This game is absolute garbage

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>>378817651
>there's a forced 50% win rate

>>378817651
>there's a forced 50% win rate
This meme needs to die
Literally no game does this
If your winrate floats around 50%, that means the matchmaking is doing exactly what it's supposed to

>Play this game so I can fap to Officer Dva
>Join game
>That one guy that takes 2 hours to load the map because of his toaster

don't see how people can fucking play this game

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>>378817651
MALTHAEL BOYS, GET FUCKING HYPED.
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/heroes/malthael/#?skin=aspect-of-death

>>378818037
>calculates a players skill level
>when they reach about a 50% win/loss ratio the game calculates the best possible players to ensure that you stay 50%
>you start to go up, they put the people with sub 40% win rates on your team
>starts to go down gives you 55+% win rates on your team and puts you against retards

jaja you are the deciding factor sure, but unless your a god and pick the most op hard carry hero you'll be stuck around 50%

>>378817890
>>378818037
There is. Just ask yourself the question: how come people who play games in real life never have 50% win rates?

After having a win streak, the game purposefully gives you shit teammates in ranked. In quick matches, it also sabotages your chances of winning by putting such ridiculous comps together like 3 tanks two assassins vs a normal team, in addition to giving you teammates that suck donkey balls.

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>>378818393
>Asthmalthael
>Another assassin

>>378818037
>that means the matchmaking is doing exactly what it's supposed to
...by forcing a 50% win rate

>>378818427
>jaja
BUILD
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>>378817651
>laning is irrelevant

t. wood league

>>378818427
No, that isn't how it works. it doesn't match you with shitters to ensure you drift down from >50, if you're consistently winning it matches you with higher and higher skilled players until you're in over your head and you start losing more often. Over time this places you with people more and more precisely at your skill level and at that point you should be winning 50% of your games on average.

>>378818515
If matching you with equally skilled players is "forcing a 50% win rate" to you then sure, but that's a pretty retarded way of looking at it.
I don't understand what you'd want it to do instead, just keep putting you in lower elo games than your rank and giving you free wins?

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>>378818516
Garrosh hero when?

>>378818427
>your

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>>378818834
I hope soon.

>>378818834
>via 9gag.com

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>>378817651
Stop playing QM and play unranked draft or ranked. Not only are the ques faster you have a much better chance of having a real team

>>378818802
>If matching you with equally skilled players is "forcing a 50% win rate" to you then sure, but that's a pretty retarded way of looking at it.

Where's the benefit in being good at a game if you're going to lose 50% of your games no matter what you do?

>>378819062
Well, until you reach your peak, you'll be winning more than losing.
But once you're there this is just how games work, I don't know what you expect

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>>378817651
OP, you're going about it all wrong. What you do is simple.
See pic related? His name is Alarak. Alarak is going to be your best friend.
Why? Because Alarak's trait is 'Sadism', which increases all damage his abilities do to Heroes by a base 100%. Now, you might be wondering "But how useful is that?", and let me tell you, he can get up to 135% if you aren't completely brain dead. Now that's fun and all, but there's something even better. He gets an ability option at level 13 called "Rite of Rak'shir", that applies a five minute debuff on a five minute cooldown. If you kill the person with the debuff, you gain 6% Sadism, and hitting them with your Q grants 3%. This bonus does not have a limit.
So what does that have to do with anything? Simple. Alarak can effectively murder half the heroes in the game with a single cast if you're smart enough to get his Sadism up past 250%, and honestly that isn't even hard.
Now get Alarak, build up that Sadism, and murder the ever living fuck out of anyone and everyone. HotS is good for stress relief, and nobody relieves stress like Alarak.

>>378819512
>tfw reached 230% today thanks to a murky

>>378819512
but what if the butcher stuns him into a full 5v1 dogpile?

>>378819512
I also forgot to mention, killing the debuffed heroes sets Rite of Rak'shir to a ten second Cooldown. So see those three enemy heroes taking mercs? Free Sadism. Eat them like fucking popcorn.
>>378819736
Counter Strike those impudent idiots for daring to strike the Highlord. With enough Sadism that should kill one or two. And then use your W, it's there for a reason.

