what went wrong?

Plebs who think 7 is better

*right

Not sure. Never played it.

I've only played Final Fantasy I, III, the one with Cecil, VII, XII, XIII, and XV.

>I
Fun NES shit. Made it past the second boss.

>III
Made it to first dungeon. Lost interest.

>Cecil one
Fun story, boring game.

>VII
Most over-rated thing ever. Didn't even make it to disc 2.

>XII
Most underrated, but still decent. Made it about halfway through.

>XIII
Not nearly as bad as everyone says. Paradigm shift is a great battle mechanic. But even still, made it about 1/3 through and gave up.

>XV
Currently playing. Digging it, but it's so big. Probably won't finish.

>>379117784
Ambitious twists on JRPG design that came out half baked in the end. Still neat tho

>>379117784
Took funding from gears, level scaling and having to take tests in a video game

>>379117873
This.

>>379117784
Story was half baked and took a bunch of random twists in hopes of being "interesting."
Game system was poorly explained and poorly designed, to where the strongest thing you could do was to play a card game.

Story isn't really the best, or rather the way it's told. But it has imo the best OST; best dungeons, best summons, best optional content, best mini game and a pretty fucked up ending which was at least something new at the time

Overall it's the patrician's choice for the PS1 mainline trio.

also, IX fags should just jump off a cliff

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>>379119060
This to be quite honest.

>>379117784
Nerds wanted FF7-2

VII is the best one. No question about that. But 8 was the first game I played when I got a PS1, so i'll always have a sof-spot for it.

I liked creating powerful magic, equip it all to the Str stat and kill everything on one hit and then spam limit breaks on bosses. This game's battle system was broken as shit.

>>379120237
>expounds on linking magic and combat abilities with character building
>cranks the modernized/scifi setting to 11

FF7-2 is exactly what FF8 is. Being too different has nothing to do with why people at large liked it less than 7, it's that it wasn't as polished or varied by a long shot.

So you have this nice setting about being a merc, you raid a beach, kidnap a president, attempt to assassinate a world leader, break out of jail and blow up a fucking missile base. Then instead of sticking with this it goes off on some tangent with a love story, sorceresses, a slug man, early onset Alzheimer's, orphanages and it all falls to shit.

8 was my first final fantasy, never had a 2d system despite being born in 1990
it's the best, because it was my first, because it had the first slightly realistic characters, because it was mysterious, because the balamb garden music was incredible, because whatever the fuck
it was great
i want to fuck fujin

A bunch of strong ideas that weren't thought out well enough. Still better than games like 4, 10 and 13.

>>379123186
also timber or whatever the fuck was the city name felt like such a great decayed metropolis setting, in fact all of the settings in the game were incredible
plus the whole fucking dollet landing, just wow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RTaDt1Jn7o

>>379117784
The story and the MC

>>379117784
I think Junctioning and handling the limits could've done a bit better. Otherwise I really liked them and it had the best card game

What actually went wrong - Square freaked the FUCK out because the game was a massive commercial and critical success instead of a unanimously praised massive commercial and critical success like FFVIII.

Rather than continue on innovating in the series, which had been stagnating like crazy up until FFVIII, they panicked and decided to go full nostalgia and shit out FFIX, the worst PSX Final Fantasy and objectively one of the worst games in the series - period. They've since never recovered.

It's amazing playing FFVIII from a modern perspective, the game was so ahead of its time.

>>379117784
Shit characters
Shit game play
Shit story line

>>379123975
Shit taste

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>>379117784
Nothing. Literally perfect, with the best antagonist that literally did nothing wrong and is the true hero of the story.

>>379124043
right FF8 fans have shit taste

>>379123784
>Rather than continue on innovating in the series, which had been stagnating like crazy up until FFVIII, they panicked and decided to go full nostalgia and shit out FFIX
Pretty sure they made it old school because Gucci knew he was heading out the door.
>the worst PSX Final Fantasy and objectively one of the worst games in the series - period.
That's pretty harsh in a series where 10, 12, 13, 14 1.0, 10-2, 2 and 4 exist.

