What do you think of Project M? I like that GW is a top tier

I don't like it at all. It feels artificial, and I don't care for how it plays. Just seems off. Peach is okay though.

>>378909142
Still one of my favorites.

>>378909230
I think the main reason for this is the music. They really should have stuck to Nintendo shit.

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The best thing to come out of the Smash zeitgeist. The character reworks are fantastic and shockingly well balanced. Project M manages to appeal to both casual and competitive players better than any of the other games have. It's a wonderful fan project and easily my favorite mod of all time.

Dropped it right when the devs did and moved fully to Melee

>>378909142
>>378911228
In a way, the PMDT dropping it and leaking the source code to the community was the best thing to happen to PM.

Sure, the community is small but at least it's still active with people contributing character mods thanks to someone on the PMDT leaking the source code.

>>378911205
It still amazes me whenever I play Ganondorf or Bowser how the PMDT manages to create heavy characters that aren't complete dogshit like they are in the original games.

Bowser being a walking tank of death and destruction thanks to super armor and meaty attacks and Ganondorf getting a float to help with his recovery while receiving a reflector and an improved warlock punch were great back when I used to play it with friends.

>>378909142
I literally know nothing about competitive Smash and I love this mod. It's fast paced fun with bullshit party modes that don't feel like frustrating crap put in to appeal to young kids. None of the stuff Sakurai has done ever opened up Smash to a wider audience, the only thing that did was the sales figures for whatever console it was on. Inexperienced players could never enjoy it as much as people who owned and played the game.

It's like nigga Smash already has simplistic inputs for all your moves and massive cast of recognizable characters from brands owned by THE iconic name of video games. How much more mass appeal can you have? I just wanted momentum in my jumps back and I got that.

>>378911538
Why hasn't anyone continued the project?
By the way if someone does add back in the Warlock Punch and Pichu thanks bby

I liked what little I've played of it, but I prefer Brawl Minus[\spoiler]

>>378912004
There are community projects floating around the internet if you want to check it out, it's just that tournaments generally stick to 3.6 since that was the last official update.

I saw Knuckles being played in a recent stream though so maybe someone out there fixed the leaked characters or something.

>>378912004
>Why hasn't anyone continued the project?
Nobody wants to because tournaments will only use versions made by the PMDT, which is rather ok in my opinion since it's fine the way it is.
>By the way if someone does add back in the Warlock Punch and Pichu thanks bby
Warlock is a taunt now and there is probably a PSA for Pichu.

What I want is Mewtwo and Roy in SSE.

>>378912267
Oh I know, but someone should make an effort to continue an "official version" and persuade tournaments and netplay to use it

>>378912343
>Warlock is a taunt now
You can't use it in midair
Midair warlocks are the fucking best

>>378909142
most fun smash I've played by far casually and competitively. Shame the scene kinda abandoned the game due to Nintendo shenanigans.

>>378912476
>due to Nintendo shenanigans
IIRC it's because they were afraid of Nintendo shenanigans. I don't think Nintendo actually threatened them officially at that point.

I love it. It is a little janky but my local is full of cool dudes and i get to see Switch and Malachi play in person.

Wolf is fun as fuck

>>378909893
This is an odd opinion. Only about 5% of the music has been changed and the Bowser's Castle arrangement is dope.

I don't care for the "original" metal cavern tune though. It's pretty boring.

>>378912462
Since you now have a float that gives you extra recovery options and the Warlock punch now hits in an arc, I think it's a fair tradeoff.

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>>378909142

it's an absurd technological marvel and a level of polish that is fucking stellar for a mod

it's unfortunate some characters are plain unfinished but at least you can see a good amount of the cast used in tournaments

>>378911761
they feel good to play but still needed a lot of work, let's not kid ourselves.

>>378911538

the problem being that people who mod brawl outside of the ex-PMDT are really, REALLY bad at it in comparison.

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Its the only good smash game played it for 5 years and wrecked my hands.

>>378912560
Given how quietly they removed it and the lack of detail they gave when asked, it's likely nintendo did take action and pressured them to keep quiet about it or face further legal action.

