Rising Storm 2

>>378816897
It's terrible in open spaces and grabbing flamethrower means you can't bring WP grenade and based C4 of friendly fire kills.

Seriously, I'd prefer the engineers to use SMGs. Burger Shotties are meh tho

Fortunate Son*

>>378816897
I've been taking the flamer. When you get into a good spot, you do very well.

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You thought your Heli was gonna keep you safe, burgefagr?

>>378817394
What's wrong with the American shotguns?

>>378817690
Short range compared to the Viet shotty

Debated buying, but I'm just not able to confirm the game is empirically better than RO2 was gameplay-wise. And I'd rather stick my dick in a bullet ant nest than play RO2 again.

>>378818473
its the same and you just need to git gud,

>>378817664
That's the problem though. Look at the long open spaces at Cu Chi for instance. You got to sit around and wait for your teammates to push up since you can't fight back with your tiny tiny range

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Please delete this thread and start a new one about Squad

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>>378818562
I don't like randomly getting in fights with the terrain whilst trying to aim and shoot.

>>378818392
Different anon, but the Duckbill is incredible

>>378818669
Squad, more like S H I T

>>378818647
It's just a bit more difficult on those maps to use. Actually, flamer on those maps is more akin to the flamer in Rising Storm 1.

>>378818754
At close range, yeah it's literally the best shotty since you can fire in a random direction and still floor the fucker.

Its horrendous at longer ranges though, unlike most the other shotties which is a pleasant surprise

>>378818647
Well to be fair, if you're using SMG or shotgun, you'd still be in the same situation wouldn't you?

>>378818924
Nowhere near as bad, you even get WP nade and C4

>>378818669
but then the thread would get 0 replies

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>>378818392
The Stakeout is actually really good.

>>378817540
>being this much of a newfag

>>378819762
>Its another no buttstock episode

>>378817690
They get two types of buckshot, one that's flatout worse than the other, instead of slugs. Furthermore the sight picture (in both iron sights and hipfire) is totally off - you will NEVER hit where you're aiming no matter what, even when you try to compensate because it just fucks up in the other direction, and the recoil is nonsensical and all over the place, impossible to get your gun aimed in the same spot after a pump. They're a purely luck based weapon for the American side, which in a game like RS2 is a gigantic handicap. Meanwhile, the double barrel shotguns the Vietnamese get are easily capable of one hit kill sniping beyond 100 meters with the slugs, and they actually consistently shoot where you point.

>>378819946
git gud faggot

>>378819946
That, and the viet one can get out two rounds faster than the american one, which is usually what's needed versus sustained fire.

Though, i can't tell myself, which of the buckshot is worse than the other?

>>378819946

What the fuck

Ithaca you need to aim a little higher, the barrel has to be on the target, don't use the ironsights. i would say it's as dangerous as the hunting shotgun just people don't know how to aim with it

the stakeout is good for random fastfiring

>>378820183
the light buckshot is better for close range spread the heavy buckshot has tighter groupings and more damage

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>>378820195
>>378820018
>>378819762

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>tfw taking Friday, Monday and Tuesday off work

>>378819946
>They actually consistently shoot where you point
I was just trying to get the achievement for using that. There were a few times where my rounds were veering significantly off target.

>>378820229
Don't use the stake out, I don't recall having problems like that with the full size trench gun

>>378820229

wrong

sad!

>>378820183
If you manage to actually hit with it, they're roughly equally good (or bad). Supposedly, the No 4 is supposed to be smaller pellets with less damage and more spread, and the 00 is supposed to be bigger pellets with less spread and more damage, but I honestly have not experienced any tangible difference between them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urtiyp-G6jY

>>378820229
It actually lands where the tip of your thumb and the front sight post intersect, if you were to draw a vertical and horizontal line from them respectively.

>>378820421
>>378820375
the trench gun and duckbill shoot consistently on the X-axis of where you aim, but the pellets actually connect like 3 feet under wherever you aim at any range, and because of the awkward exaggerated pump gesture fucking up your sight picture its nearly impossible to correct for in a firefight before you get your shit kicked in.

I looked for it aint me in youtube and only got some shity selena gomez pop song. i dont know why i was expecting prog rock or something

>>378820597
it's called Fortunate Son dumbass

>>378820597
"Fortunate Son" - Creedence Clearwater Revival

>>378820597
It Ain't Me is a meme, the song is called fortunate son

>>378820597
When shitty memes have truly gone too far.

