SMT

>>378860637
>SMT HD will be a Wii U exclusive

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GIDEON

>>378860637
At least SMTV will probably have a full 3D world like Nocturne.

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>>378860637
>there will never be a nocturne remake with FUCKING Alice

>>378860637
>Just moved
>Pull ps3 out of a box
>Hey maybe ill start a new game of Nocturne since I have it on here
>Mash through the opening
>Dont save at the first chance
>Get two shot in my second random battle
>Lose all desire to mash through the opening again

Some QoL updates would be nice.

>>378861437
>don't save
>surprised when you lose progress
You're a fucking idiot

Are the SMT games worth playing? People praised Persona to hell and back and I played 3 and 4 in anticipation for 5 and they were the most mundane bland games beneath all the surface fluff I just don't get how they got their reputation.

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>>378861653
I hated Persona 3 and 4 but have played SMT 4, Nocturne, 4:A, and Persona 5 so far and have really loved them all. I'd recommend starting with either Nocturne or 4.

>>378861584
Where did I say I was surprised?

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>>378861653
>>378861737
to expand on the difference between P3/P4 and the other games, P3 and P4 have shitty gameplay and AWFUL copypasted, randomly generated dungeons + generic shitty shadow enemies. The other games have actual good, interesting dungeons and tons of unique demons as enemies. The main fun of SMT for me, especially over Persona, is the complete freedom to customize your party. Once you start really fusing the perfect demons it's very rewarding. SMT also doesn't have the social/VN shit like Persona if you hate that.

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>>378860637
I want exactly this, except I would also add:
-Raidou as a boss/party member, instead of Dante like the JP version.
-Extended TDE with YHVH fight and extended endings for each reason that show a little more of the world you create.
-Sacrificing and itemizing demons like in P5.

>>378862418
They're good if you can handle the kinda shitty battle system.
I thought it was clunky even back when it came out.
Great atmosphere, plot, and characters, though.
I need to get around to playing 2.

>>378860637
>lets you pick the fucking skills during fusion
One thousand fucking this.

>>378862808
>not Pester

>>378862318
you can fusion sacrifice

>>378862318
>instead of dante?
Why not both? It probably would be Raidou instead though, I doubt they'd get permission from Capcom again.

>>378861912
>>378861912

My main gripe with them was that combat boiled down to RPS Pokemon shit where you just hit the enemy with whatever they were weak to. And if they weren't weak to anything: buff, debuff, wham until it dies. I'll probably give SMT4 a try someday but if it's more of that then I'll write off the series too.

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IT'S TIME

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>>378862950
Shit, really?
It's been about a decade since I last beat Nocturne.
Well, everything else, then.

>>378862956
Well, if they do both, you'd (probably) have to pick which character you want hunting you at the beginning.
It would change quite a few cut scenes.

>>378863115
yeah, you need to wait to a certain phase of the magatsuchi though

>>378861437
Nocturne on hardest is a big ass bullshit of RNG Gods interfering with the world
I remember being one-shot by random critters at least twice or thrice and I always was as much overleveled as possible.

>>378863049
SMT has no preset party member, so you have to make a team that have enough buffs, elemental attacks to make use of weaknesses, enough resistances to enemy attacks, etc.

4 Apocalypse (not 4) introduce a mechanic that lets enemies and you to hide weaknesses and pierce weaknesses by using certain buffs

>>378860806
I really do want to see if come over to the US at some point. That and the original Devil Summoner

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>>378863978
Yeah he is

>>378861067
Alicefags get ye gone

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The ONLY SMT titles that matter

The rest are glorified mobile flash games

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>>378865220
oops

>>378865220
How's DDS2?

>>378865519
Never should have happened tier.

>>378865220
Demifiend will always have a shit design. Lanky fuck with salamander stripes trying to look cool.

>>378865693
It was way better than dds1 though

>>378865893
As opposed to that ugly lizard face looking boy in IVA? Atleast demifiend with the right clothing won't still look ugly

>>378862808
Joke is, I often DO want Posumudi in SMT4:A.

