You don't own your Steam games

zobapo

>>378924164
bazongo

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I've never purchased anything from steam

>>378924164
you don't own ANY of your games, physical or digital

>>378924164
but i do own my Steam games, sheldron

>>378924164
bodongo

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you don't own your internet on consoles

BLESZINSKI

Nope. YOU don't, because you're a penniless communist.

Everything you own can and will be taken from you one day

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>>378927372
Don't think so

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we own you

>>378927510
Give one (1) reason how this is any different to owning a license to play a game on a disk instead of a hard drive

That's fine, I only pay for multiplayer games anyway, everything else I just torrent

>>378927593
It's not but you still dont own it.

>>378927593
if you back up your shit and registry entries it wont be a problem really

>>378927556

Bogzanga

>>378927506
>he says this as if it is some mind blowing revelation
I hate you pretentious nihilist fucks so much.

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>download all of my games onto a hard drive and a backup drive
>set steam to offline mode
What'cha gonna do Gaben? Don't test me again.

>>378927689
What effective difference does it make?

>>378924164
Yeah, but I don't really own my console games either. DRM free PC games are the best we've got, and even then....

Information is not ownable. You can only control access to the information. Since all games are piratable, it doesn't matter if I don't actually own my Steam games because if Valve decides to Jew me I can just pull a copy off TPB.

>>378927689
You never own any entertainment you buy, you just buy a license to legally use it.

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I own all my pirated games though

Well, if the fact that I don't own them ever fucks me over, I'll just pirate them.

I don't see the problem really.

>>378927593
Lets see

Disk:
>not tied to one account
>can still be played even if account is banned or hacked
>can resell it
>can trade or lend it to others

>>378927510
That's exactly the same with all software, even on a disk. All you actually own is the disk. If you owned the software, you could distribute it freely.

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>>378928045
not legally you can't

>"hey penny wanna play some games"
>"no"
>"BAZLOOPIE"

every piece of software you buy since software was invented is merely a license to use it.

>>378928061
You can't own software. Even the rightsholder doesn't own it, they have the right to reproduce it.

>>378928119
Wrong, right of first sale.

>>378927815
"game cannot be launched. Please login to Steam"

For all intents and purposes the license I was given by steam is the exact same as owning it to me. if they ever take my license away, they will either be doing it because I have done something to warrant it, or they are doing it because they are corrupt. In either case, they could just ban me from steam to get the same effect, making the point of taking away individual games kind of stupid.


Plus I'd just pirate all the games I had legally bought. They're not coming out ahead.

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>>378928168
>right of first sale
next comes Sovereign Citizen right?

>>378928268

I was in a place without internet for 6 months and that never happened to me, GTA V refused to launch because for some shit reason it will stop working after 15 days of last online, you can bypass it by changing the date, but the game launches just fine, it's the Rockstar Launcher that won't let you through.

>>378927345
bazinga!

>>378928307
>I'd just pirate all the games I had legally bought
why not pirate them in the first place

>>378928432
Sovereign citizens are retarded fags who think that an individual can be a state, first-sale doctrine is an established right.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

I mean, it doesn't matter, because copyright is meaningless at this point anyway, but back when shit came on physical media you WERE allowed to redistribute your copy.

>>378928562
To support developers you enjoy. Because I'm not an entitled child.

>>378928562
not him, but honestly convience
when you have a game on sale with steam for like 5$ its way easier to just buy it, have it download quick and then be able to play with friends online or not have to worry about cracking it or mounting it.
im lazy so id rather spend a 1/3rd of an hours pay vs pirating it

>>378927345
this is correct
if the difference between a license and full ownership was significant enough to survive in court, the owner of a game could have you surrender your disk as well

for all intents and purposes, you're never going to court over video games, so why bother caring about ownership rights? just pirate the game if they ban you from using it.

>>378928594
>only limits the distribution rights of copyright holders

>>378928562
Don't you want to be paid for your work too? Or should your employer be allowed to just not pay you?

>>378928562
I generally like to support the developers for games I enjoy. My library is mostly full of indie games and multiplayer games, along with a ton of humble bundle games.

I'd like for developers to know that I'm enjoying their content and they should make more of it. I'm not against pirating though. If you you can't afford or don't want to pay for games for any reason, go ahead. I mostly pirate shit to use as a demo reel before I buy the game.

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>>378928781
Okay, so there isn't a right.
I'll just send my friend a magnet link instead.

