>holy attack >deals lightning damage

>>379012764
There is some precedent for that anon. Zeus and his Thunderbolts, you know?

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>>379013124
>Zeus

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>earth spell
>does holy damage

>>379013124

>Zeus
>Not Thor

>>379012764
Light and electricity are very similar, even in nature.

>>379013124
>>379013368
Jehovah has been traditionally associated with lightning on some level as well.

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>Holy Diver
>You've been down to long in the midnight sea

>>379013517

>Thor

Nigga that's the new kiddy shit, Zeus is the OG

>>379012764
being adopted is generally a good thing since they don't give kids out to unfit parents. If you're adopted you were probably raised by rich parents who were well adjusted

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>>379012764
But what if it is a
HOLY
LIGHTINING

No they're not. Please explain so I can try to get on the same page with you. I wanted to knee jerk and get all sciencey but I want to know how you think light and electricity are similar in nature.

>>379012764
>light and ligntning are just the same element
>Paladins smite and electrocute motherfuckers
>Priests heal and do normal holy shit but also go full Senate and shoot out lightning bolts
there was a shitty mmo that had this concept and it was pretty fun desu, shame it was so p2w

>>379014183
>have a friend who was adopted
>his parents were extremely demanding perfectionists
>at 20 years old, he tried to burn their house down so he get their life insurance money
>they move into their vacation home while the other place is being repaired from fire damage
>he tried to burn that one, too

He's in an institution now.

>>379014789
Maxwell's equations apply to both.

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>light, dark, chaos, wind, shadow, life and death are "elements"

getting tired of this bullshit

>>379015518
>Implying those are any less legitimate that shit like "Water" or "Fire".

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>>379012764
Nice, Chrono Trigger thread?

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>Bio is an element
>when Water exists

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>>379012764
>holy attack
>deals holy damage
>reks undead
>get nerfed absolutely into the fucking GROUND to the point of unusability just because it was a little OP at the start

Thanks FROM.

>>379014789
>electrons are particles
>photons are waves and particles
Bingo bango

>>379015761
Water and fire are part of the classical elements you donut

Adding other nonsense to that system is just a designer going HURR OUR WORLDS DIFFERENT BECAUSE SOUND IS AN ELEMENT

>>379016059
Except electrons also exhibit wave like properties and are described by similar equations.

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>>379012764
But what is "holy" damage? Does an angel descend from heaven to bitch-slap your enemies?

>>379016258
So they're the same then
Bingo bango

>>379013761
The Norse predate the Greeks by centuries anon

>>379016049
>dark magic
>fun in PvE
>broken in PvP
>hexes get nerfed into the ground on every front
>now they aren't worth using in PvE whatsoever, bare fist strength build is more efficient damage
Th-thanks From...

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>>379012764
>holy damage is derived from sunlight
>electric damage is treated as something entirely separate

>>379016553
Dark magic was the only thing that gave me the will to bother with the Ancient Dragon, the single worst-designed boss fight in video games. I know the back-toes secret now, but that's not a GOOD thing, that's even worse. Christ what a terrible fucking sham of a boss, and the whole run up to it.

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>>379013719

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>>379016305
In some games, yeah.

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>>379016305
Yep.

>>379016375

what a ridiculous statement
not even by a long shot

>>379016049
>>379016553
I don't care what anyone says, they suck at "balancing" magic while keeping it worthwhile.

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>>379015518
>nothingness is an element

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>>379018513

I love that shit

>>379018154
i'll balance your ass

>>379016152
There's more than one elemental system, nothing makes one more legitimate than the other.

>>379018513
>>379018661
Shouldn't the LACK of elements be nothingness? What if there was a game where progression was based on purifying objects to reduce their composite elements until they were a purified essence of a specific element. Then you apply the opposing pure elemental essence to cancel it out.

>lightning weak to ice
>ice weak to fire
>fire weak to lightning
Literally wat

>>379016152
Let's not forget that none of these systems are real, they're speculation by long dead scholars

More importantly, why can't anyone make a good Avatar action-RPG?

>>379018839

If black can be a color then nothingness can be an element
Generally there's an amalgam drawn between void/mass/gravity/black matter
So you usually end up with void element being associated with black holes, singularities and shit

>>379018847
Ice insulates electricity
Fire melts ice
Lightning smeckledorfs fire

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>>379019142
>If black can be a color then nothingness can be an element

black ain't a color m8

>>379019225
wow racist much?

