Saturday night RTS support group

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List changest marked from suggestions from last week

>>379028109
replace Sins of a Solar Empire Trinity with Rebellion

Where the fuck is Dungeon Keeper 2 and why isnt it in god tier

>>379028109
>moving down BW two spaces

for what pvrpose

Crusader kings 2

>>379028109
shit listing

quite a number of those on Mid tier deserves to be on High tier

>>379028109
>BW going down

fuck you, who approved that

>>379028109
why is coh 1 above coh 2 when it's a worse game?

>>379028109
>Age of Empire III
>mid tier

BLASPHEMY

Something similiar to C&C Generals? Modern warfare.

>>379029675
World in Conflict

>>379029560
>coh1
>worse than coh2

>>379028109
>frozen throne
>god tier

fucking lel. Warcraft rts lived and died with 2.

>>379028109
LotV is High Tier and DoW3 is currently Low tier.

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I've been playing some Cossacks, does anyone have recommendations on which specific campaigns to play?

Personally I prefer American Conquest and Fight Back, but some of the campaigns there are straight up bullshit so I never beat all of them

>>379029769
>no true sight
>more balance issues than coh 2

>>379027938
So where can I download BFME2? Been wanting to for awhile but I can't find a good site for it.

>>379027938
where do i download?

>>379029898
Oh also it's really nice that the AI in Cossacks isn't turned onto 1000% rape mode

In random map games the AI in American Conquest was pretty ridiculous, even on easiest

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>>379029898
>mfw the skirmish ai in fight back

>>379028109
Judging by this image, has this genre had a "good" game in the last 10 years?

I like Sc2, I have a love/hate relationship with everything by Relic, and I wish the total war games were better. Am I a shitter or is this whole genre fucked?

>>379030474
you're a shitter, but remember that /v/ is full of nostalgiafags. they'd be blathering on about starcraft no matter what was being released

>>379030474
it depends on what you are looking for.

Some of the new releases are either really safe (Act of aggression, grey goo, deserts of kharak) or do something too radically different and alienate the rts core fanbase (dow3).

Problem here is that RTS are very niche for some reason, even when they had the potential to be mainstream and even attracted big ips like LOTR and SW. I think the genre just needs new blood, newer players that get hooked in the kind of gameplay rts offer and other strategy games can't give, and that is the excitement of commanding huge armies and crush your enemies.

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Has anyone here played Syrian Warfare?

I know absolutely nothing about it but I would explode some terrorists, I mean why not

>>379029981
>>379030073
gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=910882

as some anon posted last week. It's pretty comfy

>>379031221
anything LOTR is comfy as far as I'm concerned. Thanks, Anon!

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>>379027938
>Make an RTS
>Remove units
>add capitalism
Can't decide if I like it. Nice concept though.

>>379029450

Kill yourself

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>>379031553
This is a "play it with your friends" type of game, right?

Why the fuck is RA2 only mid-tier, and Yuri's Revenge isn't even on there?

>>379031661
What's your problem?

You can't deny that CK2 is a strategy game that can be played in real time.

>>379029509
I honestly think a lot of these games are just too fucking good... a mid tier RTS is something I'd consider very high tier in a video games that are fun category... It's hard to say which ones should be higher than the others....

>>379027938
>Reminder Battle for Middle Earth 2 is free to download and play due to EA's license expring

where?

>>379028109
>bw knocked down because spergs
Is it time to just start filtering these tier lists?

>>379031952
Not really, the goal of that game is to set up a good economy and buy out the other players.

You get to a point where all the resource claims are taken and the only way to get an edge is to sabotage enemy production and manipulate the market. Surprisingly competitive.

>>379028109

Thanks for demonstrating how retarded /v/'s opinions are.

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>>379032186
So it's a multiplayer game?

To play with friends?

>>379028109
myth 2 is good, but needs to be moved down have you tried playing it lately its aged

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>>379027938
Where the DoW fags at?

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>>379027938
STARCRAFT BROOD WAR FINALS IN 4 HOURS

>>379032020
except CK2 has a dedicated group to talk about it in /vg/.... us RTS-fags are here because we couldn't even have 1 thread survive in /vg/ for more than a day

>>379032319
Yes, multiplayer or there are a couple single player campaigns.

>>379032082
>>379032082
>>379032082
please respond

>>379032584
Read the damn thread.

>>379028109
>lego battes
>mid tier

should i try it?

>>379032562
I'm excite

>>379028109
C&C tiberium wars and kanes wrath as low trier
what fucktard made this list

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>>379028109

>someone didn't move Supreme Commander up to god tier when initially making the list
>at some point someone actually thought SC was only "okay"

Yes, I see the green star, but that's not the bloody point.

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>>379028109
>RA2 and RA1 not in high teir

Come on familio come on

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>>379032097
I just did what anons told me last week

>>379032385
it's dated but it's still fairly unique and fun still, I don't know any other game that plays like it

>>379032961
Why would you ever follow /v/'s advice?

>>379031210
Looks good, unknown developer though. Wargamer.com liked it, that's a good sign.

>>379032863
supcom needs its own tier above god tier as it's objectively the best RTS ever created

>>379033046
You realize you are /v/ as well, right?

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>>379028109
where does Netstorm rank

it's literally free

>>379033193
Is it really? I got this shit on my backlog and I don't know if I should start playing this now.

>>379028109
>you can sort this list by ascending date created and it won't change much

RTS has really gone to shit...

>>379028109
>that one dark crusade fag
every thread

>>379033369
It's a good game. FA's campaign isn't the greatest though.