>>378913016
>the problem being that people who mod brawl outside of the ex-PMDT are really, REALLY bad at it in comparison.
i like brawl minus

>>378909142
-amazing gameplay and extras
-questionable character moveset changes, mostly to the brawl newcomers
-reverting falco back to clone was a mistake

various issues with stages
-some newer ones aren't professionally done and stand out
-some stages are missing even though stage expansion was a thing since forever

-adding a new original theme song and a new announcer was a mistake

rip in peace project m. at least i have found memories of it and it had a decent playerbase before smash 4 landed.
the devs flat out killed the mod though. and then tried to shame anyone using the build that had lyn and knuckles. what the fuck.

I'll probably never stop playing the Legacy TE distribution unless Melee HD gets released but even then it'll be rough

>>378913458
Sonic's changes were fan-fucking-tastic

>>378909142
It's already dead

>>378913458
The dev team had tons of massive issues I wish people wouldn't suck them off so we could just play with a new better build.

>>378913563
Wario's changes are fantastic as well and more faithful to his character.

>>378913458
>reverting falco back to clone was a mistake
I HATED Falco's shine in Brawl and SSB4
I was like, the fuck is this shit?

>>378913370
Brawl minus is fun as shit, but it lacks the polish PM has.

>>378913682
Id have liked a bit of a middle ground with brawl up tilt and fairs animation changed to brawl nair and working in between the two moves.

>>378913563
yeah most of the new moves sonic got were great
side B was still kinda dumb and could have used more creativity though

>>378913680
i agree, but his new animations were a bit janky.
that and differed too far from his actual brawl version.
classic wario and brawl wario should have been 2 separate characters or some shit.

>>378909893

this is such a non issue, seeing as it's braindead easy to change brawl music as you see fit

>Xenoblade
>Cave Story
>Bravely Default
>Sonic
>Pokemon ORAS
>Persona
>back to what brawl had if your'e boring
ect.
matching music to stages is my JAM


>>378913682

I kind of wanted Falco to keep is brawl Fair, Nair and Fsmash but the project did start off as the team seeing if they could replicate melee Falco in brawl, so I guess it's just how it is.

>>378909142
Gimmicky as hell, I feel like puking any time I see a character chain grabbing or getting punishes because the throws are fast as hell and DI mix up each other. Also the frustratingly easy punish game where even low/mid level players can touch you once and you die.

Characters don't feel natural at all because it's specifically designed to make characters good, which means they have to give them all dumb shit. It doesn't feel like movesets naturally flow together or anything.

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>>378914031

the whole point of wario's animations was that they WERE janky.

>>378914274
You dont know how to DI.

It feels different but I like it. I started playing Smash on Brawl, and I like how they made it playable and competitive.
Game and Watch is my main, I mained him even in Brawl, and when I started playing him I really liked it. One thing I don't like about games that have updates (or did have) is when your main becomes top tier everyone thinks you're a tier whore.

How spaced out are the tiers in this game? can bottom tiers be considered remotely viable or what's the cutoff point?
Also why am I so bad at L cancelling on a short hop

>>378915285
Most characters are considered viable. The only characters that the majority of players agree aren't good are Jiggs, Pit, and Olimar.

>>378915285
A good ~95% of the cast is considered viable and the gap between tiers is negligible for the most part.

>>378915496
>Jiggs
why does she get keked in every game except melee
even the game that basically is melee 2.0

>>378915285
>Also why am I so bad at L cancelling on a short hop
You don't L-cancel a hop but an aerial attack

>>378915830
Shes not even good in Melee shes just okay and when there more bad MUs for her and she receives nothing she just ends up weak.

>>378915830
She's good in Melee because of the characters that are primarily used in competitive play. She's almost a 1:1 clone in PM, but since the viable cast is so much more diverse, her tricks just don't stand up.

>>378915830

it's really weird considering that PM jiggs is essentially 1:1 melee jiggs

but apparently the reasoning is that the cast changes overall messed her matchups up considerably, moreso than the likes of Marth who is barely in A rank anymore

regardless, the few occasions Hungrybox played PM he still came away with good/winning results so I think with Jiggs it's just a case of how good you are.

