> He can't one-shot kill anymore What will /v/ complain now?

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>>379076381
1 more bullet and and a better rate of fire, it's not that bad. And it's still easy to OS with a head shot

>>379076381
I'm gonna complain about the fact that he can't one-shot kill anymore

More importantly, why haven't they nerfed Tracer yet? Bitch is impossible to keep still because her zippy move has nearly no cooldown.

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>>379076954
>these are the shitters that blizzard caters to

I hate the gun now not because it can't 1 shot kill but he just feels faster than he should
Feels like a fat scout from tf2

>>379077051

>the game is perfect and balanced and anyone who complains about anything is a shitter

(you)

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I'm in ecstasy because of this change
No longer will this fat faggot be able to go off on a mad flank and get ez free kills
No longer will he get those retarded accidental oneshots when he turns a corner and you're too close to him
He's actually going to have to work with his team instead of being the be-all end-all of his hook's lethality

People who are good with him will still get hella value and the people who just pick him because he's a better reaper/mccree will get shit on

Speaking of which Reaper will actually have a decent fucking chance of killing hog now, which hasn't been the case for AGES

>>379076381
I hated having roadhogs as my co-tank when they played flankhog and couldn't even get hooks. hope he's put into a pick that you'll be reported for using. there was never a bigger crutch hero than roadhog.

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>>379076954
>I can't kill this mediocre hero
>Bliz plz halp

>>379077051

Very nice Gal-O

Post more

>>379076954
Tracer is surely one of the most annoying character but just grab her once and it's done.

>>379077191
This. Reaper will fuck everything up now

good luck with rapid fire shotgun

>>379077345
>Tracer
>Mediocre
what universe are you living in. She's not RETARDEDLY OP but she's really fucking good.
>>379077398
I'm sure shitters will cry and the lifesteal will be nerfed to like 5% within the week, like what happened with Bastion.

>>379076551
He straight up has over 10% less DPS now.

>No more roadhogs on the enemy team
How the fuck am I supposed to get easy ult?

Reaper. Just wait for it.
>WAAAAHHHH, I CAN'T KILL REAPER AS TANK ANYMORE

>>379077521
>She's not RETARDEDLY OP but she's really fucking good.
She's merely decent, and a lucky shot from most heroes means she's dead.

Shit game, garbage balance, the only thing OW cucks do is bitch all day and try to "make it" competitively in a game that's more shallow than fucking Smash Bros. The redditors who enjoy this game should have a trip forced on them so that you can know their taste is garbage across the whole board and filter them.

>>379077556
Nigga both teams usually have a Roadhog. Kinda like how both teams always have a Lucio/Mercy.

>>379077521
They'll surely cry a lot like >>379077631
said but I don't think they'll nerf him that hard. 5% is way too low

>>379077664
>Has an escape ability second only to Sombra's that also heals her if she had more health in the past
>Zip ability cools down so fast that she can be back to three blinks by the time she finishes going for a health pack
>None of the healers have any way to deal with her except for a godly/lucky Zenyatta
She's not just "decent" and there are very few characters that can oneshot her.
>>379077815
Yeah and 20% is too low to help Bastions at all but here we are

>>379077631
I mean, healers for the most part accept that a tracer\genji is going to fucking murder them without help, time for tanks to learn.

>>379077706
I can see and feel the fedora and neckbeard as you say this.

>>379077527
Well with all the cries about him it's not really that bad. They could have nerfed him even harder, I'm ok with this.

>>379078127
It's still bullshit.

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>>379078006
>Healers being weak to someone is proof of their overpowered-ness

>>379077706
Stop trying to act like Overwatch is the second LoL.

It's not nearly as bad and the playerbase isn't either.

really screws with his character too. you really got that psycho killer vibe when going around hooking those innocent, squishy heroes. now i cant pretend to play in a horror movie

>>379078051
I can see the fat rolls and twitch streams in the background as you say this.

junkrat is still pretty garbage

>nerf the only tank that doesn't have a shitty shield mechanic
I hope you enjoy shooting even more shields now, goy.

>>379076954
Dude, holy shit you fucking suck. It sounds like you've never actually played her, and a 3 second cooldown for a blink is quite a bit for her to zip around constantly like you say. She's one of the most balanced heroes in the game, try playing her and not getting instakilled in one second

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>>379078006
>None of the healers have any way to deal with her except for a godly/lucky Zenyatta

Are you retarded? Ana can sleep-dart her, and Ana's bio grenade does 100 damage while her rifle does 60 damage. All she has to do is land one shot on Tracer and she has to recall otherwise she risk being naded.

