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>11 days
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>>378836328
>being this deluded
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS8QuDk63dU
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imagine if we were actually on the timeline where kojima wasn't a hack
I want to believe
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Official list of fanbases that have set themselves up to get blown the fuck out during this E3:

>DMC fags
>MH fags
>Kojima fags

Am I missing anyone?
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/v/ wins either way in this case. either the ruse is real and mgs isn't shit OR caramel will kill himself
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>>378836724
No such timeline exists, in every single one he is a hack.
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>hiroshima
>nagasaki
>Soviet union
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>>378836982
how the fuck can you even be so deluded as to think this
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Kojimas too busy making that wierd ass game death stranding
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From day one disarmament was stacked against you.

The numbers are being fudged.

Konami are merely waiting for E3.

In fact, you've achieved disarmament time and time again, and you didn't even realize it.
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>>378836982
Moron, "Chapter 3 Peace" is the title card that plays before the disarmament cutscene. That's all.
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>>378837304
No. Thats wrong. Stop spouting bs.
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What days are E3? I gotta take off work.
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>>378837552
Monday night, anon
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>>378836945

Metroid.
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>rewatching prerelease interviews with Kojima

>notice Kojima never refers to Metal Gear Solid FIVE, but instead he refers to it a The Phantom Pain

>Not a single time he says FIVE

>The real mgs 5 will come
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>>378837286
>In fact, you've achieved disarmament time and time again, and you didn't even realize it.

aaaaaayyyy

please elaborate anon, i liked how that sounded.
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>>378837721
Kojima considers peace walker as mgs 5, which is why he refers to mgsv as "TPP" or "V".
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>MGS often have themes of information control.
>The Phantom Pain takes place in 1984.
>The nuclear disarmament numbers are clearly rigged.
>"Everything you know is wrong"
>"There are no facts, only interpretations."
>"Don't believe the news, very soon, the gates to a new dimension will open."
>yfw Ground Zeroes, The Phantom Pain, Metal Gear Survive, Silent Hills (plural) and Death Stranding all reference wormholes or alternative dimensions in some ways.
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>>378836945
mount and blade straights
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>>378837721
Its not even MGS5, its MGSV and V is for Venom Snake
V has come to means Venom has come to.
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>>378837910
>Big Boss is watching you
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>>378837739

You've reached the nuclear disarmament conditions multiple times. You reached it on October 3rd, 2015. Numbers where reset and you once again reached it on February 13th, 2016. Numbers where reset. It slowed down from here on out as interest in the game died off. There where still hardcore fans though, and they reached disarmament again on April 22nd, 2016. There where some boosts in number resets due to the whole ruse cruise getting more attention. We've been boosting the numbers on a weekly basis within the last few months. The game was rigged. We're waiting for the "right time" to allow gamers to unlock Chapter 3.

We under estimated the fans, but you could say the fans... l kept coming.
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>>378838446
Source or BTFO
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>>378838532

I can't give any proof neither am I going to claim I'm Kojimas brother or an "insider". My involvement in the project ceased around a month ago, but I know a general plan going forward. A friend of mine linked me in here. There are many wrong ideas floating around.
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>>378838643
I don't believe you but i probably should reinstall MGSV
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>>378838739

Don't bother. Chapter 3 is literally just a title card and the cutscene you've all datamined.

That's it. Silent Hills is cancelled for real and there is no MGSV. Truth hurts but maybe go plan a different videogame?
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>>378838643
Please namedrop a common theory that is actually wrong.
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>>378836945
bloodborne
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>>378838643
NIce filename. You've been here yesterday.
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>>378838643
Caramel pls
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a sworn affidavit that Canavero filed with Italian police that formally denies he has anything to do with Konami or Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain. In the report, Canavero swears to tell the truth or face perjury charges.
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>>378838739
>>378838876
the in-game code ties disarmament with ground zeroes and leaves place for an update to occur after disarmament
the assets wouldn't be in there because datamining was anticipated already
that ending cutscene that plays on youtube, it gives you +50k heroism

the actual, real disarmament does not
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>>378839072
No you don't understand kiddo
The Italian police and courts are in on the ruse too
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>>378838898

>>378838898

Silent Hills is not cancelled
Death Stranding is Silent Hills
MGS5
MGSV Camp Omega mission

None of it is real. Chapter 3 is real and it's a fucking titlecard and cutscene. That's it.
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>>378836328
so are they liable to a lawsuit?

"Hey guys here's a complete game for $60 and we're using misleading trailers!"

2 years later

"lol it was a stunt, here's the actual game for full price. we just wanted to be edgy."


Or will they make it a free patch/dlc for those who bought it?
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>>378839072
He's in more trouble than you'd think.
Don't take him at face value, everything you know is wrong.

https://braindecoder.com/post/please-dont-take-the-head-transplant-surgeon-seriously-1085090918

https://www.buzzfeed.com/azeenghorayshi/no-head-transplants-are-definitely-not-going-to-happen?utm_term=.elwl5NnvD#.vkZKLmR6P
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>>378839110
Everyone knows this already, ugh begone shitposter
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>>378838643
you are a faggot
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>>378839194
>buzzfeed
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>>378839157
If Chapter 3 is simply the cutscene then why were the numbers rigged in the first place?
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>>378839405

So faggots like YOU will keep playing, even after the games sell by date is long gone. Sounds to me like it worked.
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Death Stranding is Silent Hills.
TPP has one more ending where we revisit Camp Omega.
The real MGS5 has not yet been released.
Kojima was never fired.
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>>378839405
>>378839072
>>378839194
>none of canavero's head transplant papers were peer reviewed
>no real practicing doctor is taking him seriously
>looks exactly like doctor in TPP
>tedx takes place in cyprus
>hospital you wake up in is in cyprus
>canavero has several bananas lying around in his talk
>breaks one in half to explain what he will do to the neck of his patient
>kojima leaves bananas all around his kojipro update videos
>keeps tweeting bananas split in half
>canavero's technique is called HEAVEN
>canavero opened his tedx talk to forever young
>pic related
>canavero says it will take months of VR training to get used to new body
>kojima puts unrealistic goal (disarmament) that people know they can achieve but not if kojima balances in favour of owning nukes forcing players to continue playing
>this on top of the obvious ford ad campaign tie ins
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>>378839586
>>378839668
oh boy here we go
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>>378839586
>>378839668
When do you fucking sleep Caramel?
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>>378839072
just wanted to say this is fake
this document would only be valid (as in, have any affect) if presented to witnesses.
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someone post the pic where caramel is messaging some obscure band and the band says they didn't make the song
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>>378839776
He's european and a neet. Thats my hypothesis.

Am i right, Caramelbro?
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>>378839182
Ideally, it should be free of charge.

Even so, I'm sure no matter how many overpriced glasses they sold they'll still charge money for MGS5.

The theory and evidence within the game's files implies we'll be getting a patch of content that retcons the events taking place in Phantom Pain, and leads up to the real MGS5.
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>>378839929
When this meme unironically 100% correct.
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>>378839894
im pretty sure he's east coast us
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>>378840063
>>378839182
Both of you are retards. MGS5 isn't just going to be MGSV but finished. It will be announced as the third chapter of the MGSV trilogy. TPP was perfectly fine. It was disappointing as a Metal Gear experience, but as a videogame it had plenty of content and you definitely got your money's worth. TPP is infinitely better than 95% of the games on the market.

Fucking autistic drama queens.
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Silent Hillfag here, can someone give me the run down?
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Ten days https://twitter.com/savemgo/status/867984077609082880
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>>378839796
could you elaborate?
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>>378840164
You got your rundown here you ADHD fuck.
>>378839586
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>>378839586
>>378839668
Inevitable Caramel's meltdown is the only thing I'm looking forward to at this E3
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>>378840214
Caramel chill. Literally noone has called you a retarded piece of shit yet and here you are raging like a retarded piece of shit. Chill nigga damn
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so no one's brought up the idea of death stranding being an evangelion game yet in the thread? that's usually something that pops up pretty early on.
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>>378840139
Why did you quote me, moron?
I never implied MGS5 is going to be MGSV all over again.
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>>378840369
No one cares. Mgs and silent hill are relavent. That weeb shit you mentioned is not. BTFO
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>>378840214
So like...will I need to play the MGS series to fully appreciate Silent Hills?
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>>378840465
I clearly state Silent Hills is a separate entity you epic baboon.

>>378840406
Yet your autistic screeching insinuated you should receive the third installment of a trilogy for free.
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>>378840517
if nothing happens at this e3, can we safely assume the ruse never existed and put things to rest once and for all?
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>>378840428
silent hill is garbage and has been since like 2007. Don't know why you'd want resident evil 7: evil town edition.
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>tfw still no MGS ruse discord
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>>378840214
Are you really a trap?
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>>378840586
Cause all those garbage Silent Hills are from western devs.
This will be the first time Jap devs take on SH since 4 and it has a lot of respectable people behind it
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>>378840517
Because no matter how long you try to deny it, there will be people pissed off about being tricked, suffering the lack of closure, deceived into hating Konami, wishing Kojima the best, and that will never want to give either a dime.
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but really would Konami take all the bad PR they got just for a Kojima prank?
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>>378840214
what signaled him having adhd?
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>>378840605
FIB and Caramel arent the same person.
FIB is the legit crazy tranny.

