Fire Emblem Echoes

>>379044490
>restart the game because a unit died
You didn't run out of rewinds, did you anon?

>>379044837
No, I'm just an autitist that likes to make things harder on myself.

>>379044837
the only time i restarted was when i tried the move orders thing and it sent one of my units to its death

OST was really fucking incredible.

Are those all remake of the original tracks or new compositions ?

so good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOB4ZPukubw

>>379044837
Do rewinds revive units? When i did it the first time my unit didnt come back

>>379044837
I didn't want to use the baby mechanic.

Beating a fire emblem using save states is something I haven't done since 1999 when I was 11 and the games were still only in Japanese and the only way to play them was trial and error using save states on an emulator.

>>379046117
>It was tedious then so I want it to be tedious now.
But hey, who am I to decide how you get your fun. I thought it was a welcomed addition personally.
the perfect compromise between "everyone comes back after battle so who cares" and "oops that 2% crit really surprised me! time to reset again!"

>>379046679
The turnwheel is only necessary in Echoes because they didn't fix how inconsistent everything was from Gaiden.

>>379046679
Winning with savestates is like not even winning at all. It's like you've cheesed the whole game.

>>379046779

Sure, but still, the mechanic is well balanced with its limited use and how you cant use it if the lord dies.
There is literally nothing wrong with it.

>>379046801
Not really, since its use is limited, you still have to think through every action you take.

It just saves you time when you mess up.

>>379047554
You get way too many uses of it per battle. Its what 10+ later in the game?

>>379045472
You have to go back far enough to before they died, dumbass

>>379046779
It's not necessary at all though, really.

It's nice in that you don't have to restart the whole fight though, especially in longer, protracted battles, and bother with loading everything up again. Really, it's an ideal addition.

>>379047948
I agree its nice since the gameplay in echoes isn't the strong point so why bother forcing you to keep slogging through it. Would've still preferred better gameplay with no turnwheel but at that point it wouldn't be Gaiden anymore.

>>379047668

I finished the game with 9 and I don't think I missed any cogs.

but that's only at the end of the game

I'm just sad they re-used the obsessive character trait for a third game in a row.

>>379048251
>he'd rather keep resetting in games with better gameplay

>>379048303

Faye wasn't like that in the original ?

>>379048371
Faye wasn't even in the original

>>379048371
Faye wasn't in the original.
And I was talking about Leon.

>>379048350
>Not playing ironman

>>379048420
>>379048451

Oh ok

>>379048561
>trying to wave your dick around

Let's get this over with fags

Undub VS Dub
I played the undub, but god, some of the dub voices are actually really damn good

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how do I complete Nuibaba's abode without getting a haemorrhage
I've been using Python and Tobin to pick off some of the guys with the death tomes but I still see no way to kill Nuibaba without getting hounded by like five other enemies.
My Faye is a pegasus knight so while she is fucking up the gargoyles I can't send someone in and then Rescue them so I'm at a loss
but yeah ost pretty good

>>379048646
I guess the undub is fine but I have no problems with the dub. At all.

>>379048646
The dub is really solid this time around, all things considered. Berkut's performance in particular is top notch.

>>379048646

I am usually a big anti dub, but this one surprised me, I didn't expect it to be good after Awakening and fate

>>379048807
>funny_image.jpg

I had to bait the enemy mages/dread fighters one at a time, using pegasis riders and lots of healing. Took me like 40+ turns.

>>379048626
>implying my dick is big enough to wave around.

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fuck I can't get over pride and arrogance it's so good lads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpLU8BI02wQ

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>childhood friend promise

>tfw you're literally Fernand

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>start playing Echoes
>Faye and Silque support
>Hello, let's have some girl talk.
>NO. ALM ALM ALM ALM ALM
>okay, let's talk about Alm
>NO. ALM ALM ALM

Just stop. Tharja worked because she was funny. Faye is shit. Camilla is shit.

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>>379050381
I hate this shit. Actually meeting childhood friends in real life is awkward as shit, you don't spend your life thinking about them daily
>>379050516
>make a cute girl with a soft colour scheme and cute voice acting
>garbage personality
>rude to best girl
t-thanks

>>379048807
Warp alm in to destroy the cunt, sent in movement force of cavaliers to breach the back since mathilda is a thing. Bow knights / sniper / mages picks off gargoyles. Pegasus knights just are there to pick off gargoyles once you ping the enemy bow knight to death.

>>379044490
Clear the game and get the new title screen.

It's subtle but a nice touch.

Rev up those 2nd playthrough villager classes

>Tobin mage
>Grey archer
>Faye cavalier on celica's route
>Kliff benched

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Clive a best

Haven't you beat it already? Why are we still talking about it?

>alm route
>battle against rudolf
>fuck this shit I ain't doing this shitty battle with bow cunts
>check condition
>proceed to just warp to the bastard and crit him with a scendscale
That was oddly satisfying and disappointing.

>>379051029
Delthea is just naive. We all know Clive is shit.

>can't have Berkut or Fernand join your team

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>>379051479

>>379051018
>Fae on Celica route

Devilish

>>379051212
I was blackout drunk when I beat Rudolph. I must be pisseasy

>>379051541
Just setting up a punchline, she knew Alm was the real man.

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>>379051782

>>379052031
Yea, I said, Delthea is a just naive and silly.

>>379044490
Echoes as a whole is a pretty beautiful game
too bad such aesthetics were wasted on the 3DS

>>379050516
>Tharja was funny
Isn't there a general for you to shit up, Tharjafag?

>>379048807
>My Faye is a pegasus knight so while she is fucking up the gargoyles I can't send someone in and then Rescue them so I'm at a loss

Oh shit, I'm not sure then. I always Warp/ Rescue at Nuibaba's map.

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>>379048646
Dub.

>>379044490
once upon a time

>dracoshield on act 1 boss
who is sad enough to get that shit?

