What do you think of Censorship in video games?

Mixed feelings. I just play games.

>>379111543
Right one looks better desu

>>379111543
Bad, but not worth missing a game over.

Unless the script is changed a lot. Then I won't play it because it's been butchered and changed so much. Thanks, NoA. At least the fan translations exist.

>>379111543
i think the right side outfit looks hotter. then again, ive never really been a fan of that type of look on the left side, it just looks a bit ridiculous.

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>>379111543
I don't touch any censored games
The only exception is when there's an uncensor patch
But in that case I always pirate them to not support the developer

>>379111543
Who honestly likes censorship in games? That being said, I always thought sling bikinis were stupid looking. I'd prefer a micro.

>>379111543
Shitty thing for devs to do. Right is better though

Mixed, I understand for Nintendo games at least, I mean the target audience for them isn't /v/ and some shit should be regulated for children or else we'll get another girlgames deal. Well, at least for gore imagery and stuff. Don't understand the deal with censoring Nazis if they're all the bad guys in games anyways, I mean bad guys should be offensive.
But cutting content or changing a story entirely for censorship crosses a line. Oh well, FE Fates' story was bad even without censorship so whatever.

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Is this the most censored game to ever be released?

>>379111543
The fuck is this. I love me some stubby fingers and bizarre pseudo-child tits.

>>379113475
from what I remember it is an iOS game of some sort.

>>379113373
Then Nintendo's going for the wrong target audience with their recent censorship deals. How young are the kids playing these strategy, horror, and RPG games supposed to be?

>>379111543
S T R O N G L Y
I N
F A V OR

>>379111543
Depends on the content being censored. That said, some of the attempts at censorship can be quite funny.

Dragon Ball: Fusions, for example

If you care about censorship write your local TV stations to get them to uncensor the F word.

>>379111543
It very rarely concerns me as I don't typically play any of the games that are most often altered in these regards.

I think it's a bit ridiculous to cover up characters or remove religious references, but it's also silly to get one's knickers in a bunch over it.

Video games are large collaborative efforts, where many idea fall by the wayside before a product is shipped. The end result is not some gleaming pillar og artistic expression that loses all worth if tampered with.

>>379111543
I'm only bitching about it on /v/ when it affects my fanservice, otherwise I don't care about real censorship. My virgin penis is the only deciding factor in the question whether I care about censorship or not.

>>379113657
B O I
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>>379113376
I take it you never had a SNES?

>>379111543
Moms not getting sex banning stuff since 1950.

>>379111543
I'm for it because every covered up titty was worth the trade to get sunglasses hitler in P2.

>>379113802
Broadcast television is soon a thing of the past anyway.

>>379113376
no

>>379112440
>>379112690
>It's another "my preference absolves any concern I might otherwise have" episode.

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>when asked about his thoughts on 2B's vast collection of artwork on the internet the dev asked for someone to collect all the images for him so he can zip it and distribute it to everyone

>>379113983
Back then we were too innocent to notice butchered content. It's not the same as now even if it could be worse back then.

>"let's go hunting for somnething to be upset about"

>>379113628
That's kind of the tricky part with Nintendo still being in the business at all.
Their biggest consumer market is the manchildren who grew up with Nintendo, yet Nintendo still wants a family friendly appearance and will continue marketing for a younger audience. Even if games like Fire Emblem have a more adult story (except not really in Fates's case)
So it leads to really fucking odd decision making on Nintendo's part that downright gives the impression that they're out of touch with their audience (Paper Mario Color Splash and that Animal Crossing Amiibo game, for example.)

>>379114058
Until explicit sexual content and all words are available censorship will always be a thing.

>>379111543
It's there choice. If they don't want my money they don't get it.

>>379114361
... what

I don't know. But it was hilarious in Persona 1.

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>>379114169

>Being "concerned" about video game localization

>>379114169
This.

>>379113032
If you prefer right that's your own business but publishers should at least provide an option to uncensor the game for those who prefer left, like a free patch or something in the menu. Some games let you toggle blood on and off, why not a have a titty toggle?

>>379111543
I couldn't care less about it, let the weebs that fret about their penises not getting hard screech and howl.

>>379114491
>Localizers are out of touch with their audience, and willing to alter the vision of artists.
>This isn't anything to be concerned about.

>>379114169
>>379114820

>when localizing a game, make sure to only translate dialogue and never actually shift cultural aspects to their appropriate regional tastes, such as changing clothing to reflect fashion preferences in the region you're localizing for

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>>379113681
>some of the attempts at censorship can be quite funny.

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>>379114850
>Implying covering skin is merely a fashion statement.
>Implying the original fashion wouldn't work in other regions.

>>379114820
It's not something I'm concerned with. I'll keep buying them. It's not my problem. If it's a good game, it's a good game. Putting more clothes on some anime cartoon girl isn't going to change my experience.

>>379114850
But they not doing that. They changing stuff to not offend soccor moms and newly born holocaust survivors.

Funny how usa has the freeist freedom of speech yet censors the most.

>>379111543
In this particular instance censor is better

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>>379111543
Always bad
Muh cultural localisation
Muh morals
Muh only governments count as censors

>>379111543

i dont care

>>379115125
If the censorship won't change your experience, then why did they bother to censor at all?

>>379114212
gonna need the mega link for research purposes

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>>379114245
>Back then we were too innocent to notice butchered content.
You mean too oblivious.

The whole situation surrounding Mortal Kombat was well known enough to see discussion in Congress.

>>379111543
I can't get behind any "anti-censorship" movements because they always either focus exclusively on sexual content or devolve into straight-up console wars, neither of which I care about.

>>379115335
I honestly don't know. Presumably they think they have a more marketable product with the changes.

My point is that I don't give a shit either way.

>>379115468

but then came mortal kombat 2 and there was blood and gore for everyone

>>379111543
>What do you think of Censorship in video games?

Censorship of anything is inherently bad. But I'm probably a vocal minority on this issue, as there's no shortage of /v/irgins with double-standards when it comes to content they don't like.

I think the video game industry will have made substantial progress when we can see half-nude lolis, unfiltered boobs and penises, unfiltered cursing, graphic violence and outwardly LGBT characters all rolled into one game without anything being "toned down" for Western audiences.

Make it happen, Japan.

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>>379114820
>the vision of artists
>this meme again
As long as gameplay is not altered, nobody should give a shit.

>>379111543
You can't learn Japanese. Smug bitch is right too.

All hail our Burger SJW overlords!

>>379115362
You have literally all of the tools available to you to get it yourself given that image, you fucking idiot

>>379115509
>My point is that I don't give a shit either way.
If you have no dog in this fight, then why are you going out of your way to tell people? I mean, what can we even do with your opinion?

They 're making pointless changes, and that's something I'm concerned about. If you're not concerned, then cool. But voicing your indifference doesn't contribute to discussion.