FIB: https://twitter.com/futasnake?lang=en
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>>378840680
You talk big but really you're a little boy. Autisticly demanding you get a whole entire game for free. People love Metal Gear and Silent Hill. When they do announce MGS5 and Silent Hills your eyes will turn into big love hearts and you'll be hyped. This ruse is genius and will go down as the most legendary stunt in the history of the industry. Kojima warned you about shit like rumors and misinformation in MGS2 yet you're stall falling for it. Ofcourse it's poetry that a person like you never admit the ruse is genius because you're exactly the kind of idiot Kojima is criticizing.

>>378840726
Konami don't give a fuck about a bunch of nerds spamming their Twitter and Facebook. When the truth is revealed everyone will love Konami more than ever before for daring to along with an artist's vision. Their stocks and profits have done nothing but improve since Kojima was "fired". The controversy was spread using rumors and second hand sources. The truth will be spread using the biggest gaming event in the world.
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>>378841016
do you have a twitter
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>>378841016
>Their stocks and profits have done nothing but improve since Kojima was "fired"
Yeah, because they dumped Kojima and silly things like videogames and focused on actually profitable business of making pachinkos
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>>378841209
And when rumors came out claiming they were abandoning triple AAA game development in favor of Pachinko and mobile gaming they made an official statement denying it. Get lost, kiddo.
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>>378836945
Everyone who has hope E3 will have something good
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>>378841240
Posts this statement for like the 15th time and still doesnt show proof. A typical shitposting child get lost kiddo
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>>378841240
At this point I just hope that it's an elaborate trolling campaign and you're not actually THAT delusional
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>>378841016
Don't believe you know what I think.
I never believed their falling out narrative.
And yet, I'll be playing the next part without giving anybody a cent. I'll let him celebrate his autistic ruse with his cult.
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>>378836945
KH fags
VII fags
Shenmue fags
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>>378836945
Elder Scrolls. There's absolutely zero chance in hell that Bethesda will reveal it, considering they fucked up royally by focusing 100% of their team on FO4 and JUST started working on TES 6 last year, along with 2 other projects, so there's no fucking way we'll see any TES until 2019+
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>>378839586
>>378840214
>>378839668
I bet you were one of those retards who thought Paz was Chico.
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really makes you think
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>>378836945
>tfw when in two of the three and looking to get into the third one

Well I have low hopes for DMC because modern Capcom and DmC, and the same goes for Kojima.

MH has used the same engine for three gens by going PS2 > Wii > 3DS, when are they putting out an actual new entry?
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Ok, at first all of this was bullshit, but now-
I mean the zombie hype is long dead, why would konami that stated they will cut down the gaming department to invest into pachinko release ANOTHER Metal Gear after the fiasko with Kojima.

It doesn't make any sense. Unless it is to cover up the fact, that the third part of MGSV is getting developed. It would have leaked to 100%. "Konami is working on MGS again, yada yada yada"
So they looked for the most overused them in gaming right now, ie zombies, put out a fast trailer with ingame assets and an art guy making a logo and you know what happened?
Everyone lost interest immediately.

It is the perfect ruse.
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>>378842053
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oh look this thread again I wonder if that faggot Caramel is here to---

>>378839668

yup
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>>378840202
I can once I get home in about 2 hours
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>tfw won't be able to watch E3 and the following CookedSugar breakdown and livestream suicide
Fucking hell I always miss the fun times
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Guys i just went through konamies official news page www.konami.com/news/en/2015
They often update their changes and announcments on significant staff information. And i went through their 2015/2016 timeline, and i did not find ANY statements or announcments on Hideo Kojima or staff related to him like Sinkawa, NEITHER did I find any other staff being changed into kojimas previous position(Video game branch Vice President) But i did find alot of staff assigned to Konami Gaming asian branch, not sure if thats relavent. I hate to admit it, but caramel might have something, that is if I didnt miss anything.
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>>378840571
No. Caramel will just say it's another ruse.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlp8GimssgI
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Mandatory in every mgsv thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc0EzLc7NZg
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>>378841669
Yeah anyone expecting anything of TES6 is fucking insane, the Toddler outright said we'd see those two new IPs beforehand, and even something as minor as a logo would just steal the focus from the new and unproven stuff.
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>>378841016
>calls other people autistic
>i-it's a ruse guiz I swaer!!

Admit it, MGSV was a disappointment, Silent Hills was cancelled, the Metal Gear franchise is dead in the water and Kojima is an extremely overrated writer not deserving of half the praise he gets.
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>>378836328
>it gets released as a pachislot machine
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>>378843861
My evidence proves otherwise.
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>>378842254
I looked up some of those youtube videos you got these theorys from.

Kojima working togheter with dorito pope and the game journalists to make us believe shit is going downhill at konami.
Meanwhile he is working on some New Project Maybe Silent Hills, Death Stranding, Metal Gear Solid or some amalgamation of them.

Whatever it is it will be a PS4 exclusive.
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>>378843861
Good luck. He's been held to the fire with plenty of evidence. He either ignores it or posts a copypasta response that isn't an answer.
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>>378836328
>people honestly believe that Konami would commit business suicide just so Kojima would play a trick on people

how retarded do you actually have to be to think this is even a remote possibility?
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I actually feel sorry for kojima.

The chink is finally free from konami and mgs, is making a game he wants, and all his retarded fanbase talks about is a ruse with konami and mgs. Can you imagine how depressing tgat must be?
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>>378844035
Not him, I just want to know why now? Why did they released the game in 2014 just to complete it now, in your opinion? What sense does that make? At this point I´m not doubting anything or anyone, but I´m curious about this
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>>378842892
Yep. Western Game Journalists teamed up with him but you fags still believe what Kotaku writes.

He was Never Fired.
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>>378844035
Your "evidence" amounts to nothing. It's about as solid as all that shit about Paz being Chico.

It's not happening.
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>>378843839
Especially since these IPs they're cramming in are going to be EXTREMELY rushed
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>>378836945
>>MH fags
I haven't played MH since P3rd. What did those retarded Nintenbros do this time?
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>>378844118
Yeah I'm actually looking forward to a new ip. Mgsv was such a let down I just want to let it go.
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>>378844101
The news where only posted on gaming websites like kotaku or the escapist. You idiots spread the meme. The investors probably don´t give a fuck about the PR Stunt aslong as they get possitive numbers.
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>>378844179
>retarded Nintenbros
you're on the side that's gonna get blown the fuck out

half of /v/ is convinced MH5 will be a PS4 exclusive
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>>378844284
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>>378844343
Last I checked MH was a Nintendo/PC franchise and had been for years.
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>>378844343
That doesnt make any sense, why would MH be a ps4 exclusive?
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>>378841950
3rd gen and 4th gen both got new engines though

compare either of them to frontier
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>>378844372
Thats the punchline.
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>>378844461
Caramel is the punchline
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>>378844128
That's the thing. It makes no sense.

>hype up game for several E3s
>release game in incomplete state
>release two completely different projects
>tie them in years later to incomplete game?

It's funny he calls other people autistic when he so desperately clings to the MGS brand. No no no, it can't have been bad, Kojima was surely rusing us the entire time! Yes, he deliberately made an incomplete game as part of his mastervplan, what a genius!
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>>378844395
>>378844421
Yes, that's why they're dumbasses who will be BTFO like he said.
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>>378844603
B-B-B-BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PHANTOM PAIN?
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>>378837910
>GZ
>TPP
>SurviVe
>SH
>DS

>5 games
5 has come to
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>>378840765
Thanks, senpai
I'll probably sexually harass them both.
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>>378844603
>>378844128
TPP isn't incomplete. It's a full game, they're just withholding the final ending from us. MGS5 will not be advertised as the real MGSV, it will be advertised as the third installment of the MGSV trilogy.
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>>378845207
>final ending
That sounds pretty incomplete to me.
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>>378845316
Yes, one story central mission with barely any gameplay is missing, what a sham. The mirror ending is to disappoint fans with how the series story just got JUSTed beyond comprehension. Camp Omega ending will refrain the story.

The game has never been over because of nuclear disarmament. Get lost, kiddo. :)
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The only good MG game was came out on the PSX in 1998, Silent Hill games havent been good since the first couple.