>>379048646
The Japanese voices are still the best, however unlike the past two games it is perfectly acceptable to play it in English since the voices are good and the script is mostly intact.

I hate how the game is fully voiced. I like voices in combat and cutscenes, but every line of dialogue is too much. I can read just fine and faster than the shitty voices so every line is like

He-
We-
I-
from me pushing the button.

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>"No way I'd never use the turnwheel or savestates, that's cheating, why even play?"
>Unit dies
>Soft resets

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>>379044490
>beat the game
>new title screen
it made me cry, only because that's how I express happiness

Real talk: am I the only one who really liked the story on an emotional level? It is generic drivel but it is EARNEST generic drivel! No three layers of subversion, cynicism and humor. Fantasy played straight. Gods and dragons taken seriously. It's refreshing.

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>>379056161
It's a nice item though

>>379056529
This pretty much, the VAs are pretty good but they seemed to make it take longer to read text (and they go over the nice music). Not happy if the Switch FE falls for this fate.

>>379056587
Yes.
No. I liked it more than I'd like to admit, it made me angry and made me hate and like characters, specially hate celica so fucking much, something I have not felt over fictional characters in a long time.

>>379056161
I tried a couple of times but then thought fuck it. Weapons and rings beat shields anyway

>>379047783
dont be mean to him

>>379056161
It's not that hard

>>379048646
>>379048832
Totally agreed, In the next one I'd be stoked if they brought back voice acting and more specifically the one that played Burkut.

>Rigel Falls
>The Last Bastion
Good to know ISIS is still dumb enough to not fix some maps.

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>>379056161

>>379046679

>"oops that 2% crit really surprised me! time to reset again!"

God, that sentence really took me back. Thank you for the feel-good moment!

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>A good/bad unit is entirely decided by le rng growth god
>Crit city: The game
Im having fun but holy shit this is frustrating sometimes

>>379044490
>>379045423
>tfw still have the collectors edition OST in plastic
One day I will pop it out and listen to it as I bask my face in the sun and chill

As a FE 7/8 fag should I just skip Awakening/Fate and get Echoes? I don't have a 3DS nor a Switch as of yet.

>>379057531
Do what makes you feel happiest anon-kun~

>>379057808
I'm asking which games are better.

>>379057531
They all have their merits.
Did you like 7 or 8 better? Have you played 6?

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>>379057957
It's subjective.
I could give my opinion but my opinion might not be correct.

>>379057957
play awakening, conquest and echoes
Awakening is alright, the waifu shit is a bit forced but its still a decent enjoyable FE game

>>379057531
You can get them all for free so just try them out.

>>379047668
You get 10. Grima's Funhouse is kind of balanced with ti since you gotta save those uses fuccboi unless you wanna get EXPIRED

>>379057997
7, and no.

>>379058307
Try Conquest. It hasn't got a world map, and it's pretty challenging. Echoes and Awakening are good but they're more like Sacred Stones than 7.

>>379044837
>Unit dies
>Reset
>Start the mission again and remember the turnwheel
FUCKING HELL

>>379048646
Dub. I didn't like some voices like Est or Clive, but some of the scenes were way more emotional with english vo. Like the one before Berkut seals the deal.

>>379056161
It's not hard just annoying since you have to keep pining him for 1 damage over and over again while he heals for 5 points every turn. Fun to just put it on your Cleric or Mage and have them walk into the enemy side and watch them destroy everything.

Berkut and Lukas have godlike voices.

>ambushed by witches
>don't get to set formation
>they warp to Lukas and OHKO him

WELP

>>379058620
Celica's voice actress is really good. So is Mae's.
It's a shame Celica is so fucking stupid.

>>379058682
I'M STILL HYPER
LET'S GO

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>>379058743

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The dlc missions are pretty good.
>fernand's backstory + you get to use fernand
>rescue npcs with only 3 people against a swarm of enemies
>escape

Havent played the last one yet. Too busy with other games.

>>379058645
That's nothing
>get through whole bonus dungeon to the final boss
>didn't even realize you could save there
>he crits Alm
>last save at the harbour

>>379058774
>Her support with celica

why is Mae so cute

>>379058743
>LET'S GO
Love when Nowi says this in FEH. Wish I had the sound file for a text notification.

>>379056529
>>379056695
shit opinion, burkut and clive make the story sound less generic than it really is and add personality.

>>379057256
i feel ya, thats why they put in the turn wheel with very generous tries. I wouldnt mind it in the next game if they limited it to one or two.

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>Get Gray to Level 10 Dread Fighter
>He can spec back into villager

I did not fucking know this could happen, should I do it?

>>379057531
play awakening on lunatic, its too easy on hard, abuse the pair mechanic and so on. play conquest however you like, its pretty good (not story wise) Echoes is rng like gaiden, but the turnwheel makes it sting less.

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>>379058776
fire emblem needs more cats

>>379059770
Depends when in the story (since latemage has lots of movement restrictions) are you and if you are going for bonus dungeon.

>>379059928
Is that on Chapter 6? I do intend to try my hand at it at least. I'm about midway through Chapter 4, just unlocked Alm's Hero promotion

Which Citra version can run this game reliably?

>>379044837
Personally, I choose to not use it because I'm used to just resetting anyways, plus I'd just make reckless decisions non-stop without consequence if I let myself use it freely.
Only time I ever used it was after seeing a lot of story and examining stuff without saving, then Delthea died in the first battle where I was trying to get her up to par with everyone else, and I didn't want to go through all that again, on that note, when does Delthea stop needing to be babysat by 2 or more units, is it just until she reclasses?

>>379058776
Yeah I really liked them as they're the definition of short and sweet gameplay. Strangely only dlc has the escape mechanic. I also loved how good the memory prisms were, especially the last one between fernand and mathildaa. They really should've made the dlc the prologue, fernand gets way better characterization. The memory prisms made his death so much more impactful, rather than making him to be a lazy killed at the end villain.

