PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>378887551
If I remember correctly he also hates the games they've made for it.

The books arent groundbreaking, but they are not THAT bad either...

>>378887619
Of course he does.

>>378887619
Games are 1000x more successful and better written than whatever he came up with.

Isn't that like a billion dollars in Poland?

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>>378887551
he was a small, almost nationally local author in fucking Poland
how was he to know?

>>378887773
>more successful
Sure.
>better written
I haven't read the book but the Witcher game series has very overrated writing, and III itself is a generic 8/10 game heralded as a 11/10 masterpiece for no reason.

>>378887691
they were a niche series which was pretty much unknown outside of it's country of origin before the games

>>378887551
He's gonna be making bank off the TV show now, though.

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>>378887872
Proof Slavs aren't white
Meanwhile Based GRR Martin is making millions off the show

>>378887912
>I haven't read the book
the books are terrible compared to the games. yes, whatever you think of the games, the books are even worse

>>378887912
>the Witcher game series has very overrated writing
Same goes for books, except the games are less fedora.

>>378887872
>how was he supposed to know
It's called royalties

>>378887912
Vidja writing has a very, very low bar so people curve their evaluation of it upwards.

>>378887619
is there any writer that actually like adaptations of their work, especially if they weren't directly involved

>>378887912
>generic
>8/10
You are the problem.

>>378887551
thanks to cd project his genre fiction sold more than it ever did before they came along

>>378888225
Metro author, but I think he was involved.

>>378887872
>>378888142

They offered him royalties, from what I hear. He declined and asked for the lump sum.

Man, no wonder he's bitter.

>>378887551
Well no wonder he's been acting like a fucking child in the interviews about the witcher and CDPR

Videogames are big business. You could easily get a few million from shovelware devs if your book is slightly popular.

>>378888332
No, the game is just very generic. It brings nothing new or special to the table. At all. It doesn't deserve the constant frothing by fanboys claiming it's a 11/10 masterpiece GOAT.
That being said, it's still a solid game. Just not what fanboys claim it to be.

>>378888438
>declined royalties
Holy shit what an idiot. He has no one to blame but himself.

>>378888225
Lev Grossman has a high opinion of the Magicians series published by ScyFy even tho it deviates so much it could be based on another book, he basically sees it as the equivalent of a one-shot in comics, an alternate story set in a similar universe

>>378888410
The Metro author is also in his mid-30s while the Witcher author is some crotchety old man.

With the buzz around his obscure as fuck series, he'll probably make a shit ton from that tv show.

>>378887912
The Witcher games are considered masterpiece writing because the bar is that fucking low for video games. But a game doesn't need good writing to be good, it's just a bonus for The Witcher.

>>378888142
he could've went for that but he didn't believe the games would be successful afaik

>>378887551
we this same thread every day here
please stop

Golly-gee, it's almost like millenials would rather play a "activate your batman sense and mash keys" simulator over reading books!

>>378888438
He did it all to himself. Sure there's no way to know if the adaptation would take off but even so he took a VERY small buyout for his IP.

??
If he didn't sell it to CDPR who knows if Witcher would be as popular as it is now? Both won in this. They made The Witcher popular and people probably bought his books.

>>378888662
Still mad your Gothic vs Witcher thread didn't take off today?

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>>378887619
Yeah, because he think the games has lost him sales

He took the deal with the higher expected value at the time, most of the time the game devs would have failed and he probably ends up with nothing. He just needs to not be butthurt at CDPR and thank them for all the wonderful marketing they've given his series.

>>378888225
Stephen King believed that The Mist had a better ending in the movie than it did in his book.

>>378888438

Yes. They offered him a deal that would have been more than fair, but he thought hat since his books sold like shit the video games would too. so instead he asked for more initial money and no royalties and they said sure. Now millions of dollars later he realizes it was a mistake.

He acknowledges that he was stupid though, and the articles about his just have click-bait titles that make it seem like he's bitter or it was an unfair deal. In reality he was offered two different deals, he chose the one with the lump sum, and he doesn't hold ill will against them for the fact that he made the wrong decision.

>>378888804
The game literally is responsible for doubling his sales

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>>378887551
I thought they said they were no longer making any Witcher games? If they own the full rights, why would they not?

>>378888758
This. How many people actually knew about the witcher before the 1st game?

>>378888438
>he declined
That's my point. It's Mc Donalds all over again

>>378888749
He took a small buyout from a small new company in poland that had never made a game. He couldn't exactly sell it for a lot of shekels, and he surely had no other offers.

But yeah, not getting royalties was a dumbass move. Still, I hope he gets some dosh from the netflix series. With Black Geralt. .

>>378888225
Grrm has a very good opinion of the show

Just out of curiosity what's the average that people sell their books rights to games/tv/movies?

9500$ seems okay for series that no one hasn't heard of

>>378887551
How stupid can one be? He deserves worse desu.

>>378888225
Terry Pratchett pretty much wrote the Discworld adventure games back in the day, and gave a lot of praises to the Discworld MUD before even that.

>>378888880
Because they respect the material enough not to make it into a garbage yearly franchise, I guess.

>>378887619
No
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-03-24-meeting-andrzej-sapkowski-the-writer-who-created-the-witcher

>He doesn't begrudge CD Projekt Red's accomplishments all the same. In many ways he couldn't have asked for a better studio. Credit where credit is due. "The game is made very well," he says, "and they merit all of the beneficiaries they get from it. They merit it. The game is very good, well done, well done."

>The game is very good, well done, well done."

>>378887912
The books are fucking shit. Ciri is constantly almost getting raped then bailed out by ridiculous deus ex machina. At one point she's about to get raped and a fucking Unicorn, which in universe are extinct, pops into existence out of nowhere and rescues her because unicorns like chastity right?

The books suck.