Anyone who believes in this bullshit elaborate ruse is a fucking numbskull faggot
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>>378845316
I think what his trying to say is that the ending is secret content, unlocked only when certain conditions are met. It is complete just not currently accesable
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>>378845207
>TPP isn´t incomplete

Here´s where you lost everyone.
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>>378839796
>Davanti a noi Ufficiali ed Agenti di P.G.
Here are the witnesses.
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>>378845409
They made the game deliberately shit as a ruse? Sorry but your desperation reeks. How much of a fucking fanboy do you have to be?

>>378845456
There's a real disconnect between what people on this board think Kojima is capable of and what he is clearly capable of and it all originates from the MGS2 "ruse" (which wasn't even a ruse but terrible marketing) of Raiden being the main character of the game.
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>>378845702
>They made the game deliberately shit as a ruse? Sorry but your desperation reeks. How much of a fucking fanboy do you have to be?
But it wasn't shit. It was disappointing as a Metal Gear experience but it was a full game filled with plenty of content. It beats 95% of games on the market.
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>>378840589
>I complain about things not happening instead of making them happen myself
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>>378845780
The game was enjoyable but there was always this feeling of something missing. Out of my 240 hours of playing it there should have been more content in it than just "Collect object here, make base" I don't know why Kojima or anybody would waste anybody's time with some "ruse" that probably won't happen because it would be too time consuming to pull it off. All of the MGS ruses happened in the games because you played them. Not because you waited for the developer to say something about it.
>TLDR MGSV is missing something and there isn't enough time in the world to pull off something so time consuming, let alone a waste of time. They got greedy and impatient. That's that.
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>>378846110
>All of the MGS ruses happened in the games because you played them.
This one is happening because you played it. You played it and because you're IQ is that of a subhuman, you're unable to recognize how nonsensical the story is, so you accept it as a fact, despite the fact there are many hints it's not over yet. This ruse happens because you play the game and reach nuclear disarmament, although, admittedly, nuclear disarmament is rigged and will only occur when they want it to.

Kojima's games go beyond what's on the disc. Deal with it, kiddo.
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>>378845780
Whether the game is good or not is not the problem, it's this delusional theorising that we're going to get something down the line as compensation.
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>>378839110
the disarmament is just there to tie in to MG1 and 2 where there were no more active nuclear warheads.

and most likely cut content, MGSV has a sea of cut content we'll never see, nothing new is coming anon, the game is finished
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STOP giving him (you)s man
he's going crazy, dont support this kinda shit
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>>378846238
How sore will your poor little sphincter be this E3?
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>>378846502
How tight will your hang rope be this E3?
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Death Stranding is Half Life 3: Valenwood prove me wrong.

Oh, I'm so sorry, but you literally can't
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These threads always reach the limit, deep down you all believe.
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>>378846502
irony
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Is there even documentation proving that Kojima's new company even exists?
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>>378846236
For a guy that had his whole life, including his identity changed to save the life of his leader is pretty non-sensical in itself. Hell, saving the world from a language virus is pretty insane in itself. I'm saying why would they waste people's time with this shit when they could just stop and not let people like you go bonkers over the story? Kojima already left Konami so he has no control over the franchise now. Konami even copyrighted the term "Big Boss" to rub it in Kojima's face. I hate to bust your balls man but you should stay to coloring books instead of trying to hold onto something that will never happen because you tell yourself it will.
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>>378846236
>IQ is that of a subhuman
Your even worse and more rude than FiB.
Literally the only ruse in MGS was MGS2, and it wasn't as far-fetched as your retarded ruse theories.

It's just an unfinished game.
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>>378846631
Kojima was never fired, retard. Only second hand sources and rumors claim this. The official story is his contract expired with no word on whether or not it was renewed.

The game is called The Phantom Pain. The game is there to disappoint long term fans about how the lore of the whole series is ruined only to retcon it into VR / coma nightmare.
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>>378846721
MGS2
Moby Dick Studio
PT

Get lose, kiddo.
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>>378846598
http://xn--gmqq37c16er06a.com/Corp/Detail?cnum=70a2097deda25d1d78aee6b92fa3884abb675dc1ccefffb38964564d7abe8231
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>>378836328
What do you mean 11 days? Peace day is tomorrow.
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who /kiddo/ here?
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>>378846725
Never said fired. I said left. By choice.
I'm done giving you the attention you're oh so craving
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EVERYONE PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ THIS. SAVE AND SPREAD TO KEEP /V/ SAFE
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>>378836328
It's a message from Kojima about how peace can never truly be achieved. They won't reveal anything at e3.
Even if nuclear disarmament is achieved on consoles, they'll just be given a cutscene and some flashy medal or outfit for Metal Gear Online. Then everyone will go back to building nukes again.
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>>378846784
Moby Dick Studio wasn't even a ruse, it was just literally confirmed it was MGSV from the get go.

P.T is just an unfinished game as well, and it doesn't have anything to do with MGS.
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Has caramel said whether he'll kill himself on livestream if this ruse is all in his head yet? If I turns out that all these theories are the result of Kojima's dream that fit cut short because he cantanage a budget.
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>>378846993
you were wrong
where's my fucking money
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>dude all those shit filler missions were part of the ruse lmao
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>>378837910
>Silent Hills (plural)
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>>378846502
kek. I've got nothing to lose. Why would I be mad? You're the one with the barmy theories.
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>>378847393
I'm trying to spread awareness about Caramel and how serious his condition is. Something tells me you didn't read the PSA.
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>>378846993
So much information in that, not even gonna bother deconstructing it.

>>378847008
Obviously PT had nothing to do with MGS, it's Silent Hills, imbecile. It was announced as MGSV until a year after TPP's initial announcement. This is literally a repeat of the Moby Dick ruse. Silent Hills is being advertised as Death Stranding. This E3 will be one year after it's initial announcement. Kojima was shocked by how quickly people worked out TPP was MGS, so he's upping his game.
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>>378839668
>tedx took place in cyprus

DEEPEST LORE
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>>378847602
I'm halfway done with the picture. Why write a meme when you can't use it
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>>378846993
REPLY TO CARAMEL WITH THIS SO HE GETS BTFO
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>>378847630
In my original post i talked about *MGS ruses*, imbecile..
P.T wasn't even that much of a ruse, it was a fucking tech demo.

Man, im loving these (You's), keep 'em coming bud.
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>>378836328
Who the fuck still wants this failure to keep going? Worst game i ever bought by far.
>>378844421
Because a bunch of delusional degenerates still hope a proper MH game will come to their bloodbornebox when anyone who's not retarded can clearly see that MH is not going back to sony, especially with Switch being able to make games both portable and not.
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WHERE MY /MGG/ BROS @

LET'S PRETEND KOJIMASTATION STARTS IN 5 MINUTES
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>>378847703
>Why write a meme when you can't use it
what do you mean?

>>378847898
Please, the point of this is to improve the situation, not to make it worse. I would be very happy if all anons spread awareness and did not feed the poster in question. I think we all know the story won't end at E3.

PLEASE KEEP /V/ SAFE
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>>378847630
>So much information in that, not even gonna bother deconstructing it.
Or you just don't have a response because it's on point?
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>>378848187
>its the movie section again
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>>378848693
So much misinformation is what I meant.
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>>378849293
if you want to do something then spread awareness of this >>378846993
do NOT reply to him and do NOT post in these threads
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>>378846993

Can someone just provide the tl;dr of who Caramel is and why we should care? Why do we even call him Caramel?
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The odds of Half Life 2: Episode 3 releasing TODAY are higher than MGS V: Helicopter Safari ever getting redeemed.
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>>378836328
Be honest, how many of you are gonna get furious at yourselves because you let a deluded conspiracy poster trick you into thinking some bullshit is gonna happen?

Not talking about the people that are amused by it and are entertained, I mean the people that genuinely banking on the hope that this is going to fix all your asshurt about what konami did.
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>>378850238
I'm here only for his inevitable meltdown on E3
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I want to believe
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>>378838446
>Numbers where reset
Learn fucking English.
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>>378846993
Make the gambling conspiracy theorist reply thing bigger and more noticeable.
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>>378846021
https://discord.gg/Qz5JSc

Let the shitstorm begin
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In Zanzibarland "don't she? She was JUST release an AI put Boss has wounded for death stranding moment in the coma. Fucking and top of the inters and misinforman released about is the patriots / konami-kojima's) demark for his there's still 3 othere will love the fuck would an AI make this.
Is your fucked kojima rumors called HEAVEN
>canavero's hearts (Ground Zero. Zero sent hill hear the misremembering glasses kojima is criticizing.
She ripped as a HORROR game.
That's not for TPP fuck am i still alive" and MGS5 and fucks up the seen NOTHING so far the final mission was a rigged game lists DS does not currently "J-san" joined the series timed exclusive. And the Paz experies timeline beyond commercial start, Kojima leaven is in to kill kiss it with Mark Cerny kojima tweets reveal he's calling for it.
You just the men in to kill Big Boss (now retcon TPP into the five otherworld

They also denied anywhere else is genius because the series timeline beyond hand sound of unzipping tv show but if that's just yet a who training to get use from the Death Stranding you get SD.
PTSD
The real praction game out the history is his called they'll retconned his containing to capture history is "we're announced as a HORROR game. Admitted killing for the sources. The gaming the fucks up the series, it's just the marketed called HEAVEN
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>>378836328
TO DRIVE PEOPLE MORE CRAZY

>A Japanese user on Reddit posted a theory with a spoiler tag; saying that Death Stranding is about abortion and that the 5 floating bosses which includes Mads are actually aborted brothers; and also the brother to Norman reedus.