I also prefer echoes / the old way supports because of how short and how fitting they can be. Fates and awakening's support system is shit. I actually skip most conversaions because it feels forced. Memory prisms are a fantastic addition. Way better than forced marriage gargle crap.

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>>379044490
>beat act 3
>went directly to fight berkut in act 4
>mfw this started playing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHojJsGlZ-s

So is this game the first step in Fire Emblem reclaiming its dignity after the pandering bullshit that was Awakening and Fates?

>>379060114
Past about level 8 - 10. Once she reclasses she becomes an absolute monster.

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>>379044490
>Beat Thabes
>Get Prism
>See Duma

WHY AREN'T DUMA AND MILA PLAYABLE CHARACTERS? IS can't keep getting away with this!

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>do literally anything to him
>lol no
>eventually leaves your team with little to no health surrounded by eyeballs

>>379060231
Yeah, but in a way it is also a step toward making the game more mainstream. It has hidden object minigames, a genre well-known for being popular almost exclusively among normie women.

>>379060357
4, 8, 12... Aaarghhh.

>>379060048
Yeah. Chapter 6.
Go for it then. He'll be getting level really fast.

>>379060357
I actually would have preferred the turn count to the hit count because it would require actual strategy and smart positioning rather than a literal dog pile

>>379060357
*critical ragnaroks u*

>>379060048
>try my hand
Do it. There's a fun little twist at the end connecting it to Awakening even more.

>>379060231
It's okay. Story is mediocre, villains are pretty good but alm and celica are extremely cliche. DLC is absolute shitka mess though but the prologue is good story stuff. The best part, above all else, is the fucking sound direction. The voice acting was great for the most part, especially during the story. The music ranged from mediocre annoying to oh my god. 3d models are still mediocre / terrible but echoes does the 3d animation so well and so quickly that it's barely noticable. World map is very solid during the game but quickly becomes empty and lifeless during the end. Awakening's map remained the same all the way to the end, which was mediocre good. Fates world map which is my castle is garbage, never want to do that shit again.

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I just hope it will reach atleast 500k sales. This game got 0 advertisement tho.

>>379061071
Yeah, it was really low-key. I remember something about how it sold through 90% of its first shipment in Japan, though.

>>379061053
>alm and celica are extremely cliche
Ain't that taking a bit to the extreme?

>>379061071
It got some through FEH, which hit big with a lot of people, so hopefully that will help.

>>379061071
Pirates though. I'm one though but they jewed me for birthright and revelations and both those were shit.
>game was decent and I want to support them
>realize that this game was probably an exception
>realize company will probably recognize people saying the gameplay is shit
>this will make the shitty businessmen force devs to make more 3 path fates-shit
>while ignoring all of echo's really good parts
>cash milking from dlc is a huge turn off

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>>379061764
>>realize that this game was probably an exception
Why do you think that. Sounds like not the best excuse and I personally think that IS actually cares for the good Fire Emblem.

That final map was godlike, especially with how everyone spoke at the end

And that theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izRnlS4rDj0

>>379061942
The problem is after awakening and fates weak ass characters and plot and echoes being mediocre but a decent direction I probably expect them to fall back to awakening/ fates. Like shoving in children when they don't belong or all this MU special snowflake relevant to the story stuff. I'll probably buy their next game if actually goes into a direction I like. Ironically I bought all 3 of fates when I never finished and hated the game but I absolutely loved echoes and finished it in a few days.

>>379062895
>mediocre but a decent
What's the top one in your opinion? Just curious.

How over-localized is the script? Is it as silly as the last one?

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>>379060346
Fuck. Forgot the Prism on Grima. I backtracked to thabes and have to defeat Grima again now.

Atleast I just have to Lemegeton + Invoke for easy kill on grima

>>379060357
>characters that did nothing wrong

>>379063205
It's ok, there are somehow no memes besides the occasional Tobin/Grey bantz.

>>379063205
Not as frivolous as fates supports, if you mean that.
Can't really compare more without going page-by-page.

>>379063205
Characters are actually believable and not just some shitty anime trope this time.

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>people talking to eachother from across the map

>>379063712
>what are tin can telephones

>>379063394
even though he looks like a bad guy, he did sort of had reasons, y'know. Like to prevent starvation for one.

>>379045369
Remakes, Gaiden had a really good ost.

>>379063023
After thinking about it Radiant Dawn probably comes in as the top one for being solid all around. FE7 with nostalgia glasses off comes in as a second because I really like the gba gameplay and sprites and the story / characters were okay.

>Be Faye
>Alm goes off on an adventure
>Doesn't recruit you
>Sit and wait alone forever
>Childhood best friend eventually returns
>Excited to help
>Join up with her and murder her enemies
>Finally meet up with Alm again
>She fucks Alm, leaving you eternally cucked once again.

>>379056587
>Real talk: am I the only one who really liked the story on an emotional level?

Story is a little on the bland side, but this game really drives home just how important presentation is. Good voice acting and well-written character interaction adds a ton of life into the story. I can only hope that they take these lessons to heart for FE Switch.

>>379048807
Grind Silque so she has Invoke and go towards the back side.

Thought this was a Fire Emblem thread not an Echoes circlejerk thread. My bad.

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>>379064728

Id rather have decent written support conversations than animu VAs.

>>379065127
read the title, phone poster

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>Mathilda gains a point in every stat on level up

Using the turnwheel makes me feel like a huge pussy so I usually don't but I can't deny that it's well appreciated when some cunt super-mercenary crits your face off.

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>>379065642
>outdone by both waifu and imouto

>people are now trashing Gaiden's story

A lot of people forget that in the 25 years in between this game and its remake we've seen just about everything there is as far as a fire emblem story goes.

The story is fine and I'd say it's one of the better fire emblem stories out there. The added memory prisms and cutscenes make it a lot better.

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>>379050381
>not liking childhood promises

It was cute as fuck

>>379064639
I still dont get why they made her character for this game only for her to get fucked over

>>379061071
I pirated

>>379066884
It's hilarious.

