Trails thread

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Is there a tier list for FC?

>>378994040
Should've used a Crossbell pic tbqhwymgm (to be quite honest with you my good man)

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Remember to pre-order their game.

>>378994214
Does it matter? You don't even get to choose your party most of the time.
Joshua is pretty good.

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>>378994440
I'm pre-ordering the real class VII's third game, fuck these two nu-Cold Steel generic anime fucks.

>>378994214
You don't get to choose till the very end.
Olivier is overpowered
Tita is shite
Joshua's delays are really powerful.
Just go with who you find most fun

might as well machine translate Ao

>>378994745
What's so bad about them? As far as it's known about Vander and pink hair what's her face is some guy that doesn't know what to do with his life because his designated job has gone to shit and a fangirl Lloyd wannabe.

>>378994440

I'll be lucky if I even get to Zero by the time Sen III releases. I finished The Third not too long ago, but I've been putting on Zero and Ao because I don't want to take two months to finish them.

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I like her.

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>TFW the Zero TL project guys are now feeling a little bummed out from this rough translation getting released so they may take a break on making the translation look more proper

They had a discord channel set up for answering stuff about the project, and now that they caught air of it people started commenting on how "it's not that bad, not great, but good enough" and the most touchy of them goes "good enough feels like it's spitting on our efforts". I kind of get it, but at the same time it feels stupid
>>378994869
It rough, but it's nowhere near machine translation tier.

All the Crossbell arc girls are pretty as hell, goddamn.

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Calvard when?

>>378995139

Oh, did the patch finally come out, or is that just just a screenshot from the team?

>>378995042
butthurt contrarian detected

>>378995267
Did you even read the OP?

>>378995198
I'm not playing the whole game. I'd still wait for a better translation or an official xseed localization.

Can 2 years of moon classes, 300moonrunes memorized, and google translate get me through zero/ao?

>>378995315

I did, but I thought it was a script TL or something, since I expected more than a rough translation.

>>378995198

Waaah. People will stil play a properly done translation all the same.

>>378995405
Only 300? You're gonna have a bad time.

>>378995198
Serves them right for spending all this time faffing about instead of getting their version finished in a timely manner.

>>378995405

>Classes
>300 Kanji memorized

Good luck with that. Maybe if it was two years of self-study or one of the rare good classes. If you have the drive for it though, sure.

>>378995516
There's no need to be a dick about it.

>>378995431
It's a rough one from back in 2015-2016, but it has all NPC and main story translated it seems. It's above machine translation for sure, but still awkward.

>>378995198
The e-celebs of the English speaking falcom fanbase are kinda drama queens, huh? Both Hatsuu and omgfloofy seem to have really thin skin. Gu4n is the only one I haven't seen spazzing out on a regular basis.

>>378994040
I guess this patch lacks EVO voices? I read TL team was planning to put them there too.

>>378995516
They're under no obligation to anyone.

>>378995645
It's not fully voiced, just small clips.

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>>378995278
I just don't want people to be disappointed when Ao does get translated and they find out that it isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Tio is perfect, though.

>>378995624
Gu4n was actually pretty chill about it, and said he was happy it was leaked so now people can draw a comparison between the rough one and theirs when it's finished.

I see threads about this game every now and then, should I try playing Trails 1?

What should I expect?

>>378995447

Some people are touchy about things like that. I know a lot of people in scanlation for example who can not stand getting sniped, even if it's by someone who did a shit job. Others couldn't give a shit less if they tried and keep on trucking.

>>378995624
Gu4n spazzes out too, he kinda tried to nuke the Falcom Discord months ago to make it SJW friendly. He was shut down though.

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In hindsight, as cool as it is, names with funky accents on them are indirect indicators of characters who'll be party members later on, because those were taken from the display names on their status screens whereas I'm pretty sure other characters don't have official romanizations like that
Not that there are more than one, maybe two, cases where you wouldn't already expect it, but it feels a lot like old JRPGs where potential party members would have their names in ALLCAPS even if they don't join until right at the end
if anything, it's pretty adorable

>>378995098
They seem like such empty low effort LN cardboards after the first Class VII.

>>378995765
A really long prologue with loads of world building.

Daily reminder Cold Steel ruined the series

>>378995737

I haven't played them yet, but I haven't let the hype get to me because people always hype up untranslated media as the best shit ever. I'm expecting them to be at least as good as TiTS though, if not better. I've heard the story gets pretty crazy.

>>378995826
Is it good though?

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>Played Cold Steel 1 and 2
>About to play Zero
>Would play TiTS but 2slow

I'm probably losing out on something here but I don't think I can give any less of a shit.

>>378995980
Zero is closer to Sky than cold steel just fyi

>>378995765
A great game.

>>378995973
No, it's trash and we all hate the series. Play something good instead like Tetris.

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>>378995973
I don't know your tastes, but i was charmed by the series when i played it, so i had fun. Not sure if it falls that way for you. It's plot heavy and has a lot of text, so be ready for that.

>>378995973
I thought so. Depending on your tastes you might find the quite slow start boring but once it gets going it really gets going.

>>378995980
So this is a Cold Steel fan... Heh, not bad...

>>378996084
This artist is such a treasure.

So is this patch for PC version of Zero? I'm out of loop with this.

>>378995973

Don't know what you'll think about it, but I liked it. It's a slow burn and I just enjoyed traveling the country and solving local issues while wondering what the fuck was up with Joshua's past (no spoilers, you find out he has a mysterious past within the first couple minutes of the game) and what the hell Cassius was up to until shit started taking off toward the end. But as someone else said, it's really just a prologue for SC.

