>game try to make you feel bad >it fails

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woah....................................................

What is Spec ops the line?

>>378906862
Shit this is everyday real life for me.

"Anon you shouldnt do the thing cause it'll make ppl upset"
"Fuck you, I'm doing the thing"

>game tries to be politically correct
>hilariously an unintentionally fails even worse than if someone were intentionally trying to be politically incorrect

>>378906862
I am not sure but I think you were supposed to feel bad when the npcs turned hollow in dark souls.
I get cool items after killing them... How is that bad?

>>378908189

Because they are mostly good people, that unfortunately didn't make it. If you really want the loot, can't you just kill them before they turn Hollow anyway?

>>378908189
>>>378906862 (OP)
>I am not sure but I think you were supposed to feel bad when the npcs turned hollow in dark souls.
Well thats the point, you have entered the mindset of a listless hollow, not caring whether or not your friends die, only what they had on them.

>>378906862
>game is about feeling good doing bad things
>it fails

>>378907998
Examples pls.

>>378908847

ME2 and Jacob.

>make a black squadmate to fill out the human characters because there were no black people in ME1 besides anderson
>he ends up being one of the most stereotypical black men ever, with a deadbeat rapist father and is the only romance option who cheats on shepard

>game tries to push the message that bigotry/racism is bad
>the racist strawmen all sound uncomfortable with their own bigotry

>>378909246
>cheats on you
>Bioware's shit design means that the cheating line is a bonus line
>Jacob's dialogue is now as if you didn't romance him
>Brags about his new girlfriend and talks about naming the kid after you

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>>378909542

>>378909542
fuck Batman

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>>378909246
>>378909423

> tfw legitimately liked Jacob because i quite enjoy his "everyday man" aspect and actually romanced him in one of my files

At least i didn't buy ME3 once i realized what a mess it was, what they did to Jacob's romance was a pretty big flag for me.

>>378907559
What a rebel.

Spec Ops pretty much

>>378907449
>people shoot you
>you shoot back
>game railroads you into doing something horrendous with no other option
>WOWWWWW HOW COULD YOU DO THAT
Fine then I'll refund your game faggot. Damage undone.

>>378910040
You're a sociopath

>>378910132

>self inserting as Walker instead of enjoying it like you would a war movie
>not understanding that the actions of Walker are not up to you, you are merely the person handling the shooting and walking.

I mean I knew /v/ was pretty dumb, but this is going to new levels

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>>378906862
Demon's Souls

>>378908847
ME: Andromeda with the whole "HELLO, NICE TO MEET YOU! BTW I'M TRANS" thing.

>>378909542
>this guy kills people who does things he dosen't like!
>let's kill him because he does things WE don't like!

Makes sense to me Senpai.

The Walking Dead.

>I'm supposed to feel bad for dropping Ben like a sack of shit

>>378909943
Don't forget how telling Cortez you're het is considered the renegade option.

>>378910365

Andromeda's dialogue is some of the worst shit I have ever seen.

>>378907559
>"Anon you shouldnt do the thing cause it'll make ppl upset"
>"Fuck you, I'm doing the thing"

Been a while seen since I've seen an edgy post.

>>378910453
first season was still somewhat relatable. In season 2 when Jane started telling me about her history with her sister or whatever i was like "no one even ASKED"

>>378910132
you don't get it, you're supposed to not play the game, it is too deep 4 u, this is a post modern video game in art form

>Game tries to make you feel good (as in a the morality choice kind)
>It fails
What are some examples?

>>378910441
In this case its more of a case my case villain. Mass genocide guys who have no reason other than "I AM BETTER THAN EVERYONE" clearly need to be put down, since they're literally insane

>>378910040
Edgy faggot

>>378910686

Every Fable game

>>378910485
Not really. It's just where the renegade options usually are, but it doesn't give you any renegade points, nor does the thing Shepard says sound particularly "renegade." It's also the position on the dialogue wheel where most negative answers usually go when asked a yes/no sort of question.

>>378910453

I'm not sure if you are. He's such a massive cunt if you save him that I'm thinking you're supposed to let him die.

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>game has children in it
>cant kill them but you can kill the adults

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The crown goes to Life is Strange, unquestionable.

>OOOOHHHH YOU MESSED WITH TIME YOU'RE SO SELFISH YOU SHOULD FEEL SO BAD
>prevented a woman's suicide
>worked to stop a serial killer
Literally did nothing wrong.

>>378910686
any game with just 2 retarded moral choices that are pretty much HURRRR GUD HURR BAD, bonus point if the endings are you're either a saint or satan in human form

see Dishonored, Bioshock 1/2, Fable TLC

>>378906862
>get attacked
>kill the enemy
>"BUT HE HAD A FAMILY!!!!!!!!"

Shut the fuck up. I'm not a bad person because I click buttons to make digital pixels change color.

>>378910838
Time Lord Victorious is wrong, faggot

>>378910836
>goes out of their way to make them super annoying on top of it

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>>378909542
>Bad guy tries to get you to kill him on purpose

>>378910780
This. I remember being pissed off when the first ME railroaded me into a romance with Ashley because I wanted to let her down easy but the only option that successfully cancels it is in the renegade slot.

>>378910172
>>378910729
Are you retarded? I had no choice in how the game played out, I didn't want to use the weapon because the squad mates advised me against it. Now don't tell me the flak for the decision to use white phosphorus was aimed at the character but not me, the passive-aggressive loading screen messages make it pretty clear the game is addressing the player.

The only way a game could make me feel bad would be if there are options for a non-lethal/pacifist run. If a game is kill or be killed by god I'm gonna be the one doing the killing

>>378908847
Mafia III suffers the same as Django did

>This story takes place during a time where racism was a norm, it was a bad thing, let us hope it never happens again, and please understand that we're using the word nigger for the sake of setting. Thank you.
Immediately followed by
>NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER

>>378910172
>>378910729
No I agree with him, especially after getting to that part of the game, trying to not do the thing, and getting a Game Over.

Look, Spec Ops, I understand you need to have control of your narrative, but you can't call me a "monster" for doing the thing I am actually required to do to progress the game.

>The only way to win is to not play!
Fine idea for the end of a movie, but not for 1/3rd into a GAME that you PLAY.

>>378911021
I don't watch Doctor Who, friendo.