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>>378888662
>"activate your batman sense
>mfw zelda has no batman sense
>and it includes directions with actual landmark references when it gives quests
>nobody on /v/ ever mention this, despite bitching about witcher and skyrim and other open world games not having that

>>378888901
Well is a little different. Sure they had a super nice deal at the start, but when they said no, they got strong armed into a shitty deal.

>>378889068
He's probably softened up, but some interviews do make him sound like a bitter old man. If he's lightened up, then all the better.

>>378889068
>well done, well done
But, but however?

>>378889151
>>ciri almost getting raped

Yeah i would also hate the books if it constantly cock teased me.

>>378888880
I wonder who's behind this post.

>>378888569
You're missing the point, retard. Anon is calling you out for saying 8/10=generic. You don't seem to understand what a scale of 1-10 is, because the halfway point of 5/10 would be "generic"

>>378887551

Do they mention he didn't even have the rights to sell at the time? That he'd already sold them to another company? CDPR had to purchase that company to protect themselves from litigation. It wound up costing them a lot more than $9,500 and he pretty much got $9,500 for fucking nothing. Who's laughing now?

tl;dr version
>1997
>a literal fan I know who comes for a Witcher meetings wants to make a game based on it
>implying it'll sell
>no royalties, better take $4000
>game gets cancelled after all
>called it
>2000s
>another game company wants to buy rights to Witcher
>more free gibs, will end up just like last time lmao
>2007+
>they actually made a game
>it actually sells
>now people associate my series with video games
>barely any recognition
>people think book was game based
>fucking video game made for immature manchildren and kids
>2015
>JUST

>>378889603
CDPR since the games went on to sell millions of copies.

>>378889535
not him, but you don't seem to understand that for video games, the scale is heavily biased toward the higher end

5/10 is pretty much unplayable garbage territory, not "generic"

>>378887551
1. Back in the mid 2000s, when CD Projekt Red started development of TW1, $9500 was generous for an author barely known beyond Poland.

2. In Poland, $9500 is a lot of money. Especially almost 15 years ago.

>>378889401
No you don't get it. Ciri is completely and utterly impossible to like in the books. She's a teenage xXEDGEHOGXx who kills people and teleports behind u and HER PARENTS R DED!1 and everyone who is a bad guy demonstrates that they're a bad guy by trying to rape her and then one time she just decides she wants to fuck this old dude because dunno lol.

That light hearted dude-with-tits character in TW3? Completely game original. Absolutely nothing in common with the book Ciri.

>>378889731

He still got $9,500 out of them and gave them nothing in return.

>>378889535
5/10 would be an average, generic game.

You can have a game where the whole point is to jump on enemy's heads and save the princess, but still do it incredibly supremely.

You can have a game full of fresh ideas and new gameplay elements and have it be completely awful, too.

>>378889535
You also don't seem to understand how the scale works with video games.
What >>378889735 said is accurate, a generic game that does everything it has well despite being the same shit we've seen before is a fine descriptor for 8/10 because other games have done it worse.

>>378889881
He probably made more money now that his books are more well known thanks to the game.

>>378889735
No, you don't seem to understand that what is being said is that attitude you are exhibiting right there is the fucking problem. If an 8 is "generic" and a 5 is "garbage", you need to change the fucking scale to 1-5, so the 8 is more accurately represented with a 3 and the 5 a 1.

>>378889928
Thank you for that completely pointless argument in which you re-stated what I said and didn't refute a single thing.

>>378890091
But on a 1-5 scale, 8 is 4 and 5 is 2.5.

Haters invaded this thread, wow. Still salty about those over 800 goty?

>>378888225
Can't say I've heard Gaiman trash talk any adaptation of his works. Including the Lucifer show.
I think he just enjoys stories in itself too much.

>>378888225
Bernard Cornwell

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>>378887551
>company buys rights to a setting and characters
>builds all of the games from scratch, adding like 99.6% of the value to the franchise
>makes tons if money off of it

I don't get it, what's so funny? It's not like he had the code to the first game sitting around on his hard drive and they just marketed it or something.

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>>378887551
>>378887619
He doesn't specifically hate the games, so much as the fact that he didn't believe games were a medium worth giving a shit about so he wanted his money upfront and personal rather than a long-term loyalties deal. Combine that with the fact that publishers are republishing his book with artwork from the games, which have nothing to do with the actual book contents, and the fact that people think he's writing material based off the games rather than the games being based off of his books and he's a sour grape even without explicitly hating the contents of the games himself.

>>378887619
He likes the games, but he's butthurt that his fans are young people now.

did he write anything else besides The witcher series?

>>378890289
No, you fucking retard. "generic" and "average" literally describe middle-of-the-scale. in 1-10 that's 5, in 1-5 that's 3. Learn to fucking basic math.

>>378890440
He's more butthurt that the fan are more asking him about the game than the books.

>>378890427
You also don't get it.

Sapkowski hated the Witcher. He wrote the first book as a side project, his "main" stuff was something else. But the short stories of the first book were popular, and his Publisher dropped his other shit and made him write more Witcher. Sapkowski absolutely hated that his most famous books were the works he liked the least, then CDPR came along and now he's world famous for something he loathes to the bottom of his drunken old heart.

>>378890487
You learn basic math, 8/10 is 4/5. Trash talking when you can't even reduce fractions right lmao

>>378890646
There's like twenty different fucking narratives with nothing truly confirmed about this shit.