>>379120047
>anything related to VII
>not the retards choice
Nice shitpost

>>379124151
X is better than IX.

>>379124151
>That's pretty harsh in a series where 10, 12, 13, 14 1.0, 10-2, 2 and 4 exist.

From these ones only 4 and 13 are really worse than 9. 14 1.0 doesn't count because it is only and the other ones are all better games.

>>379124225
x was alright, but killed any of the limited freedom the series had before
that's why we got shit like x-2 and xii

>>379124367
2,10-2, and 12 are all significantly worth than 9.

>>379117784
Potentially deep lore brushed aside in favor of some cheesy 90s teen love story shit. The FFVIII world is fascinating

The story could have been clearer at times. Characters felt a little flat and one-dimensional, but they were somewhat fun. The real crown jewel of the game is the junction system. Once you know what you're doing, it's super easy and super fun to break the game.
Nothing felt better than to fuck up Ultimecia by farming and functioning the game's best spells to your party, using aura and spamming limit breaks that did 9999 damage per hit.
Also, the story vastly improves if you incorporate the "Rinoa was Ultimecia from the future" theory into your personal headcanon

This is bullshit. I'm at Ultimecia, have 6/8 functions unlocked (all except Command and Draw), lvl 11-14. When I spam Zell's limit breaks, everything's fine until Griever uses that suicide GF attack and wipes my entire party. What do?

Not to mention, I don't get to fucking choose who my party members are when Ultimecia decides to pick 3/6.

>>379124225
>>379124367
>>379124396
>>379124523
It always gets me how people seem to defend X when it's got so much more fucked up with its design and writing than other meme picks like 2 and 12.

Like god damn.

>>379124753
X has a better story than 2 and plays far better than both of them. XII is boring as shit and only good for the world and lore.

>>379117784
Gameplay was tedious and broken as shit. I know you could say that about pretty much any FF game but VIII took it to a whole new level. Hell in combat your characters weren't even actual characters, all that mattered was which GFs you took into battle.

Characters did the game no favours either. The MC is a mopey asshole surrounded by obnoxious retards who couldn't think two steps ahead of themselves.

The story was ambitious and deep but also riddled with holes, and rather then expand on the things it did right it chose to focus on the worst aspects i.e the love story.

>>379123784
Ff8 wasn't sccuessful and how was it stagnant leading up? Ff6 and 7 were innovative as fuck and both vastly diffetent. Ff5 job system was amazing. 4 had a great story for its time. 3 was huge for nes. Ff8 wasn't anything more innovative to the series that's always changing.

LOL DRG

>>379125517
VIII is one of the best selling games in the series.

>>379125608
DMC2 is one of the best selling DMC games.
Everyone hates it.

It's almost like sequels to well loved games sell on reputation.

>>379125905
2 sold worse than every other DMC except the reboot. It also received lukewarm reviews.

FFVIII us one of the best sellers for the series and scored very well.

>>379126213
2 outsold the first game and 3 had to be released twice to even get comparable sales. Check your facts, m8.

>>379127869
DMC1 sold over 3 million copies. DMC2 sold under 2 million copies.

>>379117784
The first disc was perfect and set the bar too high for the following 3 discs

As a fanboy, here's my main picky things

>story really teen-esque (doesn't change the fact that I fucking love it)
>gameplay not very accessible and either really convoluted or easy to break
>overworld is plain as hell
>pixel graphics are hit-or-miss (can be compared to FF7 or games on N64 for effect)
>orphanage, weird balamb monster on disc 2, vague ending

That being said, the game holds a special place in my heart for helping me get through a really tough teen year since I can relate to Squall minus the cool edginess (i just had normal edginess) and loved exploiting Triple Triad.

>>379117784
Absolutely nothing.
Literally my favorite Final Fantasy.

>>379119060
I love IX for the gameplay, meta jokes, and emotional ending, but when it tries to be deep it's fucking horrible to look at. Vivi's quote about existing reads like a Jaden Smith tweet after fifteen years.

>>379129216
>Vivi's quote about existing reads like a Jaden Smith tweet after fifteen years.
Blame the translation. It says "I wonder if being unable to prove that you're alive is the same thing as being dead" in Japanese.

