Sonic Mania

>>379001607
What are the chances of a demo being put on online stores during E3? Also, Sonic 1 & 2 HD on Console/PC when?

Tyson Hesse making my favorite Sonic style canon again makes me happy.

>>379001963
We're probably not getting a demo until the game comes out, since they specifically went out of their way to spoil as little of the game as possible, so they can't risk repeating the same shit as the Generations demo data mining.

>Sonic 1 & 2 HD on Console/PC when?
I'm assuming that Sega doesn't see a point in this, since Mania features remixed stages from those games and is being developed by the same people.

The animation looks very, very jerky. Key poses don't naturally flow into each other, they quickly jerk into them. I'm hoping it's just because it is an unfinished product, not because it's Hesse's style. If it's smoothed out so the actions actually have some flow, the animation would be perfect.

WHERE'S SONIC ADVENTURE 3?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>379005381
hopefully never

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>>379005381
>>379005556

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The art for this game is fucking crazy good.

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>>379006280
Really puts Sonic """4""" to shame. Along with the rest of the game too of course.

>>379004854
thanks bubble shield guy

>>379005381
Considering Mario Odyssey is reviving the 3D platformer and Izuka is dead-set on making Sonic do whatever Mario does, it might not be long until Adventure 3.

>>379006887
really glad sonic 4 died off becuase of how shitty it was, but it was a nice concept.

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>>379007075
Just doing my job.

>>379007216
It's good to see that Sonic's back to doing his as well: obeying the laws of physics.

>>379007216
havent seen this one yet
>hard dick

>>379001607
If there's a sequel, one addition that I REALLY want (even moreso than brand new levels) is more characters.

I'd love to see how some of the modern characters would work in the 2D gameplay, or have Vector and Espio control like they did in Chaotix.

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>>379004854
Why do you always post the Bubble Shield one? Give the Electric Shield or Flame Shield some love also.

>>379007381
He's doing it to show off the physics, which have been a huge point of discussion/controversy in the modern 2D games

>>379007083
>>379005381
'06 was essential adventure 3 and it was a shitshow. the only good parts of the adventure games are the sonic and shadow levels.

>>379007381
Haven't saved them, but sure I'll do that.

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>>379007083
Mario has better roll physics now.
Will SA3 finally have proper physics?

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>>379007604
Only if Izuka gets fired and Whitehead becomes the new head of Sonic Team. Then he brings on the Utopia team.

>>379007604
generations felt really nice and had a good engine, but its levels worked differently from the adventure games. hopefully they can copy how adventure felt but make it not fucking jank

>>379007604
>Mario has better rolling phtsics than nu-Sonic Team's Sonic games
JUST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY3KVTMm264

>>379007751
this looks really good, whats it from??

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>>379007496
That's a great thing to show but this game has so much more to show off when than it's great physics.

>>379007550
Here, have a freshly made Flame Shield one then. There was already another one like this out there but this is higher res.

>>379007751
That's the GHP dev, though.

>>379007794
Generations had garbo physics, though.

>>379007838
This music is really bad and I can't really think about anything else to say.

>>379007934
It grew on me.

>>379007838
spindash here looks better than generations, where you were pretty much encouraged to skip most parts of the level with it.

>>379007928
Nice, saved both of them.

>>379007867
I saw it on /sthg/ a while back. They were going to make a fangame of their own.

>>379007929
Was it? Either way. Both made some stellar fangames.

>>379007997
im sorry

This game looks like a badly upscaled ROM hack. I don't think they bothered trying to rerender the tilesets, they just took them straight from the ROMs and ran them through a filter.

I usually encourage retro-style games like this, but this really does look like a shitty low-budget cash-in on Sonic nostalgia.

>>379004854
i like you

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>>379007934
>>379007838
>that Splash Hill homage

>>379008257
Is that what it's supposed to be?
I thought for a moment that it could have been, but it was so short it could have just been coincidence.

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>>379007928
Might as well dump some of my webms.

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>>379008542

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>>379008658

>>379008339
White Park act 2 had a reference to Twinkle Park's theme and it was just as short as this. I don't, I have severe doubts that it was just coincidence, since it sounds kinda out of place.

Has Chris said anything about Forces/Mania? It seems odd that he hasn't commented on them.

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>>379008729

>>379007083
>Considering Mario Odyssey is reviving the 3D platformer
Not really. People want 2D Mario, not 3D Mario.

I'm really hoping that leaked glass cathedral zone is actually gonna be in the game. Looked really pretty.

>>379008835
No they don't. People want true 3D Mario. So far we keep getting 2D or "3D" (like 3D World where the levels are linear but you can move in three dimensions). People want something like 64 or Sunshine again, and it looks like Odyssey is not going to be like that. It has hub worlds, but inside the actual levels it looks like you just move in roughly one direction like 3D World.

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So what's the deal with this game exactly?

Is it a Sonic Generations thing where there's just some levels from some Sonic games or is it a complete remake of the some Sonic games?