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>>378820597

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>>378818717
Getting in fights with shit you cant see is the real war experience

>>378820597

This is the song youre looking for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow5-f6XCTOg

Can you listen to Dave Rabbit's pirate radio station in the game?

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>>378820807
>TFW you go to aim and the wall doesn't let you aim over it because you're too close to the wall

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>>378820937
Stop trying to stick your gun through a wall, silly.

>>378820229
>what is recoil

>>378820436
i would imagine the larger bullets would be better at penetrating light cover

>there are people who don't play as a black guy and act like RDJ in Tropic Thunder

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>>378820679
>look up Fortunate son by CCR on youtube
>it aint me starts playing

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>when the gooks try ducking under the window to dodge your fire but you just blast m60 rounds right thru the wall

>Play RS2
>Get fucking wrecked every game
Umm 'namfags?

>set up a killzone in the Song Be jungle
>stupid GIs walk by en masse
>gun them all down

I understand now.

>sneak into gook spawn base
>lay down and stay still behind some cover
>get 16 kills before I run out of ammo and get spotted

>>378816897
Cmon guys I'm right here.... SAVE ME GODDAMMIT

>place gun on top of cover
>aim above cover
>gun fires into cover

quality twi just quality

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BREAKIN' ROCKS IN THE HOT SUN
I FOUGHT THE LAW AND THE LAW WON
I FOUGHT THE LAW AND THE LAW WON
I NEEDED MONEY 'CAUSE I HAD NONE
I FOUGHT THE LAW AND THE LAW WON
I FOUGHT THE LAW AND THE LAW WON

>>378822736
You gonna post this every thread? You've posted this more times than it's actually happened to me in game.

>TL spams you with "Move over there" orders
>have no idea where the fuck "over there" is

>>378822965
its on the map and your tactical view, says rally here underneath it

>>378822928
this is the first time i've posted in a rising storm 2 thread. glad i'm not the only one experiencing this though. just speaks to how lousy twi have become

>the glory days of ostfront are over

let me die

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>Debating if I should get RS2
>Decide to play RO2 again
>Install
>Join in
>Hate the way the game handles
>Hate how it feels like I'm made out of lead and loosely puppeteering my soldier
>First full match
>Wrestling with the game at every point
>Arthritis starts up
>Check scoreboard
I'm going to start drinking.

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>mfw playing sapper
YOU DIE, GI!

>>378825692
Sappers don't deserve the PPSh, give it to the pointman and they can have the weird French SMG instead

Let's make a playlist for this game

I love the smell of napalm in the morning
Smells like...
Victory...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXSHnam0ezs

>>378826064
>8 PPSHs running around the map
no thank you

>>378826315
>>378826064
>>378825692
Do people like the Grease gun?

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>>378826064
Honestly, I feel like if they did that, it would get rid of people going sapper just for the PPSH. I go sapper because I've got satellite internet and 600 ping, sometimes I have to try three times to lay a mine until it registers, shooting is even worse.

>>378816897
>start Rising Storm 2
>It Ain't Me doesn't start playing
it's shit

>>378818669
All that blatant and obnoxious shilling and shitposting make me not even want to consider buying the game.

>play combat engineer
>get dinked any time I get close to enemies
WOW THIS IS SHIT
>use shotty instead
>chuck the C4 charge over a wall and hit the clacker
>7 kills
WOW THIS IS AWESOME

>>378826064

The weird french smg sucks

But the vietnam modification of the same smg is powerful as fuck, it uses bigger caliber and fires faster

>>378826783
USE THE GREASE GUN

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>>378816897
>playing "It ain't me"
>Not blasting Long tall Sally, while you mow down VC with your pig.

>>378826064
>using anything but the hunting shotgun on pointman (or ithaca for USA)

lol

>>378826802
I think the gook one fires the same rounds as the PPsh, but it does have a much higher rate of fire than the French variant.

>>378826413
The grease guns fantastic
>>378826783
>>378826857
>not using the flamethrower
pick pointman then

>>378823181
It happened in Osfront a few times too. Doesn't excuse it still happening.

What are some Vietnamese meme to post while waiting?