>>379033369
Personally, it almost feels bland to me because of the pure, generic futuro-roboty thematics, but it's a great game in general. Various strategies per faction, focuses almost entirely on macromanagement, unlimited resources.

It does some things extremely well.

>>379028109
Put Dawn of War 3 on "RTS" Tier

>>379031210
I played it and beat it. Its not an RTS but RTT. The game gets extremely hard from mission 3 and onwards but its fun

>>379033369
I really disliked SupCom honestly
There is some stuff like having the strategic map on your second screen but it's just so tedious and boring

Basically the campaign boils down to you building like four buildings, pressing the "build guys" button a lot and then sending a wave of units into your enemies base so they can weaken the defenses and make destroy one of this gun turrets
And then you do that again
And again
And again and again and again until the enemy's base is destroyed and you get to move on to the next mission which is exactly the same

I don't like SupCom and I'm not afraid to admit it

>>379033813
Agreed, mechanically Sup Com is ok but it lacks charm or personality. It's just blobs of robots grinding each other.

Are any of those Company of Heroes 2 dlc mission packs worth playing?

They're currently on sale on Steam.

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>>379027938
Been replaying the old campaigns

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>>379028109
Planetary Annihilation: Titans deserves at least mid Tier. It's a big improvement on the original release.

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>>379033813
I really like the game, but the campaign isn't it's strongest point. It's better on skirmish, or online if you can. I think FAF still has an active playerbase, but it's been a while for me.

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>>379033991
if you want bland see >>379034178

>>379031210
It's back up? It got taken down by a copyright troll pretty soon after it first appeared. The game is fun but sometimes frustrating. It can feel like it rewards memorizing where enemy units are more than rationally exploring the map. Just remember that your tanks are always vulnerable and that BMP's are made of paper. Fighting Al-Qaeda and ISIS at the same time as they also bomb each other is very fun.

>>379028109
The fact that SupCom isn't in the highest tier proves this list isn't to be taken seriously. Also, DoW II in high tier?????????

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>>379033813
well yea, the campaign is shit. Everyone admits that.

Any sense of story got fucked as well when they started killing each other again in SupCom2, with the added high school anime romance between the characters. We play it for RTS, not the plot

my webms of games are missing.... but those things are usually how matches go... nice back and forths

>>379034367
Yeah, they put it back up which is how I heard about it

>>379033652
>>379033190
All in all that sounds pretty good, I will check it out when I got a bit further through my backlog, thanks lads

>>379034314
It appears we have a problem on our hands, oh yes


why is brackman so based?

>>379033813
Why the fuck would you judge a RTS by the single player campaign? SupCom had a shitty campaign but the game is built for multiplayer which is where it shines. Go download FAF if you still have Forged Alliance installed, that's where the game becomes fun.

How the fuck do I get into Stronghold? I bought it thinking it was a comfy base-building game with some sporadic fighting late-game, but even in the economics campaign I get attacked by wolves right at the start and bandits within minutes. Am I playing it wrong? Should I play Stronghold Crusader instead? I'm actually finding it more stressful than the RTS games I've played before (AoE, BFME, SWGB etc)

>>379034314
>no unit responses or lines
>campaigns are generic AF
>all 4 factions share the same units with slight variations (for the most part, obviously experimentals and certain specific tiers of units are unique)
>units fulfill roles, they aren't interesting, even the names are boring (medium tank, light mech, siege mech, etc.)
>buldings all function exactly the same, no variation except the look of them.

Planetary annihilation might be bland but Sup Com is no better, saying it is the best RTS out there when it has these glaring flaws is stupid.

Where my SupCom FA bros at??

who /Cybran/ here

>>379034314
There's so much variety though.
Unit cannon, teleporters, orbital bombardment, death star, crashing their planet into a moon, nukes, long range artillery, suicide bomb bots and 3 different titans.

You never know which it will be.

>>379034607
>Why the fuck would you judge a RTS by the single player campaign?
These threads are full of complete casuals who play RTS games because they're 'comfy'

>>379034178
>Jewber entertainment start a kickstarter wanting millions
>Puts the game out for $90 for 'fans'
>Puts an unfinished game out for $60 for 'support'
>Releases 'Titans' a seperate game for $60 for the rest of the kickstarter promises

I'm still pretty fookin salty mate

>>379031221
Holy shit yes! I have the hard copy of BFME2 and I only have 7 out of 8 disks. Thanks, technology!

>>379033357
shit tier

>>379032961

Brood War is unquestionably the most famous RTS of all time, has a healthy tournament scene two decades after its release, has massive numbers of UMS maps to play with friends, has a number of good-to-great single-player campaigns, will soon have skill-based matchmaking patched in without changing the gameplay that has allowed it to endure so long, and is literally free to download.

The people arguing that it shouldn't be in god tier are sperglords that are buttmad it's popular when their pet game isn't, who got six-pooled and immediately because it's not no rush 20 minutes, or who rage at it being a 'gookclicker' with no understanding of the actual strategy involved in playing it seriously, no awareness of how good it is even if you're not trying to be the absolute best ever, and no sense of irony that they're complaining about the 'real-time' part of the genre. If no one bothers to argue against them, it is because anyone who's been on 4chan long enough knows that arguing with sperglords is a waste of effort.

>>379034650
the rts elements and economic elements are both simplistic as fuck, the only thing you can do is make cool looking castles

>>379034551
>creates clone of himself
>sends him to the front knowing he will do the impossible
>succeeds and is forever stranded in new earth as its ruler
>'all according to keikaku, oh yes. There's a bottle of whiskey by your compartment. Cybrans are now for you to rule'
>Seraphim shenanigans happens
>you become one of the elite commanders of the war
>enter SupCom 2
>"I'm sending you to commander school since you are technically only a highschooler."

