what went right?

>>378863283
Namco cares about their audience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSgA_nK_w3A

>>378863887
>simple inputs
>forced comebacks

Sounds like Tekken.

>>378863283
both are Autistic

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>>378863353
>Namco cares about their audience.

>>378864031
Have fun with electrics anon

SFV released too soon, USF4 tech was being found left and right. Capcom forced SFV out and threatened to pull funding/adverts from TO''s events if they host USF4 events to artificially inflate SFV's numbers.

SFV shitted on the veteran players by dumbing down the game significantly and reducing the entire game to be centered around knockdowns and meaties, they said they were going to try and reduce vortex and setplay shenanigans and instead they turned SFV into Setplay fighter V.

They shitted on the casual audience by not including Arcade and Story mode because there is a large group of autists who buy fighting games for the story mode (lol?) as seen by MK9, MKX, and Injustice 2's success. Despite being shit video games those games got a free pass because of their long ass story mode.

SFV doesn't have a long ass story mode to appease casual faggots
SFV doesn't have depth and technical play to appease veterans

I imagine Tekken is still the same fucking game except with supers now. Whoopdifuckingdoo, SCV added them too and it made the game better. I've never been a fan of the RAGE mechanic but that's been in the series for 3 games now, so it's expected. It's still kinda shitty that a 5% HP akuma could take you 100%-0% in one combo tho

>>378863353
Harada cares about FGC. Namco doesn't give a SHIT about their consumers.

Who do you think put Eliza in code form so people had to preorder? Not Harada.

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>>378863283
Gee, I wonder.

SFV has to appease a much larger audience of retarded faggots.

Oh and the game is shit. I'd rather play 3rd Strike.

>>378865469
>i'd rather play 3rd strike
The least SF out there.
You're a KoF fag in disguise, aren't you?

>>378864727
>they said they were going to try and reduce vortex and setplay shenanigans and instead they turned SFV into Setplay fighter V

This is the part I get the least.

The entire game is based on vortex play because reversals and defensive options that are standard in every other game don't exist.

>>378865102
>Harada cares about FGC
is this why he delayed the game for YEARS even though he didnt improve shit

>>378865469
>I'd rather play 3rd Strike.
Literally the worst SF. Shit roster, shit balance, shit soundtrack, shit taste.

>>378865816
>didn't improve shit

lol i bet you can totally tell what changes were made by looking at surface level info dude

they delayed the game to avoid getting the same flak SFV did, and wow huge surprise, it fucking worked

>>378865979
The game is still fucking barebones.
Its the Tekken game with the least amount of content since like 4.
Lobbies are straight up garbage.

I dont believe that they worked on this at all.

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>>378863283
Harada fucking owns, Ono can eat shit.

>>378863283
the other guy delayed their game and used arcade data to balance the console version while the retard did none of those things and threw their legacy to some taiwanese dumbfuck that only knows how to make mobile games

>>378866076
the sooner we got this game, the sooner harada can start working on Tekken x Street Fighter again and save FGC even harder.

>>378866092
lucky chloe is shit tho

>>378866249
how about that fuck allows namco to put some resources towards a new soul calibur game

>>378863887
So pro players don't like an element of luck in their game, which is understandable. For a normal scrub like me If I didn't see this video I couldn't care less, the characters animate well, moves come out etc.I don't regret paying 20 bucks for the game, at least there arent 10 versions I have to buy.

>>378866123
>arcade data to balance
not necessarily a good idea
akuma got nerfed hard, when the best counter to him was literally side stepping

>>378866263
you're shit. don't project.

>>378866304
it's not up to him, that's up to namco, they killed it by interfering heavily with SC5, chopping the poor director's budget, leaving him less time to do what he actually wanted.

SC5 was supposed to have a lot more features, characters and story stuff. His deadline was reeled in closer and his budget was chopped. it is 100% namco's fault SC is dead. and frankly we are facing an oversaturation of fighting games this year already.

>>378864274
>dont pick mishima
>dont have to deal with electric execution
woooow

>>378866586
Soul Calibur V sold as much as Tekken Tag 2.
Tekken shouldve been as dead as that if you go by sales numbers.

can someone give a video that explains why the defensive options in sf5 are less than 4??

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>>378866263
trolled hard, normie-chan

>>378866646
it sold well but it got a bad rap, and namco clearly didn't care about its success even while it was in development.

I'm honestly wondering how they can even salvage the lore for SC6, the timeskip already strains most of the returning cast heavily in terms of "good reasons why they are still around or haven't visibly aged", they can only use "magic accident" or "vampire" so many times.

