and stop caring if we live or die.

>>379175420

>Literal Psychopath
>Best

>>379176493
>Mamiko Noto
Don't play coy, you know I was speaking of her P3 english VA.
>What makes you think that? I don't see how it was.
Fuuka's catalyst (having your ex-bully leave town) has nothing to do with the central theme of death and felt undeveloped compared to the rest of the cast.

>>379157246

We have to throw Philmon at Nyx

>>379177330
Fuuka's the most normal one. She's a possible example of why normal people would lose passion for life. There was no joy in her life before the events of P3.

You don't need to have experienced great tragedy or live side by side with death in order to become apathetic towards life. You simply need to lack joy and happiness.

>>379176804
Basically I think of it like this: Persona users, like the name, uses Persona. P5MC's power is the same as Satanael's, Yu is Izanagi no Okami's, Tatsuya is Apollo's, etc.

Meanwhile SMT protags are often considered stronger than any mythological shit they encounters to the point that they can subdue a legion of those beings into servitude.

>>379176804
>JOBS TO YHVH!
>MUH STRONGEST JPEG BOSS!
>HE WASN'T EVEN TRYING!

SMT 3fags are the worst.

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>>379176162
>How do you like her?
I don't like Fuuka, I love her.
She's a very kind hearted girl and she cares deeply for everyone around her, and she backs that up with putting actual effort on it, she gathers info for Mitsuru and Yukari with ease, she give Yukari her father's real recording, she gives Junpei and Aigis moral support when they need it the most.
She's very smart and has a great interest in technology, mostly focused on hardware and electronics, she can build headphones that beat the current ones with a bunch of spare parts.
She survived Tartarus for 11 hours by herself without ever losing hope or giving up faith that she'd make it out alive.
She's a very calm and serene girl who's not looking for attention or to be thanked or recognized for her deeds, she's happy simply by helping others and seeing them content, and that's very noble.

In the end, Fuuka's someone I can honestly say I admire and believe is the most unique girl and strongest support in the series.

>>379176573
>what info?
The one she gets about the school's accident 10 years prior to the events of the game.
Or how she can always tell exactly where the shadow is or what is needed to do to reach them without fail, compare that to Mitsuru's or Rise's powers and you'll learn to appreciate the range of Fuuka's abilities.

>>379177330
Well, Fuuka's real voice is in Japanese, so complaining about the dub is silly.
>has nothing to do with the central theme of death
Well you see, you're making a mistake there, you assume that just because the game is centered around a theme Fuuka is wrong for not following and therefore her development isn't good.
That's not right though, because it's not necessary for every character to follow the same theme for them to be good.
>felt underdeveloped
You see, saying something "Felt" wrong isn't really a valid criticism, if you have any complaints about Fuuka then I at least ask you point out solid things I can address.

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>>379176419

>>379176804
He loses to the DDS cast dude.

>>379177669
>>>/out/

>>379178354
DDS isn't in the Persona series dude, nor are they Persona users.

>>379175420
Elizabeth is truly best girl of P3

>>379176804

>Demifags will never stop sucking their gay demon boi's tiny dick

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>>379177669
>>379178354
>>379178586
>All these buttmad Personafags defending their weakass MCs
>Claiming I said Demi-fiend is the GOAT when all the post says is that he's stronger than PMCs

Considering all the reading Personafags engage with, their comprehension is garbage. No wonder these threads always go off the rails.

>>379159129
Couldn't the Phantom Thrives make the world have a change of heart though? By the end of p5 they have a massive influence.

>>379178586
It's the SMT equivalent of FFVII fanboys. Nocturne is their FFVII and Lucifer's fuccboi is their Cloud. Or Sephiroth, considering.

>>379158419
Any other situations would result in a paradox.
There wouldn't be any desirable outcomes.
Door-kun was meant to suffer.

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>>379178893
Whoa, deep...

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>>379169992

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>>379176804
Dunno, getting fit paying off. Joker don't need personas anymore.

>>379170410
no u!

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There is only one acceptable outcome for Door Jesus
Igor needs a break

>>379173735
lol

That is a fucking Q&A from a random person on the team in a fan anthology art book before FES was even released. That's retconned as fuck with Erebus alone.

Nevermind Phil, Nyarly, and Yalda can all rewrite universes and existence itself.

>>379179376
>You will never have a confidant with that wooden training dummy with the luchador mask in the gym

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>>379179667
He's probably going to be the attendant rather than the master of the room.

When does Elizabeth get her own game?
With a team to save doorkun?

>>379178851
They only seem weak if you compare than to the mainline protagonists.

>>379178862
They do, in the bad ending, but they lost their powers in the true ending

>>379179954

Never. She's too powerful to carry a game. Her Arena story is all you'll get.

