Is there room for more cartoony first-person shooters?

>>378795008
Yeah, the last one's basically dead so there's another seat open

Not really room for another. If they make it F2P they have to compete with TF2, an already established game, and Paladins, who has had more time in the market. If they make it paid they have to compete with Normalfagwatch and we can see how well that turned out for Battleborn.

>>378795273
True

>>378795008
Battleborn and TF2 are dead.
Overwatch is babys first team shooter press button to win.
And paladins is decent but will never get the level of polish and skill ceiling of TF2.

Someone should just clone TF2 with a modern engine and be done with it.

>>378795887
>TF2 is dead

TF2 is still alive, though.

>>378795887
4th most played game on Steam
>dead

>>378795887
>anon's brain is ded
>notbigsouprice

>>378796016
>>378796087
Yes it has players, but the game development and comp scene (never was supported in any meaningful way) was completely abandoned and killed by Valve.

It has been almost 6 years without any update that changes the game in any meaningful way or that is liked by its audience besides hat traders.

Paladins only has 10k less players and it will soon overtake TF2 even if its a worse game.

>>378796238
?

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>>378796412
>?

>>378796412
TF2 has also hardly had any official content from Valve in a while and most of the recent updates were all just workshop stuff being repackaged.

>>378796910
Ok.

>>378797040
Yes.

>>378796412
>It has been almost 6 years without any update that changes the game in any meaningful way or that is liked by its audience besides hat traders.

>Uber Update
>Pyromania
>Mann vs. Machine
>Love & War
>in any meaningful way or that is liked by its audience besides hat traders.

If you think players didn't like those updates then you are spending too much time on /v/. The community loved these updates. /v/ is full of rampant shitposters that try to say that Doom 2016 was bad and that Breath of the Wild was shit.

>Paladins only has 10k less players and it will soon overtake TF2 even if its a worse game.
>When TF2 is 4th most played game on Steam
>When Paladins is the 12th most played game.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ya, in like five more years, assuming Paladin doesn't die out in the first place.


TF2 isn't dead.

>>378796412
>Paladins only has 10k less players and it will soon overtake TF2 even if its a worse game.
(X) Doubt

>>378796412
>What is love and war.
>What is the gun metal update.
>12th most played vs 4th most played.
Are you on fucking meth mate?

>>378797716
>If you think players didn't like those updates then you are spending too much time on /v/. The community loved these updates. /v/ is full of rampant shitposters that try to say that Doom 2016 was bad and that Breath of the Wild was shit.

I've played the game for almost 6 years now and have 3k hours in the game, i know exactly what im talking about.

After all those updates that you name, people are still playing the same old maps, using the same weapons and disliking every retarded cosmetic and mechanic that was added just to squeeze every drop of money from retards.

>>378797716
>>378797854

>>When Paladins is the 12th most played game.
Check the active players retard.

>>378798021
What are old updates that changed nothing meaningful in the game for the better.

>>378798112
>What are old updates
You said there weren't any updates in the last 6 years anono.
>That changed nothing meaningful.
WHat about all the weapon and balance changes that people have been bitching about? What about the tide turner and Loose Cannon? The new maps? ect? You're acting like all they did was shit out one new map and then forget everything else. What even is meaningful in your eyes if weapon balances, a few new ones, and new maps aren't meaningful?

>>378795008
Rising Storm 2

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>>378795887
>TF2 is dead
>Paladins is decent

>>378798112
>I know exactly what im talking about
>Still wrong
lol

>>378798370
>You said there weren't any updates in the last 6 years anono.
Learn to read.

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>>378798112
>I've played the game for almost 6 years now and have 3k hours in the game, i know exactly what im talking about.
Doesn't mean jack shit when your opinions are shit. Also
>I think this so everyone also must think this!