>>379078201
Ho ho hey buckarooni, I think you may have had yourself an aneurysm because if you will recall back in my post right about here >>379077521 I said that she WASN'T OP. Maybe you should get yourself to a hospital to make sure you don't lose more precious brain cells or maybe you could learn to fucking read.

It's fine. I always picked him in arcade 3v3 if I want to be a cheap shit to get a win.
Now only people who are good at him will be rewarded. Any shitter can play him decently.

>>379078343
Yeah im-fucking-plying a decent Tracer would let themselves get hit by the delay-fire sleep dart that has travel time.

And yes, Ana's grenade is still fucking broken, we know.

>>379078386
And then they went and changed 3v3 so even he isn't as dominant there anymore.

>>379076381
thank fucking god. reaper mains rejoice everywhere. fat fuck was reaper the entire time until the shitty hook combo was nerfed, and now that's out of the way we can finally enter the age of renaissance

>>379076954
>pick zenyatta
>kill her by throwing a couple of balls

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Well they need to fix the mmr i got placed in sliver when i finished plat last season iam gonna blow my fucking brains out. Inb4 git gud, i went 7/3 for my placements

>>379078343
Its borderline impossible to land a dark on even a mediocre Tracer. Stop talking out of your ass.

>>379078306

Doesn't work that way :D

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People who complain about Roadhog are people who never play him
Roadhogs WAS a one-trick pony, whose job was to run out solo and pick people off
How is this no fucking different to any sniper or any other one-shot kill hero
Just about every other hero counter his abilities
And his ulti gets hard-countered by half the roster.

The is World of Warcraft level of balancing, and look how that Carebear game turned out.

Here's a fucking novel thought--make him a fucking melee hero.
>Changed Scattergun out for his machete
>Machete alt+fire can throw it but leaves him disarmed for the cooldown duration
>He can run and pick it up for a shorter cooldown

>>379078510
*picks soldier and shoots you from a distance*

>>379077631
Reaper had no hard counters when he was relevant, so people will definitely bitch about him now. His counter for the past 8 months has been own shitty self being a worse Roadhog. However Reaper's kit is one of the few in the game perfectly attuned for his purpose. Only effective at close range, but has more survivability to close that gap. I still consider Roadhog a DPS character but at least now he has the more tank-like role of having to stick with his team rather than flanking around like Reaper, Genji, and Tracer are supposed to do.

>>379078640
Blizzard already addressed this.

Roadhog was a tank who could play like a flanker, only problem was he was always being played like a flanker and doing a better job than any other flanker in the game because he would never lose a 1v1 in nearly all scenarios.

He was never played like a tank and never had to play with his team, now he will need his teams help to finish off out of place targets he pulls in with his hook.

>>379078640
Every character who can OS is unfun to play against. Period.

>>379078361
You said she wasn't "RETARDEDLY" OP. That doesn't imply she's not still OP.

>>379078640
>Can still force people out of their position and put them in extremely unfavorable grounds
>Can still drop people off cliffs
>Can still heal yourself for three hundred fucking points which also massively charges your ult
>So long as you have one other competent person near you, the people who used to get oneshot will still die immediately after the hook because that one other competent person will take the opportunity to shoot them while they're stunned
>Implying Roadhog being able to 1v1 every hero was a good thing

>>379078452
>>379078570
You're both absolutely retarded if you think landing a sleep dart on a Tracer is hard, or just not good at aiming.

Again, all you gotta do is land one shot on her and she has to back out/recall because your grenade will kill her with the 90hp she'll have after you shoot her.

For the record, Ana's rifle is hitscan when you are scoped in.

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>>379076381
Excuse me, what are you talking about?

Roadhog isn't even that good though. Have you considered just having better positioning? Also you can block or dodge the hook? Also you have to be genuinely retarded if you're complaining about being one shotted when at best its a pseudo-one shot. He has to hook you, shoot you and melee you in order to kill lots of heroes. Unless you're literally just standing in front of him at two thirds health, he shouldn't be able to actually one shot you, in which case, sorry anon, but you're the shitter.

>>379078845
Then remove fucking Widowmaker

>>379078813
He still can't be played like a tank. Tanks defend their teammates, Roadhog's idea of defense is to aid the enemy team by being a big fat target (+ tank points) that charges their ults (- tank points). The only person Roadhog tanks for is himself.

>>379079026
>widow on enemy team
>poke out of corner
>die
>it's a good widowmaker so she changed positions after murdering half your team
>get behind rein shield to find her
>rein lowers it to firestrike
>die
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>379078939
>Hitting a tracer thats strafing all around you while zoomed in
>Hitting a tracer with a dart
Yeah man thats why I always see these Ana's dropping Tracers left and right.