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>Long haired Rean saves my rookie ass

Dammit Rean go back to your own game!

Say what you will about the Zero translation team but they had basically zero proof of concept.

As far as most people could tell, there was no sign of any progress being made. So no, they don't owe the community anything, but they really didn't do anything to warrant people defending them either.

They've done absolutely nothing in my eyes.

>>378996317
PSP version.

>>378995765
Get into it if you really like worldbuilding and character development, because it's the king of those things
Don't bother if you're expecting it to be like modern meme games though; it's a series that demands a lot of investment in order to fully appreciate
Like you can't just play one and stop, it's all one big consistent series and the story isn't even halfway over yet

>>378995737
>Kuudere with a shitty mascot fetish
Nah, I would say she's the worst mary sue in the series, but Towa exists.

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>>378996351
Arios is waaaaaaay stronger, and has mastered one of the styles. I believe he trained along with Cassius too, not sure.

>>378996351
Arios is 100% of the reason why Rean is so uncool
He's basically the perfect formula of what Rean could've been, but since they'd already made him when it was time for Sen they just made Rean instead

>>378996358
They really should've updated the website every now and then.

>>378996637
Why the fuck would they start a new arc with a super powerful divine blade protagonis? It's like you never played trails before. Of course rean is lame.

So i can finally taste Campy true power in Zero?

>>378996351
>>378996634
>>378996637
This talk of 8 Leaves 1 blade users makes me wonder, who would win in a fight
Rean at the end of CS2 without his super mode and without Valimar
or
Anelace, who could beat/keep up with Colonel Richard in TitS3rd

>>378996925
Like FC and Cold steel 1, no Sept-terrion plot is going on in the first game, so no Campanella. Ao is where you fight him.

>>378996925
No

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>>378996456
>Like you can't just play one and stop, it's all one big consistent series
Cry all you want baby boy, you're never gonna make me play Sky. Libell isn't even all that relevant to the current trails, it hardly gets mentioned in CS:

>>378997068
So you admit that you never played cold steel then. The liberl incident is constantly referenced throughout the games

>>378994040
She is best girl because she's trying to protect her daughter from a filthy lolicon.

>>378996986
Rean distracts Analace with Millium and then surprise attacks her because he's a master tactician.

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>>378997068

>>378996084
>>378996086
>>378996348
>>378996456
By what everyone's saying I'm probably gonna enjoy the game, so I'm gonna try it out, thanks o/

The order goes like Trails, Trails SC and then Trails 3rd, right?

>>378996737
They recently did an update and they said that they couldn't give tangible updates because it was all just spreadsheets.

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My cute wife Towa is so reliable.

>>378994040
Is it just me or is the rar file damaged?

>>378997068
Good thing Sen 3 has a plot point regarding the Hamel incident featuring 2 characters from Sky now.

>>378997218
Trails in the Sky FC
SC
The Third

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>>378996836
I mean, physically and personality-wise
>bracer
>long hair
>scar on his face instead of hidden under clothes
>good ol' nothin personnel kid swordwork
>dark past but actually a swell guy
>emotionally conflicted for good reason
>cooperates with Ouroboros for his daughter's sake
even his name sounds more whimsical and like "a combination of an edgy tryhard first name with a normal-sounding surname" as opposed to Rean being full fanfiction character-tier

>>378996986
best girl of course, and then she'll headpat him and his entire harem
who am I kidding, he has too much plot armor for that

>>378997218
No.

Trails in the Sky > SC > The 3rd.

Zero/Ao and Coldsteel take place after Sky, but also take place concurrently.

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>>378997218
See pic related

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>>378997218
FC, SC and then the 3rd.
Zero and Ao, which is untranslated, but zero got a rough patch with good enough level of text.
Then Cold steel 1 and 2, which is on Vita and PS3, but are coming to PC, and this year Cold steel 3 coming out in Japan.

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>>378996542
Tio is not a kuudere.

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Does this game have anything to do with Trails?

Same world even?

>>378997504
No.

>>378997504
No connection whatso8

>>378997504
It's the past series of games that existed before the current series. It has nothing to do with it plot wise though.

>>378997504
>Same world even?
It may be the same world, but it's just a theory. Also, ignore this game unless you can play japanese PC version. PSP remake is bad and the localization is terrible.

>>378997504
No. But.. They did pretty much lay the groundwork for Trails.

>>378997112
>>378997290
Ah, the tears of a clown, they taste the saltiest. And who is more fit to play the role of the jester, than the one whose game has been forgotten by falcom? Truly pitiable.

>>378997504
A framed picture of a major landmark appears on the airship from the prologue of Trails 3rd. Also, the current president is a fanboy of the series and there are a few nods to it in the Kiseki series.

How do you even apply that patch to psp version?

>>378997676
More terrible than current Zero? surely not right?

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>>378994040

How can we stop the red menance?

Post train wrecks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aNp_GRvKTA

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>>378997817
Turn him in. Keep our lolis safe.

>>378997696
Stop posting bait dumbass

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>>378997817
Get off the Orbalnet Erika.

>>378997504
>>378997709
Also, Doll Knight from Trails SC was a book from Song of the Ocean.

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>>378997756

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Zero has the best non final boss theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XUzvISRwUQ

>>378995198
So they're taking it like a bunch of whiny crybabbies then? Good.

I hope they don't finish their shitty meme "localization" and instead someone just imports the text to the PC version.