They butchered the plot so much
Fletcher was right all along

There a lots of good RTS games, but SupCom honestly can't be beat. It has everything I could ever want from an RTS.
>Not in God tier
Change this list immediately

>>379027938
just finished my first c&c game through red alert 3... i bought the c&c 3 pack when it was on sale, which should i try next?

>>379035147
I like to pretend SupCom2 doesn't exist

>>379035213
the RA3 expansion obviously

>>379032071
well, I feel the same

>>379034718
that's how total annihilation was, i think supcom is stylish as hell but it's not personality driven like dow for example

>>379033193
As far as sci fi rts games go, absolutely.

>>379035382
wars fought entirely with robots are just so fucking boring
they need people dying

>>379035456
The commander units are people and killing them is the ultimate goal.

>>379035456
what ever you say, Dahmer
my problem with supcom is that its generally reaally slow, it takes too damn long to build an army. even with 6 land factories pumping em out

>>379032562
link?

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>>379028109
oi, you forgot about this gem

>>379035025
One can argue that it's all based on nostalgia though... the tournament scene itself is primarily in korea, where there's a lot of people who grew up playing it due to Korea's culture at the time... At the end of the day, WC and SC follow the same formula with minor changes. Even with the limited unit selection being present in both. Should both really be in god tier? I opted for WC3 since WC3 has a more global tourny scene in WCG

obligatory cheesy themesong since I typed out WCG - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IznCjaeJdQ
>>379035173
it's already getting deified as per last week's discussions

>>379035662
What? put engineers on the factory to help produce faster, that or you are lacking in energy and mass.

>>379028109
Fucking move Soulstorm garbage down. Worst DoW by far

>>379034719
>rebelling against the UEF
mofo you started this war. We just want to be comfy rulers of the universe

>>379035737
>At the end of the day, WC and SC follow the same formula with minor changes.
...They don't. They really don't. The focus on heroes alone makes WC3 play dramatically differently from BW.

>Should both really be in god tier?
Is space somehow limited?


Question about a different SC - if I install FAF, will I be able to meet up with people who are total scrubs like me? I have like half an hour in Forged Alliance.

>>379035662
Make sure you set your factories to auto-produce instead of waiting until you need a unit to add it to the queue.
You can also have engineers assist the factory to make it build faster, which is the preferred method if you aren't using FAF and it's patches.

>want to learn to play rts
>too afraid of getting bullied for being bad

>>379035737
nobody gives a shit about starcraft outside of korea and koreans only play it because they're soulless gooks who like to excel in activities that require zero creativity

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>>379036017
pew pew pew pew pew

>>379036017
>oppressing based androids
>not expecting to cause a revolution

get out of my way UEFag

>>379032460
seppuku

>>379031553
Watching the tournaments is pretty bonkers, it's a fucking tense and high-speed game, suprisingly.

>>379036030
fair, the heroes and creeps changes the dynamic. But what makes brood war stick out though? Nostalgia aside that makes it worthy of the pantheon?

>>379036061
talk to >>379036030
not me...

>>379032460
>DoWfags showing up to an RTS thread after selling out to the MOBA crowd...

Think I'm gonna reinstall Black and White 2. What creature should I run?

>>379036287
Already answered that.
>....has massive numbers of UMS maps to play with friends, has a number of good-to-great single-player campaigns, will soon have skill-based matchmaking patched in without changing the gameplay that has allowed it to endure so long, and is literally free to download.
Oh, and it's fun to watch, too

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>>379036363
oh man sorry I didn't know Relic completely erased DoW 1 and 2 after releasing the new one and made everyone their shill

cunt

>>379036287
>But what makes brood war stick out though?
esports in korea, thats it

>>379036363
I don't think DoW1 players or DoW2 players wanted DoW3 (as it is) to happen.
So don't be mean.

>>379036570
But DoW 1 and 2 are trash too!

>>379036551
you can say all the same things about warcraft 3

>>379031210
refunded it when i read the devs abandoned it due to lack of sales

>>379036717
Theyre making a new dlc for it though

So I just got Ashes of the Singularity in the humble monthly this week.

Is it worth playing?

>>379036681
Except WC3's balance was never as good, and it's not free. ( I don't recall if it has proper matchmaking, either. )

And, again, is space in god tier somehow limited? There's no reason NOT to have both.

>>379034718
Filthy casual detected. The RTS genre is driven by gameplay, everything else is secondary or tertiary even. I bet your favourite RTS is something that plays like shit but looks good and has quirky funny voice acting.

>>379036663
>>379036363

oh, we're sorry... okay, go ahead and support another developer from the RTS list that still makes games for us... go on... point out another one. I am considering Overwatch an ASSFAGGOTS game

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>>379036595
>i hurt myself today

>>379036804
It's more of a "stress test your build" game than an actual fun RTS. It's basically a watered down SupCom

>>379036852
Well, you have a win/loss ratio and a level.. and you are usually paired with others around the same thing. Although not too sure if there was an ELO.

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Are there any rts games that have viable pure defensive gameplay? Something like total annihilation with autistic amounts of turrets and strategic artillery. I suck at rts and this is the only way I can enjoy them.

>>379037361
play a tower defense game or civilization

>>379036985
PC gaming is a destructively competitive market tho
if you're not huge, you're nothing
but yeah, that is disheartening

>>379037361
The entire tower defense genre, if you can count it as an RTS.