>>379008932
I wish there was more off the wall locations in the sonic games. Things like twinkle park and shamar etc. A church zone or a shopping mall etc, need to be done to. Tired of how homogenized sonic has been for years now

>>379008979
>People want true 3D Mario.
No, they don't. 3D Mario has never been a hardware mover. NSMBW outsold both Galaxies combined. NSMB fucking trounced SM64DS in sales.

3D Mario needs to die and Nintendo needs to go back to giving 2D Mario the care and attention it deserves.

Nintendo is the house that Mario built, and it was 2D Mario that did all of the building.

>>379009034
Brand new game.
You know how sometimes you revisit levels from an earlier game in a series but they're different because time has passed or you're in a different part of the area?
That's how the retro stages work and there's plenty of new ones to go around.

Think of it as the Sonic 4 we should have gotten. If you're pedantic about numbers it could be Sonic 5.

>>379009034

New game. You revisit some areas due to "plot" but they're heavily remixed.

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>>379009034
It's a new game featuring a mix of remixed zones with new level layout, items, mechanics & etc. and also completely new zones. Read this image for more information on the game.

>>379009034
It's basically an ascended fangame headed by a man that created a Sonic physics engine himself that's 1:1 with the original games. It has levels from the old games because of Iizuka wanting them in, otherwise it would've been completely original.

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>>379009168
>>379009218
>>379009268
>>379009273


Oh ok, nice.

I'll probably buy it then.

>>379009034
It's a new 2D Sonic made by fangame developers who know the physics and gameplay of Classic Sonic better than Sonic Team. It has brand new zones and remixed zones from older games with completely new layouts and gimmicks.

>>379009056
It's cause it's been sucking Mario's dick recently with the basic Desert/Lava/Beach/Ice level design.

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>>379008832

>>379009319
It's also only $20 so that's a plus.

>>379009416
Yeah, its boring as shit. I havent much of sonic anything since 2010, when iizuka started making the series just a mario-lite. Only good part of colors was the new themes, generations was short, bland, and rushed. Lost world and boom, abysmal. I think mania is the first sonic game i'm buying at launch since unleashed. Or do the all star racing games count as sonic games?

>>379008729
Hey, they added Splats to the garbage heap.

>>379009575
Mania having a movie-making themed city and indian/saloon themed desert is a point in the right direction. And at least they're trying their hardest in making the returning zones different enough from their original counterparts.

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>>379009423

>>379009585
I didn't even notice that, nice touch.

>>379007216
>Just doing my job

Fucking shill I swear

>>379007216
Those physics are making me fucking wet

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>>379008932
I don't see why it wouldn't, I mean they used it on a poster about two weeks ago.

>>379006887
>that guy who argued that more frames of animation is bad

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>>379009423
god

>>379009917
And that faggot is the one who dropped animation for shitty let's plays while being terrible at vidya.

>>379009761
If only every shill was this chill.
I guess that's what happens when the game they're shilling looks so good they don't even have to sell it.

>>379009917
>>379010038
I can only assume you guys are referring to Egoraptor, but there's a bunch of retards out there so there's a good chance I'm wrong.

>>379008542
>that Chaotix featuring Knuckles the echidna. Welcome to the next level in 32x world style blue ring monitor and giant rings when you get hit
Now they need to remix door into summer

>>379010274
At least I was, not sure about the other anon though.

>>379009724
Yeah those are cool. I almost was going to wait for a sale to get mania upon seeing that it was using green hill and other old levels again. But when i saw green hill 2, it looked different enough to be acceptable and it just looks so fun. And its only $20, so fucking cheap. The price and green hill 2 being just different enough swayed me over. Still, I would like to get another massive 3D adventure like sonic unleashed was though, with a big story, new character and gameplay etc. I like the 2D sonic games but have always preferred the 3D ones

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>>379009751

>>379008542
You know what just hit me? There's more than one destroyed moniter sprite so they don't all look the same after you wreck them.
The attention to detail in this game is unreal.

>>379010274
I don't know about that other anon but someone argued that sonic 4 opening sonic thing looked better in a thread

>>379010341
If Forces sells enough, maybe?

>>379010362
I love the way the gun spins around

>>379010385
Ho' shit

>>379010427
Forces just looks like generations 2. Something radical must have happened to sonic team in 2010 because that was around the time I couldnt enjoy their games anymore. I'll just hold out for mania and its inevitable sequels, and hopefully more sonic racing games because those were great

>>379010572
You can basically blame everything on Iizuka.

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>>379010385
What the fuck? I never noticed that. Here's another cool small detail they added.

>>379010362
thats fucking sexy

>>379010727
That's such great autistic attention to deal.

>>379010745
Reminder that stage is basically born from a mock up screenshot from sonic 2 stage called dust hill zone

>>379010745
It might just be that, mr takashi iizuka. I dont want to hate him because hes made games ive enjoyed but maybe he has just gone senile or run out of ideas now. But of course japanese business pride will secure his spot

>>379008835
>people want 2D Mario, not 3D Mario
maybe on planet idiot

i cannot believe everyone i've seen on the internet praising this animation as "the sonic we love is back"

this is and awful micky mouse characterization that completley fails to capture the character of sonic.

it's just sarcastic cutesy LA art schoool adventure time bullshit. what an awful animation

>>379010841
I'm just stunned that we've gone 75+ posts in a Sonic thread, and the first result for "autism" is in a positive context.

