find me a more annoying level

>>379035535
I liked it though, you just had to roll when a projectile was close

The short level with all the toxic statues.

I could post a repeating list of levels from that game and each one would be worst than the last

>>379035535
Iron Passage

That shit was great. Especially with that bit at the end where you get invaded.

>>379035535
The first level of Super Mario Bros.


/planet

>>379036413
close but the fact that it's so short takes it out of the running

Iron Keep in Scholar.

It's not even hard just incredibly tedious.

>>379035535
>Having your brightness this high

Amana is only hard if you have absolutely no means of ranged combat

the entirety of sunken king

>>379037008
i havent played this in a while but i remember ranged combat broke most of the game, especially with poison arrows

The only part of this level that really annoyed me was the section where they're knights all rush toward you at the same time, those fuckers were hard to.dodge in a group.
Thankfully the message feature enabled me to leave a message showing the exact point where you could bait them one at a time, so that made running through to farm ttitanite easier.

>>379037002
>he doesn't know

Most of dark souls II looked like someone turned fullbright mode on. DSII is a terrible game anon, I don't blame you for not knowing.

>>379035535
This is only hard if you make it hard for yourself. Pretty much like the entire game. No one is forcing you to play through it slowly. Just run straight through if it's kicking your ass.But no. People would rather complain. The only time I had trouble here was if I wanted to get all the treasures.

dude just get a spell parry shield lmao why are you guys so shit at these games

>want to explore every inch of level to make sure i don't miss anything
>use a torch
>cant 2 hand my main wepon, dont have the stats to 1 hand it
>enemies and HOMING projectiles coming at you from all angles
>roll and the torch goes away, cant block either
>on top of this you move half speed
>no rusted iron ring in the game
>eventually give up and snipe everyone
this level is a chore any way you slice it

>>379037781
>use a torch
lmao

>>379037649
>dude just run through the level
this argument can be applied to most levels in souls

>>379037842
is there another light source? genuine q. i aint tiptoeing around the edges

>>379037864
And my point stands. Souls is only as hard as you make it out to be. People like to gimp themselves and then complain about it. Summoning ,makes things easy, but people won't and then complain that it's too hard. Using a bow to kite makes things easy, but people won't and then they'll complain. Yes, the game is going to be hard if you limit your options.

>>379037932
You don't need torch, and the edges are easy to see anyway

>>379037781
>>379037932
Don't forget. Underwater enemies are attracted to torched and agrros when you get near them.

the entirety of dark souls 3
not annoying in a fun way like dark souls 2. But in the "holy fuck I'm so bored please just let the game be over" kind of way

>>379035535

>tfw played pure melee build

For a late-game area it's pretty well designed. That's more than can be said for the first Dark Souls.

Please get fucking good.

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>>379035535
Nothing will ever surpass Wizardry 4 in pure level design cruelty.
>you have no compass
>all the hallways look the same
>enemies can and will instakill you or steal plot-important items

>>379035535
Fridig Outskirts
Iron Passage
Cave of the Dead
Gutter
Black Gulch

Just to name a few.

>>379037573
>making shit up to try to fit in
hello /v/eddit
base das2 is brighter than scholar, and scholar has the best lighting in the series by far

>>379037973
running through every level isn't a reasonable way of playing, the game clearly isn't designed for that, seeing as most people need souls to succeed at the game, but of course this doesnt apply to the 1% of people who do SL1 naked runs on their first run

>>379037193
just like every rpg in existence

>>379038316
Not every level, anon. Just this one. The danger comes from dallying or straying off course. If you just run form safe zone to safe zone, you could easily make it to the halfway hut, and then it;s just kiting knights until you're confident enough to run through the cave to the bonfire.

>>379038127
it's not though
>>379038259
the gutter is actually pretty well designed (i used to hate it but playing it recently changed my mind) the only thing that truly sucks about it is the random breaking floors

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>>379035535
The library

>>379035535
Shrine of Amana got nerfed, SotFS Iron Keep is now the annoying level.

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>>379035535
Kinda bummed me out how the Greatsword was relegated to being the NUkid weapon in DS2, just cause it had high damage and you got it relatively early.

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>>379035535
>what is a bow and that ring that lets you shoot twice as far

>>379038112
just upgrade a crossbow
how people can complain so much when the game gives you a plethora of options for every occasion baffle me

>>379037781
what the hell main weapon where you using that you couldn't one hand it by that late in the game?

>>379038358
wrong

>>379038535
one that had 30 for something, i forget what it was, one of the swords

>>379038240
call me a faggot if you must, but from how you describe it, it just sounds like a badly designed game if those mechanics are what are at it's core.