Also she's a psychopath and doesn't deserve a happy end.

>>379066353
i got a pretty decent clive compared to most people, it seems. he always had the highest atk in my party by several points, though the speed was kinda lacking. real mean with weapon arts.

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>Mila's turnwheel can be used used up to 12 times once you have all thew cogs
Why did they do this?
I'm talking shit about Mila's Tunrwheel but why the fuck did they have to give it so many charges? I mean shit, Hard is easy as fuck and who here is EVER going to use all 12 of the turnwheels outside of postgame dungeons?

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>>379066353

>>379067067
i only got 8 and i used them all carelessly at the endgame coz i brute forced my way on hard aswell

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>>379067067

Nintendo included an extra disc that teaches you how to move and jump in Mario Galaxy 2.
Its for the biggest retards among the fanbase.

>>379067236
Well aren't you a one lucky motherfucker.

I'm on Act 2. Am I supposed to come back later for the necrodragon or can I fight it now?

>>379067067
To put casual mode into our classic mode. Pray it won't get any worse. It probably will.

>>379066884
She is the embodiment of fire emblem.

>>379067415
I never got the Mathilda meme though, she is too brittle.

>>379067472
It's a level check of sorts.
Characters even comment that you need to have Seraphim on you at that point.

>>379048371

to be fair most characters in Gaiden got like A line of dialogue at best but Faye wasn't the original.

>>379063205
Dialogue is much, much better than in Awakening and Fates, that is for sure.

>>379067693
Gaiden characters didn't even have constant designs in the actual game, let alone the boxart, let alone the official art. I swear some of those villagers must have had like 3 different hair colours.

>>379048646

I was getting worried about Pinktails's general peppy attitude after playing through the more dramatically demanding scenes especially anything with Berkut I can safely say the dub is acceptable.

>>379067894
I hate the dialogue in Echoes. It's modern as fuck.

>the female mage dress

I for one rejoice for the return of Legs Emblem.

>>379056161

literally the good use for it is to put it on a Cleric.

So are archers really good in Echoes or do they just suck ass in every other game and make the Echoes archers look good by comparison.

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>>379068387
The latter

>>379068387
Gaiden/Echoes bow knights are one of the strongest classes in the entire series.

Echoes classes in general have a very high power level.

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>>379066353
>20 Atk
I'm starting to think difficulty affects growths

>>379056161
It's a fun side objective and much easier than you would think with ranged units, the levin sword, warp and even the turnwheel. There's plenty of chokepoints to choose from on that map as well.

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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRrUBc1zYYY
>When 0:49 hits

>>379068679
I was playing on hard.

Just a reminder that Mae is shit.

>>379069110
You are shit.

>>379069110
t. Boey before being pegged by Mae

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>>379068795

>>379068649
>Gaiden/Echoes bow knights are one of the strongest classes in the entire series.
Not really.The class is too slow and the weapons too heavy it really hampers their offesive prowess.
>Echoes classes in general have a very high power level.
Again, not really Barons are useless for a start, let us get that out of the way, Gold Knights are powerful mixing good offence, bulk and movement.
Mages are hampered by low movement and no good promotion bonuses and until they get the mage ring they slow your army down 4 move is unusable.
Dread fighters are actually good also.
And finally the Pegasluts, they were nerfed too hard from Gaiden and it shows.

>>379069110
t.faye

>>379069276
>implying someone who had a dozen kids with her got pegged

What the fuck do you think she always says "I'M AT THE TOP OF MY GAME" and "I'M STILL HYPER. LET'S GO!"? She only stopped having kids because Boey literaly ran out of cum.

>>379067524
Her decent res makes her a good Mage-killer along with any archers and dread fighters you may have.

>>379069492
I'd rather use a dread fighter then.
7 defence is not fun.

So Echoes is actually good? Better than Fates at least? Because I couldn't stand Fates, even Conquest.
I've been meaning to grab it but i'm anxious about turning on my 3DS since I wanna avoid those banwaves Nintendo has been sending out.

Why is Boey such garbage?

Then you get Sonya and she's way better than both Boey and Mae.

>>379070046
It's really good.

I've just started the Jap version and no character has yet outed himself as an annoying stereotype complete with quirky end-of-the-sentence particle.What the fuck went wrong with Awakening and Echoes?

>>379070046
It's really up to your tastes.
Right now I consider it to be one of my top fe games just because how everything combined works. From simple story with good presentation to music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y47DGeR40cg

>>379070167
>>379070213
Do we know if Ninty's still banning folks with hacked 3DSes or should I be safe to use mine?

>>379070046
The maps are basic as hell, but everything else is great.

Late game gets a bit broken though. Not like awakening braindead broken, but it's a fun kind of broken where you get to do all this cool shit with weapon arts and support spells.

>>379066878
I'd rather see her fuck jeddah than the cliche fate's destined lover railroad shit.

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>>379070172
So you haven't started the game yet then?

>>379070302
I have no idea since I'm still on gateway and never went online in 2 years.

>>379070046
The characters aren't unbearably shit in this one.

I hated literally every character in fates.

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>>379070435
>cliche fates railroad tier
>game came out 25 years ago

Kill yourself awakeningfag. Canon ships are always better

>>379070046
The maps are terrible, which is the only thing that matters. But if you didn't like Conquest I don't know what even attracts you to the series, so go nuts.

>>379069391
Bow knights have access to a skill that lets them double from the killer bow. Put that into thought. Now combine that with their high movement and huge range. If they get good growths in atk they will end up one rounding everything with high crit rates. The problem with bow knights is how frail they usually are. At least for me.

>>379070643
>maps are the only thing that matters
>conquest the best meme

Mass Effect 3 is the best game in its series then? The level design and core gameplay is pretty good. Okay, sure

fuck off

>>379070906
Maps matter a lot, they are what makes you want to play the game again.