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>>378928594

>>378928823
Non-argument, no contractual obligation exists between me and the developer until I buy his game.
Paying for games is charity.

>>378928980
>paying for this computer is charity
>paying for this car is charity
>paying for this bread is charity
You sound like a retard.

>>378928689
>>378928720
>>378928823
>>378928902
i do buy but only on sale but if i was going to pirate it eventually i would just do it honestly

>>378929140
See >>378927848, you can't own information. Even the copyright holder literally just has that, the legal right to make a copy.

If I could make a one for one copy of any car or any computer, then yes, paying for one would be charity.

>>378928980
literally this is why everyone has the right to shit on pc "gamers"

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>>378929260
Why? I probably pirate more console games than I do computer games. Have you tried getting ahold of a legit copy of Radiant Dawn?

>>378929242
By playing a game you are consuming a product, same as if it was a car or a computer. People worked to put together the game regardless of how many copies can be made, and you're taking it without putting in any work whatsoever. Just because pirating games is easy, that doesn't make it right. But if you're ok with acting immorally, then I suppose there's really nothing I can say to you.

>>378929330
tfw some faggot opened up a retro game shop in my town and drove up the prices by an insane amount

>>378929428
The labor theory of value is total bullshit. People spent a lot of time on No Man's Sky and yet we can probably both agree that it's not worth a single cent.

I do, in fact, pay for games, because there are some games that I really like and I know that the money goes more or less directly to the developer. However it should be viewed as what it actually is: A donation made in appreciation for the game or in the hope of getting more of the same.

>>378929428
Actually you're the one acting immorally here. Anything that can be shared freely must be shared freely. If withhold data for monetary gain or support others who do then you're a bad person.

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>>378929678
Stallman go, there's no moral imperative to share information any more than there's a moral imperative to control access to it.
The bare fact is that all information can and in fact does end up being shared.

>>378929621
I agree about No Man's Sky, but my argument is that if a game is that bad that the developers wont be paid, then why do you want to play the game at all? I wouldn't steal a shitty car any more than a brand new sports model. Just because it's worth next to nothing, doesn't mean it's suddenly ok to steal it. With anything else in the world you would simply not consume the product, but for games it's suddenly ok. Do you not see the hypocrisy?

>>378929678
>anything that can be shared freely
Developing the game wasn't free. Your argument doesn't work.
You could also freely give away any other product, but you'd go bankrupt extremely quickly that way.

The jew in this thread is strong.

>>378930062
bad goy

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>>378929849
>>378929948
Thing is you're making an analogy to physical things when games (and all media) are a different class of object.

Every car requires more metal, more labor, more plastic and more gas to get made. Every new computer chip has to be fabricated in a plant and then soldered to the board that it'll eventually go on. There's a cost inherent in producing a new copy. There is no cost, aside from maybe the tiny one associated with electricity and bandwidth, involved in making a copy of a video game, a movie, or a book.

If you pay for digital media, you are making a donation. If you pay for a physical object, you are paying for the cost of the materials and labor necessary to bring that object to you, plus profit.

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>>378929260
i know right!!! us console gamers are proud buyers of video games!

>>378930242
>the cost of...labor necessary
You just destroyed your own argument. Do you think developing games requires no labour?
Plus any server costs, costs for the equipment like computers and software needed to program, render, model etc. There are certainly costs to producing digital media, which means that by your own admission, they should charge for its consumption.

>>378930306
what the fuck are those

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>>378930492
Anon, don't play games with me. You know as well as I do that games require labor and other costs exactly one time, i.e. when you're actually developing the game.
Once the game is made, it's made. No extra labor or material is required to produce a second copy.

>>378930492
And all that cost to give you a temporary service rather than a permanent good.

>>378930543
The result of people stealing from redbox machines

>>378930492
there's virtually no cost for making more of them once the development cycle is finished

>>378930720

Besides server costs, disks and shipping?

>>378930627
And by pirating the game, you're not giving anything for the hours of labour that went into the game. You seem very focused on reproduction costs, but if you can't charge for the game on those grounds, how do the people who made the game get reimbursed for their work?
We could argue about how much a game should cost and I might agree they are too expensive, but it must be above zero or else there is no incentive to make the games in the first place, since you would always be making a net loss.