>>378887551
ok listen up niggs
There was a couple of movies and tv series adaptations in Poland and they were REALLY fucking bad
There was also an original witcher game in development sometime during the 90's-2000's but it never saw the light of day.
Judging from that alone, no wonder he thought his shit aint gonna sell so getting a payment upfront seemed like a better choice.
Plus 9,500$ really is a substantial sum, especially for a fantasy writer

>"hello Mr. Sapkowksi we want to make a video game module using The Witcher IP, we would gladly pay you royalties for every copy sold."
>"WOT IS VIDYU GAYM? TOY FOR LITTLE CHILDREN? THIS WILL NOT MAKE SALES. YOU PAY ME $10,000 DOLLAR, I LET YOU USE GORROT, OTHERWISE FUCK OFF."
millions of dollars in profit later...
>"FUCK VIDYA GAEMZ."

>>378890487
Generic doesn't really imply average.
A game can be generic and good, for example if it is derivative and uncreative, but well balanced and mechanically fine-tuned.

>CDPR offer him a profit cut
>he wanted a one-time payment instead

His fault.
He didn't believe that this could be a success and so he missed out on 6-7digit numbers

>>378890235
Well, you could try reading it again, since you seemed to have trouble the first time. But I guess I can try the little boy version, just for you, anon.
Generic isn't a measure of quality, it just means it's something we've before or something unoriginal. Hope that helped and I'll accept your apology in any form you choose, friend.

>>378888225
Chuck Palahniuk

What are some examples of people who benefited from taking a one time payment vs royalties?

It seems like every time you hear about a settlement, they end up getting fucked in the end.

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>>378887551
The first game was fucking garbage, it was a reasonable deal back then.

>>378888830
Yea, and this is coming from the same Stephen King who hates pretty much every other film adaptation of his works, especially Kubrick's Shining.

>>378887551
The video game rights, not his IP. Still, he made a mistake on the level of Romero not reserving the rights to Night of the Living Dead and should be ashamed for the rest of his natural life.

>>378891295
Stephen King is a drug addled headcase who got turned into a giant SJW after a minivan impact to his head though.

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>>378891283
>the best game in the series was fucking garbage

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>>378887551
He deserves it. The hack.

GIVE MOORCOCK HIS CREDIT YOU POLACK FUCK

>>378887551
>PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What's with this sudden influx of article, twitter or comic postings in which OP only has this laugh text? It's so genereic, tedious and boring. Yet the threads always go 200+ posts

>>378887794
It's a life changing amount yes, which is why took the deal, but it's by no means fuck-you-money that's why i think he took the Netflix deal. To finally make some real money off the books.

>>378888225
The guy who wrote "Who Censored Roger Rabbit"(which would later become Who Framed Roger Rabbit) loved the movie adaption so much he created a sequel novel specifically so that he can retcon the original out of existence.

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What do people think he's salty? He's probably rolling on the money now.

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>>378890384
HE DOESN'T GET ANY MONEY OFF THEM
NOBODY GIVES TWO SHITS ABOUT THE WITCHER BOOKS
AND THEY'RE SHIT TO BEGIN WITH
GLORIOUS FUCKING RETRIBUTION

THERE'S ONLY ONE WHITE WOLF YOU POLISH FUCK

>>378887872
He's an Author, they live off royalties.

Heck about 2 years ago when i was bored i wrote a short book about my experiences during a summer working in a social welfare office, rang up a publisher to see if they were interested and they took it up. For the next year or so i was getting cheques for 300 a week in the post (that's an average for the year, at the highest it was 750, then it dipped and went back up slightly then steadily declined).

Point is that if the publisher had of offered me 200 flat for all rights to the book i would have took the money and walked, whereas now that i know how it works i'd never take a flat sum. Andrej should have known better.

I remember when Sapkowski got infinity butthurt his books didn't take off in America, going off on how "murricans dum dont reed books!" Because no one wanted to read his edgy Lords of the Rings fanfiction.

I guess I'd be bitter too if everyone else was better with my ideas than I was.

>>378891505
Pretty much. I have no respect for authors that do the shit he and J.K "I always thought Hermione to be black" Rowling.

>>378891748
It's gonna get panned. They're shit books to begin with anon.

About 40 hours in, dumped all my upgrades into melee combat and the delusion option for more speech options and Quen upgrades. Is the game supposed to be this piss easy from here on out? Did I fuck myself late game regarding monsters I haven't met yet?

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>>378891574
Maybe when Moorcock credits Final Fantasy.

>>378891574
>tfw read moorcock 'cause my friends hyped up Elric
>it's shit

>>378891819
Melee is by far the worst build late game. Alchemists have literally 8 times as much HP and better damage.

>>378891847
Knowing how popular Elric was in Japan and how Amano actually drew Elric, it's the other way around.

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>>378887551
You think he made a decent amount of money from the actual books after the game made them famous?

>>378892042
>Moorcock invented the white haired bishie

Then he deserves to die in obscurity.

>>378891748
If he actually manages to get the adaptation sticking close to his books the series is going to get panned for the treatment of women and minorities and cancelled after the first season, that is if the actors don't straight walk off the set after the 5th gratuitous rape scene.

>>378887551
He didn't sell it to CDPR, he sold it to another company that was later bought by CDPR

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>>378891528
See this shit? Kids now think that Witcher 3 was the first game, just like with Fallout 3.

Nobody cares about Witcher 1. It was an unplayable mess at launch, it is still garbage today.

>>378891760
probably, but I doubt he expected much overseas success since the translations have been arduous and probably very expensive, which devalued them a lot initially. Also Poland is ridiculously cheap to live in with very little tax so it's not as if he'd be overly concerned with trying to get by off the books.

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>>378892161
try again tomorrow bridge-dweller, you made it way too obvious

>>378891528
don't

witcher 1 turned me off the series completely until i gave 2 and 3 another chance

the first witcher game is literal garbage

>>378892016
What is your recommendation? Currently level 20. Any way to salvage my Geralt?

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>>378891816
>>378892142
The books are rated 3.9/5 in my country...mmm

>>378887773
>1000x more successful
around the world yeah but the books were ALREADY realy big in polland

>better written
Not even close, Geralt in the books is fucking great. he gets sad,tired, affected by the way people treat him, He's also the biggest ashole in the series.
In the games he is a little too blank.