>>378909943
>>378909423
>ME3
>tali throws herself off a cliff because I let her entire civilization die
>shows up for the ending

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>>378906862
>DUDE KROGAN LITERALLY ALMOST DESTROYED THE GALAXY
>WE HAD TO MAKE THE GENOPHAGE AND STERALIZE THEM TO SURVIVE
>OMG SHEPARD DID YOU REEEEEEAAAAAALLY JUST DESTROY THE GENOPHAGE CURE?! HOW COULD YOU BE SO CRUEL!!
>ITS NOT LIKE EVERY SINGLE OTHER ENEMY WE FIGHT IN THE GAME IS A KROGAN
>+500000 SUPER SPACE HITLER RENEGADE POINTS

>>378911346
You just got it wrong.

This guy got it right: >>378910328

People just think too deep into Spec Ops. It's not calling you a monster, it's calling Walker a monster. Kinda like when you read a book or watch a movie.

>>378910836
>arx fatalis
>1 child
>she's unkillable
>everyone else around you melts in your harm aura but one lone child can punch you to death no problem

>>378911520
I see, that's why it is trying to make me feel bad for playing their linear story via shaming me in the loading screens.

>>378911307
I liked how they made it where the only people saying nigger and the only time you saw confederate flags, was when it was "THE BAD WHITE RACIST GANG"

They always had Confederate flags on their cars and always said nigger nonstop

Most biased propoganda filled shit I've seen in years, god damn.

>>378911712
It's shaming Walker, whose role you're supposed to be playing.

It's like reading a book in second person.

>>378911346
Yes it can. You decided to use the white phosphorus, you massacred the civilians, all because you wanted the shooty-bang-bangs.

>>378911274
>you should stop trying to do X, and if you don't I'm going to kill you
>no I'm not going to explain it I don't really feel like talking anymore
>ugh, I can't believe you beat me, whatever
>wait you did X after I told you not to????????????????????????

>>378909542
That's not liberal logic, /pol/.

>>378911712

It wasn't though. It was making a commentary on how Walker was trying his best to be a hero when he didn't need to, and was committing atrocities in order to do it.

>>378911804
But the game doesn't allow an option to not use it.

inb4 just stop da game lol

>>378911346

>Wow all I wanted to do was commit small scale genocide in a desert country
>how dare this game make me feel like mass murder isn't something I should enjoy

really makes you think

>>378911857
To who? Is Walker playing the vidya at home?

Why is the game calling Walker "you"?

>>378911985
All I wanted to do is shoot the bad guys who shoot at me, anon.

Why are you guilting me as a monster?

>>378911307
The difference is that Django (like more Terantino flicks) was unapologetic in its entirety and everyone in the movie, blacks and whites, dropped N-bombs constantly while Mafia III just used Nigger as a means to make white people seem more racist than they actually are.

That, and Django isn't the first time that someone said "nigger" in one of Terantino's movies, though having said that, it's usually movies where Samuel Jackson is a character.

>>378912001
Spec Ops: The Line is not an RPG, you don't get choices and you don't play a role. It's telling a story, nothing more.

Stop reading too deep into it, don't be like this retard >>378911804

>>378912001

Why does "You" need to refer to the player? Why can't it refer to the characters in the story? It's being told from a second person perspective you dunce.

>>378910040
Fuck that game and its pretentious in your face bullshit.

>>378912076

Because killing people who are defending their home isn't something that should be encouraged

>>378911915
You could have stopped at any time.

>>378912125
Fuck you, faggot

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>>378911985
>fighting back against a rogue US Army unit trying to kill you
>Oy vey think of the holocausted desert people

>>378912125
It's a shallow puddle of a war story, anon. I'm just mocking the fags who think it's deep.
>>378912127
Because the loading screen doesn't speak to Walker.

>>378912127
yea because it's common sense that loading screen messages aren't available to the fucking characters of the game, so is Walker playing as himself as that anon pointed out?

>>378912252
I don't want to kill them, they just want to kill me.
>>378912265
Stop what?

The game doesn't end if you stop.

>>378912271

>Walker decided to investigate further when his only job was reconnaissance.
>After getting shot at, instead of pulling out of the sandstorm to report the situation, as he should have, he decides to go further in
>tries to be a hero by killing everyone

Walker was a fucking retard. He made every wrong choice possible.

>>378911334
Man these types of moments in games have been ruined for me. All I can think is BITCH why didn't you give me a fucking option?!?!?!1one

>>378911985
>>378911804
>Woah, you want to play the game you played money for? But can't you see you're not supposed to?

>>378912404
Ironically, he solves the clusterfuck by killing everyone.

The US Army should clone when they get back.

>>378912342
Yes it does. All you had to do was turn the game off and not give into your 100% completion autism

>>378912280
Do you also get angry at stories written in second person?

Yes, spec ops is a basic war story that's been done in literature a hundred times. You need to stop pretending that it attempted to be something else. You're not better than the idiots who think it's deep.

The game speaks to Walker and tells the story of Walker and how he fucked up.

The only message the game had is "Walker fucked up." Thats it. No need to read deeper into it.

>>378912492

Every problem in the world can be solved by killing everyone, so I guess we should just launch all the nukes right?

>>378912505
No, the story doesn't end, the game doesn't end.

You just stop playing the game, anon.

>>378912469
How bout you pay for something that doesn't glorify state-sponsored violence, cawwadooty faggot?

>>378912592

wow you are probably the dumbest person posting on 4chan right now

>>378912541
I don't, but it's hilarious fags are trying to make this game looks deep when it isn't.

Also, no, point to me some stories where they shame you just for reading it.

>>378912702
Point me to a game that shames you for playing it. And no, Spec Ops doesn't count because it doesn't do that and you're a retard for thinking so.

>>378912565
Nah, nukes doesn't kill everyone, so that's not a good way to go.

You need a way to crack the planet.

>>378908847
Have a bepsi

>it's a feel bad for killing shit game
Only Nier did that with me and succeeded
But only with Beepy

>>378912780
Spec Ops shames and guilts you just for playing it.

Look at the loading screen.

>>378912785

No you don't understand. US alone has enough warheads to end everything, either through the blast directly, nuclear fallout, or the nuclear winter that follows

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>>378912780
>Give me an example
>Except this one.
Not him but you're a fucking moron. If you still want an example Undertale if you decide to do a genocide route.

>>378912614
I have played, to date, 0 "cawwadooty" games, and got Spec Ops because I was told it had one of the best stories of the year.

And it does. However, on repeat playthroughs, it starts to fall apart, and you realize you actually had very few choices to make, including that most important one.

>>378912853
Nier is a good example, you kill characters with actual sympathetic personalities and have no choice but to do so.

Spec Ops just has you lol killing defenseless women and children whom you don't even know beforehands.

>>378912891
Russia has more warheads than US, but both arsenal combined do not actually guarantee a complete extinction of humanity.