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>>378865220
>I can't enjoy these other games that have vastly superior gameplay because the graphics aren't good enough

>>378862670
I could understand the idea behind not allowing the skills if every fusion gave you certain preset skills but the fact that you CAN get any combination just through resetting it a million fucking times is very baffling and frustrating and ruins fusion for me in Nocturne. I never want to fuse two good demons together because I just feel like I'm sacrificing two great movesets for one decent one.

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>>378866093
>I see you don't set Hallelujah

>>378860806
I really like that logo. Is there any version without huge title?

>>378866615
Fuck you, I'm still just chasing after your giant fire dick snake.

>>378866615
Die for me kid.

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>>378860637
Nocturne doesn't need a remake, SMT1 and 2 do.

>>378867036
I don't necessarily mean a full remake, just the game in HD and changed to let you choose skills would be fine by me.

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>>378862418
Bad combat, everything else is great. They're in the same timeline as Persona and the other Devil Summoner games. You don't need to play them in order, but you should because it will be hard to go back to 1 after playing 2. Also, Raidou 1 has one of my favorite final bosses in any game and Raidou 2 has one of my least favorite final bosses in any game

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>>378867385
His manga is also pretty fun, though there's not much translated

>>378867385
I was upset he didn't still dick the main girl of 1 in 2. She was nice.

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>>378865519
The story and setting really jump the shark, but there's some cool stuff in there. OST is fantastic, the ways that it tie into the first game are cool and they made some nice addition to the combat. Though I have to say that I think the DDS duology are among the worst MegaTen games, at least of the ones I've played. I'm sure they're better than Demikids and the like though.

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>>378867645
You could tell her you want to dick her though. But if anyone's dicking her, it's probably going to be Narumi, but nobody will because there will never be another Raidou.

>>378866430
Yep

Why the hell do i get to see my character in 3d outside battle and everything else in 3d but as soon as battle starts we back to 2d garbage.

I'll wait for console SMT that'll have those new game mechanics so I'll never play that mobile trash.

They went from going forwards to backwards in technology advancement and the sprites don't even look good.

>>378867876
I'm talking about the main cute romantic interest girl, not annoying as fuck reporter girl.

>>378866430
Nocturnebabbies are retarded. They probably haven't even played the games they hail and just ride on the whatever /v/ praises.

>>378867645
>She was nice.

Might be, but Nagi is better.

>>378865220
>DDS
>SMT

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>>378868005
You mean the girl that Raidou Extra Large possessed? I don't think there were any romantic implications there.

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I rather have a remake of 1&2. Had more fun with them.

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>SMT cucks always shit on Persona for its shitty version of combat

>Raidou games get a pass despite the combat being literal filth and not even remotely like traditional SMT to boot

>>378868295
I'm playing through 1 right now after I lost my save a while back. It's sad that it doesn't have a remake, it's all very cool conceptually but the combat is so fucking boring and navigating these landmarkless dungeons with an awful map you have to go through two menus to get to is just a pain.

>>378868328
>Persona gets criticized for downgrading things Atlus already had locked down for turn-based combat.
>Raidou gets a free pass because Atlus doesn't have much experience with action combat systems.

Makes sense to me.

>>378865220
DDS is gr8, Nocturne's roster is kinda weak and the gameplay is dated

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>>378868328
But I like Raidou and Persona. The dungeons in P3 and 4 are unforgivable though.

>>378868656
DDS characters are retarded, NO fusion, game encourages grinding for skills, regular enemies can for some retarded reason can do their equivalent of dragons eye, 3 people only allowed in battle and can't even chat to demons.

Just a generic JRPG that just some how happens to have SMT demons and SMT skills,

>>378860637
>lets you pick the fucking skills during fusion
I like this but I also think it breaks every game it's in.

>>378868631
>giving a dev a free pass because they tried to do something different and turned out to be shit and yet still charged 60, not once but twice

>>378869274
Only SMT IV because of no skill inheritance rules.

>>378868328
fuck you raidou got me into the serious

>>378869474

Raidou 2 was still a huge improvement whether you like it or not.

>>378868328
Raidou games were fucking great, faggot.

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>>378869474
>turned out to be shit
literally my favourite game of all time

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>>378868715
out

>>378868568
Yeah it's not for everyone but still cool nonetheless. There's a patch out there that lets you bring up the map with shoulder buttons.

>>378869686
Not enough, they needed another 4 years on that dev time instead of just the 2.