Fan translators shouldn't act like some kind of official company.

>>378998024
Inevitable struggle is the HYPEST shit.

>>378998024
But anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ok9bzDzaS0

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guys i just realized
there's not a single salt joke in here

but, is it really worth making ANOTHER version just for that

>>378998001
This is an official translation? That's fucking horrible. How did this even get a pass?

>>378998194
They literally didn't care.

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>>378998001

>>378996542
There's a perfectly good story reason why she likes that shitty mascot and considering her past she's not open to people for a reason. You'd know this if you actually played the games.

>>378998325
Yeah I have. She's still a mary sue loli. Nothing will ever change that fact.

>>378998024
>the best non final boss theme
That would be every version of Overdosing Heavenly Bliss
Inevitable Struggle and Silver Will are ok but I've never really understood the hype for them, besides "they play in important plot fights that you feel nostalgic for years later"
Intense Chase, Formidable Enemy, and even Demonic Drive are much better as far as Zero alone goes, I'd say

>>378994040
This is all we needed. This is all we ever needed, and instead they were going to spend probably another 6 months to a year, risking C&Ds every day just so they could pretty it up a little bit and slap it on their resume for that localization job they're never going to get.

>>378998325
That doesn't make the kuudere loli archetype any better.

I need Zero guide anons. Any good one out there? Especially about missable

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>>378998272

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>>378998535
It's not really worth playing through all the way through. For instance, the orbment manual is all in Japanese, and a lot of the dialogue is pretty awkward and is in dire need of editing. Kiseki deserves better.

>>378998529
>besides "they play in important plot fights that you feel nostalgic for years later"
Thats pretty much it, they play for the super important and fun fights. The balcony Loewe fight with that playing in FC is incredible.

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*wolfs down your path*

>>378998731
>pic
Not by Joshy boy.

>>378998731
>Kiseki deserves better.
The fuck do you think this is? It's a fan translation for people to just play the game. It's not supposed to be an A+++ professionally done localization

>>378998731
orbment manual translation when?

>>378998581
Feed the cat with worst result recipes every chapter for a quartz, give the statue in the eastern district all recipes in perfect cooking condition, buying off shops is also valid, for an item. Complete bestiary and scan all enemies.

Outside of that i don't know much more.

>>378994040
The first time I downloaded this it says that that file have been corrupted, and now the file is plain gone?

>>378995781
There's drama on that server, but nothing that nakedly stupid. And everyone gets over their shit because there's enough Falcom-related stuff to discuss there which is more important. Pretty sure Guan only gets pissed about the other wikis these days.

Floofy's somewhat easy to bait, but she's had to deal with NightWolve among other things.

>>378998194
Low standards for an early PSP localization which Bamco pumped out.

>>378998529
Inevitable Struggle never got the vocal arrangement it so deserved, just a run-of-the-mill Jindo violin J-rock thing. I really enjoy the FM-synth version by Kamikura: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IN0pTvagYA

That and Silver Will get so much hype because of their top-tier melodies which other great tracks don't quite excel at. But they're all great anyway, especially OHB, Intense Chase, Concentrate All Firepower, etc.

>>378998535
>C&Ds
Why do that when you can just license the fan translation? XSEED literally just did this for Zwei: The Ilvard Insurrection.

>>378998773
Silver Will really needs more creative remixes. All trance rock, all the time, gets stale, and it's sad how even We Love Sora no Kiseki has to have another generic version of the track which isn't even orchestral like the rest of the album.

>>378998839
I'm guessing the cat just ate something.

>>378998863
But even by fan translation standards its not very good because it's a rough draft.

>>378999001
It's good enough m8.

>>378998492
And she's only able to do those mary-sue things because of the things that happened to her like Renne.

>>378998773
That's fair, I'd agree that the fights those play in are top-notch
Except for the first Yin fight in Zero, fuck that bullshit
EOPs who started now will probably be getting there in a couple days, I can't wait to see their tears

>>378998961
maybe try this link? it was the iso already patched from the last thread but i uploaded the iso to mega because that other link was slow as fuck
https://mega.nz/#!LM4Hxb5J!0LrSUQF0yPjveDVPLSSn3Xq1i_tSwvqXHIU9Rzd3fiE

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Not sure if I want to start over from where I am not but it's tempting

>>378994040
>>378997289
>>378998961
>File deleted
That's probably why.

asked this in the other thread, but does anyone happen to have a chapter 1 clear save for zero PSP?

>>378998001
WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST READ

>>378997016
Why? we would never get Ao at this rate. I just want to fight Campy

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Are you going to buy Crow's Resurrection game?

>>378999467
Just start from beginning you fucking faggot

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What did they mean by this

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>>378999079
>good enough

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>>378999575
On the bright side anon, that means you can spend the next 15 years preparing yourself so that you'll be ready to be turned into a turnip and have your S-Crafts hit your party members by the time it finally gets EOPized

of course there's also the alternative, but you know what that is

Any guesses on how Sen3's orbment system will get better/worse?

>>378999950
It's good enough to play and understand. It doesn't have to be pretty.

>>379000018
>This camrip is good enough. Why bother waiting for the blu ray.

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How casual are you?

>>379000018
Quit being desperate and wait for a good translation instead fucking idiot.

>>379000089
Look buddy go be butthurt that people are playing it without your translation somewhere else

>>379000175
Or I can play it right now and you can go cry in a corner like a bitch because nobody wants to wait 2 years for your shit

>>378999703
i've been playing in japanese for the last two weeks and just want to pick up where i left off

>>379000259
Anon the prologue isn't even that long, just play through it.