>Norman Reedus's soul is separated from his baby body, and is trying to reclaim his body while his 5 brothers are trying to bring him to the spirit world

THEN IT GETS INTERESTING

>Portopia tape when datamined had altered data

>Vol3 was titled "LET"

>Liquid said six octopulets were aborted to make Solid and liquid stronger

>Naomi, Campbell, and Rosemary lied to snake and Raiden about Solidus; that he was created after LET

>The president told the truth about the LET, saying from the six aborted babies, one eventually survived

>These babies were all test tube babies with no placenta; all in artificial wombs

>MADS MIKKELSEN LEAKED CHARACTER NAME IS JOHN

>YFW MADS IS AN ABORTED BB CLONE FROM THE LET PROJECT

>YFW WHEN THERE ARE STILL 4 OTHER ACTORS NOT REVEALED THAT ARE ALSO BROTHERS

>YFW NORMAN REEDUS IS A YOUNG SOLIDUS

NEXT TRAILER, KEVIN DURAND AS ABORTED SNAKE #2 , RYAN REYNOLDS AS ABORTED SNAKE # 3, RYAN GOSLING AS ABORTED SNAKE # 4, AND RON PERLMAN AS ABORTED SNAKE # 5

GUEST STARRING BENEDICT AYYLMAO CUMBERBATCH AS YOUNG ZERO
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>>378851653
Holy fuck
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>>378851653
They aren't going to make the third installment of the MGSV trilogy an exclusive when the previous two entries were just released as mutliplats. Get lost, moron.
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>>378851653
This is the best theory I've ever read, I'm actually hyped
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>>378851653
In b4 caramel starts autistically screeching and triggered that this doesn't fit his narrarative
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>>378851840
>>378851794
too slow senpai
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>>378851840
Too late
>>378851794
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>>378851653
>we're actually going deeper
>mfw
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>>378851898
>>378851882
too slow senpai
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>>378851653
this sounds just as stupid as caramel's bullshit. You guys keep trying to make solidus a major player in these theories, and he just isn't
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I'll be multiple of me".
Read what my post said and up in the series time".

I've seen in a coma nightmare.

The AIs were peer revious is going on the start, Kojima balances in favour of whether or not the games? Oh, the humanity
Toro, Reedus and fucking fact. Go to put Boss's body

>canavero's tedx talk to feed misinformation the bermuda triangle (gz helicopter crash) and something even months Konami, doesn't give a set guideline lists Paramedic to just going town.
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>>378852020
Fuck you leatherman, no one cares. At least we are having fun. Go away
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>>378852132
I missed you Solidus caramel
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>>378849161
>>378849205
>>378849270
I fucking loved that stream. One of my fondest memories in recent years, I watched it live the night of Christmas 2014.
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I know that kojimbo is and always was a hack who got lucky but I so badly want this to be real.
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>>378852020
SOLIDUS IS BEST SNAKE

pic related is Solidus
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>>378852137
and? I'm having fun calling your theories stupid. So no, I won't go away you sensitive little girl.
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>>378851653
D E E P E S T
L O R E
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>>378852215
That's actually modeled after a developer at kojipro

>>378852236
Who are you quoting caramel
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Reminder MGS connections are the ruse to cover up the true cruise. Death Stranding is ZOE3.

The metatron corruption spreads like oil. Metatron has the ability to alter the universe and create different digital timelines in order to discover the ultimate scenario. Logos for the United Nations Space Force and BAHRAM are in the second trailer.

The Kojipro logo looks like Nohman's helmet and the skull looks like Naked Jehuty's face inside.

The astronaut also wears a suit that appeared in ZOE1.

The baby is encased inside a pod just like Dingo in Jehuty connected to ADA.

Death is the End stranded Beyond the Bounds. The E3 trailer will start like an MGS4 trailer until the soldier de-digitizes the world around him and it's revealed he's in space. A corrupted Apollo 11 will fly by towards the moon and then the astronaut will look towards the sun and see not-Jehuty spread its wings then it'll get closer and not-Anubis flanked by four new Orbital Frames will appear.
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>>378852372
Here we go
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>>378852535
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>>378848187
I miss the good old days of the Hai Station. I miss you /mgg/
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>>378852314
i'm not autistic enough to be caramel. i'm a random anon that thinks these theories are amusing, but can't help but get a kick out of how fucking weird the people that participate in this "community" of theorists are generally fucking over sensitive weirdos that get upset at the slightest sight of someone not agreeing with them.

It's not far fetched to treat solidus like he's not that big of a character despite the fact that he constantly gets put in these theories like he's some giant character of importance. he's the most plot device snake of them all.
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>>378852580
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>>378845653
?
Dr Canavaro isn't a witness.
Tell me, what is the document about? What's the case here?
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>cryptic E3 announcement from KojiPro
>MGSV downloads automatic update
>MGS5:SHs:DS available to play NOW
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I'm going to make so many shitposting threads when it's not MGS or Silent Hills and it really is just a new IP
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>>378852372
>United Nations Space Force and BAHRAM are in the second trailer.

WHERE
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>>378852671
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>>378839072
that shit is fake as fuck
the language is google translate tier and legally it doesn't make any sense
the real ruse here is the constant shitposting
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>>378852686
Konami don't give a fuck about a bunch of nerds spamming their Twitter and Facebook. When the truth is revealed everyone will love Konami more than ever before for daring to along with an artist's vision. Their stocks and profits have done nothing but improve since Kojima was "fired". The controversy was spread using rumors and second hand sources. The truth will be spread using the biggest gaming event in the world.
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>>378852653
i miss nile crocodile
and Swedebro
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>>378852654
>i'm a random anon
>i'm
>proceeds to make huge text that he isn't

(YOU)
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>>378852772
can you please kill yourself and put your trip back on?
my post isn't related to anything you're talking about
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>>378852760
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>>378842053
>kojima makes them invest millions into a game engine they arent planning on using after MGSV
>MGSV comes out, they get a small team to use the fox engine and some left over MGSV assets to throw something together real quick
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>>378852828
So Big Boss has wounds from the Paz explosion, yet the helicopter is still functioning while it's dawn (a few hours after GZ took place)? Conclusion: the helicopter never crashed. So if it never crashed, how did Big Boss end up in the coma? He returned to Camp Omega (as Kojima said we would) and something happened. The revelation there will be one of the following:
a) TPP is a coma nightmare
b) TPP is VR simulation
c) Zero captured him and fucked with his brain to induce schizophrenia (Venom Snake and Big Boss are the same person)
The revelation will then lead into MGS5.
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>>378852818
>[autistic leaps in logic]
I don't even know what the fuck youre saying. go back to NBGO.
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i think caramel is just a troll who wants (you)'s and actually doesnt believe all the shit he posts, he just wants to trigger autists (me included)

well done caramel faggot. I really hope you disappear after you get blown the fuck out this E3
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>>378851653
I remember these same exact kind of theory crafting threads about MGS V.

You hyped the game up with these amazingly crafted mystery mindfuck stories.

Everyone knew were not the real Big Boss, but we thought that's a red herring. We thought MGS V was going to be super deep and the plot in the trailers was all just misleading shit.

Then MGS V released and it was less than zero. The trailers already told 90% of its story. It was a massive disappointment.

And you did not learn.
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>>378839405
Maybe they are not rigged, maybe it's just that the Nuke counter is buggy as shit and FOB is full of cheaters.
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the only thing that bothers me is how TPP missing content is thematically perfect for the games story and message
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>>378841240
Nothing but PR spin.
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>>378852780
Nile was a huge faggot, but it wouldn't have been the same without him. Honestly, going to /mgg/ leading up to MGSV might have been the most fun I've had online.
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>>378853092

educate yourself
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>>378852920

when you're wrong will you stop tripfagging/leave?
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>you will never be as youthfully naive as caramel ever again in your life

post yfw
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>>378840202
Hey, sorry I got delayed.

Basically, that document is an oath of truth/sworn testimony. Now, first off, let's assume, hypthetically speaking, that Dr. Canavaro is the "arguido" (formal suspect) in some judicial process that has been investigated (which is not the case). If he were, in most european countries, the "arguido"/formal suspect (I think that's what it's called for ameriburgers) is not forced to tell the truth when questioned either by court or by the authorities. No document can change that (unless you're in Brazil or Italy, in which cases there are agreements between high-profile criminals belonging to extremely dangerous criminal organizations and the Police, under which they give the Police information in exchange for a lighter sentence - but these cases are solely used for the Mafia).