>>378892218
or you could get some taste

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>>378892259
>i prefer 2 and 3 because they have quest markers and witcher sense so i don't get confused

>>378890384
Fuck off razorfist.

>>378891748
he looks like the kind of guy who doesnt care about money, he cares about how people treat his characters

>>378892357
actually i prefer 2 and 3 because the combat isn't completely horrendous and they don't look like actual shit

neat theory though

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>>378891847
When is Bjorn Andersen finally going to get all the royalties he deserves for influencing all modern Japanese bishonen art and characters?

>>378888628
Largely it's because the characters are well written not the story as a whole. They often have flaws and conflicting motives that create stories that make the fantastical world feel incredibly relatable and the characters really enough that you can get very attached to them despite their or maybe because of their flaws

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>>378892121
Oh please. Pretty much every shitty trend in Japanese media was started by westerners?
Isekai? The current one canerous trend. The first Isekai was Princess of Mars, written in 1904 by an American.

>>378892280
Read a review written in the last 5 years to get a more "current year" sense of how people will view it.

>>378888225
Harlan Ellison has a hateboner for everything besides the vidya adaption of "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream". He even voiced AM

>>378892271
You can respec after you get to the big city place. You can buy Clearing potions for 5k than refund all your points.

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>>378887619
>Sell series for 10k
>Watch other people net 10 million kajillion off of your brain and hard-work

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>>378892259
>once again Witcher 1 acts as the finest pleb filter known to man

hell of a game

>>378887924

well, had actual translation/publication on most europe

>>378892705
>i like "dodgeroll around and hit the enemy over and over" the game
that's okay i guess

>>378892463
Isekai Gave us gems like Escaflowne, so he's forgiven.

>>378892434
>the combat isn't completely horrendous
>it's the same as W1
lol

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>>378887619
He also displays utter contempt for the enormous number of new fans reading his books just because they learned about The Witcher through the games' success.
As much as I loved the books, the author is such a faggot.

>>378892869
>it's the same lmao!
but it isn't

>>378892564
Alright. I'll look into that once things start kicking my ass. Thanks.

>>378887619
The guy is legit delusional. He's having trouble coping that the vidya made Witcher a worldwide phenomena (rather than just some nerds in Eastern Euro countries) and thinks just because he laid the groundwork for the story that the success is all because of him.

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>>378892705
If eating shit counts as a pleb filter nowadays, then I'll happy stay as a pleb, thank you.

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>>378892927
whatever helps you sleep at night, sport. here's some reading material for you

>>378888225
Who would have thought....

Writers are nothing but a but pretentious little shits just like artists like Pierre a la Starbucks.

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>>378892992
>wow nice damage control!
>insists something untrue is true
ha

>>378892992
>Posts blatant falsehoods and pretends he won
Bravo.

>>378892992
start arguing any time

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>>378892465
Well it got licensed in 2012 and they used the cover of the 3rd game for one of the book.

>>378892463
Wrong actually
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Connecticut_Yankee_in_King_Arthur%27s_Court

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>>378893116
why? i've already won

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>>378892665
CDPR also worked worked hard on the games and it shows.

>>378893172
even 2 and 3 had different combat you enormous retard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-89RZj23qIs

>>378892447
Nice post m8.

>>378893143
Back in Time =/= Isekai. Otherwise there's examples that predate your own by hundreds of years.

>>378893172
Some day fat ass

>>378893172
You've already proven you didn't play Witcher 1, or 2 and 3.

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>>378893251
>give me views, don't forget to like and subscribe

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>>378893335
holy shit i can't even link someone else's video without you having an autistic fit

>>378888225
The guy who created pepe.

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>>378893420
sorry that i saw through your ruse and won't prop up your failing channel lmao

>>378889173
It has Ubisoft towers you dumb fuck.

>>378887551
IIRC he's one of the "do it for the art" types (even though he writes second-rate genreshit) so he probably doesn't care as much as, say, you would.

>>378892665
>company offers you royalties
>call them faggots doomed to failure because video games are for babies
>watch them make 10 million gagillion fafillion with hard work of their own
>cry and shit yourself instead of admitting your mistake
>call CDPR hacks who butchered your flawless works
>call all your new fans faggot babies

>>378893279
Fair enough, Japan does have a habit of taking western shit and running it into the ground.

>>378893506
>IIRC he's one of the "do it for the art"
Where the hell do you recall this from? Have you read a single interview with him? He's so incredibly asshurt about this decision you could use it as a source of fuel.

>>378887551

Shit like this is why you negotiate a percent of their profit. He could've asked for that amount and just 1% and he would be rich.

>>378893279
>Back in Time =/= Isekai
It may as well be, isekai and time travel share much of the same story beats, and they're sometimes impossible to tell apart until the twist is revealed (see: Planet of the Apes).

>>378893475
my youtube channel hosts music from old The Learning Company games

you ever play Treasure Mathstorm?

>>378892463
My friend, have you heard of Piers Ploughman? What about Dante?
>>378893640
Nah I only scanned some shit and read what other people were saying.

>>378893487
that only open the map, you idiot
there's no magic vision or floating arrows that guide you to quest places.

If you want to go to a place you don't know the name of you have to actually follow the landmarks. If you do know the name of the place, you still have to find it on the map and mark it yourself.

But since the game does give you landmarks for where the quests want you to go, you don't have to use the map at all. Unlike witcher where the only way to find a place is trough the magic arrow, since the quests don't give you directions.

>>378888225

This is cheating but Harlan Ellison wrote the script for the game I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream. The game might be considered the expanded re-telling, not sure what Harlan considers canon.

Best song in the game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1ri9smvKJY

>>378892665
>>378887551
It's not like he got completely fucked over his books sold more and he recently made a deal with netflix to use his shit for a show.