>>379114424
Censorship literally happens all around you.

>>379113376
Tokyo Mirage Sessions was absolutely butchered.

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>>379114850
Yeah it would be terrible for people to learn about other cultures. Pic related it's fucking "jelly donuts" because ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' L O C A L I Z A T I O N ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' is so great

>>379114169
>catering to other people's preference instead of MY PREFERENCES is censorship

>>379113936
Its not really censorship is the developers changed something.

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>>379111543
pointless
i don't see the point in such a minor change, who does this please? i can only assume it's to make it slightly more kid friendly, but if that's tbe kind of stuff you can find in a game kids shouldn't be playing it anyway.
unless the person pictured is 13 or something, in which case I can understand. unfortunately it would be too weird to normies to have sexualised kids, even if a minorty would like it

>>379111543
>M rating means 17 and up
>17 year olds can't handle softcore porn or even nudity
>but they can handle vid related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aECzfk-Biuo

hows that bible culture westcucks?

>>379113376
No.

But what was released in the West was basically no longer the same game.

>>379115774
The topic was "what do you think about Censorship in video games," and I answered.

Voicing my indifference helps you understand that not everyone is up in arms about this, which may be an obstacle for you if you want to influence them to stop doing it.

>>379115692
>Gameplay is the only thing that matters meme.
Wouldn't it cost them a lot less just to make all the characters grey rectangles? Why do they even put all that effort into modelling? So long as the gameplay is intact, gray blocks are fine.

>>379111543
depends what it is
covering up a pair of tiddies? who gives a fuck?
changing an entire series of side quests ala bravely second? holy shit why would you do that

>>379115782
How do you define "absolutely butchered"?

Most i remember is changing 3 character costumes and removing hit springs dlc.

>>379115905
Americans openly love killing and guns.

They're also the biggest porn consumers, conseratives as well.

>>379115847
>Devs have their own vision.
>There's an audience for it.
>But fuck that, change it to MY preference.

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>>379115869
>its not really censorship if the developers changed something

I understand that sometimes some countries have rules saying that a game can't have shit (like nazi shit in germany) and in that case it's more of a "it sucks but whattaya gonna do".

What I don't like is when they change things and pretend like we don't notice, as though the internet doesn't exist.

Nothing. I'm from germany and you don't even know how good you have it. Wanna know what real censorship feels like? They released duke nukem 3D on ps vita like a year or two ago. The game is fucking banned in germany. And you complain about some fucking clothes. Try playing fucking left for dead 2 with reduced blood and without any dismemberment. You can go fuck yourself if you cry over a covered up tummy or some other shit.

>>379115571
Holy shit, this.

>wahhh i cant jack off to my naked waifu

who cares, weirdo

>>379111543

It's hard to care too much when it's usually in bad games. I don't think it should be censored, but fanservice is garbage.

>>379115023

In fairness Japan did that too for the PSP version because the law about irl people being portrayed wasn't a thing when the PS1 version came out.

>>379115745
>All hail our Burger SJW overlords!

Nintendo has been censoring this stuff since long before the advent of the Internet and your SJW boogeyman. It's always been a mix of Nintendo's own retarded conceptions about the West, and overly religious soccer moms who don't want their teenage sons to succumb to the unholy temptation of human flesh.

>>379111543
Its never okay.
The only people who get assblasted over cute 2D girls in skimpy clothes are feminists.

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>>379115774
the entire discussion is pointless m8. It's the exact same thread every single thread.
>censorship is bad mkay
>i agree yea
>now hold on i think it's justified
>its never justified
>i don't really care
>you should care
>well i don't
>then shut up
>no
>artist's vision
>different cultures
there exactly what every single goddamn one of these threads boils down to.
but we'll go through with it every single time because bitching is all we can do here.

Censorship is a cancer growing in human civilization. It's supporters are tumors that should be removed before they kill the patient.

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>>379116243
Nintendo has actual feminists localizing their games though.

>>379115571
I really can't wait until the day I can see an uncensored pair of anime tiddies on a console game.

>>379113802
Nigger we've had people fuck eachother on public television and do so much drugs it'd make Keith Richards blush and required an on standby ambulance during shooting (pun intended).

This problem does not originate from my country. I cannot fix this.

The less embarrassing otaku garbage in my games, the better.

>>379114850
Is this supposed to be a strawman because this is 100% what they should do. Who would even disagree with this?

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I don't care all that much about sexual censorship in vidya since I can look at actual titties/sex online whenever I want. If I have the option I'd rather have an uncensored version but it's not really a dealbreaker until it starts affecting the story/gameplay.

>>379111543

I've been very strongly opposed to censorship in any form since before most of /v/ was born, so I'm not a fan of it in games, even minor bullshit, even when stuff I don't care about (like bikinis in a horror game) are censored.

>>379116397
if such a fuss was made for dead or alive extreme beach volleyball, don't expect that anytime soon

>Giving yourself reasons to be upset

For what purpose?

>>379116396
most companies have actual feminists working for them

>>379116152
>a problem is not a problem anymore if there's a bigger problems
what a retarded mindset.

by your stupid logic,
there's kids dying in wars now,
and you're complaining about banned Video Games?
Grow up, manchild.

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It's not a big deal, since you can literally look at the uncensored pic you posted right there. Pretty sure it's easy to find some gameplay on youtube if you need movement as well.

>inb4 le man throwing Nintendo hat away maymay

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>>379112760
You've never played Earthbound?

>>379116320
and you don't have to reply. the reason most continue to have this conversation is because those who are for censorship are objectively wrong. gotta slap down these cuckservative moralfags every now and then.

>>379111543
meh, who cares, weaboos will still fap to one on the right, eventually you will see her naked on some r34

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>>379116613
Doesn't excuse anything and definitely doesn't mean they get to change things that they find """""misogynist""""

>>379115930
Fair enough. I mean, you didn't really answer the topic directly, but whatever.

Still, I'm well aware that there are people like you out there. And that sucks. Because you should care about purity of creation, and not allowing out of touch localizers stifle it. Should you get incensed? No, I'm not saying that. But to be at complete 0 on the topic, is kind of lame.

>>379116320
Well the only reasons these conversations go longer than 10 posts, is for the fact that half of these people who pretend to to care, actually do care. Otherwise, they would simply stop replying when they have nothing more to say.
Truth of the matter, is that people play the "I don't care, and neither should you" game, as a way to placate others. Make everyone apathetic like themselves.

If it's something cosmetic like a costume, then it doesn't really matter as long as the game is alright.

But if it's some bullshit like changing elements of a story or character, or worse gameplay, to appeal to a different audience, then yeah there's no excuse. Can't really support that.

Of course, /v/ has trouble telling apart tits and ass from gameplay half the time so it's redundant to ask that here.

>>379116625
>there's kids dying in wars now, and you're complaining about banned Video Games?