>>379000143
What the fuck am I reading? Is this guy actually having problems beating the game on easy? I fucking SUCK at the game and I was able to 100% star/moon/sun door on normal relatively easily (if not time consuming).

>>379000240
Not even the original guy calling you out on your shit dipshit.

Is this whining anon involved with the other TL project? Because if so then he needs to learn how to act like an adult instead of throwing a temper tantrum because people aren't waiting to play the game on HIS terms

>>379000445
He's just some gamefags user who gives fucked troll advice all the time. Even for games he can't actually read in Jap.

>>379000445

Vegesther is a weird guy who sucks at everything, but is really autistic, so he just grinds to insane degrees to get through games.

>>378999818
why hurling? are the translators brits?

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I'm just glad the anger in these threads is redirected toward something funnier than NISA shitposting or subseries wars

>>379000143
Trails is not that hard, seriously you have to gimp yourself with no items or solo runs because most S-crafts are just silly.

>>379000143
I cringe every time I read this guy's comment on a video. It's almost single handedly the reason I don't even look at the comments anymore in gameplay videos

XSEED better not announce Trail to Zero at E3 now. They better keep up with the time and announce Ao instead

I hope Rean dicks both Tita and Tio

Is the rough draft at least complete? i'm so starved for crossbell that i'll even take duwang english

>>379000874
Nonsense. In fact most of their work is already done for them

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>>379000143
I recognize that name.

>>379000940
yeah. except for the police notebook

its a fair bit better than duwang.

but not great by any means.

Any way to improve the graphics on this PPSSPP? Feels like I need glasses.

>>379000940
no orbal manual translation anon. i am lost now

>>379000940
Go play Gurumin or some other Falcom game while we find out. It hasn't even been 12 hours.

>>379000940
Yeah.

>>379000616
Apparently the translator wanted the translation to be as literal as possible, which resulted in a rough deal.

>>379001114
t. Falcom employer

>>379001101
Higher internal resolution.

>>378999079
Yeah, this shakycam rip recorded by a guy with Parkinson's disease who was sitting between two families with crying babies is good enough

>>379001190

>Apparently the translator wanted the translation to be as literal as possible

Absolutely disgusting.

>>379001259
Not even comparable. This translation is fine

>>379001101
Well when you upscale things meant for 480×272, its gonna look rough.

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>>379000940
>rough draft
that's exactly what it is, completely unedited
prepare to have the boundaries of your endurance tested

>>378995917
You clearly haven't been in these threads for very long.

>>379000294
i meant a clear save from ch1 as in the beginning of chapter 2. that would take a good while to catch back up and i really don't want to have to redo that all so soon.

>>379001328
Yeah, just like a shakycam rip by a guy with Parkinson's of the chinese dub of the movie with google translated english subtitles encoded by yify is fine

>>379001374

Nope. Only got into the series six months ago and I barely come to the threads.

>>379001443
Go be butthurt somewhere else. You're acting like a child.

>>379001335

Fair enough. Just asking because >>378999950
is better than mine

>>379001473
That would explain it, moonspeakers in these threads have been saying the same things about the games since before SC's localization was announced.

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T-thats ok...i dont need to use magic....

>>379001507
Children are the ones who call a literal, unedited, buggy translation "fine" because it's *technically* in a language resembling English

Is Head Pat man still gonna hold back in the third one?

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>>379001561
>t-the translation is f-fine guys!!!

>>379000015
They can't make it worse than it is right nowr-right?,

>>379001616
no, he will headpat Tita, then Agate will come in to get revenge for his defiled loli.

>>379001615
Nope the child is the one who comes on 4chan to whine anonymously because someone isn't waiting to play a game on your terms

>>379001561
It wont take long to memorize them.

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Does someone have the patience to translate the orbal arts and quartz names? Here's a rough draft of the arts names in case someone wants to continue or whatever

Earth: Stone Spike, Quake, Gorgon Press, (not sure), Yggdrasil, Earth Glow, Crest, La Crest, Adamantine Shield
Water: Frost Edge, Blue Drop, Ice Hammer, Hydro Cannon, Diamond Dust, Tear, Teara, Tearal, Aqua Mirage, Cobalt Sphere, Thelas, Athelas
Fire: Fire Bolt, Heat Wave, Magna Blaze, Flare Butterfly, Crimson Ray, Forte, La Forte, (not sure)
Wind: Sparkle, Aero Sickle, Aerial, (not sure), Thunder Cyclone, Breath, Holy Breath, Sylphido (?), Recuria, (not sure)
Time: Soul Blur, Death Spiral, Shadow something, Chrono Down, Chrono Drive, Calamity something
Space: Dark Matter, Last Disaster, Innocent Arc, Fortuna, A-Reflex, Celestial
Mirage: Chaos Brand, Gallion Tower, Avalon Gate, Saint, Holo Sphere, Luna Craze

>>379001708
Not really, people are just pointing out that the translation is shit so if anyone cares about the series they should probably wait for a finished patch. Obviously that doesn't apply if you don't care about the series at all like you.

>>379001708
Says the literal child screaming I NEED CROSSBELL NOW NOOOOOOO PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY MY SHITTY TRANSLATED ISO DADDY

>>379001561
http://kiseki.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Orbal_Arts_(Zero)

you really shouldn't need to be spoonfed

>>379001797
Yep you're a whining child alright. Go ahead and stomp your feet and pout, kiddo.