You realize Ana dies in one mag to headshots + melee right?

Zenyatta is fucking OP if you jump around and WASD like a retard because no one knows how to aim in this damn game

>>379078939
Honestly I forgot about Ana because I fucking hate her so much
>>379078848
"Retardedly" was put in as a comic exaggeration to ape how shitters who cry about shit they don't understand phrase things. If you read on, I said she's "really fucking good," not OP.

>>379079079
He's a tank for flankers, now he has to work with them instead of doing 100% of the job himself.

>>379078640

Widow has a high skill cap. Roadhog has a low skill cap.

Roadhog has self sustain and health, widow does not.

He's a tank that can easily 1v1 all hero's in the game.

A tank should not have this much power.

>>379079151
Zen has one of the biggest goddamn hitboxes in the game from my personal experience. I never have trouble hitting him from a mile away. I've hooked a Zen from the backlines while the hook ignores three other people.

>>379079013
Actually at the moment on Live roadhog is able to oneshot a lot of people without even hooking them.

It's happened to me quite often and I've subsequently gone and tested it in custom games with friends. I don't remember who all it's possible to straight up oneshot but I do recall Reaper being one of them.

>>379078905
>Pulling half the roster towards Roadhog is a death sentence if he can't one-shot them
>Pulling the other half will use a counter-escape

Here's another novel thought
>Make damage cancel out his heal if he gets hit early enough into it

Take fucking notes Blizzard

>>379079151
Zenyatta has a hitbox almost as wide as roadhog's ass. If you're having trouble hitting the least mobile character in the game you should consider suicide

>>379079153
Because "really fucking good" could never ever translate to "I think she's overpowered?" Well golly, I don't see how ANYONE could mistake what you were saying.

>>379079293
I sure hope they ain't.
You got no clue about anything.

>>379078790
Reaper cant touch pharah + mercy which is still fairly prevalent

>>379078939
Put your money where your mouth is and upload a video since it's so easy.

>>379079137
Quick-scoping is a thing you know. Unlike widowmaker, you don't have to charge up the shot to do full damage.

You do realize that a lot of heroes die to Tracer in one mag to headshots + melee right? In fact, a lot of heroes can kill another hero with one mag to headshots + melee.

>>379079383
I wouldn't describe a character as being any variant of good if I thought they were overpowered. I would have just said "she's not super op but she is op."

I think you're just mad because you can't into nuance

>>379079270
I already wen over this in another thread before--the only two heroes that don't counter a Roadhog after a pull is Bastion and 76. Otherwise, pulling just about every other hero they either have an escape, a counter, or just plain faceroll their WASD keys against someone with a low-rate of fire.

>>379078640
When did "novel" become synonymous with "fucking stupid"? Because that idea is fucking stupid.

Genji still needs to be removed from the game.

>>379079456
Not only that but he's got a pretty big hitbox for an assault hero and he's very vulnerable to Hanzo, who is actually being played a lot more with the recent changes.

>>379079293
Nah, I always figured his Hook shouldnt stun and should just root them in place for the same duration.

That way Roadhog has to use his fucking brain when he hooks someone instead of just IMMEDIATELY upon seeing someone.

>>379079551
Or you know, your team can help you by shooting them for half a second while they're completely stationary.

Why is it that every roadhog counterpoint completely avoids the fact that if you run around with someone else (HINT: NOT PLAYING LIKE A SOLO FLANKER AS A TANK) they will die anyways.

>>379079508
>Quickscoping is a thing
Nope, you don't get the benefit of the hitscan until you are fully scoped on Ana. Widow has a charge up mechanic that accomplishes the same thing.
Quickscoping is absolutely not a thing in OW.

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>>379079524
You were mad enough to respond with >>379078361
You lose the right to respond with "YOU MAD" after calling someone "buckarooni."

>>379079389
So you're okay with Blizzard's level of balancing?

Because it fucking sounds like you're okay with this fucking level of balancing

>>379079583
He's not even OP, the fuck are you on?

>>379078939
One shot + grenade is 120 damage total, but it doesn't change all that much in the long run if you have a teammate that even looks in her direction afterwards

>>379076381

Pharmercy

>>379079293
That will fucking make him dead in the water.
Thank god a moron like you doesn't balance.

Actually the reaper change was exactly what I was posting before. Only thing more I said was to make his teleport quicker. His teleport takes way too long.

>>379079727
Just because I'm not okay with blizzard's balancing doesn't mean I'll be okay with yours, idiot.

