Is Metroid dead?

>Is a nintendo game that isn't Mario, Zelda, or Pokemon dead.

Yes. Next question.

>>379066061
Is Animal Crossing dead?

>>379066356
Remains to be seen

>>379066061
what killed metroid?

>>379066554
nintendo
one million sold per game isnt enough
same reason there's no new princess peach game

>>379066554

Retro turning it into a soulless scanning minigame for a whole trilogy that people pretended was good.

>>379065626

You should define "dead". In my opinion it's just dormant (as far as we know). It's a prestigious series with lots of potential in its universe, but expanding on it in what regards to gameplay is some serious task, plus releasing rehashing for the sake of it is not all that beneficial since the games are kind of niche.

When nintendo feels there's something powerful that can make the series move forward, they will go for it.

And no, I don't think Spin offs really count.

>>379066674
>>379066630
can metroid be saved?

>>379066858

Its pretty clearly dead. Considering Nintendo thought Federation Force would be a good idea, I have literally no faith in them treating the franchise with any kind of respect.

>>379066554
Other M

Sakamoto to be more precise.

>>379066674
>Retro saving it by making games that weren't just Zelda 2 with guns and ayy lmaos
ftfy

>>379067081
wrong, other m tried to save it

>>379066674
this guy knows what's up

ooo

>>379066674
You're right, the Metroid series was completely thriving from 1995 to 2001 and Retro killed its momentum.

>>379066554
Sakamoto, the original creator of Metroid

He made a shit game and got BTFO by Retro.

I can't say it's dead just yet. Not with the rumormill swirling about a possible new Metroid at E3.

If there's nothing this year though, yeah. I'll chalk it up as another dead Nintendo IP.

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>it's another "defending Other M for shitposting purposes" episode

>>379066061
>Forgetting about Fire Emblem

>turn Samus into a sex object in a skin tight suit
>leave the franchise to rot in a Rule 34 fueled pit

t-thanks Nintendo...

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>>379066554
>what killed metroid?

If we don't see a proper Metroid game, even a teaser, at E3 next week, then it's dead.

>>379065626

I ahve that on a t-shirt, pretty neat

>>379067536
I'd rather play Other M than Prime.

It can be brought back whenever they feel like it, and if the announcement is handled well enough, it can generate hype.

But Nintendo seriously doesn't know what the fuck to do with the franchise, and apparently they are too proud and/or xenophobic to give it to the gaijin pigus.

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>>379067336
>wrong, other m tried to save it

and failed. Horribly.

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>>379067383
Yeah, gee, Prime sure killed the Metroid series' momentum.

It over saturated itself by having too many games in a short period of time compared to Nintendo's real heavy hitters.

>>379066554
Ice beams and misiles.

>>379067694
And I'm sure your mum probably would have rather aborted you, but I guess we can't always get what we want in life. Like having Retro take over every other stagnate Nintendo IP and completely rejuvenate them, like they did with DK.

>>379067629
>hundreds of shitty series live to see another day year after year

>series has had hit after hit, nothing but high quality
>one mediocre game releases
>never gets a game again

I hate everything.

>>379067694
I'd rather you die than live

>>379067938
>>one mediocre game releases

Other M was not mediocre. It was shit

>>379066356
If it moves to smartphones, yes.
If we get a switch game at E3, no.

>>379067761
Sarcasm, motherfucker, do you understand it?

>>379067761
>that SM gap

Good god, no wonder people were going nuts for Samus during the Melee trailer.

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>>379065626
If their idea of "keeping it alive" would be more along the lines of Other M and garbage like that, I'd rather it stay dead. I like to think the series as a whole still has a well-respected enough legacy despite the later trash. Unless they can muster the talent to make something new be as good as the old, just let it be.

>>379066061
Pokemon isn't nintendo

Metroid, Super Metroid, Zero Mission, and the three Prime games are all excellent.

The series is averaging one excellent game every five years.

That is pretty good production for a franchise that doesn't really sell that well. Why do metriod fans have this persecution complex?

>>379066554
Other M; no follow up game for 6 years. Let the ip stagnant and basically doomed the franchise to obscurity short of a highly marketed large scale appealing game non-metroid fans can jump on. That isn't going to happen though because you'd have to throw a big budget for that.

>>379068137
>Pokemon isn't nintendo

>>379068205
So where is the excellent game that came five years after Prime 3?

>>379068236
It isn't, nintendo owns like 30% of the pokemon company.

>mfw 2D metroid being announced at e3
>mfw it's for 3ds

>>379068137
It's jointly owned by The Pokemon Company, Game Freak and yes, Nintendo.