>>378826802
>>378826957
Its more accurate and more powerful. Only thing is that it burns through ammo faster and the range is shorter apparently (from the stats screen)

>>378826965
But I want the WP grenade and C4. Flamethrower is really situational as well unlike SMG/Shotty

>>378827184

PPsh has 1 of range too and i can use it for longer engagements just fine

>>378827170
GI GO HOME

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>>378827278
Then why the fuck would anyone use the Frog SMG?

>>378827221
It's only situational if you think every role is supposed to play the same.

Flamethrowers are for pushing the capture point with others to back you up. If you disrespect that and try to meme in the jungle or run in alone you will die.

>>378826965
Flamethrower is nice, but C4 is nicer. It has like 5x the explosive range of a nade

>>378817686
Yo daought yur hyli waz gon be zafe muricans

>>378822928
This is an issue is RS2, RS1, and RO2. It's most obnoxious in RS2.

>>378818669
this is kek thank you for going the extra mile and making fun of the shills.

>>378816897
>supporting tripwire games

Naw.

>have leaf friend bait VC into a building by just popping off shots off the roof
>sit w/ flamethrower around the corner of stairs as it goes up
>*incoherent Vietnamese screeching*

that place was a fucking VC graveyard jesus christ

>>378826413
Its stats are good enough and I like the sounds it has, but dem fucking iron sights are just horrible
and the CQC combat mode with the stock folded is even more horrible

>>378827598
funny, since RS2 is the first of the series where the bullet is fired from your gun barrel and not your eyes. so the issue didn't exist in RO and RO2 you fuckboi

Out.

>>378828146
Try going prone just before the crest of a hill in RO2, buddy. I've never played RO so I have no idea if the problem was in there.

Come on guys, I'm right here... SAVE ME GOD DAMN IT!!!

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>>378816897
>GF is part vietnamese
>"babe what ya playing"
Nice try zipper head

>>378827170
Your government does not care for you GI
They have abandoned you

Straight from BFV.

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>>378829135
yeah this game affects people in the real world
>be playing for hours
>american team
>yelling about killing the gooks and dropping napalm
>go to VC
>yelling shit about stabbing americans in a vietnamese accent
>"oooohhhhh silly american don't know my foxhole here"
>goes on for hours
>forgot I had windows open the entire time
>neighbors outside the whole time
>pool party
I like to pretend they didn't hear all of that but I know for a fact they did

>>378829701
Oh forgot the best part
Neighbors are asian

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YOU WILL PURCHASE ITTT

>>378828404
that's because your helmet is... ABOVE YOUR EYES

HOLY FUCK

>>378829821
Don't worry I bought it
Fun as hell to be a terrorist, everyone RPs as sand niggers

Runs like absolute dogshit, drops into the 30s at 4k, meanwhile rising storm is a constant 60 at only 50% gpu usage

>>378829670
>>378827170
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3VeKnW9cNo

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>>378816897
>"Hey guys I'm calling in a spooky"

>>378826315
RO2 sure manages with that many, and they don't have any other automatic weapons to choose from

>>378830080
>scariest sounding thing in all games ever from all over the map
>almost never gets a single kill

>>378830289
>Friendly support only ever manages to kill friendlies

>>378830215
Red Orchestra had much more open maps, I also remember the recoil being a bit higher.

>>378830080
The sound for that thing is bugged

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>>378816897
I bought this today. Pretty fun but I sick. How do I git gud?

Also
>everyone on /v/ complaining about voice acting
>tfw it's actually the best part of the game

>pick M60
>move up to Bravo on Cu Chi
>sit in the little house on the left to cover that flank
>time to frag some Charlies
>here they come
>BRAAAAAAAAAAAP
>all my bullets are going into the windowsill
>Charlie spots and PLINKS me

>>378830638
>Suck shit at rainbow six siege
>Suck shit at Squad
>Suck shit at BF1
>Stupidly good in this game and ARMA 3
I don't know how the skill ceiling works, I don't know why I'm good. Maybe has to do with everyone being bad since this is close to launch

>>378830638
Don't be reckless and don't sprint for a long time in the open, go cover to cover

>>378830638
vietnamese here

the viet VA is dog shit. They are not even northern accent

>>378830858
I'm Viet Kieu, do you cunts in Vietnam really talk as slow as the VAs do?