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>>379019225

says you

>>379018665
If you can't make it worthwhile gtfo

>>379018661
That shit is always pretty retarded.

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>Dark attacks are true damage

>>379019429

Not necessarily
Nohts are agents of void because they are devourers of existence, for example, and are more of a force of nature acting with a singular purpose as an ennemy to all existence
Nothing is ever gained by being overly litteral on what is allowed to be called a certain way.

>>379015518
>two third of it are actually historical greek variants of the classical elements
That's sad when plebs are generalizing and dumbing down everything and then pretend being historically accurate.
In many versions; Night was indeed an element, light was also one distinct from both fire and air as the aether (the gods lived in the aether above the low sky and that was the thunderbolts of Zeus actually were)

>>379013583
ionized plasma is similar to photons?

>>379012764
Wait, isn't Chick dead? Who made that?

>>379019878

if the greeks can make shit up then we can make shit up
I don't see what makes their fake elements any more sensible than something out of a d&d manual

>>379019878
Also the obvious primordial Khaos.
Heck most creation myths are probably ok with the void being an element.

>>379020059
Of course, my point was just that even the "four classical elements" are not even something absolute for the greek and many fantasy variants are inspired by other greek systems.
That's why many alternative fantasy elements are light, darkness, chaos and the void.

>>379020373

misread then mb

>>379019972
His protégé.

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>Wind and Time are opposing elements
>literally wat

Find me one worse then this

>>379019972
His closeted gay black assistant?

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>us healing spell on undead enemy
>it hurts them

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Fire = red
Water = blue
Air = green
Holy = White
Dark = Black
Nothingness = Grey
Bio = Purple
Ice = Cyan
Earth = ???

>>379020735
Of course they're opposing elements. After all, you can't wind back time.

>>379021057
Brown/tan.

>>379012764
Lightning has been considered to be the wrath of the heavens in practically every culture on the planet for thousands of years.

>>379021057
Air = White, Holy = Gold, Earth = Green

>>379015518
The word element is just easy vidya shorthand for natural law.

>blood-drinking and loud noise attacks
>deals bug damage

>fire and water are enemies
>unless ice is also an element
>then fire and water kiss and make up and are only regularly effective against each other

this triggers me.

>>379021325

Any destructive natural phenomenom has been considered the wrath of heaven.
In japan earthquakes used to be, which is how you get stuff like >>379013395
Water is generally much more common as a "godly" element in the oldest cultures, lightning/light gods only came later.

>>379021652
Water is usually more like a life element

>>379021635
>ice is treated like water
>ice attacks are strong against fire

>Ice fucking sucks

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>>379016305
Hell yeah

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>water and ice are different elements
>wind, lightning, and earth attacks both just do "nature" damage

>>379016305
White lasers.

>>379016375
Why would you type that?

>>379021759

Yes, and gods are the providers and protectors of life and civilization for these cultures

Abzu, Tialoc and Osiris are some of the oldest allfathers we have access to and they were all water gods.

>>379012764
Does this comic end in incest

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>Vacuum exists as a "negative air" element

>>379021916

Water and ice really don't hurt in the same way

>>379021127
On a scale of 1 to complete almond activation, your post exceeded test standards

>Spell is a fairy throwing a huge pile of food into enemies
>does magic damage

>>379021127
kekked

>>379015518
>Still no Surprise Element

Fuckin' bullshit

>>379022281
name me -5 vidyas that do this.

>>379022436
What if the food's magic?

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>>379015518
>someone has to program 103 different elemental effects.
>half of them are completely useless.

>>379016152
Wind's also a classical element, you dope.
>inb4 b-but wind isn't air!

>>379022823
>that anime where people can control elements
>the poor faggots that got shit like Rutherfordium and un-whatever

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>the schools of magic are gravity, electromagnetism, weak force and strong force

>>379015518
I hate this so much, the elements should be something that you can tangibly touch/feel/understand not retarded stuff like "void" or "chaos" or "blood".

I can tolerate it if there are other more abstract damage types outside of the elemental ones, but it always bugs me when they are just so nebulous that it doesn't make sense what you are doing, like what exactly is "blood" damage? Is it blasting gallons of blood at your enemies, bleeding them dry or what?