I don't understand the forced 50 win rate meme. Do you fucks just want to steam roll through brain dead players all day or what?

>>378819512
Quick question, if I clone him with abathar do I get his current stacks?

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>>378820108
I actually don't know. That sounds hilarious, horrifying, and extremely productive.

>>378818482
They already had an angel warrior and angel support, what did you expect?

how big of a retard do you have to be to play ranked mode in any game

you're not even playing for fun, you simply get a minuscule amount of pleasure on the offchance that you win and your points go up +10

>>378817651
>>378818472
>Forced 50%
I just started playing like two months ago and have a 60% QM win-rate over 200 matches. I had a 56% win-rate over 1700 matches in Dota 2. Fuck off with your shitty stale meme.

>>378819512
I still dont understand how his W works

>>378820426
>60%
Have fun with your loss streak friendo

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>>378818516
BUILD THAT WALL AND MAKE THE FORSAKEN PAY FOR IT

this game is destined to fail, just like sc2 and diablo 3

>Arthas
>Malthael
>Xul
>Guldan
>Auriel with demonic skin
Rate my team
Probably swap guldan for Reaper if he ever gets into hots

>>378818516
Small White Dick

>>378821002
edge/10

>>378818472
i noticed this in smite, i always wondered if i was purposely get stupid team mates or if it was just bad luck.

>>378820693
Click and drag direction you want to send yourself or them.Typical combo is E>WPull>Q

>>378817651
OP is right about one thing, the MM is fucking rigged or broken. Had a game the other day in which the enemy team had TWO(2) healers, Lucio & Li-Li, and our team had NONE. Not even a half-support, like Tyrande, Tass, Medivh, or Zarya.

The surprising thing is that my team still won, but there is absolutely no reason the MM couldn't have split those healers equally between our two teams. This shit happens all the time too, especially with specialists. One team will end up with 3 specialists, 1 tank and 1 assassin, while the other team gets 4 assassins and a tank.

>>378817651
>qm give you the good old chogall + 3 support team comp

Shy is it that when I play with characters like chogall, genji, abathur the one on my team is absolute dogshit while the one on the other team is mvp?

>>378819512
Alarak is 2hard

>>378821809
It's broken. Specialists are considered damage dealers in the matchmaking so they get weighted in odd ways.

>>378817651
HOTS is best moba. If it had items and a single-player it would be 10x better.

If the majority of your moba game is not fighting other heroes you may as well be playing a co-op team game vs the minions and structures.

Best heroes are:

>Ragnaros
So fucking good with lava wave
YUGE pushing power
An interesting thing is how everyone complains about people running forwards to get away from a boulder but they do it in meteor blast!

>Abathur
Huge xp soak for team
Egg on highest spell damage on team and get kills
YUGE pushing power

>>378822028
Listen here supplicant, because the Highlord's about to educate you.
So, that 100% Sadism is really appealing, isn't it? Yeah, well it's gonna drop until you get to 13. Take the Lightning Surge range extension, make sure you can aim it.
After that, get the Q quest, and again, make sure you can aim.
Next up is the W slow, which is amazing IF YOU CAN AIM.
Never, under any circumstances that involve enemy heroes with any kind of mobility, take the Charge ult. ALWAYS go Counter. It is so much better than the Charge at that point. You may want to take it at 20 though.
So, Level 13 is important,mbecuase Rite of Rak'shir is quite literally the most powerful Talent in the game, since it lets you go above the 130 Sadism limit. Remember your Sadism going down earlier? Now's the time to fix it.
Mocking Strikes, the CD reducer, is also hilarious, especially against slower enemies who don't have a big escape. Landing some hits on a target slowed by Telekinesis means you get another one, and the cycle continues.
Now Level 20 has two big choices. You can either get Hasty Bargain, which resets cooldowns at the cost of Sadism, or Deadly Charge, which is good for initiating and slamming runners but not much else. Last laugh is kinda bad though, or at least it was.
And some tips to remember;
>W pushes you too. Makes baiting enemies into tower shits much easier
>E heals for hero hit, so AIM
>Counter Strike makes you invincible for two seconds. To everything
>HIT YOUR FUCKING Q. One of the best Silences in the game.
>While not mandatory, insulting your team while also claiming that every fight your team wins is all because of you really gets you into the mindset.