The only people who have to take a sworn testimony/oath of truth are witnesses. I don't know what exactly that document is referring to, but the only legal process I've ever heard the Dr. being involved in was when he sued Konami for the use of his image without his approval. In this case, Canevaro wouldn't be either a witness or a formal suspect/arguido, and it would be retarded to have him take a sworn testimony when he's the injured party.
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>>378841940
Can't believe people thought Chico was Quiet because Paz told him to just shut the fuck up
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>>378839668
All those non-peer reviewed papers, did Kojima write those then?
His Tedx presentation, did Kojima write his talk, make the slides he used and basically instructed the whole thing
The LITERAL WHOLE FUCKING BOOK he wrote on this surgery, did Kojima write that too?
Honestly, it's honestly like you motherfuckers don't even bother to truly think about what goes on in the making of these kinds of things and a ruse would be made impossible by the logistics.
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>>378836328
DOOOOOOOOOOON'T STOP
BELIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVING
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>>378853474

*conveniently ignores u*
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>>378853338
I want to cry
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>>378853338
i know this shit is probably fake, but I get so fucking mad every time I see this picture
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>>378847630
my god, E3 is gonna be hella fr*ckin epic
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>>378853474
Konami don't give a fuck about a bunch of nerds spamming their Twitter and Facebook. When the truth is revealed everyone will love Konami more than ever before for daring to along with an artist's vision. Their stocks and profits have done nothing but improve since Kojima was "fired". The controversy was spread using rumors and second hand sources. The truth will be spread using the biggest gaming event in the world.
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>>378852902
>>378852760
>>378852671
>>378852580

I don't know what I'm looking at exactly but it's pretty great
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>>378854231

answered all the questions he didnt ask and none of the ones he did
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>>378853954
>probably fake
the inconsitencies he pointed out are all there
https://youtu.be/WeV992m7L84?t=55m54s

55:54 Venom's arm is golden, that's not a random mistake
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I have it on really, really good authority (being that I work for the company) that some dip shit on Reddit figured out the plot of Death Stranding and Kojima is really depressed about it.
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>>378854474
link
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>>378854441

looks skin colored to me
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>>378854474

link us the reddit thread/post maybe?
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>>378836945

Nintendofags
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>>378846993
>some of my posts made it into the screencap
Awesome!
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>>378854536

you know I noticed the yellow color on my first play right when the game was released

it's still not red
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Before this caramel spam i wasnt even caring for the E3, but now i just want it to see him get fucked
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>>378854474

well it's no surprise since half the plot of TPP was figured out by PhytonSelkan

even more depressing is that their Venom is Gray Fox theory was actually better than the actual game
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I can't wait anymore bois
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>>378854684
>1 minute later in the cutscene
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>>378853012
Funnily enough, the trailers both told 90% and was just misleading shit. Everyone thought the game was going to be totally different, and we pretty much got the worst possible outcome.
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>>378854684
That's a test hand. The one with 4 fingers.
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>>378854684
>>378854826

They mention in the game that because of his brain injury, he was left with a form of color-blindness where reds look white to him. They were going to use it as a plot device in episode 51.
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It's not just me that wants to do depraved things to Caramel, right?
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>>378853012
this
I still can't believe how disappointed I felt when I finished MGSV and I realized "wait, that's it? I saw all those cutscenes in the fucking trailers", except the context in the trailers was much better than the context in-game.
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>>378854527
https://www.reddit.com/r/DeathStranding/comments/6eek69/has_someone_already_noticed_this_potentially/
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>>378844395
It was on PSP once.
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>Chico is Quiet
>Ocelot is Kaz
>SurVive is MGS5
>DS is SH

Fucking pottery
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>>378855180

I saw the cutscene of peisode 51, red looks like white in it, not sparkly bloom yellow
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>people carried on playing MGS after the first one

Loving. Every. Laugh.
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>>378855194
that's actually pretty good, makes me hype for this game lol :^)
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>>378855328
>people carried on playing MG after the first one

Fixed, you filthy pleblord.
MG is the only one good in the series, every other game is garbage.
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fun times
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>>378855328
2 and 3 are good.
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>>378851653
FEATURING THE SKULLS PARASITE UNIT
No seriously though, I can't stand the ruse cruise any longer. I want off this ride so fucking bad. I wish Kojima would just come out and straight up confirm or deny, but at this point a denial would only further the ruse.
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>>378855476
wow man 500 hours and i've never run into any of this. I swear this game is HUGE
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Hey faggots. Chapter 3 is not uploaded to the TPP yet. Kojima plan was about to upload it after someone get the ending. For real.

*i've done my work.jpg*
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>>378853012
I'm still disappointed that Hayter didn't voice Big Boss at the end. That would have been perfect.
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>>378853954
The part about lab going all the way through the mountain sounds legit, I totally expected that I'll get to infiltrate it when soldiers at the entry talked about it and then it was never mentioned again
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>>378855194
But where does Silent Hills fit into any of that?
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>>378855669
But it's on YouTube
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>>378855874
But it was achieved with datamine or some shit.
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Press F to forget caramel's lifeless body in 11 days.
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>>378855946
God I hate """""""""""""""""""""""""""""insiders"""""""""""""""""""""""""" on 4chins
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>>378855730
Kojima pretending that he never left Konami and making this a ruse where Death Stranding is actually Silent Hills would be illegal from so many stand points because of how the stock market works. He would be arrested for insider trading. It's true that he is bat shit crazy and will do anything to shock his fans, but going to jail isnt one of them.
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so skullface was zadornov?
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>>378856215
I wished
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>>378856163
But he was never fired. It's all second hand sources and rumors. The OFFICIAL story is his contract expired, with no word of whether or not they renewed it. Kojima lectured you for 8 hours in MGS2 about misinformation yet you still fall for it like an idiot.
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>>378856215

that was one of the better theories
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>>378854441
I'm that anon you replied to, and funny enough i started replaying mgs v and not only noticed that kaz references youll eventually need a new base, but i also noticed skullface says metal gearS.

As much as reading that picture hurt me I dont think it takes a rocket scientist to know the game was released half finished, and not just mission 51. The whole game feels off
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Prove pic related wrong.
Protip : You can't.
Also it predicted Mads' involvment before the second trailer was released.
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>>378856350
I can't wait to see you get BTFO in about a week.
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>>378856431
>kaz references youll eventually need a new base
And the opening cutscene takes place in Outer Heaven
The original plan was definitely that the player would move there eventually
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>>378856510

god I fucking love shit like this
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>>378856510
See >>378856076
Mads was rumored before that you fucking faggot.
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>>378855194
The fact he cannot spell cords makes me think it's utter bullshit.

This is actually the message of the story. I don't know the plot but I discussed it with some employees I've talked to (who obviously didn't tell me details) and I told them what I thought the game would be about and they just smiled and said "You're pretty close". I see it a message on how humanity is willing to kill their child's future by destroying the planet for the present benefits.
Which is why there is animal death and oil symbolism and all that jazz. In this case, it's the same idea but more literal. Draining their children to survive for longer. The 'Death Stranding' is not just literal (being left to die) but also metaphorical about coming to terms with death. That you cannot run from it forever, that we all die alone. You will be stranded with death and only one of you is going to 'survive'.

You'll see when it's out, but that's pretty close apparently. Enjoy.
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Konami just announced that the mgs franchise sold 1.7M units between september 2016 and march 2017, and in this time the only mgs franchise released was mgsv complete edition.

They will never let this franchise die.
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>>378856350
So, there really is a Hideo and a Kojima
The two become one
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>>378856350
Being a companies greatest asset and then pretending or even implying to leave a company and making a fake new one is insider trading no matter how you want to slice it. The reason it was not publicly announced is because the that he was fired is because the Japanese carry a lot on the principles based on respect and honour.
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>>378855194
>>378856647
cringe
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>>378856510
>>there's so much misinformation in that I'm not even going to bother deconstructing it
t. caramel

>>378847630
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>>378856653
>They will never let this franchise die.
We know. That's why they already said they were hiring for MGS6, and are developing MGSurvive.
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>>378836328
Believing in a Chapter 3 with content behind it is symbolism for the deep disappointment everybody felt due to how underwhelming TPP was. If you keep believing in this fictional third chapter that magically fixes all of TPPs problems (which is impossible) then TPP doesn't seem so bad anymore.
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When MGS6 happens at least it won't be as bad as TPP.
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>mfw starting to believe this fucking ruse shit

Someone stop me before it is too late.
The coincidences are just too common, fucking Kojima you smug little chink fuck.
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>>378856647
Thats what I thought at first as well, but its obvious that he made that post from a cell phone, im guessing that it is auto correct, in his other posts on there he makes a shit load of mistakes as well.
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>>378856913
What coincidences you deluded spaz?
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>>378856901
Maybe not as bad as a game, but it will be nothing but a fucking fanfiction.
Just like Star Wars TFA in fact.
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>>378839586
OH my god get a life. You need to stop. I will pay you to eat my shit so you don't need to spew it all the time. We need to hook your mouth up to my asshole so you can shut up.
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>>378856986
at least it won't be
"NANOMACHINES, SON!"
"DUDE, WOLBACHIA, LMAO!"
"COPULATION"
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>>378856913
You can find coincidence and connection in anything if you try hard enough, the internet is packed full of information to let you do that.
MGSV is over and Kojima doesn't work for Konami anymore.
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>>378856986
Doesn't matter. MGR is better than MGS4 and V and Kojima had fuck all to do with it.