I genuinely hope they never attempt anything like that again by themselves, they're big enough to collab with competent people

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>>378870359

raidou 3 with platinum memers

>>378868328
Raidou was fucking amazing and one of the best rides I've been on.

fucking dumbass riseposter

>>378870742
They don't even need platinum, just chat to sega.

Platinum are shit anyways when it comes to anything that isn't their own project

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>>378866615
>realize hallelujah should have been used for this shit
>dont' reset and brute force him anyways

Venomous fuck you

>>378870742
I'd rather Atlus hire new people with experience in developing ARPGs than outsourcing. They're a growing studio, after all.
Some new heads isn't a bad thing, as long as it isn't someone like Tabata.

>>378871147
WAIT WHO?

>>378869921
>>378870815
>people ironically enjoy clusterfuck like this
>favorite game of all time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sUazKKjQR4

>>378871347
Kill yourself.

>>378860637
>lets you pick skills

that shit ruined 4 and Final for me.

>>378871536
I can see the benis. MODS

>>378860637
>there will never be a remake of Nocturne without random encounters

>>378861737
Thumbnail looks like a hot redhaired chick in a black leather suit with a cape, is it just me?

>>378871949

I think the problem with 4 and Final were they let you completely wipe the new demon's skillset. Devil Survivor and Persona did it right with making you to keep the demon's default skills, so you can't just copypaste the same exact skillset from demon to demon over and over.

>>378872282
I don't see it anon

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What did Titania mean by this?

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>>378872169
>not liking random encounters

>>378872804
You get tired of them after the first 10, 20 at most.

>>378865220
nocturne has no good reasons
desu 1 has better writing than any of the main games and the other spinoffs

>>378873408
Too bad it's a garbage SRPG

>>378873585
and garbage art

>>378873585
Wrong.

>>378865519
Wayyy better than DDS1. Honestly dont really like DDS1 because of the retarded grind and high encounter rate, even moreso than the other games.

Isamu is a fucking loser who sits in a ball

IS SOUL HACKERS GOOD?

Nocturne is only great because of its fantastic atmosphere. Almost every later SMT games vastly improved on the core gameplay. Aside from maybe dungeon design. It seems like Atlus gave up on designing actual dungeons these days. The only recent SMT game with good dungeons was SJ and that felt more like an EO game than an SMT game.

>>378872984
if you don't farm or a noob

>>378873950
Yes. Get it now.

>>378873952
Kamoshida's palace in P5 was good.

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>>378873928

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Should I start with nocturne or soul hackers? Nocturne I know is said to be the best while soul hackers has a cyberpunk atmosphere that seems cool.

>>378874160
I was strictly talking about SMT and not Persona but yes, Persona 5 probably had some of the best dungeons by Atlus in recent times. Not a huge accomplishment but it seems like they're at least willing to to put some effort into it.

>>378874310
Soul Hackers is a good entry-point because it's easier.

For all those Raidou posters above, I just slogged through The Soulless Army and while I loved the crazy story the gameplay was almost unbearable. Is the next one any better at all in this regard? Or should I just play Soul Hackers instead?

>>378874310
Soul Hackers since it's more dated than Nocturne.

>>378874310
It depends on how willing you are to go through a fairly difficulty game as your first entry into a series. Nocturne is great but at least for me, when I first tried to get into SMT through Nocturne, I just felt annoyed and gave up early on. Then I decided to start with IV and then went back to Nocturne later on and loved it.

>>378874371
Gameplay is significantly improved, story/atmosphere is worse.

Soul Hackers is great though.

>>378874371
2nd game is an improvement in every aspect except maybe story.

>>378863089
tfw finaly reach bitch ass messiah

>>378873952
What game improved the gameplay of Nocturne? The only SMT game I can think up since Nocturne that successfully improved the combat was Apocalypse and that only happened after IV fucked it and you yourself agree the dungeons have been shit for years now. Fusion has been improved for sure but aside from that what else has been improved?

Is 3ds emulator a thing yet?

>>378874898
yea

Should smirking stay in future SMT titles or no?

>>378874971

Nah. I'd put in a system for Hama/Mudo similar to smirk though, that's by far the best change the series has made in a long time

>>378874971
Yes, but it's only activated by smile charge and it's effectiveness is reduce slightly.