>>378822998
>insulting your team
The Highlord does not have time to mock peasants, he is there to revel in the slaughter he single handedly delivers. I approve of the rest.

>>378823578
>The Highlord does not have time to mock peasants

Sure doesn't seem like it. The dick is always telling me he's met better healers than me.

>>378817890
>>378818472
>>378820426

Ive been playing on and off since the alpha and have around 2900 games. It really feels like whenever your mmr starts rising, game will put you in teams with lower average mmr than yours and if you dont get lucky you are guaranteed to lose.

Winrate only gets higher or drops lower from 50% for heroes specific winrates.

>>378818482

Imperius will be a bruiser like Sonya or Varian and the last remaining one will be a specialist so that you can have a angel only team.

>>378821002
no illidan, no 10,000 years of hatred, cmon man step it up

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Let's take a moment and appreciate Blizz's asses.

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>>378824620
God bless Tyrande and her giant purple behind

>>378820108
>>378820213
No, abathur doesn't copy talents at all, but he does get the base sadism boost.

>>378824620
I want to Wave of Force myself on Li-Ming.

>>378818037

Look.

I need to educate you.

50% winrate was patented by Wargaming.net years ago.

https://www.google.com/patents/US8425330

Check the bottom of this page for fun - you can see that sveral companies (not blizzard though) have referenced this patent openly.

Pretty sure Blizz does it too but I can't prove it, so...talk to Reynad, he pretty much proved it in Hearthstone.

>>378825358
Did you even read the other fucking posts?

>Malthael's damage output is more percentage-based than mechanics in Ulduar
I dont know what Blizzard means by this but I dont think the answer to a 2-tank meta is to make an anti-tank hero

HotS seems like a mash-up between LoL/Dota 2 and WoW battlegrounds.

Would have been way better if they went the Smite route instead of the top-down route.

>>378824480
Illidan is a gud boi now so he lost edgepoints

>>378824812
Id release ten thousand years worth of semen in that butt

>>378826514
Smite\Paragon are the shittest of shit.

Anyone who thinks that view is good is a fucking retard.

The only good views for RPGs are top down and FPS. The only good view for mobas is top down.

>>378827012
But Paragon has ACTUAL graphics

What other tablet games you play bros?

I'm playing heavily now

Modern Strike
Shadowverse

thinking of playing HoS as well but i'm not really into Mobas . I also want to try out War Robots

>>378827012
HotS is barely a moba.

There's no strategic element to the game. You soak, you team fight, that's it.

>>378827173
>last hitting is strategic

>>378827074
Noice, love it.

>>378827173
If everyone in dota2 played the game perfectly the only game-play left is team-fighting. Team-fighting is the core of a moba and if you disagree you are a shitter who can't farm and can't make good decisions.

who gives a shit, everyone only plays it to get free stuff on other blizz games

>>378827420
>If everyone in dota2 played the game perfectly the only game-play left is team-fighting.
No, if everyone played the game perfectly the only gameplay left is nothing.
That makes no fucking sense

>>378827453
I only play other games for free HotS stuff

>>378827492
t. brainlet
he's saying all the mechanics are unimportant since they rely entirely on human error. an AI can effortlessly complete them, while an AI cannot teamfight at a high level effectively.

>>378827492
Confirmed for retard.

>>378827529
good for you, bubby

>>378818472
It's because the better you perform, the better performing opponents you're matched against. It's that simple.
Team mates are always shit, because it's hard to effectively communicate with them. They think you're shit as well.

>>378827746
They need to at least incorporate voip at some point

Ive never heard anyone use voip in OW for anything constructive but at least it has it

>>378827558
t. brainlet
There's far more to the game than raw mechanics and teamfighting. Dota is primarily a tactics game, there's a lot of mind games and baiting and faking each other out. AI can't do that either. I can't even comprehend how stupid you have to be to think the game is literally nothing but raw rote mechanics and then teamfights.