>>378893674
He was a retard and just wanted a lump sum upfront. IIRC they offered him a % of future sales but he was like
>NO GIB MONEY NOW

>>378893878
>made a deal with netflix
Do you think this one entailed royalties?

>>378890354
>Can't say I've heard Gaiman trash talk any adaptation of his works
Well, he better not to, seeing how much better his adaptations are compared with the original. See Stardust, for instance.

>>378888225
Alan Moore likes that one episode of JLTAS

>>378888880
They said Geralt's trilogy was over, not that they'll never make another game using the IP. I mean they kind of already did with Gwent, but they could very well return to the Witcher universe and make a game that isn't related to Geralt himself.

>>378888928
Used to. Not anymore

Although it's hard to separate "I hate this because it's turned bad" from "the show is outpacing me, putting additional pressure on my slow fat ass, and I resent it for that reason."

>>378893998
He serves as a creative consultant on the series.

>>378888225
Watchmen is Alan Moore's secret favorite movie.

>>378892476
that's because he wrote it himself

he also wouldn't have minded a boy and his dog if the ending was different

>>378894154
http://www.gamersgreed.com/witcher-4-confirmed-by-cd-projekt-red/

>>378890384
Moorcock looked over the series and took back when he said years ago.

>>378894101
Stardust is really the only example

>>378887551
Wasn't it the deal from 90s for the old games that never came out? It wasn't even with CDP.

>>378894539
>>378894101
did he like Coraline

>>378894154
CDPR CEO said very recently that they are not done with the Witcher IP. To paraphrase, he said that they had spent lots of time and money building the franchise to what it is, and that they would have to be stupid not to follow up on it.

I know that they have ruled out Geralt for future games, and Ciri as the protagonist gets a little problematic. The theory is that CP2077 will be more of a sandbox where you can make your own character, so maybe they would do a Witcher game in that style, but I think there is a real danger here of getting it horribly wrong.

CD projekt offered him a percentage but he didn't have faith in the product and INSISTED in cash upfront.

His own fucking fault.

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>>378894539
Ahem

>>378893706
shit nigga I did
post it

>>378894624
>Ciri as the protagonist gets a little problematic
why's that
t. person who hasn't finished 3

>>378894660
Coraline's good but it's not better than the book

>>378887773
skyrim is praised as one of the best games ever and had terrible writing

really makes you think

>>378894624
Sanbox game set in a time-period when all the witcher schools were still filled to the brim please.

>>378888225
The guy who wrote the Fables comics loved The Wolf Among Us

>>378887619
That's not correctly phrased.

Sapkowski thinks ALL games are brain melting garbage, not just the games based on his works.

>>378894706
she dies or becomes the Nilfgaardian Empress in two endings

>>378894782
but that's wrong >>378889068

>>378894823
how many endings is she in and why would empress prevent her from doing shit

>>378894823
She does not die.

>>378887551
Who the fuck is that slavshit name

>>378894640
Maybe he wouldn't be so bitter now if he had shown a little faith and reaped the rewards.

>>378889024
Edmund McMillen almost sold the binding of isaac to kongregate or something for $40,000 which is a huge amount for a flash game. He decided to try steam greenlight instead since SMB did so well.

>>378887551
You'd almost feel bad for him until you hear he declined royalties.
Like if he was offered a sum upfront for it then it'd be CD Projekt who'd look like scumbags for not giving him royalties.
But he was offered tnem then turned around and said no, video games would never be popular so I want money.
It's all on him.

>>378892292
Germany was big in Poland however their popularity didn't last. He should be happy that his stories were relevant past his book series.

>>378894898
>"A video game serves a different purpose. It works differently. How much substance can there be in the lines of text when the hero walks through the woods and talks to a squirrel? Where's the literature in that? Where's the room for depth or sophisticated language with which games could elevate culture? There's none."

>>378892954
I mean, without him creating the books there would be no Witcher game series.

>>378892665
>Get offered royalties
>Be so full of yourself to think the games will be trash
>Laugh in their face
>Demand money up front
To be honest I can't really insult him for asking money instead of taking royalties, no one knew, not even CDPR, that the games would sell this good. But I can insult him for acting like a brat and putting the blame on the devs except on himself.

>>378894932
well its not like an Empress can just fuck off and get killed by a monster somewhere. Also it's ridiculous that the game assumed Geralt would want her to be a witcher, he realises early on that it's a ridiculous idea and all witchers hate their profession.

>>378887551
Did anyone even play withcher other than to have sex?

Sapkowski is a drunk hack, that's for sure.

But I'd be pissed too if I wrote a tragic comedy focused on dialogue and then have it be internationally recognized as "lmao dark fantasy like GoT" because the game writers are even bigger hacks.

The Netflix series is going to get canned, because the books are real as fuck. They're not afraid to show people at their worst and doing shitty things, which can't be mixed with the American "bawww, these X people don't do anything wrong EVER". What, rich people get abortions to get rid of a nuisance? The racially-oppressed are, in many ways, worse than the oppressors? Troubled teenagers act like special snowflakes? Bitter women get extremely manipulative with any power they can get? Can't have that shit in a TV show.

>>378895272
Worth mentioning that this was the second time Sapkowski had sold the rights to a Polish game studio: the first guys went under before they had a working game and they allegedly paid about half of what CDPR paid for the rights.

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>>378889151
And then she fucked the unicorn 'cause she's a nasty horny bitch with daddy issues.

>>378895208
I blame UK for that
if THEY did not got buthurt with the germany popularity Nothing would had happened

>>378887551
t he still owns the series and is profiting indirectly from it.

>>378895221
I have that one Computer science prof who spends all day typing haskell code and just jizzes over how great his type safety is, when nobody except himself with never see nor use that code.
THAT's the kind of guy we're dealing with.