>After all those updates that you name, people are still playing the same old maps, using the same weapons and disliking every retarded cosmetic and mechanic that was added just to squeeze every drop of money from retards.
>what is tide turner
>what is quicky bomb launcher
>what is the quick fix
>what is the vaccinator
>what is the Overdose
>what is beggar's bazooka
>what is scorch shot
>what is Hitman's Heatmaker
>what are all the new taunts
K. Don't say the community doesn't use these, cause they do, some being very popular.

>Check the active players retard.
>Pic Related

>>378796412
>Paladins only has 10k less players and it will soon overtake TF2 even if its a worse game.
Paladins daily players have been going slowly down overtime, though.

>>378798540
Okay. BUt how is LaW and GM not meaningful updates? You're dodging the main question here.

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>>378798527
Yes, what part didn't you understand? if you like skill based games Paladins is a much better game than Overwatch.

>>378798603
Looks pretty stable to me, and its still being updated heavily.

>>378798684
Minor changes that changed nothing to make the game better, just different.

>>378798849
> its still being updated heavily.
Because Hi-Rez is absolutely useless at balancing.

>>378798849
>if you like skill based games Paladins is a much better game than Overwatch.

Skill is completely irrelevant in these hero shooters.

>>378798557
>Football Manager 2017
I will never understand this.

>>378798849
Even if it is staple, how the fuck is it going to be able to overtake TF2 without a serious shot in the arm? You already know the number difference here.
>If you like skill based games Paladins is a much better game than Overwatch
That's not much of a accomplishment. Especially when Tf2's mechanical skill cap blows both games out of the water, as little as palafags and Overcucks like to admit it.
>Inb4, Paladins takes more skill.

>>378799003
hues and euros

>>378796412
>comp scene (never was supported in any meaningful way) was completely abandoned and killed by Valve
good

>>378795008
yes because two only OW and TF2 are the only ones out there

>>378795887
TF2 may have lost a digit or so, but it's nothing compared to how dead Battleborn is (and on arrival, no less). There's still a significant amount of activity in-game and even content-wise.

>>378795008
You're missing dirty bomb which happens to be the only one of these games which is actually good.

>>378799604
>Have to unlock characters.
>In a game that's dead.
>And the literal meme update.

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>>378795008

>>378798903
Maybe, i was talking about new characters, maps and features.
If you come from a stagnant game like TF2 is a breath of fresh air seeing the devs actually caring.

>>378798979
Yeah i bet you could go against a pro TF2 team and just roll them.

>>378799132
>Even if it is staple, how the fuck is it going to be able to overtake TF2 without a serious shot in the arm? You already know the number difference here.

Simply by not being the same shit it was 10 years ago.

>>378799449
Battleborn was DOA, TF2 died a long death, all its players are just new kids that haven't experienced how tedious it gets after a couple hundred hours.

Significant amount of activity content-wise? Like what? Maps that last 3 days and no one ever plays them again? Retarded events that are just rehashes of previous events?

TF2 at this point should have had a substantial graphics/engine refresh and at least 5 new characters, what we got is maps reskins, events that no one care about and weapon changes that only make people completely abandon loadouts.

There are some third person ones like MNC and Gunslinger Stratos.

>>378799604
Dirty bomb had decent gameplay but the monetization and every gun being just a variation of a rifle killed it.

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>>378795008
>TF2 had a nice focused 70s setting and style to it
>everything after that is a SORANDUM assfaggots like art direction

inb4hats, don't bother with captcha

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>>378799945
I remember the guidelines for item design, how fast those went out of the window when Valve saw the money they were making with retarded CSGO skin for edgelords.

>>378799748
>Maybe, i was talking about new characters, maps and features.
Tf2 doesn't need new characters because it already has 9 of them and a shit ton of unlocks for each.
New maps are added into the game every other update and already has a massive amount of maps.
And features are already filled in by new weapons, we don't need more of them or it would just pollute the game with gimmicky bullshit due to how many unlocks are already there.

