OldSchool DOOM Thread.

Self Bump.

Some of the most boring shit I have ever played.

>>379026353
Anyone else can't go back to non brutal doom?

>>379026481
I haven't tried it yet. ZDoom is currently being a cunt and crashing.

Brutal doom improves on the game in every way. The only people who say it doesn't are nostalgia-blind purists who hate fun.

I remember playing a doom wad it had barney, power rangers, pacman, and the chainsaw was replaced by an electric toothbrush. Do someone know the name?

Reb's (Eric Harris's) DOOM WADS:
http://acolumbinesite.com/eric/doom.php
Your welcome :)

@379026446
@379026603
you

>>379026550
It's a lot of fun.

Same with BD64 especially, DOOM 64 was a really good game hindered by a controller, and they put a lot of work into bringing it to pc, play it.

Is there still a way to play classic doom online?

One of these days I'll finish Hell Revealed..

>>379026837
Zandronum SourcePort.
Your welcome, fella.

>>379026837
Zandronum

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Well gee fellas I think that newer Doom game was just super, how about yourselves?

>>379026961
It was bretty okay.

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MOON.wad
and
POL.wad

https://youtu.be/v26S8NABjpE

>>379026961
I prefer OldSchool "I'm going to fucking slaughter your whole alien family with a chainsaw" DOOM. I only have Ultimate DOOM on Steam and it is fucking great by itself.

>>379026737

That's not how you quote you dumb autistic cunt.

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How do I get the chainsaw?

>>379026737
Jesus christ new people still come to this website?

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https://youtu.be/-XhsuJLA3ko

polwad

>>379026961
Doom 4 was great, though not a strictly Doom game. Lots of Quake and Serious Sam influence as well.

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>>379026737
Newfag GTFO.

>>379027271
THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST

#379027130
#379027229
#379027336
Wow look at these clownboats, they don't know how to special quote! Laugh at them for being the true newchildren.

##379027449
I know they are newbies

>>379027449
Your a faggot, sir.
Your more of a fag than OP.
I've never seen this in my life!
>>379027513
Same goes for you shitboat.

Re: 379027594

Eat shit, shit eater.

%%379027594
Why are you so upset?

>>379027657
NiGgErS
>>379027636
nIgGeRs

So anyways with that shit out of the way, anyone play Metadoom? or D4T?

>>379027271
moonman.wad

OP here. Abandoning thread. Thanks for chatting about DOOM!
Now time to use the Shotgun and kick some alien ass.

Smooth Doom(and formerly Doom Enhanced) are the best Doom improvement mods.

Brutal Doom is overrated shit made by a racist fuck that jacks it to mutilation. It's buggy as shit, the mod author is a plagiarist and only stupid faggots pretend it's the best thing ever. Sad that this shitty mod got smeared all over Doom 4, but Doom 4 isn't even a real Doom game. It's a wannabe Metroid Prime knockoff with needless RPG elements and Brutal Doom shit. Even if you took out the BS stuff, it'd still be awful.

My mod doesn't work with BD? That's on purpose, go fuck yourself.

>>379026353
Ancient Aliens wad

Play this woth GZDoom and D4T 2.0 mod.... it is glorious, easier and harder at the same time!!! But is still manages to be doom!!

Fucking play it now.

>>379026353
/vr/ literally has a general filled with links for all the shit you want

>>379026961
It could have been good, but too many shitty design choices made it just okay.

>>379026961
complete garbage

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>tfw Going Down wad.

Why cant AAA fps campaigns be this creative?

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>>379026353
Not directly related to mods or anything, but I always like telling this story.

When I was in Boy Scouts as a kid (circa 2001), we would often go to Scout Conventions where dozens of troops would gather and camp for a week or so. At one particular convention, some random old guy set up a bunch of PCs in a gazebo about a mile from camp (I guess he had a generator or something), and had them all connected via LAN. Myself and a bunch of other scouts made our way down, and we spent a few hours playing DOOM II multiplayer in a gazebo in the middle of the woods. I'll never forget that kind old man who just wanted to see some young lads splatter each other.

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>play equinox
>entire level of just archviles
>with not much ammo

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playing doom with other wads

>>379033679
The fuck is that supposed to be? A spinning dildo?

