OP here from previous thread about getting a Gaming computer.

sys reqs are worthless, they are over inflated to sell products.

get an i7 if you live near a microcenter or find a good deal, otherwise i5 will serve you well.

People will say yes but the real answer is no. Just get an i5 like the 6600K

It's not necessary. A decent i5 can run most games well enough.

>>378914909
It's not absolutely necessary, but getting one could make your rig more futureproof for CPU intensive games. I personally always recommend getting as good CPU as you can afford just because switching it to a new one later is usually a massive pain because you have to exchange mobo, perhaps even RAM to do it.

>>378915206

Also another question, regarding heat sink fans, is the loudness significant? I don't plan on overclocking since this will be my first computer i build

>>378914909
Generally i5 is enough, though there are many games that benefit greatly from specific i7's even better.

If you don't play those games, you wont have much of a problem, it's just if/when you do play them, you'll wish you had one of those specific i7's.

Specifically what you'd want would be a 7700k a 6700k or a 4790k.

Other i7's aren't worth having over an i5.

>>378915718

Do you know the general cost difference?

I have an i5 4690K and nothing has bothered it yet.

You don't have to get an i7.

>>378915417
Hyper 212 EVO. Sound is fine, performance is fine and price is great.

>>378915417

Depends totally on the fan you get but if you're not overclocking, don't bother with an aftermarket one. Just use the stock cooler.

I still have a good i5 and can run everything at ultra, including GTAV etc. No game has come out recently I can't run.

However, I'd go with an i7 if you can afford it because it'll probably "last" longer, depending on how much more intense future games become. Or wait for the new i9's.

>>378916252
about a $100 difference.

>>378914909
Buying a 4 core chip in 2017 is a mistake. Look at getting a Ryzen 5 1600 and spending the rest of your budget on getting a better GPU like a GTX 1080 ti. What's your budget by the way?

>>378915206
This. i5 is fine for now 99% of time, but because replacing processors is absolute shitshow, it really doesn't hurt to have some extra power just in case. Who knows, the difference between i5 and i7 could possibly buy you 1-2 years of extra longevity.

>>378916724
1.3k

Is AMD actually a worthwhile decision these days? It looks like Ryzen is pretty nice with the extra multithreading capabilities over intel at a comparable price.

>>378916724
I disagree. Gaming still isn't going the multi-core route and still relies heavily on IPC, which Ryzen is still behind in.

Ryzen is okay if you want to stream, but it will be worse general performance otherwise because of it's lower IPC.

ryzen cpus are a better choice, the get the same game performance (literally optimisation issues see tr) are cheaper have more cores and are better at every non gaming thing

>>378916386
212 is such an old cooler, theres better choices these days

>>378914909
First of all, "i5" and "i7" are way too general, you need to include the specific CPU.

Which CPU you get you get depends on how much you like futureproofing and recording/streaming gameplay footage vs. what your budget is. As far as I know, no game REQUIRES the newest i7 CPU, generally games place a heavier load on your GPU.

>>378914909
M8 we already had a thread for this on the catalog, next time just join in that one instead of wasting space
>>378913675
>>378913675
>>378913675

>>378916865
Here's an example. The processor comes with a decent cooler, although you can get an aftermarket one if you want. I'd also suggest an SSD but if this is for gaming, SSDs aren't affordable in large capacities yet.

>>378917080
AMD Ryzen is comparable to Haswell ipc. It's just very ram speed dependent. Overclock ram and shit's fast.

>>378917228
The performance difference isn't by very much in pre-2016 games. Post-2016 games generally show favor to more cores. Maybe for a retro box I'd recommend an i5.

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>>378918135
forgot the pic

>>378918242
>combining nvidia and amd
getting a bad feeling about this, except I have nothing to back it up with

>>378917553
>As far as I know, no game REQUIRES the newest i7 CPU

https://www.vg247.com/2016/12/08/vr-shooter-arizona-sunshine-locks-some-features-to-i7-cpus-flips-the-switch-following-outcry/

>>378918520
AMDshill here and I'm the poster of that example.png. I have to respect nvidia's 10XX series performance. RX 570 and 580 are a joke and aren't even available (at reasonable pricing) due to memecoin miners buying them out. Also, I wouldn't dare tell OP to wait for Vega™.

>>378918520
Should be fine.