>>378927746
can I get a quick rundownga

>>378930662
Every good is temporary. Things break down, wear out, or are consumed (e.g. food). Should you not pay for those?
>>378930720
see
>>378930814

>>378928759
>just pirate
This

The only cucks are the ones who pay for video games

>All these Br monkeys trying to justify stealing

>>378930814
And so we go back to the labor theory of value. What are you, a fucking commie? Reproduction costs are the reason that things cost money. There is no reason to pay for labor unless that labor produces something useful. There's even less reason to pay for labor when no labor is even actually fucking happening.

Remember that I do in fact pay for games. I'm just urging you to view the payment for what it is, a donation rather than a transaction.

>>378929330

this

>love collecting for PS1 and Saturn
>damn near every game worth owning that isn't Crash Bandicoot or Astal is 50 or more

Yeaaaaaah fuck it. Its why I emulate now. I would rather buy food, have gas in the car, or save for retirement.

>>378924164
You dont own your internet

>>378930923

And as a result, developers only make games that we "cucks" like, because that's where the money is.

>>378931051
I would argue games are useful. Stress relief or socializing, for example. If you think labour isn't worthy of payment in and of itself then again I ask why your employer should pay you anything. If a person spends their limited time to work on something for the benefit of others, that person should be reimbursed. Are you a slimy capitalist?

Maybe this is an uncommon opinion but I believe people are more important than money.

>>378931309
>If you think labour isn't worthy of payment in and of itself then again I ask why your employer should pay you anything
Because I supply labor, which meets his demand for laborers. My labor is worth money to him because he needs someone to do my job, not because he places a moral value on my work or my survival.
>Are you a slimy capitalist?
National socialist, which is why I'm arguing this viewpoint.

If you view digital media as a good to be bought and sold, then the immediate and inescapable conclusion is that the supply/demand system is totally fucked. There's infinite supply for a naturally finite demand. Therefore the good is worth nothing because it's abundant, it's literally everywhere. If you view paying for games as patronizing an >artist whose work you enjoy, then it's both morally more desirable to pay for it and financially more reasonable.

>>378931739
If you're only going to pay for games you enjoy, then why even pirate the ones you don't? I wouldn't want something for free if I wasn't going to enjoy it.
And while there is an effectively infinite supply of some game specifically, this is not true of games in general. At some point you'll run out of new games to play. Paying for them ensures the business of making them remains profitable enough that they will continue being created.
I don't get the feeling relying on donations would be effective, based on what I've seen with artists who draw for a living.

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>buy game
>spend a handful of hours installing it
>finally get launcher open
>launcher needs me to install the game again for whatever fucking reason
>having the launcher open counts towards Steam play time, so I go past the refund time limit before I even try the fucking game

you are financing pirated software if you buy videogames

>>378932205
The only game I've ever played that did this was Planetside 2. And that's free to play.

>>378932205
Then your argument should be about refund policies, not stealing games.

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>>378928061

Are you people fucking retarded. The point is that when Steam disappears so will your games. My physical games will never disappear unless someone steals them or my fucking house burns down.

Retarded children, I swear.

>>378932427
>data degradation doesn't exist

>>378932580

All of my NES and Atari games still work. You done, child?

>>378932427
>The point is that when Steam disappears so will your games.
Steam doesn't even have to disappear. Getting your account suspended is enough.

>>378932828
Then don't break the rules, idiot. It's not like they're going to start randomly suspending people for no reason, it'd be terrible for business. You piratefags are worse than conspiracy theorists.

>>378928268
All my games can be played when in offline mode

checkmate atheists

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You really don't.

I went to Austria last month for the birth of my child. While there, my wife bought me a new phone. The important part is that I use MetroPCS which forces an activation fee for new phones even with the same sim card. So I was out a phone for a day when I came back to the states. Unfortunately I used steam mobile authenticate to login to steam. But since I couldn't get an SMS for my number I had to contact steam support while waiting for the next day to activate my phone. So for a period of 24 hours I could not access my 200+ games.

It's true but I was never bothered with it until now.

>>378933047
The criticism here should be the authentication being fucking retarded, not "well, better go pirate all my games"

>>378924164
Not buying your games from GOG

>>378927345
>what is FOSS

>>378932580

I have a hell of a lot more faith in a physical game holding up than I do a company's integrity or continued existence. I have games that I've owned since the NES was new, and the only one in my library that don't work are ones that I took apart when I convinced myself that I was an electrical engineer as a preteen.