>>379038448
not for money or time, but I have a lot of regret for buying SotFS just on principle. that kind of bullshit they pulled should never be supported in any medium, and I'm a fool for blindly trusting the company to provide what they advertised. SotFS, on top of just being a shitty version of the first game, ruined any possible longevity that DS2 might have had.

>>379038754
still about as active as dark souls is. even more so probably since most people playing dark souls don't even use dscm

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>>379035535

>>379038283

Jesus christ, you're fucking joking right?

Scholar didn't fix the base game. Nothing can fix Dark Souls 2 in its current state.

I mean, if it ended up using the engine of DkS3 and adopting all the mechanics of it, then it might be an okay game. It has some nice environments but there is so much fucking wrong with the game that I can't even defend its good parts.

>we are now at the point where people post-ironically think DkS2 is a good game

>>379038850
which version?

that room near throne of want bonfire with 6 or 8 sentinels

>>379038283
SotFS looks the same as the base game you fucking retard

>>379038967
PvP and build variety are all that matters in a Souls game. DaS2 is the best because of that.

>>379038967
we were talking about lighting you dense fucking retard

>>379038976
PC

>>379039028
Objectively does not. keep sucking Miyazaki's chose, drone

>>379038475
Crossbows aren't fun

Hitting people with my club is fun

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>mfw Shrine of Amana pre-patch on PS3

>>379039219
>PC
I'm talking between Scholar and original, Anon. the two games cannot connect to each other through online. it's the whole issue that I'm trying to argue here.

You can only post in this thread if you beat un-patched release form Shrine of Amana on Dark Souls II.

>>379039498
well no shit the non scholar version is dead, there is no reason to play it for PvP anymore. scholar has ~3k daily and more on weekends. das3 is already dying down to 8-9k usually

>>379039596
Why? People who've beat the game after the patch would still be able to beat it anyway.

>>379039295
then stop being shit and hit them

>>379035535
>dark souls
>levels

>>379039596
wasn't that bad because I know how to play video games. also played the fuck out of DaS before patches rolled out

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What, no Lost Izalith?
No eye-raping lava or 5 GORILLIAN DRAGON BUTTS?
Or the entire area having worst fucking bosses in the game?

The "stealth" section in LiS.

>>379039596
Yeah, and I did it with the Demon Great Hammer and no ranged weapons. I sold the game two weeks later because the game was a piece of shit compared to Dark Souls 1 and Demons Souls.

>>379039596
I don't remember it being all that hard. Maybe I was using a good shield for the situation. I just kept moving and fighting. I suppose it was harder if you're the careful kind of player.

>>379038459
>that retarded fucking stance
>that armor

I forgot how horrible this game looks.

>>379038613
Wizardry 4, unlike the rest of the series, exists primarily to kick you in the dick.
Pretty much every other game in the franchise, while still difficult, gives you a chance. You're expected to make your own map, sure, and it'll still kill you a bunch, but it didn't get THAT cruel when it came to fucking you over when it came to figuring out where the fuck you were.
Wizardry 4 was an exercise in sadism for the designers. Wizardry 4 fucking hates the player.

>>379039986
I needed sunglasses while playing this part

>>379038283
> scholar has the best lighting in the series by far
???

>>379037573
Really? Huh. I always felt DS2 was too fucking dark. I could never fucking see anything

>>379039986
it was forgettable more than anything, not really annoying except for BoC

>>379040656
they designed it so a lot of levels are dark to use the torches, unfortunately the levels look trash as a resul

>>379040651
looks way better than 3. darks are dark, fires cast light like they're supposed to, colors are vivid. as opposed to 1 which just has static lighting and giant brightness aura around you, and 3 which is entirely washed out and bright as base das2

>>379035535
Iron Keep
Gutter

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hmm

>>379040917
>washed out
This is the absolute biggest fucking offense in 3s graphical design, and in a lot of modern games in general.

>>379040917
Don't forget that DaS3 torch doesn't even cast shadows.
Trash tier compared to 2.

>>379040917
The darks aren't dark though, there is almost a total lack of environmental shadows, it's fullbright: the game. sotfs didn't fix shit in that regard

>>379041946
Are you talking about Dark Souls 3 perchance?

Because that's exactly what you're describing.

>>379042041
no, i didnt even mention 3

why is is every time someone bad mouths 2 the automatic response is "B-BUT 3 DID IT WORSE"

>>379040516
Yeah, fuck you too. Heide chainmail is great.