How lively is the netplay in PM nowadays? I'm getting a decent PC soonish and I was planning on doing some netplay in it considering how dead my local scene is for Melee and PM.

Hey I got the netplay build of PM, why won't the music sliders move

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>>378915285

not sure this list is still up to date, but essentially you don't want to solo main about 50% of the cast

I really like Lucas' Offense Up and wish a future Smash would "borrow" it

Otherwise I don't think much about it

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It's currently my favorite by that I mean it's the one I'm best at smash. Happy that they made my /guys/ Luigi and Samus viable.

How do I get the normal build of PM on Dolphin? Not netplay. I have netplay but I would like to use the normal build.

>>378916369
S-A is solo main material. Guys through B are all viable but they're better as pocket picks. I acutally see most of C pretty often too, Olimar is where the players basically disappear.

I fucking love Project M and still play it regularly at locals. Rip Knuckles and Lyn though.

>>378916354
They are locked in the netplay version due to online sync stuff

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>>378909142
Easily the best Smash game. It takes competitive elements from both Melee and Brawl, and puts them together.

It also had great casual fun modes, like removing death when you fall off the screen, so you can die via stamina like a traditional fighting game.

Most importantly, believe it or not, the balance is much better than the other Smash games by a good amount.

>>378917062

>Rip Knuckles and Lyn though

I'm more upset about Sami, was really looking forward to that AW appreciation.

especially since IS won't make another Wars game because they don't know how to implement Fire Emblem's Relationship stuff into it

fucking kill me

Can we all agree that PM's SSE is the best single player mode in all of Smash? It's like 2D DMC

>>378917409
FE sure is cancer. Seems like lots of stuff would be fixed if that series died

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>playing friendlies with a buddy
>he ledge camps
>as Marth
>on every fucking stage

How much of a piece of shit do you have to fucking be jesus christ
Do you seriously excpect me to let the timer run out in friendlies, of course I'm gonna run at you and get gimped asshole

I'm talking Melee but you guys know what I mean

>>378916787
Download the ISO, it's probably on TPB.

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I'm not autistic enough to give a crap about the competitive meta or balance, but I do appreciate it for making Brawl faster paced and adding Melee characters and stages. One thing that bugs me is that if you dodge in midair you can't jump, recover, or attack. The level 9 CPUs keep killing themselves this way. It doesn't happen in Brawl and I don't remember if this happened in melee. Either way, I think it's pretty stupid.

>>378917506
Not really, I have Zelda's side-B for that

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>>378917424

its amazing just how much less agonizing it is with something as simple as speeding the gameplay up

it is my dream game to see this sort of a game made with guilty gear anime aesthetics.

>>378917506
We dont PM stops giving invincibility on ledge grab after you do it 5 times without touching ground.

>>378916787
https://mega.nz/#!UEgxWajL!mOI8nU760SOtE8sbWQkBPUMsNfy7gfkTHC0EK8H14yQ

Reminder that a member of the PM dev team made a final ""unofficial"" character, Has anyone used him yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqnvkCV-FKU

>>378917596

it's a bug they couldn't program out of the AI in time.

It's the funnest smash game to play casually. It deserved to die competitively though because of how reddicuck the PM community is.

It was pathetic how after PMDT disbanded the PM TOs all threatened to ban anyone who even brought 3.61 (despite being official) or any community patches to locals.

>>378918058
It's understandable because if anyone plays a different version then the game would die off in no time

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>>378917501

at this point i just let it be and recognize that there's better strategy RPGs out there.

>>378918256
Not him but no 3.61 should be standard the fact that its not is fucking retarded.

>>378918058
>It was pathetic how after PMDT disbanded the PM TOs all threatened to ban anyone who even brought 3.61 (despite being official) or any community patches to locals.

I attend PM tournaments, and while 3.6 is the tournament standard, 3.61 is allowed for friendlies. The TOs aren't stopping anyone from exploring what could've been.