>>379037427
it's literally the opposite
so many shit games can sell thanks to Steam

>>379037361
Stronghold perhaps

>>379037554
yes
but they dont get more than 5000 players

>>379028109
Why The FUCK is brood war being dropped
All CnC should be in high up until 3
HOTS to low
Steel Division to high

Where my Warrior Kings bros at? Never see it in these threads and it's even on steam apparently.

>>379036428
Monkey is always a solid choice, wolf, lion and Roger are for furfags

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>>379037361
Kingdom Rush seems perfect for you... Although it's more of a tower defense game... you get units and soldiers you move around...

>>379035662
>6 land factories

You need to coat the land with factories. Each one costs what, 4 or 5 tanks? you should have 1-2 engineers just making factories until you reach t2

>>379034143
waiting for remastered "summer"

>>379037427
meaningless

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>>379027938
>no ones mentioned this game yet
>/v/ disappoint

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>>379038347

>>379038347
>Deserts of Kekrak was a flop
>HW2 remaster was pretty crappy

be quiet and maybe the devs will leave it alone

>>379032562
>12 Protoss in the round of 24
>1 in the semis
>0 in the final

Protoss fags BTFO
How will they ever recover?

>>379036428
>no skirmish mode
still mad

>>379038079
never played, but judging from the steam videos, it sure looks a lot like Kohan

>>379038309
>this game has no players
>"because of this"
>lol thats meaningless

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Hi guys. Looking for a game similar to risk but instead of dice battles, you have total war type battles where you can set up your units and watch them fight the enemy. Kind of like totally Accurate Battle Simulator. Can any of you give me some recommendations?

>>379038632
>I made a thing up

>>379032803
this list was created back when there were great RTS and shit RTS. Little did we know that the shit RTS back then are levels beyond better than the shit we are getting now...

>>379038748
well, then show me the hundreds of steam greenlight games with 10's of thousands of players
faggot

>>379038434
anymore info on homeworld 3?

>>379038170
>>379037442
>>379038170
No, I mean actual rts games, not that shit.

>>379037641
Already played this one.

>>379039493
it's about multiplayer-only games, not steam or pc

Should I muster up the energy and motivation to buy LotV and get back into SC2 RTS? I left in the first place because excessive competition made the game less fun.

>>379038434
for real, what game/tech demo is this?

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>mfw I just won a coh 2 1v1 and I uniroincally used shocks and cons

>>379040608
Star swarm. A tech demo for the Nitrous engine that specializes in large scale battles with shitload of units using newest directx/mantle features to keep it smooth. Same as Ashes of the singularity demo, which later became an actual rts game.

Why do I even like RTS games lads? I'm not good at them at all, iirc I had to fight my way up to platinum when SC2 wol came out, I never played multiplayer when I was a kid, just struggled through single player campaigns

>>379041208
thx familia

>>379029729
tfw 1989 is still considered modern

>>379027938

>Reminder Battle for Middle Earth 2 is free to download and play due to EA's license expring
>Reminder Battle for Middle Earth 2 is free to download and play due to EA's license expring
>Reminder Battle for Middle Earth 2 is free to download and play due to EA's license expring

imma get on this shit.

i've been playing through grey goo. it's okay, campaign has nice cinematics but terrible writing and borign characters and mediocre gameplay

it feels like comand and conquer but a lot easiser / more bullshit

>>379041761


they are cOMFY

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How the fuck do you get good in Fortress Survival if any anons play.

The longest I can survive is 25 minutes.

>>379042567
>Immigrant Visa

fuck off we're full

>>379042567

Nice screenshot faggot.

>>379042647
What video game?

Looks good

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>>379042753
Hawks divided nations mod for American conquest: Divided nation

>>379029317

not an RTS

>>379029560
single player is better in 1, multiplayer is better in2.

>>379042810
I liked American Conquest and Fight Back, never played Divided Nation though

>>379034718

can you even imagine being this casual
compalining about a game not having voice lines on the chars

blizzdrone detected
Also...

>Ctrl-F Original War
>No results found

Ctrl-F RoboRumble
No Results found

kill yourselves

I came here to post this:

>>379035705

>>379032562
When is that shit exactly?

>>379042975
45 minutes

>>379027938
WOW! Does the Battle for The Middle Earth II include multiplayer? And is it free forever, or for a limited time?

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>>379042884
best game of the series IMO

ACFB was also fun with the Hawks European Warfare mod

>>379043039
I'm both lazy and stupid, can you please spoonfeed me where to watch it?

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>>379028109
>AoMythology in God.
>AoTitans in Mid.
Correct. Titans were such a terrible concept.

>Dungeon Keeper in High.
Incorrect. The game is ludicrously easy and poorly designed. It wasn't even supposed to be an RTS at first, but of course Molyneaux dreamt too big and reality had to come crashing down on him.

>>379043048
It's too bad it's not on Steam like the other games, I would totally play another American Conquest and shoot some yanks

Which knights and merchants should I try first?

>>379043064
fucking cunt

twitch tv/asl

>>379043245
what is this post

>>379043307
t-thanks

they talk in English, right?

>>379043245
sent ;)

>>379035456
aww, that's too bad
war isn't there to be cool and that is exactly why the setting of SupCom is so good

>>379027938
RTS is rare genre in a way that doens't really have all that many really bad games. Even the mediocre ones are plenty playable.

>>379043458
because it's boring?

>>379043381
Yes newfriend, its tasteless and artosis, they have been doing it for like 8 years together

>>379029675
Setting-wise, you're looking at Act of War, its expansion and Act of Aggression.
They are only vaguely similar, though and they try and run with a few of the concepts dropped in Generals (like the prisoners thing).