>>379041946
I really don't understand how you can defend 2's lighting issues, even comparatively.

>>379042413
Meant for >>379042041 obviously

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>>379035535
you guys ever play bullet hell or any game that makes you manage several projectiles at once? sometimes it feels like im only talking to people who picked up video games the day before on this board

>>379042253
>B-BUT 3 DID IT WORSE

I don't think he explicitly said that.

>>379041327
>>379041327
DELET THIS NEPHEW

>>379035535
Well the whole game was pretty annoying and frustrating. Especially if you played the previous Souls games.

People who disagree with OP are post patch babies.

>>379042515
It is irrelevant
A non argument to deflect from having to actually explain why he thinks the lighting system in sotfs is good, let alone the best in the series

>>379042515
"looks way better than 3"

The one level with the frozen statues and everything is green.

>>379042506
don't act surprised that no one wants to play your cheap uguu faggot games

>>379042745
>>379042785
Not even the person you were originally responding to, and in no place in >>379042041
is DaS2 being defended or even mentioned.

What is said in >>379041946 can be equally applied to DaS3, so take your fucking heads out of the partisan sand.

And what SotFS does right in terms of lighting, it does better than DaS3, there's no getting around that.

>>379042887
that doesnt excuse you from being a pisspants, pisspants. go pick up some games.

Weapons

Ds2>ds3>ds1

Magic

Ds2>Ds1>ds3

World design

Ds1>ds3>ds2

Use of Lore

Ds1>Ds2>Ds3

Refute this

>>379035535
Lost Izalith is 100 times worse than patched Shrine of Amana
Pre-patch Shrine of Amana is probably the worst level out of DeS, DaS I, and DaS II
cba to play DaS III

Aam I alone in being absolutely terrified of the jailors in DaS3?

>>379043061
>pisspants
at least try

>>379038931
this shit without alucard is so fucking annoying, not even this part ultimately but putting the hardest part of the level right after and making THIS the checkpoint

>>379043036
>umm, i think you'll find in no place was dark souls 2 mentioned in my post. checkmate!

Fuck off with that. This is a Dark Souls 2 thread. The reply chain was about Dark Souls 2. Stop being coy.

>>379043115
Dark Souls 3 goes overboard with cheap-feeling gimmick weapons. In fact, it's gimmicks: the game.
Depending on what aspects you approach world design from, DaS3 and DaS2 can both beat each other.

>>379043217
want something edgier? would that accurately describe you more? i call things for what they are, pisspants. now off you go

>>379042745
Pull out a torch and the lighting system instantly becomes the best in the series as none of the other games can conceivably compete with that torch.

>>379043115
The world design considered in a gameplay sense is better in DaS2 than in DaS3. Considered from a logical perspective (A connects to B connects to C) DaS3 is better than DaS2. DaS1 has them beat in both regards.

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>>379035535

>>379043507
No one argues that the dynamic lighting with the torch looks bad, i think most people can agree it looks great

The default lighting in 90% of the areas however, is dogshit, and makes the game fucking ugly most of the time

>>379043419

>>379040917 Clearly adresses all 3 games, and the previous posts talk about 2 in regards to the SERIES as a whole.
Fuck off with your partisanship where a person can't point out fucking hypocrisy in critisising a game for the exact same reasons its sequel fails worse in, without you avoiding the point and trying to degrade the other person with
>UMM, B-B-BUT DS3!!! Checkmate!!!!!1
You have no integrity, fucking grow up and stop being a shitposting partisan hack.

Seriously, what makes DS2 look so different than ask the other souls games?

It's like they totally got rid of lighting and reflections or something.

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>>379043751

>>379044074
DaS2 armor has some of the best reflections in the series, the game just doesn't contrast so lighting casts weak shadows.

>>379044074
0 development time and constraints. people like to say "B-team" when Tanimura wasn't even in the wrong, Bamco was.

>DaS2 is now the best in series
I predicted this, the contrarianism is real.

>>379044301
Some people made it through the game without dying 1,000,000 times

>>379044438
>you don't like it coz you're bad at it >:(
holy shit how old are we, 15?

>>379044301
It's subjective. I prefer DaS2 over any other game because I go PvP than PvE.

>>379039986
Centipede Demon was an okay boss, but everything else was low-effort garbage. You can tell they were rushed when they did Demon Ruins and Lost Izalith

The section leading up to the blue smelter demon.

>>379044301
>people form their own opinions
wow what the le heck I thought we loved our guy eceleb

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>>379044856
>Centipede Demon was an okay boss

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>>379044343
>tfw I gave up on IV:A when I got lost in the first brane

>>379043375

>>379043859

>>379044343
The final boss is so dam good it makes that shitshow bearable. Barely.