>>379065626
No, it's Metroid Dread.

>>379068291
>What does average mean?

>>379068205
>averaging one excellent game every five years
It's been 7 years since the last actual Metroid game, a Metroidvania starring Samus Aran as the playable character. And Other M was by no means excellent. So in actuality, it's been a decade since the last halfway decent Metroid game.

>>379068454
average means absolutely nothing, the average person has one testicle and one ovary

>>379068336
>30% of TPCI
you forgot the controlling interest they have on Creatures Inc anon

>>379068205
fanbase hates everything except their specific favorite, and will relentless shitposting and arguing inbetween acfag telling you the franchise is movie games. Also after Other M, anything that isn't exactly what they want from this franchise will hate it and resent the game without anyone playing it. If there's ever another metriod game, expect nothing to change.

>>379067790
Bullshit.

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>>379066973
This, even if they decided for some reason to make another metroid game it will get treated with all the dignity of drunk man at a wet tshirt contest.

FedFarce literally wasn't even a metroid game, it's ios spinoff tier that they just slapped the metroid name on it since prime is KINDA like a first person shooter and maybe get more sales on the name, which is bad enough, but the last metroid game before that was otherm a near universally reviled game and that was a whopping six years prior, with the last GOOD game in the series being over a whole decade back from FF.

The only good game to come out in the series in over a decade is a fan game. (a 2d game no less!)
If metroid as a series isn't dead yet, I wish it was, if only so nintendo would stop desecrating its corpse.

>>379068594
federation force was a bad game, nobody bought it because it was a bad game
a fanbase isn't obligated to buy every single game released in their favorite series regardless of quality

>>379068774
>FedFarce literally wasn't even a metroid game, it's ios spinoff tier that they just slapped the metroid name on it since prime is KINDA like a first person shooter and maybe get more sales on the name

There was never a moment in Federation Force's development where it wasn't going to have the Metroid name on it. It was designed from the ground up as a Metroid spin-off featuring the Galactic Federation.

>>379068594
We're not entitled, we just want another good fucking game.
>new Metroid game comes out, first new main series game that isn't a Prime title
>it's fucking awful, universally reviled by whole fanbase
>it's like 6 years until another game is announced
>next game is a fucking spinoff for a handheld that uses a completely foreign artstyle and totally lacks the serious tone that the series is known for

>>379069036
worst part is though, the concept in itself is not a bad one
heck people have said for a long time they would like a federation spin-off

Axiom Verge is an excellent Metroid style game.

It sold 140K copies on steam at around $20 a pop.

Those are okay numbers for an indie game, but it's not something Nintendo can justify putting big production values and marketing behind.

Nintendo has to pick its spots for Metroid.

>>379068774
You shouldn't care anymore.
There is nothing to gain out of waiting half a decade for Nintendo to release some shitty game.

>>379065626
Metroid is dead because there's no influx of fresh ideas from new developers, like you're seeing with Breath of the Wild and Mario Odyssey.

None of the new blood at Nintendo are dumb enough to want the reigns for the series with the underperforming sales and the psychotic fanbase.

>>379069143
Even the metacritic User score rates Other M as average. And that is with a bunch of babies giving it 0/10.

It's funny. My little nephew is over and is acting out right now. He is six years old and sounds exactly like you Metroid fans.

>>379069239
on the other hand other m managed to sell almost a million games despite being objectively terrible
it wasn't a top tier brand beforehand but it still had a loyal fanbase and was a well respected series at that point

they have nobody to blame but themselves for fucking that up

>>379068594
I feel sorry for the poor son of a bitch that has to make the next real Metroid game because unless it opens up a time portal that takes fans back to 2002 he will be eaten alive.

>>379069370
>despite being objectively terrible

It's a well-reviewed game that most people who played, enjoyed well enough. It has an extremely vocal minority of haters.

It's not a world-beater, but it's a fine game.

>>379068205
do people really dislike Fusion that much?
I get that everyone blames it for creating Other M, but it's not bad as a game is it?

>>379069413
there was a LOT of initial aversion towards metroid prime as well

I mean, metroid hadn't had a proper game for ages at that point and then suddenly it's given to an inexperienced studio AND it's a bloody 1st person game?

>>379069545
Fans were right to be skeptical because pre-table flip Prime looked awful.

I don't understand how Sakamoto and Tanabe can look at the current state of this series and feel anything other than total humiliation.