>>378918578
>Literally paid shilling
>Works fine on any other CPU
>Removed the shilling within days
And that's made by a literal who, if a AAA company did it it'd be an even faster shitshow

Do you want to be a pleb or be part of the master race
You may as well get a console if you are even thinking of an i5 since clearly you don't want the optimal experience

>>378919108
>you don't want the optimal experience
Do you have benchmarks to back that up or is this a blog?

>>378919297
>buy objectively inferior parts
>i-its optimal, r-really
Poorfag pleb btfo

>>378918947
Tell me about it, I am ok with my msi RX 480 8gb, but I feel like nvidia would have been better, but my computer would have gone to $2000 instead of my $1200-1300.

If nvidia didn't fucking cost a fortune I might go with them.

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>>378919670
Inferior to what? You didn't specify anything.

I'm shilling a ryzen 1600 for good price to performance. It gets btfo by more expensive chips but generally with diminishing returns (and cores).

If you've got the name and price of whatever you're selling, please post it.

benchmark source: https://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2017/05/11/amd-ryzen-5-1600-review/5

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>>378920564
Normally I'd say just crossfire in that case but just look at this newegg result. I'd sell the 480 to a memecoiner and buy a 1070.

>>378921061
If I am lucky, black friday I could get a cheap 1080. Then the weakest part I would have is the i5 6600k 3.5ghz

>>378921216
I'm hoping VEGA is out by then, but you know how that goes. Also, why not overclock your 6600k? They aren't the housefires that the 7600k/7700ks are. Also look into overclocking your ram, apparently that makes intel chips faster now too.

>>378921359
I tried and kept crashing, don't exactly know how to overclock it with my 32gb ram.

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>>378921509
>>378921359

>>378918242
ram too expensive theres a lot cheaper options than that, your paying for the name for those not the performance

1080ti is over kill, hella expensive and heartbreaking option since vega might come out better or jewvidia will release a higher one next year
better just get a low range 1060 then buy a new card a year or 2 down the line, will save you a lot of heartache and buyers remorse over the 1080ti

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>>378921748
For your CPU, It's probably your voltage. I'd look a few overclocking videos on youtube.

For your ram, if you're using the XMP profile, you may need to use a manual overclock for something faster. A 2400mhz kit may be able to reach 3000mhz. Lots of good vids on youtube. Just set aside some time.

>>378921748
are you getting poor game performance with that setup?

>>378922330
You're probably right, however for Ryzen, it's very temperamental about the make of the ram. Samsung B die chip performs better than others like hynix. G-skill only uses samsung b die.

The latest Agesa bios update seems to have fixed this but I haven't heard very much about hynix, micron, etc compatibility since. Those bios aren't even public outside beta releases.

It's not necessary, but considering where Ryzen is trying to push the gayming market, it'd be recommended, especially if you have the budget available.
Just get Ryzen 5 1600, 16GB ram, a GTX 1070, and live out the next 3-4 years, and then buy something mid-high-end at the end of the AM4 lifespan :^)

>>378922527
high to ultra on almost every game with 60fps-250fps at 1080p. Can do DOOM in 4k but don't have a 4k monitor so that means nothing.

Having overheating problems when playing Batman Arkham Knight/ Saints Row 4/ and Red Faction Guerrilla though.

I'm running the i5 7600k which is fantastic for the performance/price for games today, but some say that more and more games are utilizing more cores so it might not be as future proof as say an i7. But if you're not going to be doing a lot of rendering shit then you'll be happy with an i5 and maybe overclock it if need be.

>>378921748
how does it feel with just 16GB, would you know how much of a difference cutting the memory in half makes?
That's pretty close to what I've got in mind, other than 390X instead of 480, and Asus Z170-P instead of Asus Z170-E

Buy PS4 faggot

>actually good exclusives unlike on PC
>great multiplat support
>great indie support
>great jap support
>cheaper option than gaming PC
>you don't get glorified steam code when you buy physical copy

>>378924480
sure

>>378924183
I can't tell ya, I do know it makes web surfing fucking fast if xfinity doesn't fuck me over. Game wise I can't really tell, the games do work better when they are the first things I do when turning on the machine..