>tfw this machine translation came out so now only 1 kiseki game is defended from EOP shitposting
Winter 2013 should have never ended

>>379001792

I've got nothing to do today. If you post pictures of the lists, I'll translate them. Looks like they're basically in the same order that you posted though just taking a quick glance.

>>379001928
>defended
EOPs are now pretending to be moonspeakers to shit on Ao, see >>378995737
>>378993653

>>379001972

Oh nevermind, this anon's got you covered >>379001863

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I don't get what I'm doing wrong, senpaitachi. Original Zero ISO boots up alright, but the patched one refuses to.

>>379001792
I'm guessing that one is not translated since the text is actually illustrated, and they'd need to draw it right?

>>379002014
The resident Tiofag hasn't played the crossbell games, so yeah, you'd be right.

>>379001928
There's an extensive play by play text of Ao aswell, so.

>>379001561
You could still use gamefaqs or other websites and wikis.

>>379001671
Cold Steel: You can equip normal, R, SR quartz as long as you have unlocked the slot
Cold Steel 2: Remember those R & SR quartz you could equip before? Upgrade your orbment slots!
Cold Steel 3: You can't equip quartz until you unlock those slots all over again!

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>>379002064
Just download the patched Iso an anon provided last thread. It works fine for me.

https://dropfile.to/nLcqhJr

>>379002045
Actually the wiki still lack some description for support skill.

>>379002086
yup it needs to be photoshopped

>>379002237
>You can equip normal, R, SR quartz as long as you have unlocked the slot
No?

>>378996084
I woudln't mind going around Liberl on foot.

>>379002237
CS gutted a perfectly good quartz system so hard.

>>379002394
orbment spreadsheets wasnt fun

>>379002394
Because it was too hard for the casuals Falcom was targeting with CS to understand. Even in these threads people defend the """streamlined""" system. I never thought I would see a day where a poster on /v/ would unironically defend "streamlining" mechanics but here we are

>>379002394
>perfectly good

>>379002471
Look, here come the raging casuals right now:

>>379002606

>>379002537
>>379002470

>>379002680
It wasn't good.

Stop taking the bait

Are people genuinely upset others are chososing to enjoy SOME form of Zero than none at all? Christ, get over yourselves. Gonna enjoy both this patched ISO and, if the gods will it, the professional translation when it comes.

>>379002394
I agree, I like the emphasis on stat building vs arts variation building, but I really miss the range of arts along with stats.
>"b-but bloated spell list"
I've heard ^ argument before and it needs to fuck off. Yeah, there were a lot of spells in Sky, press left or right to go up or down a page. Also, separating arts by attack and support helped better sort the arts loadout.
>>379002470
>"spreadsheets"
Wah, basic math is hard!

>>379002537
>insert master quartz
>make crazy combinations because of its high sepith count
>special rune skills
Yep, perfectly good in Ao.

>CS has the best combat in the series
I want ADHD fags to leave my favorite series.

>>379002789
It only took them four games.

>>379002721
Not if you're a casual, no.
>>379002773
This isn't anything new, purists for any media will shit on you for willfully subjecting yourself to low-quality leaks just to experience them a month or two sooner

>>379002870
Even in FC, it was better than the system in CS.

>>379002773
I'd only be upset if this causes the fan translation to completely stop because its already out and the editors stop caring. Didn't this same thing happen with another fan translation that got leaked early?

Estelle and Lloyd are garbage tier protagonists

>>378994040
The poll has already answered your question. No one likes Erika.
http://www.strawpoll.me/13003486/

>>379002880

If it were a month or two, it'd be a whole other arguement. Best case scenario is seeing Zero in 2018

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>>379002880
>month or two sooner

>>379002880
>a month or two sooner
more like a year or two senpai

>>379002994
>>379003005
>>379003018
This is what plebs always say to justify it.

>>379002973
So what does that make Rean? Hard to get worse than garbage.

Which game is better? Cold Steel 1 or Sora no Kiseki FC?

>>379002973
This gives me flashbacks of the Cold Steel english release and eveyone suddenly genuinely liking Class VII and hating Sky's party for reasons.

>>379003093
Shit made from garbage?

>>379003151
Literally never happened

>This patch happens right as soon as I start up SC
I really want to play Crossbell but I know that if I start now then i'll never play SC ever again.

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>>379003046
Look i wouldn't mind waiting if they actually gave some progress reports here and there, but they did a fucking website for that shit and it has barebones information on it's going and how far it is and it will most likely take a lot longer, even if it's just revising text.

Plus it's only a "side project" so that means even less time doing it.

>>378995781
>SJW working on a translation
Well now I have no reason to expect the translation to be worth anything.

>>379003046

Eh, I could be hit by a car or train in the next year. I'd rather have some form of experience than none. Won't stop me from enjoying full release.

But yeah the only fear as another anon said, is the team getting demotivated from this.

>>379003220
You play sc before crossbell. There's zero reason to play zero first

>>379003137
You get nothing out of both titles until the very very end but at least FC's party has some personality.

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Are we ever going to have a thread without constant arguing?

>>379003269
>I'd rather have some form of experience than none
Yeah, almost none of it, because you'll be missing 3/4 of the story anyway without ao.

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>>379003220
How'd you like the ending of FC anon? Also, play SC and 3rd first, there's stuff in Zero directly spoiling shit that happens in then, and one character that has a huge focus in it shows up in SC and 3rd.