>>379180443
They're pretty weak compared to ANY other Megaten protagonists though. They never take initiative nearly as hard as the other ones either.

Even someone like Hacker goes straight into using actual guns and launching in-person attacks on corporate buildings and factories.

Why does Elizabeth want to free door-kun did he really make her all that hot and bothered

>>379181665
Joker makes molotoves and mini nukes in his free time. He would be ready if demons pop out in real world

>>379181863
he was her first lay if I remember p3 correctly.

>>379182619
>>379181863
It's never stated

All Demifiend really did was beat Kagutsuchi or Lucifer. Putting Persona aside, why is that more impressive than what other SMT protagonists have accomplished?

>>379157246
Tatsuya suffered a worse fate. P3 team was weak compared to P1 since the latter was able to beat Nyx in a couple of hours.

>>379181863
https://youtu.be/J2T5LbrJU7Y
You tell me

>>379183105
Nyx didn't appear until January.

>>379183040
It's not, people just overrate him because of his super boss fight in DDS1.

He also beat Metatron, the Archangels and Beelzebub, though his fight against Lucifer was just a test to become his subordinate rather than a fight to the death like Aleph, Flynn, and Nanashi deal with.

Which MC's are able to perform Fusion Spells?

>>379183546
People overrate him because it's cool as fuck to beat a demon with your bare fists

>>379183667
Everyone from P1 to P3, but P3MC is the only one who can do it alone.

>>379183667
Tatsuya, Minato, Maya.

>>379183786
*P2 to P3

Since we are on powerlevels topic, is Door-kun still the strongest Persona protagonist? How does Joker compare?

>>379157246
P4 and P5 MCs were able to have fun after their endings because of P3 MC

>>379183786
So Minato is OP?

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>>379183921
Nope

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>>379183718
But he's such a subservient bitch.

It's cooler to be a human and terrify/kill demons without superpowers.

>>379183939
1vs1, he'd have the advantage I guess.

>>379183921
He's never been the strongest Persona protagonist. He has zero showings, and the closest to a good one (sealing Nyx) got retconned into him not sealing Nyx's power itself, but only acting against Erebus.

>>379184105
Yeah, but since Persona is mostly about friendship I guess he, Tatsuya and Maya are pretty much equal

>>379184023
I like the bare fist beating but I agree, raidou is my favorite megaten protag overall

>>379183921
He's pretty up there due to him being able to multiple staple personas from prior games and he also has a gun.

>>379184130
What do you mean? He might not have any great achievement, but we know he is very powerful, he didn't have a chance to show it though

>>379184021
Time stop is OP for 1vs1 but Apollo lack those World persona's power

>>379184023
Crush a rock with your bare hands if you're so cool.

Door-kun got fucked by matchmaking

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>>379184556
>Yes

What's the Persona MC powerlevel ranking?
What's the SMT MC powerlevel ranking?

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>>379184536
>Deals the final blow to the strongest antagonist in purseowna
>weak

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>>379157246
>>379165995
>>379167028
Isn't it sort of implied that Joker going home isn't a good thing though? IIRC, he has to deal with some shit like like divorced parents who don't love him or sonething, and will still be ostracized just because he had a criminal record in the first place? It's still isn't as bad as Door-kun, but still kinda rough to come home to.

>>379169992
Lala Escargot >Everyone else

>>379184841
Having Morgana around would really helped.

>>379184816
Dealing a final blow means nothing, it's fighting them fully that shows your power

>>379177330
Fuuka's arc was centered around isolation and overcoming it, and the strength in the bonds people make with one another. Outside of Natsuki and her pals, nobody really knew Fuuka, and what most people did know about her was not true (her being sickly and weak for example). Fuuka's only interaction with her peers was with her bullies - who she always tried to make friends out of. After the events that lead to her Awakening, Fuuka ends up finally befriending her ex-bully, making her one of the first real friends she has.
Fuuka working with SEES allowed her to befriend more peoplepeople, and trolling online looking for info lead her to see that the internet is also a place where people make friends and keep in touch with them. When Natsuki moves away, Fuuka realises that she won't lose touch with her thanks to technology and also that the bond they've forged won't break no matter how far apart they are.
In a way, the MC also learns about this in the game's storyline, it is through all of his S.Links that he was able to harness the power of the Universe, and those bonds are what ultimately drove him to sacrifice himself to save everyone.

Fuuka's arc in comparison is more grounded, but it was still an important part of her development

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>>379185436
Door boy would get slaughtered by Nyarl

>>379184841
Dunno about that, but the guy has friends and a good home to go back to by the end, so it's still pretty good deal that he gets.

>>379185224
Also this.