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>>379001607

Do you think the Father of Sonic, Keiji Inafune should develop the next game?

>>379011184
(You)

>>379011302
What else can be said, people are super excited for this game.

>>379011382
He can go jack off into a Beck body pillow and choke on it

>>379011382
I wonder if Megaman fans felt this exited when Megaman 9 was announced.

>>379008818
>CWC has moved on from sonic because it's a kids game
>you still haven't

time to neck myself

>>379011569
Chris just wrote another chapter to Sonichu recently.
I'm pretty sure he's not over it, it's just that he doesn't really have the free time he used to now that life is catching up to him.

>>379010841
I just see a red circle on a background. The fuck am I looking at? They copied a brown hill shape?

>>379011728
They added little waterfalls to the bits of the mountain that were missing in the original game.

>>379011184
Great job shitting in a decent thread

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>>379010362

>>379012506
I'm looking forward to seeing the Knuckles exclusive routes.

>>379011728
In the original game the bottom of that mountain just cuts off, so you can see the sky behind that cut off area at the bottom of a mountain. In Mania they drew a waterfall in the place where you could see the sky.

>>379008979
>It has hub worlds, but inside the actual levels it looks like you just move in roughly one direction like 3D World.
Where are you getting this from? Because everything that's been shown and said about the game implies the opposite.

>there were people who thought this game would be bad
>there are people who STILL think this game is going to be bad
let that sink in

>>379013769
Skepticism is good, but at this point it would take a lot for them to fuck it up.

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>>379011496
Yes, we did.

>>379013769
All the news has been good, but I've been surprised in the past by the actual quality of a "can't fail" game.

daily reminder that sonic mania takes places in the past but after sonic generations because of time bullshit shenanigans

>>379011496
I was pumped as fuck for both 9 and 10.

>>379014191
I'm wondering what this magic elevator is suppose to be

>>379013769
Naturally there will always be the "Sonic is never good no matter what" people, but they can just wallow in their cynicism while I have Mania pre-ordered.

>>379009115
>NSMB fucking trounced SM64DS
>new game beat a shit remake
ya don't say

>>379014397
That's why we have Forces!

I'm completely confused on Sonic World.

Is it Earth?

Is Robotnik/Eggman, a criminal, a rogue scientist, or the human leader?

Is he plotting world domination? Does he want to robotify all life forms?

Sally and Amy. Are they both canon or only one?

Where on earth or whatever does this shit even take place?

>>379014720
Depends on the region

Japan: sonic lives on earth
America: sonic lives on mobius

Eggman just wants to make eggmanland and fuck with sonic, no deeper meaning

Amy, anything not from sonic team is not official and not canon (ie comics)

>>379014508
I have hopes for it

>>379014485
Shit remake my fucking ass

>>379015101
the mobius thing was never canon to the games ever.

>>379014720
Eggman is a rogue scientist. It is Earth (but not our earth, NYC = Central City etc). Eggman wants to rule the world and turn it into Eggman Land.

Sally is comic/cartoon only.

>>379015101
Mobius was created by Archie wasn't it?

Is there a reason why sonic 3 has never gotten a modern port? Is it because of the music licensing that I keep hearing about?

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>>379015101

It seems like the American storyline is generally better.

Plus the comics, and anime had a nice cast that's better than what Japan shit out.

I like Sally Acorn, and mobius, and all that shit.

>>379015197
Made everything look like shit.

No analog movement without the fucking touch screen. This is not remedied by playing on 3DS.

Pointless filler stars.

The game should have been on Wii instead of the DS.

>>379015347
Music copyright issues with Micheal Jackson's estate.

>>379015214
AOTSH and that was sega americas setup for sonic, while sega japan was all about putting him on earth with adventure, x, 06, shadow, unleashed, classic sonic etc

>>379015347
yes

>>379014720

Classic series is Mobius, though in Japan it was always Earth (Sonic 2 and 3 were made in America so you choose who to believe).
Adventure and onwards is Earth, unless its something like Lost World where they make a point that it isn't Earth.

Though not canon, Sonic X starts with Sonic and friends sent to Earth from their home planet, and that was made in Japan.

>>379007928
>They still haven't fixed the water that everyone thinks actually looked like blue stripes because no fucking CRT emulation

Polygon is giving Sonic Mania the most love in terms of press talk i've been noticing.

I got to interview Tyson for my high school back when he lived in Oregon for a time. It was pretty fucking surreal meeting him in person.

>>379015347
>>379015441
>>379015423

What's stopping them from just re-using music from other sonic games, or just making new music?