>>379079663
This
Also Zenyatta and Mercy still exist. A discord or a damage boost will effectively give pig back his ebin oneshots.
>>379079704
I'm starting to think maybe you really did have a stroke

>>379079781
I think Widow and Handsoap are popular enough again to combat this, but you may be right.

>>379079792
Then explain how any of these other changes make any sense.

He was a slow, heavy-hitter hero who was built around soloing--WHY DO PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND THIS.

>>379079728
He's cancerous.

>>379079902
BECAUSE IT WAS COMPLETE CANCER TO PLAY AGAINST, THERE WAS NO TRICK BESIDES "DONT GET NEAR ROADHOG"
Jesus fucking christ you niggers are dumb.

>>379079854
Responding well after you don't have any ammunition left, you could not be more mad.

>>379079902
>Built around soloing
Yeah, and that's a really fucking stupid thing to do in a team game like overwatch.

Hey, let's make a hero that can kill every other hero in a 1v1 and kill most of them in one fucking shot. Then let's give that hero 600 fucking health and a self heal for half that.

>>379079984
Just learn to dodge the hook retard. It's not hard and half the cast has direct counters to it if you pay attention and react to it.

>>379080019
Whatever you say man, I just hope the hemorrhaging doesn't cause too much perminant damage

>>379076381
>bitch about character who can one shot you close by

>no bitching about characters who can one shot you across the fucking map

Die all of you

>>379079504
I don't upload much of my content to YouTube and have to regularly delete what I record because I record in near lossless.

Here is some content of me playing Mei with decent aim, against a Tracer towards the middle even.
[YouTube] Showing Some Mei Gameplay (embed)

You need to think about positioning and timing. Tracer only has 3 blinks, with 3sec CDs. Once she exhausts those she'll probably only have 1 blink. You have to force her to blink, don't play her game. If you let her blink when she feels like it, of course she'll never run out of blinks.

>>379079695
Perhaps you and I have different definitions of quickscoping. I did just fine with Ana when I played healer some seasons ago.

>>379079769
Well fuck. I swear it did 100 damage. Oh well, good for me then since I've been practicing a lot of Tracer since I played her A LOT during The Uprising event.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj8UP3PSmJo

>>379080085
roadhog apologists are the worst.

>>379080107
Hanzo and Widow bow to superior big Gorilla cock.

>>379079504
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djLrd3NNEhw
Link to the Mei gameplay. Idk why it's not linked properly in >>379080161

>>379080085
>Just learn to dodge the hook retard.

Learn to play something that isn't handed free kills, roadnigger main.

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>>379080105
>perminant

>>379079902

A tank with 600 health should not be able to solo anyone.

D.VA can barely solo anyone unless you time your barrier well. She can counter pharah sometimes but a smart one can easily get away.

>>379080190
Gorilla dick is tiny as fuck though.

>>379080308
Not Winston's. Genetically altered for her pleasure.

>>379080085
>JUST DODGE THE HOOK MAN
>IT'S NOT LIKE IT HAS A HITBOX THE SIZE OF A FRIDGE OR ANYTHING
>AND IT'S NOT LIKE ITS RANGE IS ROUGHLY THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE EARTH AND ALPHA CENTAURI

Consolefag
They need to remove Torb's Turret Nerf because teammates can't aim at Pharah

>>379080365
My favorite is how you can just delete anyone you want if you hook people standing near a ledge or throw them by breaking it on purpose and they're just like "this is completely fair"

>>379080282
Oh are we resorting to mocking typos now? I'm pretty sure this level of pettiness indicates that not only are you steaming in your chair, but also that I've won this argument.

Sombra can easily counter Tracer

>>379080365
>see roadhog
>start moving left
>see hook
>start moving right

Wow that was extremely difficult mechanically to completely neutralize an entire character

>>379076381
>Roadhog loses his only decent weapon

Into the trash he goes.

>>379080542
>see roadhog
>start moving left
>see hook
>start moving right
>get hooked anyways
>get deleted

>>379080542
Yeah because it always goes like that, and being able to focus your attention on foiling a single character on the enemy team will always be an option when bullets are flying everywhere.
>See Roadhog
>oops he's already hooked you because he was crouchwalking and you didn't notice him till it was too late

>See Roadhog
>oops you're in a doorway with nowhere to juke

>See Roadhog
>oops you're too close to him for any amount of juke to save you

>See Roadhog
>oops his hook flew through three of your teammates and got you

>>379078813
roadhog is a shitty tank anyway

compared to the stuff reinhardt and dva could do he does a shit job actually tanking like a tank is supposed to

it's like how they called symmetra a support before even thought she was basically the same as torb
all those labels do is mess with people's expectations

>>379080484
Shhhh don't tell the baddies

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>>379080190
Yeah that's true but there are still plenty of characters who will get ouf of jail free after being hooked, completely ignoring the effects

Mei uses ice
Reaper phantoms away
Genji reflects or dashes away/behind you or double jumps and does one of those two things.
Soldier 76 puts down the healing
Mercy flies away like a little bitch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ana

Everyone with a movement option is just going to vanish, making Roadhog a completely worthless character. He's already only mid-tier at best, now they're blanding him into another reaper with a big health box and self heal .