>>379003137
Neither

>>379003330
:^)

These threads wre better when the percentage of EOPs was lower.

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>>379003330
No.

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Fuck you guys, I love ALL the Kiseki protagonists.

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>>379001190
The editor wanted the translators to remain as literal as possible, maybe even more.

>>379003243
>taking that post at face value
He's the dude who compiles Dengeki leaks of Falcom game news and is cool most of the time, also runs Kiseki Wikia. I think we're fine.

>>379003449
You mean they were better before they filled up with Tales and Persona refugees who played CS because they were desperate for Vita games.

Is Cold Steel 2 better than 1?
I didn't really like that Rean could have defeated all his enemies but he held back.

>>379003365
I finished FC ages ago back when it got released on the PSP but I recall enjoying the last parts of the game. I almost dropped it several times early on but it really picked up around Zeiss.

>>379003505
The only thing wrong with Gu4n is that he likes CS2 too much, but I chalk that up to him putting it on a pedestal because of his tinfoil hat headcanon theories.

>>379003530
No, you'd think it would be, but nope.

>>379003530
It's more of the same shit. Rean couldn't have defeated most of his enemies by the way, even with ogre mode he's still a bit weaker than most of the Enforcers.

>>379001268
But that's the best possible decision.

>>379003505
>Literal translations
I really wish people would learn that translating shit straight out of the dictionary and dumping it in is not good translation.

>>378999818
>>379000616
I don't get it. What's the problem?

>>379003330
Doubt it. There is some hope for late September - October threads, but most likely they will be full of "stop talking about the game I can't play"-like posts.

>>379003676
I really wish that liberalfags would stop pretending that literal translation means a transliteration.

>>379003657
agree. Everyone loves literal translation. They are the best way to play video games and the nobility of the media will tell you the same thing.

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>>379003492
Nayuta is actually Zwei!! 4, so he doesn't count. Cool game though.

>>379003530
First half has less of the holding back stuff, then it gets acutely bad later on.

>>379003540
The Black Orbment activating in Zeiss really is the full-throttle moment.

>>379003707
90% of /v/ is eop. Go talk about cs3 when it comes out on a japanese board dumbfuck

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anyone working on translating this? looks like shit, but I am really fucking curious.

>>379003657

If you're translating business documents, sure, but not entertainment. I don't support borderline rewrites like what NoA or a lot of other shitty localizers do, but there is a happy medium between literal and rewrite.

>>379003740
>Liberal translation
That's equally bad as well.

>>379003752
>Zwei!! 4,
Then what's 3?

>>379003740
Yes, these stupid liberals need to stop translation of their ass meme is not good. Nobody wants Apollo to eat his hamburger.

>>379003707
I will avoid these threads starting from September. Not that interested of getting spoiled. Managed to avoid spoilers with CS1 and 2 already.

>>379003805
>talk about cs3 when it comes out on a japanese board
I will. But I will not suddenly stop posting on /v/ because someone is butthurt.

>>379003904
It's not like CS3 will spoil much beyond some awful plot twists and the poor handling of the cast from other entries.

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>>379003530
The little enjoyment you get from 2 is entirely dependent on callbacks to games 90% of the people here haven't played

>>379003834
That happy medium is being literal. The second you make any rewrites at all you've fucked up.
Literal simply means a faithful translation without needlessly changing shit, the only ones who claim it's unreadable or intrinsically awkward are the same faggots who support needlessly liberal bullshit like Fates.

>>379004040
>Literal simply means a faithful translation without needlessly changing shit
Wrong.

>>379001341
Have you guys found the preferred filter?

So far I prefer the Arcade scanline filter for its clean look, or the the dot matrix-like scanline filter.

It really makes the low ass sprite resolution a lot more tolerable.

>>379004040
There is a difference between a good and accurate translation and a literal translation.

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>>379003853
xseed's localization is pretty darn liberal and it's great. it gives the characters lots of personality.

>>379004040

Literal literally means literal. It's a shit word to describe what you're talking about. What you're talking about is just a good translation.

>>379004152
>>379004098
see
>>379003740

>>379003825
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OysIpKAgv-0

Sad that this thread isn't even about the games anymore

>>379004040
Well, my nobleman friend said. These foolish Secondaries argue that tones, character voices, or flow is important, and it is necessary to accept aseptic translation if its grammatical structure is the best way to handle sentence translation.

>>379004018
Playing CS makes me wish Dieter had had the time to nuke Erebonia.

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>>379003864
Zwei!! 2, of course. Gurumin is the real Zwei!! 2 given the similarities in development goals, game structure, goofiness, and eating consumables to upgrade. They're all tied together in some way, just not story or world (except for "Zwei!! II" taking place in Granvallen like the first game). And Tokyo Xanadu could be called a Zwei!! 5 of sorts.

I guess Nayuta's a Kiseki spinoff, but really it could have just been Nayuta's Travels or some other title. Tokyo Xanadu also isn't a Xanadu game but it uses that branding for prestige (which was a mistake, Kondo admitted in a Dengeki interview).

wtf i hate trails now

>>379004172
>What you're talking about is just a good translation.
Which is incredibly rare these days as the vast majority of translations released are heavily liberal.
I can't think of the last time I saw anything that would quality as "literal" in the old sense. Hell, look at how many people have been saying that Persona 5 is a literal translation just because it's not as liberal as Atlus usually are.

>>379004175
Transliteration is about character translation, not text, you fucking mongoloid. Shut the fuck up about a topic you have literally no knowledge of.