>>379027226
Hug the walls and button mash

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>>379033838
it's a ak lookalike except the clip or magazine or whatever is on the side instead of the bottom

Been playing a lot of Doom on my phone. A moto g 4. Struggles a bit to run Brutal Doom but it's definitely playable. A bit of a slowdown when a lot of gibs and blood is on the screen, and sadly I can't find a way to completely turn it off, just turn it down but the slowdown still happens.
Death Foretold (D4T) is kinda like the new Doom. Has execution, the weapons from the new one and multiple mods for each gun to add more functionality or make them better. Also has a proper phone mode that tones down the enemy AI a bit and makes them slower with their aim. Helps a lot when you're getting used to phone controls.
Highly recommend both for an on-the-go Doom fix.

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>>379034136
>Struggles a bit to run Brutal Doom but it's definitely playable
Your first mistake was the decision to play literally anything on a phone.

>>379026550
Just get GZDoom already

>>379026353
>>>/vr/

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>>379034483

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>>379027849
Metadoom is fucking awesome. I'm playing russian overkill, doomrl arsenal, too many super shotguns, guncaster, arachnocide, bulleteye, reelism, prodoomer, and strange aeons. I'm playing on uac ultra and oblige maps.

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but is it really fun to stay at the YMCA

I fucking love Demonsteele
Standalone when? I'll keep asking until it's a thing

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>>379027849
I played Metadoom recently with Scythe 2 and it was awesome until it became nothing but slaughtermaps, which Metadoom doesn't work well with.
Metadoom 4.0 recently came out however and I've been doing a run with Valiant Vaccinated, and it's tons of fun.

>>379032815
There are tons of fucking 10/10 mapsets for Doom. It's crazy how many legitimately amazing campaigns there are for the game.
Scythe 2, Unloved, Winter's Fury, Ancient Aliens, Valiant, Kama Sutra. The game is just a fucking treasure trove of amazing level design.

I think it has to do with how accessible modding the game is. A lot of new developers come into it to cut their teeth before moving on to more complex engines.

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>>379035331

>>379032815
I didn't like how GD turned into "Ah well, fuck it, let's just put thousands of monsters in small space" towards the end. It was alright and creative before that moment hits.

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>>379035331
>his hair

>>379036502
Same, but for Doom 2.

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>>379026481
Man I can't even go back to Brutal Doom after playing the Project Brutality 3.0 beta. Shit's absolutely bonkers.

Finally got Samsara Ex Heroes working. I'm loving going through wads with every classic fps hero a lot. It's just the right amount of crazy having nearly every mob from those games represented too, but not too fucking batshit mental like Reelism.

>>379036502
I played GD with trailblazer, had the time of my life and was still challenging.

>>379037495
I've always wanted to play doom with an obnoxiously large HUD from another game

>>379036502
it was the only way to make doom difficult with modern controls before gameplay mods like brutal doom came along
i was pissed too

>>379026353

what are some good doom 2 wads with great level design? classic enemies and weapons only, no conversions

>>379035331

how can i play metadoom

>>379026353
There is a doom general on /vr/ go there /v/ is full of nu-doom fans

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>>379038094
The hud is fucking horrendous yes I just like to have it on sometimes cause they made individual ones for the 30 something playable characters.

>>379038224
going down
jenesis
fuel devourer (has ONE additional enemy but probably the best base map I've played)

an idea that crossed my mind that would be sweet but way too complicated, especially for me that never did any doom modding at all:

would be to make a diablo 2 total conversion, basically taking all the textures, sprites and sounds, putting them into doom (not putting level and item randomization)

it wouldn't even work well because D2 as no skies and ceilings, so unless you copy paste the floor as the ceiling or put a sky from doom, you would have to actually create some art and there's no way I could pull that off ever

>>379030093
>Brutal Doom is overrated shit made by a racist fuck that jacks it to mutilation.
>being racist makes a game bad
back to tumblr, niggerlover.

>>379038224
As for
>>379038440
But also including scythe, scythe 2, for pure gameplay, 10 sectors and 1024 for interesting use of map limitations if you're into that

>>379039315
the game isn't even racist, it's the developer
actually the developer isn't even racist he just said the word 'nigger'

Can someone please recommend a module with good dungeon crawls and some role playing sprinkled in for 2nd edition.