>>379022740

if a magic rock hits you in the face, is the damage magic ?

>>379022249
No, they can't show that in a Christian manga

>>379023183
>gravity is op because no one knows how that shit works
Please nerf

>>379023307

>I can't touch/feel/understand blood, void or chaos

lol
fire is as nonsense as any of those

>game has nuclear as element

>>379023312
If the rock is made of magic, yes. Just like a flaming rock does fire damage

>>379023409
Not void and and chaos.

Blood can be an elements, but the other two are concepts, not physical things.

>>379023335

>strongizards can't fucking stop nuking stuff and having dick constests about it

>>379023116
I didn't say wind wasn't an element you dicktwat

>>379023409
How is it? We all know what fire entails, it's typically just fireballs/meteors/volcanoes, and for the cornerstone of the classical elements it represents energy.

>>379023548

"Fire" is not a physical thing

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>electricity and fire are different damage types

IT'S LITERALLY THE SAME SHIT

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>fire element
>water element
>ice element
>lightning element
>wind element
>earth element
>light element
>space element
>moon element
>nil element
>illusion element
>time element
>flower element

>explosion element

>>379023628
Yes it is.

>>379023628
Its a physical reaction.

>>379023648
>electricity
>fire
>the same shit

>>379023572

>>379015518
>light, dark, chaos, wind, shadow, life and death are "elements"
>wind

lol

>>379023648
They have different effects, though. Getting burned doesn't paralyze your muscles.

>>379023576

Anything is energy
A "fireball" is not a ball made of fire because fire is not a thing

>>379023674
>he's never purified explosonolium

>>379023648
Yep you're stupid

>>379023648
That's like saying ice and water are the same shit.

>sword
>breaker
>plus
>cursor
>invisible
>these are actually elements in a real game

>>379023685
>>379023707

No
Combustion is a physical reaction
"Fire" refers to result of the combustion, and generally to the visible part, the flame.
It's absolute nonsense to consider "fire" something that can exist in a vacuum

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"gravity" element.

>>379023964
ki

>>379023648
>Electrical energy is the same as thermal energy
Well, I guess I could just plug my computer into the fireplace to save money on my bills.

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what are some games with great elements?

>>379023761
You fucking inbred cockmongler, read

>>379016152
>Water and fire are part of the classical elements you donut

Just because you can't infer is no reason to shit up the thread by being a fucking retard. Did your parents drop you on your head or were you just born that fucking dense? Of course wind is fucking element, damn you're an idiot.

>>379023974

Out of all of the usual videogame elements it's the only one that makes scientific sense as an element

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>trap in a 5th level dungeon, hard to spot even for a rogue
>no saving throw, instant death if it hits
>if you get hit by it, you have to go home and find new friends, you can't just roll up another character

>>379024062
Pokémon

>>379024062
Persona 1
Axe element

>>379024062
My favorite game

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>>379023784
>>379023784
>>379023784
>>379023784
>A "fireball" is not a ball made of fire

>>379022823
>>379023168
Someone gets the ability to control carbon
>They become the strongest person in the galaxy and are incapable of being killed by any living person

>>379024062

Winter voices

http://cymmina.gamependium.com/wintervoices/skills.php

The best skill tree I have ever seen wasted on a buggy, unfinished artsy mess

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>>379024035
>wasting money on firewood
>not just plugging your computer into your foot and stomping the floor repeatedly

>>379021127
Delet this shit right now, Quizlos.

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>>379024120
Marcie's own fault for playing with a shitty DM

>>379024224
>they actually have a very weak control over it.
>light regeneration and some debuffs

>>379024062
Persona 5 to some extent.

>>379023964
But it isn't an abstract concept like Void and Chaos. Even if it's the product of combustion, it's a legit thing.

>>379024384

that kusoge doesn't even have lightning

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>light and dark are super effective against each other

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>>379024062
Elements

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>Fire beats ice.

>But water beats fire.

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>>379024476
>Zio

>>379024610
That is perfectly logical

>>379024565

>death and entropy are distinct elements

not even worth a pirate

>>379024565
>steal a permanent

Permanent what?

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>>379024476
What do you mean?