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>>378830956
>losing objective Acorn

>>378830858
WE ARE ATTAKING FOXTROHHHHHH

I tried the last open beta. RO2 felt like it played a whole lot better. This one feels a bit more clunky and awkward with the shooting. Am I just fucking something up?

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>>378831067
>>378831109
I don't talk like that

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R I C E
H A T S

>>378831150
no that's about right

>>378830956
faster

those VA are mostly from 2nd generation Viet actors in NA. God forbid they might even be leafs

>>378831150
It's because ADS is locked to center screen, there's an option to re-enable unlocked RO2 style behaviour

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>>378831313
My Viet is better than theirs, I have shittier vocabulary though

>>378830823

>pick m60
>go to left side of C and prone behind the sandbags
>mow down charlies running to the point
>yelling GET SOME the whole time

>>378831341

Free aim is worse than in ro2, in ro2 it was smooth as fuck, you could snipe from really far, but in rs2 free aim is janky, you can't really shot long range with it

>>378830638
>learn then anticipate common routes of enemy movement
>find a good spot to shoot overlooking the routes with alternative places to swap to or retreat under cover
>don't get greedy with kills, if you miss, don't keep on firing as it will reveal your position

t. camping faggot

I like to camp an objective in supremacy and shoot down enemies going into a place, wait for other team members charging in before going in myself.

>>378827795
12 bucks on g2a.
Fuck tripwire.

>>378830080
>always sounds like it's 5 feet above you raining hell
>it's halfway across the map

What's the point of the bayonet? A melee attack with the buttstock is still a 1 hit kill. I know this because CQB in 'nam is very entertaining

>>378830638
>tfw it's actually the best part of the game
You probably didn't play RO2/RS. Because it's like going from Crysis in terms of graphics to Quake.

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Anyone elses trench gun shoots like 2 feet below the fucking bead? I have to completely conceal my target to hit them. I think it's an FOV/resolution problem or some shit, Tripwire needs to get their fucking shit together.

>>378819946
Sounds like you're having a similar problem, I don't have any trouble with the hunting shotgun, made a kill over 110 meters with it today

>>378820195
This isn't how it's actually supposed to work, the FOV is fucked up and you shouldn't have to cover your whole target to kill it, this is horrible for peaking corners and not realistic in any way

Here's someone elses screenshot with a similar problem, only thing different from me is that it's straight down, no deviation to the left

>>378832187
Is everyone playing at maxed FOV?

Someone redpill me on AK variants.

>>378832187
>>378832307
FOV is locked to certain value when aiming down the sights.

>>378832187
Yeah, I feel coach gun was better in betas. Now everything goes below the sights

>>378832307
Mine's not maxed, just up to 88, not even over half the bar.
>>378832458
Then I dunno what's going on. I doubt tripshit reads their forum or steam community archive and I have no idea where to report it. Gonna try on both anyways.
>>378832521
Coach and hunting shotgun so far are fine for me, it's just the trench gun, haven't tried the duckbill choke yet though.
What's yall's resolution and fov anyways? I'm at 1680x1050 and 88 FOV.

>>378831934
To make your gun look cool

>>378831934
bayonet charge

Just bought the game. I'm so stoked to play this game. How is it lads?

>>378831934
If you charge it for like 3 seconds, and even then it probably needs to be upper body or head, otherwise it just makes you bleed. Bayo is usually much quicker.

>>378833284
shit

>>378833284
good

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buy my game
buy my game
buy my game
buy my game

>>378832428
i like using the folding stock one for cqc but i dont think it really matters much
if you want to be able to use it at any kind of range its pretty much required to put it in semi auto, at which point the 3 variants are effectively identical
the akm does have slightly better sights though so that might make it the best just out of convenience

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>it's a "get on a server with the map you want but it's 2 minutess left of round 2/2, and afterwards all the retards vote for Hue City" episode

>>378834414
Cu Chi best map

im real new to the game im level 6 and never played an RO game before. i think im pretty decent at the game. any tips?

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>play rising storm 2
>take a break for awhile
>listen to it aint me
>listen to vietnam war stories

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74JqZ2JgEPg

>>378834414
fucking hue city, I don`t understand all the shitters wanting it. Its only fun if you`re on the VC side on a good team, or USA hidden in the sewers sniping a shitter VC team

>>378834414
Every fucking time
Had a server almost vote for Hue twice in a row, I started calling them all fucktards and I think it worked

>>378835141
>>378835103
>>378834414

Hue city wouldn't be so bad if fucking charlie wasn't so difficult to capture.

