Why can't we convince house to work with the brotherhood?

Because House is smarter than you are.

BoS should just die

IIRC Sawyer said it would have caused too many people to side with Mr House

>>378820174
And now most tend to side with the NCR first to save them.

Why would you want to? Brotherhood is shit tier faction.

>>378820048
'Cause the brotherhood would never work with someone with that much tech and power.
The chance of them turning on him would go up as their power, inevitably, waned.

>>378820048
There's a mod to restore a cut conversation where you can convince House to leave the BoS alone.

>>378820123
FPBP

>>378820340
but muh veronica

>>378820340
>>378820170
This

I can understand wanting to save say the East Coast Brotherhood since despite being written like shit (in Fallout 3, less so in 4) they're the good guys who protect people. In Fallout NV, they're remnants of the old world which have no place in the new world given that they fail to adapt to geopolitical change and they horde technology for themselves instead of using it to help the wasteland (like the followers and NCR does) just like the Enclave.

>>378820048
Because they're ridiculous!

Because the Brotherhood would just raid the highways in and out of Vegas for tech, which would hurt Vegas economy.

Because the game is stupid?

What happened to the brotherhood? Why are they so weak and in hiding?

Why are there talking super mutants?

Why did Obsidian think adding new factions like the followers was a good idea? They're shitting on the lore?

Where is the Enclave? Why did the super mutants turn blue?

So did you pick House end or Yes Man end on your first play through?
>I picked something else
Don't reply to me, brainlet.

>>378820841
>My first Fallout game is Fallout 3

>Convince McNamura to adapt so they won't get hunt down with a high speech or science check
>Kill Hardin so any hardliners won't be able to converge into a proper faction
>Make veronica the elder
call me fucking avellone cause you know it would work

>>378820905
Didn't even knew yes man was a thing first time, had sex with benny, iced him after the deed and ran to house like a madman

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>>378820841
>Why did Obsidian think adding new factions like the followers was a good idea? They're shitting on the lore?

This got me good

fuck you

>>378820048
why does this guy look like andrew Ryan

>>378820841
>Why are there talking super mutants?

Go kill yourself, all Fallout games have talking super mutants you fucking cretin.

>>378820048
Because The Brotherhood are dicks.

>forgetting about uncle leo
you don't deserve a (you)

>>378820496
What happens when you destroy the BoS after you convinced her to leave?

>>378821614
she gets real mad at you

He has an army of robots, they horde technology and take what they want. These people can hardly be negotiated with, you have to go behind NCRs back to do it with them.

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>>378820841
>there are people who unironically say this

>>378820913
And?

>>378820048

>why can't we convince the machine overlord with an army of machines to make peace with a faction of tech fetishists that covet all technology and destroy what they cannot have

gee I don't know anon

>>378820048
BoS is weak in New Vegas, House wouldn't give a fuck about them, The Legion and NCR are the big boys he should worry about

>>378821905
and you're a faggot

>>378821905
Actually let me refine my statement as it's unfair to Fallout 3 fans.

You haven't played any Fallout games at all given that you're complaining about talking super mutants which are present in all Fallout games including 3.

>>378820841
NCR kicked the BoS ass that's why they're weak. For every paladin in power armor they had NCR had a firing squad

>>378821952
Its a role playing game, high enough speech SHOULD allow the player to get a rainbow ending

>>378820841
Good bait.

>>378822150
Its simple, gets the point across and hits all the weak points with the FO fanbase here in the board
8/10 would start a thread with it.

>>378822050
Rude

>>378822086
The brotherhood would never lose to some phoney faction Obsidian made up. Brotherhood established themselves as a force in Fallout 3. Why did they walk all the way to Nevada anyway if they wanted the purifier, that's some stupid shit writing.

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>>378822716
>phoney faction Obsidian made up
>Why did they walk all the way to Nevada

>>378820048
The brotherhood of steel wouldn't accept him has a leader of new vegas since they both have clashing views regarding technology. Long term, wiping out the brotherhood is actually a good thing to do.

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>>378822716
>Fallout 3

>>378822796
Can't refute that's what I thought

>>378820048
>Dude with sick robots and one-of-a-kind immortality technology associating in any way with the Brotherhood

There's only one way that would end, and it's with the Brotherhood getting their asses kicked even harder than they already have.

>>378823012
The NCR was first mentioned in Fallout 1 and appears in Fallout 2, go kill yourself you illiterate tard

Don't fucking reply to that guy, this is him trying to stop this New Vegas thread because he's angry it's been spammed recently.

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>>378820841
>>378822716

>>378823220
Like a dedicated shitposter for new vegas threads?
fucking lmao

>>378822716
They wanted the Dam not only for it's water, it's also a massive power house that's capable of keeping the lights on in several cities. With their currency plummeted because of the brotherhood managing to melt their gold supply into slag, they've gone back to using water to back their currency, which means that the dam is also a goddamn vault to them. They've been in the series since the second fallout game. The brotherhood is also suffering the same problem general Custer had, it doesn't matter how advanced your technology is, if the enemy outnumbers you 100 to 1, you are going to lose due to sheer weight of force.

>>378820123
and he should do the review

don't reply it goddamn it

>>378823216
The NCR was just a tiny village in fo1 called Shady Sands and its founders Aradesh and his daughter Tandi ran the town. It didn't grow into the real NCR until fo2

>>378820562
They horde weapons and weapons of mass destruction. They don't care what you do with your toaster.