>>378866705
invincible backdash removed focus attack removed.

both were pretty gay mechanics.

>>378866979
if they pretend that SCV didnt happen or if they just reuse the same story but flesh it out people probably wouldnt mind.

>>378867116
when has a company ever done this? the last time i can think of where a company 'more or less' pushed a game right out of continuity was DMC2.

>>378866705
Invincible Back Dash gone
Focus Attack gone
OSs removed (jump back tech)
DP invincibility removed unless EX
Whiffed DP is crush-counterable

>>378866978
That was pretty great.

>>378867237
DMC2 was pushed to the far end of the timeline.
Same with Street Fighter 3.

Thats also what they could do. Make entries between 4 and 5 that have more older characters.

>>378867237
Street Fighter, they keep pushing games as "in between" SF2 and SF3.

SF4 happens after SF2.
SFV happens after SF4.

>care about the audience
>delay the game for almost 3 years just to please casuals with useless content that will only play for a week.

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not bad
actually is breddy gud for a fighting game on pc.

>>378866263
DOUBOO

>>378867820
Real Tekken fans live in japan and played at the arcades

>>378866310
>So pro players don't like an element of luck in their game
Then why the fuck are they playing fighting games? All fighting games are just above rolling dice or playing cards in terms of randomness with how everything you do is just a guess. Try to sound cool and call them "reads" but it's still just a fucking guess. Most actions in fighting games are faster than one tenth of a second. Few things are slow enough for anyone to react to, especially with all that input lag, you only guess what's coming.

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what went right?

>>378867441
That would mean abandoning the pile of new characters they made for SCV, not all of which were unwelcome. I would personally be very disappointed if SC6 didn't have Pyrrha Omega

>>378867820
It doesnt even have proper casual content.
Short storymode, no real extra modes. No arcade endings, no tutorials, no challenges or anything.

The costume unlocks are also pretty limited.

>>378867610
that's not due to people hating any particular storyline enough to want the devs to go backward in the timeline though.

>>378867956
>Real Tekken fans live in japan

You mean South Korea, Tekken is not as popular in Japan as you might be thinking.

>>378868110
It pretty much is. 3s is too far in the future where many old characters arent truly a thing anymore.

People wanna see characters like Bison and he's long dead in 3.
And honestly thats a problem with SCV too. People want the classic characters back.

>>378867318
>Invincible Back Dash gone
It would be helpful in SFV, but invincible back dash creates problems of its own by constantly resetting the neutral.

>Focus Attack gone
Fucking good

>OSs removed
A huge problem

>DP invincibility removed
iirc it was put back in with the most recent balance patch

>Whiffed DP is crush-counterable
Fucking good

>>378868262
Well that was because back in 3S days, the devs didn't want to just keep using the same characters over and over. SCV and MKX also faced this problem.

MKX tried to lead some oldies toward 'retirement' which nobody liked so they gave up on implying that anyone aged or moved on in MKverse.

SCV wanted to let some of the oldies die or age out of the roster so that new characters could take over their movesets, which also got badly received.

Street Fighter V or MKX for PC? Not buying tekken full-price and am looking to play online.

>>378868814
If you want online play SFV
MKX PC community got left behind and is dead.

SFV is the inferior game, but is more alive on PC thanks to cross play

>>378866249
That and Pokken Switch.

>>378867318
>Invincible Back Dash gone
Good
>Focus Attack gone
Good
>OSs removed (jump back tech)
Good
>DP invincibility removed unless EX
They put it back
>Whiffed DP is crush-counterable
Good
The game is shit but it's not about the defensive options

>>378868923
>SFV is the inferior game
Nothing is more inferior than an NRS fighter, except maybe Smash. If you believe otherwise you play at an extremely low level.

>>378869174
You know, there is clearly a diehard group that loves Pokken, and that's fine and all, but that "both players can't use normal controllers" thing was fucking retarded, and they added way too much peripheral shit to the combat system, people just wanted Tekken but with Pokemon like the original trailer and instead they got a clusterfuck, no child would be capable of learning Pokken

>>378865720
Weren't they making dp on wake up incincible again with the update?

>>378868814
GG.
Or search for deals on Tekken. There are probably 25% off ones.

>>378869298
SFV is the worst fighter on the market, and this is coming from a SF veteran who's been playing the game since 1990. Even Mugen is better than SFV.

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>>378869581
>GG

>SFV gets btfo by whining tourneyfags
>they try out tekken for the first time
>"wow this is actually good"
Converting Capcbros by the thousands.