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>>379185610
I knew it, you're the P2fag that always posts the fuhrer, it always ends up the same way

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>>379185614
leave best girl to me

Reminder that persona Q is canon.
Stop this thread right now.

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>>379185760

>>379184701
It's pretty much a tossup for Persona, because in cutscenes almost any of them could still just get killed by a gunshot, so the gap's not that crazy. Tatsuya's superhuman from rumors being spread about how strong he is and has timestop, Piercey/Maya/Joker all have guns, Yu still has Izanagi-no-Okami which he can resummon even in Arena and can one-shot eliminate gods, Door is ??? because all he did was seal Erebus.

SMT's also a crapshoot because half the time the characters just face different stuff and don't lose in their games.

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>>379185762
>best girl

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>>379185854
This is best couple, say something nice about them

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>>379181665
It's in his name. HARD CORE Hacker. He may not be the strongest Megaten protagonist but he is the most hard core.

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>>379185762
>best girl

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What do you guys think if P6 MC is a trans?

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>>379185760
Lot of P2fags post Hitler. Because Hitler with shades is cool.

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>>379186236

>>379186250
Can't argue with that, Hitler with shades is awesome

>>379159101
Care to elaborate more on Igor's VA drama, kind Anon?

>>379157246
Isn't the original Tetsuya fucked as well? Why does Atlus want to make everything happy for their endings now?

>>379186236
I would drop the franchise right then and there

>>379186236
Unlimited NOPE Works

>>379186405
He died, anon.

>>379185947
what a burn
>>379186250
makes me want to play persona 2 just for Adolf "Rad" Hitler

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>>379185945
Actually reverse position is canon. Door-kun wearing pants in this relationship

>>379186285
>>379186416
>>379186424
>Doesn't mind emo girly looking MC
>WAAH TRANS IS SHIT WAAAAAAH
Gay.

>>379157246
Is there a way to play it through an emulator?
I had in my PSP, but back then I was so retarded that I never finished it.
Now, I've caught the SMT vibe for a while, finishing game after game, and I want to replay P3. What's the best way play it in a pc? (PSP broke...)

>>379186560
Yes, it's called P3P

>>379186548
I don't want to play as a mentally ill character anon.

And liking traps is gay

>>379174543
>I NEVER FELT LIKE

>>379186415
Well P1MC goes back to a reunion in P2EP and Maya is fine

So it's only IS Tatsuya and Door-kun that got shit out of 6

>>379186415
The Phantom Thieves, esp MC deserved a break for what he's been through, probably got beat up and raped in those 2 months of prison

>>379186516
Chad-kun and Door-kun are the true OTP

>>379186651
>I don't want to play as a mentally ill character
Then why do you play Persona?

>>379186548
Being a rebel is one thing.
Being a legitimately insane weirdo is another.

>>379186725
Not if you maxed Hanged Man.

>>379186819
I don't want to play as someone with THAT mental illness, fuck off, Traps are gay and shit

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>three different gods tried to destroy the world in the span of a few years, and all of them did it in Japan
Is Nipland just the focal point of all existence in the Persona universe, or do you think there are Wild Cards running around saving the world in America/Euriope/etc that we just aren't being shown?

>>379169992
>GOTSHURSOSTUPIDHAHAIMSOFLUSTERED
>IDIOT
>Here's my mushy poetry side so i'm not a total bitch
>xd im going to kill myself
Marie was a joke and doesn't deserve anything

>>379186469
I mean them making a whole story about it. Did they say that specifically in an interview?

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>>379186725
Pretty sure he would protect his ass plus Iwai make it so no one touch him.

>>379186548
desu it won't work until we have a better understanding as to why people become transgender, from a psychological standpoint. it might be interesting, but it would inevitably turn into hamfisted garbage.

>>379186716
P1MC is missing in 2 tho. We don't know what happened to him

>>379186725
He was in Juvenal hall which isn't real prison. That and he is let out despite already admitting to another crime so he is super god damn lucky. Hell Adachi even tho he confessed to the murders is still in prison despite the police having no evidence on linking him to the murders or how he committed them other than his word. The same rules should have applied to Joker

So wheres Margaret now? I never did bring personas to the twins but I figured I missed some dialogue there

>>379186819
There's dramatic, interesting mental illness and then there's whiny, 1st world problems mental illness.

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>>379186236
>In P6 MC fighting the gender oppressed society where xe fight for xir gender
I think it's a setup from Atlus.

>>379185890
I wouldn't count out Door-kun if only because he can cast armageddon.

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Tatsuya followed by Door kun are the most cucked MCs

Also Naoya is still alive, he shows up in the epilogue of EP.

>>379186642
PS2 persona 3 or PSP persona 3?