>>379037495
ay, i forgot about this. What do you mean you got it working? You gotta patch it or something?

>>379034242
Doom is a videogame that was designed to be played with keyboard only. It's perfectly playable on phones, and plays great at that. Better than a lot of the "native" shooters I've played on Android

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>>379026961
pretty good.
It would have been amazing if there were more less linear levels and no pseudo RPG character upgrade interface bullshit.
Just give me gun mods and powerups scattered through out levels, thanks. also an expansion pack, not multiplayer dlc, those maps look amazing

>>379030093
Project Brutality ∞> Brutal DOOM

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How did you know to pick up the armor?

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Hmm that's one doomed space marine

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>>379027302
Which is inevitable, I dont think thats a bad thing. True classic levels simply dont exist anymore and they have actual detailed 3d models to render who chase the player, the maze like levels also dont work because each enemy is much more difficult and smart. So given all of that, yea its not a proper Doom but it is a good modern Doom and the best we could of hoped for with that in mind.

>>379040806
For some god awful reason the current devs only post on facebook. Gotta google it, 4chan won't allow facebook links.

down their page they have a few links, they point out the order/pk3s you need to run it and you need to dl the files from a site they supply there. What fucked me up is I never used Zandronum before and it doesn't work on anything but that but I figured it out.

>>379030093
>Brutal Doom is overrated shit made by a racist fuck that jacks it to mutilation
You know the guy's russian right? They're all vodka zombies over there that shit is normal to them.

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Why is he so perfect bros?

>>379043210
> le ebin facebook man
> perfect
He's a faggot

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>>379043290

>>379042698
>russian
He's Brazilian dude.

>>379026603
Fuck Brutal Doom, D4D and D4T beat it in every way.

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I made a level a while ago on doombuilder. Is anyone willing to play it and give me some constructive criticism? It runs on DOOM 2 and is meant to be played on UV.
https://mega.nz/#!59BVzA4a!OwdhO9bJWfCvAjP0TBy2f2-r-P2BMWUJQZ-wlGRrXDU

It makes me happy knowing that a game that came out in 1993 still has an active modding community in 2017

>>379043612
Oh shit, I'm retarded. Still BR's don't have the best reputations but point taken, he's shitty. Still, he's been making good stuff lately on his channel.

>>379043690
D4D is cool but D4T is too much mixing of aesthetics for my taste. Project Brutality is something I can't think about replacing due to the sheer number of enemy variations. It's fucking ludicrous how many there are. I shit when i saw imps cling to the ceiling and hell knights charge at me like in D4.

>>379026481
the polar opposite for me.
BD is repetitive trash.

>>379044176
Wolfenstein 3D from 1992 still has an active modding community.

>>379037495
>Man I can't even go back to Brutal Doom after playing the Project Brutality 3.0 beta. Shit's absolutely bonkers.

Was wondering about trying that. What's different about it?

>>379044652
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bgiksWLAV8
There's just too much stuff to go over, this vid shows off some stuff. Definitely try it out. The moment I started melee combing shotgun guys, tearing their heads off and killing others with it I knew this shit was good.

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>>379036502

> high enemy counts invalidates creativity elsewhere
Just admit you made a mistake by playing on UV

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>>379042320

never noticed the red cutout geo is meant to be shaped like the DooM logo

>>379044930
I did finish said mod.
High enemy counts doesn't invalidate creativity, it just means that gameplay wise your mod is ASS

>>379043779

I'll give it a run anon

>>379045196

No it doesn't, you just don't admire the strategy that goes into a well crafted slaughter fight; because Gd's crowd fights were just that.

Where the fuck can I download the good wads from vinesauce/joel's doom mod competition? There was a really good one on there with some crazy level design I want to check out. I tried Joel's threads on the forum but didn't see shit.

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>>379027302
>Serious Sam influence
Please tell me you're not serious.
Having a limit of 12 monsters to kill at a time made that game a fucking borefest. Weapons and music and even the look of the game was nice but fuck did they shit the bed with the engine.
Not one monster closet.
No fight with more than 20 monsters at a time.
Boss fights were basic jump and shoot fests with glowy signals.
NO
FUCKING
MONSTER CLOSETS.