>>378890979
ebin post xD

I'm not sure what his stance has been recently, but it's incredibly petty of him to shit on the games when the devs clearly are big fans of his work, and made about as respectful a video game adaptation as possible, that's basically a huge love letter to the books. And to be honest, as someone who has read the books, the games often go well beyond the quality of writing in the books - especially the saga.

>>378895483
but all that stuff is in the games?

>>378887551
Do ya think if Andrzej was ever homeless, CD Projekt would help him out?
Or would they laugh about how he thinks Vidya is mindless dribble.

>>378895526
There was also a TV series called The Hexer way before the first game, and as far as I know it was pretty fucking bad, so you add the little faith he had in videogames plus te failed game and the poor performance of the TV series it's no wonder he wanted money and not a percentage of sales. However, that doesn't excuse him from throwing a tantrum over the popularity of the games, he takes the intellectual high ground saying games will never be as books (which is truth) while acting like a crbaby. If he just said "I really should have accepted royalties, it's my fault" I would feel for him. Now I only laugh.

>>378894962
She dies if you're a dick to her

>>378896163
of course they'd take the high road and help him out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo

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>>378894149
Well, it was a pretty damn good episode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXQ2pDVB42k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnCbFRgRWJE

>>378896163
He will never be homeless though.

he must be mega asshurt holy shit

The best part is that CDPR offered him a % of the sales and he said No. Fuck you give me the money right now. And they gave him what he wanted.

Now he must have the sorest butt in the history of mankind whenever he is reminded of the decision he took.

>>378894932
There's three endings: Ciri dies, Ciri becomes Empress, or Ciri becomes a Witcher

>>378895973
He didn't shit on the games, he shit on the lazy and retarded publishers.

>>378892954
>The guy is legit delusional.

no he's just drunk, which is a symptom of being polish.

my polish classmate told me he'd be a national hero if didn't drink so much fucking vodka.

>>378896567
So the devs

>>378889151
I thought she was dying in the desert when the unicorn showed up

>>378896087
The games are a generic, trope-ridden bastardization of the book's themes. Sapkowski is known for witty dialogues and on-point one-liners and the games try to emulate that - but the writers are so incompetent, that it ends up either cringe as fuck, or just directly copied from the books.

Book Geralt can handle a sword, he's a duelist and fights on human terms, he isn't a fucking ballet dancer. He's just a really fucking agile human, which on the power scale of the Witcher world is low as fuck. Not that the Witcher world is consistent in any way.

All the dark themes of the game are used to paint a grim and edgy world - the books used them for constant jokes instead. They could go into philosophy, but make you smile at the end of it. It's a comedy, not a fucking GoT ripoff.

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>"The game gave me a lot of shit and stench... Because foreign publishers started to use game arts on the covers. So, some people discarded the books, saying it's not new, it's game-related. As in the book written for a game, which - especially in fantasy - we have a lot of. I had to fight a tough battle to prove, who was first."

>After a question asking if the games were beneficial for him: "50/50. Obviously a little bit, because, let's be honest, there was some kind of a target, which became interested in the books after they played the games. Let's say I agree that there was a group of people like that. Except, if I start to compare it it the target that I've lost because of people who said "I'm not going to read a book about a game", I think it's going to be 50/50."

>After a question about sequel to the Witcher saga, he said it's concievable, but he'd discard the games entirely, because "What do I care?" Then, when the moderator said "you don't know anything about them anyway", he said: "Exactly, I don't know. But I can ask. I know a few people who played the game, but it's not a lot, because I usually associate with intelligent people."

He's just butthurt other people gained more success based on his books than he ever did.

He's an old man. To him, video games are a thing that teenagers play in arcades.

>>378889235
>>378894782
There's a lot of interviews that says he's also a boisterious old man. He's not actually mad it seems, he's just a very brash person.

>>378889778
Gee, no wonder a pre teen girl who lives the destruction of her homeland, is raised by a friggin witcher and a crazy sorceress and passes most of the time being abducted because according to every fucking prophecy her child will rule the world grows into a shitty teenager with mental health problems.

It's not "bad guys are rapists" cliche, it's that all she was worth for was her heir, at least for every person aware of her lineage and the prochecy, other than Geralt and Yen, so everyone wanted to be the father of the next fucking god

Then there's the red riders which were fucking nuts and wanted her to marry their king and give birth to an overpowered elf and invade the world

>>378890235
>because the halfway point of 5/10 would be "generic"
Apparently you can't read your own posts since he did, in fact, refute you. A unique game can be crap and a great game can be generic. Your post holds uniqueness as a measure of quality when it is not. Stop being such a contrarian mong and arguing for the sake of it.

>>378896924
i hate that excuse
a bad temper is a bad temper

>>378888225
Most jap writers are just happy their personal waifus are voiced by cute voice actresses and sometimes they get to shake their hand while the voice actresses call them sensei

>>378895221
>It works differently. How much substance can there be in the lines of text when the hero walks through the woods and talks to a squirrel? Where's the literature in that? Where's the room for depth or sophisticated language with which games could elevate culture? There's none."
Because it's IMPOSSIBLE
IM FUCKING POSSIBLE
to build atmosphere, tension, or set a tone with audio and visuals. You cannot create a memorable experience without having it described to you. You just can't fucking do it.

What do you expect? All of Poland's shrewd businessmen died 70 years ago.

>>378896650
Book publishers.
They used shitty art from the games as book cover. >>378893134

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>>378889778
Waaa

>>378894932
>>378894823
>>378896564
the ending isnt about her becoming a witcher, its that she has the freedom to do what she wants thats why its the best ending, shes free from the yoke of being an empress and to choose her own destiny she just happens to want to kill monsters but shes free to literally at any moment do something else, unlike if she was empress

>>378887773
>better written
Are the books that bad?
TW games have awful writing.