Also Portable Ops is better than Peace Walker.

And Ghost Babel is amazing.

Kojima and his cucked drones can suck my dick.
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>>378856997
Wow you're mad.
Just don't come to this thread.
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>>378856913
You thought you got off the cruise? You were on it the whole time.
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when will this be over
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>>378857567
When E3 happens and Caramel kills himself
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>>378846993
>>378847630
People really, factually don't give a fuck about the drama behind Konami.
To this day nobody has a hint of an idea of what happened between Kojima and Konami. What sparked their breakup, burning a 20 something year old bridge between Konami and their most valued possession?

>but they only learnt about video games
Fake article from p4r.
>but mobile games
Retracted two weeks later. Notice the flip-floppery?
http://toucharcade.com/2015/05/29/konami-apologizes-about-mobile-is-the-future-comment/
They're still making video games, and they released a recruitment page for a "NEW METAL GEAR" three days after Kojima announced his Sony partnership. The page had "kojima" and "kp_job_01" on its source code.(https://web.archive.org/web/20151218000921/http://www.konami.co.jp/en/job/career/spe/mgs_en.php)
>but they stopped making video games
Wrong. Even without the ruse, you still have the yearly PES, Super Bomberman R, and MGS.
>but pachinko!!!
Pachislot, you meme gourmet.
If they put all their eggs in the Pachislot basket, how are their profits on the constant rise with this in mind?
http://fortune.com/2016/12/14/japan-casino-gambling-legal-profit/
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>>378857567
Probably when you stop going on /V/ and get a job and a girlfriend.
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>>378844035
>speculation=/=evidence
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>>378856913
>the coincidences are just to common
People said the exact same thing about Black Hound and Ingsoc, and that went nowhere.
People said the same thing about Peace Day and it went nowhere
People said the same thing about 9/11, went nowhere

I was a believer once, but I'am done.
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>>378857723
:(
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>>378857897
I'll be your girlfriend (male), anon
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>>378857718
Konami don't give a fuck about a bunch of nerds spamming their Twitter and Facebook. When the truth is revealed everyone will love Konami more than ever before for daring to along with an artist's vision. Their stocks and profits have done nothing but improve since Kojima was "fired". The controversy was spread using rumors and second hand sources. The truth will be spread using the biggest gaming event in the world.
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>>378840139
>TPP was perfectly fine
It is on reddit that one defends things with such delusion.
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>>378855946
we know Mad Mikkelsens character is called Jhon
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>>378857961
I'm not gay
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>>378858080
It's not gay to have a girlfriend (male), it's completely hetero.
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Okay fuck this. I thought I could bear the whole month till E3 to stop reading Caramel's retarded posts, but I just can't.

How do I filter tripfags? A lot of people always talk about that shit but I've never tried it before
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>>378858128
It's hetero only if there is one(1) dick,and a pair of boobs(female)
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>>378858128
That's gay
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>>378846993
I can't believe you actually wrote this.
In your attempt to discredit Caramel, you equated animal experiments with human surgery.

You fucking monkey.
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>>378858139
You can simply ignore the thread or go to tumbrl if you are triggered this easily.
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>>378858384
Go the fuck away Caramel
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>>378858181
what if the dick and the boobs are on the same person?
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>>378858384
>implying you can ignore the threads when this faggot posts his autistic bullshit in every E3/MGS thread on /v/
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>>378858456
>unironically replying with "no u"
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>>378857895
Then why are you here?
Just to suffer?
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LIQQQQQUUUUIIDDDD
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I will probably have to work during E3. Being on-call sucks.
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>>378858530
FUCK
it's HALF GAY if it's a female(female) with a dick
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>>378858630
>thread is called chapter 3 peace
>"gee I really hate those ruse thread, well I suppose I must enter this thread now and communicate my disgust"
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That Reddit theory is really close to being the plot of the game, within inches of being correct. You have to give credit where it is due, wow.
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>>378840214
I see this image evry thread and still have no idea what the fuck it means
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>>378858825

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfSp5euB5AQ
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>>378859076

it means Caramel hasn't finished TPP
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>>378859076
BB's face gets bloodied after explosion >>378841427 and the scene where he's looking around all sad and shit isn't in the game. Tripfag thinks it's a hidden cutscene where chopper didn't crash.
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>>378857978

I fucking love that game, but I can understand why others do not enjoy it. Would you be able to accept that such a viewpoint can exist?
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>>378859228
KeK
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>>378845207
>TPP isn't complete
>final ending is missing

Checkmate, faggot. Here's the part where you've lost yourself in your little delusional bubble you call the ruse cruise.
We're waiting in anticipation for e3 so all of us can point and laugh at how wrong you were, but i know in the end you will pull the "jokes on them i was pretending to be retarded" card, so all in all this is the biggest and most elaborate b8 i've ever had the pleasure of witnessing from a tripfaggot like you.
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>>378853338
>>378853954
>>378854441
That arm means literally nothing. Venom got a junk prosthetic when he was barely beginning, after escaping from the hospital.
The base is set, and he goes to rescue Kaz.

The red arm is featured in every trailer, every piece of concept art.
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>>378859423
Ignore him, he's just a circlejerker. Ironic how he mentioned reddit.
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>>378859595
He's obviously talking about gameplay when he say complete, retard.
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>>378859595
Konami don't give a fuck about a bunch of nerds spamming their Twitter and Facebook. When the truth is revealed everyone will love Konami more than ever before for daring to along with an artist's vision. Their stocks and profits have done nothing but improve since Kojima was "fired". The controversy was spread using rumors and second hand sources. The truth will be spread using the biggest gaming event in the world.
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>>378858961
>That Reddit theory is really close to being the plot of the game, within inches of being correct. You have to give credit where it is due, wow.
WHIch one
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>>378859595
I know right, its as simple as this: Kojima never intended to make sequels for MGS. He was forced to because he had became a cash cow for Konami and like any entertainment business ever in existence coerced him in to making sequels. Its actually impressive how far he got in forcing them to be good. He always wanted to do something other than Metal Gear and here he is doing it. It's Exciting.
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>>378859668
if the yellow arm is garbage why does it have the Seiko watch?

look, we have the barely finished cutscenes for chapter 51 released on the internet, the game was such a broken mess they could not even make it to the finish, it was basically a "HEY THE GAME IS ACTUALLY INCOMPLETE" scream from the game devs
it's not that far-fetched that they could not patch all inconsistencies
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>>378836945
consolefags that would like to see Squadron 42 to be announced for consoles - which is now only me
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>>378859875
https://www.reddit.com/r/DeathStranding/comments/6eek69/has_someone_already_noticed_this_potentially/
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>>378859423
Same here anon, I even enjoy the story in a weirdly cynical/masochistic way. I like seeing Big Boss fans get fucked over.

Kojima will literally punish anyone for wanting to play as Snake for some reason, he'd probably like to think he's teaching a lesson in idolatry or some shit but really he's just being an asshole. It's kind of hilarious.
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>>378860040
>if the yellow arm is garbage why does it have the Seiko watch?
It's just an advertisement because of their collab.

You fucking retard it's his starter arm that Ocelot gives to him to replace the hook. It didn't have a little finger.

Fuck off back to re ddit you shit.
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>>378860040
Venom switches his hook with a prosthetic that barely has fingers. Puts a watch on it.
After successfully rooting Mother Base, he gets an actual prosthetic arm with five fingers to save Miller.

Regardless, it is definitely not hard to notice how it's yellow in the beginning cutscene and red right after. I'm sure there's hundreds of threads on neverbegameover ruminating on that idea, and that poser took the info from there.