>>378912864
>Spec Ops shames and guilts you just for playing it.
No, you idiot. It's telling a simple war story. Stop pretending it's something it isn't. You're reading too deep into it.

>>378912923
It's not an example because it doesn't count because it doesn't do that. And guilting you for choosing a route in a game with routes is not the same as guilting you for playing the game at all.

>>378912891
You only need about 100 nukes for that so a few countries are capable of that.

>>378913087
I'm not reading too deep into it, I'm reading the loading screens, anon.

Spec Ops story is shallow as a puddle.

>>378912469
Are you retarded? You missed the point entirely. Please read the post carefully.

>>378912956
That's the whole point, you idiot.

>>378907358
saved

>>378907449
a really shitty game. If I wanted to play duck, cover and shoot I'd play Gears of War

>>378913087
>simple war story
I'll take "Things Sociopaths Say About White Phosphorous" for 1000 Alex.

>>378906862
>game tells you that you feel bad when you are teabagging the dude you just killed during the dialogue

>>378913087
Flowey's existence amounts to guilt trip:
the character.

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>>378912923
>Undertale

>>378913186
The whole point about a game that criticizes your choices is realizing you don't have choices? I'm going to hope that the devs are less retarded than what you just implied.

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>>378910836
>BOSS, YOU KILLED A CHILD
>IM ABORTING THE MISSION
yeah, well, maybe because he was shooting a fucking automatic rifle at me you fucking moron

>>378913153
>Spec Ops story is shallow as a puddle.
Yes, I don't disagree with you here. So stop pretending that it's trying to shame the player or whatever the fuck else you think. It's a simple war story, the kinds that's been in movies and books since forever, attempting to portray the horrors of war and how people fuck up.

As I said, you're reading too deep into the loading screens. Just think of Spec Ops as a book written in second person. It would be ridiculous to think that a book is guilt tripping you into not reading it. Similarly, it's ridiculous to think that Spec Ops is guilt tripping you into not playing it, only retards think that.

>>378913557

It's not an RPG. You aren't making any choices. You are watching a character make choices.

Why is this so difficult for people? Just because it's a video games doesn't mean you have complete control of the narrative.

>>378912527
You tell me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xeGE_5kSI0

>>378913565

You can beat the living hell out of those kids though, and no one bats an eye.

>>378911506
>not wanting to be filled with Wrex cummies

>>378912891
nuclear winters arent real anon

>>378913583
Except it's trying to shame and guilt you exactly for playing it, as seen in the loading screens.

>Just think of Spec Ops as a book written in second person
Except Walker doesn't read the loading screen, you do.

>>378912271
>>378913565
>still using dead memes

Sad.

>>378913565
I don't think a game has ever made me want to kill african children more than MGSV.

>>378913791
Holy shit man, I don't understand what the fuck is wrong with you. This is not a hard concept to grasp.

At this point you're either just trolling or are an irredeemable retard.

Read a book.

>>378913793
>Sad.
irony

>>378913565
yeah a lot of people were talking how Kojima was taking MGSV in a darker direction and all that but it conveniently ignored how child soldiers are killed by adults

I'm not saying I want child killing simulator, but when you go into that theme, you wanna talk about the horrors of war, it just feels half assed when you ignore what really happens to those kids out in the field

>>378913565
>killing the child is wrong
>but beating them unconscious, beating them even further afterwards, and shooting them point blank with "non lethal" rounds is perfectly ok
>you can point blank beanbag a black kid in the face (which would probably shatter his skull and cause blindness/permanent brain damage)
>but snuffing them out is "too far"

>>378913767

They're totally possible, but since none have happened it remains only a theory. It works in the same way a volcanic winter would, a lot of soot being kicked up by huge firestorms.

We already know that massive clouds can form from large firestorms, it's just a matter of having the right conditions. And if over 10,000 nukes are detonated worldwide, chances are it would happen.

>>378913917
A book doesn't shame you for reading it, unlike Spec Ops the line.

So nah.

>>378913928
>loser trying to defend other dead meme-posting losers

Utterly pathetic.

>>378913960
>Mfw legit just wanted to kill the little african kids when I saw them in a cell because escort missions are such a god damn chore
>Mfw sure as shit, one of them fucking glitched and kept activating patrols EVERYTIME

Why couldn't I just ignore them fuck.

>>378914030
Spec Ops doesn't shame you for playing it. Reading a book might help you understand that.

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>>378910836
>both fallout 1 and 2 let you kill kids
>cut image for childkiller was a pregnant mother getting kicked in the stomach

>>378906862
What is Roc in Nier. Motherfucker attacked me first, don't give me that bullshit "abloobloobloo what did I ever do to deserve such a fate". Also being forced to kill the child shades who don't attack you. Only time I ever felt bad for doing what I did is the Aerie and Beepy

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>>378913917
but he's not reading too much into it, who is the loading screen message addressing? Walker? because that makes no sense at all

>>378911847
If you kill your enemies, they win.

>>378914106
But it does, look at the loading screens.

>Reading a book might help you understand that.
Book doesn't have loading screen that asks "Do you feel like a hero yet?"

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>>378912090
DEAD
NIGGER
STORAGE

>>378906862
>play through long game
>do all sidequests
>it tries to make you feel bad for several people by having the cliche "you get there just in time to hear their dying words and then they die in your either your arms or one of the mooks you had to accompany" except does this no less than 4 times.
seriously. the average was about once every 20 hours. Thats with 100%ing the game

>>378910838
>you used your powers to get popular!

I hardly did any side conversations, so I had no idea what she was talking about.

>>378911307
That wasn't a mafia game, they should have called it a different title.

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>>378909542

>>378908847
Red Shoe's movie posters

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>this amount of edgyness ITT

i knew 4chan was this bad. thank god for reddit

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>>378910836

>>378914581
Shit b8

>>378914202
>>378914247
Stop with the fucking loading screens, it only reveals your lack of understanding. The player is meant to read them, but they're not trying to shame the player.

They address Walker, but not directly. It doesn't mean he has to read them or anything. You can think of it like his conscience trying to tell him that he's fucked up. Or they may be an attempt to put you into Walker's frame of mind.

There's one thing to understand: The game is telling a linear story, like a movie would, or a book would. It's not an RPG, you don't get any choices or anything that could prompt the game to guilt trip you any more than a movie would.

>>378914614
>go into console command menu
>click on kid
>"disable"

>>378914661
See, you explained your reasoning without flipping out like an autist. Was thst so hard sweetie :^)

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>>378907358

>>378914661
>The player is meant to read them, but they're not trying to shame the player.
Except they are, asking me do I feel like a hero yet" sounds like shaming me alright.