>TF2 died a long death, all its players are just new kids that haven't experienced how tedious it gets after a couple hundred hours.
If you just play pubs mindlessly all day, sure.
> Maps that last 3 days and no one ever plays them again?
The only maps that aren't touched anymore are the alternative maps. Everything else is well populated.

Bottom 3 look like fucking MOBAs.

>>378800457

they are all technically mobas

>>378795008
Well 2 of those are dead so bring it

>>378795008
I only see one shooter in your picture and that is TF2, the others are first-person-MOBAs.

>>378800381
>Tf2 doesn't need new characters because it already has 9 of them and a shit ton of unlocks for each.

Yeah, thats why everyone with more than 500 hours in the game has completely abandoned it and has to endure retarded Overwatch gameplay because there isn't anything better.

>The only maps that aren't touched anymore are the alternative maps. Everything else is well populated.
Are you attempting to argue with me by just repeating what i said?

>>378800739
Not sure if you are stupid or trolling.

>>378795008
Overwatch is easy to beat. You just need good graphics, a lot of waifus, and a god tier performance.

The game play of Overwatch isn't bad, but I can't get myself to play more than 3 games in a row. The community is toxic and every hero feels bad in some kind of way.

The only hero I only play is Mercy, because I don't care anymore. With Mercy I'm mostly afk in the whole fight and don't give a fuck. I just heal someone if I see him and that's it. Mercy is the only hero who you can play with gamepad on pc and you don't have to aim.

Why Mercy and not another hero? Because Mercy has so much flexibility with the op flying and has auto heal.

Heroes which can heal themselves:
>Sym
no mobility
>Roadhog
no mobility
>Lucio
skill ceiling too high
>Zarya
just no
>Zen
no mobility
>Reaper soon
playing a dps cuck who has to carry the team
>and Mercy
mobility, can fly, has god tier heal and self heal, dps boos, no aim required, you can rez your whole dead team, you get 100 % carried

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>>378801620
>skill ceiling too high
>any character in overwatch

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>>378801285
>>378799748

"Can somebody PLEASE accept my point of view?"

(You)

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>>378795008
I think you added one too many to that list OP.

>>378801285
>Yeah, thats why everyone with more than 500 hours in the game has completely abandoned it and has to endure retarded Overwatch gameplay because there isn't anything better.
t. never played tf2

>>378800707
Paladins isn't dead.

>>378801285
500 hours and we quit? Anon there are plenty of people who have more hours than a thousand. Because the game's playerbase has stayed consistent and steady so unless we have a unending supply of kids and tards your logic makes no sense.
>Repeating what I just said
Nigga we rarely get maps in the alternative section. Most are focused on the main gamemodes, CTF, CP, KOTH, PL, and Attack/Defend.

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>>378801850
Stop projecting your feelings and learn how discussions work.

>>378801890
>>378802207

No one is playing it but 12 year olds, stop pretending you know anything about the game.

>>378802327
>Nobody plays but 12 year olds.
Not an argument. You can say that about any game and it would hold up just as well.

>>378799748
>5 new characters
t.blizzdrone

>>378802521
I wouldn't because i didn't play "any game" i play TF2 and i know what the audience is like every time i go into a server or join matchmaking, there used to be a ton of people in their 20's, now its only people in their 10's.

>>378802708
And how do you know the age of everyone on the server without everyone all talking into their mics?

>>378802708
if you want a more mature experience you should try pugs/actual comp

also the age thing is invalid cause there are 12 yos playing all sorts of videogames like whats your fucking point

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>no cyberpunk one yet

what about brink

>>378803023
Cyberpunk is a bad style to make a multiplayer game in, unless its cartoony and super simple.

>>378803023
GitS First Assault
Neotokyo

>>378803568
Neotokyo is decent. Or was. First Assault is one of the worst designed shooters, which is incredibly disappointing as a GitS fan.

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How about a steampunk shooter? Havent seen anything like it until now.

And how do we make it work?