>>379035535
cant

>>379043580
This part pissed me off so much, the only redeeming bit was getting the true cave story ending

>>379035535
I stopped playing around that part. But it had less to do with the area being annoying. And more to do with the fact that I simply wasn't having much fun with the game after putting on the agape ring.

>>379044130
Don't tell me those pits are invisible until you step on them.
They totally are, aren't they?

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>>379052003

>>379035535
Best level in all Souls.

>>379035535

it's easier than iron keep

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>>379052924
That's just cruel, man.
Is there a way to detect them other than stepping on them? Can the FOEs walk over the pits?

>>379053278
The FOE paths are safe IIRC. It's still incredibly annoying because the FOEs move one tile every time you move two so you get twice the amount of random encounters if you follow them.

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>>379035535
here you go, kiddo

>>379036973
this. The sanic speed knights are too fast so you have to pick them off one by one

>>379053945
beat it with my eyes closed

>>379055310
have you tried vanilla, scrub?

>>379035535
Every other level in Dark Souls 2.
The Iron King DLC offered the worst of the game's level design

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>>379035535
What's so annoying about it? I just had the Dragonrider bow on my pure STR knight character and shot the priestesses to death easily. The area itself is really beautiful and is one of the most moody and atmospheric locations in the entire franchise.

>>379055620
Not everyone fights ranged. My character was a hobo that picked up a sword, not an archer.

That is a bad thing because dodging or blocking three to five homing projectiles with the longest range in the game while trying to avoid falling off a cliff and bleed causing enemies hiding under the water is a tad bit troublesome.

>>379037573
>Most of dark souls II looked like someone turned fullbright mode on.
You are delusional.Fix your monitor.

>>379055620
On launch there were more spell spammers and they didn't relent. They had to tone it down.

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>>379035535
Stranglehold, FUCKING PENTHOUSE

>>379055867
>Not everyone fights ranged.
I did Amata with a great hammer.
All you have to do is run to the caster and one shot him...then you run back to recover stamina and repeat until all casters are out.

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>>379035535
DIVE DIVE DIVE
HIT YOUR BURNERS, PILOT!

I FUCKING HATE IT SO MUCH I JUST FELL DOWN A FUCKING PIT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FUCKING SEE SHIT

>>379035928
what if your stamina runs out

>>379035535
I dropped the game after that level and the next one.
>just use shield against homing projeciles
get hit by other enemies and staggered to death
>falling down holes you barely see because hard gamez xD
>self healing enemies with crowds next to them that will stagger you to death when you get near the healing ones
I know that you can just snipe them but that just isn't fun, waiting a minute for each enemy to die.
also shit tier frog boss that is basically
>now you hit me
>now you don't
then next area
>dude bgorillion of spawning ghosts
I know that you're supposed to break the graves but still spawning enemies aren't fun either
>boss whose 2nd phase is just a dumb shield that makes him receive less damage and then cast some one shotting balls

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>>379056836

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>he had trouble with amana, even during pre-patch
literally fucking HOW? if you can't block or dodge magic with ease by that point of the game clearly dark souls is not for you

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>>379039986
>yfw playing lost izalith for the first time, PRE-PATCH

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first area of the ringed city

>>379035535
waht gaem is dis op

>>379038613

As stated:
>>379040567

Wizardry IV was designed to be the hardest game ever. It's not even an RPG you can level past your problems in because you get a set number of level ups in the game as you progress past certain points.

That being said it's a 30 year-old game and it was a different time and it was made for a different audience. It's bad design for a major audience, but back then games were designed for a niche and weren't intended to appeal to everyone. The CRPG niche wanted ball-bustingly hard. A game didn't need to sell a million to break even, 50,000 sales would have been an unthinkable success. In the eyes of the people these old games were made for the design was perfectly fine.

A modern example might be a fighting game with techniques that require a one frame input window. It's bad design for most people, but there's a niche that want to practice nearly impossible moves for years. In 1987 there were people wanted their balls busted in an impossible dungeon for hundreds of hours.

>>379037781
best way i've found is to clear the area then go back and explore, though i wouldn't bother exploring amana until you've killed vendrick

>>379043115
The only thing ds1 has is the world and the lore
Everything else is pure crap in comparison to 2 and 3.

>>379061354
Even on release, the only difficult part of that is finding your way through the swamp for the first time.

>>379062832
Dark Souls II

>>379057912
dark souls 2 isn't for anyone with taste