>>379015347
Read this by Stealth, it gives some details:
http://hcstealth.tumblr.com/post/110586472232/regarding-sonic-3

They were working on it though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAp0oImSczQ

EVERYONE MIGRATE INTO THIS THREAD AND EXPLAIN IF YOU FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY GOGOGOGOGO
>>379010985
>>379010985
>>379010985

>>379015542
They probably left it that way on purpose

>>379015428
Yeah but AOTSH/Archie is not canon to the games. And they're kind of bad, too.

>>379015348
The american storyline leaves out the fact that Sonic 1-3K all connect to SA1 and SA2.

>>379015571
The first videos of gameplay were from Polygon weren't they? The people playing were garbage as usual.

>>379015679
Fuck off.

>>379015423
>>379015441

I guess that's a shame then, I still see the game sold on steam but I guess the ost is different for the pc version.

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>>379015398
>made everything look like shit.
Fucking what

>>379014720
Sonic's plot is a mess of retcons and region differences.
It's best to consider the games self contained unless they are directly branching off of the last game.
Don't try and make sense of the world it's not going to happen.

>>379015714
AOTSH is great, fuck you, still the best sonic cartoon

>>379015691
Why? It looks bad and the original artists only did it that way because it actually produced a transparency effect on a CRT. So it's faked transparency that is now broken when we can just add the use thing now.

>>379015786
It's what happened with the original PC release of Sonic 3 and Knuckles. Levels that had music made with help from MJ were just outright changed.

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I believe.

>>379015792
They changed the artstyle into a generic one that would later become the NSMB aesthetic

>>379015792
Well he's half right. Some stuff is better and some is worse.

>>379008658

looks like a rehashed version of Stardust Speedway from Sonic CD.

>>379015947
If Hyper Sonic isn't in Mania I'll be very surprised.

>>379015924
I prefer the PC versions of those songs. Especially Carnival Night.

>>379015984
Because it is a remixed version of Stardust Speedway Past.

>>379015792
Not him but the colors on the left sure as hell are better, also DS has better overall models since Nintendo got more experienced with them but the characters couldn't even do the victory sign when grabbing a star in DS, it's just a clump of a fist, looks pretty ugly.

>>379015984
But it is Stardust Speedway Past.

>>379015951
Christ that's pathetic

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>>379015947
So is this the game that's going to end the mandate that only Male Hedgehogs can go super on their own with the emeralds?
Because if super knucks and tails aren't in I might die of dissapointment.

>>379016163
It is. I wish they would have kept the spirit of the original designs.

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>>379001607
You guys did your part, right?

>>379016210
>inb4 someone posts dorrie

>>379016292
I preordered Mania the moment I saw the trailer say you could do it.

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>>379016292
Got 2 Xbox One copies. I did all I could

>>379016292
I don't preorder games anymore, but I do intend to pick up Mania.

>>379016292
I preorded the collector's edition, then I backed out a few days ago. Getting the regular instead.

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>>379016338
Hell of an improvment imo

>>379016292
the preorder is really cheap now, im gonna wait until this june 15 to buy it, sine i get paid that day, i already spent a lot this last days.

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Old Dorrie was fucking ugly

>>379016549
Can the older version of something really be considered an improvement over a design that came later?
Sure it can be superior, but I don't think improvement works backwards.

>>379015214
>the mobius thing was never canon to the games ever.
That depends of how you feel about instruction manuals.

To be honest, it being "Earth" was probably not the plan either. I'd wager there WAS no plan that far back.

>>379007867
seems like HedgePhysics by LakeFeperd

>>379011184
Hesse didn't go to art school in LA, he went to a school in Georgia

>>379016210
>>379016338
>>379016549
Honestly the only thing that's fucking dumb with the redesigns is the fact Bubba (the big cheep cheep) lost it's cool shades in DS and maybe the Scuttlebug, I'm not a fan of it's new design personally.

>>379016639
>Old Dorrie
Was an actual dinosaur and not some stupid yoshi.

>>379016732
LakeFeperd is still doing sonic things after that jester game?
Huh I thought he was trying to do his own thing now.

At least ds mario 64 scuttlebug doesn't look like programmer art that made it to retail

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>>379011184
>sonic would never stumble or trip or be caught off guard or cute

wow you're a giant fucking idiot

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>>379015347

It's probably music issues as stated, but Izuka went on record saying that he didn't want them to continue with 3 because "it was already on enough platforms."

I find that last part highly suspect though. He also took credit for pitching Mania, though I imagine team did something alluding to it first.

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>>379016775
>realistic
>Mario
pick one

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>>379017047
Fuck retail 64 & DS Scuttlebug, beta 64 Scuttlebug is the best.

>>379016860
i don't know, IIRC he said he wanted to take a break from 2d platformers, and hedgephysics might be just a test of 3d for him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxIhgLPgdHM this is what leads me to believe so, it's a spark character

he was also gonna make an f-zero-ish racing game, dunno how that turned out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mzggB9u9kg

>>379017093
>inb4 muh westerners ruined sonic

>>379017168
yeah I like that one too

>>379017168
how the hell did they downgrade from that?