Here's a picture of Rosalina eating someone.

>>379078813

If you need your team's help now might as well play one of the other tanks, you'd probably do better.

>>379080829
It's almost like it will require a bit of a team effort now instead of being el pubstar roadhog going off alone and getting the eblin ganks

I just play Zenyatta in public matches.

Sometimes I try to corral my team by pointing out Discorded enemies, other times I just do it on whichever they focused on. Just shoot what remains and I get the medals.

>>379081008
I dunno, I'm only one person

But having played 70 hours of roadhog I almost never go off by myself since that's antithetical to the game's base mechanics.

Whenever I'm not roadhog (someone else took him) I always hang nearby to help finish off the people he hooks esp tanks or any faggot Genji/mei.

>>379081297
>Play Zen
>Slap discord on the hooked target
>Maybe shoot a ball or two if it's a tank
>Done and done

>Some of the abilities would be called hacks in any other game
>Cancer arrow
>Mercy's ult
>Netcode "favors the shooter"

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>>379080761
I always told everyone roadhog isn't really a tank.
>no armor/shield
>huge hitbox/headbox
>no barrier
>no mobility/escape

He has a lot of hp but without any way to mitigate he just dies really quickly if he stays in the middle of the fight.
Sure he has his heal but that makes him stationary so it doesn't allow him to facetank most dps heroes.

Also he doesn't bring any tanking/defense ability to his team.

I liked his niche but now he's just gonna be a weak hero.

>>379080829
S76 would just die if he stayed close to Roadhog, even with healing.

>>379081487
I'm fine with roadhog being weak now. Having a roadhog in a match turned the entire game into some kind of pseudo cover-based shooter where no fun is allowed at any time

>>379076381
I read overwatch threads and it's not really surprising why it's easy to get in the top 1% of this game.

>>379078127
Literally only bronzies cry about him.

>>379082590
>picked constantly in pro scene because he's so broken
>only bronzies care
you're retarded

>roadhog isn't ez-mode hook spam and get free kills anymore
might be worth playing now

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>>379077345
Why is hero discussion allowed without anyone posting this?

It pretty much always btfo any argument that any bronze shitter on /v/ has.

>>379076381
People will just find some other bullshit to complain about until Blizzard nerfs it, like they always do.

Take your guess - will it be Pharah? Maybe Tracer, who knows!

>>379083162
People are already complaining about Pharah, so when other characters have the heat taken off them Pharah will default into the spotlight.

>>379080791
lmao, I love when sombras try to hack me
>hacked
>turn around and shoot her face
>she dies in half a clip while her massive spray bullets barely graze you
>hack wears off
>continue zipping
if you're dying to sombra as tracer, you either have shit positioning or bad aim, or both

>>379083162
>implying pharah isn't op
just stop

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>>379076381
>majority of this board not complaining about the most OP hero in the game
/v/ truly is brain dead

>>379082975
Except he isn't, he hasn't been a top level mainstay since tank meta. He's an alright pick, but he hasn't been broken since hook 2.0

>>379083465
he is literally a top level mainstay right now, you autist

>>379083078
this chart implies that mercy and zenyatta are sub par despite the fact that zenyatta in particular is regarded as one of the best heroes in game because of his discord orb. Simply because retards are too stupid to see the usefulness of a hero and then choose not to pick them does not make that hero bad.
Subsequently, just because a fotm hero is picked a lot doesn't make that hero op.
This chart is quite literally worthless

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>>379081426
oh shit

THat's really fucking clever, why didn't I think of doing that?

Hot damn. Next time someone locks roadhog I'll support them as zenyatta. Thx for the protip.

>>379083519
Why are you talking about pro play if you don't watch it? There's tourneys on today and literally everyone plays dive flexing onto triple tank with no hog. Only selfless still runs hog as a mainstay and even they run triple dps most of the time.

>>379083680
>all that fat
>she still has a flat stomach
???

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>>379083941
People get hashtag triggered when you post a girl with fat on her belly though.