>>378823528
>In Shady Sands, Tandi helps her father Aradesh bring a new community and new life out of the broken remains of the world. They are responsible for the New California Republic, whose ideals spread across the land.
>They are responsible for the New California Republic

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_endings

And officially released material from both Interplay and Bethesda established this as canon.

>Half of the backstory on why the bos got fucked over is tucked away in van buren
fucking hell

>>378823743
Do we really need anything other than Elijah being a cunt, NCR and inbreeding?

They still at war in cali as new vegas happens from what moore says at the dam

>>378823537
The west coast ones are pretty fanatic even about simple energy weapons. That Hardin sends you to kill the Van Graffs just for selling those weapons. There's plenty of reasons to kill the Van Graffs but that's not a good one.

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>>378820841
>>378822716
You got me good mate have some (you)'s

Anything about the west coast chapters in FO4?

>>378824348
Jesus, this currency design is hideous

>>378823687
I assume it took years to get it going as the official NCR judging by how bad shit was in fo1.

>>378824548
They support Maxson 100% and may have even changed their whole policy on new recruits and now exterminate mutants more. There's BoS cults that worship Maxson as a god that they've been dealing with. Seems Veronica got what she wanted, sort of.

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>>378820841
FUCK BETHESDA

>>378825128
Why are the Fallout people such big babies about shit like this?

There's plenty of game franchises being fucked over, like Silent Hill and the Shock series, but all everyone seems to complain about is Fallout.

>>378824986
As much as I dislike a lot of Fallout 4's direction (roleplaying, leveling etc.), I really like how Fallout 4 developed the BoS in that it's a believable evolution and merging of both the West Coast ideals and East Coast ideals that managed to placate both the loyalists and outcasts in the East Coast.

It's so good in fact that I believe that Bethesda keeps their only good writer in a cage and that writer broke out out of their cage in the middle of the night to try and salvage the mostly shitty writing in Fallout 4.

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>>378825379
Todd I know it's you
Todd pls go

>>378820562
>they're remnants of the old world which have no place in the new world
Just like House

>>378825404
It's not that the writing of the BoS is good in fo4 they're just the most bearable faction that aren't total fruitcakes. They're hardline military motherfuckers with the most power and they roll into the commonwealth unafraid to show it.

>>378825474
Not an argument

>>378825815
I actually disagree to an extent, whilst Fallout 4 is not as well written as say New Vegas is (with some retarded shit like HATE NEWSPAPERS). The writing is substantially improved from Fallout 3 and some things like Far Harbor are so well written that it's on the same level as New Vegas.

>>378825956
Most of them didn't sell well, but fallout 3 did

Reminder that Minutemen are best ending
>But settlements...
But nothing. The Legion wasn't built in a day, and neither will the New Commonwealth.

>>378826192
Minuteman ending is NCR 2.0 but now everyone has mortars and enough power armor to take half of america.

>>378826192
The Legion actually expanded awfully fast for a civilization. You'd think they'd get through a couple generations of Caesars before it got to that point.

>>378826192
>Not Minutemen + Institute

>>378825984
Problem is the writing is watered down compared to fo3, specifically dialog choices. They weren't perfect but in fo4 you can't be a deranged psycho anymore that's just like "Time to Die Asshole!"

>>378826314
Good. Also bombing the Prydwen puts a dent in the Brotherhood and the Citadel is miles away.

>>378826368
Impossible.

>>378823332
i get it

Because fuck you, NCR is best faction.

>>378826453
Oh in terms of player dialogue and roleplaying, Bethesda really dropped the ball on it. NPC dialogue I feel has been substantially improved though I feel.

>>378826468
You tell the Minutemen to stand down during the TS Elliot siege. Whilst they aren't the best of friends afterwards, they do work together afterwards.

Did they ever elaborate on why no post game? FO3 got a lot of flak thanks to that.

>>378826851
Ran out of time and they chose between a half-baked post game where no one reacts to what happened (Skyrim style) or no post game at all.

They chose no post game

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>>378822716
>Walk all the way
>not walk back
CAN'T HANDLE MUST REPLYYYYY

>>378826760
*TS Wallace

>>378826851
It didn't fit their vision. They wanted it to be final like fo1 and 2 with the ending slides and also the wasteland is supposed to change dramatically

Reminder that dead money sucks

>>378827448
It's letting go.

Yeah it's shit

>>378827448
>>378827769
Excuse me, homosexuals aren't allowed in these threads. I'm afraid I have to ask you to leave.

>>378820048
Shit got released on GOG recently
WHO WHUDDA THUNK MAYN

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>>378826082
True

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>>378827837
>muh atmosphere
>muh characters

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>>378827448
>play dead money
>it's great

I don't understand

>>378827975
>hating on the most reactive DLC with the best RPG gameplay of the bunch

I thought that was the whole point of New Vegas

>>378827448
How? Just played through it for the first time a few days ago and fucking loved it, the atmosphere was amazing the characters were great
>when a mute girl has more emotion than half of the main game npcs
The ghost people were easy to deal with
The speakers were a little bit of a pain but thankfully they weren't everywhere like some said, the hardest one for me was in the vault
The cloud was negligible
Honest hearts was boring compared to this although I did like the location

>>378829340
HH's only good point is that dialogue box you get when you have sneering imperialist

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>>378829505
Heh

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>>378829505
Also

>fucking Daniel

>>378820123
>5 int
He's a lucky rich guy, that's it

>>378829780
I don't understand his views
>oh shit those guys looked at us funny RETREAT!