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>>379016639
The design was better but the in-game model was worse.
This sprite has him a little too chibi but I like the dot eyed plesiosaur with the more blocky snout, a chin, and more blobby body. Looks too much like Yoshi now which makes him look more generic.

>>379016775
He isn't a dinosaur

>>379007751

There's gotta be a better way to do perspective with loops in 3D without completely automating them or doing camera tracking like this. Snapping to a spline so you could run through it without worry of accidentally falling off if the camera pans?

>>379011184
https://twitter.com/europeanextreme/status/870273214810914816
lol found ur twitter

>>379017372
Plesiosaur, dinosaur, same thing.

>>379017512
snake, bird, same thing

>>379017602
Exactly.

Wish it was possible to play all 3 players.

>>379017775
You mean at once? Because you can pick between Sonic, Tails & Knuckles.

>>379016292
I'm holding off for now, Sega published with Denuvo before.

>>379015947
>tumblr

>>379008832
looks like something straight out of eggman hates furries. this game is giving me the greatest sonic boner yet excluding bat tats ofcourse

>>379017496
>Thinks he knows what Sonic should be
>doesn't actually do art

Draw more man.

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>>379017775
Sonic and tails "1.5" player looks like it will be in there, but knuckles has different routes so I don't think they'll do a three player mode.

>>379018072
>some internet rando thinks he knows better than the guy that actually created the character
https://twitter.com/NaotoOhshima/status/870913679067185152

>>379018072
While on the subject. I need to start drawing more environments and cute animals.

>>379017224
Well, they did. Multiple times.

>>379017917
At once yes.

We are 3 brothers that played Sonic to death.
We all have a favorite

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>>379018289
Where did i ever state that? I was just mocking the guy who posted
>>379011184

>>379010275
>they need to remix door into summer
They already did
They need to remix Midnight Greenhouse or Combination or Pendulum or Seascape or Electoria or New Moon or...etc.

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>>379018289
>>some internet rando thinks he knows better than the guy that actually created the character

That's Keiji Inafune. Naoto Oshima only made a rough pixel "skeleton", while Inafune created the final design. So he's at least half creator. And since Inafune was series producer/writer/director for far longer than Oshima was, he's really more of a fathre figure than Oshima was.

>>379018493
Oh I know, I was doing the same

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>>379018568
>Keiji Inafune involved in Sonic's creation at all
Are you... are you fucking kidding me right now anon. Are you actually insane. You do know what series we're talking about right.

>>379009724
>indian

>>379018568
What's it going to take to end inafune posting.
It's such an awful meme.

>>379018568
This is the wildest bait I've seen in many moons

>>379018813
As in North American native.

>>379007838
God, his movement still looks too heavy or stiff or something. Generations was off like that too

>>379018568
wasn't funny 20 post above, it's not funny now
stop, inafune already proved himself to be the hack and fraud that he is with mn9

Tojo naka ruined sonic xtreme because he threw an autistic fit because they used the nights engine for a version of the game

>>379011496
Hell yes. /v/ was Splash Woman General for a while too

>>379018951
Tell me about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R16IBC_kD5o&index=2&list

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUCpfigCaOE

>>379015101
>Eggman just wants to make eggmanland and fuck with sonic
No
The plot of the first game is Dr. Robotnik wanting to turn the whole world into Robots but when Sonic stops him countless times he resolves to kill Sonic once and for all by turning his friends into badniks

Eggmanland is just new-age Unleashed faggotry

>>379015101
Wrong
Both regions had Sonic on some weird world that is never named. Get that Mobius shit outta here.
The back stories were a bit more explained in the Japanese manuals but either gave plenty of info about how fantasy-like it was. That's why it was called Planet Freedom in the OVA.

>>379015714
>Sonic 1-3K all connect to SA1 and SA2.
They fucking don't
Modern shit does NOT connect to the classic universe and never will

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>>379017602
Of course.

>>379015423
>Music copyright issues with Sony.
ftfy
Don't forget that Sony owns MJ's catalogue now

>boss is weak against its own weapon

>>379015638
>What's stopping them from just re-using music from other sonic games
Nobody will buy that fucking shit
That's what they did with the PC version in the 90s

>>379015529
>Sonic 2 and 3 were made in America
By fucking Sonic Team and directed by Japanese people

Further more Sonic 3 and Knuckles was completely done by Sonic Team exclusively working with the Japanese Branch of Sega Technical Institute because of the language barrier difficulties they had during the making of Sonic 2

>>379016023
Fucking utter shit taste

>>379017496
https://twitter.com/europeanextreme/status/870217466680619008
How can one person be so wrong about Sonic

>>379018951

yeah it looks like complete and utter shit. I wish the people who think this is acceptable would just be shot.