>>379118032
Why do you continue playing these games if youre not gonna finish them?

GF critics.

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>>379123784
>which had been stagnating like crazy up until FFVIII

FF9 is what happens when you let nostalgiafags take hold of something.

>FF7 and 8 sell exceptionally well
>hey, I think the consumers want us to make an old game again!

>>379117784
The gameplay and story.

>>379123186
>despite being born in 1990
Why the fuck would a parent get a game system for a 4 year-old?
You're a fucking retarded kid.

>>379131250
They were right.

>>379132349
They were wrong. FF9 flopped and Square was shit until the PS2.

>>379132475
FF9 was so good that it recouped the millions of fans lost to how shit FF8 was.

>>379132653
>recouping fans that Square never had or still played FF7 and FF8 anyway

FF9 was a net loss. FFX was their way of keeping on track with the new age. Fuck FF9.

>>379132749
What do you have against FFIX, my man

>>379132749
>being this underage
FF9 tackled much deeper themes in a much better way than FF8. Everyone loved it when it came out, and it got significantly better reviews than FF8 in pretty much every magazine.

>>379132979
Ah yeah, those themes of a perverted mutant who likes girls and is essentially Bartz 2.0 who wants to hit that princess bootie sure is deep. Except no

>>379133102
Wow, you have to be autistic to hate a video game this much

>>379132979
VII already handled all of those themes better, though. And remained consistent with them rather than dropping them.

>>379117784
i think the only issue with it is that leveling is bad for your characters, it's so annoying, looking for stupid pointless weapon upgrades and stuff like that when every monster makes you lamer.

also i think like ff7 (i only include this because everyone likes it), ff9 and ff10 are all genius (esp. ff9) so it comes out looking a bit less good retrospectively, at the time everyone was in love with it, first ff to not have chibi characters and the moody atmosphere made it a more 'mature' feeling game then ff7 and ff9 (people didn't used to just all play a game when it came out, so people played 7, 8 and 9 in no particular order)

kind of annoyed everyone else likes ff9 too now though lol, my hipsterism must be waning.

>>379117784

Junction system broke the game. But I did actually enjoy it

>>379117784
Still a good game but they went overboard with everything. It is still an enjoyable game even with all its faults.

>>379117784
level scaling ruins every game

>>379132979
>furfag adventures
SO DEEP

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>>379117784
The fact that I haven't necked myself yet

>>379117784
nothing
>that ending
best ff ending

>>379117784
this has probably the worst opening of any game
>almost 2 hours into it and tutorial menus are still fucking popping up
>absolutely no plot or purpose in the first 2-3 hours to care about

>>379137575
The tutorials were all added in the US version, they probably thought Americans were too stupid to get it.

>>379117784
oh yea 8 exists, desu it was just something to give the people waiting who wanted 9

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Final Fantasy was never good

>>379139676
no one has ever respected your opinion

>>379117784
Junction system is great but Drawing is terrible

>>379137575
>>absolutely no plot or purpose in the first 2-3 hours to care about
The first two to three hours is how the characters are determined to be chosen to go on the mission later on in disc one. The characters wouldn't be going off on that mission without passing those exams.

>>379140621
who gives a fuck though? How about start the game on the mission when shit is happening

>>379117873
fpbp

>>379117784
Junction system

Story

Characters

Scaled leveling

Magic system

Pretty much the only thing they got right was the bitchin' music

>>379137575
The first 2-3 hours were the best part, Balamb Garden was comfy as fuck

>>379117784
Only one thing:
> Ooh, a new enemy, I wonder what I can draw from it?
> Sweet, a new spell! Better spend the next 20 mins making sure I draw 300 of these!

>>379117784
a phenomenal game but not for the usual reasons that make a jrpg great

its more of a interesting sandbox-
mechanically (weird junction system that is fun and dynamic, if not horribly broken)
story (kind of vague, dreamy, lots of filling in ur own holes, has really interesting theories)

ive always loved jrpgs for the characters, and this game has horrifically bland characters

>>379118032
Underrated bait