Also, it's been a hot minute since we had any PM leaks here, huh?

>>378918392
It wasn't fully finished, we don't really know if it is well balanced or not.
Also, they were never official downloads link and instructions for it

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>>378918402

what else do we need to know at this point other than the fact that the devs clled it off themselves because of the usual culprit, fatigue?

>They were planning on adding more fucking FE shit

What the absolute fuck?

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>>378918720

Lyn was at least more inspired than "3 marth clones lol" Wiiu smash.

My PC is shit and gets frame drops in this game, is Wiimmfi still active for this game

>>378918607

>yoshi's shield
>link's grab

2 issues that are fixed in 3.61, and mild shit to a few others that would have led to things like pit not being trash.

>>378918925
>Sword weebshit was at least more inspired than Sword weebshit

I'm just glad that it didn't actually happen

>>378918607
Its been plenty tested and whether it was "finished" or not doesn't matter its a better patch than 3.6.
>>378918720
Lyn would have played well with some polish.

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>>378918607

>>378919128
>Lyn would have played well

So? That doesn't justify yawn-o-rama tier characters. Thank fuck that Waluigi was added instead of her. RIP Sami tho

>>378919206
She was very different from Marth Roy or Ike whether you like that or not doesn't change that fact.

>Greyfox was gonna be added

I wonder how he would've played

>>378911205
my nigga pooch.

i went to wdw one time and got my urethra raped. thank ganondorf isnt completely retarded in pm. it was cool

>>378919396
>She was very different from Marth Roy or Ike

No she wasn't. She was just another bland anime sword shitter.
But luckily she isn't real anymore

>>378909142
My favorite Smash, even donated to the breast cancer drive they were doing and got the shirt and hoodie.

Not sure if top but mandatory top 10 or even 5. i mained him for ages so it's kinda nice.

It won't, I'm just sad we'll never get the extra characters. At least it's complete.

>>378919206

you have to remember that the clone engine was pretty restrictive. it's impressive what they got away with building Mewtwo from Lucario, or knuckles from sonic. keeping it a simple character for one of their first originals was probably a smart choice whether you liked it or not.

>>378919403

what, was he character 5?
i seem to remember the 4 being knuckles, lyn, sami and isaac, but they never had a concrete decision on 5

>>378912387
nintnedo has been on the lock before then
nintendo took it down then
nintendo has been on the lockdown since.

no one is going to take it up, especially when it was such a debacle

>>378918719
>they quit because they were bored
>ignoring the fact that they were already showing off new costumes and were about to release 3.61 when they got shut down
nice try NIDF

>>378919492
did you even fucking play lyn? i'm not the anon you replied to, but goddamn are you retarded if you think lyn was a FE swordsman clone.

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>>378919492

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>strongbad is working on that Wavedash games smash game with the shitty League of legends esque artstyle

this timeline has its' draws.

>>378913016
If heavys still need so much work, why is the world's best player a do main? Junebug also rocked Ganon when he was arguably the best

>>378917707
>Project M Community
are there any extra characters in this build?

>>378919754

>everyone (the people who mattered, ie "the Jedi Council") getting shitty with each other
>one goes to video game lawyer
>spooks rest into pulling plug amidst fears of other action from nintendo

take it for what you will, this scenario is still nintendo pressuring them into fucking off.

>>378919657
I think the "final" discussions of new characters involved Skull Kid, Deoxys, Grey Fox, and Dark Samus according to leaks.

>>378919789
Theres no way he did
>>378919838
Basing their characters off of "Melee archtypes" is the worst fucking idea ever I cant wait to see that crash and burn.

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>>378912120
B- a best

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>>378909142
The regular game is feels great to play. The need stamina and All star VS modes are a blast to play with friends. Too bad they cut it short or whatever the truth is.

>>378917506
get good. bait that shit out you dumbo.
>but then he attacks me. then don't approach

>>378919884

because DK is the exception that is stuck in this B rank hell of sorts where nobody can decide just how good he is

>>378920057

if i remember correctly that graphic also had shulk on it

i think they were all considered options for the 5th character, as their clone engine limited to 7 news.