>>379017113
>that 60fps smooth webm
You're doing god's job anon
I hope Mania team wises up and adds 120fps/180fps/240fps(basically multiples) support because there's a lot of monitors out there that can benefit from it and seeing since this is a low res game it can easily run at those framerates

There is no Earth or Mobius in the original games. What are you talking about

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>>379015574

He's a regular at Artist Alley at Anime Expo and have had the pleasure of shooting the shit with him the last couple of years. Bought a giant poster of his Mega Drive sketches that he Hancock'd, then brought it with me to SDCC and got it signed by Yuji Naka and a few of the other Sonic Team guys. Hoping I can tell him this year how grateful I am for his work on the animation.

>>379020873
He legit draws the best Sonic and friends.

>>379019398
but eggmanland's concept has existed since adventure

>>379020873
is he the guy that does the super cute amy?

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>>379021171
ye

>>379021171
From the Mega Drive comic? Yeah that was him.

>>379018568
This meme just might catch on

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>>379021264
I wish Classic Amy was the main design still, she's so cute.

>>379020873
>punch too
They're giving Knuckles another mechanic?

>>379021264
THE BEST AMY. I need more

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>>379021171
Everyone he draws is pretty cute.

>>379018923
It has nothing to do with Native America
It's the American Old West...that's it

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>>379021369
I'm pretty sure it's just referencing his idle animation.

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>>379021038

Don't forget his villains

>>379021060
No it existed since OVA you newfag
But either way that wasn't the original story of Sonic from the beginning

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>>379021508

>>379021434
what's this called? I gotta read it

>>379021508
MAH EMAROOLS

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>>379021591

>>379019423
There was a document at Sega of America called "The Sonic Bible"

It had a super autistic story about how Sonic had 5 siblings or some shit...shit was nuts
http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_Bible

>>379021608
Mega Drive

>>379021608
Sonic Mega Drive. Thanks to the shit happening at Archie it was cancelled before it got finished.

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>>379021608
Sonic Mega Drive by Archie Comics. It'll never finish.

>>379021591
>SPINDASH'D

>>379021702
This comic had the best Knuckles

>>379021714
Who killed the comics, sega or archie?

>>379021798
Archie fucked up twice.

>>379021798
Yes.

>>379021591
>BRAK

>>379021880
How?

>>379021361
Classic Amy was always better then Adventure Amy.

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>>379021913

'Did you call, good buddeh?

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>>379021264

>lowkey hoping for unlockable amy with this design + advance gameplay

>>379022326
I hope amy is unlockable and uses her hammer to jump and attack

>>379008658
Starlight Zone > Stardust Speedway

>>379022282
>BRAKKED

>>379021434
>I'd have turned into Super Sonic by now

It was always so fucking awkward to me that in the games, Sonic's super form was never ever addressed until he finally transforms into it.

Please someone send. My a key or a copy http://steamcommunity.com/id/ttggtg

>>379022539
sent ;)

>>379022539
>inb4 two dozen copies of badrats

>>379022539
It's fucking 20 dollars. Can you not afford that?

>>379022594
Or Lionessy Story

>>379022539
faxed

>>379021798
Presumably both. Sega doesn't want to deal with any more legal trouble, and Archie's president/ceo/whatever is quoted as saying Sonic isn't Archie so they want to drop it.

>>379022684
That fucking anon

>>379022845
>tfw Chaotix featuring Knuckles the echida. Welcome to the next level in 32x world Knuckles looks like a fat gay pregnant dog

>>379022514
Sonic's game logic is NEVER explained. What are rings? What are special zones? No reason, they're just there.

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>>379021591

>>379022845
Sonic 3 Sonic has resting bitch face and his shoes are retarded.

>>379007838
>Green Hill again
fucking why

>>379022951
>What are rings?
They're power rings. They give him energy.

>What are special zones?
Never explicitly said but one can imagine that they're areas created by the chaos emeralds to prevent any random person or animal from collecting them. Why else would there need to be a Master Emerald that can control them if they didn't exude some kinda weird bullshit?

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>>379021796
Tyson has always drawn the best Knuckles.

>>379023090
Because it's ~nostalgic~
I have a feeling that Taxman was annoyed he needed to put it in as well.

>>379021798
It's unclear. It's likely both to some degree, but mostly on Sega's end since Archie clearly did not prepare any of the books to stop where they did.

There's no real answer as to the reasons, though. There is a lawsuit involving another former writer suing SEGA and Archie. There's rumor of SEGA raising the licensing fee, possible due to the lawsuit or how big this year is for Sonic.

>>379023204
>They're power rings. They give him energy.
No they aren't. SatAM is not canon. There's no universe logic explaining their presence.

>one can imagine
Oh good, because I explicitly asked about fan theories.

>>379021471
What are the odds that his idle animation can hurt enemies à la Luigi's taunt in smash?

>>379023204
>they're areas created by the chaos emeralds to prevent any random person or animal from collecting them
>eggman and others can simply pick them up off the ground in other games

I got a sweet discount for this game on pirate bay.

>>379023423
>There's no universe logic explaining their presence.
http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Ring_Energy

>>379023485
They've already been collected from special stages and abandoned or lost (not necessarily on-screen) and have yet to regenerate the special stage defense mechanism. Once the Chaos Emerald has been collected from the special stage it exists as a normal object in the real world for a period of time before returning.