>They address Walker, but not directly.It doesn't mean he has to read them or anything. You can think of it like his conscience trying to tell him that he's fucked up. Or they may be an attempt to put you into Walker's frame of mind.
Nigger what? Some of the loading screens are gameplay tips or address Walker on 3rd person.

>play game
>frustrated at every character in the game
>game conveniently gives you a 'fuck all yall im out' option

only good part about VTMB's ending.

>>378914794
I shouldn't have to, because this is basic shit. It's frankly surprising that you idiots don't get this point.

>>378914904
>Some of the loading screens are gameplay tips or address Walker on 3rd person.
So what? All games have loading screens relating to game tips and others related to the story.

The point of the game is to make the player feel like a piece of shit, but not to shame them for playing the game, but so you can get in the frame of mind that Walker is in and get an emotional response. So you can come out of the game and thing "Wow, Walker was a piece of shit," just like any movie or book would. This is not a hard concept to grasp.

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>>378909542
>kill a guy in a game
>Good job murdering that fucker

>>378915110
>So what? All games have loading screens relating to game tips and others related to the story.
So they addresses the player, not Walker.

>The point of the game is to make the player feel like a piece of shit, but not to shame them for playing the game
But it does though, it's directly asking you if you feel like a hero for playing the game.
>So you can come out of the game and thing "Wow, Walker was a piece of shit," just like any movie or book would.
As said, books and movies don't have loading screens that ask you if you feel like a hero yet for reading/watching them.

>>378906862
this thread reminds me that autism tends to hinder basic human empathy. Normal people connect with a stories' characters but autists cant grasp that and are genuinely confused why people are so attached to pixels.

Then again these are also the same people who get overly attached to waifus so who knows

>>378914661
Oh so his conscience is telling him "To kill for yourself is murder. To kill for your government is heroic. To kill for entertainment is harmless." Yeah that totally makes sense to be meant for him and is not only relevant as directed to the player, because he did all the murders because he was bored, sure.

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>devs fill game with endangered species of animal
>damn-near required to kill them for needed upgrades as difficulty progresses
>no incentive to refrain from murdering any and all wildlife

honestly you can kill white rhinos in this game, this shit is PRO POACHING.

>biocuck infinite
>"look at all the muh oppressed minorities"
>gee wow how unfortunate well i dont give care i didnt do it and i have shit to do
>"BUT WAIT, LOOK AT THE OPPRESSHIN"

>>378908847
Spec ops the line
>OMG HOW HORRIBLE YOU MOWED DOWN ALL THOSE CIVILIANS!1111!
>EVEN THOUGH YOU HAD TO DO THAT IN ORDER TO PROGRESS THROUGH THE GAME YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD DAMN IT!!!
>WHY AREN'T YOU FEELING BAD?!?!

it's honestly the most forced message in vidya that I ever experienced

>>378913087
Didn't the devs literally say "Well, you can just stop playing" as being the "right" thing to do in response to people getting mad over the whole trying to make the player feel bad thing?

>>378915424
That looks like self defense, anon.

>>378915573
surprised people even bothered to play it when better TPS games were available tbqh

>>378913840
African child soldiers are rarely talked topic at all.

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>>378915645
yeah the wildlife is comically aggressive and totally kills the ambiance of the game in favor of making it goofy. i hope they tone it down in FC6.

>>378912527
>Who do you think writes these games?
Sonic and MLP fanfiction writers?
Everyone who ends up writing for videogames is simply a hack.
Don't know why americucks need to force their pointless political fights into literally every single aspect of your lives.

>>378915652
I played it once.

Once.

I rejoin the US army at the end. Feels like a boss.

>>378915795
>Kony

>>378915652
I would have passed it up if it wasn't for its legions of fans proclaiming it to be "da best thing evar".

Instead I got pseudo intellectual garbage.

>>378915312
The player is playing as Walker, so of course anything with "you" in it is addressing the player, but it's also addressing Walker through the player.

The game is trying to put you in Walkers mind and tell a story, in an attempt to make you feel like a piece of shit to try to transmit some emotions to you. It can do this because you're actually playing, instead of passively reading. They intentionally blur the line between "you" and "Walker" to try to get some kind of emotional reaction out of you.

>books and movies don't have loading screens
Wow man, talking to you is pointless, so I'm going to stop here. Once again I recommend you read some books so you can at least try to understand what Spec Ops was trying to achieve.

>>378915391
If you wanted to make a point, you should have posted the quote: "The US military does not condone the killing of unarmed combatants. But this isn't real, so why should you care?" since it seems to point more in your direction

But once again, this is an attempt by the devs to make you feel bad, but not to shame you about playing the game, but about what Walker is doing.

>game is based on historical setting
>you can hunt now extinct species to feed your hungry army

>>378915847
Protip: it's not JUST americucks.

It's frenchcucks and canucks and germancucks.

>>378915381
I think you're confused anon. The people who are more likely to be attached to waifus are the autists who feel more attachment towards pixels than actual people.

>>378908847
Bioshock Infinite has all the Blacks turn into murderous hoards as soon as you give them an inch. It actually feels like they were afraid of loosing the /pol/ audience
Far Cry 4 goes so far out of its way to avoid being a power fantasy/white savior story that it ends up being pro-dictatorship. Everything you try to do to help the people backfires and it's pretty unambiguous that leaving Min in power would be the best option. Both rebel leaders descents into evil are unconvincing and ham handed. The best way to see this is to side with one of them at every opportunity then betray them when you have to choose which one to kill

>>378915847
>>>/pol/

>>378915949
>fuck off with your politics
>WOW YOU ARE /pol/
Autismo.

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>>378906862
Fallout 3 tried this with me. Probably a lot of people actually. I'm literal WASTELAND FUCKING JESUS and it tells me I'm a bad person at the end. Pissed me off more than anything.

On a side note; Infamous actually succeeded when I decided to do an evil playthrough first. When I got to the big reveal at the end I just sat there feeling like shit and that lasted about a week.

>>378914661
>>378914904

I just wanna address this as well.

A lot of people get hung up on the white phosphorus scene which you do get railroaded into. It's a fair point but there are actual choices in the game I feel that do warrant the "You're not as good of a person as you think". Such as the lynching, or the easy to miss part where a civilian runs around the corner in the mall's shanty town only to get gunned down if you're too quick on the trigger. Also sandboarding but man, there was no right choice there. These moments actually frame the players psyche more than anything, the WP incident is just a plot device to further the story. Also I'm pretty sure that some people actually did forget what they were doing there in the first place since that shit goes from rescue mission to survive in 2.0 holy fucks.