>>379069481
it singlehandedly killed the metroid brand mate
virtually all it's sales were in the opening month, after that it dropped dead, when the usual nintendo game tends to sell consistent numbers for several months

and the reason it has decent reviews is pretty simple: the game get's progressively worse and most reviewers only played the first hour in combination with reviewers not wanting to give an entry in a very highly regarded series (at that point) a bad score

>>379067936
They should do Paper Mario

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>>379066674
>>379067336
this

>>379069538
nah, it's just back in the days it was an 8.5 game in a series that somehow consistently managed to produce 9+ games

nobody really hated it but it didn't measure up to the rest of the series giving a bit of a skewed perception

>>379069721
This

>>379069481
Dude. Get fucking real. I remember going into EB games a couple years after Other M and they had a fucking WALL of Other M discs. I commented on them and mentioned something about trade-ins and the sales rep corrected me, stating most of the Other Ms I was talking about were brand new and that they simply had slashed the price to try and liquidate the stock.

I almost grabbed a copy out of morbid curiosity.

>>379069538
I love fusion.
... buuuut it does run in continuity with other m, so I really can't blame fans for the retroactive backlash on fusion.
It's a shame that fusion is associated with other m since fusion really did add more to samus and the world around her without fucking up samus as a character.

>>379069545
I really wonder, had YouTube existed back in 2000/2001 when Metroid Prime was revealed, if the initial trailers would have gotten immense dislikes like Federation Force's debut trailer did.

>>379069345
>And that is with a bunch of babies giving it 0/10.

they remove those

just ignore Zero Mission, Fusion, and Other M and the timeline makes sense

>>379069998
I don't think so because Prime was graphically impressive, the series had ended on a good note with Super, and there was also a traditional Metroid in the works at the same time.

>>379070380
ZM and Fusion fit perfectly into the timeline

>>379065626
Lets give metroid to Kojima Productions

>>379070380
Isn't ZM just a remake of Metroid 1?

>>379069538
>>379069954
All things considered, Fusion is a great game. The problems I have with it are the gameplay-halting cutscenes when Super Metroid did minimalistic storytelling so well, and also the fact that the story completely undid the ending of Super Metroid and dug the series in a rut, ensuring that any subsequent sequels would have to make a radical departure from the series' status quo. I blame the fact that we never got any games after Fusion on Sakamoto backing the story into a corner.

>>379065626
Nintendo franchises that outsell Metroid:

Super Mario Brothers
Pokemon
3D Mario games
Mario Kart
Wii Sports/Fit/Play/Party
Tomodachi
Animal Crossing
Donkey Kong Country
Mario Party
The Legend of Zelda
Splatoon
Smash Brothers
Nintendogs
Brain Age/Big Brain Academy

The problem is that fans think Metroid deserves Zelda level production when it has closer to Pikmin level sales.

>>379065626
it's not, it just got a game last year

>>379067761
>8 years between Metroid and Super Metroid
>8 years between Super and Fusion
>8 years between Fusion and Other M
2018 Metroid game confirmed

>>379070652
to be fair though, Prime did set a precedent for a non-linear timeline which is why it didn't bother me
if they wanted to make a traditional metroid game it'd have been easy to just set it anywhere before fusion, if they actually wanted to try something new, set it after fusion

all that game's ending did was open up new options as there were now 2 very distinct paths of to developers, each with their own merit

course they went and took a terrible terrible third option anyways so it was all moot

>>379070648
>Isn't ZM just a remake of Metroid 1?

yes

>>379070746
It's really odd to think that Metroid is such a niche franchise amongst generral public

>>379071202
the games actually take effort and skill to make so it would make sense that normalfags wouldnt know about it

>>379071340
You see, this is so childish.

Every game takes skill and effort to make. Even games you may not particularly care for.

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>mfw falling asleep last night creating my ideal next Metroid game in my head

you cry baby faggots should have bought Super in 1994
this is your fault metroid died /v/

>>379070652
Fusion takes place after Super. It didn't "undo" anything. But I think I know what you meant, anon.

Personally I liked Fusion's story, but it's true that it's kind of a tacked on extension to what was already a nice 3-game narrative with Metroid, II, and Super. I honestly feel like Super should've been the last game in the series, and that subsequent games should've explored Samus's other adventures. However, I think the issue is that the series is called "Metroid" and considering the first three games (not counting the Prime series, as that's separate devs) had a continuing plot, the devs probably felt the need to continue the story. As you said, the status quo is basically dead with Fusion, as there's literally no metroids left, apparently.

That being said, I have a personal dream "Metroid 5." It's pure headcannon on my part, but I feel like the series can continue story-wise if they play their cards right. One thing I think not a lot of people pick up on is that the metroid series does actually have a decent amount of variety to it. Metroid II had its particular gameplay of hunting metroids to expand the world, Super added map functionality and was basically "Metroid done right" since they had much less limits, and Fusion took the series in a more linear direction that made narrative sense. Even Zero Mission included a new section at the end where you play without the power suit.