(I have no idea which emulator is the best at this moment)

>>379157246
Being the Messiah sucks.

>>379186819
They don't cut off their dick

>>379186903
I'm not the degenerate you were talking to. I'd never lower myself to playing purse-owner nowadays. You just want to self-insert, right? That's all I want to know.

>>379187067
>"""dramatic"""
>""""""interesting""""""

>>379158419
The problem is that unlike P4 or P5 villains Nyx is literally the concept of death with Erebus being the desire of death. There's no way Minato could defeat Erebus without brainwashing humanity to not want to die, which is what lawfags would want.

P4 villain was convinced to stop and P5 villain could be beaten with brute force.

>>379186942
Well, his VA was highly respected, and there's a common feeling that when a popular character's VA dies, you retire the character.

>>379186914
Nyarly successfully destroyed the world once. Phil probably try to concentrate the special snowflakes in one place to makes thing easier in the new universe

>>379170252
The meme is that he's completely unreasonable in making Joker go to bed early.
It was a design choice so you couldn't blast through the game by pulling multiple all-nighters but it was executed poorly.
>Wake up
>Call friends over during the afternoon, we talk about how we're going to beat the shit out of Kamoshida
>Go up to my room, maybe i'll workout
>ITS 3PM YOU MUST BE TIRED

>>379187064
Nowhere.
She has no relation to the twins, if that's what you were thinking. I was thinking the same, but the whole deal with the notes was that Lavenza wrote them.

>>379187040
Unlike Adachi, Joker got people supports him from the back. Those people also gave testimony to help the court too.
He's lucky because he had all those confidant.

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>>379186841
I'll take care to avoid his SL in ng+ then.

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>>379187181
>>"""dramatic"""
>>""""""interesting""""""
I'm glad you're not the writer for any series if you don't understand the difference between pathos that interests the reader/viewer and evokes complex emotion and wangsty, off-putting pathos that evokes repulsion.

>>379187280
Caroline did said something like "what will our sisters think..." after you beat the twins though. Pretty sure that referred to Margaret and Liz.

>>379187154
Both are fine.

>>379187542
thank you, so I guess I'll go for the PPSSPP

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>>379187154
If you have a toaster, then P3P on PPSSPP is the best choice. Otherwise FES on PCSX2.

>>379186942
Igor's JP voice is different in this game, most people would just pass that off as a natural thing since the original VA died, but they actually made it a plot point with the whole fake Igor thing. The true Igor you see at the end is using recycled voice clips to speak, which is why he doesn't speak very much.

So basically, they can't change Igor's VA now because everyone's gonna assume it's a fake, they either have to severely reduce his lines, make him mute, or replace him with someone else.

>>379187248
>ITS 3PM YOU MUST BE TIRED
Yeah you exaggerated that part.

Door-kun's got it bad but I think Tatsuya gets a raw deal as well. He basically has the Devil Survivor 2 ending where they basically just save a tiny bit of Japan's land and the rest of the world is ocean.

Also why is Tatsuya the only one still stuck on the shitty Other Side while the rest get to live in the new universe.

>>379187181
Not really, I've played through P3 as both Male and Female, I just don't want to play as a disgusting freak

>>379187665
I wonder what they'll do now. They might just retire Igor entirely or have to replace his VA. They can't just keep recycling the same lines over and over again unless they just don't voice him at all.

>>379187704
Because he remember his friends and got branded by Nyarly. He got the Eternal Punishment (tm)

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>>379187785
Philemon will come back

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>Got his Persona first
>Probably still has it
>Can use it anywhere
>Beat Nyx
>Beat his shadow by talking to it
>Didn't die like a bitch or become a magic seal
>Has real guns
>Friends with the No. 1 man in japan

Make way for the real strongest Persona user.

>>379184235
He's the only MC that can use fusion spells like Armageddon too.

>>379187880
>Beat Nyx
Woah what?

>>379187880
Is P1 worth playing?

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>>379187856

>>379188061
No, it's fucking shit

>>379187880
Don't forget his shadow just want to play a game forever.
Fucking chill guy.

>>379187856
Philemon coming back would be like giving the Wild Card to all the players again.

It just makes everything way worse for everyone involved and somehow, the world ends or Hitler comes back with Magic.

>>379187828
It's been a while since I've played P2 but I remember that Lisa remembers too, but she's not from The Other Side.

And yeah, I forgot that Tatsuya's Eternal Punishment was basically being forced to see the people he loves treat him like a stranger and never get to be with them.

>>379186236
What if the mc was a girl instead?

>>379184235
The gun is fake.

But yeah Minato is definitely above Joker and Yu simply because he can spam armageddon and fusions by himself.