>Either way my face at the end of it all

>>378915949

>people will go here if I post it

>>378915923
>The player is playing as Walker, so of course anything with "you" in it is addressing the player, but it's also addressing Walker through the player.
What, that doesn't make sense? I play Walker, Walker doesn't play me.
>The game is trying to put you in Walkers mind and tell a story, in an attempt to make you feel like a piece of shit to try to transmit some emotions to you. It can do this because you're actually playing, instead of passively reading.
But you don't feel bad for playing the game, you feel bad for reading the loading screens. The game is just a generic action game.
>Once again I recommend you read some books so you can at least try to understand what Spec Ops was trying to achieve.
A shallow ass war story that shames the player?

>>378909542
c'mon /pol/ the only one believes that is mentally ill idealists

>>378915923
>But once again, this is an attempt by the devs to make you feel bad, but not to shame you about playing the game, but about what Walker is doing.
And how is the quote you posted meant to do that exactly?

>>378915845
Why?
I love my video games feeling like ridiculous vidya gaems.
Realism has taken enough of its tithes of fun.

>>378916106
It's an attempt to get players to feel the shame that Walker should be feeling but doesn't, so the contrast can be used to point out how Walker is fucked up.

>>378916090
Look the point is that spec ops the line is a critique against players who wan't to play modern military shooters. But the game sets up a straw man and seems like it's critiquing itself. It's disingenuous and anyone who thinks its "deep" can't think for themselves.

>>378916090
>A shallow ass war story
Yes.
>that shames the player?
No.

>>378914785
Oh yeah that's totally satisfying.

>>378913583
Anon even the developers adressed how the game is meta bullshit in some interviews, why are you trying si hard to spin shit this way?

>>378916390
How does it not shame the player. It's shaming walkers actions for wanting to be the hero. Walker mirrors how the average gamer wants to be the hero when playing videogames. Anyone who doesn't think it's critiquing gamers are fucking idiots.

>>378916390
But it does shame the player, look at the loading screens.
>>378916245
What? It's directly telling you to feel bad because you are killing for entertainment.

Walker doesn't kill for entertainment, he kills for fucking survival.

>>378916245
>It's an attempt to get players to feel the shame
Ok so just to be clear, we a moving the goalpost from "the loading screen are not meant to the player but walker and the game is no trying to shame" to "is totally trying to shame you b-but for the sake of a cathartic experience guys"

>>378916554
There's a difference between critiquing modern action shooters and "shaming the player for playing the game"

>>378916000
None of these fucking actions mean anything, some of are just fucking accidental.

Nobody's going to blame you for having trigger finger on a nigger with a toy gun, except liberals of course.

>>378916334
All Spec Ops did really well was add context and personalities to the people you were shooting. I find it hard to play a game where it's just "Shoot the brown people or kill these dudes." Haven't seen a lot of games like that anymore though, so that's a good thing.

>>378916639
No, no goalposts have been moved. The initial thesis was "The game is attempting to shame the player for playing the game." To which the answer is no. The game is attempting to get you to feel bad for Walker's actions.

>>378916646
That's shaming fucking people who play the games.

>>378916646
No, it's shaming the people who play those games. You're fucking retarded

>>378916826
No, and the fact that you can't tell the difference is a problem.

>>378916765
Except one loading screen suggests you to stop playing the game.

Bingo.

>>378916765
Dunno senpai
>>378914661
>they're not trying to shame the player.
>>378916245
>It's an attempt to get players to feel the shame
Feels pretty goalpost moving-ish

>>378916870
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=915FESKzjWM
watch this video and tell me "this isn't talking directly to the player. The devs even said that this was a critique against the gamers who play the game. Stop being retarded

>>378916958
>Feels pretty goalpost moving-ish
That's because you suck at reading.

>>378916870
It directly addresses and shames people who just want to shoot the bad guys i.e. people who play the games.

>>378916739
The only thing wrong with shooting brown people is being so close you get caught in the blast radius when they blow up.

>>378917045
Or you are just trying to spin shit.

>>378916738
I kindly disagree. I mean, if anything it shows you aren't taking your time to think things through all the way. The lynching part for example, I didn't realize you could fire your gun in the air to disperse the mob.

I do agree with you though that no one should blame you. Like I said, it went from rescue to survival in a hurry with little time to adjust fully and the game does throw curveballs when you least expect it.

Point is it's a framing device overall to put you into the state of mind Walker is in. You get put into a situation like that and you're gonna have a few lapses in judgement too but who the fuck can blame you?

>>378917045
Or optionally you can't keep your bullshit about the loading screens not being meant for the player and you have to use mental gymnastic to justify the game shaming the player with just being for the sake of immersion into the mind of the character and not being... what it literally is, the loading screen shaming the player for playing the game

>>378916903
Which one?

Here's all of them, to help you:

>How many Americans have you killed today?
>There is no difference between what is right and what is necessary.
>If you were a better person, you wouldn't be here.
>It's time for you to wake up.
>Squad commands are unavailable when you're alone. No one can help you now.
>You are still a good person.
>Can you even remember why you came here?
>This is all your fault.
>Do you feel like a hero yet?
>To kill for yourself is murder. To kill for your government is heroic. To kill for entertainment is harmless.
>White phosphorous is a common allotrope used in your slaughter at the Gate. It can set fire to soldiers and the innocent civilians they are trying to help.
>It's Konrad. He did it. All of it.
>Cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling caused by holding two conflicting ideas simultaneously.
>You cannot understand, nor do you want to.
>The US military does not condone the killing of unarmed combatants. But this isn't real, so why should you care?
>We cannot escape anguish. It is what we are.
>If Lugo were still alive, he would likely suffer from PTSD. So, really, he's the lucky one.

Holy shit you people are morons, The Line is satire. They had to crank it to 11 to make sure that there was no doubt that what you were doing (both the player and the character) was both bad and wrong. It was a criticism of the highly violent, yet glib and willfully disingenuous, war/combat shooters that were, and still are, highly popular. War is bad, killing is bad, fucking with other people's shit is generally bad, but whether you believe these things can be justified or not, Call of Duty and games like it are doing the understanding and comprehension of them a disservice.

>>378916739
that would be fine if that's all it did. But it had to go "YOU should be bad for doing this because you CHOSE to do this" when I didn't choose shit!

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>>378906862
>game tries to make you feel bad
>it succeeds

>>378917049
As a brown man I chortled heartily.