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>>378933119
I didn't mention pirating at all, so don't accuse me of it just because it was of someone elses topic. I was just trying to say that I never had an issue with it at all until now just because I ran into the issue. There's nothing you can really do sadly.

>>378924164
Was there ever a more forced meme in the history of humanity than bazinga? Even reddit didn't fall for it.

>>378933168
Free / Open Source has fuck all to do with licensing. You can't grab a copy of Linux and start selling it.

>>378933443
The only people I know who even like the show are godamn morons.

>>378933443
Millhouse obviously.

>>378933490
Millhouse is not a meme and never will be.

Bonguinga!

I don't buy games to own them but to support developers, so who cares? I could pirate them all if I wanted

>>378932427
>tfw physical copy of all three quake games

>>378924164
I never really got this argument.

Sure, Steam might die one day... but I think my steam library is going to outlast a pile of discs lying around that are going to get damaged or lost. Not to mention, the majority of people who whine about this are console kids, who's games become unplayable within the decade because their console dies or is sold.

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Heh nice try OP, I dont play weebshit, visual novels, or shit western AAAs, I barely use steam cause its ass gui. I use GOG I win.

>>378929330
>Have you tried getting ahold of a legit copy of Radiant Dawn?
I bought one when it first came out. Still have it. Don't care if you pirate it though cause I know Nintendo is a nigger about reprints of certain games.

>>378931280
I don't understand what you're saying. Are you implying that people who pay for games have different tastes in games than people who pirate?

>>378933620
Ps1 and 2 still work as new.

>>378932906

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121022/07340420786/amazon-wipes-customers-account-locks-all-ebooks-says-find-new-retailer-when-she-asks-why.shtml

Companies sometimes do things that are terrible for their business. Like trying to charge people for mods. Just because they're not doing something now doesn't mean that they won't do it in the future. If you've been into video games for a while, you'd know that it isn't uncommon for idiots to take control of companies and run them into the ground. By agreeing to Valve's authentication system, you're agreeing to an on-going relationship with the company, regardless of how they do business in the future. With physical games, you can severe your relationship with a company at any time, and keep what you have.

>>378933736
>techdirt, a second rate ad blog, citing this page
https://www.bekkelund.net/2012/10/22/outlawed-by-amazon-drm/
>no last names no proof no followup

dumb anon

>>378933732
That's great, enjoy hanging onto your clutter for 20 years, and either having the hassle of taking it out and plugging it all in, or having 30 consoles connected permanently.

I'll be enjoying all my games from any computer, anywhere, without packratting a pile of junk.

>>378933687

I'm saying that pirates have no positive influence on what games get made, so you are at the mercy of the tastes of those who do pay for them. The "cucks" that buy games have all the control in the whole situation.

Yes I do.

>>378924164
no mummy

>>378933992

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Kindle#Criticism

bananas

>>378927345
So if a nigger breaks into my home and steals my games, I can't report him to the police, because they weren't my games?

baznoga

>>378934509
Which cites
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/10/23/why-did-amazon-close-a-womans-account-and-delete-all-her-kindle-books/
Which cites
https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/11vz4g/amazon_closes_womans_account_and_wipes_her_kindle/?st=j3gyepqr&sh=71369f2f

LITERALLY CITING A REDDIT COMMENT
IN A THREAD THAT CITES
https://www.bekkelund.net/2012/10/22/outlawed-by-amazon-drm/

WHERE WE STARTED.

Dumb anon your teachers warned you not to cite wikipedia and yet you didn't listen and now you're here wasting your life arguing with strangers over shit that doesn't matter in a bait thread. I wish I could shake you and tell you to get a fucking grip but I'd only be grappling the futility of trying live in a world that embraces being a retard.

>>378934817

> now you're here wasting your life arguing with strangers over shit that doesn't matter in a bait thread.

Do you have no self-awareness?

>>378934580
if a nigger breaks into your house he should shoot you in the face and save the world from your stupidity

>>378924164
You don't own anyhing.

>>378927510
YOU MEAN I CAN"T MAKE FALLOUT 5 BECAUSE I BOUGHT THE PREVIOUS ONES? BULLSHIT

>>378931739
>national socialist

Grow up

>>378924164
MAZIONGA

>>378938405
lmao

>>378938405
haha got him top kek XD don't mess with the deplorable magapedes.

>>378932427
>when Steam disappears
;-)