>>378920063

to be fair if I were to make a smash game i'd probably take some cues form wolf and captain falcon in PM, they're too good to remain buried in a mod like this.

ROA aside.

>Peach doesn't say SSSWEET
Fucking ruined

I was told the CPUs in this game were smart but they're actually way more retarded than Melee's
I'm a bad player, so I sometimes lose to Melee CPUs. Not in this game. The CPUs are pushovers in this game. They SD a LOT.

>>378919789
She's literally just a slightly different Marth. No reason for her to exist. So she doesn't! Sounds like you're just mad your generic FE shit didn't get added

PM is dope. Been playing it for a few years even in the dark ages. Its making a revival.

Bigger Balc hit record numbers and so will Smash n' Splash. Also the community in my experience is very nice and full of wonderful people. Hoping as time goes on the negative memes/myths get dispelled. Think they're already on the way out.

Recently I've been trying to learn Lucario, he is so cool! You can do such dope shit (extending strings with up b into side b spike)

<3 PM

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>Black Shadow, King K.Rool, and Waluigi being added to PM instead of MORE FE trash, a sonic recolor, and a generic anime swordsman

Can we all agree that we won in the end?

>>378920928
>Smash n' Splash
Oh shit it's on
Thanks for reminding me
When is PM

>>378909142
It's garbage. Imagine a deviantart account that taped together all of the things they would have liked to have on their character in Brawl while trying to keep everyone "viable" and then imagine a community that hates Melee because they can't play without tap jump off or the fact that they're probably going to lose if they play Pichu when they aren't even trying to play a low tier in PM anyway.

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>>378919975
Here's the old Community Complete build that leaked shortly after the dev team disbanded.
https://github.com/Project-M-CC/Project-M-CC

The Vector/Discord group working on it been dead as fuck for a year now, but it's the only way to play with the unreleased balance patch and as Lyn and Knuckles.

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>>378920879
>She's literally just a slightly different Marth.

if you were talking about roy, then you'd be right, right down to his character. lyn is a very different person from marth and i'm taking this bait like nothing else.

>>378921080
Most of that was just the community
The game itself is cool
And the official (official) characters are only shit from brawl and melee

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>>378921043
Day 1 is right now!

If anyone wants to find PM tournies and streams, autokal is dope. The community is finally centralizing shit

https://autokal.com/projectm

>>378920996
Is this bait? Knuckles and Lyn are fucking amazing what-if additions and Isaac is anything but generic.

>>378921250
If you think so, keep liking it. I don't really like it because I can just play Melee and be content. I've played PM since 3.02 competitively and the problem with PM was ultimate the PMDT. There is no real reason to play PM outside of having fun and using it as a warm-up bracket for Melee at your local. The balance isn't even any better compared to Melee when you do the math to the total number of characters; Some characters are even arguably worse than their Melee counterpart and it's way too easy to Zero-to-Death people and it makes this fake hype for new players when they see Lucas dair someone 10 times because they can't SDI.

I feel like it compliments Melee really well. The games feel different enough but retain the same goal of high speed and fluid actions. The variety of PM is both the best and worst thing about it. New players get overwhelmed by "jank" (90% of which is just getting exploited by shit because you don't know the matchup) and it hurts growth to an extent, but the fact you can use a huge chunk of the cast viably and they all play really unique is fantastic. Anyone can find a character they "click" with. I've only been playing it for ~7-8 months compared to ~1 year for Melee, but I generally have more fun with it.
Anyone wanna netplay?

>>378921245
>lyn is a very different person from marth

FE characters are all identical character-wise. You're functionally retarded if you get attached to any of those bland pieces of trash.

Reminder that fucking Waluigi got into PM before your generic weebshit waifu >>378917793

>>378921576
I'll play. US east coast?

>>378913684
They're catching up just don't get the dogshit version featuring fisher price drawings.

>>378921491
>Knuckles and Lyn are fucking amazing what-if additions

Knuckles is literally just a red sonic and only stupid fucking faggots want more generic FE trash

>and Isaac is anything but generic. He doesn't have a single unique aspect. That's why his games are dead. He wasn't even good enough for an assist trophy spot in 4.