>>378917294
Here's the rest:

>Adams blames Walker for Lugo's death. It's his fault they didn't leave Dubai when they had the chance.
>Walker's obsession with Konrad has brought nothing but destruction - to Dubai and his squad.
>There is no escape.
>Life begins at the other side of despair.
>No one can help you now.
>Collateral damage can be justified, if the gain outweighs the cost. How much do you think Adams and Lugo are worth?
>Freedom is what you do with what's been done to you.
>I exist and I find it nauseating.
>Walker and Adams have served together for many years.
>You can't go home.
>If the Radioman now speaks for the 33rd, then what happened to Konrad?

>>378917294
Maybe Wikipedia is not a flawless source of information

>>378917296
sure wars bad, But I refuse to believe that games about war are inherently bad. Why is it when bill o'reilly shames violent video games we fucking hate him, but when a game says that violent war shooters are bad, we praise it as the "best game ever made"?

>>378917283
>the loading screen shaming the player
Yes
>for playing the game
No

This is the crucial difference you fail to grasp.

>>378917621
>SHAMING THE PLAYER FOR DOING THINGS YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO IN THE GAME DOESN'T EQUAL THE GAME SHAMING YOU FOR PLAYING THE GAME!!1!
that's what you sound like.

>>378917745
We already went over this. Stop acting like a retard.

>>378917294
>>If you were a better person, you wouldn't be here.
Here you go.

>>378917294
>>The US military does not condone the killing of unarmed combatants. But this isn't real, so why should you care?
Because it isn't real? do I care about fictional terrorist groups in action movies? no I don't. This game sounds incredibly pretentious.

>>378917621
That's exactly what those quotes do, if the quote is just to make you realize how bad the action of the character is, there is zero need for them pointing out how is just a game and you shouldn't care

MGS2 did virtually everything Spec Ops set out to do, but vastly better and correctly.

>>378917259
>I mean, if anything it shows you aren't taking your time to think things through all the way. The lynching part for example, I didn't realize you could fire your gun in the air to disperse the mob.
Does the game allow you that?

Either ways, the mob is killing your bros, I don't think it's bad to just kill them and save your bros.

>>378917852
and we already been over that you are wrong. Your intellectual dishonesty truly baffles me.

>>378917603
>Why is it when bill o'reilly shames violent video games we fucking hate him, but when a game says that violent war shooters are bad
The message is different. Bill O'Reilly or Thompson or Clinton or whoever say these games are all kinds of bad and want them banned or restricted.

Spec Ops, on the other hand, says that modern shooters glorify war and that in reality it's pretty shit. They also don't call for banning or restricting the medium.

>>378917852
No, we haven't been over this, and it's you who should stop being a retard.

>>378918139
It does that by shaming the people who play games.
>Spec Ops, on the other hand, says that modern shooters glorify war and that in reality it's pretty shit.
What are some modern shooters that glorify war?

inb4 CoD
Tell me how CoD glorifies war.

>>378917942
Because the game wants an emotional response from the player, instead of simply stating "This character is bad."

It's trying to be clever, whether it achieves that or fails at it is up for discussion, but that's beside the point.

>>378918139
yeah but those are fucking video games. It's not real. It's not parading for a fucking war, it's meant for shooting bad guys and dumb fun.

Spec ops says that those games are glorifying war when they really aren't. it's a strawman.

>>378918291
Oh boy, I just realized what kind of intellectual giant I'm talking to here. Sorry for wasting your time.

>>378918298
What emotional response?

The game directly addresses you and tells you it's bad that you are killing for entertainment.

How does this relate to the main character who kills for survival?

>>378918061
Yes. Yes it does.

After what happened over the course of the game though with the water and the WP? I'd be pretty pissed too, so I understood why he was being lynched, though I didn't like it. But this game does provide good context as to why bad shit happens.

>>378918463
So...no argument?

>>378911334
Chuckled at that part, her voice acting and how quickly she fell down made that feel like a bad joke.

>>378918463
that wasn't me... who would have thunk it, there are more than one people on an anonymous imageboard.

This is my responce >>378918410,

also the fact that you resort to ad hominum proves that you only argue with emotion.

>>378918570
It would be a waste of time to argue against someone of your intellectual capacity.

>>378918545
I never tried that because I didn't really care for the durka durkas.

>>378918298
>Because the game wants an emotional response from the player
By shaming the player for playing a game that (in the surface) glorifies war and criminally trivialize murder

>>378918649
I already tried arguing with logic and it proved pointless, so I'm done. Entering captchas has become tiring.

>>378918657
Oh, okay.

>>378918657
another ad hominid attack. Wow so Intellectual. I bet you went to a fucking ivy league school.

I really fucking hate games that try to shame the player for shit that the devs decided were bad no matter what.

Like excuse the fuck outta me for not going gay for your special snowflake character but do I really deserve bad boy points for letting him down easy?

>>378909542

>tfw playing Tales of Berseria and spending every moment filled with dread because i'm afraid it'll pussy out at the end like this

>>378918753
Please tell your logic, because it doesn't make sense.

>the game doesn't shame the player!
>oh wait, it actually does, but this is meant to get an emotional reaction from the player by Walker's fucked up actions
>b-but the game just tries to criticize modern shooters for glorifying war!
>but you are just an idiot

>>378918753
>*someone dissagrees with you*
>wow this guy must be anti intellectual and fucking retarded
now how about backing your opinion instead of just proclaiming that we are idiots?

>>378918830
You know, you should give Army Of Two: The 40th Day a shot. Choices actually have consequences. That final one is a bitch though. Be sure to co-op it for maximum what the fuck.

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>>378918664

>>378919002
Damn shame that's not on PC.

>>378918885
I don't feel like starting this over. I think you're wrong but I'm too tired to restate my point, so I'm going to exit this conversation by stating that I think you're wrong and go do something productive, like playing table tennins against a brick wall or something. I stopped arguing with you a while ago.

>>378907358
Really makes you stink

>>378915914
Apparently doing a shallow imitation of a hundred year old book is enough for some people

>>378906862
>game tries to be fun
>makes you feel bad

>>378919090
I tried. If you get a chance at some point in the future give it a go. Worth the jankiness.

>>378919101
OK, anon, quit while you still can because no way you are going to argue out of this mess of a story.

>>378919101
but you are still in this thread reading the replies, It's fine that you gave up defending your opinion. It just proves that it's wrong.

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>>378919101
Not him but
>I have run out of logical reasons to oppose your argument, but here's one more quip so I can maintain the high ground while offering nothing of substance to the argument.
FTFY

Next time, just say you were wrong and apologize.