>>379043245
Can anyone help?

>>379028109
Soulstorm/other DoW games should be in high tier, and Soulstorm with UA mod in god tier.

>>379043819
I'm pretty sure begging is against the rules, and faggy feels shit also should be

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>>379043723
I know

I was wondering if it's them on the stream or if I'm about to tune in to the gooks

>>379043957
Is it against the rules if it's for Charity at the same time?

>>379027938
>Battle for Middle Earth 2 is free to download and play due to EA's license expring
Link?

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>>379043906
>Soulstorm with UA mod in god tier

It's a horrible mess full of fan-service. Super Robot Wars is an Allah-tier franchise but that doesn't make it any better at achieving the top ranks of TBS games charts because the only thing those games have going for them is the fanservice and they're horrible when you're not into robot anime.
Likewise with UA.

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>>379044179

>>379028109
Add men of war: ass squad 2 please.
I'd put it in high tier and move the original men of war down to mid.

>>379044253
https://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=910882

>>379029898
My dad beat all the campaigns in the first cossacks at max difficulty. I only ever beat the first level of the Ukrainian one and I probably did that on easy.

>>379042903
Kek
It's funny you looked for a game in which's campaign units have much personality.

>>379028109
>"RTS" tier
>Anything GS
Well no shit fucking retard, it's a separate genre.
God I fucking hate /v/.

>>379044448
>My dad beat all the campaigns in the first cossacks at max difficulty

That's impressive

>>379035680
>>379042975
>>379043810

>>379045014
nice

>>379044441
Thanks famalam.

>>379044752
He doesnt even play RTS all that much. I got him to try a bunch of other RTS games when I was a kid but the only other one he kept playing on his own is Tiberian Sun.

>>379035705
>>379042948
More a fan of WBC2.
The campaign and new races of 3 didn't really stick to me

>>379027938
where do I download BFME 2? It wasn't even on the EA store anymore?

>>379028109
holy shit a tier list I actually 100% agree with.

Thank you for putting AOM on top. I remember it was shit on for years because of the hipster faggots that loved brood war so much.

>>379045420
>I remember it was shit on for years because of the hipster faggots that loved brood war so much.

???
I know Age of Empires 2 people trashed it to hell and back because it wasn't their precious isometric piece of shit with +5 farming bonus constituting a new faction.

No one outside of Korea played Starcraft in 2002, Warcraft 3 already made sure of that.
Heck, most people stopped playing Brood War early. Yeah, we knew it was big in Korea and some watched the scene because they could get to it somehow (remember, this is early 2000s internet, you're not just going to type in Youtube/witch and get a billion videos in Korean, that's not how it worked), but aside form the map makers, people simply recognized as that great game that they played a bunch in 1998 and promptly dropped for other games.

>>379032803
They're not really that amazing. Lots of little issues with it, namely the increase in rock paper scissors style combat and weak as hell economy game compared to past titles.
The engine not being able to handle Tiberium and the increase in realism came at the expense of good map design. Especially in regards to multiplayer.

Watching high level Tib Sun versus high level Tib Wars is non comparable. Tib Sun you can end a game in 5-7 minutes in 90% of cases, the other 10% dragging on a long time until one side gets a better grip on the field and has their economy surge ahead.
Tib War is just this long drawn out back and forth that goes on forever because the defensive options make early game aggression impossible in so far as ending a game.
Rushing went from the way to win to the way to harass for later.
Infantry has always been a bunch of glass cannon fodder, but the anti infantry options in Wars take it way too far. Infantry melts instantly under anti infantry turrets and anti infantry counters, who instantly switch to target them.

Infantry is also super expensive relative to past iterations. And again, it's really the 3d pathing that hurts it the most. The way units sorta clump but ultimately spread out and get stuck on terrain is really bad.

C&C did not handle the jump to true 3d environments well. The grid based movement was if nothing else, smooth and reliable.

>>379027938
>Reminder Battle for Middle Earth 2 is free to download and play due to EA's license expring

but is it legal?

>>379040675
Shocks and cons are underrated. I always use cons to great effect

>>379036595
I've played all DoWs since 2005 (more than 3k hours in DoW2) and I like DoW3 just the way it is.

>>379046227
Yeah, they dont have the licence for it anymore.

>>379034808
Just pirate it.

>>379046078
>compared to past titles.

Hold the fucking phone.
Are you truly suggesting Tib Wars/RA3 is in any way, shape or form inferior to Tib Sun/RA2 as far as Multiplayer is concerned?

Because they're hardly the best games ever to be made but God damn, they're ligt years ahead of those two which were utter shite in multiplayer.
Basically, any C&C made before Generals is really unplayable in multiplayer.
Just look at how people play them. They play OpenRA which completely changed the games to be more like... you guessed it... C&C3 and RA3.

RA1 and RA2 are nothing but a rush to produce more tanks than your opponent. Tib Sun, likewise, was nothing but an artillery/Banshee fest.

All of these games have a single build order per faction (or really, just one viable faction altogether) all of which do the same thing and winner is usually decided by how fast s/he is at executing it.

>>379045302
>but the only other one he kept playing on his own is Tiberian Sun.
patrician taste

>>379046682
>artillery/banshee fest
Isn't Nod considered unplayable in Firestorm because the only viable strategy is the cyborg commando rush since GDI Titans straight beat anything else Nod has and Banshees are too expensive to actually build because if you buy banshees GDI just throws Titans at you and you die?

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>>379027938
Put Dawn of War 3 in the "Shit Tier".