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>>379070435
>destined lover shit
>fuck jeddah
Continue your journey then, anon.
You clearly haven't completed full circle yet and can't apreciate good vanilla love story when you see it.

>>379070046
First FE game with voice acting and it's pretty solid. OST is good too. Voice acting really does do wonders for a rpg. Probably is what makes echoes story and characters sorta good even though they're very cliche.

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>>379071160
>First FE game with voice acting

>>379070906
Why are you comparing ME to FE? ME had good characters, FE never has (and neither ever had good plot), so gameplay is the only reason you should have ever played FE. And maps are the main course, since all the class and weapon options in the world mean nothing without good stages to use them on.

>>379050381
There's so much more than that you cuckold

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>>379071276
>ME had good characters

>>379071048
A good vanilla love story should be more than meeting for a few months a few years ago and being pre-destined to fall in love.
If the writers had given more time for them to establish their relationship a little better it would have felt more natural.
But they only love each other because they are programmed to, they don't love each other because of each other.

>>379071398
Yeah.

>>379071196
I mean fully voice acted.

>>379071428
They were together for like three years
And they were both raised under Mycen's roof together
After she had just watched her entire family die and Alm accepted her immediately
And was taken away under mysterious circumstances after Slayde tried to kill her
That combined with the seal in the hands, it was obvious that there was something special about them.

>>379069391
>Mages are hampered by low movement

Only on desert and swamp maps. Depending on their spells their attack range is huge and they can move through any terrain that's not a swamp or desert without losing any movement.

>>379070213
This world map theme makes feel empty.Because the world map is empty.

>>379071276
>since all the class and weapon options in the world mean nothing without good stages to use them on.

You're just beating a dead horse with this. Echoesfags will never understand this.

>>379071048
I'd rather see a story of a priestess who is still holding a candle for her first crush go out on a journey quest and along the way she realizes she doesn't see eye to eye with that boy she had a crush on now that he's a man. Now she's slowly starting to see the good in the heart of a man she thought was evil, a man who warships another god, but in the end is right. Then they fall in love and she gives herself to him. After that her old crush shows up and they kill him together and in the end they live happily ever after in the temple warshiping his god and having lots of children.

The End. - Peter Chimaera

>>379063709
Echoes Leon story and supports full transcript:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoHGTzqJTM0

>>379044490

>tfw restart the game because a unit died

Just play casual mode if you're just going to restart whenever an unit dies you fucking idiot

>>379072534
I'm not a casual though.

>Started Fire Emblem with Shadow Dragon
>Like it because babby's first, replay it a few times on harder levels, enjoy it but don't necessarily like the class changing option.
>Hate the stupid reqs to unlock the Gaiden chapters, but whatever
>Play Sacred Stones when I get it for free on 3DS, like it, don't like the "grinding" component, but like the two unique paths and supports, which I didn't know existed prior.
>Play Blazing and Binding Blade on ROMs, like them, see why people say GBA were the best Emblems and why people were disappointed with Shadow Dragon
>Stop playing the series as I never got hardcore into it
>FE explodes as a top Nintendo franchise, think about getting Conquest because I hear it isn't babby tier waifushit.
>It is actually waifushit and hear all the stories are a mess, never get around to it
>Stop playnig FE until Heroes comes out
>Get that itch again
>Decide to pick up Echoes
>Love it
>Old school feeling with modernized graphics n shit, characters feel like actual characters because it isn't a terrible waifu eugenics simulator
>Supports feel natural and reflect personalities, people don't feel "one note," as i heard they are in Awakening/Fates.
>No stupid fucking OP shit like Pair Up (so far at least?)
>Don't like the removal of durability, although prefer casting for HP for mages, as rebuying Tomes is costly.
>Like the general differences from the other games, grinding is back but somewhat avoidable.

I think this game pulled me back into FE. I would be for more Echoes-styled remakes, especially if they all remove the Support conversation limits.

>mass effect 3 has good gameplay by shit story and terrible ending
>universally despised
>conquest has good gameplay but the story, characters, and worldbuilding is beyond retarded to where you have to mash the start button during everything but the actual level
>praised like the best thing since sliced bread

I don't get it. I really don't fucking get it. I've played both, and they deserve to be thrown in an incinerator. No amount of gameplay can backpack the game if everythint else makes me want to kill myself.

>>379072603

>resetting the game because you lost a character and not just continuing playing the game while accepting the consequences
>not a casual

>>379072684
>I don't get it.

You don't get that what differentiates a video game from movies and novels is valued more than plot?

>>379072731
That's precisely what a casual would do.

>>379072731
>He lets characters die
Sounds like you're the casual.

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>>379072684
I forgot where Fire Emblem was known for it's story quality, and Fates was the cap-off to all the decisions made in the rest of the series.

Seriously, you're reaching to justify a stupid contrarian viewpoint where you can be the victim and complain more.

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Holy fucking shit

If its not the shitty maps its the fucking random encounters on the world map

>do celica's side first
>semi annoyances from random battles but nothing really too out there for each random encounter
>switch to alm where im near desaix's castle
>i have to do 4 fucking battle before i can get to him because enemies love to fucking spawn everywhere

fucking christ. I thought it would only be a few enemies for each one like celica's side but for a random encounter they literally had double the amount of characters i had. mixed with the same "lol every map is just a giant square" and bad enemy/player placement, its making me wanna drop this game

>>379072826
No, I don't get that gameplay the only thing that fucking matters when everything else about it is AIDS incarnate.

Why the fuck would I play Conquest when I can play 4, 5, 7, 9, or 10 for just gameplay while having context that doesn't require me to mash the start button because it's that fucking bad. Why play on classic mode when I hate all the characters so goddamn much that it's more fun to fodder them off every level? Why does the game have all these obnoxious voice quips and camera angles during the battle animations?

I'd rather play a game with bland gameplay and okay everything else than good gameplay with everything else that makes me want a mod of the game that immediately starts the next level after you beat one.