But luckily your shit characters lost :)

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>>378921578
>>378921675

>>378921578

>FE characters are all identical character-wise
its funny that you feel the need to be this contrarian

protip
no he didn't
nobody who matters cares about those shitty add-ons

>>378920072
Did you see the stealth update they did?
http://imgur.com/a/lj0oH

>>378921738
>(Y-Y-You)

Love it. You can't accept that fate wouldn't allow your shit characters into the 10/10 game that is PM, so you lash out.

>>378921630
Yeah, TN. Code's fb9813d9

>>378921846

>PM is 10/10

fucking lol

(you) harder

>>378921780
>its funny that you feel the need to be this contrarian

But liking FE shit IS contrarian.

>protip
>no he didn't

But he's fully completed and playable in the official final build of the game. Your shit isn't. You lost

No smash game is 10/10 the genre has too many inherent flaws.

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>PM Zelda

>>378921925
>B-Better use brick wall tactics

You sound mad

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>>378921846
>>378921954

>>378922097
>facts are bait

???

Waluigi is in PM. Lyn isn't. You lost, weeb

>>378921954

>But he's fully completed and playable in the official final build of the game. Your shit isn't. You lost

>implying anybody cares about some shitty add on
i suppose that's why people are clamouring for Bagon's ridley mod
OH WAIT.

Original characters would be great in another mod
But please not in PM
I'm glad it ended where it did

>>378922176
>implying anybody cares about some shitty add on

But that's what PM is

>i suppose that's why people are clamouring for Bagon's ridley mod

lolwtf?

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>>378922153

I dropped it during 3.02 when mewtwo was OP as fuck

Amazing game for casually playing competitive, but as a serious game it has a lot of flaws and can be pretty damn braindead.

Snake, Kirby, DK, Samus, Ganon and Toon Link were so fun

>tfw you play Lyn and she's instantly your favorite character
>cant play her in tournies
Its not fair

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>>378911205
>The character reworks are fantastic and shockingly well balanced. Project M manages to appeal to both casual and competitive players better than any of the other games have. It's a wonderful fan project and easily my favorite mod of all time.
This. Every character feels at least playable, much unlike the mainline Smash games. Also I really dig Brawl's visuals and character/stage variety, the gameplay itself is what ruined the game for me, so Project M makes it my favorite Smash game, No Contest.

NESS IS GOOD
AND HE HAS PAJAMAS
10/10
They missed out not giving Lucas a Masked Man alt though

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>>378920072
>Still using the old version without stock icons

>>378922337

if that's the case, try giving it another go 3.6
they reigned in everything considerably

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I think this game is trash and the only people who play it are people looking to win tournements at a game only a few people are good at and all the kiddos who aren't good at the real smash games.

>>378922474
Is the ZE3 image a reference to a shitposter or

Wavedashing is harder to do
I guess that's input lag?

>>378922545
Na I just like Phi.

Leffen summed up why PM is shit recently on twitter:
>If you think just good character design = more options then I dont even know. Mewtwos design in PM is a disgrace
>His range/priority is already great in melee, its just requires some thought since it has big hurtboxes as well. In PM its just braindead
>His big hurtbox made the moves win if you read their timing, but lose to already active moves. They completely removed all nuance and flavor

He is talking about Mewtwo but this problem extends to almost every character in the game other than the ones with barely any changes from their Melee counterpart.

>>378922630
Its literally just hold down-forward and press y/x then r/l
Its not hard

Anyone play Project M Legacy XP?

>>378922750
>more options is bad
>says the melee player
Yeah ok

>>378922751
I know, but in Melee it's easier
I fuck up more in PM

>>378922819
What's the last English class you took? High school level?

>>378922630
Nah its the same for most characters.

Also unless you are playing on netplay there is no input lag. The "one frame" thing is how the game updates character position, but there is no input lag.

>>378922750

>leffen "fox's melee shine is perfectly balanced"

fuck off.