>>379004161
This is the fucked up attitude that made me learn Japanese, its not "fun", its not "good", and its not appropriate for a localization company to change the original work to jerk off their own egos at how cool they think they are. Localization is cancer, translation is acceptable but experiencing a thing in its original language is ultimately the only way to experience a thing with any integrity.

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>>379004276
Shit..you got a point there. I had to look up the date and Gurumin did come out between Zwei 1 and 2. So yeah.

>>379004276
>(which was a mistake, Kondo admitted in a Dengeki interview).
Japan hated it, right?

>>379004161
They don't really try to do their own thing for the most part though, that chest is just an added bonus and has nothing to do with the story for example.

>>379004451
not him. I don't like overly liberal translations, but is changing the treasure chest text really THAT bad?

>>379004451
Yes, tones, voice of letters, flow, these are not all important. The translator only needs to confirm that the text is a literal translation of Japanese text.

>>379004161
Trails' chests are one of the few moments of liberal localisation I can forgive, since there was nothing in the original and you can easily ignore it by just not checking them. It's essentially content added in the localisation rather than content being replaced or poorly translated. But in general I agree with >>379004451

>>379004451
The only people who say shit like this aren't fluent in Japanese.

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>>379004721
How about preserving the former without completely rewriting it, you dipshit?

>zero fan tranlators too depressed to continue after the leak
>xseed on its deathbed due to retarded business decisions
>nisa will die after ys 8 flops
>falcom will go bankrupt after sen 3
it really is over this time, friends

>>379004787
So, a liberal translation?

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>>379004964
Let's just cut to the end of this conversation.

Based on the info so far from Sen 3, what does everyone here want/look forward to?
Want:
>Two stories from different perspectives, Rean side & Student side
>an unfucked Orbment system
>Joshua, Renne, and Sharon & Kevin, Barkhorn, and Wazy having awesome moments
>An expanded Divine Knight battle system with partner divine knights/panzers soldats
>An end to the harem bullshit

Looking forward to
>Seeing the REAL Class VII be better than nu-Class VII
>Seeing old characters come back
>Possibly finding out exactly what Osbourne wants.

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>>379004529
I'm partly joking when comparing the games this way, but it's definitely a pattern.

Get hype for Zwei: The Ilvard Insurrection

>>379004680
Tokyo Xanadu got good review scores, but I don't know about reception from Japanese Falcom fans. They knew ahead of time how the game's largely recycling tropes and assets from Sen (II), and the eX+ version makes it much more fun to play because of a new difficulty mode, but it's largely a Persona-lite in more ways than Sen. Also, Falcom looks at comments from Taiwanese and South Korean players more often these days, and I have no clue where to look for online fanbases in those countries.

As long as Toxanadu hoards the worst, most overly pandering tropes popular in Japan right now, Falcom can get Kiseki back into fighting form just like they've done (for the most part) with Ys VIII.

>>379005015
The fuck? You're sitting here posting about how all translations should be completely literal, then you post an image that supports liberal translations.

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>Zero fan TL that's rough around the edges comes out
>Everyone finds it in themselves to bitch about something even so

I guess there's just not escaping from bullshit.

A reminder that literal translations like Persona 5's and localizations like FE if's are equally bad and XSEED's translations, while having their problems, are actually decent.

>>379005053
>the REAL Class VII be better than nu-Class VII
The game will try to hype the old class, then you'll remember over half of them have no actual personality

>>379005218
Which is why I am more excited to see old characters come back.

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>>379005116
>Image is very specifically decrying liberal translations and shitting all over Fates as a specific example, while talking about the importance of never changing anything unless absolutely necessary to preserve the meaning of what is being said
>This is somehow in support of liberal translations

>>379004787

That guy speaks the truth. I've technically been a pro translator for a few years now, and I'm just a self-taught guy who did fan translations in his spare time who got noticed. The same can be said for several other pro translators I know. I don't understand everything I instantly all the time, I've got to Google, ask other translators, sometimes ask natives. That's just how it is. Not that there aren't many, many translators with far more skill, I won't compare myself to someone like Alexander O Smith, but even isn't what people imagine, I expect.

>>379005098
>that picture
holy shit this is some cringe. I can only imagine the artist mumbling to himself "Heh dis is gonna rook so kewl like amerikan"

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What should we argue about next?

>>379005053
>Seeing the REAL Class VII be better than nu-Class VII
Thats an herculean task since THE REAL class vii is terrible

>>379005297
Rixia is best girl.

>>379005259
Falcom's writing as of now is crap and most likely will shit on the characters by adding them for pandering, except Randy because he's probably dealing with Randy-lite and Shirley and that's really hard to fuck up.

>>379005389
That's a weird way to spell Sharon.

>>379005273
>>Image is very specifically decrying liberal translations
Wrong, it directly supports liberal translations; specifically, the highlighted areas.
>shitting all over Fates
Because Fates isn't a liberal translation; it's a straight-up rewrite.
>while talking about the importance of never changing anything
Wrong. Read your own image.

I'm guessing you're the guy that thought literal translations meant "transliteration" which is something completely unrelated, and who doesn't know anything about translation. A literal translation means something that's essentially a machine translation with the errors removed.

>>379005447
Wanna fight faggot

>>379005486
>the highlighted areas.
You mean the parts specifically decrying liberal translations? Are you brain damaged?
>Because Fates isn't a liberal translation; it's a straight-up rewrite.
They're one and the same.
>Read your own image.
You first.
>A literal translation means something that's essentially a machine translation with the errors removed.
That's fucking retarded and wrong, and so are you.