Solved.

>>379023650
That's pretty retarded anon
So much for all powerful emeralds

>>379021798
Ken Penders

>>379022951
>>379023204
It probably comes from a comic but Special Zones are space time singularities created by the Chaos Emeralds as they are not naturally stable most of the time in the world and rings are created as the environement around the special zones are full of energy.
Most special zones entries are giant rings and the super form consumes rings so that's kinda obvious all of it are just caused by the chaos emeralds.

>>379023563
This doesn't explain what rings are at all. It just says "ring energy is a thing evidently."

>>379023563
This page is just a collection of game mechanics that interact with the collection of rings.

>>379023706
This is nothing more than a fan theory. Unless you can point out what game said it, the point still stands. "Game mechanic" things in Sonic simply exist and are rarely justified.

>>379023062
His shoes graduated top of their class at Harvard

>>379022951
I dunno, I think Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 are pretty clear about all of that but the later games kinda muddlied it.

>>379022845
The S3&K sprite has always been the default sprite in my mind because I played that the most and liked it the most even though I knew all the other games had a different sprite, but damn. Seeing them all next to one another, it looks kind of shitty.

>>379024057
It wasn't that it was clear, it's that things were simple enough that you could make some inferences. Special stages being created by the chaos emeralds isn't "clear", for example. For all you know they were put there by Knuckles or his ancestors.

>>379024057
Clear about what? There's not any plot justification in Sonic 2 or 3. The closest thing we come to "plot" is the ancient mural in Sonic and Knuckles seemingly foretelling the final showdown.

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>>379022845

>i've always preferred sonic's 3 sprite because it's sleeker, expresses ATTITUDE and is a more vibrant blue

>>379024127
I disagree. I think it's a great sprite. The shininess, and even his feet being angled towards the camera is a nice effect.

>>379022951
Rings are not naturally occurring items, they're made specifically for Sonic (and other lesser heroes who play a part in aiding Sonic, like Tails and Knuckles). They are placed in Sonic's path by his guardian angel, they have magical and life protecting/enhancing properties, it's why they're necessary to shrug off impossible amounts of trauma, and sustain the otherworldly Super state in conjunction with seven chaos emeralds. The statue of the angel in Wacky Workbench's good future is the being that creates them and carefully places them on Earth.
The special stage is a pocket dimension, created by higher powers to store the Chaos Emeralds. It is just barely beyond Sonic's comprehension. He can only see swirling shapes, colors, images, and patterns, and the rings that guide him. Things like blue spheres and the half pipe are created by his guardian angel to help him navigate such an environment.

>>379024634
Shitty was a bit harsh, but to me it's too thick. The hands and feet are large and it makes it look like they had a bit of trouble fitting everything in. Don't like the smaller pupils, and the slight touch of a mouth is a detail that doesn't need to be there. As for his feet, his right (or whichever, with sprite flipping) foot pointing straight at the camera looks amateur to me. The other sprites might look a bit flatter because of how they do it, but you don't usually stand with your feet splayed out like that. He looks like he's got a lazier stance, whereas Sonic 1 and 2 he's facing starkly forward. I also like Sonic's shoes more when they're more pointed and triangular, but that's personal preference.

I do like that the shading makes his spines look properly three dimensional though, the way it was done on the older ones (and the mania sprite) makes them look flat, like he's got the mohawk style from the american boxes and cartoons, which I've always hated.

>>379007934
>>379007997
>>379008129
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP5cA57G82I

>>379025402
So why are the placed in Eggman's path to collect in Sonic Adventure 2?

>>379011184
>pointless nitpicking
>le "LA art school meme"
>the most uniting thing in Sonic Fandom in 20 years, but *I* know better

wao, this is a real autistic Sonic fan checklist

>>379025941
To be fair Tyson is basically just carbon copying Kazuyuki Hoshino but that's a perfect fit for this type of game and more than likely leagues better than what would have happened had they tried something new or different to return sonic to 2D.

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Cameo when?

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>>379001607
I can only imagine how much they regret this

>>379025789
What would have happened if Eggman sat around and did nothing the whole game?

>>379026340
god fucking damn it sega, this should of been sonic 4 so fucking hard, can't they just RETCON this SHIT?

>>379026340
Well they don't even acknowledge it anymore. There was suppose to be an Episode 3 but they ended up not even bothering.

>>379026198
Carbon copying, isn't the right outlook I think. This is more like if AoStH had adhered to actual japanese model sheets,

>>379001607
Man Sonic would've been heckin' cute today if they stuck with the classic design.

>>379023031
the superimposed brak part makes him look like he has mouth

>>379026340
I'm glad Nintendo had the foresight not to call NSMB Super Mario Bros 4 (or 5, if World counts)
Sonic Mobile shouldn't have been called Sonic 4, but Sonic Mania shouldn't be called Sonic 4 either. Sonic Mania is a throwback anniversary game like Generations, not something entirely new. I'm not insinuating that's a fault, because it will be great anyway, but that title just wouldn't be fitting. Mania is Mania and should be Mania.