>>378827586
>shitpost instead of an argument
:^)

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>>378821809
>the match making gave the enemies a way better team!
>but we still won
So it was a fair match then?

>>378827879
>being this dumb
holy fucking shit, assfaggots players really are the stupidest

>>378819062
>Where's the benefit in being good
You get to play against other good people. Do you think it's fun roflstomping bad players? In that case you have a lack of self esteem.

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>>378828096
>realize you were wrong and you're incapable of defending yourself
>"h-hurrr ur dum"

>>378827860
Yeah, people don't want to be social while gaming I guess. Stagefright maybe.

If you want to perform, you're gonna have to play with a group of friends and set up a discord or some shit.

>>378828275
Read, nigga. It was already said.

>>378827420
>If everyone in dota2 played the game perfectly
Good thing they don't and never will.

HotS doesn't even give you the opportunity to "play perfectly" since ever game is basically on rails. You're beholden to objectives which are decided upon by an AI. You play the objective which is basically little more than the game deciding where team fights occur. All the while XP is automatically being gathered with zero resource management present anywhere.

>>378817651
>this game is a complete and utter failure of design

How long did it take you to figure that out?

>>378817651
>there's a forced 50% win rate
i went 35 and 6 with ragnaros in quick match the month before yesterday's patch nerfed him, so you are wrong

>>378820426
Forced 50% doesn't mean literally 50% you fucking retard. That's impossible. Look at how extremely close your shit is to 50% anyway.

>>378819062
>Where's the benefit in being good at a game if you're going to lose 50% of your games no matter what you do?

you arent. professional players regularly pull 60% and higher over a shitton of matches.

the thing is really simple - if you are much better than the rating you are at, then you will win much more than half of your games.
winning much more than half of your games also makes your rating go up very quickly.
at some point, you will arrive at a rating that fits your skill. by definition, you will now be put in matches with teammates and opponents who are on average about as good or bad as you are, resulting in you winning roughly 50% of your matches at this rating.

some guy in dota2 actually made a point to disprove the "forced 50%" meme that scrubs have been whining about since forever - he was a really good player who took over the account of a really bad player. the account was at ~3000 rating when he started, he quickly pushed it up to over ~5000, maintaining something like 70% win in the process.
at the end he arrived just below 6000, and the higher he got, the more his win rate approached 50%.
http://archive.playdota.com/threads/im-gonna-need-a-3000-3500-account.1398477/

>>378828391
And it was replied to and you can't come up with anything

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>>378827879
Yes you need tactics, in and around your team-fights. The only other way to win is to ratdota or the other team to ignore you fighting or be so shit you can 1 v 5 them with void at 15 minutes.

What the fuck mind games? You can bait\mind game in any game what the fuck are you talking about right now? The core is team fighting and that's it.

>>378828419
>Good thing they don't and never will.
Yeah and that's how you get shit games in dota, most of you don't even play the game. It's hilarious how much you guys love laning for 10 minutes before the game can really start and you don't even do it right and can't even play the game!

Don't get me wrong, dota2 is a fun game but no-one understands they are so shit they aren't even playing the game yet. (Including you)

>All the while XP is automatically being gathered with zero resource management present anywhere.
Confirmed for not even playing hots.

At least I play dota2 so I know wtf it's about.

>>378828864
>You can bait\mind game in any game what the fuck are you talking about right now?
I didn't say you can't do it in other games, I said it's a far bigger part of the game and has more power than in something like HotS.
Reading comprehension

>>378828949
>I said it's a far bigger part of the game and has more power than in something like HotS
But that's wrong.

HOTS is literally the best MOBA available right now

Dota 2 added a shitty version of HOTS talents
LoL added a shitty version of HOTS map objectives

>>378829143
>HOTS is literally the best MOBA available right now

By what metric?

>>378829259
The only metric available for video games.

fun

>>378829315
Fun is a buzzword, not a metric.

>>378829143
hots is the only moba i currently play.
that said, its very shallow and lacks the complexity / depth of dota. the shared exp system and lack of gold/items is a big factor here - as a result, kills/deaths feel like they matter a whole lot less than they do in dota, farming is nonexistant, a whole layer of strategy / decision making is completely absent, and a shitton of tactical options are removed from the game.