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>>378829780
>MFW THERE ARE PEOPLE ON /v/ THAT SIDED WITH DANIEL

>>378823231
Oh hey, it's tileguy.

who BOONE AND ED E here

>>378822090
you could with NCR. In the end they harass people for tech for every ending.

>>378820048
Because the Brotherhood are a pack of cunts and no amount of Todd's fanwank will ever change that.

>>378830030
McNamara is a little more peaceful from what I remember. Hardin is the one who raids civilians for laser pistols and shit.

>everyone talks about how the Vegas strip looks awesome
>finally get there
>it looks like shit

>>378829846
>be a corpse kept alive by technology
>AGI 5
stats don't mean fucking anything

>>378826851
doesnt make any sense in this game

>>378826851
The only reason anything happens at all in the game is because people are getting ready for a big fight. There's no point letting you wander around after the big fight is through.

>>378825379
You think nobody complains about the way Silent Hill has been going? Really?

Honest Hearts is utter garbage except for the Survivor and Joshua Graham. Even the ending slides make no goddamn sense. Why would the tribes become violent to each other because you kill off the White Legs?

>>378830707
The mental gymnastics you go through to defend your hero worship is fucking pathetic

>>378831217
not an argument

>>378830903
Haven't seen people complaining recently.

Meanwhile /v/ has been butthurt over Bethesda since way before Fallout 4 was announced, and it's only gotten worse since then.

>>378831294
Then you aren't looking hard enough newfag

>>378831278
I don't see a refutation. Try again, slave

>>378831336
>Literally no one is complaining except butthurt faggots on /v/ and NMA

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>>378831404
>makes stupid claim using dumb logic
>dumb logic is refuted
>answers with a goalposts moving non-argument, then tells people to refute nonexistent logic

Anon you might be legitimately insane

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>>378831217
he's right dumbass,and all he did was use your own fucking argument against you. please kill yourself

frank horrigan is CANOICALLY mentally retarded and has 10 INT. go fuck yourself

>>378831404
>muh stats
>thinks House isn't intelligent because he has 5 INT
>therefore House's rotting corpse is able to use guns because he has 5 AGI
the only one not making a refutation is you

>slave
Oh I'm talking to someone with a Mary Sue courier who can do no wrong. Not even worth talking to

>>378831618
>YES HOUSE GIVE ME YOUR SHRIVELED ZOMBIE DICK MAKE ME A USELESS OLD WORLD RELIC LIKE YOU
Take some initiative for once in your pathetic life, slave

>>378831520
>Fallout 4 worse than Fallout 3

Fallout 3 is nostalgia goggles the game. I can't believe I wasted 40 hours on that game when people kept telling me that it was better than NV.

Fallout 4 was atleast fun to explore and shoot despite being a shit RPG like Fallout 3 was.

>>378831520
In /v/ the major consensus is that 1,2 and NV are the good Fallouts while 3 and 4 are the bad ones but I've never seen anyone talk about Tactics. How is it?

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>>378831693
imagine being this mad

>>378831693
>taking the failsafe ending for retards who can't navigate the reputation system

wew

>>378831754
not an argument

>>378831693
>being a cunt who thinks that he should be in charge of anything because he feels superior than everyone else but have no plan for the future of Vegas
>not acknowledging your strengths and weaknesses and choose between the already available factions who already know what to do with it

Doing my first House run atm. Considering if I should just lock Veronica in the bunker, before I blow it the fuck up.

>>378831820
Wildcard isn't canon. There's no reason why House's antechamber would be so grossly vulnerable to anyone without even asking you to pass a science check unless it was to make sure that you couldn't possibly fuck it up.

It's the idiot ending for idiots.

>>378831908
get her to leave the BoS first

>>378831908
Veronica deserves to be thrown in the trash

So lock her in there and blow it up m8

>>378831958
Wildcard is definitely canon, it was Benny's whole plan and why you got shot in the head.

>>378831891
Let's see those factions
>A bunch of thugs led by a retard with a brain tumor and a tattered roman textbook
>Greedy brahmin-baron puppets who would chop up the mojave and drag it back to California in sacks
>A fucking zombie who didn't have the good sense to die and is driven by delusions of grandeur
I couldn't do any worse than those fuckwits

>>378831958
And yet it was. House isn't as smart as you give him credit for, slave. Now your hero worship is graduating into cognitive dissonance.

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>>378820048
Who seriously supports house. Like he's 90% Hard drives at this point that Yes man can take over. Like yes man is the wasteland spreading it's wet fucking pussy for you to take all for yourself, you who at this point probably cleansed most of the wastes of filth alone at this point. Like I hate to use the word cuck but House is the cuck playthrough.

>>378831695

FO4 is lazier than FO3. I think laziness more insulting than just bad writing.

>>378832096
Just because Benny planned it doesn't mean it'd work. This is the guy who gets killed in every ending, unless you directly intervene out of pity.

>>378832202
>Like x3

>>378832142
>I couldn't do any worse than those fuckwits
someone post the JSawyer pic

>>378832263
Sawyer is a hack and a shit programmer.

>>378832202
>trusting an independent AI program to just serve you all the time
pretty sure there's more to Yes Man than we know about

>>378832223
Fair enough, I just think that Fallout 4's main gameplay stuff which is the loot, shoot and explore aspect is better than Fallout 3's attempt at that and it's attempt at being an indepth RPG.