>>378922750
Too bad Leffen is just straight up wrong and his hitboxes/hurtboxes are the same as melee's from 3.6 onwards.

Except his neutral hurtbox, where is tail is shortened a bit to bullshit catching his tail in neutral.

woah shit tank is in this game
and the ice climbers are fuckin busted

I have no opinion on the mod itself but the devs are giant fucking assholes for colluding with TO's and smashboards mods/staff to blacklist the leaked build or disscussiing it and trying to excuse it with "RESPECTING CREATOR INTENT" when it's a fucking unauthorized mod to begin with and how it'd put them at legal threat when so would disscusion of normal builds of it which they still allowed.

>>378912004
>>378912343
>>378912267
>Why hasn't anyone continued the project?
see above

>>378922983

i think mewtwo has hurtboxes on only half of his tail to allow for some mild disjoint

>>378909142

It's great. There isn't anyone I don't enjoy playing as. In Smash 4, I hate playing as a lot of characters. For example, I can't stand Sonic in Smash 4, but he's fun to use in PM. Everyone's relatively fun to play, which makes it far better than 4 and Melee, imo.

>>378922874
Anon the point of communication is to get your point across efficiently, judging how good someones English is based off their punctuation and prose is pretentious and makes you look like someone who's only quality measure in life was the fact they got good grades in school, which is pretty pathetic.

If you couldn't figure out I was calling him a hypocrite with only what I said, then you are an autist.

>>378922750
Fox is literally the worst designed character in all of smash he cant talk shit about PM Mewtwo. If he wants to say G&W Lucario Wario are poorly designed sure go for it but theres nothing wrong with Mewtwo hes just being a fucking bitch.

He also dodged PM players MM in melee cuz hes fucking scared.

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>>378923068
Yup. From the designer himself.

anyone have an link for legaxy xp iso?

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>>378923251

>the ex devs show up to personally BTFO lef

i wish i still liked them.

>>378922750
>Mewtwos design in PM is a disgrace
I agree, but only in the sense that I don't like the addition of the float.

>This problem extends to almost every character
Which problem? Having more options? The problem he's referring to is character-specific.

>>378923186
The fuck are you talking about? The greentext was not at all what leffen said. Read it again, idiot.

>>378923364
How is float problematic in your opinion because I just dont see how its bad for characters to have unique mechanics.

>>378923186
He was saying more options isn't inherently good you dickhead. You can see this in how braindead and autocombo-y most of PM's characters are.

>>378923508
I think it's excessive(adding options out of teleport was enough, IMO), and I liked floating being unique to Peach.

>>378909142
this is my favorite version of Smash, hands down. gives me Melee without Melee's bullshit, and the most fun version of all of my mains.

I hadn't been able to follow the competitive side as much since it had to move to hitbox though. so I've been out of the loop for a while.

so there's an actual tier list now? the matches I see on the YT clash channel still show a ton of variety though.

>>378923575
>He doesn't know how to DI
You're retarded if you think most of the PM cast is just auto combos. The top tiers are as are the top tiers in Melee get over your shitty old game.

>>378923645
Okay so you dont understand the massive differences between how the two floats work got it.

>>378923718
there's a tier list but it's less spaced out than any other smash game
S tier is Diddy, Meta Knight, Fox, and Wolf
D tier is Pit, Kirby, and Bowser
But every character is pretty much viable

>>378923947
It's additional aerial movement, which in Mewtwo's case isn't needed, since he can teleport and jump pretty far already.

>>378923976
>Pit went from one of the best character to the worst
What a shame.

>>378924253
He was mostly buffed. It's just how the meta worked out. But again, the tiers are super close.

>>378924253
The dev team had a system in place where certain people were in charge of certain characters and the guy insisted he was already boderline broken as is even though he hadn't played in like 4 years. PMDT had so many shitty systems in place to prevent the game from getting better.

>>378924812
Yeah, it's pretty much 3-5 characters at the top and bottom, then everyone else is just in between.