Not him but there is a point there. I mean how comfortable is your existence that this is what you're finding problems with in life?

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>>379116961
It's about the principle

If it's not of a cerebral nature then I don't give a damn. That's what porn is for.

>>379113475
Game is Seven Knights if you or anyone else was still curious

>>379116961
this

>>379116584
I know, I'm not holding my breath. Just makes me kinda sad that fan service in games always has to hold back. Not something I lose sleep over or anything though.

>>379116373
It's just edgy fags who feel the need to support any sort of petty authority figure there is. It's classic contrarianism

Censorship is stupid, but I would rather have some tiddies covered up than the shit that happened to Fire Emblem and happens to other games.


Fucking Lunar on Sega CD, I will never forget, Working Designs; never.

>>379116961
But what characters wear, is a part of what characterizes them.
Also, video games are in large part a medium where aesthetics matter.

>>379112760
>HAHA I MADE A SWASTIKA. WAIT TIL MOM GETS A LOAD OF ME!

>>379117038
a problem is a problem,
be it big or small in scale.

do we have to boil down to who got the biggest problem of them all?
measuring who have the biggest dick?

why would you give a free pass to the dev and not point out the problem that exists?

i bet you're one of those retards not minding being brainwash because you simply don't care

>>379114169
It does. Basic/highcut/thong leotards get me harder than anything else, no matter how much skin is shown.

>>379116632
>Not a big deal
Ok, then put it back in.

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>>379111543
Not the most censored but one with the most retarded censorship.
They censored face touching for fuck sake.
FACE. TOUCHING.

>>379111543

I'm not a fan, but I can at least understand it if it's a situation where the game is something that has a reasonable chance of doing well with normies in 'murica if it just shaves off a handful of unimportant things that were put in to pander to horny otaku.

When it gets fucking stupid is a situation like Tokyo Mirage Sessions, which was never ever going to do well with anyone outside of the weeaboo crowd, *especially* when they decided not to spend money on a dub. They should have left the tiddy and vagina bones the fuck alone on that one.

>>379117326
When it's gameplay you know these people still don't care. They're apathetic cool guys to the very end, even when it comes to Germany butchering games.

>>379117501
Who cares I don't care about anything the devs are right no matter what you horny fag look at me im appealing to authorit

>>379117178
Oh boy here we go

>>379116882
Well I mean, convince me this is an actual problem! If games being sold in the US were being censored by law to remove references to historical events; public figures; certain "dangerous" political, religious, or philosophical ideas, I'd be disturbed. It would also likely extend beyond video games.

I don't WANT companies to remove mild sexual content when they release their games over here, but they do it for economical reasons. The only thing you can do is try to make it clear to them that their product will sell better if they don't censor them, so those of you who boycott companies that do this have the right idea. But if I'm looking forward to a game and they do something like put more clothes on a character, I'm still going to buy it. On the other hand, if it's a story driven game and I hear that the translation completely butchers the story, I'll not purchase it. It's case by case, and not something I consider to be a rampant problem in the games industry.

At least they aren't doing silly things like making US versions of games easier than the Japanese versions anymore.

>>379111543
I find the censorship of X rated games pretty hilarious.

What I don't think some people understand is that censorship has always been a thing in human history, and it's something everyone does to some degree as long as it's beneficial to do so. In WW2 every government of the Allies powers censored any media that portrayed the Axis nations in a positive light, believing that such work could cause internal unrest.

You can't get rid of censorship entirely, it will always be there, it's in human nature to remove anything that disadvantages you.

>>379116373
>growing

It's always been there. Even the Roman Republic utilized vast censorship networks.

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>>379117759
>they do it for economical reasons.
Ah yes, the "censorship boosts sales in the west" meme. My favorite /v/ meme.

>>379114212
I bet the fucking asshole didn't source a single one of them.

ok here's a thought, how about we just push all those "offended" to not pay attention to the thing they are offended over? an example: i'm a huge pussy so I won't even look in the direction of a horror game. That being said, the only horror games as of late that I know about is "prey". So why don't we just tell them that if they don't like it, to not pay attention? that way there will be no "censorship" because those who would be offended would not even buy the product

>>379118121
I'm not claiming that it works, I'm saying that's why they do it.

>>379118121

Not him but it's the reverse. It's not "censorship boosts sales in the west", it's "a lack of censorship will hurt sales in the west" because of people who started things like the Rapelay incident, a game that wasn't even sold in the west.

>>379118190
>So why don't we just tell them that if they don't like it, to not pay attention?

Because that doesn't work when someone believes they have a moral obligation to oppose something.

>>379113030
NeoGAF, Anita Sarkeesian, feminazis, etc.

>>379115362
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>>379117759
>Well I mean, convince me this is an actual problem!
How can I, when you only care about yourself? If I tell you that it hurts the artists vision, then it get's blown off. If I tell you that it hurts the people who don't share your preference, then you just reiterate what your preference is. How can I convince you to consider others than yourself?

I'm not even asking you to boycott and rabble-rouse. I'm just saying you should give an ounce of care. Maybe when the next anon over is getting upset, you actually have words of support, instead of "well I think the new version looks better".

>>379118228
how is a bikini comparable to fucking rape??

>>379118352

To moral busybodies, there really is no difference. Because it's something they oppose being depicted in media.

>>379111543
Depends on what it is, if it's cosmetic stuff that doesn't affect anything, then whatever
But if straight up scenes and shit are changed completely or removed then it becomes a huge problem

>>379118334
I've been surfing through the twitter for 20 minutes, thank you anon

>>379111543
If it needs to be censored is shouldn't be released uncensored anywhere else.

>>379118421
>>379118228
I don't think anyone remembers rapelay outside of the bowels of the internet.

>>379117759
Shame that Xenoblade Chronicles X is a victim of both. That localization absolutely butchered it.

>>379117420
Swatiskas aren't inherently bad.

>>379116062
>costumes changing to show zero skin, despite them not even being that fanservicy (the wedding dress)
>Remove vagina bones
>No spring dlc
>photographer dungeon completely redesigned both plot and looks wise
>monster with boobs has a shity pixel cloud covering her chest.

And that's just a few...

>>379113030
the far right and the far left

>>379118572

Every eroge company in Japan was terrified of bringing over their work to the US specifically because of Rapelay, before some small groups were willing to take the risk. That is the reason brought up time and again by multiple companies in interviews.

>>379115779
I am aware.

I am not sure why you think I wouldn't be.

>>379118741
Coincidentally the far right and far left are the reasons I like sling bikinis.

>>379118741
Liberals aren't the far left, stupid. Nobody who is pro-capitalism and pro-economic privilege is "left" at all.

>>379111543
My dick is still hard, I see nothing wrong.

>>379117425
It may be a problem to you.

Doesn't mean it's a problem to the developer that it's a problem to you.