>>379024706
marker

>>379024621

FUCK
I meant uh
EARTH
yeah that's right

>>379023784
You can abstract anything into saying it doesn't exist like "Earth" yet you don't get all bent out of shape over that one

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>>379024706
Basically continuous magic/trap cards from YGO.

>>379024649

Heat should evaporate water really

>>379024610
This is why democracy is a mistake. When you have people this stupid who are allowed to vote.

>>379016305
Concentrated goody-two shoes energy that burns the bad guys because it's bright or some shit

>>379024610
>Fire beats Ice
>Water refuses to report the domestic violence, and tells its sister Ice to just make sure dinner is ready on time from now on.

>>379024876
It's not just heat, it's fire. Fire is smothered by water. It takes a lot of prolonged heating before you get evaporation and even then evaporation just makes a cloud that becomes rain and puts the fire out anyway.

>>379024829

The point being that it's ridiculous to say some elements are more legitimate than others because they "exist". Anything "exists", just because you can't stick your dick in it doesn't mean it's not an important component of the universe

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>>379021127
HE HAS ARISEN

>>379024074
You're clearly not very intelligent.

>>379024876
Its more expensive to create a fire that can generate enough heat to evaporate X quantity of water than it is to create enough water to put that fire out.

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>>379024698
Why the fuck would death and entropy be the same element?

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>>379012764
>holy and almighty are different types

>>379025156
Sometimes people randomly die

>>379024649
>>379024921

No anon, you are the retard.

You see, water and ice, are the same thing at different temperatures. If you melt ice, you just get water.

If fire would be put out by water in any situation, that same amount of ice will also put it out.

Ice is also an excellent insulator retaining it's own temperature for much longer then many other solids.

>game has sun as your main element
>become a vampire at the beginning of the game

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>Fairy type

>>379025261
Ice is generally treated as cold, and fire heats up things and thus removes the cold.

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>poison element

>Fire, Water, Earth, Wind, Thunder, Light, Darkness, Star, Vacuum and Void
>there's only 3-5 spells of each element in the game
Star Ocean 2 was weird.

>>379025261

I guess you never heard of sublimation.
I don't where you're from but that's basic high school physics.

>>379025156
I don't like time magic, it's always overpowered.

>>379024698
>entropy and time are distinct elements

>>379025294
it makes sense since most fairy type moves are about taking power from nature

>>379025290
>Not being purified to be able to use both

>>379025141
I'm not the one saying Wind isn't an element, you fucking retard

>>379025440

it makes sense in context
it's more like "magic" type really, for a fairytale definition of magic

>>379025530
You do get to switch between forms

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What games have fun elemental magic systems?

>>379025516
Then why do Psychic, Grass, and Dragon exist?

Fairy is just a bullshit type designed to try and "balance" the game, by nerfing some types into the ground while not buffing types up to their level instead.

>>379025359

Any ice that is heated up would then go on to turn into water and put out any fire.

This is literally basic logic. Splitting water into water/ice doesn't make sense, and trying to justify fire being strong against ice makes even less sense.

You could easily say "hurr living things are warm like fire and cold like ice kills them so fire is weak to ice." Which is actually much closer to the truth since heat is in a constantly losing war to the absence of heat.

>>379025498
You're still saying im right. If a fire is so hot it'd have turned ice directly into gas, then it would have turned the same amount of water into gas as well even faster. In that case it doesn't make sense for fire to have been weak to ice OR WATER.

If fire is hot enough to completely evaporate any ice, it should also evaporate any water
If fire isn't hot enough to evaporate water, then fire should be weak to ice.

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>>379025507
It's one of the stronger elements in the game, true, but I wouldn't consider it the strongest. I'd probably give that distinction to Entropy, Fire, and Water.

>>379025791
Like I said, Ice isn't treated as literal ice, more as a manifestation of cold

>>379022281
Holy shit did Bionicle do this?

>>379024451
The thing you guys aren't thinking about is the setting of whatever has chaos and void. You're applying Earth logic into it which makes no sense. Chaos and Void can be literal elements and actual things, not an abstract concept. If someone can channel this chaotic energy and cast Chaos bolt I'm pretty fucking sure it's no longer an "abstract concept," especially when there are gods or creatures that have dominion over said things or are created from them.

>>379025827
It depends on the game mechanics but generally haste is a source of opness, see most Tactics game, Arcanum, Vampire the masquerade (Toreador celeration) etc.