>>378919156
Except Heart of Darkness doesn't shame the reader for reading it, so it's better by default.

Imagine if by half way reading HoD, you get a blank page with a phrase "If you are better person, you wouldn't be here".

>>378906862
Kotor II Dark Side

Tactics Ogre I thought had one of the best decision making things in a video game. I chose to slaughter all those fucking slaves for not wanting to rise up. I didn't feel too bad, but I found it interesting seeing all the people the decision effected

>>378914275

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEdBeyXGZ94

>>378910642
I just ooze it, careful now

>>378919182
>>378919245
I just wanted you to know that your arguments in no way managed to win this argument so you don't go thinking that you have a point or anything.

>>378919263
Well, I would say I was wrong and apologize if I actually believed I was wrong, but the thing is that I think you're wrong.

>>378915947
i replayed infinite recently and its totally intentional that the rebels just go on a killing spree. its to show how naive elizabeth is about wanting to help them.

>>378919368
Tactics Ogre I would agree yeah.

The game is kinda broken but the story is kinda interesting.

Funny how japs have been writing good war stories better than westerners since the old days.

>>378919441
why haven't our arguments won though? because you say so? if it's that easy then I say that we won.

>>378909383
>Racism is bad theme
>The oppressed race are violent retarded degenerates

>>378919441
OK, say enough?

Either argue or get lost, loser.

>>378919441
You know that nobody in the thread agrees with you right? I'm not saying you are wrong because of that, obviously that's nonsense, but at the very least you are terrible at making your point and making other people agree with you, next time invest more points in CHA; but more importantly, you are totally and 100% making every other anon feel right about their opinion of the line and you sure just make them feel like the totally won the argument, you acting like a little bitch is more reassuring than you going "y-you didn't win"

>>378919441
Fun Fact: Most idiots think they're the smartest person in the room and everyone else is the idiot for disagreeing with them.

The more you know.

>>378915424
Is that FC4?

>>378919567
Yeah I wish the gameplay was better. It was fairly fun at first but then I came to the swift realization that melee classes dont really do much of anything and that the fights are actually really easy. The plot world and decisions are enough to keep me going But good lord if it wasnt the most tedious fucking crafting system ever made

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>>378915424
>endangered species is in game
>herd gets thinner every time you see it the more of them you kill
>you get an achievement for hunting them to extinction

>>378919604
You can think whatever you want. If winning means that I walked away, sure, you won. But if winning means that you changed my mind, well no, you haven't won because this is the level of arguments on your side: >>378919321

>>378919659
Yeah, I can see this from this thread. Idiots are also numerous.

I read about Spec Ops on /v/ beforehands so I just play it the most edgy way possible.

>>378907358
why does it have a 3rd hand

>>378919441
Look, I don't care if games want to critique war. In fact i say go for it. But what I find bullshit and hypocritical are games that say "you should feel bad because you play games that glorify war!", when it's a game that glorifies itself for being anti war. Just sayin.

>>378919771
And you acting like a bitch changed how many minds again?

>>378919791
All the way to the end like a good boy
You must be very proud of yourself for defying the expectations of absolutely fucking no-one.

>>378919771
well I haven't changed my mind either so you lost in that way also. Also that's guilt by association, I didn't make that post so you can't really discredit me with it. I feel like I'm arguing with a toddler...

>>378908763
wow kill yourself

>>378919771
What's wrong with that argument, btw?

>>378919879
No one? At least I'm not pretending I won the argument.

>>378919916
>I feel like I'm arguing with a toddler...
At least you know how I feel.

>>378919791

Same and it actually made me enjoy it more to be honest.

That moment with the lynch mob is one of the choices though I had never heard of though but when I got to that moment I realized the game was going to let me shoot into the air to disperse the crowd. I chose not too and killed them all. Much darker experience.

>>378919891
I just play for the enjoyment, anon.

I just like gibbing the shit out of everything.

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>>378906862
>game tries to make you feel bad
>it works
recommend me some games that do this. I want to go on a feel trip.

>>378920067
Visual novels in general.

Fucking Crescendo.

>>378920017
Yeah you did pretend you won the argument.>>378919441

>>378920017
No, you are just pretending high ground, even when you only have stupid comeback when people point out the fallacies in your post

>>378919891

Video games aren't irl. Playing as a villain can be fun. I knew the game was going to paint Walker that way from the start so I embraced it and let myself enjoy what the game was trying to do instead of being a crybaby about it.

>>378920067
bastion

>>378920178
Can't really point out fallacies if I'm not making an argument. But whatever makes you feel better, I guess.

>>378920017
We are saying we won the argument because you gave up in defending your opinion. If you don't defend it it's worthless

>>378907449
Why do people act like this game is special again? I bought it once and played it for like 6 hours before never touching it again.

>>378920343
you are arguing that you aren't arguing right now.

>>378920343
for the past 10 minutes you have been trying to tell us that you gave up on arguing, but you're still here.

>the character it wants you to feel sorry for is black
AHAHAHAHA

>>378920361
Sure.

I mean, I'll concede that you won this argument because I stopped defending my point, but you're still wrong.

>>378920591
Well yeah, I'm still in this thread for game recommendations. This isn't a Spec Ops exclusive thread.

Just because I stopped arguing with you doesn't mean I'm done with the thread.

>>378920730
yet you still reply

>>378920730
>I stopped arguing with you
You sure haven't stop replying

>>378910453
hey ben
see ya

>>378920638
In your mind I'm wrong. But for everyone else here I'm right. You are being real stubborn right now.

>>378920767
>>378920793
Sure, I don't actually have anything better to do at the moment.

>>378920826
>I don't actually have anything better to do at the moment.
You do, and is pretty sad that you are doing this instead

>>378915898
That was just kids looking for an excuse to throw up flyers and share bad dubstep. The biggest talking heads behind that didn't even give a fuck about it, they did it for attention

>>378920887
>You do
What?

>>378920826
why can't you just own up and say that your opinions are shit? you obviously don't care about them enough to defend them.

>>378907358
nice

>>378920984
Because they aren't. My opinions are right and I care about them. I don't care enough about you to continue defending them, though.

>>378921069
You sure seem to care enough about him to tell him how totally right you are.

>>378921069
Ok, then why are you still replying. If you aren't going to contribute to the thread then don't post anything at all.

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>game tries to give you a positive message
>makes you want to kill yourself instead

>>378921069
wow, you are really fucking autistic

>>378921251
Because you're still replying to me?

>>378921416
Because you are trying to sound above it all when you are really being a dumb ass and not owning up to you being wrong.