>>379073292
You made your decision with $40 USD which had a large impact on the story.

Fuck me I hate Duma Tower. It's way too long and some of those not skipable are real fucking bullshit.
How am I supposed to deal with that motherfucker that is blocking the winding staircase? His party composition is way too power.

>>379074395
The answer is always Saber

>>379074395
Without knowing your exact problem it's a little difficult to suggest solutions. If you're getting overwhelmed try having Genny Invoke some shitty soldiers to run distraction so that you have less enemies to contend with at once. Alternatively place a dread fighter on some sort of cover. Saber has good defense for me usually so he's good for that. You could also equip a shield or something for further defense.

>>379074395
Is it the bow knight faggot on the third floor? Fuck him, that fight is hard

>>379045369
It's half and half. There's plenty of new songs added because Gaiden's soundtrack wasn't that big, but Gaiden also had a rather underrated soundtrack in general that sounds great when updated.
https://youtu.be/rLyshmr4Upk?list=PLEBEB90247BF68D44
https://youtu.be/ikH3Gn4PdrI?list=PLEBEB90247BF68D44
https://youtu.be/tjEHoqktXoY?list=PLEBEB90247BF68D44
https://youtu.be/L4fA6U0-mtc?list=PLEBEB90247BF68D44
https://youtu.be/B9WWWA6AUzc?list=PLEBEB90247BF68D44
https://youtu.be/I_RQarhRWiQ?list=PLEBEB90247BF68D44

I, myself, have always been a gameplay fag before everything else.

but i honestly must admit, if everything else isn't atleast passable, then i can find it hard to come back to something with amazing gameplay, if i just want to skip everything else..

i just can't bring myself to play fates anymore, i've done all three routes so i've pretty much 100% the game, while i adore the core gameplay, i loath every other gameplay aspect, like the my castle shit, children, and online stuff.

top that off with everything else being "pretty looking, but absolutely garbage" i just can't care.

playing fates feels like an obligation instead of an actual fun experience, like i "have" to play it because its fire emblem, even if i've had more fun with every other title except the original FE1.

>>379074708
>>379074749

It's that fight the flying eyes in the back, quite some terrors, some gargoyles and some arcanists.

basically a mixture of all shit enemies in the game. I have tried multiple things, rushing will get someone singled out and rekt.
Forming a defensive line will get someone shot with so much arrows and magic that I would be surprised there would be something left of him at all.

Neither offense or defense has given me an edge here.

>>379045083
why wouldn't you just reset to the beginning of the map? or is it just a instinct thing to soft reset?

>>379074965
Eyes aren't that bad. Make sure you take down all the enemies before the eyes in the back. Use invoke to give you a buffer in between you and the fiends. I forgot if there were bonewalkers. If there are, kill them first and then the fiends. The eyes in the far north and norheast don't really do much after they split.

If you beat the bow knight encounter, the you're more than able to win this fight.

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>>379074965
Y'mean this map? What's your team comp like? When I did this map my Celica and Sonya were strong enough to one round the big Knights. Eyes are generally too slow movement wise to worry about.

I'd put someone tanky on cover on the right to bait out the Gold Knight and skellies, then kill them right after. Magic should be good enough, Angel or Excalibur. If you have any Falcoknights they should kill the skellies easily.

>>379074902
This. The fucking children are killing me in fates. The support grind to. The fucking castle. The empty endgame.
>support these two and kill yourself from the boredom
>now go do a whole extra map for a child unit
>probably not going to use it
At least in awakening children units were worth it and unique due to inheritance. Not only that but I felt rewarded for using them like morgan is a fantastic unit. Also there was actual endgame content in awakening from the extra maps to apotheosis that gave reason to even go so far to min max and gave reason for access to grinding and huge cast sizes and class changing. To crop the cream the access to einherjar was so much fanservice. You could do runs with einherjar teams and all this silly stuff. Awakening was pretty fun but the first 5 chapters are terrible and the balance is over the place. Needed extreme exp decay to prevent MU solos.

>>379075540
This shit right here was why I benched Sonya for the tower. Seraphim is the best spell in the game because of terrors while being light as fuck.

Attack the northwest part and kill the dread fighter ASAP. Hold the line against those fiends with your bulkier units like Conrad, Valbar(if you took him with), and Saber. Baron Atlas is also fucking phenomenal for this section of the game if you went down that path. Send falcon knights up to harass the eyes up at the north after the knights moved down so they don't come after your guys. Genny needs to spam invoke and physic like a motherfucker. Use Celica and Mae to nuke the terrors with seraphim. Like I said earlier, bonewalkers first and then the fiends. Offensive physical units(Leon, Jesse, Deen, bow knight Atlas) should take down everyone but the bonewalkers and fiends since they have too much HP to ORKO.

>>379076493
>crop the cream
What the fuck and I writing.

>>379076493
>At least in awakening children units were worth it and unique due to inheritance.
Nah, they still were a huge pointless waste of fucking time. There's absolutely no reason on wasting dozens of hours training them unless you're one of the few people that play pvp. I seriously hope they ditch that retardation next game.

>>379076493
It's not the game's fault you take things too far.

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>>379076493
>>379076681
the only thing i will admit about awakening's children thing is that it made more sense then fates, but awakening still had some issues with children

what is "cynthia looking at a guy that doesn't have blue hair and going "yeah that has to be my father chrom"

what is "Laurent gets sent to the past 5 years before everyone else but just did fuck all instead of trying to save the future"

most of these children are either "i want to try to help but its on a much smaller scale rather then the large scale i need it to be" like with most of the other characters or "the future sucks and i just wanna be alone and do nothing to fix it", Yarne and Gerome fit under the latter description, the only one i have no problem with is morgan because they just kinda show up and know jack shit about whats going on, which is kinda lazy too in a way.

i just still find it hard to believe that only Lucina actually made an effort to change any of their fates, well cynthia trys but she's literally retarded, but i atleast give her credit for TRYING.