>>378914909
Rate this build, boys.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/MacTheMiracleMan/saved/NdQsYJ

It should outperform a PS4 for around the same price I think.

if you buy an Intel CPU right now you're fucking yourself over big time.
Either buy Ryzen or wait for the next series of Intel.
All current i5s are basically on their deathbeds, 6 cores is becoming the norm.

>>378924734
If you don't pay more, you might as well get PS4. No point to have those cheap builds.

>>378924734
That looks pretty comfy]/spoiler

>>378924734
>dual core cpu
>gtx 1050 ti , 2.1 tflop edition

Nah. That won't even outperform a ps3. I'll play some mean solitaire though.

How's this build?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mdRrsJ

Should I get 16gb or 32gb?

I wanna do VR and some light video editing/3d rendering

I'm not one of those "go to this board" fags but there is a pretty good thread specifically for questions like this on /g/
I can understand why you wouldn't want to go to /g/ though

>>378924824
>bought 6600k for $180
>bought Gigabyte Z170X Gaming 5 for $120
I get what you're talking about, but if you find them on sale they're pretty good. Got mine running at a stable 4.7GHz @ 1.265v, and never seen it go over 70C

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>6600k
corelets, when will they learn?

>>378925037
decent midrange build. I would go amd on the cpu, just because they perform so much better outside of games, but if you do plan on sticking with intel, consider getting the newer version of the 6500, the 7500. It costs the same and performs slightly better

>>378925290
if you can get em cheap sure there's nothing wrong with them.
I upgraded from my 3570k to the 1600 recently because the 6600k was about the same price, similar performance in games but was using all of its cores to keep up with the 1600.
The 1600 will scale better with time, especially since Intel is going down the MOAR COREZ road with their X-series.

>>378925093
16gb should be fine unless you're thinking of doing 4k.

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>>378925883
>resolution
>dependent on system RAM

>>378926030
4k for rendering. c'mon man.

How much performance can I get by spending only $400? This doesn't include peripherals.

>>378926059
I've been a console pleb up until 2009. I can't into FPS and don't like mobas. I just like building rigs for rendering animations and high refresh rates on multiplat titles.

>>378914909
if you have the money then get the i7. 6700k preferably so you dont have to windows 10

>>378914909
I7s for only gaming?
No.
You can afford it and wont affect your budget?
Yes.

Spend more money in your IGPU, rarely any game maxes the CPU.

>>378920564
its not that nvidia is expensive, its that their ceiling is the $250 range and doesnt compete with anything over a 1060. a 1070 is still the best performance/price right now though

>>378926246
You can run windows 7 on ryzen. I'll post a result in a few moments.

>>378914909
Ryzen 1600 + b350 motherboard is a much better choice

My 3570k runs 90-100% usage in most recent games, if you are on 60hz they are fine but I'm 120hz and it bottlenecks my 1070

Even the next i5s are going to be 4c/8thread, bad to buy a 4c/4thread when the market is finally changing

>>378924734
Its fine, likely will outdo or be on the same level as a penis4.
>>378924858
>>378924982
DUR HUR GOBBA SPEND THOUSANDS FOR LE PC GAYMIN U CASUL!!!

Fuck off to plebbit.

>>378921061
shit can i do that? have an rx 480, but might have to go nvidia for vr, etc.

While running Forza Horizon 3, my CPU temp will generally average at about 53C but will for a split second spike to 67C then go down to 46C before returning to 53C, the way I have my CPU cooler on it's possible that there might be a part of the CPU where I accidentally rubbed off some thermal paste. Does that situation sound like the thermal paste wasn't evenly distributed? I'd rather not check of I don't have to because the pump is a bitch to put back on.

>>378924884
What does that mean

>>378914909

I have i5 4670 or 4690 i forget

works fine with everything

>>378926620
If you have Kaby lake or any recent Intel cpu they have shit soldering that makes temps spike

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I've had this CPU for YEARS and it still does just fine.

>>378926881
Ah that explains it, I got an Intel i7 7700. Thanks anon.

>>378926919
Should mention I overclocked it to 4.1 or 4.2 GHz.

PC gaming is just a bad meme joke

Get a console and enjoy games without the bullshit, senpai

>>378917080
>>378918135

ryzen is good.

>>378918242

why the 1080ti when you can get a used r9 fury for like 200? lmfao

or better yet rx 480 / 1060

>>378924982

you're a retard

most games are single threaded.