It's an average RTS and horrible Relic game.

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>>379047131

Meant for
>>379028109

>>379028109
Why is Knights and Merchants in god tier? Is there an unofficial patch that fixes the pathfinding?

Only the city building part is good.

>>379027938
>Reminder Battle for Middle Earth 2 is free to download and play due to EA's license expring
sauce, I need that game

>>379046275
it's pretty rough getting outplayed by grens and volksgrens at all ranges regardless of what you do, and that's before they get their gg ez nobrainer a-move upgrades

>>379029647

It wasn't THAT bad. Mid-tier seems about right.

>>379047748
I havent really played coh 2 in at least 6 months, can you actually play ostfront now without feeling like you are gimping yourself?

>>379028109
>Homeworld not in God tier

WOW fucking kill yourself

>>379048026
ostheer is mostly alright I think, soviets mostly rely on the new penal meme and lend lease commander, which makes them strong but gimmicky. the problem is mostly the wfa armies just having really strong infantry and loads of bullshit like 2-3x repair speed on their engineers, and just 90% of everything about okw. the community balance people know how to fix all this. it's just a matter of relic implementing the changes that their own players do for them for free - they already did the winter balance patch which was all changes from the community, but relic limited the scope a lot down to a few specific things. maybe they'll announce more changes after the gcs tournament finishes

>>379037361
stronghold

also supreme commander - you can turtle up against AI in the campaign or skirmishes and it's actually fun for a few games. just dont expect to beat human opponents who know what they're doing with a turtle gameplan.

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back at it again with this gem

Just saw Northgard on Steam, is it any good?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/466560

>>379048603
Good to hear. Kinda want to get back into 1v1's, but havent had the time. I find it pretty funny though how Relic needed community to balance two of its recent best selling games with COH2 and elite mod for DOW2:R.

>>379047748
I got platinum mad at an Ostheer player who won by blobbing base grens even tho I had a .50 cal and better map control. I think the axis genuinely need a small nerf, their damage output is so high.

>>379048026
Ostheer are fucking stronk right now. I always win when I play them and have a much harder time playing against them as the allies.

>>379043245
I didnt came for the but because of ur feels

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>>379048986
I'm also considering it!

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>>379027938
Been playin' some DoW3 lately. I like the game, but it really needs more content - other game modes first and foremost - and the patch we got went way too overboard on too many things to really salvage anything, ie not what we needed at all.

For example, striking scorps:
>SS's true damage was too effect against the core and turrets (this was true), so we're removing true damage from them. Also, we're reducing their damage significantly. Also, we're cutting their HP down significantly. Also, we're removing their damage bonuses from their abilities.
To fix them, they either needed to remove true damage or reduce their damage - not both, and not reduce HP, and certainly not touch their abilities. This same kind of mind-boggling "rebalance" is everywhere in the recent patch.

Anyone played Dark Reign here?

>>379049104
players being better at game balance than devs happens in nearly every multiplayer game desu. I think a lot of companies are bad at having balance guys on hand after the game's release who know what they're talking about and change things continuously. I imagine the business people who run things think it's not a good investment

>>379049313
long range infantry damage with lmgs definitely does imo. especially since it's compatible with a-move, while short range stuff like ppshs are very bad if you aren't micromanaging a lot and flanking. there should be situations where your lmgs or stgs are a liability or downgrade, at the moment that's just never the case ever

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>>379049530
I think I'm just gonna take the plunge. I know it's (((early access))) but it looks like a nice mix of Civilization and Empire Earth and I like viking shit.

>>379035662
scrub detected, if you by 10 minutes you dont have already t3 you are doing it wrong. git good

>>379043119
Needs to be in high. Titans were the only bad thing in the xpack

>>379050278
At least you can turn Titans off in the Steam version.

Atlanteans are still too strong though.

>>379050202
looks cozy, hope it has a proper singleplayer to prevent it being dead on arrival and unplayable

>>379050202
I guess I'll give it a go as well, then.
>>379050417
It only recently added multiplayer, I think. But I'm fairly sure that it's just the usual skirmish format aka no campaign etc.

>>379050417
Steam reviews talk about 3-4 hour long single player games.

>>379028109

>>379048575 this and also world in conflict in god tier? what about ground control? wargame?

fucking /v/, man

>>379049727
Scorpions were too strong not only versus buildings, but in general. Nothing wrong with that fix.

>>379050896
And that was directly laid at the feet of true damage combined with high damage - true damage, by nature, fucked up everything. Nerfing either would have fixed them. Nerfing both and their abilities and hp all together was going well overboard.

It's the same story for a lot of their units. Bonesinger teleport was way fucking frustrating and needed the nerf. Webway doctrines were way too strong and needed the nerf. Dire Avengers were way strong and needed the nerf. Banshees weren't that strong but still got the nerf. Rangers were also kinda strong when used certain ways but hey, another wide nerf, this time on slowing eldar's ability to tech up.

A lot of it was 'necessary,' yet almost ever change is disproportionately piled up towards wiping out early game eldar, now crippling the faction, with nothing in mid to late game to rebalance them. Separately, it all needed some sort of fix, but collectively it all disproportionately unbalanced eldar without any reasonable way of recovering their early game. Even Macha, their other early game elite, was hit by something.

I've suddenly got an urge to play AoM again. Is EE truly borked or is it fine just to play through the campaign? It's really annoying that there's nowhere to buy the original game and AoE2HD has gotten much better support from what I hear

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>>379050202

I'm looking at it also, but the last fucking disapointment that was pic related made me approaching viking theme with caution

Anyone tried planetary annihilation legion mod?