Because of all that, I think the series actually doesn't have a status quo. Well, to an extent anyway, I know the gameplay is usually really similar.

>>379071202
Is it really that surprising when you consider how Nintendo constantly squanders any momentum that this series builds up?

>>379071691
>>379071340
I think he meant to say effort and skill to beat.

>>379067761
no new games between 2007 and 2017

>>379067938
they had another shot, then released federation forces.....

yeah they had their second chance and still blew it

>>379065626
metroid is dead
I think a quick google search could have answered that

>>379072001
I did

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>>379067938
>mediocre
>>mediocre
>>>mediocre

Delusion status: Other M fan

>>379066554
Nintendo is a company that likes to change the formula a lot. It's why they love Mario, because they can do whatever the fuck they want and it's not like it'll be too weird for him. Go to space? Sure. Has a go-kart? Of course! Beats link up in smash? Go for it.

Pokemon isn't really a nintendo property, and Zelda changes a lot in comparison to other game series, even if it does keep its core in check.

But Metroid, there's not a lot you can change or do with metroid. Nintendo loves gameplay gimmicks, how would they turn Metroid into something else? They tried with Federation Force, everyone hated it. They tried with Other M, everybody hated it. There's nothing they can do besides the tried and true metroidvania gameplay, but they find that too boring.

>>379072293
they converted the entire game to 3D, people loved it
they turned it into a mobile arena FPS, people liked it

why? because those were GOOD GAMES

>>379072505
Tell me the next new gameplay gimmick for Metroid then? Why do you think prime got made huh? It's because they had an idea to change the core gameplay of Metroid, and they took it.

>>379071730
>tfw used to have dreams about super metroid back when i first started playing

>tfw will never play super for the first time again

>>379072293
Nintendo is a company that likes money
metroid never sold very well in japan and they gave up after other m tanked and flop force got bad reception
Why put the money in if they can't get it right, and even if they do, it wont sell well in japan which denies them immediate profit.

>>379072505
not him but while it's true Other M was hated for the gameplay (I think people were actually excited for it during announcements) Federation Force was hated before anyone even had a chance to play it. I mean, sure it didn't turn out so great itself in the end, but still.

>>379072636
If they cared about money, why did they keep supporting the Wii-U?

>>379072293
Yeah, no. If they want to, they can remake Metroid into whatever they want it to. They made Kirby into a racing game and a drawing game. They remade Kid Icarus into 3D action with Uprising. Heck, they made a Pokemon picture taking game. The problem is that Metroid fanbase is 'SUPER SERIOUS, NO FUN ALLOWED'. They refuse to accept Metroid as anything other than a retread of previous games. It must be the same always.

>>379072707
Was it really hated for the gameplay? I mean, other than the unlocking stuff, the controls was pretty solid, from what I remember.

>>379072712
They barely supported that thing

>>379072707
people hated metroid prime at first to but it still sold pretty darn well (especially given it was on the NGC), was universally loved after release and got 2 well received sequels

sure there was initial hate towards federation force but had under the ugly exterior a great game been hidden, we'd have been playing it right now

however in this case, the game played exactly like it looked: a cheap cashgrab to attempt to cash in on whatever credibility the series had left

>>379072851
the game is insultingly easy, even for a modern nintendo game
it's an action game with a dodge button without any punishment for overusing said dodge

>>379072765
Actually we'd be open to most things so long as the feel and art is how we want it. Metroid is and can only be serious from the visual and storytelling standpoint.

Nintendo could get away with a variety of changes or genres for Metroid. But only if they keep the tone and style the way we want.

>>379066674
As in Retro made a game that Nintendo in its incompetence simply couldn't match.

Technically it had a 3DS game recently, said game was a flop but whether the franchise is seen as entirely unviable remains to be seen.
I'd say something like F-Zero which has lost ALL momentum altogether is closer to what you'd call "dead".

>>379072851
other M includes auto aim which takes away the main challenge of killing aliens.
Its why people hate megaman x7.
Why the fuck should I bother fighting when its so easy, that all I have to do is close my eyes and mash the shoot button.
As if that wasnt bad enough, they also dumbed it down further by making enemies drop nothing and letting the player heal out of combat.
There is no zero incentive to fight enemies at all unless killing waves of them unlocks doors and you can do this while closing your eyes.
We are also told exactly where to go every time with little room for exploring.
So we are being taken on a tour where fighting enemies is numbing and easy while not even caring about it and we aren't supposed to explore how we want.
This game was a complete embarrassment and whoever designed it clearly didn't want to make a metroid game.