>>378914909
Don't go for an i5, it's dead now with ryzen out. If you really want to get juice every frame get a 7700k, if not get a 1600/1600x
Don't be a corelet

>>378926919
I have that CPU as well. From looking around a bit, most people seem to agree that it's still good enough for current games. I'll get a chance to find out for myself pretty soon, because I need to replace my dying GPU and get an upgrade while I'm at it.

>>378927087
Is that hard to do if you know basically nothing about PC hardware? Or can you do it through software without having to open the case?

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>>378914909
i5's are fine, if you don't want one just get ryzen.

>>378927435
>Is that hard to do if you know basically nothing about PC hardware? Or can you do it through software without having to open the case?
Depends on your motherboard but in my case it was stupid easy. There's tons of guides on the internet.

You never have to open the case but you do have to go into BIOS.

Basically what you do is turn up the frequency and the voltage. You turn up the frequency (which makes the CPU work faster) until the computer can no longer boot because the CPU isn't getting enough power to do the work, then you turn up the voltage until the computer can boot again. You can keep alternating and doing this indefinitely but eventually you'll get instability of even break your CPU, so don't go crazy.

It's easy as.

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>>378927121
>he can't afford both a console and a decent desktop
>false flagging consoles to justify his poverty

>>378927635
P.S. my advice is to only overclock if you're feeling about ready to replace your MOBO and CPU anyway. If I broke a brand new MOBO and CPU I'd be pissed, but if I'm overclocking something that I kinda want to get rid of anyway it doesn't matter if I break it.

But if you're careful there is 0% chance you'll break anything anyway.

>>378925503
What's the newer 6500?

>>378927121
PC gaming is good for one simple reason: Mods. PC also has a lot of games that just wouldn't be possible on a console, like Freespace 2 (which is, incidentally, still very much alive because of its active modding community).

It does come with added bullshit, though, I won't deny that. It's especially troublesome for people like me who really like games but aren't into tech stuff at all.

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>>378914909
That's prebuilt trash check this

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>>378927630
>>378925037
>>378925503
>locked quadcore
>in 2017

>>378927662
>Implying I don't have both

Sure, senpai

>>378927704
>P.S. my advice is to only overclock if you're feeling about ready to replace your MOBO and CPU anyway.
Sounds like a bad idea for me, then. Replacing parts is a major pain in the ass for me, because I really don't know what I'm doing as far as hardware goes. I guess I'll just have to see how things turn out with my new card first, unless maybe I can get the guys at the shop to overclock the CPU while they're in there installing the new card.

>>378927735
the intel i5 7500 is the newer version of the i5 6500

>>378926441
Disregard that, I suck cocks. Bluescreen'd in safemode. I've seen others do it.

>>378926538
Never said you need to pay thousands, just that his build cannot compete with a PS3 for those parts. An i3 would have been a better choice, and maybe a GTX 1060 would have been a better performer for a similar price.

>>378926919
That's a good chip. I've seen some decent performance out of the old 2500ks too.

>>378927129
>when you can get a used r9 fury for like 200?
Show me a seller. I agree with you but memecoiners are making amd gpu situations like this: >>378921061

>>378927191
That's no longer the case with many modern titles.
https://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/Far-Cry-4-Does-Not-Support-Dual-Core-Processors-Budget-Landscape-Shifting

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>>378927957

>>378927735
7500, but for 20$ more you could get a 1600 that is a unlocked 6 core which is way more worth it than an i5

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>>378914909
>i5
>2017

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>>378927957

>People recommending i5
Ryzen is out you morons. Get ryzen if you are on a budget. Get i7 if you have money.

>>378927914
Looks like shit

i3 7100 (small after market cooler)
8gb ram
250gb SSD
580gpu
75hz screen

Job done.

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>>378929781
>recommending an i3
really nigger?

>>378929781
Good luck finding a 580 senpai.
No really. Go check all the online retailers. All 580 are out of stock due to miners. Your only luck at the moment is brick and mortar stores.

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>>378929781
>$120 i3 over a $50 g4560

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>>378929781
how about no

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tHBxKZ

>>378930190
Enjoy your microshuttering.
Both are good CPUs tho.

>>378930273
>DDR3
Could say the same about your build.

>>378927914
r5? got it last month, but regret not waiting for the white motherboard to fit the theme, but i like it so far.