>>378832262
Like I cant stress enough how cucked house fans are.

>>378832342
>>378832342
devs confirmed yes man will only serve you
>>378832370
you can anon, just don't type like a teenager

>>378831695
Fallout 3 makes the Institute looks like a decent organization

Fallout 4 didn't

>>378832342
>independent AI
Nigger, he can't do anything without a master's say-so. His "assertiveness" upgrade ensured that he will obey the Courier and the Courier alone. What's more, whatever administration functions he would perform would be at the Courier's behest.

>>378832142
You do worse than all of them because you aren't as smart as House nor do you have the manpower needed to do jack shit to keep the wasteland civilized. Your position is weak and will be overrun when the Legion and NCR come back

>>378829846
>check NPC stats in GECK
>"this surely is canon, descritptive and accurate, instead of being a mere placeholder for something which has no effect on the game!"

>>378833000
It sure would be cool if the game had that level of attention to detail and made all SPECIAL stats accurate and representative of the character.

>>378833072

There's no reason for them to do that as it's information the player will never see.

>>378831958
it's as canon as the other endings. House/NCR/Legion mistake was trusting the courier

Would you agree that Fallout 4 at least handled the BoS way better compared to 3

Obviously its still Bethesda writing so it can't compete to Fallout 1 and 2 or some would say NV writing, but they are treated a bit better in a more grey area than compared to 3's holy knights stuff

>>378833185
I get that, but it would still be nice to know that someone cared enough to take the time and punch the numbers in.

I also get that it'd take up a lot of time that could be better spent elsewhere, though, and that's probably why they didn't do it.

>>378833254
The weird thing is, the outcasts from Fallout 3 are pretty close to regular Brotherhood, but for some reason they chose to conflict with the lore.

But yeah, brotherhood in Fallout 4 is alright. I like how they arrive swinging their metal dicks around like they own the place.

>>378820841
this. I never understood why there were blue mutants

>people think that any ending is canon other than Legion win
Think about it. The NCR winning is playing too safe and they already have two game before that to feel more complete, plus it's more beneficial if they lose New Vegas because they'd then reform, while if they'd win they'd be too much overextended and would get rekt by the Tunnellers.

House is the most logical choice for Vegas and the Mojave but the problem is that he's too Vegas-centric and wouldn't have much influence in Fallout America other than being getting rich from tourists.

Independent is only there in case the player just says FUCK THIS and kills everyone.

Legion is what they'd go with if they continue the canon and here's why. First of all, we barely know anything about the Legion other than being another faction that invades the Mojave. We've only seen the military side of it but haven't seen its society other than being told that everyone is safe but with no freedom.
Another thing that should be noted is that unlike the NCR which can survive a defeat, the Legion will be shattered if they lose Hoover Dam since Caesar would be long dead by then and Lanius doesn't have what it takes to command the Legion.
Basically the Legion is a major powerful faction at the size of the NCR and it would be a complete waste if they were a one game only thing and be let to die like that.

>>378833448
fuck off legionfag

>>378833443
Nightkin were in Fallout 1 & 2 fuckface, not that you've played it

>>378833448
This all hinges on whether or not what the Courier tells Lanius is true, that if they took the dam they'd lose a bunch of other territories and that'd fuck them up bad.

The Courier can be tricksy, but Lanius isn't an idiot either, so it could really go both ways.

>>378833551
>shitposting
I'm a Housefag but Legion winning would much more interesting for the Fallout universe

>>378833448
>get rekt by the Tunnellers.
Get the fuck out of here, Avellone.

>>378821465

Because every successful person in the 50s looked like Andrew Ryan

>>378833418
It kinda makes sense in a lore wise reason if you think about.

In fallout 3 its shown that the Elder has way to much compassion compared to other Elders, and wants to step out of line to do what he thinks is right, which is to fix the purifier and help make the Wasteland a better place.

Now you could argue that the Elder is technically following protocol, as in, secure and protect a technology that can drastically change the world around it and use his military power and recruitment to battle a enemy (Enclave)

The Outcasts also make sense as they are BoS knights and scribes who don't agree and strike against the Elder's rule, waiting for the rest of the BoS to show up and kick the Elder out for not following what he should do, though technically he is allowed to do that.

So the way i see it, is that the Fallout 4 BoS is a nice mixture of the Outcasts and the White Knight BoS, they show dedication to the mission and will take means to complete and such, but they still have the old Elder's kindness in them as some of the knights, scribes and recruits all probably remember the battle of the Enclave and how it helped the wasteland, which gave them a kindness that the West lacked, which is why they are dedicated, but also still nice and have decency to treat the people of the commonwealth kindly, within there mission of course.

My two cents on it

>>378833839
Fallout 4's BoS also addresses the issue of a declining/genetically stagnant population in the West Coast by recruiting capable wastelanders which is a good medium between recruiting idiots like in Fallout 3 and not recruiting as seen in NV.

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>>378833716
Can confirm

The obvious ending is the independent ending since the courier is the most competent person in the wasteland, when he gets allies for the ncr they aren't allied to the ncr, they are allied to the courier because he manages to convince most of the factions in the whole wasteland that he is a good leader, he literally can drive away Caesar's legion just because he knows the right words to say, he is literally the perfect person, there isn't a better leader.

>>378834038
>turning the courier into a mary sue
he's just a mailman who got fucked over and got his revenge

>>378834125
>revenge
>not just being a REALLY dedicated mailman

That's clearly the superior RP

>>378834125
>you don't fuck the delivery man, the delivery man fucks you

>>378834125
I'm really only referring to things they do in the main quest, which definitely pushes him to be a mary sue, thats just the nature of blank slate characters.