>>379076381
pharmercy

>>379076381
with hog out the way dive metas gonna go into full overdrive

>>379076954
pick ana
sleep her
throw piss at her

BOOOM the dyke is dead

>>379080829
none of these have ever worked for me.

I'd be holding the key down and I'd always get one shot.

>>379083396
>touches you with a tickle gun
>becomes invulnerable for a few seconds
>only die if she has her team behind her

>>379084273
>Hit a projectile with a cast time on a constantly warping enemy

>>379082590
>Bronze cries about a hero that you actually need to know how to aim as when no one in bronze can fucking aim.
Don't say stupid shit.

>>379084348
When the damage nerf comes in you'll be able to

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>>379083078
>tfw your favorite Archetype is 'Defense'
>most are literally useless at High Levels of play and if you do play a Torb or Junk, a lot of people will sperg out

Feels bad.

>>379076381
People simply liking anything is more than enough reason for /v/ to complain about it.

>>379078562
Hey me too! But I stopped giving a shit so I instalock torb every match

>>379078306
Sounds like your looking into a mirror.

>>379077706
>>379078236
it's like LoL but they made it slightly less gay.
like it's definitely a piece of shit still but I guess it's not complete shit.

>>379084615
junkrat is crazy good on maps where zone denial is important

Torbjorn is good but literally everyone plays him wrong. He's not tf2 engineer, you don't babysit turret. You throw that fucker down, upgrade it, then go hunting

you also put his turret down to protect against flankers/infiltrators, not the front line.

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>Gave my main free lifesteal and and free reload after his escape

ayyy

>>379084273
As soon as you hit her with the Grenade she can Recall. Not only will it give her all her health back but it will remove the debuff. Your best bet is to Sleep and have one of your team mates burst her down, preferably a McCree headshot.

>>379085115
Oh, I know how to play both. They're my favorite characters, it just gets incredibly tiresome when dealing with teammates who like to piggyback on Defeats and link them because of team comp. Or even better, when people sabotage games because you're picking an out of meta pick, so they troll.

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>>379076381
>Let's balance the game around shit players
Shit players ARE the majority of the playerbase so it's understandable.

>>379079663
Because that was Roadhog's role to begin with. He sure as shit isn't a tank.

>>379085349
why the fuck would you nade first? You fire and then nade followed by melee.

How do we fix Genji

>>379084348
because you got one-shot, that dude has no idea what he's talking about. after you hook someone hold down M1 and your shot will come out before they can do anything. It will be the same after the nerf, if his M1 is enough to one shot you you will be killed.

>>379085624
Here's a way, make Deflect match the size of his fucking body instead of being the size of Winston's shield bubble.

>>379078562
Silver is fucking terrible, I've been high gold-plat every season before this.

>team comp is a foreign concept
>no one can counter turrets
>fucking junkrat reigns supreme cause people clump together in a convenient conga line

I'd play QP but I'm really not in the mood to play Widow/Hanzo/Genji/Torb/McCree/Me

>>379083078
>Lucio has been 90-100% pick across all game modes, all maps, and all team comps since release
>Even after numerous nerfs
>Even after his 'rework'

So is Blizzard ever going to nerf this hero? Or do they just want an ezpz hero on top?

>>379076381
That the game is boring... I played tf2 10x as much and it never got that boring. They got to pyro, no real engineer, no fucking spy.. half the heroes are just slight variations of each other, and if they were going to do that then they should be releasing the heroes way fucking faster. I have no urge to play it anymore.

>>379086545
>Blizzard reworks Bastion and Symmetra because of "low tournament pick rates"
>They still not picked what-so-ever
>Blizzard reworks Lucio
>makes him better than he ever was before

Simple ebin.

>>379086545
he's not mean.
he's only "credit to team".
blizzard doesn't nerf credit to team heroes.
Why do you think reinhardt and lucio are always top picks? The reason is that people won't bitch about them innately because they're not usually being killed by them. They just prevent teams from dying in more subtle ways than even the other healers and tanks do.

>>379077191
>>379077398
McCree, D.Va and maybe even Sombra will be more important if Reaper becomes too strong.

Although the meta in this game is never about actual counterpicking, it's about mirroring the enemy team so matches are gonna be decided by which Reaper gets the most work done I guess.

>>379078306
>I think what you said is really dumb
>f-f-fatty

>>379076381
Dive is going to be more interesting without him being able to stop people as easily

>>379086757
He's better, but harder to use so it makes sense the pros would get more usage out of him.

Lucio best offense hero.

>Blizz, please nerf Pharah
>She can fly
>She has rockets
>PLS remove one.

>>379086910
I just want to play sombra without being yelled at.
Just give me a chance.