>>378921416

retard

>>378921634
At this point, I am above it all. You just can't walk away until I admit that you convinced me, can you?

>>378921647
moron

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All this talk about Spec Ops reminded me the the Lonesome Road dlc for New Vegas tried something similiar.

>you can leave at any time, but you won't
>you're curious, it's in your nature

and later when the only way through is to launch an old dormant nuke

>you just set off an ancient weapon of mass destruction when you could have just left
>you should feel bad

and even later when ED-E gets taken from you and is going to be used to launch even more nukes

>you walked right into my trap
>shoulda left faggot

Yes I'm totally gonna leave and never finish the fucking content I paid like ten bucks for, totally a valid moral choice you're giving me here you mumbling fuck.

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>game doesn't try to make you feel bad
>but it happens anyway

>>378921815
No, just want you to waste your time and admit that you are being retarded.

>>378922037
I'm already wasting my time on my own. Your's too.

>>378918291
Even though that guy is 100% right, let me waste my time to explain it to your shitposting ass
>Lots of cool set pieces make war seem like a cool thriller
>Protag kills lots of bad guys with no moral thought about the fact that these guys are drafted just like you
>Clear good guy/bad guy, therefore you (and by association the army) are glorious heroes and not average joes
>Get to use impractical weapons that have lots of neat explosions to satisfy your average Michael Bay viewer
And Im pro gun. Stop pretending to be retarded. CoD glorifies war and that's exactly how the US army likes it.

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>>378917323
>>378920067

Witcher 3 is one of the only games to consistently manage that. The trick is to actually give the player's a choice.

>>378910453
Kenny fags are the worst. You all would be Ben in the apocalypse. He tried his best and he messed up like everyone would. Kenny is literally crazy but people still side with him cause "muh bro"

>>378922275
>Lots of cool set pieces make war seem like a cool thriller
And?
>Protag kills lots of bad guys with no moral thought about the fact that these guys are drafted just like you
You have a lot of moments where you realize the enemies are just like you i.e. CoD2 or World of War.
>Clear good guy/bad guy, therefore you (and by association the army) are glorious heroes and not average joes
Your only point, but this doesn't necessarily glorify wars, it just means some wars are worth fighting for.
>Get to use impractical weapons that have lots of neat explosions to satisfy your average Michael Bay viewer
Weapons are cool, news at 11. Doesn't glorify war either.
>And Im pro gun. Stop pretending to be retarded. CoD glorifies war and that's exactly how the US army likes it.
Wait, the US army uses CoD as a recruitment tool? I thought we have America's Army for that?

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>5 years later
>Spec Ops fags are still defending that shitty story since there's nothing impressive or fun about the gameplay

>>378922821
>World at War*

>>378922821
>Shrugs off first point even though it's completely valid (thrillers glorify war rather than portray it as the gruesome shitshow it is)
>Brings up older CoD which were competent rather than the new ones which are the problem and the ones that Spec Ops was calling out
>Doesn't know the US Army literally sponsors the game despite all the commercials
Yeah, no fuck off. That guy was right. You're baiting for answers and/or are underage.

spec ops the line is just a pretentious game trying to make itself seem like literature by making you feel guilt or some lasting emotion from the actions it hamfists you into taking. the difference is that in actual literature you are drawn a distinct line between yourself and the character. in a game where you actually have to play as the character, not so much

>>378921872
All you're doing is proving him right, faggot

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So, Undertale.
Did having a choice in the matter give make that game better? Ignoring the poorly written judgement segment, cause that's certified shit.

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>>378906862
>ctrl+f "undertale"
>only two results
Fucking really? The game is even worse than Spec Ops for pathologizing rational and natural human behavior.

>>378923994
My point is, having payed for this shit "the only winning move is to not play" is a load of horseshit.

>>378911307
>not liking the overuse of nigger in tarantino movies

someone throw this guy to the dead nigga storage

>>378920253
I felt pretty good about Bastion.

>>378924031
1. Most /v/irgins have never played Undertale
B. No shit, it was so garbage it's not even worth mentioning
III. That's not even the point of UT anyway, it was about character relationships, not about "Ur so evil cause you kill people who are trying to attack you." That's a perfectly valid way to play the game, and it shows. The only person who comes down on you for not sparing anyone is Toriel, a couple of shopkeeps and Sans.

>>378911781
Would you have preferred for them to throw in an occasional "cuck"?

life is strange, all of it.

>MGS3
>Struggle to beat The Boss
>Frustrated when I finally win
>Pull the trigger without hesitation
>"She actually let you win! She sacrificed her life and reputation for the sake of the world!"
>BULLSHIT, SHE KEPT BEATING THE SHIT OUT OF ME AND KILLING ME. FUCK THAT BITCH
>Still got goosebumps hearing EVA's explanation and seeing Snake at her grave
I appreciated the twist later. It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense for her to be able to actually kill you. Of course, that's necessary gameplay and story segregation.

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Was I supposed to feel bad in SOTC? I mean, the Colossi were awesome and it sucks that they had to die, but the only reason to believe that Wander really did anything wrong is because Emon says so, and considering he's an authority figure from the people that sacrificed Mono, I'm not too trusting of him. Dormin may look spooky, but he seems like an alright guy. He warns Wander that he'll have to make a big sacrifice for something that "may not be impossible", says he's "borrowing" Wander's body, not taking it, and keeps his end of the bargain by reviving Mono.

>>378924031
>pathologizing rational and natural human behavior
Ehhh, it kinda doesn't because you can do non-lethal runs by beating up enemies into submission before they surrender, but that's really boring and the game only mentions that mechanic once.

>>378915573
>this

I get what they were going for, but when you want to start a dialogue about ethics you need to give the player some choice, so there was an alternative option the player COULD take instead of the violent option.

Instead this game forces you to play a generic linear shooter whilst forcing commentary down your throat about how the ethics of linear shooters is all kinds of fucked. At the end of the day the message was handled really poorly.

>>378924780
I think you were supposed to feel a bit bitter, because Wander gives up a lot to revive her. Also I kinda just felt empty after beating SotC.

SpecOps was released when cod was at its peak, so it makes sense all that guilt tripping when most of the target audience was "fuck yeah, lets just blow them out and shit".

>>378910836
not even in the scope of video games the taboo on children being harmed is ridiculous

>>378924790
>what is the toriel fight
I know what u did :^)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

>>378922726
>He tried his best and he messed up like everyone would.

He acts like you're the asshole if you save him and just bitches constantly after that. He doesn't even thank you, just says "thanks" sarcastically. Fuck him.