>Play Trailblazer on "Edgelord" difficulty
>Only challenge is all ammo/health/scrap items only give you half of the normal amount

>>379045332
Doesn't Joel put download link in the description of the last competition video?

>>379045542
i'll check it, thanks

>>379045485
This.
Fucking hell, SS3 was way more of a "Doom game" than D4 ever will be. Not surprising, as the project started as Croteam's pitch for THE Doom 4, but Beth-fucks cucked the project off their hands

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>>379045723
>We will never get a Croteam/Id co-developed proper Doom 4.
Please stop no it hurts too much.

>>379043779

Okay i'm about 70/300 kills in and i've ran out of ammo. I went via the maze and out through the waterfall to complete my first loop and end up back at the entryway with blue skull key. Will start again and see if I can save ammo. Appreciate the music though.

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>>379045821
it would be very interesting to see someone make a Doom1/2 recreation mod for SS3, just to see how close the overall designs click.

>>379045723
>Fucking hell, SS3 was way more of a "Doom game" than D4 ever will be
Woah easy now. Let's not go too far with that, the weapon reloads and the first like third of the game being all in boring ass villages was pretty bad, plus the new enemies were really fucking annoying, the hitscanners and that bitch that locks your controls up are just unfun and work against the sam formula.

I think it would have been interesting to see a Doom game made by croteam though.

>>379041958
kek

>>379046061
I remember there being a Doom mod for SS3, but it was pretty early in development when I tried it.

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>>379045871
>>379043779

Okay ran out at 200/300 this time after getting the red key. You've got a real ammo starvation problem, which is a difficult thing to balance if you're doing it deliberately.
I call it a problem because you like cramped maze fights, meaning i'm forced to kill in simply to progress. You also like to include dead-ends with a sleeping monster, which is fine, but it's a big fat penalty because the only reward you've provided for bumping into that monster is a 1hp pot (a pickup usually used in that situation simply to hint that a secret wall is nearby).
The difficulty is fine but the ammo scarcity kills it. You allow the player to take the red key path first, before unlocking the SSG but it's basically suicide unless you're speedrunning.
My suggestions are centred around the placement of ammunition. if you're going to deprive the player of ammo, make it deliberate and of one type (eg: forced melee fights depletes shotgun, tanky swarms in mid range for rockets, bullets for chaingunners etc.) so you can make a setpiece fight more interesting. Else provide an abundance of ammo, something you can control readily before the player encounters a backpack. The difficulty should come more from surviving fights rather than penny-pinching every single piece of ammo. I really enjoyed the cliffs, if you plan on continuing work with this map, as you should, i'd strongly consider borrowing some non-standard textures and thinking about lighting.
Pic related, out of ammo.

How do I emulate this?

>>379046348
>Woah easy now. Let's not go too far with that, t
No, I'm serious.
The weapon reloads are only on handful of the LOW tier guns, and add more depth to the combat.

>boring villages
you're the first one to comment on that, but I don't agree. And again, the topic was on the overall gameplay, namely weapon and enemy sets, and how they all fall on the Doom's possibility space.

>he new enemies were really fucking annoying, the hitscanners
you mean the zombie guys? Similar weakass fodder whose only purpose is to fill your ammo, like in original Doom games. They're also only barely "hitscan", as just like in ye olde Doom-clones, they lock down on your old location when aiming at you, thus making it easy to dodge their shots.

If you're referring to the Scorpions, those were already in TFE & TSE. They're such huge targets that you can easily rocket, or just pistol blast them off. They also signal their attacks very clearly.

>and that bitch that locks your controls up are just unfun and work against the sam formula.
This one's been brought up many times in the past, and I'd say that those sorcerers fall into a sub-boss category. They require a bit more tactical thinking than just S+M1, which I always appreciate.

But once again, SS3 is one helluva Doom-clone of modern times, this time even borrowing its visual designs more closely. If the maps were a bit more complex, it'd be easily the real Doom4 of our time.

>>379047302

download gzdoom, get a non-shareware copy of doom.wad and doom2.wad

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>>379027118
>OldSchool
>Ultimate DOOM on steam
Please legitimately fuck off.