>>379118870
Why are you doublespacing after the post number? I bet you would get super defensive if I called you reddit.

>That is the reason brought up time and again by multiple companies in interviews.
Perhaps it was for Eroge companies years ago. But we're talking about non-porn games, years after the fact.

>>379111543
If it doesn't effect the gameplay then I don't care, I know some people think it ruins """"ART"""" but just admit you want to look at tiddies

>>379116636
There's a de-censored patch.

>>379118352
>>379118121

IT comes from the USA not udnrstanding the concept of J-pop idols.

For japan is A-OK but for USA it's super sleezy sounding. "Why are these school students allowing themselves to be put in sexy bikinis!?" and all that.

Even xenoblade X wasn't as edited as #FE because despite Lyn, it was still a fantasy world vs "real" tokyo.

No, I'm not defending Xeno X either. I'm just saying #FE is MOER edited because these reasons (or so I theorize). Don't think I'm defending anyone.

>>379118345
> If I tell you that it hurts the artists vision, then it get's blown off.

I'm sympathetic to that. It's between the game designer and the publisher, and they often have to make compromises I don't like. I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, but in return for funding the development of a game, the publisher can say what gets published where. Only market forces will stop them from making these silly changes. If the designer is truly concerned about their artistic vision being published intact, they need to go indie OR find a publisher who is supportive. They make the decision to trade some control for the funding and resources a publisher makes.

>>379118870
I don't blame them, hell to butcher a batman quote "if there is a 1% possibility, we need to take it as an absolute certainty" if there were a risk people would freak out, and they would considering today's society, I wouldn't want to localize certain games either. the time and money they would put in would not be worth the bad press and potential lost revenue.

>>379115785
I remember some anon saying he actually went to Krispy Kreme or somewhere looking for those.

>>379111543

Absolutely inexcusable. I've been thinking about getting a Switch but I haven't owned a Nintendo console since the DS/Gamecube. I actually forgot how bad Nintendo has gotten about censorship.

Between that and content being locked behind those fucking McDonald's toys in games like BotW, I just don't think I can be arsed to put up with Nintendo's bullshit.

>>379119174
>implying it isn't sleazy

Keep in mind that for most companies, this isn't for moral reasons. They just want to make more $$$, and for whatever reason they think this will do that.
>>379119115
>Why are you doublespacing after the post number?

So that if I quote a bunch of posts in a row it isn't just this giant block of text. That triggers my autism.

>Perhaps it was for Eroge companies years ago.
These interviews were relatively recently, actually. Japan just assumed that America would still act the way it did about Rapelay.

>But we're talking about non-porn games
What other games are worth playing?

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>>379111543
if its censored im not buying it.

>>379119174
>Even xenoblade X wasn't as edited as #FE
But it was still edited nonetheless despite being a fantasy world.

>>379119282
It is, but it's a common acceptance in japan.

USA still has the idea of "Oh japan likes udnerage girls!" as the only way they do thigns, so it's twice as sleezy for them.

>>379119369

The Cold War was over, and there were probably laws in place about alcohol usage in NES games.

Give me one instance in anything where censorship is acceptable. You can't.

>>379119482
If you mean idol culture, it's true. You're saying that as if it's a false conclusion.
Not that USA is so innocent. I've seen some pretty terrible things in Hollywood movies and American reality shows. Probably more corrupted than Japan's cancerous Idol culture.

>>379119707
Deleting spam from a public forum.

>>379119431
Again, I never said Xeno X wasn't censored. I'm just saying the difference between "censored but you can still put /some/ girls in bunny suits" vs "We literally removed hip bones and covered a perfectly normal wedding dress because it may offend"

Yes Xenoblade x's censorship was still a lot and nuts, but I just want to learn why #FE specially got hyper fucked above other games.

>>379119493
Nobody was legally forbidden from depicting anything in a video game back then, it was 1987 not 1984.

>>379119707

You're fighting a war (not just a small one, a major war where tens of thousands die every day on the front lines) against a nation that is determined to destroy you. There are people within your nation that may be harboring sympathies for the enemy nation, and you know there is print media out there willing to make articles that would inflame anti-government sentiments. Censorship is the only reasonable option when fighting a war of annihilation.

You should have said just videogames.

>>379119958
anon, there was no need to be a smartass. I understand the way the anon said it was up to interpretation, but use your brain here. we're discussing the virtual world not the real one

>>379114169
Nigga Right makes them tiddies look bigger. Left they look pretty small.

>>379119190
I'm not really concerned with the publisher in whole. Just the crew they hire to localize games. Because, it's my opinion that the executives in these businesses don't have the time and attention to closely inspect localization. They hire people to handle that. So they trust that the localizers know what they're doing when they decide boobs need to be covered up.

And market forces won't do shit, because a few covered boobs won't stop people from buying the game. The needle won't move regardless. So you have this situation where the publishers perpetually believe censorship is working like a placebo, since there's no real way measure it's effects.

It's really the job of the localizer to see what they can get away with, and then if execs question content, they should make the case for it's inclusion. But as you can see from tweets and such, localizers are the ones gleefully sanitizing work. That's just twisted.

Do I have an answer for that? No. But it concerns me.

>>379119718
It wasn't my intention to make it sound as if the idol culture isn't sleezy and corrupted. Sorry if it sounded that.

My point was more that DESPITE its real sleezyness, it a common practice and something of japan's culture that is not 100% exact with the US. My theory on the ehavy censorship came of the idea that the US sees the concept as forein so for them it add an extra layer of "I don't know how to tackle this" layer to it. (And yes, is ironic given a lot of the sleeze of Hollywood)

There's also the theory that the ERSB (maybe because of this) was leaning on rating the game M in the US (The original Not Yet Rated trailers have signs that say "This may be rated mature") so Nintendo didn't want one of the main Nintendo IPs, specially now that FE sells good internationally, to have a mature rating so they pushed ATLUS to make it so it falls to T with whatever emans necessary.

After all, its been confirmed ATLUS localized the game despite the changes rather than the Treehouse.

>>379111543
Sauce?

>>379111543
what game?

>>379119314
>So that if I quote a bunch of posts in a row it isn't just this giant block of text. That triggers my autism.
What? That doesn't make any sense. The post number has an underline, so that it's distinct from text below it. You don't need an underline and a space. Grouping isn't a bad thing. It actually makes it easier to read.

>These interviews were relatively recently, actually.
I need proof. That rapelay stuff was like 7-8 years ago.

>being so thirsty that a video game character showing less skin is enough to trigger you
You people have really shitty priorities

>>379120391
Japan's culture is just different from the US's culture, nothing wrong with that. Every country should be able to have their own and should protect them, like how Japan has been intentionally de-westernizing their vocabulary for the past few decades after borrowing so much from Europe, and we all know they change things when they're localized for Japan. America should fix their own problems in the pedophilic tv and film industry before worrying about censoring games though.