>>378832096
Benny never saw the fucking interior of the L38

>>378833917
>>378833839
>>378833418
>>378833254
>tfw BoS is really the only faction with pretty good writing behind its back compared to Railroad SJW's, Idiot Institute, and Radiant Quest Minutemen

Fucking annoying if you ask me

>>378833448
>Lanius taking over the legion afterwards
I still can't believe people don't realize that this is the true heir to the legion

>alpha motherfucker took on NCR platoons 5 times his size and was still growing Cottonwood Cove into a Mother Base tier forward camp

>>378834372
Yes Man was in the Tops

>>378834608
yeah but Benny's plan couldn't have been to kill house, because he would have had no idea how z it was to break in

>>378834572
They make it pretty explicit that Lanius knows about war but is absolutely ignorant about anything else. He doesn't even want to lead the Legion, if I remember correctly.

>>378822090
>Its a role playing game, high enough speech SHOULD allow the player to get a rainbow ending

By that logic, a high enough speech should allow you to convince a heterosexual into homosex.

Some things are never gonna happen. Scope and limitations dude.

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>>378834572
forgot pic

>>378820048
>have power armor, actual military training and lazer weapons
>lose to a bunch of dudes with rifles because they outnumber you, even though their weapons can't pierce power armor
>they somehow have problems beating dudes who use swords as primary weapons

>>378833612
The thing is that Lanius only cares about making war and not managing the entire state of the Legion and the war would be a complete waste if they lose since Caesar specifically stated that he also needed Vegas to be his Rome, Legion's capital.

>>378834768
>even though their weapons can't pierce power armor

The siege lasted weeks. Also in the end the brotherhood just had to leave, it wasn't some kind of decisive victory for the NCR.

>>378834698
I was referring to Aurelius
>>378834748

>>378834748
makes sense

Aurelius, Marcus Aurelius

in fact if his competency was based on Marcus Aurelius, it's a nice commentary on how context can change how the potential of a person is used

>>378834895
Yeah, I realized when you posted the pic. I got confused without the context

>>378834845
Is that a Pyrrhic victory then? for the NCR I mean. Does that mean the NCR just threw troops at them ineffectually?

>>378834984
If there's one thing the NCR have, it's bodies to throw into their problems until they solve themselves

>>378834984
>Does that mean the NCR just threw troops at them ineffectually?
that's literally what happened
It's like playing Dawn of War and having Space Marine face off the Imperial Guard

>>378830030
>In the end they harass people for tech for every ending.
>He didn't keep the original leader who can be convinced to listen to your reasoning and eventually has the NCR and the Brotherhood working together to secure peace in the Mojave while they both work on technology.

>>378834768
It wouldn't be completely out of the question that the NCR used missile launchers and artillery as well.

As for having trouble beating Caesar's Legion, guerrilla warfare/insurgency style warfare has always been hard for armies to deal with. Even professionally trained and high quality armies like the US Army and given that the NCR is stretched thin and that a lot of NCR troops are conscripts whilst even Legion Recruits are battle hardened. It's understandable why NCR troops are having trouble against the Legion.

>>378833612
Lanius isn't an idiot which is why he decides to retreat if your speech check succeeds. Ulysses makes it clear that Lanius is a monster but he i will not fight a losing battle because it would destroy his reputation. Although we could debate what merit could truly be extrapolated from that optional conversation path, there's clearly enough of truth in it that Lanius would actually halt his campaign.

>>378835115
I remember getting an ending that told me the NCR and the Brotherhood kept fighting but would spontaneously stop and do trading when inside the Mojave and I thought that was cute.

>>378834845
There shouldn't even be a siege. How the fuck did they win if they can't kill any of the paladins?

>>378834690
His plan was to somehow kill House and take control of the Securitrons and have a free NV with a dominant chairmen. Yes Man told him the platinum chip was somehow important and that a courier was delivering it and then the game starts.

>>378835229
Starve them out. Wear them down. That's what a siege is.

>>378820048
>bunch of tech tribals/raiders
>worthy allies
He didn't want them blowing his stuff up every time they catch a robot of his.

The real question is why the NCR are cast in a good light when they are straight up trying to steal land through betrayal and murder.

>>378835345
They really aren't, though. Everyone hates NCR, from Goodsprings to the Strip.

>>378835345
>The real question is why the NCR are cast in a good light
They aren't. Literally everyone you meet says they don't want to pay the taxes for the NCR to be there once their towns are taken over and how all the soldiers in the Strip abuse their power and are drunk assholes.

>>378835564
Most of the NCR you meet are good people that just want to protect others. Only the top brass and that one soldier at aerotech who shoots the guy over an insult are bad.

>>378835345
Nobody, not even the citizens like the current NCR
at most you have marcus saying they will eventually suffer revolutions because they roll over everything on their path

>>378820174
>most people will side with Mr House in this single player only game
Big fucking whoop.

The balance autist is at it again.

>>378835819
I imagine the goal is to present a nuanced conflict that asks you to choose between flawed but practical ideologies based on what you personally value as an individual

Having everyone side with one faction kind of defeats the purpose.

>>378835741
Assuming you were a random person, not a fighter or particularly tough. Whose territory would you rather live in?