>>379026514
>Well they don't even acknowledge it anymore.
They literally do in Sonic Forces

>>379025789
Because Eggman ultimately contributed to the greater good by working with Sonic to stop the Biolizard from crashing the Ark into Earth.

>>379026318
These characters are officially dead

>>379026769
How?

>>379026838
some music or something

>>379026198
He's carbon copying Studio Junio...though adding a bit of tumblr to that

>>379026706
Sonic Mania isn't a throwback anniversary game. There are original stages, and the old ones are heavily remixed because they are revisiting them at a different time. That would be like saying MGS4 is a throwback game because you go back to Shadow Moses

>>379026838
>>379026879
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N29_SIddmeU
1:05

>>379026971
It's a throwback anniversary game with effort and heart poured into it. The original stages are not the focus, but it's pretty cool that they got to make a few.

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>Tyson Hesse includes Amy in his Mega Drive comic
>Tyson Hesse is doing animated cutscenes for Sonic Mania
>put two and two together
Amy is an unlockable character in Mania boys

>>379026971
>heavily remixed
They are literally the same stages with new extra routes tacked on

>>379026903
Could you point out to me the tumblr in the animations?

>>379027109
>his
He didn't write Mega Drive, dude. He just draws it.

>>379027134
>literally the same stages
No, they may have some of the same sections and that is because they are literally the same place after all

>>379026971
>"Sonic Mania isn't a throwback anniversary game"
>announced along with forces on the fucking 25th anniversary of the franchise

>>379027109
No he didn't, it's not his comic. He just did the art.

>>379027253
No, dude. There are comparisons available. They are literally the same stages.

>>379026971
I don't think you've considered the theme of the game or its title. It is by all accounts an anniversary game. You just haven't seen one done right before.

>>379027265
It's not purely nostalgiafagging in the same vein as Generations

>>379026903
Why it took so long for someone to step up and start emulating that style is the real mystery

>>379005381
In the dumpster. Where it belongs.

>>379022845
Mania Sonic is the best Sonic of all time.

Funny that Knuckles lost his mouth.

>>379027342
>They are literally the same stages.
Nice to know that you literally didn't look at those comparisons.

>>379027342
They are in a sense, since all of the original Green Hill Act 1 is in the new Green Hill Act 1, but there's also a bunch of stuff added under it, on top of it, and after it, so it's a little more fleshed out. The new Act 1 even has bits from the original Act 2 and Emerald Hill.

>>379027752
But I did. They are literally 1:1 aside from the new extra routes scattered around.

>>379028032
>they're literally 1:1 aside
>aside
hmmmm

>>379028032
Not the guy you're talking to, but you have NO clue what you're talking about.

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>>379028032
Not the guy you're replying to but you realize the only full comparison we have is Green Hill Act 1 right? 2 looks to be completely new and Whitehead has even said Green Hill is the tamest remade zone.

I hope all of you buy multiple copies of this game just to show Sega that this is what the franchise should be, real Sonic made by real fans who know what the fuck they're doing, no more friends, no more edgy and retarded stories, no more crappy 3D gameplay that doesn't work and most of all NO MORE VOICE ACTING! In 25 years Sonic has never had a good voice actor even going back to look at those old cartoons now I felt like Sonic's voice didn't fit, not urkel, not ryan, not jason, not Roger, not even whoever voiced him in the movie fit. It's just impossible to make a voice actor voice Sonic correctly no matter what.

>>379028330
Flying battery's looking a little more tame so far. Green Hill has stuff from Emerald Hill and the cave area added to it while Flying Battery only has the trash compactor stuff so far.

It's great to see so much good art brought back into Sonic and all this general good buzz i'm seeing is floating around the hope of a great new sonic game like Mania.

But to me it's to cautionary. Depending on how Mania performs, likely well from what we're seeing, this puts us back at the time of S3&K, waiting for a great 3D successor to classic 2D Sonic.

3D Blast stumbled out of the gates and left everyone feeling bad I'd say and by the time Adventure came around it was more like a reboot honestly which is fine but it's grown into it's own thing. I sincerely hope we can kind of use this to go back 'course correct' how it should've been. Get the Utopia guys on board with Whitehead, have them make an actual successor to genesis-era Sonic. It could be great.

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>>379007604
>Mario Run
>Sonic Jump

WHAT HAPPENED?

>>379028497
There's Sonic Dash anon, don't worry

>>379028436
But we also only have like less than full minute of FB footage.

>>379028420
I have a feeling that Mania is going to do just fine.

>>379028032
Green Hill act 2 ALONE proves that you're full of shit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBLUSXIqsmQ

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>>379027752
>>379028032

>>379027109
Taxman and Stealth don't like Amy

>>379028724
When have they ever said this?

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>>379028575
>Sonic Runners shat on Dash in every possible way
>Sega cancels it
>put out Sonic Dash 2 featuring Sonic Boom characters

>>379028721
It's almost like it's the same place, but changed over time
Exactly what I said way back here >>379027253