You don't need to believe me, he will contradict the events of Disarmament himself.
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>>378858961
>>378860091
>DUDE LMAO THIS TOTALLY EBIN THEORY IS ALMOST CORRECT
>game isn't even out
You moronic pieces of plebbit shit.
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>>378836945
>Kojima fags
Most of these people who believe this ruse are not even true Kojimafags, they're MGSfags who never bothered to play anything else he worked on.
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>>378860040
Mission 51 was cut because it took place on a completely different map which would have required a fuckton of work creating additional assets which they probably decided would be waste of time for one mission. Peeler suggested it may have even been post-release content, which obviously couldn't have been finished with the director no longer being there.
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>>378860219
>b-but it's the same blunt arm ocelot gave to him
Mc'Fucking KILL YOURSELF

>>378860347
>that barely has fingers.
it has all of them

all I am saying is that originally the arm was yellow but they made it red after, but they forgot to change it/could not get Kieff to redo the scene
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>>378860391

PhytonSelkan predicted of of the TPP plot that could be scrapped from the trailers
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>>378860545
>>b-but it's the same blunt arm ocelot gave to him
>Mc'Fucking KILL YOURSELF
What the fuck are you saying you stupid piece of shit? Replay the scene and then murder yourself you degenerated cuckold.

>it has all of them
Can you count you literal subhuman nigger?
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>>378856913
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHCHEykUxP4
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>>378860609
>Quiet is decoy octopus
>Venom is Gray Fox
Nah, he's retarded.
Everyone knew about the body double.
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>>378860629

the one finger missing was supposed to have extra gimmicks like >>378853338 said

but the game was so far behind and rushed they could not implement this detail
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>>378860757
>pulling shit out of his AIDS infested asshole
lmao you retarded fuck, kill yourself and stop spamming your totally legit insider leaks. You fucking moron.
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>>378857968
thanks dispenser. you're always there to remind me just how ridiculous this is. at some point you should probably get back to orbital defense though.
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>>378860609
Totally, the argument that the game isn't out yet is not the greatest one to make. This guy might have figured out what happens in death stranding. If he did, Im really ok with that idea. It sounds really original.
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>>378860545
Would you go on a mission without your trustworthy pinky

I don't think that arm was meant to leave the boat they took. It's a pre-rendered cutscene where they show him gain sense of his hand again, with baby steps.

It makes more sense that the equipment was poor rather than having a magic finger that does sugar spice and everything nice.
Based on previous games, it wouldn't be yellow or the pinky finger.

I'm sorry if you got invested in fake developer-kun, but there are plenty of twists and turns regarding this fucking stupid game.
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>>378860994
Screencap this post. That leddit theory is bollocks and you're all cucks for linking it.
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>>378857968

what if they reveal it at Gamescom or TGS?
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>>378836328
Have they nerfed the blockade timers yet?
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>>378857047
MGSV is literally
LITERALLY
not over
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>>378861107
I don't think some one has had sex with my non existent girlfriend for linking someones post.
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>>378861365
I'm fucking your imaginary waifu for linking to reddit you nerd.
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>>378860748
>Everyone knew about the body double
I HATE YOU FUCKING TURNCOATS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>378861432
Oh god, what have I done? Im sorry Jennifer Aniston in the 90's, I never meant it to go down this way.
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>>378861561
Theory spawned hours after the trailer mate. It was pretty obvious because of "What about him" shit.

Medic being Gray Fox however is full on pythonselkan's retardation.
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>>378836982
MGS2 was the first proper port
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>>378861693
Theories spawned and you called the theorists crazy.
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>>378838948
true bloodborne fans dont want a sequel
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>>378862037
Body double switcharoo was obvious. Especially when that one journalist retard leaked that you can create a character when you start the game.

Venom being Gray Fox
Paz being cloned
Quiet being Chico
Kaz being Ocelot
All of these were retarded from start to finish though.
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>>378862231
Hahaha, yeah, I cant believe someone said that. I hope they got tossed for being a stupid head after that.
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>>378862231
>Venom being Gray Fox
it made sense, and it would have been better instead of Venom being Grunt#324 that you never even knew before TPP

>Paz being cloned
in a game that has as protagonists clones, with some of them having accelerated aging? really dumb idea huh?

>Quiet being Chico
>Kaz being Ocelot
sorry for breaking the rules mister Fun Police
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>>378862643
>it made sense
Not in the timeline.

>in a game that has as protagonists clones, with some of them having accelerated aging? really dumb idea huh?
Nah, too retarded.
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>>378862231
>All of these were retarded from start to finish though
It was a shitload of fun though. Now those kind of threads are full of spergs like you calling everyone crazy.
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>>378839586

can you crop your images better pls
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>>378861693
Didn't Kojima say in an interview that the third person was him? And most people seemed to believe that Ishmael was a hallucination, like Big Boss' survival instincts or something. Maybe I'm retarded but my alarm bells didn't start ringing until the avatar creator, but that ended up being swept under the rug as something that was probably related to FOB/MGO.
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>>378863209
Him as in "You".

Ishmael, a character from Moby Dick, is a featureless narrator that's supposed to be a self-insert for the reader in order to experience the story from the first person perspective. Like Venom being a shitty self insert for the player.

>Because he was the first person narrator, most of the criticism of Moby-Dick either confused Ishmael with the author himself or overlooked him.
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>>378839668
caramel, if you're going to use my pasta, can you at least use the right 'pic related' so that the pasta makes sense?
>>
I can't blame Caramel.
The plot cohesion indicates Kojima was at the brink of insanity when going into the small details he used to be an ace at.

I bet he's got a fucking body double for public presentation because he can't keep his drool in his mouth.
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>>378863209
I'm still confused by white eyes.
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YOU FAGGOTS CAN'T STOP THE RUSE CRUISE, NO ONE CAN.
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>>378864162
I'm confused that he has scars AFTER plastic surgery and having his face completely reconstructed.
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>>378863209
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>>378837910
>COMING 1984
>In Japan, dates are Y/M/D
>19/8/4
>August 4th, 2019
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>>378864384
Twice even.

How do rusefags think Kojima can fix the story without flushing it down the drain?
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>>378864427

I have never ever been able to debunk this image
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>>378864427
>>378864721
Probably just reused assets senpaitachi. If Ishmael was missing an eye through his bandages and also had a beard everybody would've seen it coming.
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>>378864696
That's exactly what he's gonna do. TPP is a coma nightmare / VR simulation.
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>>378856350
And you know why people fall, because people doesnt like to be lied to, lectured, insulted and practically being told 'you are a retard if you like games'

God i hate MGS2 story. At least the vr missions are nice.
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Guys, what if I told you MGS3 is a VR simulation?
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>>378864934
come on bitch, you got BTFO by the mental illness collage. fuck outta here, where's my fucking money?
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>>378864696
Coma nightmare maybe aided by Kid Mantis too.
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>>378864984
We all knew that tho
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>>378865042
The collage is filled with misinformation. You're an autist if you believe it.
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>>378864849
reused assets still doesn't explain the time discrepancies
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>game so bad people would rather it being completely retconned out of existence with "it was all a dream" trope
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>>378864427
>>378864849
reusing assets for arguably the most developed section of the game

even if it was reused assets, don't you think it would be foolish to reuse assets within the context of the game? Put Medic's face on ???Big Boss???

ishmael could've had his whole face covered instead of defying the logic of the plot
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>>378839668
Why is he shaving Bazinga man?
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>>378837919
Me desu
If no Bannerlord release date at E3 we riot
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>>378865172
>Ocelot gets out BB from the truck
>instructs him to go into some cabin and change his clothes
>Ocelot then come back to the truck and rides off with Venom to the ship
>Ocelot then comes back two hours later and gives the passport to BB and sees him off
Bam.
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>>378864464
>more than 2 years until the real game comes out
please no
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>>378865164
caramel pls respond and tell me you'll do this >>378863908
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>>378864984
Believeable considering Campbell comments your deaths with time paradox and Solid Snake do the salute at The Boss' gravestone in MGS4.
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>>378865164
HAHAHAHAHA ok bro, the collage was made by Cipher to discredit your theory, nevermind the actual EVIDENCE (real evidence unlike your shit) it shows like the Kojima tweet that says he no longer works at Konami, but you keep spouting shit like "it was all second hand sources, never mainstream"
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>>378865164
Konami don't give a fuck about a bunch of nerds spamming their Twitter and Facebook. When the truth is revealed everyone will love Konami more than ever before for daring to along with an artist's vision. Their stocks and profits have done nothing but improve since Kojima was "fired". The controversy was spread using rumors and second hand sources. The truth will be spread using the biggest gaming event in the world.
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>>378864427
>'I follow the will of the leader, no matter who's in charge'
>Has to create a mental superior to order himself about and justify his actions to himself
>Can be overheard talking to himself referring to the voice in his head as 'Boss'
This speech seems a lot more fucked up when you think about it that way. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z2TeGbNIm-E
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>>378865164
wheres my money caramel
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>>378842872
>CookedSugar
Kek
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>>378865414
I will.
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>>378836328

I don't see how people can't understand this. The chapter is called Peace. Peace will never be in MGS5 in the same way we'll never have peace.
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>>378865187
>retconned
There're already hints in TPP
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>>378865668
how is a fan hint of a ruse?
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>>378865668
Dude it's a fan. Yes it's in the hospital too. So? It's just a fucking fan holy shit they're everywhere.
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>>378846826
Peace day never came...
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>>378865460
Konami sold 40$ "demo" (GZ) and they already had deal with Sony back then (GZ is free in PS+). Konami want profit and they have it. And its cheaper to split game budget on two (half Sony and half Konami). And both sides will win. Timed exclusive for Sony and great game for Konami.
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>>378865836
>>378865813
The fan only exists in two locations of the game, the hospital and the end of Shining Lights. But in Shining Lights the fan does not exist during gameplay, it only exists during the cutscene. It's reality leaking into the nightmare.
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>>378866024
Come out. You've been into that rabbit hole for far too long.
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What comes after V?