I know I'd choose NCR for a relatively safe and "free" existence

It would've been great if you could say, work in a coup with that ranger chief instead of just saying "stop doing shit that will kill more rangers old man"

>>378836139
By a long shot NCR is the best outta everything we saw in the franchise, heck they even got vault city so yeah.

>>378836148
He didn't want a coup he just wanted his soldiers to go back home to california.

>>378820048
I've never finished New Vegas.
Should I make a Samurai Character or a Cowboy character to play through?

Thank you robot.

>>378835819
The "balance" is what makes the game be debated almost a decade later. If it were like fo4, the debate would've stopped years ago.

>>378837651
Cowboy obviously, there's more western themes and you'll be able to play your character more easily.

>>378837651
There's no katanas in NV but plenty of cowboy shit

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>>378831520
No

>>378837651
a Cowboy Samurai

>>378837868
>There's no katanas in NV
Actually they do exist, they are sold randomly by merchants

>>378837775
Yeah but then he's less distinct. It needs a hook to keep my ADD brain interested.

>>378837868
There's definitely a katana because I got one in a previous play session. I think it's a gun runners thing.

The reason I even have Samurai is because I remember my failed attempt at a melee character once and I've been binging Kurosawa films and Samurai Jack all month.

Though thank you for your guidance wise robot, I'll think on cowboys some more.

>>378838036
If you have Fallout 3 you could TTW the samurai armour or if you have autism and know how the modding tools work (like I do) you could rip it out and implement it in NV relatively easily.

>>378820048
beacuse they bunch of tech fascists that will hord tech for no reason. they rather die than have a tech overlord rule over them.

Is the monster mod any good

>>378838232
I'd like it if it only added monsters from old games, but it adds a bunch of useless bullshit

>>378836148
Hanlon's plan was 'let Caesar skin and eat Mojave alive, only our boys matter.' While he was a realistic asshole he was still an asshole, and his bullshit got people killed.

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>>378837956
>cowboy samurai
Is such a thing possible?

I'm not sure why I didn't think of that.

>>378838618
>he didn't play Red Steel
granted I didn't play it either but it has a cowboy samurai as the player's character

>>378838415
This squared. I tried it yesterday, and among the geckos guarding that fridge near Goodsprings was some sort of a large iguana, a deathclaw using a gecko mesh, and a humanoid gecko with a club and so many hit points that sneak attacks from a laser rifle would barely tell. Later I got attacked by snorks re-branded as 'feral mercs'.

Avoid.

>>378820905
I'm doing ny first playthrough now, and even though character that would definitely want to side with Yes Man, there is no way she'd survive trying to kill House, so she does what's best for her and sides with him.

>>378834183
>deliver the chip to House
>refuse the other missions
>blow all the payment on the casinos
>go home

>>378831745
I couldn't stand Tactics. It's a very different game compared to Fallout 1/2, despite how similar it looks.

>>378839403
One of the dummied-out endings was you simply walking out of that gate at NCR Outpost. I don't understand why it wasn't left in, it was brilliant.

>>378829897
I sided with Daniel because I hadnt gotten that ending yet, and because I felt like protecting the Sorrows innocence after reading through all the Randall Clarke entries.

>>378839403
The way I do it is I give House the chip, tell him to fuck off, do the DLC and learn about Ulysses and talk him down by promising to "carry the shadow of a nation behind me," whatever that means.

>>378839574
Because it's a cop-out. If you really didn't care about the plot, then you wouldn't have played the game. Unlike Fallout 3, New Vegas was not intended to be an amusement park.

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>>378825815
>show it
>show it
>show it
I'm Maxson and I know it.

>>378837651
Well, it is pretty much the best western game ever made.

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>>378820048
Because that route content has been cut pre-release

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>>378837651
I'm playing a lucky Cowboy character, shit's great. Cowboy perk gives a nice +20% damage to a variety of weapons.
I'm Medicine Stick to snipe, Ranger Sequoia for armored enemies, Lucky for light enemies, Cowboy repeater because why not, Chance's Knife for melee, and a heap of dynamite.
No more equipment besides a hat and light armor. I want to upgrade from the troublemaker outfit, but don't know to which. Sheriff's Duster is shit, Ranger armor is medium and looks bulky. The Lonesome Road dusters look great, but I'll have to either do LS right now, or cheat it in.

>>378839791
That argument doesn't really work in a game that starts you off with a roughly defined character but doesn't give you any in-character reasons to care about the plot. You're a Stranger archetype, and once you square your business with House the character of the Courier is done with Mojave. Everything else comes purely from the player's proclivities.

>>378839963
What about bounty hunter duster

>>378839852
>>>reddit

>>378840383
*?

>>378840383
not him but I still don't know where to find that, enemies don't even wear it and it's not sold anywhere

>>378840548
Do quests for the Garrets.

>>378820048

You could make House leave BoS alone but they've disabled that route pre-release. There's a mod that re-adds that possiblity.

>>378820174
Let me guess, it's because of FO3, isn't it?

>>378827448
I think this is the general reaction when it first came out, since no one was prepared for what they were going into.

Nowadays I make sure I have a reasonable Unarmed stat before heading in.

>>378840896
>Nowadays I make sure I have a reasonable Unarmed stat before heading in.
Why?

>>378840781
More because House route would be even easier than it is now, and be the only one where the player would have an option to completely avoid doing shady stuff.

>>378840896
That's not why DM sucks.

>>378840896
Not needed at all. I came in with a shitty Guns and Melee/Unarmed stat, and did just fine.