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>>379023661
>dragon element

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>>379016375
This really fires off my pericles.

>>379025872
Yes, and the concept of heat is defeated by the concept of cold.

If Ice is a stand in for cold, then fire is a stand in for heat. Heat is a thing that needs fuel, cold is merely the absence of heat. It doesn't make any sense for heat to ever beat cold.

>>379025749

fairy completely makes sense if you think even five seconds about it. why do you think its weak to steel and strong against dragon ?

>>379016305
Could be divine energy or power that divine beings bestow upon you. Usually those with holy powers get them via divine blood lines or from a patron/god.

>>379025749
What type got nerfed into the ground because of fairy?

>>379025749
>Psychic
ESP ya dip
>Grass
nature itself
>Dragon
durr
But yes, there was no actual point to the type itself when Dragon's actual problem was Ice types being shit and Dragons having higher base stats.

What they should have done was made steel super effective to dragon and to have buffed ice by giving it more speedy attackers rather then slow walls who get hit with super effective everythings.

>>379026107
I thought Dragon's actual problem was that outrage fucked entire teams with minimal setup.

>>379026060
No, cold objects are always warming up.
Christ dude, it's not supposed to be scientific. It's supposed to evoke the feeling of warming up next to a fire in the winter.

>>379026096

If anything the appearance of fairy buffed steel

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>chick tracts

>>379025294
Represents fey.
Seems ok to me.

>>379026275
>COLD OBJECTS ARE ALWAYS WARMING UP

Holy shit, Finish highschool.

>>379026107

Even with good ice pokemons dragons would destroy them because they all know strong fire moves;

>>379026096
It resists Bug for some reason, shitting on an already bad type and made Ice even more pointless.
Seriously why does it resist Bug, if anything it Bug should resist it and Grass be immune to it as well but GF needed Fire to resist it to wank Charizard and Blaziken.

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What games let me create a magical stone machinegun?

>>379025993
You'd never guess what most OP decks rely on in Elements then

>>379026298
>some people don't end their own life after their character dies
fucking causals

>>379026398
M8, cold is the absence of heat. Heat is always moving into things with less heat.

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>>379026275

>cold objects are always warming up

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>>379021127

>>379026060
Cold is the absence of heat in the same manner that darkness is the absence of light and it only takes a mere spark of light to drive away the darkness.

>>379026516
bro, one day you'll get to senior year chemistry.

>>379026593
That's retarded, you're retarded. IF you only have a spark of light then you only drive darkness away for a sparks worth of time, then you're out of light.

>>379026416

>why is a type that represents a species that traditionally enslaves bugs as cattle resist bugs

i mean if you're not even gonna take five seconds to think about it whats the point

why the fuck would grass and bug resist it lol

>>379025261
Water expands when it turns to ice. Ice and water react differently in fire in the sense that it's easier to put out a fire with water than with ice. On top of that you need more volume of ice than water as water expands when it's frozen making it, along with it's ridged nature, more obnoxious to use to put out fires. Ice mage is mostly used to cause hazard effects and pierce shit anyways unless you go the turbo nerd route of "water bullets"

>>379026593

that's not a good comparison considering a small amount of heat would get stretched to nothingness instantly

you need a HUGE amount of heat like a star to have any impact

>>379026714
>Normal things harvest and grow grass.
>Normal doesn't resist grass.
What's this fucking horseshit double standard Gamefreak?

>>379026721

Holy shit nigger, you're so fucking stupid.

if you have the same weight in water and ice, and drop them in the center of a fire, either both will put out the fire, or neither will.

>>379026714
>why the fuck would grass and bug resist it lol
>why would the two types that symbolize nature not resist the type that draws power from nature
man u is stupid

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>Game has a water element and all the spells are ice attacks, but is strong to fire
>Game has interesting element ideas like time and sound and shit but it just uses generic bolts with different particle effects
>Game has an element system that is literally color coded generic attacks to use on the proper enemies

>>379025791
This postulat, or basic premise has its root on a faulty assertion - given an infinite amount of fire and ice, if one were to somehow heat ice in its whole then ice would melt into water and then somehow water would extinguish the aforementioned infinite amount of water.

There are multiple case (or at least one for the sake of demonstration) where this CAN be avoided.
Someone with an hypothetical fire gun placed anywhere in shooting position but not somewhere where the molten ice could get to him can successfully deal with the ice/water.