>>379115468
what a shitty pic, its not even remotely accurate

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>All these censorship apologists in /v/

>>379120589
>What? That doesn't make any sense. The post number has an underline, so that it's distinct from text below it.

Because I like making everything uniform. It's why I dislike reddit, because indentation-based posting means the posts don't all start with the same alignment on the left-hand side.

>>379121078
The newer Peanuts movie was pretty good.

>>379115945

False dilemma

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>>379119174

>IT comes from the USA not udnrstanding the concept of J-pop idols.

Teen starlets. We have those here too. Or are you too young to remember how popular Britney Spears was when she was seventeen and dancing around dressed in a slutty Catholic Schoolgirl outfit?

>>379111543
it's terrible and there is rarely ever a good reason for it
ultimately it's usually a minor thing that gets "localized" and isn't worth complaining about, but it's still a nonsensical practice

>>379120826
For sure. I just wanted to see where they were coming from for the sake of learning.

Just cause you try and see it from the other perspective means you agree with it.

I just find fascinating how #FE's censorship is so...specific. Xenoblade gets things removed but not as edite, Bravely Default gets edited but not 100% gone; FE Awakening gets a edited curtain but the lewd figure is still there.

Th effort they went to remove and change shit in #FE is both disgusting AND impressive. Specially given everything I said is speculation and we really don't know the exact reason for changes other than the generic "to fit better audiences"

>>379111543
Who censored them?

>>379121078
Its the neogaf invasion.

I don't like it, but so long as the game as a whole.is intact, then typically I don't mind. Really stupid shit like "these jelly doughnuts are delicious" triggers mw though

>>379121292
It just adds to the paradox that is the US' view on sexuality. We do that shit yet still freak the fuck out when your animated fantasy women show too much boobs.

with all this talk of censorship...i'm thinking about buying "shuffle" on steam....even though it's an all age version, it's 50% off....what do you guys think?

>>379121231
Of course it is. It's meant to get you thinking about what level of aesthetic pleasure you're expecting from games. And realize that you have standards. Thus, if you have standards, then you're forced to justify why your standards are important, but other people's standards aren't.

>>379121147
Unnecessary spacing makes the post less uniform. The line directly below the post number is meant to be the first. You skipping that line breaks format.

>>379121474
There is no paradox.

The people that freak out about a little skin are a small minority that have become more noticeable because of the increased flow of information.

If everyone would just tell them to shut the fuck up and go away then we wouldn't have to deal with them anymore but instead people try to compromise to make everyone happy, which just emboldens them. Then the cycle repeats.

>>379121078
>thinking that it is anything more than trolling just for a response
That's all that most of /v/ is at this point.

>>379111543
Censorship is for fags. No wonder /v/ is all for it.

>>379121340
Looking at other localization companies within the US, they mostly try to underplay sexual themes that involve minors, but usually have some respect for the lore and artistic vision of the game too. The Nintendo Treehouse is uniquely frivolous with superficial changes. They are the 4kids of video games.

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>>379121078
Actually, you know what really gets me about some censorship apologists?

The ones that are from the "games are art" crowd. Why the fuck would you support the medium as an art form and still support its censorship? That's probably the worst thing you can do to a piece of art. The hypocrisy is mind blowing.

And you know what? I'm in the "games are art" camp, myself. Which is why I feel so strongly about censorship to begin with.

Just because you don't see any artistic value in lewd costumes doesn't mean others don't, you closed minded fucks.

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>>379111543
Censorship is cancer that should never be done and is never justified. Every instance of a publisher claiming that they needed to alter content to allow the game to pass through the ESRB or PEGI has been unfounded at best and an outright proven lie at worst.
Every time you buy a censored game you are supporting the practice and giving publishers more ground to censor shit more in the future, just look at Bravely Default and the sequel.

>>379121078
What's the sauce on the chinese cartoon?

>>379111543
I'd rather not have it but depending on the changes it might only have a negligible impact.

>>379116070
>They're also the biggest porn consumers

Thought that was one of the Asian Countries?

>>379111543
It shouldn't exist.

>>379122427
You can't seriously be this new.

>>379121534

False dilemma is a fallacy. It's the illusion of having only two choicea.when there are in fact more.

There has never been a situation where a developer had to strip a game down to grey pixels due to censorship.

>>379117532
/v/ is obviously not going to be particularly concerned about German releases being censored as most of /v/ does not live in Germany and German releases are rarely the same as rest of the world releases. I'm an Ausfag and our releases get censored all the time too, but whatever man, I can just import the proper version of the game. The problem is when the only localised release is a censored release and there is no alternative to your local censored version.

>>379121797
>trolling
Anon most of these people are being serious. /v/ has pretended to be retarded for so long it's actually become retarded.

>>379122582
You're totally missing his point. Visuals matter in games. Maybe not as much as gameplay, but they still matter.

A change in visuals affects the enjoyment of many players.

>>379116405
If you don't like it stick to stuff like Battlefield and leave our 2D titties alone.

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>>379111543
It's never justified.

>>379122582
I know what a false dilemma is. I intentionally set it up, because I wanted you to recognize that there are degrees. This "as long as the gameplay is not altered" argument is obviously bullshit. To say such a thing is disingenuous. You're not admitting that aesthetics matter. Because if you did admit that, then you would actually need to justify why one aesthetic is acceptable, and the other isn't.

>>379115782
>Tokyo Mirage Sessions was absolutely butchered.

I know. It was butchered from being a proper SMT and FE crossover

>>379111543
This is why I hacked my 3ds

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>>379119174
If you say so.

>>379117420
I make swastikas as a peaceful protest against government censorship

>>379122040
You hit the nail on the head. Thew problem is they think that games can be art, but only the ones they like are art. Therefore all the other ones that they do not like are trash and can be changed or eliminated however they feel like.

>>379121491
If there's no official uncensor patch you should not be giving them your money.
If there's an official uncensor patch and you have to buy it (eg Nekopara) you should not be giving them your money.
If there's an official uncensor patch and it's freely distributed by the dev / publisher then there's no reason not to support it.

>>379114820
If the artist's vision is to have an 8-year-old in a thong, then their vision isn't worth preserving.

>>379124492
this is censorship

>>379124492
By what measure?

>>379123876
>Take picture of minor in swimsuit at the beach
>"Woooo beach day!!"
>Draw minor in swimsuit at the beach
>"Uuuuh can you not??"
If the drawing being because of something MEN GRR related then what about the women artists?

>>379124681
"Internalised misogyny."

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>>379121078
It's mostly Nintendo fans. I hope.

>>379124984
People keep saying "it's ok when it doesn't affect the story" while ignoring that Fatal Frame V's censorship did affect the story.