>>378822057
and? that makes it less stupid? shit series, shit franchise. sad!

>>378829946
I chose to have them join the fight at first because I thought it'd be good for them to learn to defend their home. I wasn't expecting the fighting to so deeply affect their culture though. They become militant and aggressive and they end up butting heads frequently in the future with the Dead Horses. The tribal innocence that led them to care even for their enemies is dead, and in the end I think that's more worthy of preservation than having another aggressive tribe to add to the conflict in the area. In the end the outcome ends up almost the same anyway, the White Legs die out (takes longer if you allow the Sorrows to leave but it's worth it), Happy Trails Caravans gets business going in the area, and you can calm Joshua down either way. The only difference is whether you want to let the Sorrows degenerate into a bunch of shitheads and ruin Daniel's life just because he was too emotionally attached to them.

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>>378831158
>Why would the tribes become violent to each other because you kill off the White Legs?
it's almost like time passes by and just because you were on the same team at one point doesn't mean shit won't change in the future

who would have thought?

>>378840896

What? The police revolver is an all around solid gun with plenty of ammo available.

>>378825984

I know the dialog wheel system was stupid, but the character doesn't actually say "HATE NEWSPAPERS" when you select it. They say "Newspapers just like to stir up trouble"

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>>378822716
Good job anon! You really baited the fuck out of those new Vegas fags! I hope you're happy with fallout™ 4's new dlc, "more settlement things, a mod we stole from Nexus"

>>378826351
The Legion is a better allegory for the Macedonian empire than the Roman
a supposedly barbarian people conquering a whole lot of shit led by a charismatic conqueror
hell i hope we see Caesar dead and there'll be some diadochi shit

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>>378834038
>he

>>378843073
I can definitely see Caesar's Legion splintering into mini empires like Vulpes' state, Lanius warband, Lucius' mercs etc.

>>378841792
Daniel is an idealist who wants to keep the Sorrows ignorant of the world because of his own religious beliefs. Even though so many Sorrows think otherwise the whole tribe will follow Joshua into war. There are no good options in HH, but Daniel's route would doom them in the long run. Innocence is so precious because no one can really afford it.

>>378843179
replace this with something related to Lanius and it'll be golden

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forgot image

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>>378843261

>related to Lanius
>Lanius warband

>>378831745
They wanted you to play it like a realtime game juggling several characters but it's incredibly frustrating to play it like that, and the story is just not as good as 1 or 2.

>>378843073
The Legion is a better allegory for a warlord who thinks he's the new Caesar or Alexander but everyone under him only values the ability to destroy what others have built and take what others have worked for, and who horribly murder everyone who challenges their way of thinking. Edward thinks he's created the vaccine for AIDS when he's actually injecting actual AIDS into people.

>>378831745
It is its own thing. Pretty enjoyable, but in terms of lore violation is just as bad F3.

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>>378843583
NCRIDF detected
You'll cowards can't even do shit properly. Enjoy collapsing either if you take the dam or you lose, gayfag degenerates.

>>378820048
>people unironically choose to be cucked by human raisin.

I never got why bethdrones go on about "2deep4u" because they actually put effort into their writting

>>378826351
>>378843073
They're like the Mongols under Genghis: a preexisting people scattered about that are unified into a singular, extremely unified and disciplined fighting force that makes extensive use of terror tactics and will be ultimately undone by a succession crisis.

>>378833629
I hate legion but I would actually love to see that happen
>would expand on legion drastically giving us some more lore to them
>would give goody goody types an actual challenge to fight against

>>378843179
>New Fallout game is titled Fallout: Legion
>game's factions are the Caesar's successor's state led by Vulpes, Lanius, Lucius and Aurelius
>you can choose to join a faction and make it ally with whichever faction you want
>or you can persuade two factions to fight together
>or you can unite them into a new Legion
fund it

>>378820048
it would have made the choice too obvious
cut content mod it back in etc

It there any mods to make stealing more realistic?
Why would someone kill you for picking up a can off the floor

Why do people bait each other? What's the point?
I don't understand. I thought NV fags was better than this.

>>378843930
Pot calling kettle black. Go squat in your reek while slaves grow radioactive turnips for you.

>>378820123
>forming an alliance with someone more powerful than you

>>378845130
There's an autists who constantly has mental breakdowns about these threads not being on /vg/. He's probably turned to full time shitposting now.

>>378845215
There sure are a ton of autists on /v/ I only know of AC Fag, That La-Mulana Weeb that shits up metroidvania threads, and Barneyfag (If you're seeing this hi Lee)

>>378845501
>There sure are a ton of autists on /v/
Is this your first day on the internet?
There's a lot of autists on the internet, and 4chan isn't any different.

>>378832202
because some couriers aren't meant to lead

unless you have 10 INT and 10 CH your courier has no place going independent - unless it's going independent without the intent to lead the mojave

>>378845215
he's in the other thread right now, he literally makes me laugh. barney fag is just pathetic something about the /vg/ autist is cute though. like purity in his madness

I'll admit though, I can talk about NV all day but it is a bit annoying every day. Makes the threads cheaper. plus I think OP is a (you) whore

>>378834308
You're playing the game wrong

I literally did not even complete the game solely because it wouldn't make sense for the character I was RPing to fight over the dam.