Thus meaning the aforementioned postulat is FALSE.

You cannot continue to use that faulty assertion furthermore since it's false.

>>379013124
>>379012764


Wrath from the heavens in other words.

>>379026542
He probably meant that heat is a thing but coldness isn't it's just the absence of heat (wich is the movement of atoms)

>>379021127
kek

>>379026928

fairy doesnt draw power from nature, it's the power that makes nature actually exist

you are actually this stupid

>black element
>murder, theft, disease

>white element
>peace, purity, homosexuality

>>379026645
>>379026820
You don't get it, you don't have to defeat coldness or darkness everywhere at once, the point where fire is create is immediately cleansed, you only need an instant of fire or light to defeat whatever dark/cold entity you are fighting at the moment.

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>>379016305

>>379027343

that makes no sense, there's degrees to this stuff, quite literally

you need a heat that's ridiculously strong like a fucking ball of plasma for it to not be dissipated into nothingness in a space that has no other heat in it.

>>379027295
>Fairy Wind
>Moonblast
>Geomancy
>Moonlight
>Moonblast
>Nature's Madness
>Guardian of Alola
>Light of Ruin
>not drawing power from nature
>despite even move descriptions clearly saying so
you don't know shit about dick
we're done here

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>elements are the Tarot's major arcana

>>379027020
Your proof is retarded because you're trying to prove me wrong by proving me right.

My assertion is that fire is either weak to both water and ice or weak to neither water or ice.

If the fire is so hot that it burns away water and evaporates it, then it should be neither weak to ice or water.

IF the fire is not hot enough to evaporate the water, then turning the ice into water serves no purpose for fire, the ice prevails, now as water. The fire is weak to both ice and water in this case.

The fire either has to beat the water or lose to the water. And Ice is water.

>>379027343
There is no ammount of cold or ammount of darkness. It is impossible to reach 100% light. It is impossible to reach 100% heat. This idea is so meaningless that the idea of having 100% light or heat doesn't even exist as a word in the english language.

Light/heat can never defeat the absence of itself in a non-binary system.

>>379027527

Let's check the pokedex entry for the fairy god to see - oh woops yes you're fucking retarded

if you don't even have cursory knowledge of basic mythology why the fuck would you even speak of these sort of things

>>379027343
Consider the following. For Cold to prevail over heat, it must reach absolute zero. At the point it hits absolute zero no further movement of molecules will ever occur again. At this point "cold" has won.

For heat to prevail over cold, heat must sustain itself infinitely, there is no upper ceiling for heat to reach, it has to maximum infinite heat, a non existent nonsense concept and remain there literally forever.

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>>379027527
>>379027845

>>379027731
You don't seem to have understood what I wrote, fair enough.

>>379027903
We are talking about magic its magically fueled heat.

>>379014789
electricity is the motion of electrons
electrons predominantly interact through photons (which are light)

>>379027963
I understand what you wrote but what you wrote merely proves that A is wrong because it is B and A and B are sometimes mutually exclusive.

While I said that the answer should be A or B, and not C.

>>379027845
>>379027912
>doesn't even say that it directly is the source of nature other than taking the form of a tree and bestowing eternal life
holy shit, you just foiled yourself

>>379023917
Battle Network, right?

>>379027731
>It is impossible to reach 100% heat
biggu bangu

>>379028110
yes

I don't even pretend to know what's strong against what.

>>379028084

>creates eternal life with geomancy
>somehow is not the source of nature

you are actually this retarded

>>379022823
The closer thing is that PSO-like game for the DS called Element Hunters. Where each monster have an essence of one element and you harvest to make weapons.

It was shit and japan only

>>379027731
You are fighting a water elemental with a fire elemental, the water elemental wins against it by smothering the fire.
Now you are fighting a ice elemental with a fire elemental, the fire elemental melts the ice elemental and the magical energy that kept it alive is dissipated living an inert puddle of water.

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>no games where you can fire an extremely pressurized ballpoint sized water beam to cut nigs in half

>>379028232
>Move descriptions flat out says it absorbs energy to power up
>Move animation even shows Xerneas taking energy from the surrounding area into itself to power up
>Other fairy moves absorb the energy of nature
>hurrdurr its creating nature lolol
Holy shit just stop, actually I will for you

>>379028056
>you wrote merely proves that A is wrong because it is B and A and B are sometimes mutually exclusive.