Also we can't use the fucking nunchuck in a 3d enviornment. It sucked with the supermario 64 ds, its still bad here.

>>379072081
You mean after the Prime series was already fucking over? What, you expect Retro to just keep pumping that shit out? It's not their fault that Nintendo doesn't know how to make followups to their franchises unless it's Mario or Zelda.

>>379073321
People on /v/ like to say that Nintendo is going to look at FF's poor sales and think nobody wants Metroid but I highly, highly doubt that's anywhere close to the truth. It's just a spin-off.

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Can someone redpill me on who's fault Other M was?
Was it nintendo or team ninja who wanted the shitty controls and shitty combat? Who made samus a dick sucking damsel who disables her gravity and varia features?
Why was team ninja even hear and why them of all people anyway????

>>379073517
Investors probably, but Nintendo's management are pretty big oddballs at times regarding this stuff.
I wouldn't be surprised if they do shelve it but it's also probably their first pick in case they need a more "adult" IP to carry a new concept.

>>379073070
But that completely restricts the way it can be developed. I mean, why can't they just try something new? Why does it have to be 100% serious all the time? Metroid was heading into stagnation if the fanbase only wants more of the same.

>>379068509
>Other M
>metroidvania

>>379073648
Suckamoto

>>379073701
>Why does it have to be 100% serious all the time?
Because Metroid has always been serious and should remain so. Ninty has precious few IPs that are even properly compatible with a "Serious" mindset.

>>379073648
It was 100% Yoshio Sakamoto's brainchild - he called all the shots and Team Ninja just went with what he told them to do. There are funny developer stories about how Sakamoto insisted the game only control with the Wiimote when Team Ninja wanted to use the nunchuk, and how Team Ninja originally had the Gravity Suit look like the traditional purple it's always been but Sakamoto didn't understand why Samus was wearing purple and made them change it.

>>379073648
Team Ninja for the shit on-rails gameplay and Nintendo for everything else.

>>379072851
The first person shit just fucking killed it for me.
>can't move while in FP mode
>FP "hunt the pixel" bullshit (lol locate the green blood on this green grass)

>no health and ammo rationing, press a button to instantly refill all your shit
>press a button to instakill this enemy
Plus it's the most braindead linear entry in the series, even more linear than Fusion, which was disliked by some for being so linear.

>>379065626
It's difficult to know really.

As for 2D Metroid, Metroidvanias as a genre have a lot of development issues but the main one is that for all the development time they end up as relatively short games unless you add a gimmick(random generated maps for example). In addition you have to take into consideration that as a sidescrollers they need to be level design needs to be tighter than in Mario games as there are areas that need to be designed to link to other areas and areas that need revisit. Unless they revamp the formula they are probably not Nintendo's priority.

As for 3D ones, it's probably because they don't want to use another developer other than Retro due to how badly received Other M was.

The reason we're getting spinoffs like Federation Force is just an attempt to diversify the brand. Which is something that has been done with Mario, Zelda, Pokemon and to some extent FE.

>>379073648
The reality of Other M and most game development in general is that it's a mix, even with an all controlling director games will always be massive collaborations.

That being said, the consensus usually is:

Sakamoto was responsible for most aesthetic and narrative choices.

Team Ninja is largely responsible for the gameplay.

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>>379068509
>Other M is a metroid game
nice meme

>>379073659
Metroid was never really a part of Nintendo's main franchise. Management don't particularly care too much about it. They would probably create a new grimdark IP than turn to Metroid for such games.

>>379073824
the gravity suit shit always gets me. I remember the Team Ninja devs saying something like "this is the way it's always been in your own games..." and due to Sakamoto's autistic fits, they ended up just making it a fucking purple aura instead.

Sakamoto lost his fucking mind.

>>379073903
It is, though.

>>379074080
>Metroid was never really a part of Nintendo's main franchise.

It's sad really, considering the game was pretty much the third game alongside Mario and Zelda when it was first made.

Metroid NES was literally a combination of both titles for the sake of creating something even newer.

>>379073776
And that's how stagnation happen. A franchise that stays one way for each and every time would be horribly restrictive. It would becomes yet another one of those yearly sports or CoD games.

>>379074260
Other M is a shitty action platformer with a metroid coating of paint.
I can't spam dodges and executes while autoaiming in metroid, metroid 2, super metroid, fusion, or the prime series.
I don't fucking care what the name is. It is not a metroid game.