>nukes got laucnhed
>world in anarchy
>only trully lawfull place is with the legion
>only trully stable areas are legion territories back in their homeland
>food and water, no adictions, everyone can fend for themselves fine in the wastes
>somehow always bottom tier in everyones list for the future of NV

I dont get it, NCR is just a dying old world relic that just wants to milk the place and not fix it at all, House literaly couldnt care about anything but his own city and his own ideas of progress when haf the desert doesnt even have a good food and water supply, anarchy and leading the strip is good for power to the PC but other than that would just be worse overall and the legion, while somewhat prone to colapse after Caesar dies, still grants law and a sense of properity to the place by making everyone work or get the machete to the balls, and even after the old coot dies, you still have a bunch of hard working people who aren't in any way shape or form pussies ike the NCR are, fit to live in the world the nukes made.

Legion really is the best outcome in terms of survivability and thriving, isn't it? No crime, no drugs, making food and a stable place, much like the outer town outside of vegas.

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>>378846126
>freeside
>no crime
>no drugs

>>378846202
I didnt mean freeside nigger, the other one outside of vegas, not next to it. Had a community farm thing going on, even a super mutant with a lisp.

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>>378846271
>has a brothel
>no crime

>>378844459
Sounds like a great mod for Mount & Blade Bannerlord

>>378844982
You violated the NAP

>>378843904
Something something /vg/

>>378846126
Because most of what you listed as an argument is not true. For all its internal problems NCR heartland is nearly back to pre-war levels of civilization. Mojave managed to chug along for two centuries without centralized government because there was no major crisis or threat beyond local raiders. Mankind recovered without having to resort to revolting, subhuman degeneracies Caesar preaches as necessary for survival. In Mojave, his orcs bring nothing to the table. People have already rebuilt.

>>378843941
>people unironically choose to be cock sleeves for super tumor raider

>>378846126
>no drugs/addictions because if you do anything other than praise a dying man like a God you die
>plenty of food and water because 75% of your population are slaves who don't get any of that anyway
>stability, because "serve me or die" seems to actually work for once

>>378846464
Brothels are not illegal nigger. Where are live they are fully legal.

>>378846464
its vegas baby

>that other New Vegas thread is already being spammed by the /vg/ autist

> don't keep mr house waiting!
> proceed to slowly fuck him over without paying a visit for weeks

>>378849650
>tfw doing an Independent run
>realise I'm going to have to kill Mr House
I already feel bad just by thinking about it, he just wants the best for Vegas

>>378831745
It's awful. Avoid it at all costs.

>>378849930
I'm tired of independant runs. I'm going to do a House run and wipe out legion, and maybe NCR. I never have the heart to wipe out NCR save nuking the long 15 if only for the sake of saying "I crippled them at least"

>>378825956
Not an argument

>>378850480
And?

new reno game when

>>378834038
>since the courier is the most competent person in the wasteland
[citation needed]
Independent ending is literally a coinflip

Flip a coin. If heads, the Courier is a joke character not fit to lead the Wasteland, and you destroyed all the established power structures for no reason at all

>>378820048
It goes against his morals of "it's my way or nothing" and gives you a glimpse into what working with House would really be like in the long run.

>>378820841

The Brotherhood of steel fought against the ncr over Helios one and lost. The ncr then expanded into the Mojave and made the brotherhood irrelevant.

Super mutants can talk because they're supposed to be stronger than us, smarter than us and more willing to cooperate with each other. They were supposed to be the next evolutionary step for us humans in fallout 1.

The enclave lost in fallout 2. The ncr either absorbed some high members or murdered them. Everyone else hid. Remember this game takes place a few decades after the enclave lost thanks to the chosen one. In FNV there's still remnants of the original enclave but they're old.

I don't know why they're blue to be honest. It could be the addiction and side effects to stealth boys. Since only the knightkin are blue while other super mutants are greenish like Marcus.

any mods like http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout3/mods/18434/? for new vegas?

>>378849650
im gonna 180° back into the strip from the gate and visit the nigga today

HD remake of Vegas when?
one of the best games of all time deserves a rerelease

>>378820905
>play trough mostly siding with NCR
>side with Yes Man at the end
>backstab the entire republic and take the land for my own

>>378852520
t. todd

>>378820905
House personally, as soon as I learned the NCR taxed the hell out of their citizens and basically stole fuck tons of cattle I turned on those shitters.

>>378820905
NCR first before I knew it was corrupt, the House but realized he wouldnt do shit for the mohave, then independant but shit just got worse, then Legion and shit was alright.

>>378821905
holy fuck

>>378853165
do not bring IRL political shitflinging into NV threads thanks.

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>>378853165
>trump would be inteligent if he wasnt a russian puppet
>trump would be functionally immortal if he wasnt a russian puppet
>trump would have a robot army if he wasn't a retarded russian puppet

>>378853165
>guarenteedreplies.jpg

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>>378839574
>dummied-out endings
Stop saying wrong things on the internet

>>378846464
Considering the alternatives to making caps I think selling your pussy would be a lucrative business. It's like water but you always have it.

>>378853165
>still not deleted
They seriously need to fucking crack down on this shit.

>>378855087
Unlike water, people don't need it to live

And the potential for competition is immense

>>378821465
Because the character was literally based off Howard Hughes. I wouldn't be surprised if Andrew Ryan was also influenced by Howard Hughes as well, he has become a symbol of rugged capitalist individuality

>>378820841
i want fallout 3 babbies to leave

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>>378820841

Because the brotherhood would probably try to raid his shit sooner or later because they're all filthy technophiles and House has a ton of pre war technology.