>>378923976
wow, what happened to Bowser? I remember people winning some tournaments with him, I think there were even a couple xanadus where they had actual Bowser v Mario grandfinals. I miss those streams.

but I can't remember if those matches were of the last version or not. adding the armor on his moves and crawl was such a good idea in general though, I had way more fun with PM Bowser than any other version.

>>378924930
>I remember people winning some tournaments with him
I told ya, every character is viable
He's worse than every other character but not bad

>>378918925
did the mod to finish her and isaac ever get finished? i wanted both of them so badly i would even take a ridley mod tier version of them as long as it was playable with all moves.

PM tier list mostly comes down to how hard you're gonna have to work to win with you needing some good ass yomi to play low tiers.

PM ruined vanilla Smash for me.
Luigi was a slippery cunt that could store his misfires for later
Ike had SO MANY GOD DAMNED MOVEMENT OPTIONS HOLY FUCK
Ganondorf's aerial flame choke -> uptilt combo STILL gives me a boner
Wario getting all the moves and animations from Wario Land really pleased autism as a Wario Land fanboy (an itch Samurai has yet to scratch)
Lucas' Psi Offense Up-smash was godly

I still can't decide who to main after all these years

>>378925051
good to know that the general consensus is that everyone's still viable.
it's just been so long since I followed the scene that I wasn't sure if there had been a big meta shift.

>>378925523
>I wasn't sure if there had been a big meta shift.
Nah. Top players stayed at the top with the occasional new face. The meta really can't progress but so quickly, given the little support that the game has and the number of matchups that are possible.

It's the perfect Smash
Maybe Melee is better but I don't know

>>378925523
Don't believe that shit.

The top 5 in the game right now almost invalidate that "every character is viable shit". It's true that any character can win but the difference between Jigglypuff and Wario is that of the difference between a dull hammer and a hammer with a handgun built-in. Meta Knight and Wolf are insane right now, DK forces every character in the game into 50/50s or you just die at 80 from cargo up throw to uair if you're a light character, GnW controls the whole stage with bacon and can kill you in one grab and characters like Bowser and Yoshi might as well not be in the game.

>>378922439
look up smash 3c, there's a good masked man alt that you can add in yourself

>>378909893
You may be thinking of the netplay version, which was not made by pmdt. The console version mostly kept Brawl's OST and when it did add music it was Nintendo music or their own original theme.

>>378916365
>>378916369
If spacies mains actually played PM instead of Melee you already know for a fact Fox and probably Falco would take the top slots
But if you just like spacies, not really much of a reason to focus on PM. Too many gay matchups.

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>>378920879
Nope basically played like a Dreamlander but faster and with a bow

If anything she was a fast falling glass cannon version of Pit

>>378909142
It's pretty fun, but the animations just look off.

>>378919657
He was the most likely since Skull Kid, Dark Samus and Deoxys were all leaker bait.

>>378922750
>leffen
>in charge of being critical and unbiased

Sure friend. Also Melee is designed like ass, still enjoy it.

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>>378922804
I wish I could but I can never get the fucking game to work on the Wii I borrowed for it. I don't want to have to homebrew this just to play a mod though. I usually play Project M on my Wii U with the stage creator method but that obviously doesn't work for Legacy XP. Are they ever going to make a "Lite" version like they said they would?

>>378929154
Are you retarded? Falco spawns at death percent in a game full of ways to force him offstage for free not to mention all of the lingering hitboxes to move him around and Fox isn't even top 10 in this game for the same reasons and he's combo food for PM characters.

>>378932981
Fox is top 5 easy Wolf is top 3 Falco is top 15

>>378920692

I agree. It's mostly because of the stages that are legal in PM and the way the Brawl engine views stages. As I understand it, the engine basically takes the CPU's position, scans vertically, and if it detects a platform, it says,"Okay, the character is currently above/on the stage, therefore it is safe to do X move"

On stages like Smashville, with the moving platform, or Yoshi's island with the cloud platform, this results in a lot of SDs since the AI thinks it has someplace to land when it really doesn't. I usually play against CPUs on Pokemon Stadium 2, which results in less SDs, though characters like Pikachu will still kill themselves a lot.