>>379074334
Honestly, I feel that they've done all they've can for it already. The Metroidvania gameplay was just clashing with other Nintendo franchises and was just more of the same with every new iteration. Prime changed it up for a time, but ultimately it's just became more of the same as usual.

>>379074438
and instead it became a failure on the level of duke nuke'm because it changed to much in very very stupid ways

also the series had plenty of variation, it pulled off a 3D transition spectacularly well, but change for the sake of change is never a good thing, the reason a silly metroid game isn't needed is exactly the same reason as an edge mario game would be stupid idea

>>379074482
Still a Metroid game.

>>379074438
>And that's how stagnation happen.
No it's not, because the tone of series doesn't define anything except how it looks and feels.
>A franchise that stays one way for each and every time would be horribly restrictive.
You're retarded.

>>379074690
not in my eyes, it isn't

>>379073321
imo F-Zero is in better shape because it didn't get a shitty game that people will never ever stop talking about and thus a new game wouldn't have to make up for anything.

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I know no one cares about my shitty fanfiction but I started kicking around an idea for the next Metroid game I want to see and I just want to get it written down. I don't have much, just a few general ideas.

>Prime-style first-person 3D game
>story outside of the intro and ending is revealed entirely through environmental clues and scanning, no cutscenes with dialogue
>Samus gets an instruction to track down a bounty hunter/some kind of criminal and bring him back
>she tracks him down to a distant planet in the far reaches of space
>main objective is to find him
>planet is isolated, eerie, and decidedly alien in nature
>Samus explores and finds some Space Pirate activity, they are planning something
>as Samus gets deeper and deeper in the planet, the environment becomes increasingly more organic and biological
>towards the end of the game, Samus finds the bounty hunter dead
>big reveal is that the planet is actually a living organism with a mind of its own
>final boss is the planet's "heart" which, upon defeat, kills the entire planet after an escape sequence

That's not much of a game, but it's just some general outlines I had. The main inspiration came from wanting a 3D Metroid game with a planet that feels way more alien than the planets in other Prime games, which felt vaguely like real worlds for the most part. I also have some distinctive images in my head that would make this hands-down the spookiest and most atmospheric Metroid game, which is why I felt it would work from a Prime-like perspective for the best immersion.

Pic related is a Google search for "purple planet" that looks vaguely like what I had in mind for the planet.

>>379065626
Yes.

Unfortunately, Metroid could not crawl away to safety, so she died.

>>379065626
No, I wish you stop asking the question when there's multiple interviews confirming the series is still alive.

>>379072505
So is Federation Force.

What Metroid fanboys need to understand is that very few people actually like Metroid as a 'game.' The entire appeal of the series is the female protagonist and slightly more mature setting. That's it.

This is the reason FF was so despised, despite clearly being greatly influenced by the Prime games.

>>379076462
This. Same with Star Fox and Advance Wars.

>>379073648
All sides, Sakamoto wanted a 2D game but Team Ninja had a bitch fit and wanted Metroid Gaiden, Sakamoto didn't put his foot down so instead we got some shitty combination of a shitty Metroid Gaiden trying to play like a 2D game. The game's story was going to be simple but then Sakamoto found D-Rockets and we got the shit story we see today. Sakamoto's dumbass cried because he loved the shit story instead of making them do it over. Sakamoto asked for a lot of stupid shit to be added into the game that wasn't Metroid while removing iconic things from Metroid like the Gravity Suit. Every body is at fault but the blame mostly goes to Sakamoto and Nintendo.

>>379076648
>What Metroid fanboys need to understand is that very few people actually like Metroid as a 'game.' The entire appeal of the series is the female protagonist and slightly more mature setting. That's it.

Holy shit you have no idea what you're talking about. Super Metroid and Metroid Prime 1 are widely considered to be masterpieces from gameplay and technical perspectives.

>>379076648
FF was not a good game mate and why people enjoy the series is not because of the protagonist you barely see during 99% of all good games

>>379076648
>The entire appeal of the series is the female protagonist and slightly more mature setting. That's it.
off yourself now

>>379074635
I say it still has life left, I think combining Metroid Fusion with Zero Mission would be the ideal place to go with the series just remove the suitless stealth segments. They would have a perfect sequel to Fusion that continues the franchies for new and modern players while having gameplay, and a world that hardcore Metroid fans would love.