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We really need a new Witcher game where you play as Ciri going through the multiverse. Maybe with Geralt acting as an advisor the same way Vesemir did.

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>>378896812
>"Exactly, I don't know. But I can ask. I know a few people who played the game, but it's not a lot, because I usually associate with intelligent people."

>>378896709
considering the witcher books came out before GoT that makes GoT a witcher ripoff and your entire post is as worthless as you are.

>>378897380
no.

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>>378897420

>>378897381
no we dont you girl playing faggot, go play one of your jrpgs if you want to play as woman so bad

explains why he is so salty

>>378897443
And Elric came out before either.

250+ posts and you niggers haven't posted it?

For shame

Time for cringe
https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/a-no-bullshit-conversation-with-the-authors-behind-the-witcher-and-metro-2033

Fuck this guy.

>>378897161
heh, nothing personnel

>>378894243
He still loves it and I wouldn't be surprised if he just screws the books and says the show is the only true canon.

>>378897161
Not that anon, but in the books she did get the tittle "Lady fo Space and Time" and traveled through alternate realities for years after basically "unkilling" Geralt and taking him to paradise.

Also she fucked Galahad of Camelot

>>378897610
Holy shit, lay off the infantile mindset, manchild.

Didnt the game only get famous with the third entry?
I honestly dont remember it being such a big hit before.

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>>378890384

>Moorcock

>>378896907
Good, then I don't feel bad that he got fucked by them.

>>378897632
and lord of the rings came out before that who knew that 99% of most fictional works in literally any format are derivative

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>>378897830

>>378897796

The first game was a cult hit. The second game was on consoles, and while not a massive hit, a success and widely known ( if not amongst your casual gamurrr ) and the third is a legitimate hit that has passed into the lexicon of popular vidya culture.

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>>378897916
The difference is in the citation.

>>378892894
I'm having a hard time believing what you're saying is true.

>>378897715
>man plays ROLE PLAYING GAME as a FEMALE
stop wearing panties and go outside faggot.

>>378897796
with the 1st one.

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>>378897986
TRULY A POLISH VISIONARY AND NOT A HACK WHO ADMITS TO KNOWING ELRIC EVEN WITH THE IRON CURTAIN BEING IN EFFECT

http://forums.cdprojektred.com/forum/en/community/other-discussions/52997-interview-to-andrzej-sapkowski-by-daniele-cutali-translation-from-italian#post52997

>>378897992

I don't necessarily believe he hates his new readers, but I wouldn't be surprised if he said he did at the least. Writers can be some of the most pretentious faggots possible.

>>378897796
Outside of Poland, the books were bestseller in Russia, Lithuania, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Belarus, Ukraine, and probably lots more - all before first game.

>>378888830
he apparently also thought Shawshank REdemption was good

>>378888225
GRRM.

He has issues with the show but overall getting a show made was his dream from the beginning.

He's been writing for television for years before GoT was adapted and he always writes his stuff so it's adaptation-friendly.

>>378888438
Slavs confirmed room temperature subhumans

>>378893779
Don't bother, it's the same faggot as always who get triggered with Horizon hate and writes things like "Shit of the Wild" and "Breath of the Shit". He always makes the same comment about Ubisoft towers and then stay silent when he gets btfo.

>>378897632
>https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/a-no-bullshit-conversation-with-the-authors-behind-the-witcher-and-metro-2033
>"A video game serves a different purpose," Sapkowski tells me. "It works differently. How much substance can there be in the lines of text when the hero walks through the woods and talks to a squirrel? Where's the literature in that? Where's the room for depth or sophisticated language with which games could elevate culture? There's none."

What a prick. How salty can one faggot be?
CDPR made a better story and no one would give seven adjacent shits about this franchise if it wasn't for them.

>>378887551
he's polish, wtf do you expect?

>>378897632
stopped pretty early on
> A video game serves a different purpose," Sapkowski tells me. "It works differently. How much substance can there be in the lines of text when the hero walks through the woods and talks to a squirrel? Where's the literature in that?

>>378897381
>>378897715
>says the faggot wanting to role play as a girl
Ciri a shit btw.

He sold the rights forever?

>>378898383
>CDPR made a better story

No, They didn't. They copy-pasted everything from the books

>>378893838
He really liked the idea of videogames and he wanted his story to be adapted to a game, but he hated the final product because the suits forced him to include a happy ending to the game in order to release it, which soured him on the medium because he realized it was going to become nothing more than a corporatized business instead of being able to blossom into art.

>>378893134
Reminder that the series could've been called Hexer or Warlock in english, yet they insist on "Witcher" which is and has always been such a dumb neologism.

>>378898731
He never played the games. How would he know about that?

>>378888830
And then he turned around and ruined the ending of The Dark Tower which was arguably the only good thing about Book VII

>>378898628
>They copy-pasted everything from the books
the witcher games take place after gerald is killed. what exactly did they copy off of besides the setting, characters and lore which isn't even an argument

>>378898206

I would hope so. It was based on a short story of little acclaim and ended up being one of the finest films ever made.

Hell, if I rigged the set lighting on that film I'd be proud as hell that I had anything to do with it.

>>378896983
He isn't even mad, it just comes across as bitter in the translation.

>>378898785

Good move on their part. I probably wouldn't have sold very well if they had given it a generic name like "Warlock" or "Hexer". Inventing words for your fictional concepts isn't always a bad creative choice.

>>378891696
>equivalent to maybe 8-10 months of salary of a city job
>life changing amount
hahaha, no

>>378899121

I feel like Polish people have less time for being soft and cuddly in comparison to ( as an American ) many other western cultures. They've spent too much time getting fucked with by surrounding people, and I'm sure that has colored their perception and made them tough people.