>>379124409
I agree, but Nekopara is a different case. The censorship is to get around Steam's policies and the Steam version is literally half the price of the regular version with the decensor patch making up the rest of the price.

>>379124984
What irks me is that they censored an M rated game.

>>379125167
The censored content is not 50% of the game. They are fucking over the people who want the uncensored product.

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>>379124984
It IS Nintendo fans.
They'll bitch and bitch and bitch when ANY other company panders to SJWs.
But when Nintendo does it? Totally fine. They'll even argue that its good because it fights """"""degeneracy""""""

>>379111543
Censorship is shit, but so are many of the games that suffer from it, like the pic in the OP.

>>379114212
>might be some doubles
Don't we have software solutions to this problem?

Fine with censorship if its on the original content as i find myself thinking why every character has to have a fair amount of skin showing when they all don't have a slutty persona. Also it limits a huge variety of outfit designs.

If they edit the optional outfits that you can choose not too wear like dlc or unlockable costumes then yeah that sucks.

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Why do they actually do it? Especially in m-rated games. Do they want to be able to say they did more work when they send the bill to the parent companies? Or are they just changing what they personally don't like? Is it both?

>>379124984
No one ever proved that Rapp had a hand in censoring games.
And when they failed to do that, they tried to dig up dirt, eventually finding her college paper, and proceeding to attack her for allegedly supporting child porn, contacting Nintendo in an attempt to get her fired.
When *that* failed, they eventually found out she was moonlighting as an escort, and then proceeded to contact Nintendo, successfully getting her fired.

All because she *looked* like a SJW.

>>379111543
Give zero shits. I gain nothing by looking at an exposed pair of tits in game. It literally doesn't matter unless actual story content is being censored.

>>379125274
How, is anyone being fucked over when costs the same? Unless you're arguing that if they didn't need to do this roundabout method for Steam, all versions would be cheaper but neither of us know if that's true.

>>379125804
See
>>379125106

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>>379125682
They have a personal moral opposition to the content and/or believe that they are making the game better by changing it and/or that they are helping society by removing problematic content.

>>379125407
It's not even the entire Nintendo fanbase who does it. Doesn't excuse the idiots who do defend that kind of shit, though, but you can be blatantly against censorship and still be a Nintendo fan. After all, it's the treehouse's fault that the games are getting censored, not Nintendo of Japan.

It's simple, really, always import the japanese copy of a game if possible rather than buying the localized version. Probably the quickest and easiest way of telling the localizers that they should stop censoring their games for literally no reason other than winning SJW points.

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>Hey /v/, this new game was censored!
>Oh really, what was changed? References to religion? Offensive substances? Violence?

>What? No, so anyways, in the Japanese version, you can dress this kawaii uguu anime girl up in a sugoi bikini outfit--

>>379125849
Not that anon, but if the censorship devalues the product to some people, while it still costs the same, then they're actually paying more than what they feel the product is worth.

>>379118548
The super secret is that japan's cero rating is 100 times more strict than the esrb. Anyone claiming that a game from japan that has been rated D or lower over there and that it would receive an AO over here is lying out their ass.

>>379118724
That last one is only during a cutscene.

Her in-game model is unchanged.

Also, although the artwork in the dungeon is altered, the story is still largely the same.

I do agree that changing the age of Tsubasa was pointless if they were gonna change her swimsuit anyways.

>>379122427
I'll be nice and tell you that it's probably one of the Neon Genesis Evangelion movies.

>>379126019
Just because its something you don't care about doesn't make it not censorship.

>>379125572
Hydrus net?
Probably

>>379125407
the bottom ones are more interesting, also the clothes give them more character and help to remove the shitty realization they all have the same stock standard body and also how painfully average it is.

If i really wanted to see anime girls in bikini i would go to some ero.

>>379126019
1. There's no reason to diminish the value of sexual content like you're doing.
2. How often are those other changes made today? Are there examples of religious, drug, or violent content getting censored?

>>379126019
>Japanese game for weeb
>better censor it up

as smart as publish fifa and censor the ball

>>379124409
>>379125167
>uncensor patch costs money
I was not aware of this. Time to pirate.

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>>379126305
the clothes suck though

>>379126305
>the bottom ones are more interesting, also the clothes give them more character
Nice contrarian opinion. They look like Hannah Montana clothes.
Thanks for proving my point btw

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>anime girl wearing pantsu
>censor gives her spats instead

>its ok ____________ it.

>>379125849
Scenario A: Uncensor patch is free, game costs $20. Everyone pays for the same game, everyone can access the uncensor patch for free, no favouritism is shown.
Scenario B: Uncensor patch is free, game costs $10. Everyone benefits except Sekai Project.
Scenario C: Uncensor patch costs $10, game costs $10. People wanting the uncensored product are forced to pay more.

There are multiple problems with what they're doing in scenario C (the one that happened). As said, they're forcing people who want the uncensored product to shell out the same cost of the base game for the uncensor patch, which is not 50% of the game's content. That pricing is entirely unfair from a content to price standpoint and from a standpoint of forcing people who want the complete product to pay more for it (you know, just like shit being removed and sold as on-disc DLC, something /v/ universally hates). It is also setting a bad precedent as there is nothing stopping the price ratio for the uncensor patches to become even worse in the future.
Yes, you could argue that people who don't want the uncensored content are benefiting, but they are only benefiting at the expense of those who do want the uncensored product, and that is a grave concern.

It's dumb but if it's just cosmetic shit it's not that bad.

Shit like Fates or FE is unacceptable though.

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>>379126019
If it's so insignificant, why change it in the first place?

>>379126345
>Are there examples of religious, drug, or violent content getting censored?
Yep, Xenoblade X changed a whole bunch of religious terms while the original Xenoblade changed the Bionis and Mechonis from "dead gods" to "titans".

Of course the most obvious reason people get upset about costume changes is because those changes and their impact are immediately visibly obvious, whereas censorship of a script requires more thought.

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>>379126076
Pic related. It's also quite obvious that it's an intentional push to have things change when the publishers make zero attempt to pass the unedited version (or as Tom said in an earlier cap, actually communicate with the ESRB and PEGI for free and listen to them, which Ghostlight only did half of here), and they also refuse to make separate versions for separate regions. Atlus have recently censored a spanking scene in Utawarerumono Mask of Deception, claiming that it would be banned in Europe otherwise, which is absolute bullshit.

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>>379126485
Localization teams should do this more often.

>>379125903
That...makes no sense. If it did affect the story, then that corresponds with my post saying that that form of censorship isn't okay. Also what's Fatal Frame

>>379126389
>>379126397
i can tell you guys can't see past your boner.

the clothes fit their location, the clothes are a bit pop-y but work as outfits girls might wear.

If this was the made for the game instead of being a censor there would be more thought and effort put into them.

>>379126305
But you already have those clothes in the Japanese version, so your point is moot. All the US version did is remove content.