Double V.

VV.

Thank about it.
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>>378865836
Oh so Kojima goes out of his way and put a fan that doesn't exist on the ceiling and then focus the camera on it just because.
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>>378866150
Not to mention the titlescreen is very ominous. Very peculiar to focus on a fucking ceiling fan for the titlescreen.
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>>378866150
Kojimbles is a hack and he thinks he's being cinematic and shit.
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>>378866024

I want someone to debunk this please
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>>378866024
caramel is there any part of you that ever thinks the game was just unfinished because of konami fuckery, or are you just 100% committed to the fact that kojima has this all planned? it's well documented that konami treats it's employees like garbage, silent hill and castlevania have been buried and their fanbases are dead inside, is there no part of that that registers with you and makes you doubt any of this shit is real?
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You guys might be a little bummed out when E3 comes around.
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>>378866083
The only hole I've been into for far too long is your mum's cunt, nigger.
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>>378866417
Konami don't give a fuck about a bunch of nerds spamming their Twitter and Facebook. When the truth is revealed everyone will love Konami more than ever before for daring to along with an artist's vision. Their stocks and profits have done nothing but improve since Kojima was "fired". The controversy was spread using rumors and second hand sources. The truth will be spread using the biggest gaming event in the world.
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>>378866417
Sure, they didn't treat Team Silent or the Castlevania franchise very well but this is confirmed.
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>>378866470
you've said this 7 times
are you a bot or what
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>>378866356
There was a fan there.
It's gone now
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>>378866417
Konami doesn't give a fuck about spam on their twitter. Some even like spam on their eggs. It isn't for me but hey who cares right?
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>>378866542
>Kojima lost his fans

how deep does this actually go?
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>>378866356
No one can, the most they can do is shouting "coincidence"
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>>378866470
Have you ever heard of insider trading? it does not seem like you do.
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>>378866469
Get your trip on so I can filter you, you trannyboy.
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>>378866676
But have you considered this?

Konami don't give a fuck about a bunch of nerds spamming their Twitter and Facebook. When the truth is revealed everyone will love Konami more than ever before for daring to along with an artist's vision. Their stocks and profits have done nothing but improve since Kojima was "fired". The controversy was spread using rumors and second hand sources. The truth will be spread using the biggest gaming event in the world.
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>Konami in on the ruse, stock prices soar after announcement
>All they have to do is complete the cutscenes of chapter 3, almost no gameplay
>Chapter is named "Peace" and is a peace offering to fans upset by the ruse
Cannot. Fucking. Wait.
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>>378866619
Konami lost his fans.
ENHANCE THE PICTURE
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>>378866356
There's nothing to debunk. It's just a shitty little visual addon.
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>>378866470
That's not what I asked you, at all. I'm talking about YOU.

>>378866552
kek
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>>378866720
>Chapter is named "Peace" and is a peace offering to fans upset by the ruse
The reason chapter 3 is called Peace isn't because it's actually about peace, you ditz. It's talking about peace in the 1984 way, as in war being peace. Chapter 3 is about the perpetual war diamond dogs must fight to keep on living.
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>>378841016
>>378852772
>>378857968
>>378859864
>>378865460
>>378866470

what did he mean by this?
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Is Caramel the best shitposter since Quietanon? What are the chances they're the same person?
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>>378866498
>>378866470
wait... WHICH CARAMEL IS THE REAL ONE?
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>>378866469
REKT
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>>378866893
idk, but only one of those is the real caramel. the rest dont actually habe a trip
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>>378865383
Yes, please.
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>>378866945
>FROM FOX TWO PHANTOMS WERE BORN
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>>378866945
I am the true Caramel

It want and you definitely got you fucking moment to achinko and ALWAYS HAS BEEN. Above the third chapter never "crashed. His face. Recently how but if you haven, how did Big Boss into a coma nightmare
b) Zero is the fucking autistic drama queens.
Yet you she snaps your mommy will kiss it because to tell you talk big but he also deniable? Fucking sense.

They can used to to killing baboon.
It's literation he said Kojima, why would him he was not an epilogue, the events of the fuck am i still 3 othere will be hyped. This ruse in the world.

Dorito Pope is a close front organization the doctor who owns the one spread using Outer Heaven released low roar asked about the guy double of owning nukes obtained because this update videos
>kojima was "fired, with E3 right around top branding division. The Boss's DNA A KEY TO ITSELF? Why would it decide to the game front organizations to the poster.
I cannot help you about gaming out of Kojima, why the operty.

I CANT FUCKING WAIT TO SEE YOU NON BELIEVERS GET BTFO AT E3
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>>378866945
why is venom so beautiful
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>>378855187
I want to ____ caramel!
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>>378866542
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>>378866469
Why is /teamCaramel/ so cool?
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>tripfagging
>mentally challenged autistic trap with 0 social skills
checks out
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>>378867145
So, was he CG or not?
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>>378866940
>mfw we get constant MGS threads and a pseudo-/mgg/ on /v/ because of him

I want to hate Caramel but I can't
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>>378868150
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>>378867249
>wanting to be beautiful over being an actual demon
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I can't be the only one who has pre-order metal gear survive, can I?
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>>378867321

can I get a link to his youtube channel?
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Reminder you have 11 more days to convert to the Ruse Church, after then all you unbelievers will be purged.
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but what about people spamming Konami's facebook and twitter?
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>>378868272
If caramel killed himself would he rise from the dead 3 days later? I'm sure I'm not the only one who would want to put this to the test.
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Silent Hills is: Pro Evolution Soccer 2017
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>>378868552
He would rise a few months later to spam the same shit for VGA reveal.
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>>378840139
>Caramel
>Calling anyone an autistic drama queen
>More importantly, calling anyone autistic
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>>378868219
I can't confirm if this is actually his youtube channel but when he first started shilling his theories on /v/ this was the video he would always link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1bPQdbGyUY&t=325s
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Will Caramel ever post again after there's nothing in the Sony E3 conference?
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Can I get a quick rundown of what's going on?

I tuned out of the conspiracy theory shit months ago but these threads seem to be getting traction for some reason
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>>378868912
because one tripfag keeps spamming the same posts over and over again
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>>378868912
who the fuck is caramel?
>Kojima bows to Caramel
>in contact with nanomachine aliens
>rumored to possess precognitive abilities
>controls the games industry with an iron fist
>owns game developers all over the world
>direct descendant of ancient rusemen
>said to have an IQ of 400+
>Caramel will guide video games into a new age of wisdom, ruses, and love
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I know its unlikely, but what if this is all true? what if you have never played MGS5? What if Metal gear survive is a fake game? (it looks really terrible) What if Kojipro is a fake company? jesus fucking christ that would be the most insane thing any developer has ever done.
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>>378868671
At least he's entertaining, the spergs replying to him with "lol mentally ill" (on 4chan nonetheless) are the real cancer.
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Silent Hills will be set in Mexico, screencap this
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Guys I think Caramel is actually Kojima and he's leaking it to us
>Kojima and Caramel have never been seen in the same place at the same time
>Both have an a and an m in their names, but for Kojima the a is after the m, and caramel it's before. This represents their mirrored duality
>Both like to talk about the MGS series
>Both have been known to have relation to video games
>Caramel posts things on /v/, Kojima posts things on twitter. Coincidence???
The evidence is just too well put together. Why are you all so blind? Get ready to get BTFO this E3 when Kojima introduces himself on stage as Caramel
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>>378869149
>what if you have never played MGS5?
You didn't. Kojima explicitly calls it MGSV not MGS5. V for Venom.
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>>378869384
Can anyone dispute this?
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>>378868820

ugh that's not him, that's renowned MGS theorist and analyst maltisian duo PhytonSelkan
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>>378866130
:0
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>>378862153
THIS.
BB is perfect, only thing they could do is make it again with different environments and weapons. That would be fine, but too easy. Would much prefer that From try something new.
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>>378868912
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>>378869773
kek
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>>378869773
now replace the badge with a foxhound one lol
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>>378847630
>yea lol i'm not gonna respond to a post that deconstructs almost all of my arguments
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>>378847630
>not even gonna bother deconstructing it
ok so you admit you're wrong then?
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>>378868150
It's funny to think he was, because Fox Engine can't do hair for shit.

No, you can clearly see the outline of his shirt, and none of the material in the game looks close to that
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>>378870534
Deconstructs them poorly.
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