>>378925503
Because I replaced the 6500 with a 7500 I had to get a new motherboard.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CgKkKZ
Also, if I have an ATX PSU and a micro ATX case would that mean they are incompatible?

>>378930639
Check the dimensions listed on your PSU and the allowed dimensions for the case. Every case is slightly different.

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>PC thread with the OP image advertising a character from a PS4 exclusive game.

FUCKING KEK
You people really know your stuff I see.

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>>378930285
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME8nwe-1-7I
>>378930350
i'm going for the best build around $500 without sacrificing anything major. ddr4 is only worth it for ryzen chips. If you're upgrading both motherboard and cpu you can save a little more for ddr4. Here's an even cheaper alternative.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2NDhNN

>>378914909
Ok so here's the deal

Games like Arma 3, Ashes of the singularity and others that like CORES, get an i7 or i9 when comes out

Games like solitaire or CS:GO get a i5

If you think you might end up playing some higher end games then a i7 (or i9 when it comes out) is logically a better future proof choice.

You'd still have to replace the CPU in 4 years to maintain silky smooth 60 FPS in most games since it's going to be slow by that time.

Oh you're going to replace your GPU in 2 years when a double speed one comes out.

Welcome to PC Gaming.

>inb4 MUH GTX 970 WILL LAST ME YEARS!!1
>sure if you like playing on low settings
>you probably downscale 1080p movies to 720p too

follow logicalincrements.com

youll be fine

>>378930994
I can play newer games at high settings, 1080p, 60fps on my i5, gtx770.

Faggot.

>>378930350
if you're going that cheap then why the fuck would you buy ddr4 during a price hike while ddr3 is cheaper without sacrificing any performance on intel chips? second hand ddr3 is going for half of what ddr4 is priced at.

>>378930938
>4:18
>5:21
And so on.
Its a good CPU and werks but has his downsides.

Its the pentium meme CPU of this generation, G3258 had the same problems.

>>378930130
I'm from NZ, they are everywhere. Plenty in shops mate.
>>378929869
Deal with it
>>378930190
>Buying the cheapest CPU
>Not understanding law of diminishing returns
Stay fag, fag

>>378931372
>I'm from NZ, they are everywhere. Plenty in shops mate.
Amazing they haven't been snapped the fuck up.

>>378930994
>He doesn't game on low/off
>He gets btfo by cunts laying in the grass that can see him but he can't see them because of his Ulta high FX
Kek, kys your not a real gamer

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>>378930994
Just imagine being fucking poor.

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>>378931351
the pentium is $50 for a reason, a damn good value compared to the 7100. If you're willing to waste an extra $70 on a dualcore that's a bit smoother then hey, your money not mine. Anything aside from the g4560 or the 7700k doesn't make sense now that ryzen is a thing (unless you get a decent discount).
>>378931372
>law of diminishing returns
>mfw this has to be bait

>>378931773
Easy, i still have to get a GPU and using a TV as monitor.
And using only 1x8GB RAM.

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PC gaming is really good.

>>378931834
>Using a TV as a monitor

>>378931917
Is that or use a old CRT i have.
Honestly the CRT is way better but it scares me using it for more than 8 hours a day.

>>378931826
>Recommending only those two CPUs.
Holy shit.

>>378923835
try limiting your FPS with DxTory

>>378914909
Don't get an intel CPU. Ryzen is better.

>>378932453
Ryzen is better for anything outside of gaming. 7700k is still superior for games due to better single core performance.

>>378932453
Dude I also like Ryzen and am glad the competition is finally back, but no one is going to listen to you when you recommend AMD on /v/, they still have 5 years of bad rep to fix.

>>378931773
>literally sucked a dude's dick on craigslist for an old-ish Dell Optiplex with 6GB ram, an i7 950, and a GT720
>still using a 19 inch TV for monitor
>still using ball-mouse
>using some generic chink keyboard
>still have crippling debt
>not sure why my bank account is still open since I've been unable to put any money in within the last 2 years
>literally been living in my dad's spare room, rent-free because he's ashamed of me being a homeless virgin, but I'm his son anyway
>only have internet for 4 hours per day
man, being poor would probably be pretty shit

>>378923835
Use vsync dude

>>378932648
Freesync is so cheap now.
Vsysnc is old news now.

>>378932619
And then going on /v/ to argue for a platform because it is the only one available to you.