>>378829140
>But that's wrong.
Tell me why, then.

Dota has smoke of deceit plus huge initiation power, it has low cooldown teleports on everyone, it has buybacks, you have to do a whole lot more to win a game than just win teamfights. You can completely take a shit all over the other team and be in their base but if a furion teleports into yours and you aren't prepared to deal with it, you lose.

HotS is simple teamfighting, pushing, and objective taking.

>>378829259
Better gameplay, faster paced, best waifus, multiple maps, did I mention best waifus?

Coming from Nexus Challenge 2.0, the lootboxes really made me want to keep on playing the game. Until I realized that I never get heroes, and when I do, it's usually a dupe.

>>378829659
>he doesn't know how to soak

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>>378829789
You have fast paced and better waifus. The gameplay is a lot more shallow in what an individual can do, kills are unrewarding and you better hope your team listen to the map objectives otherwise the game is lost. Multiple maps isn't an objectively good thing when all of them are so straightforward with little room for variety, the Zerg map, the Halloween one, and the Egyptian one in specific.

>>378829789
>simpler gameplay
ftfy
>faster paced
Sure.
>waifus
"No."
>multiple maps
considering Dota 2 has all the custom maps you can handle, no.

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>>378830137
as a person that spent a decade last hitting creeps in DotA(1) the variety in maps and the focus on hero brawling is a god send to a bored veteran of the genre such as myself.
I did enjoy the skill ceiling in laning but i've definitely grown tired of the old mechanics and am plenty entertained by just focusing on actual hero on hero combat.

>>378830137
>The gameplay is a lot more shallow in what an individual can do

It's the same "3 buttons and an ult" that every other MOBA does, ffs

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>>378823725
>oh hanamura
>cassia gets killing blow on a fort
>Alarak: When you return to your home, tell them of this victory I have brought you

>>378818515
If it's a forced 50% then shouldn't it be impossible to be master?

>>378817651
Isn't the whole point of having an MMR system that people win and lose about the same amount of games, rather then constantly winning or losing? A fifty percent winrate probably just means you're at your proper rank

>>378829718

>Dota has smoke of deceit plus huge initiation power
Yes, smoke does help you team fight better and gank (Although you should only be able to gank if the other team makes a mistake or if the other team uses it to bait you into their own initiation while you are on cd).

>it has low cooldown teleports on everyone
I am not sure what you mean here.

>it has buybacks
Which allows you to either team fight again or delay a team fight.

>you have to do a whole lot more to win a game than just win teamfights
Well, yeah you should do those things but after you do those things it's just team fights. Once you have done those things a million times you realise it's just fluff for no reason.

>You can completely take a shit all over the other team and be in their base but if a furion teleports into yours and you aren't prepared to deal with it, you lose.
If you play correctly and tp back to push the furion back it just delays either another teamfight \ furion rat.

>>378821809
Just play unranked if you don't want to get shit comps

>>378817651
This game is actually great and you sound like a mad scrub

>>378830726
this
people that don't understand ELO are literally too retarded to play this game properly

>>378818834
>>378818915

he would do nothing sonya or varian does not already do, so keep dreaming

>>378818393
K I N O
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Agree, the game is garbage specially with that stupid ass engine.

>>378818393
Oh good another assassin that heals.

What? No button to turn invincible for 1-5 seconds this time? No stealth? What a pity. At least the edgy teens have about 10 others assassins that have this.

>>378824147
Implying it will be something other than Overwatch heroes from here out

Also if you're playing this game, you are 100% underage.

ASSFAGGOTs threads truly are a ban honeypot.

>>378832367
>Oh good another assassin that heals.
you mean self sustain?

>>378817651
it's actually the only moba i've ever enjoyed

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sexy "Anajinn" Crusader option when? Fuck Johanna.