>>378874971
I like smirk in 4A and the added bonuses it gives to skills. I recall it being more OP in 4 so as long as it's not that bad then I'd be cool with it in.

>>378867934
Shut up faggot.

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>>378874898
Sorta. I've been replaying Apocalypse on it and while combat and most other stuff runs fine walking around as Nanashi never goes above 15-20 fps for me.

>>378875405
No one ever talks about how cool his design is

How many threads does SMTfags needs before they finally get over their Denial stage and move on to the Bargaining or Depression stage? SMT is the spin off now. Faced it.

>>378876010
>now
It's always been a spin off

>>378876010
>he doesnt know SMT is a spinoff of the Digital Devil Saga books

>>378874898
It is but it's not optimized and only uses 1 CPU core, so expect massive slowdowns most of the time (and shitty sound as a result) even if it's only using 25% of your CPU.

>>378876010
It's always been a spin off, dumbass.

>>378876243
Digital devil STORY tard.....

>>378876131
>>378876243
>Bargaining
Ah good. I just need you to be depressed next, before you can truly accept that Persona is king, and have fun with literally everyone on the waking world, instead of sulking and defending 20 years old staleshit.

>>378876573
>He doesn't realize Persona is a spin-off of a spin-off

>>378876573
>he doesn't realize that Persona technically doesn't even exist

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>>378876573
You have to try harder kid. I drain bait.

>>378875815
>His
It's weird that you're right even though the design it's based off is a woman. It has boobs and everything

>>378876573
>Persona is king

Even Pokemon is more challenging than those games.

>>378876834
It's a very manly statue of a woman

Which one is better? Demon co-op or Turn Press?

>>378876010
You're forgetting about Anger.

>>378877676
Turn Press.

>>378877676
press turn, but demon co-op should still be used from time to time

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>>378877676
Infinite 1 mores with baton passes and free megidolaons every fight.

>>378877060
ancient man liked them thick

>>378878253
We should learn by example

>>378877006
Persona isn't hard nor is SMT also, but their definitely harder than Pokémon.

>>378878362
Then what is a hard JRPG to you?

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>>378860806
tfw

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Parvati is cute!

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>>378870742
>>378870890
>Raidou 3 with the Yakuza Ishin swordplay

>Smt fanbase is still fixated on a decade old game.

>>378878502
There are no hard JRPGs or RPGs. The traditional turnbased genre is based on how much you know about the game's mechanics prior to going in. Someone going in blind is going to have trouble because they're still struggling to figure out what XYZ does compared to the kid that read a guide on how stats and skills work contrary to what the game says about them.

>>378879002
Anon, Persona 4 will be a decade old next year.

>>378878502
None. I don't find JRPG's difficult. Only time a JRPG could be hard is if you purposely underlevel yourself.

>>378879193
Nobody cares about Persona 4 anymore.

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>>378873408
>nocturne has no good reasons
Fuck you, World of Strength rules, I'll fite you.

>>378868328
The main complaints SMT4A gets are story-related yet it's get knocked hard despite people here otherwise saying that story's not a big deal in SMT. I don't get the people here at all.

>>378879667
Yeah Persona 4 is pretty forgettable

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>>378881340
Contrarian fags. Fire Emblem fanbase is currently the same way with praise for Echoes while shitting on Awakening for map design.

>>378881738
I never knew people cared for story in FE games until I came to this board and the general on /vg/.

>>378881738
>Most maps are big empty fields where you wait for the enemy to run into you and die
>The "hard" ones force your units take one path while the enemy is able to pelt them with attacks safely out of reach on top of having shit like cantors and witches running around

>>378881340
>just want to kill demons
>Have to deal with stupid plot half the time with those characters I want to kill and their issues
SMT plot for the most part doesn't matter because a lot of the times it's just barebones or not trying to be complex, just there to set your dungeon crawling.
Only issue with IVA is that they tried to make me care for the more character driven bonds route. But it didn't work.
Gameplay is good, especicially with how it's mostly just bandaging or fixing IV's flaws. Good shit.

>>378882481
/r/Fireemblem has a fair share of people that care about the story. Not sure about Serenesforest though.

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Demons are for fucking.

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>>378884515