>>379126585
Ask the people doing the censoring, but you shouldn't care as much as you do.

>>379114169
Some people have different preferences, yes.

>>379126802
Well that sucks. You're right, that should get talked about more.
Though, "titan" in mythological terms, is something of a deific being. I'm not really well versed in mythology or anything, so I can't say for certain if it has the same meaning. probably not.

>>379126485
>>379127018

>>379114169

>>379127094
You haven't actually played the game, have you?

>>379127151
It's nice that you only think about yourself.

>>379127094
>the clothes fit their location, the clothes are a bit pop-y but work as outfits girls might wear.
They're doing a photo shoot, you retard. They're gravure idols.

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>>379126485
>thinking I can't beat my dick to a girl in spats

>>379127094
i'm flaccid at the moment

>>379127142
So then why do you care so much that other people care so much?

>>379127094
You have not played the game

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>censor removes shoes and socks

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>>379111543
>tfw playing JP seven knights and no one to talk about it with

>>379122045
Why is Tom such a fucking baller? What does it take to become a man like him?

>>379111543

Don't like it. I'll generally avoid games that do it unless they have a good excuse (possible AO rating, for example). Nintendo's recent changes in particular make no sense, even under the guise of trying to remain family friendly.

>oh man, we need to get rid if these bikinis and pelvic shading, this is a family friendly company!
>of course we'll leave the outfit where the main heroine's giant boobs are practically falling out, and put it all over the advertising material. No reason to change that

Doesn't really make sense.

>>379127126
the most accomodating option would be to include both, thats fine.
>>379127229
no yet the image also does not explain the full context saying whether these are extra costumes or are normal costumes for that scene/level what have you, if you wanted a proper response and to make a proper argument to that specific case in the image you would provide background context next to the image.

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>>379127094
>i can tell you guys can't see past your boner.
If only that were the case.

>>379127524
It's Nintendo dude. :^)

>>379127278
I don't. I don't like censorship and I think left is better, but I understand some people may prefer certain changes.

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>>379127142
>you shouldn't care as much as you do

Why not? Bad localizations are never a good thing.

>>379127094

Bruh, what woman do you know that thinks spats, thigh high socks, a vest over a t-shirt and a backwards baseball cap is a good look? And those zebra overalls on the left look absolutely retarded. It's all the stupid of an anime wardrobe with none of the aesthetic appeal.

>>379127746
And I don't understand people prefer certain changes?
I would be willing to set my preferences aside, if it meant the betterment of the game.

>>379126573
I get it now but I don't think you actually understand the situation. There are 2 places you can buy Nekopara, DLsite and Steam. DLsite allows sexual content, so there's no censored version there.

DLsite version: Game costs $20. No decensor patch needed. Total: $20
Censored Steam version: Game costs $10. Decensor patch costs $10. Total: $20

Unlike your scenario, the base game is $20 and no one is being forced to pay more.

>>379127647
further more, the image just looks like a promotional screen anyway. But for the sake of argument if it was supposed to be the normal clothes for those characters or they all wore quite revealing clothes i say the bottom image is better suited, but these are most likely dlc/extra costumes which is fine since its optional and not story related.

Japan censors more than America and weebs always complain about the American part, never the Japan

Yea, let's just ignore the fact how backwards their censorship laws are why don't we, while shitting on the west

>>379127926
These examples are kind of confusing without being able to compare them to the censored/uncensored counterparts.

>>379127524
Now, I can understand Nintendo doing this kind of thing for a game rated T or lower, but M rated games shouldn't have the same primary target audience as other games, so they should be allowed more freedoms as long as they don't cause an AO rating. NoA's recent localization efforts raise a lot of questions when it comes to the integrity of the staff working on games aimed at older players. Does anyone know when this really started to become noticeable recently? They were pretty bad even in the SNES era, but I thought they had gotten better until people started pointing stuff out in recent games.

>>379115468
>'murrica

>>379127986
Which is great, but don't expect everyone to be as dedicated in it as you are.

>>379115468
Someone pull up doom for the SNES.

>>379128091
>but Japan does it
Who gives a fuck. The argument is against censorship period. If Japan is censoring their version of whatever western game they get that's on them and their shitty laws. In the glorious country of Freedomland I don't want to see my shit getting censored. And I assume Europeans feel the same.

>>379128091
What I know of their censorship laws, or at least the trends I've seen in their media, is that they have to censor genitals even in porn and that they're stricter on showing blood and gore. The second one makes sense honestly because kids playing stuff are going to get more upset by violence than from, please excuse my lewdness, but the top of a woman's cleavage.

>>379128353
Why not? Is it a bad thing to be expected of? Expectations can be course altering.

>>379128131
Nothing on the left side is present in the localized version and the right side is Treehouse working their magic. What's not pictured is the atrocious voice acting (also thanks to Treehouse).

>>379111543
it's trash and any game that does it is worse off for it, and actively shitting on their consumer base.

>>379128589
I figured it out already. It just took me a second, because I'm sued to seeing before and after. Yet here, there is no before and after. Just some things on the left, and some other things on the right.

>>379128015

The issue being that VN's really can't go above 10$ on Steam if they want to sell, so it's basically punitive to those that want the full experience. Four sex scenes are not content worth double the base game. Given that they need to drag the price down to put it on Steam whether it has sex scenes or not, it doesn't really make sense to point at the jap release. VNs just aren't worth that much to the western audience, and given how few people buy the patch I'd say the uncensor patches aren't worth that much either.

It's also worth noting that therw are cases where those patches are 20$ or more for a 10$ VN, I think one was 40$. They use the same logic, "the jap release is 60 bucks so you're paying the same".

>>379127948
those don't looks like spats more like metallic shorts, if they are spats then they were used because they probably have them in some asset library because spats are common in japanese games. If its was the original costume if would have proper shorts and not spats.

>>379127517
It takes having balls.

>>379127647
see >>379127292

>>379127524
>I'll generally avoid games that do it unless they have a good excuse (possible AO rating, for example).
Not one of the complained about examples from the last several years ever risked this. Not Monster Monpiece, not Dungeon Travellers 2, not Criminal Girls, not Senran Kagura SV EU, not anything.

>>379128084
>dlc/extra costumes which is fine since its optional and not story related
If only
https://youtu.be/AsjWqCHPZ0w?t=277

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>>379128131

>>379122906
>American bride
>Showing all that face skin

Wear a hijab you fucking whore.

>>379114491
Yes goyim, just accept it.Its no big deal.

>>379129106

I'm inclined to believe Atlus when they said DT2 had issues. They changed very little, and I can see why the ESRB would have a problem with those specific CGs. A naked loli sucking on a """"""""mushroom""""""""" is probably a step too far for them.