>>379086870
He's a "credit to team" hero that can now dish out damage with no need to put himself in danger. Lucio is fucking cancer.

>>379086757
Symmetra's design is just really bad. She is a pain in the ass to deal with UNLESS you pick Winston and Pharah in which she becomes completely useless.

Her rework should have made her require more skill to play but in return make her more potent for whoever mastered her. But everyone who loves her are the kind of faggots who think that competetive games shouldn't require mechanical skill

>>379079663
>Why is it that every roadhog counterpoint completely avoids the fact that if you run around with someone else

I see this all the time for all kinds of games. A lot of people think "balance" means "I should be able to kill everyone easily as my favorite character" or "anyone I don't like fighting needs to be nerfed". These people don't actually care about teamwork or know how to balance a game. They only want the game to suit them and them alone.

>>379087146
I've played her a couple of times in comp. We lost but my team actually encouraged me and acknowledges that it wasn't my fault, pretty much the opposite that I was the reason why so many of the enemy team's pushes failed.

She is a beast on volzkaya defense, absolutely her best map, but I never bother with her on attack outside of QP.

>>379083645
So retards on /v/ are truly top tier pros and know more than people playing in tournaments?

>Feel like our team is doing bad
>Still win
Why does this happen so often in this game?

>>379076381
Good but its still not enough. They need to completely remove his alt fire. Its the only way to truly fix him.

>>379083645
No, they are literally in the dab middle of the chart which means that they are picked based on situation rather than being "mustpicks" based on meta. Based on this chart they are clearly balanced, not sub par.

>>379087715
Imagine if they actually did this. He would become one of the worst characters.

>>379087797
Tighten up his spread and maybe buff his damage and remove alt fire and he is perfectly fine. He will be a walking zone of death that pulls people to him.

>>379087715
I don't play him often but I've played AGAINST him often enough to learn his spacing. So the few comp matches where I've played him I've absolutely dominated since I can 1-2 shot everything just by spacing correctly. Just save your hook for stunning others and saving teammates.

The funny thing about Roadhog is that he would still be a damn strong hero if he was moved to attack category and reduced to 200HP, just because of his burst damage and the hook.

>>379087615
>Feel like our team is doing good
>Still lose
Why does this happen so often in this game?

>>379083396
>Play Junkrat
>Zarya waddles right at me
>Pop her in the face
>She bubbles
>Keep popping her since shes still walking at me
>Kill her before she can even do significant damage to me
>Don't even need to use the car bomb

>>379083078
Please use an updated chart that wasn't posted during the first tournament.

>>379084615
It's a shame they just can't find a way to make most of the defense heroes viable unless they overbuff the hell out of them.

>>379076381
They didn't need to do that. Just changing his hook stunned to trapped would have been fine. Would of given people a fighting chance.

>>379085415
Balancing around shitters means unbalancing the game. That's what happened in Smash 4 early on. Little Mac got gutted for no reason because newfriends were getting anally annihilated by someone they just had to grab. Now Little Mac is shit.

You should never balance around shit players.

>>379088305
they are all designed around being as annoying as inhumanly possible, it's only fair that they are easily countered.

>>379076381
Pharah, of course. Retards who can only aim at targets if they move horizontally will always complain about her.

>>379088459
There's no point in having weak, annoying heroes.

Hell, most of the heroes are annoying as shit. It's not like defense heroes are literally Techies.

>literally no one complaining about orisa
Feels good to play a tank that's actually fun to play
How do people even play genji btw?
I've only been playing this game for 4 days and i already learned to not shoot his reflect, his rightclick does pitful damage and his left click is slow and deals damage only if you hit all 3 headshots

>>379077051
I fapped to that so much

>>379089058
I like Orisa but she dies to a single scatter arrow. People aren't complaining since she is so mediocre.

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Is my boy finally good?
Can I finally fuck up tanks without that fat cunt killing me in my effective range?

>>379089346
yeah probably. just play ptr and see for yourself

>>379089182
>mediocre
>900hp projected shield every 8 seconds
>huge clip, high firerate, high precision, mediocre damage gun
>re-positioning tool to pull people around corners and guarantee a good 60-70 damage if she fires into it
>50% damage resistance and mei/zarya/winston ult + hook/ice/flashbang immunity on a 10s cooldown
How is she mediocre again?

>>379089482
Not that guy but i love playing reaper even now.
How's the lifesteal compared to the orbs?
Not gonna download several gbs and play on american servers just to find out

>>379089923
because the dive comp is strong and just bypasses her stationary barriers and her 400hp vanishes in a second when she doesn't have her barrier to hide behind.

also genji's right click is stronger than left.