>>379076681
I don't know how they are in fates, but the children in awakening are pretty much always way stronger than their parents. Inheriting skills they can't get otherwise while having higher stat caps than their parents will do that.

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Hey Ike, you think your Aether is OP? That's cute.

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>she will never pegged you

It hurts lads

>>379059250
I'm surprised she shares the same VA as P5 Makoto

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>first turn on Alms first map in chapter 3
>Clive has 27 HP
>witch teleports
>2 times 14 damage
>lose a defensive character on turn 1 and you can do nothing about it except restart or use scumwheel

They could really have put in 5 hours of work to remove shit like this. They had time for a shitty Yandere, but massive gameplay flaws get to stay.

How do I not suck at these games?

>>379079880
Why? VO director did his job right this time.
Rudolf is Sojiro, Tobin is Akechi, Grey is Ryuji, Celica is Futaba. There are many others as well.

>>379079938
This teleporting shit these witches do is pure ebola.
I have had characters got singled out on turn one and there was literally nothing I could have done against it. Fucking. bullshit.

>>379079938
Place some unit behind with good resist. It's not rocket science.

>>379080593

>avoid getting raped by TELEPORTING RANGED ATTACKERS with positioning

k

>>379080684
There is a pattern to their teleportation.
Are you not using invoke to bait enemies on Celica's route as well?

>>379080684
They always attack at 2 range with Fire, so you can try to cut off all the two range spots with other units to protect Clive.

>>379080889

>protect your tank thats supposed to be on the frontline with a circle of casters

Great game design and super useful with two witches that teleport on seperate turns. Im sure Silque will gladly tank the 30 physical hits until Clive gets to walk out of his witch-protection-circle.

>>379080797

I dont see a pattern, I moved the same way and the first witch attacked different units, and the second witch sometimes ports on turn 3 and sometimes she doesnt port at all.

Of course I use invoke, its a spell that makes sense. Finding alleged patterns to avoid death on turn 1 on a "safe" units doesnt make sense.

>>379081380
Witches always teleport to units in the very front or the very back. Have someone with good res lag behind.

>>379081380
>tank thats supposed
Not with that resistance. Are you not looking at your own stats?

>>379080889
Or you can just actually move Clive near the front. Witches kill benchmaster units often because you don't move them forward and they like to single out the rear of the party.

>>379080797
I'm not entirely sure if there's a pattern, they seem to pick targets completely at random. They don't pick my weakest unit, they don't pick the one with the lowest Res. If anything, I think they teleport to whoever is left all the way behind your squad. And it doesn't matter since they're really weak all the way to the endgame, it would be fucking bullshit if these teleporting witches had more than 20 ATK and speed.

>People actually picked the edgy looking guy over sexy mature mage
Flaming homos, all of yous

>>379072057
what did he mean by this

>>379081805
FIVE
DREAD
FIGHTERS

>>379081904
>not recruiting kliff as Celica

SIX DREAD FIGHTERS

>>379081980
>Not forking Boey
SEVEN DREAD FIGHTERS

>>379082058
THIS HAS TO STOP

>>379082058
>not forking Conrad
EIGHT DREAD FIGHTERS

wait a fucking minute
is conrad GAY?

>>379081523

Ok, for the slow ones.

The whole enemy frontline is full of physical attackers and Clive has strong HP and defense. Hes supposed to be a tank against those units and would be in any FE thats not designed by a complete retard.
They could have added the witches to the frontline instead of giving them teleport and Clive would make a shitty tank in that situation as well, but it would be good game design.

>>379082289
Clive is just shit at everything.

>>379077503
Are you kidding ? Aether hits twice, healing on 1st hit, ignore defense on the 2nd AND that count as one hit, i.e he can still attack again given enough SPD.
Did I mention it work on enemy's phase too ?

git gud, they stop once you beat the guy who sends them. it really shouldn't be too difficult.

>>379082365
I was honestly thinking of just not fielding Clive at all in my next playthrough, he fucking sucks. Not even useful in the earlygame maps either.

>>379082613
I reckon Clive will be comfortably be in the top half of FE echoes tier lists.

>>379082742
that's pretty low for a starting cavalier

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>>379082742
Good joke

>>379082742
Clive is the worst unit in the game.

Every unit has the potential to be good in echoes except for Boey and Clive. Tobin makes a good archer with his good skill growth, Gray is a great merc, Forsyth is a solid tank, and Python is a late game powerhouse. However, while Boey is a shit mage, he's still a mage.

>no weapon triangle

Where does the strategy come from then?

>>379082852
I'd have to replay Echoes seriously to form judgement though.
>>379082857
I never knew running Clive meant that Mathilda cannot be fielded.
Such a shame.
>>379083094
I also always forget that 20/20/20 final stats are all that matters in Echoes.
Did you know that Echoes only has one map? The final map?

>>379083284
The weapon triangle hasn't traditionally mattered much in FE, just equip whatever hits at 1-2 range to your strongest units and you're good for the whole game.

>>379048807
Warp->Rescue. Alternatively, just warp Alm and a couple of Dread Fighters onto the supply tiles and let the enemies kill themselves.

>>379083284
Positioning

>>379083553
...no.
Not in this game.

Can anyone find me the music where we fought Rudolf? It sounded so Hunchback of Notre Dame-y. Plus I still couldn't memorize the name of the songs in the OST yet.

Also...

>Emperor Rudolf refuses to attack
THANKS, I LOVE SADOMASOCHISM, INTELLIGENT SYSTEM.

I'm a huge fucking Telliusfag and I thought Awakening was alright, will I like this? I know it's kinda different to other FEs...

>>379082483

> they stop once you beat the guy who sends them

So...the final map then ?

>>379074786
The first one, iconic! I can tell the remade version immediately.

>>379083647
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrfutC6DDq8

>>379083441
It only matters for axe users, especially Bersekers and such, since Swordmasters rape them and there's nothing they can do about it.
Swords and Lances don't give a fuck though.