>>378818037
>no game does this
>it's been blizzards balance philosophy since WC3
>they have never ever been able to get it right
>they fuck it up the hardest in a moba that they never ever tried to balance but put loads of fucking money into trying to make it an e-sport
>game gets laughed at by every other moba community, playing HotS is a mark of shame and the game is dead except for a bunch of blizzadrones who would literally eat shit if it had the blue blizzard logo


also /v/ is heavily astroturfed by blizzard marketing bots as is reddit so don't trust a single fucking poster here whenever blizzard products are about to get released or patched, cause that's when blizzard fires up those bots and illegally astroturfs the shit out of their games leading idiots to buy them based of what they hear here only for them to return to the board with a hatred for anyone posting here because it's crystal fucking clear either the people posting here a fucking retarded or they're being paid by blizzard to lie to your face.
Either way boycott blizzard products if you want to play good games these days.

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>>378833437
Read the follow up posts

>>378830763
>I am not sure what you mean here.
It means people's positions are trickier and less predictable. There's more backdooring and such that you need to be prepared for

>Which allows you to either team fight again or delay a team fight.
Which is an example of tactics

>Well, yeah you should do those things but after you do those things it's just team fights.
But those things still exist. You can't just pick and choose what matters

>If you play correctly and tp back to push the furion back it just delays either another teamfight \ furion rat.
It's a thing that needs to be considered, and TP cooldowns need to be managed in preparation for it.

I don't see what you're getting at

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Still waiting for my WoD Gul'dan skin.

>>378817651
What are you so irate for? It's not like it's taking time out of your otherwise productive life. You should actually thank Blizzard for giving you something to focus your attention on.

>>378818482
>We will never get saurfang.

>>378817651
When's the new hero

>>378818393
>caring about hots
>caring about d3
cancer

Is malthael in PTR yet?

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All this shilling is making me thirsty.

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>>378818393
Literally who

Hero fame level on scale with the ICONIC Valla and Kharazim, and let's not forget: TheAmazonWhosNameICantRemember

>>378834692
>I don't see what you're getting at
MOBAs is just heroes fighting, that's the core game-play. Denying this is just retarded. Everything else is fluff around doing those things.

>>378838847
holy shit sauce
is there anymore from this set

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>>378841568
No, the core gameplay of MOBAs is demolishing the central enemy structure while protecting your own central structure.

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>>378818037
the point of a matchmaking system is to match n people and start a game

the point of a socialist matchmaking system is to have an equal chance of winning und losing

Do not confuse these.

>>378832367
Look at all these arguements

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>>378841568
Would you eat a "cake" made entirely out of frosting?

If you answered "Yes", you might enjoy a certain different internet site more.

>>378821809
You're lying. The matchmaker matches teams with a tank or heals with another team with tank or heals. Everytime.

You were either in a premade or you're lying.

>>378827173
Nice shit post bud

>>378841283
Nice shit post bud

>>378821002
trash, i literally cannot remember the last time i saw xul played in masters easily a season or 2 ago

>>378822776
but lava wave is his worst ult, in fact its only semi decent on braxis holdout

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shill shill shill
slide slide slide

>>378828467
>t.dotacuck
i like watching you nerds rage

sorry, couldn't hear you over the absolute ruckus our prizepool being increased causes
what did you say?

>>378817651
Ive been playing this game on and off for a few years.
Most recently ive played around 40 games and ive only lost about 7 of them and I'm around lv50
Obviously you can't solo carry like in League but if your team is capping objectives and you're all working together you shoudnt lose

>>378842781
Thanks for the bump

>>378818427
>jaja

kill yourself, subhuman.

>>378845294
someone doesn't know about sage
sad

>>378817651
Yea but you can pick the hero you want to play with a que time of 20 seconds

Also
>Forced 50% winrate
>Literally complaining the game is TOO fair for giving an even chance
Lel

>>378845571
Yeah,sad that you don't know how it works
Does it look like it's working,you newfag?

>>378818393
>another literally who
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE fuck off Blizzard, give me Kel'Thuzad or give me death

>>378842481
He's right though, nobody cares about D3

>>378845790
They did give you death though :^)

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>>378817651
>be a 2.0 shitter
>pick ass-in because your da bestest deeps ever
>matches are nothing but 5v5 assholes
the only rime to play games is when school is in kiddo.

>>378841283
>dissing Javazon

hmmmm