>>379051270
>true damage, by nature, fucked up everything
True damage kills infantry same way as normal. If you just just remove 'true' part, they still would wreck all t1 units as fast as they did.
Banshees could just cast their spell out of invisibility and kill everything.

>>379028109
Army Men RTS
>Shit tier
Go fuck yourself.

>>379028109
I'd bump Stronghold Crusader to God Tier.
I think World in Conflict should always belong to one tier lower than Wargame.
I absolutely agree with bumping Total Annihilation up from Mid Tier, especially considering the amount of mods it has available.

Dawn of War 3 belongs into the mid tier

>>379028109
>no Dune 2
what fucking pleb did this list

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>no zero k

>>379028109
>DoW1 above DoW2
I've always known /v/ is full of shit-eaters, nothing new here.

>>379052817
Those games both belong in shit tier

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>>379029829

>>379052817
>three heretics run past four squads of tactical marines
>they just keep running instead of dying

>>379052784
great game, shame it tends to run shit on my laptop

Supcom FA is the best RTS that ever was or ever will be.

>>379050202
My wife's son bought it, played it for 3 days and then stopped. When I asked him about it, he said it lacked content.

>>379053342
no. it's shit

very boring

>>379037361
Probably something that doesn't revolve around map control and resources.. but there's really no real-time strategy without resources. Even TA on metal maps.. or SupCom on a custom mass-tiled map, you would eventually get surrounded and out-resourced.

>>379053875
Not an argument.

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>tfw no kv-2 buff

just got CoH2, what am I in to?
I kinda enjoyed CoH1 against bots and with friends

>>379058198
what's the question

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>>379053624
Yeah, played a single game after buyin' it, clocked at 109 minutes.

It was fun, but I feel like I did most of the things possible at that time already, thank god for refunds.

Will probably be great when they add more shit.

>>379028109
Sopcom not god tier????? This list is fake news

>>379058290
>Also bought it
>Also played 109 minutes

Dude.

I'll probably keep it though, I feel like the basis is solid (a simpler Civilization with real-time action instead of turns) and looking at the community page the developers actually communicate with their buyers a lot.
Went for a lore victory so I guess I didn't really experience the combat much apart from defending when the wolf clan faggot got pissy about me being at 90% lore victory.
What it really needs is a diplomacy system, as it is now, the enemy clans would attack me now and then, I'd defend, and their relationship to me wouldn't change. They'd be listed as friendly and then just keep attacking now and then. But the moment I would attack them to take back a bit of land, they'd get maximum mad 5-ever.

>>379031661
Fuck you
>>379032572

>real-time action instead of turns

fuck, you reminded me that I really prefer turn based, so now I'm much less interested

>>379060174
kindly get out of this thread then

>>379060314
turn based is so dead it doesn't even get "why is this genre so dead?" threads :(

except weeb trash which doesn't count

Playing Command and Conquer for the first time, I decided to do the Nod campaign first and I'm on the mission where Seth starts being a dick and sends me on a commando raid with only some infantry and a couple of vehicles. I keep getting a good half of my units destroyed near the start. Any tips for this?

>>379028109
>age of mythology in god tier
Good shit

Picked up Sins of a Solar Empire last week.
It's really fun but I need to rethink the way I'm playing. The AI always spams bounty on me and pirates come fuck my shit up.

>>379042903
>blizzdrone detected

>compalining about a game not having voice lines on the chars

what is:
Battlerealms
warlords battlecry
armies of exigo
homeworld
Empire at war forces of corruption
original war (oh look it also has personality you dumb fuck)
All C&C
All age of empires games
Paraworld
Emperor battle for dune

The only three games i played that didn't have voice lines are Sup Com, Heroes of anihilated empires and Ai war fleet command, the later two have so much charm and heart that leave Sup Com in the dust.

>>379058198
Isn't it so unsatisfying to play versus bots that have to cheat to compete?

How do I get Battle for Middle Earth 2 for free?

>>379028109
Dawn of War Soulstorm is complete shit. Replace it with Supcom FA and move Dark Crusade/Winter Assault up to high tier.

>>379060941
>Supcom FA and move Dark Crusade/Winter Assault

Those are all terrible

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>>379061003
Wrong

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haven't played an RTS since C&Q in the 90s
which of these do I install?

>>379061114
New Steam Version has all the DLCs I think.

>>379032460
Dark Crusade is still king. 2 and 3 sucked.

>>379032460
>major patch addresses most balance issues for DOW3

Ok now were getting som-

>orks now have a crippling bug where they cant generate scrap

What the fuck man

>>379061187
did u rike it???

>>379061114
thanks.

>>379061114
I think new steam version has working multiplayer, other one doesn't anymore

>>379044448
>My dad beat all the campaigns in the first cossacks at max difficulty.
The fuck, so did mine

>>379061227
I'm retarded
>>379061146
>>379061261

>>379060456
youtube, google
also you must really really suck if you have problems with original CC

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>>379061114
>TFW lost all my ranks from relic servers

JUST

>>379060456
Look for easy kills, sometimes there'll be barrels and shit to blow up, damaging nearby enemies.

Also micro your units, if they get low move them away so the AI switches targets.

Re downloading BFME2 now, I lost all my CDs years ago but shit was this game comfy.
What are some other good RTS's where I can do some comfy base building and just turtle my way to victory.

>>379028109
Get Wings of Liberty on high tier and move Heart of the Swarm to low.