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>>379080829
Holy shit /v/ has to be filled scrubbiest retards on this fucking planet, Roadhog can 100% GUARANTEED kill 200 HP heroes before they can do shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON4Buv-1aZ8

and this guy aint even landing headshots.

>>379078006
Lucio is fine against tracer and genji, and a good ana can sleep them easy

Regardless Tracer is a glass canon, dead if any focus is put on her

>>379090379
Ye, technically the rightclick fires way faster, but you basically need to be in reaper-like range, and even then you do 80ish damage per shot, you need 3 to even kill 200hp heroes, assuming you land all 3 shots even on slim characters.
That's 2.25 seconds.
i guess you could do 2+dash but that assumes
-no heals
-no barriers
-no shields
-no damage resistance
-you hit all 3 shots twice
-they didn't use an ability to get out of the way
-you didn't get misplaced
For a job that a reaper could have done in 1 literally 1 second (140 damage/shot, 2shots/second)

>>379090441
Bait his hook. Pick zarya. Dont stand right next to him. The worst he can do is land a headshot with his alt fire which is arguably a problem since he shouldnt have any range ever.

>>379091337
genji has no problem getting into reaper-like range unlike reaper so

Roadhog SHOULD be a CC tank. Has the most hp, can heal anywhere, drags opponents into his team's line of fire and blasts them away with his ult. He should never have been a good pick for his dps, and picks like him were spearheading the old tank strat.

>>379087571
This chart is all pick rates for every tier, not just pros. zen is picked more by pros because he's a really good character in the hands of a skilled player
>>379087789
Wrong, soldier 76 is a standard pick because he is safe, that doesn't make him overpowered. Lucio isn't op either, he's just braindead easy to play, but if anyone can aim he'll go down just as fast as any other healer.
This chart shows genji and zarya as middling pick rates despite both of these characters being bar none the most popular characters in top 500 with tracer following close behind. In the top 500 Rein is still used more than WInston.
Please, keep your pleb silver opinions to yourself, this chart is worthless for balance. Symmetra is picked even though this chart says she isn't. In competitive she has a 64% win rate. Get better at the game you absolute mongrel

>>379090441
But that's different from what everyone is saying here

And I saw plenty of videos of the ptr with the new hook failing to do over 200 damage.

>people complaining they can't OS anymore
Roadhog is a tank. Stop going off without your team and expecting free kills for landing a magnetic hook.

>>379092894
You're post is wrong in so many ways I can't even figure out where to start on fixing it. You should probably just kys, because you clearly know nothing about OW at any level, much less what top players pick.

>>379093206
>he thinks mcree is bad
good god

>>379081464
>bullets don't go through walls
>headshots are only one hit kills for hanzo and widow, on enemies below 300hp

It's not the worst. Random headshots in counter strike and six siege give me the hiccups

>>379079551
>Otherwise, pulling just about every other hero they either have an escape, a counter, or just plain faceroll their WASD keys against someone with a low-rate of fire.

Hard to do when the hog can literally hold m1 during the hook animation to pop off a shot before the stun is over.

>>379092894

>lucio is braindead easy to play

>after his rework

>>379077051
>>379089109
pls gief name of doujin

>>379093425
>implying he still isn't braindead easy to play
gold detected

>>379092894
soldier is overpowered, also anyone who uses "le silver pleb" as an argument is hard to take seriously

>>379092894
>This chart is all pick rates for every tier

How retarded are you? The chart literally states "Hero usage for pro tournaments"

>>379093472

Not nearly as bad as he used to be. Now you have to be near your allies to heal them not 3000 fucking yards away or some shit.

>>379092968
>But that's different from what everyone is saying here

Everyone is saying Road cant one-shot 200 HP heroes anymore, that they're guaranteed to escape.

>>379083162
Pharah is in a good spot for what she can do. The problem is we have no other fliers and no one with a weak lock on weapon besides Torbjorn to harass her. Same thing with Rein's shield. We need an assault hero with an energy weapon to mitigate him, Zarya, and Symmetra.

>>379079137
well apparently with your experience strafing makes you impossible to hit so Ana won't die in one magazine

>>379080753

>See Roadhog
>You are bastion and even when strafing its impossible to miss

Ahh well, I suppose that makes up for being able to tear through them.

>>379093425
For Lucio's intended purpose, being a Healer, yes he's still braindead easy to play.

>>379076381
that you fags still shit up this board with Overwatch-meta discussion that obviously belongs to the general

>>379094843
>being a Healer
>Lucio
>Healer

Dat bronze is showing