Also I think vietnamese anti air needs to be nerfed (longer cool down) for maps like these where u really need the spooky / napalm.

>>378835202
throw smokes

>>378835321
the USA smokes are so awful.

the smoke just blows away it seems

>>378835202
The VC have so much fucking cover in C and those long spaces are so good for sniping the USA before they can even get near, even with smoke grenades. Really it just depends on competency for the USA

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>>378820807
And sometimes you're the thing someone else can't see

Just gotta learn the maps

>>378831957
The VA in RS is stupid good

>>378833579
You're just mad at Squad, and its players, because the game is too hard for you. You're just used to Call of Duty, Far Cry Primal, Rising Storm 2, and Halo.

So, when the time comes to play a hard game, where you need patience and intelligence, you start crying like a little bitch.

There's a reason why people recommend Squad...

because it's BETTER.

And no matter what your casual gamer opinion might be, the numbers are showing that Squad had MORE players than RS2 when it was in open-beta a few days ago... Yes. A 40$ early access game had more players than a game that was FREE. And I won't even talk about now, since you can freely look up the stats yourself.

Anyways, keep hating good games. This way I'm sure that I won't meet console kids like you in the game.

>>378836268
I`m not gonna buy your game

>>378836319
It's not my game. And you can get Project Reality 2 for free, with a Vietnam mod.

Way way better than Rising Shit 2.

>>378836268
squad is shit

game is fucking dead

>>378836268
>game that is in every way worse than the free game that came before it
>runs at 20fps if you have the steam overlay enabled
>community is just military larpers
>dying playerbase

like um try again sweetie

>>378818717
You get used to playing around it after a couple of dozens of hours. Will probably never get fixed because TWI defense force keeps calling it a feature

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERN9wsodNAA

how long before they add hat microtransactions?

can this game be run on a laptop?

i really want to play this

>>378836906
how old is it ?

>>378838340
2013

intergrated graphics

>>378838405
The game is surprisingly well optimized but this is 2017. It will run like shit on this, if it even runs at all. You can still try and refund tho.

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>playing as a zipperhead
>hiding in the underbrush, taking potshots at American Helicopters passing overhead
>mfw scoring random headshots on their passengers
I can't help but feel like those hitboxes are a bit wonky but I'm not complaining.

>>378838693
>machine gunner
>full auto on helicopter
>get kills

every time

How the FUCK do I get good? Im always trying to get into a good position but I always seem to immediately get my head taken off as soon as I peek anywhere

>>378839098
Look at your map and use your head.

>>378839098
Slow and steady

Go home GI, if you don't leave you will only die here!

>>378838693
Hiding in usa spawn on terrortories after objective for vc was taken in a big bush gettignupto 45 kills, literal rtards stood in front of me not knowing i was there hahahaha

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>round starts, playing VC
>voice chat immediately descends into Engrish shouting

>playing with group of friends
>Vietnamese announcer speaks
>simultaneously hear five other people repeat in their best gookspeak
>"Elf eyes undah attack"
>"Dey ah taking Chah-lee"

>>378839593
>We haf taken foxtroh

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>>378838693
>sitting in a Huey
>some gook is shooting at us with a shotgun from 100 meters

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>>378839593
It's getting old and its only been 3 days

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>>378839628
>We ah teking ayykoh

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>it's a retards vote for firebase on a 64 player server episode

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>>378839921
>it's a "Hue gets over half the votes" episode

>>378839990
I'd rather play Hue 24/7 than fucking compound or firebase once

Tips on how to not be shit?

I can get some kills but I see people averaging like 40-50 kills

How to break into that upper echolon?

>>378840025
C 4
4

What AK and what shotgun should I use? What do you guys prefer? Also are you using the sights on the grease gun or are you folding the stock?

>>378840597
I use the AKM and the Hunting Shotgun. Using the stock or not on the grease gun depends on where I'm fighting, both are good for long and short ranges

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>play as burger
>get in huey
>want to shoot gooks
>can't see any
>afraid of just randomly firing everywhere because then I'd probably kill my own teammates

>>378841325
It is literally impossible to hit anythign with the huey m60s. Just go fucking nuts.