>>379076913
>All sides, Sakamoto wanted a 2D game

he wanted a rail shooter

>>379076648
shut up cody

>>379077532
He wanted a 2D game

IGN: "Team Ninja stepped in to work on the project and was selected because the team played off the Nintendo-based team extremely well, bouncing ideas back and forth throughout the development. Sakamoto used a specific instance as an example: he insisted that the game would be an on-rails side-scrolling adventure that used the Wii remote exclusively like an NES/Famicom controller. But Team Ninja really wanted to make it a nunchuk-analog controlling game for 3D foreground/background exploration. Sakamoto stood firm on the Wii remote exclusivity. When the Team Ninja came up with an idea that could incorporate Sakamoto's Wii remote focus into a non-on-rails design, he was skeptical -- but when he finally saw what they came up with, he thought the solution was perfect. They called it "Famicom Game Plus.""

http://www.ign.com/articles/2010/03/11/gdc-10-metroid-director-wanted-classic-controls

After all these years, how does people still not know this?

>>379077407
Except it wouldn't have added anything new. Castlevania of the other half of the word Metroidvania, changed up its MC and gameplay every so often. What has Metroid done to innovate?

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MAKE SAMUS AN AMAZON AGAIN!

What brand new powers and abilities should be in the next game? They need to start mixing things up because they are relying too heavily on the items found in Super Metroid.

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>>379078045
She was never some Amazonian goddess. At most, she would have been a little taller than the average guy and a with a lean but solid build. Amazonfags are just as bad as the Other M-appreciating submissive waifufags.

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>>379078045
>5'6"
>average

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>>379078045
>average guy
>5' 6''
"Average" where? Oompah loompah island?

>>379078592
one of the older manuals had Samus at like 6'5 or something crazy like that

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>>379078045
>Average Guy
>5,6
WHO MADE THIS?

>>379077963
You can't innovate dipshit, Metroid can't innovate past Super Metroid the same way Halo can't innovate past Halo 3. The best you can do is modernize the gameplay and story for current standards. They're not going to replace Samus, do your retard ass want another Halo 5 situation where the sales had a huge decline because they were dumb enough to replace the main character? Samus is Metroid and that's final.

Yes, but what exactly was really lost besides the brand? The characters? The lore? The gameplay is the only thing truly lost, and games have since done Prime better.

If you think they'd ever release a 2D sidescrolling Metroid again, you need a reality check.

>>379079408
this is why nobody likes americans. this attitude right here

>>379078592
This, she's 6'0".

>>379078045
>5'6" average
Holy shit, fucking manlet! XD

>>379079567
I can careless, Nintendo can modernize the gameplay all they want but they can't
1. Take it too far
2. Replace the main character

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>>379078858
>>379079018
>>379079154
>>379079573
Lanklets, please go away.

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>>379079875
WHEN WILL THEY LEARN

>>379079434
Not OP but I think you're the one in need of a hard reality check if you think for a second we're ever getting another Prime over a 2D game. Tanabe doesn't have a team or the resources to make Prime 4, Retro isn't working on Metroid or DK and are either working on a new ip or an existing ip, Federation Force bombing as hard as it did isn't going to spring much confidence in Tanabe's continued direction with the Prime series. Prime is on hiatus face facts. Sakamoto on the other han has a 2D team prime and ready to actually make a 2D Metroid game (EPD7) and Other M was an experiment game to see can they take traditional Metroid in a new direction that didn't pan out so as far as 2D Metroid is concerned, it's safe.

>>379074735
Who gives a shit about your eyes fatfuck, wether you like the game or not doesnt change shit, it's an oficial metroid game, that's a hard fact.

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>>379079875
>being a manlet

>>379080091
>Retro isn't working on Metroid or DK

How do you know?

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>>379079875
Stop embarassing midget

>>379069481
You're making that mistake where you think because you don't like something that is very hated, that the people hating it are just a vocal minority.

They're not. You're very much in the minority.

You retards talk about the same fucking things every thread.
Who gives a fuck how tall she is?
Do you see threads about how tall Carl Johnson is? Crash bandicoot? Of course not.

>>379081012
What's the matter, ashamed?

>>379081012
lol short faggot

>>379065626
New 3D Metroid by Fromsoft will be shown in the Nintendo E3 video.

>>379067629
what went wrong?

>>379081550
everything

>>379080537
Retro: "We love working with Donkey Kong. It's a great character. It's a lot of fun. We love working with Metroid Prime, with Mario Kart; those are fun, fun games to work on. So, you know, you can't lose," he said. "Every one of those IPs have been a lot of fun to play with and work on and [we'd] love to come back to them sometime."

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/donkey-kong-metroid-prime-dev-calls-wii-u-a-powerhouse-confirms-new-game/1100-6418032/

>>379078045
holy shit I'm taller than snake

>>379081375
baaarf

>>379081375
Fromsoft has nothing to gain from working on Metroid.