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>>379047397
I still disagree, the hitscanner zombies can deal a lot of damage very quickly on harder difficulties and don't have the long pause before firing like original Doom zombies did, seeing as they have machineguns and not single shot rifles, and what're you talking about locking down on your old location? Hitscanners can and will shoot you sometimes while strafing. Especially the goddamn fucking chaingunners, and I also disagree with the reloads adding depth, it just doesn't work in a game like Serious Sam.

And there's very little tactical thinking that can be done when you're out in the open backpedaling from other monsters and that bitch locks your controls up, the moment she starts effecting you, you're fucked, you slow down to a crawl and you can't even aim at her. It wouldn't be as bad if you could at least aim while being grabbed.

I also personally dislike how much focus they put on the more "conventional" weapons in SS3, oh sure you can still find the laser gun and cannon, but that shit isn't available til late game, or very well hidden, and ammo is especially rare until the final few stages. So must of the time you'll be ratta-tat-tatting with that boring ass assault rifle or that shotgun that has the slowest reload I've ever seen for a magazine based shotgun

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>>379047148
Thanks man. I know the ammo count is a problem and I'm going to try to fix it when I go back in and edit the map. In regards to the SSG, you can get it by backtracking your way out of the maze right before the drop off into the reservoir. I put it there to reward players perceptive enough to notice the locked blue skull key door in the previous room. Also, how where do I get some nonstandard textures and how do I implement them? And what does "thinking about lightning" mean?

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Doom 64 has terrible level design. It's just so boring.

>>379048602

I believe Doom mappers borrow from other map pack's textures all the time as long as theyre credited by name. I forget what tool people use for extracting assets from someone else's wad but you'll find it on doomworld forums. Good practise is that you include all custom textures in your wad so people don't need to load other wads in conjunction.
And all I meant was that I thought the lighting in your map was pretty uniform and plain.

>>379026446
Stay exactly where you are, I am calling the police on you for your criminally bad opinion.

>>379049923
This entire thread happened without anyone taking the bait, and then you showed up

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>>379047691
>he hitscanner zombies can deal a lot of damage very quickly on harder difficulties and don't have the long pause before firing like original Doom zombies did
They cause like 1 point of damage (AR guys) per shot, and have easily memorized attack patterns. Not to mention they tend to be literally unable to attack you if you sit further than a Knarr's eye throw distance.

>and what're you talking about locking down on your old location?
Webm related.

>Especially the goddamn fucking chaingunners,
you mean the Scorpions? AFAIK, they always stop before firing.

>I also disagree with the reloads adding depth, it just doesn't work in a game like Serious Sam.
And I agree to disagree. SS3 is a fine example how reloads AND sprinting add to the gameplay. Going back to TFE / TSE afterwards feels very underwhelming and plain out slow.

On top of making all of the weapons have their own specific purpose (the AR is actually its own thing, instead of just Minigun-Lite, like the Tommygun was), the fact that you have to deal with reloads on some of the weapons (= three of them) requires you to take said feature into account when rolling through your arsenal.

>And there's very little tactical thinking that can be done when you're out in the open backpedaling from other monsters and that bitch locks your controls up,
I've played the game like 4 times now, and I can only think of ONE scene where this could even be possible. In most encounters, you only face those Witches OR other enemies, and there's plenty of cover to use too. Distance also lessens their attack's effect.
And yes, you can aim. You just gotta work harder to get your sights on her.

>oh sure you can still find the laser gun and cannon, but that shit isn't available til late game, or very well hidden
That's the whole point, and just shows how easily modern games let off their players.
Just like in original Doom games, you can get more than half of your entire arsenal within the first couple maps.

>>379038276
Latest version of Gzdoom required
Comes in a 7z file format
Just check its thread on ZDoom forums
>>379035331
MetaDoom is the kind of mod that feels more like a fangame than a mod, if you know what i'm saying,

>>379027226
Shoot walls near two imps and barrels in the dark hallway.

>>379049421
Well, considering you said you heard the music, that means I added it correctly, so adding some textures shouldn't be an issue. So far in the past hour, I've reworked the maze, and added some more ammo drops throughout the whole map. Let me know what you think.
https://mega.nz/#!ws5TgJRD!tn___-j6qESv4yJyyuz6OvYptct0w0pLpArg8P-ffvU

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>>379054025

Rad, gonna check it oot