Not only did you not understand what I wrote, you don't understand predicate logic.

>>379027295
If Fairy energy results in plant life, then wouldn't plant life be resistant to it? It's the same logic that results in plant resisting water.

>>379021815
Ice melts and turns into water damage, which puts out fire damage.

It's that Marines vs. Stick, Marine breaks stick, now 2 stick, stick wins.

>>379014385
TG, or character swap?

>>379027994
>>379028160


It literally doesn't matter what fuel the heat runs off of because there is an infinite amount of not heat because there is no upper of hotness, no ceiling for heat to stop at.

Lets imagine that something is 1000 degrees. Well, it could be infinitely higher degrees. So cold is not defeated because cold is the lack of heat, and the heat is lacking infinite amount of degrees.

Something can never prevail over nothing. Even in the smallest possible space, between atoms there exists nothingness between the molecules. Molecules are made of quarks, and between the quarks is nothing. Whenever we find out what quarks are made of, there will be a layer of nothing between them. Something is incapable of defeating nothing.

Nothing can always win because when there is nothing it doesn't need something to surround it.


>>379028304

>moving the goalpost to magic and declaring your made up on the spot rules correct.

You're a faggot, in my fanfic reality ice elementals beat fire because I say so.

>>379028602

Not only are you gagging on cock, but you are also swallowing semen.

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>>379027582
>elements are the sephirot of the Qabbalah

>>379028640
Reminder that gamefreak can't into balance.
>fairy resists bug for some reason

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>>379028558

holy fucking shit my dude I'm just not gonna bother, I actually pity how dimwitted you are

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>fight a boss built up to be the ultimate evil of the setting and a threat to the entire world
>resists holy damage
Story through mechanics is best story.

>>379025886
Yep. If I remember right, there was even a Bohrok that controlled gravity as an opposite to I think Stone. He imploded, and the Vacuum one was flung into the atmosphere. From under a mountain.

Bionicles were rad as fuck back in the day.

>>379028781
B-but U-Turn was too stronk.
Yeah, they fucked up. Fairy could have fixed a number of things, but they just made it a type that is immune to what was once the strongest attacking type in the game, and made it weak to two of the worst and most limited attacking types in the game.

>>379028802
and here comes the anime smug girls
when you have nothing left to argue you recede into ad homenims
we're done here

>>379028640

Fairy energy results in all pokemon life, or possibly all life. It was introduced in a game whose's plot completely revolved around the manipulation of life force and its weaponization. To not understand that fairy energy is life force in general you would have to be retarded enough to not understand the plot of a game aimed at 10 years old.

Just because an energy gave birth to you doesn't mean it can't fucking hurt you.

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>water element
>ice element
>no steam element
getting tired of this bullshit

>>379025076
Yeah it does because they are more tangible and understandable than something like "void" or "chaos". The 4 classical elements are pretty easily defined and understood by everyone, I don't think anyone has any misunderstandings about the properties, visualisation, effectiveness, strengths/weaknesses or general concept when it comes to something like "fire", it's fire, but if a spell were to do "chaos" damage, what is that? What am I doing ingame to my enemies? What is it logically strong against? It's nebulous and unless it's clearly defined ingame (and it seldom is) then it's just retarded.

>Elemental attacks
>All they do is more damage to certain damage and less damage to other enemies

Elements should all have their own special effects.

>Fire: Short lasting high damage
>Lightning: Change to paralyze
>Poison: Long lasting small damage
>Ice: Slow down enemies

That kind of shit.

>>379029427
*chance to paralyze

>>379029348

> I don't think anyone has any misunderstandings about the properties, visualisation, effectiveness, strengths/weaknesses or general concept when it comes to something like "fire"

Half of this entire thread is people arguing about fire vs water and fire vs ice
Any time you assume "I think everyone can agree on [...]" you are wrong. No, nobody can agree on. Explain your fucking shit or don't bother chiming in.

>>379029067
>Fairy energy is life force
Nice retcon Gamefreak, nice of you to forget that Dragon was life force in the older gens.
Hacks.
I'll be honest, you're actually doing a fantastic job of making Fairy look like the dumbest type ever created. And this is coming from a guy who adored the concept. Way to go, jackass!