>>379128015
You've just totally ignored most of my post, so I'm not sure what you're hoping to prove. The removed content is not 50% of the game, and thus does not warrant half the game's cost. People wanting the uncensored game are being charged extra while people who don't care about the censored content are benefiting at the expense of those that do.
People who want the uncensored game are being forced to pay more. This is obvious and objective, and it sets a bad precedent.

>>379125262
THIS! If a game is rated M, leave it the fuck alone.

>>379128091
Have you considered that we're not Japanese and thus obviously aren't going to be concerned over what's happening on their side of the pond, you dumb shit?

>>379111543
it makes me wonder why liberals/lefties have decided to taint my hobbies

were movies and comics not enough for them?

>>379127524
see
>>379126076

>>379129236
Uhh... That's the conversation that got cutout I suppose? it would be better to grab screens of the Japanese version, and then put them side my side with the English version. So it would be clearer that the conversation was cut out. If you want to get fancy, you could subtitle the English dialog on the Japanese side, so people can read what they are missing.

>>379118605
Is there a way to play the nippon version with english subs?

>>379124659
idiot formalist

>>379127926
Thank fucking god they didn't butcher FE Echoes. They left it alone and released it with everything intact.

>>379123876
USA, and Japan are both degenerate

>>379116632
>desu is displeased
But that's boku

>>379128870

That really doesn't make a difference, it's a mess of an outfit. If you ditched the thigh highs and hat it would be wearable, but also incredibly bland.

>>379129037
cheers, now just edit that image with that sentence so people who haven't played the game know that.

>>379129386
>A naked loli sucking on a """"""""mushroom""""""""" is probably a step too far for them.
So you don't even know what you're talking about. They censored 3 rather innocuous images of lolis being half-dressed and one image of a much older woman sucking on the penis monster. Only the last one of those would have possibly posed a problem, the lolis were just censored for the hell of it. And as everyone has pointed out, they never made any attempt to pass the uncensored content, they just said "guys it totally would've been banned, please believe us". And Atlus have no credibility with them since censoring a non-sexual spanking scene in Mask of Deception, claiming that would have been banned, even saying it was specifically only a problem with Europe and yet censoring it worldwide anyway.

>>379129914
Do it yourself you lazy passive-aggressive cunt.

>>379128139
Funny though around GC and Wii era, censorship was almost non-existant and now its coming back which sucks ass.

>>379128091

Their censorship laws are laughable. They also aren't our problem and don't effect us (directly, at least).

waaaah they covered up some underage boobs it's the end of the world

>>379111543
>seven knights

Good times, I used to shill this game when it was korea only. Was top 200 in the arena but had to delete the game because I was spending way too fucking much money. Are the SEVEN KNIGHTS units still top tier or have they been surpassed? I quit around the panda patch.

>>379129798
I'll boku your pico.

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>>379130079
>around GC and Wii era, censorship was almost non-existant
It's getting worse now than it was then, but saying it was "almost non-existant" back then is plain wrong.

>>379130134
>underage
They censor adult women too.

>>379130134
If it doesn't matter, then why change it?

>>379130274
because they wanted to do so and have the rights to do so

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>>379129607
>Lots of people who share your hobby don't like certain aspects about it that you happen to like, or at least be OK with
>Instead of accepting this, construct a fantasy where these people aren't actually a part of your hobby
>They're just weird outsiders who like to take all the fun out of various forms of media for their own amusement

>>379129674
>me am dum. me am need purdy pictures to explain image even doh me am already explained it meself

>>379130381
Name one.

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>>379130381
>>They're just weird outsiders who like to take all the fun out of various forms of media for their own amusement
Yeah, pretty much.

>>379111543
Love it, it gives me an excuse to pirate.
I'd pirate everything regardless of course because it's free.

>>379117287

What happened? I'm curious, it was one of my favorite games.

>>379130381
>They're just weird outsiders who like to take all the fun out of various forms of media for their own amusement

Bingo. See >>379116396

>>379111543
There's a time and place for it, but both of these have long since past for most things.
It was begrudgingly accepted on the nes and snes since they were tyrants about what got on their systems back in the day, and you wanted on a nintendo system back then.
Even then the most common examples back then were not having crosses, blood and alcohol. (even though every game with alcohol just changed it to "cider" or some shit, even parents were groaning at that one)

Now we have m rated games having loose cut clothing toned down, but are still rated m, making any normal person ask "what was the point of that?"
And there is no point.
It's not going to sell more, anyone who would have been offended by it was never going to buy it either way, and it just makes for a lesser quality product for the people who do buy it and often turns those people away from it lowering potential sales.

Parents buy their kids the most hyper violent games out there these days, if you're less concerned about that than little jimmy catching some polygonal sideboob then you probably need to rethink your priorities.

>>379111543
yet another example of how normies ruin everything

>>379130373
And it's our right to boycott then, all's well that ends well.

>>379129467
I didn't ignore anything, we just seem to have different perspectives. I don't think anyone is being charged extra because the full game costs $20 regardless of where you buy it. People who don't want the censored content are benefiting by paying less but not at anybody's expense. The 50% ratio could be decreased sure, but that doesn't actually benefit either group of consumers.
Unless I'm misunderstanding, you see the base game as $10 with the sexual content costing an extra $10 on top. I don't think that's the case in this specific scenario, because the game can be seen to cost $20 on DLsite.

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>>379124492
>He doesn't like thong clad lolis
Anon, I...

>>379130381
>These people "share your hobby"
>Proceed to tell you you aren't allowed to like your hobby and your hobby is wrong

Go fuck yourself.

>>379111543
Don't like it, but there's literally nothing you can do about it. Unless you happen to be a billionaire that wants to take over having all of these games localized so that you can personally ensure nothing is ever censored, we'll always be fucked.

>>379130381
>They're just weird outsiders who like to take all the fun out of various forms of media for their own amusement

Yes? If you hate Japanese games, why the fuck are you working on them instead of working for EA or Activision?

>>379130057
lazy? no one did it in the first place, everyone who wants to use that image to give basis to their opinion of censorship ruining this specific game are lazy themselves.

Looking into gravure a bit more, they actually do photoshoots in a lot more than just bikinis and swimsuits meaning the censorship does work fine for them being gravure models.

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>>379130846
The game costs $10 on Steam. The uncensor patch costs $10. The DLSite version is the base game plus the uncensor patch for $20, aka $10 each. Thus, people only getting the censored base game on Steam are paying $10, and anyone buying the game plus the uncensor patch are shelling out an extra $10. People paying to get the full product are paying more.

How hard is this to understand?

>>379130921
That's just vulgar.
Having the loli fully clothed, and _______ her without removing her clothes, merely pushing her panty aside a little bit is the patrician fetish.

>>379113376
Let's be honest here, the petting minigame was stupid and cringe.

>>379131143
The problem is the story was specifically about showing off a lot of skin. They literally had to rewrite parts of the game to accommodate their censored designs.