This is pure conjecture, I don't know many Polish people and haven't visited the country.

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>>378899207
It stands out sure, but it attracted a lot of negative attention

For example this webcomic clearly working off nothing but the title.

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don't ever talk to me or my son again.

>>378899608
He always looked more like a math teacher than a writer.

>>378894782
No, he viewed/s video games as sort of a waste of time. Which is kind of ironic since when he started writing the Witcher-saga, fantasy novels were seen, in Poland, as sort of a waste of time.

>>378899918
That's what growing old does to most people. You gradually understand less and less of what younger generations enjoy.

>>378887928
the tv show will flop guaranteed

>>378900127

>fantasy with lots of sex will flop

I feel like it will do well enough that he gets paid either way.

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>>378889057
I miss Terry Pratchett.

>>378895483
> They're not afraid to show people at their worst and doing shitty things
>But I'd be pissed too if I wrote a tragic comedy focused on dialogue and then have it be internationally recognized as "lmao dark fantasy like GoT"
Makes me think

>>378888225
I think that the original author of Fight Club liked the movie more than the book because the emphasis they put in romance he wish he had added to the original work.

>>378888603
He called The Witcher's author an "arrogant son of a bitch" too for his complaints about the fanbase his books got out of the game's fans.

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>>378902068
>announcing reports

to the gulag with you

>>378893838

Always wanted to play this. Does it have decent puzzles or is it just the plot that is good?

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>>378893453
>The guy who created pepe.

>>378889068
Wow that was a really good post. I've never seen such a good post on this website here. Well done, well done.

>>378896812
He's right on game characters to be used on book covers though

>>378887872
Isn't he a retired business man? You'd think he would be smarter than that.

>>378892781
It's pretty weird, the entire series is available in Finnish of all languages but not in English yet.

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>>378887551
Is there a more cuck of a man?

>>378904158
The Finns have weird taste. IIRC there's a lot of anime that never took off in the US or the rest of Europe but have Finnish translations.

>>378902371

It was a 90s puzzlan game. Puzzles could range from dumb to "go buy a Prima Guide"

The scenarios AM dumped the punished humans in ranged from silly to disturbing, from what I remember.

>>378904375
harlan hates video games and is also responsible for some of the puzzles

some of them are way too metaphorical too

>>378887912
Books have a good world and great charaters but I hate the story and how they are written.
>Here is a really interesting character
>Here is chapters upon chapters of you getting to know them and getting close to them
>Here is their story being resolved and them going their separate ways from Geralt
>LOLZ P.S THEY DIED TWO YEARS LATER IN SOME TRAGIC CIRCUMSTANCE.
Fuck that polish cunt I am glad he got a raw deal, he killed off everyone in some bullshit ways but Ciri, Triss and Dandelion.
Even Geralt and Yennifer die in stupid random fucking way.

Killing Geralt's gang was fucking unforgivable.

>>378903969
Here's the thing though. Before CDPR he sold the rights for a lump sum once before to a vidya developer who never managed to make a single game and then went out of business.
In that instance he made the right decision, and making the same deal again was the safer bet.

>>378904158
All the original books are available in English. Only the one first published in 2013 is yet to be translated yet.

>>378901142
I went through the stages of grief when died, after I finished the shepherds crown I was so sad reading all his ideas for new stories they found that I almost quit reading altogether.

Geralt dying because he persistently breaks the Witcher Code he keeps trying to pretend he follows was the point of his death, though. He was always a soft-hearted do-gooder despite claiming neutrality and no emotions.

>could've just stayed in the tavern, retired, like he said he was when he put his sword up
>"A mob is forming and trying to lynch dwarves? I'm gonna go get my sword and intervene, but this is the LAST TIME."

and then a teenager peasant with a pitchfork made it the last time.

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>>378904345
I guess we do, I do remember ~10 years ago there being a pretty disproportionate amount of manga at Supermarkets. Sometimes it's good to be a Finn I guess, especially if you're into niche stuff. Although if one wants finnish translation for most stuff the wait can be agonizing.
>>378904649
Upon googling this shit seems like it was the same in Finnish until last Wednesday when Season of Storms was published. Still, feeks weird to get finnish translations before english ones.

>>378896812
Imagine walking around being this fucking assblasted all the time

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>>378888225
the guy that wrote the short story Arrival is based on loved the movie

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>>378894624
>they are not done with the Witcher IP.
no shit

>>378887551
over 15 years ago 10k$ was like 25x the average monthly pays in Poland
for a writer who wasnt know outside of poland it was quite a bit of money, it was even before the shitty movie and tv show

he fucked himself on lack of royalties since he thought games are shit for kids, fuck him

>>378905539

That's because the movie is pretty damn good.

>>378904728
Yeah it feels weird knowing we'll never get another Discworld novel.

>>378906140
Now I'm not an expert, but damn was it rough to breeze through most of the single player content until I reached the final Dagon fight and just couldn't bring out enough to stop his overall three turn strategy of forest spirit -foglets - wild hunt

>>378888225

Stephen King has admitted that The Shining is better than his book.

>>378907273
Speaking of the old show, what has Michal Zebrowski been up to lately? I liked him in Ogniem i Mieczem and thought he captured Geralt's looks well enough, but as an American I don't really know how his career has turned out

>>378905539

I thought that was the weakest story in that book.

>>378892781
that dosent make it big

$9,500 is more than what it was worth. The IP had almost zero brand recognition value at the time.

The games are successful for being good and having a well-written narrative. The setting is irrelevant. They could have started a new IP and it would have been just as successful and they'd have saved ten grand.

>>378907687
does a lot of shit
theater, voice acting,tv shows and movies
he runs and directs his own theater and probably spends most time there

>>378908838
This is true, any other franchise could be adapted to appeal to underage audiences and make bank.

>>378893998
He probably got another lump sum of $10k