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>metroid thread
>no ZSS images

whats the point?

>>379082469
>ZSS

Time to leave the thread I guess.

>>379082469
You should post more.

>>379082469
Trying to forget this shit exist ?

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>>379082641
>>379082709
counter it with power suit posting

>>379082709
Why would you want to do that?

>>379082469
>tfw ZSS will never sit on your face
why live

>>379082787
>>379082469
>threads are nothing but bitching about her looks and her clothes
Anita was right, fuck everything.

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just enjoy the porn, we will never get another game

>>379065626
Yup

All Samus is good for now is shitty SFM porn where their skin looks like oily plastic and the cum looks like shredded paper.

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>>379082787
Great idea.

>>379082469
Get the fuck out of here.

>>379069154
The game came at the wrong time, and had the wrong visual style and atmosphere.
Despite the massive outcry, Nintendo went ahead with the launch anyway, to a negative reception and poor sales.

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>>379078045
>average height 5'8
fucking manlet artist
I see why zss fags are triggered by her being tall, they're all manlet betas.

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>>379083292
this is samus canon now deal with it

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>>379079875

>>379083603
More, please.

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>>379067885
I will not let your post go unnoticed, friend.

>>379083363
Why is the Metroid fanbase so insufferable? I don't remember the Donkey Kong fanbase throwing constant autistic tantrums when Nintendo was giving it some goofy spin-offs until they figured out where they wanted the series to go.

>>379083991
metroid fanbase didn't mind it when the spinoffs weren't terrible
can't recall anyone complaining about the pinball game

and you can imagine, after the last terrible game and long wait time releasing yet another terrible game wasn't going to be liked that much

>>379083603
This faggots is an actual fan of Other M, we should pick on him /v/.

>>379083991
Primefags bitch over anything, 2D are getting tired of Nintendo fucking around with the series and just wants them to make a Fusion sequel already.

>>379083115
I hate how all of the Samus porn is her getting dominated/humiliated. Where is all the porn where she takes charge and looks like she's enjoying herself?

Thanks a fucking lot, Other M.

>>379083991
maybe because donkey kang gets like 10 games every year

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>>379078592
>>379079048
>>379078045

I don't know what's y'all's definiton of "Amzonian" is, but Samus is canonically 6'3".

>>379084401
Other M had nothing to do with it.

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>>379082469
>uh oh, people are actually having semi-decent conversations and not just posting borderline NSFW images and ERPing, gotta stop that shit

>>379065626
Yes, it died October 4, 1997 when Gunpei Yokoi was hit by a car.

>>379084214
>metroid fanbase didn't mind it when the spinoffs weren't terrible
>can't recall anyone complaining about the pinball game

That's because actual Metroid games were getting released at the time of the spin-offs.

I firmly belief Federation Force would have done fine if the regular Metroid series was still afloat. The fact that it came after five years of radio silence since the last game (which was almost unanimously declared the worst of the series) was what pissed people off.

>>379065626
>10 years since a Metroid game that played like Metroid
>13 years since a 2D Metroid

>>379084978
We're due for both.

I would love if 2018 revives Metroid in the same way 2002 revived it - two new games, one 2D and one 3D, released on the same day. It will never happen but I can dream.

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>tfw 5'10
>Not tall enough to be considered tall
>Not short enough to have a decent chance of finding a cute girl thats taller then me
end my suffering

>>379084512
6'3" and buff is amazonian in my book.

Nintendo doesn't make a game unless there's some way to "innovate" or some gimmick they can build it around.

I kind of hope it's dead, or at least shelved for a good long time. Metroid needs a significant cooling off period and I don't trust modern Nintendo to treat it with any respect.

did anyone get a hold of that samus ERPer that was posting awhile ago?


had a good night with her :^)

>>379086893

>her

Post new upgrade ideas.

>>379086764
>Metroid needs a significant cooling off period

It's had one.

>>379073648
it was half team ninja and half sakamoto. anyone who just blames sakamoto is legitimately retarded.

the crappy controls were all team ninja, ruining samus was sakamoto.

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>>379066554
Japan

they buying the games

they have so much shit taste, series like Metroid and Advance Wars will never see the light of day again.

Even when they tried to go full blown weeb with Other M, the japs didn't buy it.

>>379088356
Iwata is dead now, Japan no longer means shit now.

>>379087945
This

>>379088145
Finally someone said it, thank you.

>>379088145
how about a source?

>>379088145
>the crappy controls were all team ninja

Sakamoto was the one who insisted Team Ninja not allow the nunchuk to be used though.