>>379005576
Name your fight bitch

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Why the fuck are people shitting on translations now? Xseed did a nice job on these. Hell they even translated ??? (<has no idea what's going on) pretty much the same even though they could have gone with something like "i'm so confused" internal thought or some shit.

>>379005727
Fight me in blade bitch, your waifus dignity + 50 mira on the line.

>>379005829
Huh, I never realised that was from the original moonrunes, I thought xseed were trying to be cute with that

>>379005486
>>379005616

That guy was just saying that translators should take liberties only when needed, because literally translating loses some things in translation. I understand this perfectly as I'm the same type of translator.

>>379005616
>You mean the parts specifically decrying liberal translations?
That's not what those parts are doing. Do you know what liberal translation means?
>They're one and the same
Yes, the Planck Temperature and the boiling point are both the same thing because both are hot.
>You first.
Unlike you I actually read it, and what he describes - that is, taking apart the original text, and reconstructing it as if it were originally written in a different language, changing things like names and puns to fit this - is a direct description of literal translation.
>That's fucking retarded
Yes, it is, unless you're translating something like legal text or the back of a shampoo bottle.
>and wrong
No.
>>379005829
It's because people kneejerk reacted to SJWs censoring games by going on a crusade against anyone who does anything other than clean up Google Translated scripts.

>>379005829
If you read the posts you'd see that the worst thing anyone has said about XSEED is that they didn't like them making up the chest dialogues.

>>379005935
Exactly, that's the point I've been making. But somehow this guy thinks that he's supporting literal translations, when he's doing the opposite, simply because he shits on Fates in that image (which he did because Fates was censored and scenes were changed to something completely different from the original, not liberally translated).

>>379005829

Oh that was actually in the Nip version. I figured the localizers added it.

>>379005852
You're on, standard Blade I assume?

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>>379005943
>Not wanting blatant rewrites means you want Google Translate

>>379005829
It's one guy who is autistically mad about Fates and that broke his mind so now anything that isn't a 1:1 Google Translate-tier localization is bad to him.

>>379005119
that's because the anons who are shitposting aren't playing zero right now
and the other anons who could have been posting aren't because they're too busy enjoying zero
this is a good sign because it means the latter are enjoying it

>>379006102
No, saying "all liberal translation is bad" is saying you want Google Translate.
Oh sorry, let me rephrase that in a way that you prefer:
No, "Liberal translation is all bad" means that you need Google Translate.

>>379006138

Sounds like Dragon Quest fans who get triggered over any and all accents in games no matter how well done.

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>>379006058
The only issue here is you portraying literal translations as unreadable nonsense and liberal translations as the peak of quality, when what actually happens is literal translations are made to be as faithfully expressed as possible and liberal translations are made as Commie-tier bullshit like pic related.

>>379006289
>what actually happens is literal translations are made to be as faithfully expressed as possible
Literal translations aren't faithful
>liberal translations are made as Commie-tier bullshit like pic related.
>Absolute Zero and the freezing point are the same temperature!

>>379006083
Yeah mate, prepare to meet your doom.

>>379006289
The only problem here is that the literal translation is depicted as an unreadable nonsense and liberal translation as a peak in quality. What actually happens is that literal translation is expressed faithfully as much as possible, liberal translation is a fake photo-related thing.

>>379006390
>Literal translations aren't faithful
Being faithful is the entire point.
>Absolute Zero and the freezing point are the same temperature!
>I'm going to keep repeating myself and hope it makes a valid argument this time

With a literal translation you will either end up with a faithful and well-reading translation or an accurate and awkward-reading translation. With a liberal translation you will end up anywhere between Trails in the Sky and Phoenix Wright.

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So I just finish the prologue in Zero. Its kinda sad that the cast has more interactions with each other and npcs than most of the cold steel already.

>>379006536
>Being faithful is the entire point.
Then you don't want a literal translation.
>With a literal translation you will either end up with a faithful and well-reading translation
That' won't happen with a literal translation, unless you're translation something non-literary.

>>379006589
is randy a sex maniac? he'd get along with olivert

>>379006536
Let me ask you this: Are you a translator? If not, do you know of a single translator who supports your argument? Because literally everyone I've ever seen who does literary translations for money says that literal translations are terrible for literary works

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>>379006595
But I do want a literal translation, because being faithful is the point of a literal translation. As such, since I want a faithful translation, I would want to get a literal translation, as it would be faithful, since that's the point.
How much clearer can this possibly be made?

I read that Randy is getting bald in CS3. Is this true?

>>379006701
>But I do want a literal translation, because being faithful is the point of a literal translation.
Wrong.

>>379006701
But I want a literal translation. Since faithfulness is the point of literal translation. As such, I want to translate faithfully, so it is a point, so I want to translate literally as faithful.
How can you clarify this?

>>379006745
No?

>>379006669
Literally everyone I've seen who condemns literal translations is some overly-liberal dipshit like herkz, Andrew Dice, or John Ricciardi. No shit they're going to bash the style of translation that they're as far away from as possible.

>>379006862
So then you should be able to provide me with a lot of translators who do things literally then, why don't you go ahead and do that? You have yet to name a single one. Well, besides Zeromonkey, but his translation ended up shit so it doesn't really support your argument, unless you're going to argue that the shit Zero patch is good.

>>379006589
It helps that the cast of Zero is mainly the 4 of them, so they can give them good characterization much more easily. There are other playable ones later, but mostly it's the 4 of them.