>>378868001
This happens all the time with game franchises coming to PC. Steam faggots don't play the previous games on console will praise the newest titles even if their shit compared to the previous games. Then they'll look up the plot of the other games on some wiki and claim how they were a Dark Souls/DMC/Metal Gear/Tekken fans all along.

>>378870074
>hey lets' not cater to our target audience and try to get casuals
>fuck why are they all leaving to a game that caters to our original target audience??!

>>378870108

But DMC4 was already out on Steam...

>>378868001
The red/blue weapon shit got scrapped now it's a decent game if you forget it was supposed to be shitting on the original series

>>378866705
Invincible backdash gone, no Focus Attack, less OS trickery, DPs have less invinvibility and some have none at all, etc.

Even if you put those all in SFV would still be less defensive than SFIV because SFV has a lot of fucking attacks that are positive on block, zoning has way more startup/recovery with less damage, normals have less range and damage, grey damage with normals, more input lag, and everyone is designed to get in and pressure for damage

>>378870108
When it released it was actually a really good port. It was also the only version of the game that ran at 60 fps.

>>378870291
Steam wasn't as popular back in 2008, by the time normies got into Steam DMC4 was old news.

>>378870485
tldr normies ree
yes?

>>378868923
I don't give a shit about single player empty calorie frosting. I thought MK looked pretty fun and wanted to try it out, bought MKX and I felt like I had been scammed, never again.

SFV is horseshit but it will never drop as low as an NRS game.

U I J K or
I O J K?

>>378868419
>It would be helpful in SFV, but invincible back dash creates problems of its own by constantly resetting the neutral.

That's why you make it more punishable. They already did that by making catching backdashes count as a counter hit, which would have been enough to make it an appropriately risky, but rewarding, play. Now there's no reason to backdash whatsoever except for shimmyshit

>>378870551
>by the time *casual players* got into Steam DMC4 was old news.

there you go autismo

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>>378863887

Hmm it's almost like one was a universal mechanic and the other is the characters gimmick move.

Yeah SFV input is lenient as fuck but that's possibly the most retarded thing to use for comparison.

>>378863283
early 2017

>>378863887
These videos are well-produced but so much they bring up is either bullshit or they never fucking explain themselves all the way.

Like how is luck and skill at all related? They never explain, because they're not related. You can be "skilled" at rolling dice (i.e. you can be good at cheating) but if you were so skill as to roll a 7 every single time "luck" would be a complete non-factor. If you just tossed it with no skill then it would be 100% luck. Luck and skill are totally opposite. The more skilled at something the less luck plays a factors and vice versa.

>>378870724
>SFV adds input leniency
>Everyone cries about the game being ez as fuck
>Capcom decides one day to remove the buffer and make combo links 1-frame again
>Everyone under diamond cries about their combos dropping
>Combos still won't be hype because there's no combo routes and everyones already seen the same combo a million times already

You can't win at this point, FGC only just wants to bitch.

>>378869398
>You know, there is clearly a diehard group that loves Pokken, and that's fine and all, but that "both players can't use normal controllers" thing was fucking retarded, and they added way too much peripheral shit to the combat system,
Mostly agree with this.

>and instead they got a clusterfuck, no child would be capable of learning Pokken
Pokken is substantially easier to learn than Tekken and most other fighting games.

>>378867963
No that's bullshit. If it was mostly luck-based you would have a different top 8 every tournament. Instead you have the same few people making it in every single time since SFIV or even Third Strike. Punk just went 16-1 against some of the greatest players of all time just a month ago.

>>378865660
>least SF
See what I mean about retards?

>>378871268
There are some combo routes, but they're all fucking shit.

>>378865846
>Literally
Look at this dumb as shit audience. Capcom is doomed.

>>378869671
>"veteran"
lmao

Can someone explain to me why Heihachi was almost a literal god when it came to his strength in Tekken 7 storymode despite being over 80 years old

>>378868735
new generation attempts with the cast are always garbage.

if you want to introduce new characters you have to do it in a more balanced way. dont just kick out all favorites over the course of one game.

>>378872056
powered by asshurt

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>thousands of people playing the game because muh hardcores
sometimes I wonder just how retarded the average poster is.

>>378871651
How new are you?

It'll be dead in a week because the people who play Tekken are usually "casuals" who drop the game quickly, SFV will keep 2k players consistently for the foreseeable because it's the most active competitive fighting game aside Smash Bros.

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The only reason why this games getting good ratings is because of the >wall bouncing.

>>378863283
amazing 3D fightan