Coming from a guy who played RO2/RS, you can easily tell which ones are the new friends

>>378841304
>I use the AKM and the Hunting Shotgun.
Any particular reason why? I go with the same but only because someone else said theyre the best.

>>378841304
>both are good for long and short ranges
You don't find the sights being too obscuring to use even at long range? I always lose my targets when I ADS somewhere behind all that bulky metal so it takes a long time for me to find them again and start firing. Especially when they're moving.

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>peak up to fire from cover
>10 GIs running right at me, ~20 meters away
>all I've got is a Mosin

>>378827981
>>*incoherent Vietnamese screeching*

incoherent japanese screeching* you mean


It's the same fucking death rattle as Rising Storm 1.

Why can't tripwire make a desktop icon that isn't blurry as shit?

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i am continuing the advocacy of picking the sl class whenever possible and using the binoculars and smoke grenade
also sorry for the ps2 grafics but this game fucks my system up

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>>378840025
positioning
aggressiveness
weapon proficiency
map knowledge

>>378816897
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5drYkLiLI8

What does it have to do with the Vietnam war?

>>378841325
>anyone who runs is a VC
>anyone who stands still is a well disciplined VC
GET SOME

>>378842524
>Who's gonna walk you
>Through the dark side of the morning?
>Who's gonna rock you
>When the sun won't let you sleep?
>Who's waking up to drive you home
>When you're drunk and all alone?
>Who's gonna walk you
>Through the dark side of the morning?

an obvious allegory of Vietnam vets having to live with the ptsd

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>>378841974
>AKM
I like the sights more
>Hunting shotgun
Shotty with the longest range

>Stock vs no stock
The iron sights suck ass, but how do you expect hit shoot far range with no stock? Look at the precision you get in the bottom pic vs the top. You go stockless (top pic) when you're in CQB since you get more peripheral vision and none of that blurring shit

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>>378840019
>compound playing as burger
>Mowing down gooks with belt fed m60
>They can't cap a single point
They should fix that shit

>>378816897
I done got me 157 dead gooks killed

>>378842798
Alright, cool. I guess by long range I meant medium range. I was holding C on An Lao the other day with the grease gun and the enemies running up to us from the north west got lost in my sight all the time. I was thinking it would have been a better idea to press C and spray small bursts instead of trying to pick them off with the proper sights.

>20 buckos
What is actually reasonable for what it is.
How does the longevity look?
Might pick it up for something to do in Summer

>>378818760
>>378819247
>>378826707
Stop giving him (You)s

>>378844521
People still play RO2/RS. As long as new maps will be coming out, this will be alive for quite a while.

Thompson WHEN
M1 Garand WHEN
Tanks WHEN
APCs WHEN
More combined arms maps WHEN

>>378845184
>Tanks WHEN
>APCs WHEN
Never. Holy shit stop being a faggot.

>tfw couldn't play RS2 today

>>378845274
sup reddit

>>378820597
Kek

>>378821719
Never seen anyone doing that

How's the performance compared to RO2/RS

>>378822254
git gud?

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>>378816897
how satisfying are the napalm strikes on the gooks ?
are they well done and crispy ?

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>>378822254
Move slowly when there might be enemies nearby
Remember gooks run with their arms flailing and Americans run with both arms on the gun
When in doubt, grenade

>>378823076
but can you see where the new order is going to point after you accept it?

>Cu chi
Christ what the fuck

>>378845927
GIs will have backpacks

>>378846171
>Doesn't like running through the tunnels
fag

>>378816897
GG WP granades are fantastic and c4 is versatile, the best comp is 50% engineers shotguns 50% flamers,

>>378844521
you can get it for around 12 at keysites

and yes it's worth that much

I like the part where nine out of ten times the MG will fuck up when mounting on a surface. The bipod should be folded up by default if the mechanic is this unreliable.

>>378846363
The pointmen don't actually.

But GI packs sit up and over the shoulders, Gook packs are saggy.

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>>378845779
Anyone?

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>>378825692
>Shoot down a huey with this thing
GI
[ ] Stayed
[X] Gone Home

>>378845779
Marginally more demanding

>>378848063
pretty much the same for me