>>379083301
Where the fuck did that come from? Why the fuck would you state that clive is one of the better units of the game then? There are units with retarded growths(delthea) and units with not so retarded growths(Tobin's non skill growth), but all of them except for the two I originally mentioned will carry you.

Also stop falling for the promote immediately meme.

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>>379083652
You'll probably like this one just fine.

>>379083758
Aww yiss. Thanks, anon! Shit, even the title. Man, perfect.

;_;

>>379083776
No have you ever attacked a Ninja or a spearmaster with someone like Ryoma?
You get like 50-60% hit rates

>>379050516
The difference is with Tharja was that they tried to pay it off like her insanity was only a minor "funny" character quirk. With Faye, her obsession with Alm is portrayed as an actual problem that makes everybody very uncomfortable, and even puts her in danger at times. Alm and Faye's A-support supports this. He friendzones her, and the support bonuses that come from it are, like, plus strength and crit and minus avoid to reflect the unnecessary danger she puts herself in for Alm.

At least that's how its presented in the localization.

>>379083758
That is such a good fucking piece of music.

Why is SoV's soundtrack so fucking good?

>>379058776
Oh shit son, that's cute. Might buy this afterall.

>>379083652
If you liked Awakening, you'll definetly enjoy Echoes as well.

>>379083441

Ever try hitting a ninja with a 1-2 range sword.
Oh wait, you clearly haven't played Conquest.

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Like clockwork.

A Level 10 Sniper should not have these kinds of stats.

>>379083784
Clive is one of the better units in the game thanks to class, join time and bases.
He also doesn't need to be fed to be decent meaning you get a serviceable unit who doesn't dictate the pace of your army.

>>379083889
Oh, I meant it for the series in general, which is why I said Swordmaster and not Master Samurai.

>>379067563
>Celica doesn't have Seraphim yet
>surround the necrodragon with units and hack it to death

>>379084036
Not once did this guy get more than two stat ups on my playthrough. Don't turn your villagers into cavaliers folks, don't make the same mistake I did.

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>>379084036
EVERY
SINGLE
LEVEL UP
>Ding
>Umm...

>>379084115
WTA means a lot more in the later games since in FE11 IS changed the way Weapon rank bonuses work.
Echoes doesn't have WTA bonuses so everone has 80% hit rates vs everyone else unless they are on terrain.

>>379084036
NEVER
COUNT
TOBIN
OUT

>>379084075
Clive was fucking shit when he joined jesus christ. Fucker was so bad I regretted not making someone a cav.

I would rather use Jagen late game than use fucking Clive.

>>379060357
KEK. This is some rare Jedahs.

Saved.

>>379084310
same, jesus tobin. None of my villagers except kliff as a sniper got to the endgame

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>>379084358
>>379084310
>>379084036
I love personal experiences
They make people think they know how units work.

>>379084156
There's two of them on Hard

>>379048646

Dub
The fact that it was fully voiced and good is a real nice refresher after the garbage voice in fates

>>379050824
>Silque best girl
My man!

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>>379084589

>>379084407
Well, I didn't play any of the DS games yet so I don't know how much they changed after 9. Are the Triangle bonuses more meaningful in there? Like, will a Swordsmaster not kill everything regardless of weapon?

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>Get to Rudolph's battle
>Holy fuck, what is this? Enemies with actual stats? I can't just faceroll my way through it?
>Finish it in 3 tries
>Everything afterwards goes back to being brainless

>>379048646
dub

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>>379050824
>>379084824
great taste

>>379084901
one of the best chapters imo, play it on hard tho if you dont wanna do bruteforce

>>379050516

faye was a fucking mistake
she was a fucking cunt to silque for no reason, silque seriously just wanted to chill with another girl

>>379079261
ESL user here, what is it meant by pegged?

>>379050824
>>379084824
>>379085035
>le mommy walk wit me (^:;

>>379085079
I am on hard, it was great.

>>379085159
You can't deny that when she said her move quote, you get so pumped to beat or heal the shit out of people in Mila's name.

>>379058774
I only used Boey for their supports.

>>379083784
Some dude on reddit, the guy who does the 0% growth runs for the older games, has the calculations and its best to either promote immediately, or grind to the maximum degree.

https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/6deuwk/the_numerical_basis_behind_promoting_asap_in_sov/

>>379085125

From Urban Dictionary:
a man who recieved a strap on dildo in the ass from a woman

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>play Echoes first time
>tobin as Soldier
>Faye as Peg Knight
>It's shit for Tobin, ok for Fae
>plays for the second time
>Faye as Cleric
>Tobin as Archer
>they wreck everting in their way

>>379085125
>user
Goddamn, you really are an ESL.

>>379057531

unless you like over the top goofy anime characters and truly godawful writing i would skip fates

>>379084310
Tobin's the best Paladin around on my game, Clive and Mathilda both suck shit in comparison, also Mathilda on my game is literally just Clive but with shit DEF instead of shit RES.

I want Clair to sit on my face

>>379085563
I really should've taken then hint in the beginning stages when you find Tobin's arrows before I made him a merc.

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Post your favorite track in SoV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpLU8BI02wQ

>>379051479
>Clive is shit
>wants one of the biggest memes in the game and Berkuck to be playable

Why are stat boosts so shit in the game
Why are there like 10 open maps with some terrain
Why are there so many shit characters ie Python, Clive, Lukas

>>379085613
User, speaker. Goddamn, don't nitpick.

>>379081805
SONO TEDOH KA!

What does Star Jacinth do? Is it worth my time?

>>379085732
Tied between these two
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj0E1e_T3io
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqpkktJqNZI

>>379086190
>reach chapter 4
>those tracks no longer play, even when you reach the post game

Just end me

>>379085408
So the units with good growths are still well worth leveling up though.

You'll be glad you did when you hit up Thabes.

>>379063709

this
it was refreshing to see them act slightly more like real people and not just some bullshit anime tropes