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>>379016375
Fucking kill yourself you retarded sack of shit

>>379029597
:^)

>>379029561

Dragon was never life force, dragon is a particular race of gods that just happen to be very strong

>>379029427
Elemental Rock Paper Scissors, secondary effects, and environmental effects.

Fire can cause damage over time and start environmental fires. Ice freezes enemies to slow or stop them, produces icy slicks that can trip up enemies, or can weaken structures to blunt force trauma. Stuff like that.

>>379029506
Are you retarded? Or what? You just seem to read my sentences then stop halfway through to respond.

And yeah, some games may do things slightly differently, it would be pretty uninteresting if every game had magic systems that functioned in 100% the same way, but everyone can generally agree on the details of the 4 classical elements, with some minor quibbles (that break out into full autistic arguments on here) about the exact details of them.

Instead you seem to want to throw more fuel on the fire by adding even more retarded elements into the mix, again, how is something like "void" damage going to stack up against anything else? What sort of void spells are there? What even is this games definition of "void"? Nebulous elements like "void" can mean a thousand different things to a thousand different people because of how unclear they are when people like you seem to think we have it bad enough with the 4 classical elements to begin with.

>>379029732
>dragon is a particular race of gods
Oh man, we're really getting into "I'm making shit up" territory now.
Also,
>Dragons are sacred POKEMON. They are full of life energy. If you're not serious, you won't be able to beat them.
Dratini's Silver pokedex entry also alluded to life energy.

>>379030004

Shut the fuck up you retard

>>379030152

Yeah I'm making shit up, it couldn't be that the gods of time, space and dimensions, the beings that literally fucking created the universe and are second only to the allfather are dragons - oh woops they are

Being full of life energy is just being very strong. There's a difference between having an excess of and being the living breathing source of.

If you keep accusing people of making shit up I suggest you try to take five fucking seconds to think about what you type.

>>379030159
Piss off buddy, you can't even come up with any arguments to defend your claims. Instead you just want to play retarded super-unique fantasy games that make no sense and are loaded with a bunch of shitty, gay elements. You can't even justify your reasoning with strangers on the internet which is just embarrassing.

>>379030338
>Yeah I'm making shit up, it couldn't be that the gods of time, space and dimensions, the beings that literally fucking created the universe and are second only to the allfather are dragons - oh woops they are
Jesus Christ anon you sound like a fucking loon.
>The god of Pokemon is Normal type
>This means that Normal is a god type.

>>379030508

I said shut the fuck up

>>379030592

>Arceus is normal type

lol oh boy
if you have nothing to contribute just say so buddy

>>379028686
character swap

>>379030704
Or what? Are you going to cry? Is anon going to cry in front of the whole school? On class photo day too?

>>379015956
Underrated post

>>379021127
God fucking damnit

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>>379030592
>Arceus is normal type
>Arceus
>Only normal

>>379030592
Archeus changes types

>>379030996
A damned shame. Thanks for clearing that up though.

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>>379012764
>Giant Evil Dragon
>Strong against Holy damage

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>>379032120
>undead pope
>weak to dark

>>379026417
only thing that comes to mind is the Fate/Stay Night fighting game. Rin and Luvia both have attacks like that

>>379015956
Water is abiotic.

>>379032959
>water is awater

>>379032120
He's trained his resistances his entire existence solely for this. Holy warriors expect to easily beat him, nope, fuck you. Holy resistance.
>>379032390
He may be undead, but he's still a man of God, Anon.

>>379029427
I just played Nioh, and man, i really don't get some of the elements
>fire does continuous damage, makes sense
>lightning slows you down, also makes sense
>water lowers defence?
>wind lowers damage and poise damage??
>earth makes you take double ki (stamina) damage???

>>379033079
biotic doesn't mean water you retard

>>379033147
>water lowers defence
It erodes rocks. Get it?

>>379033147
>Water
Erosion, conductive.
>Wind
Try doing anything with a strong wind blowing in your face, you won't be hitting very hard or keeping your balance.
>Earth
Trying to maintain your footing is pretty hard if the earth is shifting below you.

>>379019924
Lightning comes from the sky. Light comes from the sky.

>Hurr wait let me apply science to magic

>>379025747
This game had the best evil route I have ever seen in a game.