Don't know where to put Legacy of the Void. That'll probably belong in Mid

>>379061702
I liked BFME 1 fort like bases

It made sense only for Gondor,Isengard n elves tho

Have anyone tried the Eastern Front mod for CoH1? The two factions actually feels very well crafted.

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Starting a Defcon game with a few others.

Serber is Hate Vidya
Password rage

v-coms are available upon request in-game.

>>379062221
these gives me ptsd

>browsing jewtube
>Planetary Annihilation people are making new RTS
>it's robots vs ancient evil
I don't know what to feel.

How was Planetary Annihilation anyway? Never even bothered to pirate it.

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>>379062657
It's not that great, Supcom and even TA have a lot more going for them, every single fight in the Galactic War (campaign) mode can be won the exact same way.
And the biggest slap in the face personally is that they up and released the exact same game with a few more units as a standalone and made people who already owned the game pay again.

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What's wrong with Total War games?

>>379063409
Medieval 2 is a broken piece of garbage that no amount of mods can fix, it's unbelievable how overrated that game has become just by virtue of a bunch of retards playing it when they were kids

>>379062657
>making new RTS
Already cancelled.

>How was Planetary Annihilation anyway?
I liked it. It gets boring quickly because there wasn't too much content and map variety. Now that it has titans expansion and mod support with lots of stuff, it is really underrated, all because devs acted like massive jews. But it's the only planetary scale rts after all. Having to manage all your stuff on multiple spherical planets with space, air and ground layers is a fun challenge.

Funpill me on Ashes of the singularity.

>>379028109
why in the fuck would starcraft be going down? or scene is dead?

>>379063409
really samey. they should've stopped after rome. and the AI was already really retarded

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Anyone is looking forward to this?

>>379065306
I liked Spellforce, I don't think I will buy this on launch but I will definitely play it at some point

Nonetheless this will be a game I will watch very closely, if Nordic manages to not fuck this one up I have great faith in Guild 3 and that's a game I really care about

Do you know who the people that work on Spellforce 3 are? It seems to be a new studio
Guild 3 is developed by the characters behind SuperPower 2

>>379028109
wtf kind of list is this anyways when supcom fa isn't god tier until now?
You disqualify yourself, bud

Just ignore this "ranking" and post the good pic that shows all good rts and groups them like "i want more action/more of the same/more medieval"

>>379028109
>Populous only mid tier
This list is bad and you should feel bad

can someone give me tips on supcom?

I have no idea of what timing to tech and I constantly get into mass deficits even as I try reclaiming stuff around me.

>>379067307
Blame allies for no sharing/reclaiming :^)

There are tutorials on FAF

>>379064208
benchmarking software

>>379067475
guess I should have looked at those first thanks

coh 2 gcs tournament is on right now if anyone gives a shit

>>379029560
nice try you fucker

>>379067307
>Winter Duel 1v1
>playing until you find the t1 arty spam strategy
>practicing it on every small map
>realizing most teammates are awful
>starting up a 4v4 anyway because arty spam is reaching a limit
>always pushing after the t1 arty spam takes out an ACU (as you should be playing with 1k+ at this point, and they should be pushing as well)

Hows that gettysburg game?

>>379067854
>until finding the t1 arty spam strategy
It's Landfac, 3 energy, 2-4 mass with ACU depending on map, 3 energy or a hydrocarbon plant, 3 Landfacs, ACU rush with arty

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>>379067854
>Seton's clutch
>Get rear position
>Never played mass air
>Throw a game n hide under a blanket

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y'all niggas too young to remember this gem

>>379068429
I haven't found a good Seton's game in a bit..

I was asked to solo- ACU rush mid. That's ludicrous -- all or nothing.

>>379028109
I'd like to submit Planetary Annihilation for mid-afternoon tier

>>379068440
TA was already out. I was probably playing that.

>>379068802
*Mid-high God damn autocorrect

>>379028109
Does a co-op story mode list exist somewhere?

Two questions:
-Is it possible/"easy" to play Sins of a Solar Empire pirated edition over LAN? I own a copy and I want to play some with my cousin, but I ain't buying another copy on steam for fucking 40 american dollars
-If that isn't possible, how is Offworld Trading Company with two people? Can we do FFA with just us an computers?

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>>379028109
If were doing DS games why not add the best?

>>379068440
REAPER ONLINE!

Reminder that rating system in SupCom/FAF is cancerous n promotes elitism


Prove me wrong

>>379069403
>Is it possible/"easy" to play Sins of a Solar Empire pirated edition over LAN? I own a copy and I want to play some with my cousin, but I ain't buying another copy on steam for fucking 40 american dollars

If the game has the LAN option, playing with pirated copies is a breeze.
it's why so many modern games remove the feature. They fuck up legit customers over the fear of pirates.

>>379028109
God tier changes:
BW stays in god tier
K&M goes into mid
AoM goes into high

High Tier changes:
RoN stays in high tier
IC goes into mid, maybe even low
Warzone into mid
Forces of Corruption into mid
Cossacks stays in high
BR into mid

Mid tier changes:
WiC into high
CoH2 into high, maybe
PA into high
EndWar into low
ParaWorld into low
Stronghold stays in mid
Blitzkrieg into high
Add Sudden Strike 1/2

Low tier changes:
SupCom 2 stays in low
SC64 into shit
Red Alert stays in low
KW into high
Add Sudden Strike 3

Ranks:
Steel Division - mid for now
Meridian - low
DoW3 - mid
Cossacks - mid
LotV - high, maybe mid, depends on who you ask.

>>379069770
>PA into high
I mean TA
Also add Planetary Annihilation in mid, the game is decent with the expansion pack and legions mod