What am I in for, /v/?

>"Hoi!"
>"My demons are a bit different!"

>>378778284
Dark Souls of Persona

Remember to agi the fuck out of that minotaur.

Walter will do it for you anyway.

Ban Hoiposters

Dying in the tutorial area a considerable number of times

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>>378778774

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>>378778774

Hoy, what are you saying!?

>>378778728
This. Only way to get past the casual filter

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>>378778284
Misery and disaster if you follow the advice of either of these chucklefucks.

Best MegaTen combat with some of the worst dungeons and mechanics of the series.

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>>378778284
*blocks your path*

>>378778284
Do you remember when you were driving around NYC to get somewhere and your GPS ran out of battery, so you took out the paper map and found out it was a Hong Kong-ass knockoff with no text on it?

welcome to smt4 tokyo

>>378778284
Best world building and atmosphere since Megami Ibunroku Persona. It explains the relationship between most of the games in the series. Gameplay is OK, it doesn't really peak until the DLC. Interesting alignment paths, more like SMT 2 than SMT 1 or 3 in that regard.

Law and Chaos routes are terrible, and neutral is a boring grind. Just skip to Apocalypse, or play another SMT. 4 is alright but probably one of the weakest entries in the series.

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>>378779354
>Ok this quest here says i need to get to PYONGANYANINO to progress
>Fuck, there's no PYONGANGAYININO on the map, only SURUKUJU, JURUKUJU, IKEBUKURU and KASUMIGASEKI
>Fuck it i'll just google how to get there

>Oh it's very easy dude, to get to PYONGANGAYININO you need to go to KOKURIKI first and travel to SHIBUYA.

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BEHOLD

>>378779858
Easily my biggest gripe in 4, I had to CONSTANTLY look up where generic ass Japanese place name was. Glad they completely fixed in Apocalypse.

>>378778284
A very poor game.

guys i know nothing about smt please spoonfeed me:

should i play apocalypse instead? or both?

>>378780514
Both faggot, IV first.

Then start DQ already.

Play 4 first

Apocalypse is a direct sequel 4

>>378778284
Make Mikado Great Again!

>>378780514
Optimally both, they do expect you to know some shit, as they don't really explain why the main character from IV are in the positions they are, or the situation of Tokyo that much.

But there really isn't that much story going on, so you could get away with just SMT4A only

>>378779858
deciphering the map is the true final boss, accessible on all 3 routes

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>>378780514
Play IV because Apocalypse picks up right at IV's endgame

>>378779858
What, you wanted to get to ChingChangChongPongYong?

Well you need to go through ChungChangYangTang, board a 3rd train on 8th terminal heading towards ChongKongHongPong, get off at ChingYangGangDangPang, cross the street to KungPowLongDow and finally you will arrive at ChingChangChongPangYang.
Wait, you wanted ChingChangChongPongYong? This is ChingChangChongPangYang, you mistook the districts.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Fun fact, even Japanese were completely lost since not fucking everyone is from Tokyo.

>>378779084
i went with law. i don't feel bad

>>378780691
What's the canon ending Apoc picks up after IV? Chaos?

>>378780932
Neutral

>>378778284
Great combat and a great soundtrack. Make sure you don't side with demon or angel scum.

The most backwards difficulty curve you'll ever see

>>378780932
Apocalypse starts right after the Neutral Alignment lock from SMT4.

>>378780563
>>378780673
>>378780691
thanks :)

>mfw got to the neutral route on my first play through without a guide

Fucking lawbabies and chaoskiddies are too retarded for the true path

>>378781050
Best battle theme coming through.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGORm3P0F1w

>>378781149
>not deliberately going for White first, then steamrolling to Law/Chaos thanks to NG+ (doing both) and then steamrolling Neutral thanks to having 3 playthrough worth of levels and demons

>>378780932
Apocalypse is an alternate scenario that starts right around the middle of IV's endgame Neutral route.

>>378781149
>pick 1 in every dialog choice and don't do any sidequests

It's probably the easiest alignment

>>378780916
>murdered the only character with a functioning brain in cold blood
>didn't feel bad

So this is the superior morals of lawfags...

>>378781387
she got in my way. she needed to be cleansed.

>>378778284
A terrible first ~3 hours followed by a great SMT game.

I got up to Medusa fight. It's annoying that I can't find any demons that are good against physical and barely any that resist electricity. Also I don't have any spells like void/repel certain type of damage which is what I used in DDS in these situations.

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>>378780916
Law is important, of course edgy commie anarchist usefull idiots will go with edgy chaos or cuckneutral.

Tokyo filth should be purged, along with the church of Mikado.

The Eastern Kingdom Mikado culture should be preserved, Tokyo migrants shot on sight and books banned.

No need to have farmers brainwashed by Tokyo marxist filth, it will only cause problems.

>>378781260
It's barely an alternative, it's pretty obvious that neutral was shafted in development and basically doesn't even have an ending. That's why they pad it out with so many mandatory sidequests, it's absolutely unfinished.

After Playing Persona 5 (first Atlus game)
I want to get into SMT
So do I start with the first one or emulate something else
Is SMT4 on the 3DS good?

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>>378781151
Please anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHPYTkFqH6w

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>>378781621

>>378781259
But anon, you won't get all of the demons and 100% your compendium that way. The best path to unlock everything as fast as possible is Law - Neutral - Chaos. Demons you unlock on the Chaos route require fusion material you unlock on the Law and Neutral routes.

>>378781621
Start with Kyuuyaku, proceed in release order. Or suffer inferior enjoyment of the series.

>>378781818
>doing a 100% compendium when famed and fiend demons are a thing

My autism isn't that big anon

>>378781621
All the PS2 ones are great. I also recommend all the 3DS ones with maybe a minor reservation of IV regular as iit's only okay. SMT4A is great though, DeSu 1 is fantastic, Soul Hackers is a great first look into classic FPS dungeon crawl SMT.

If you actually finish all the PS2 and 3DS ones, the rest are either sketchy fan translations of good but dated games (like MT1, SMT2), or just shit games like Persona 1.

DON'T PUT POINTS INTO STRENGTH
fuck that was infuriating

>>378778284
Bullshit vague quest descriptions like "Kill the demon in Tokyo", a really backwards difficulty curve +as someone already mentioned), and the worst world map you've ever seen. [/Spoiler] Other than that its a pretty good game. [/Spoiler]

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>>378782019
Get ready fir STR Appc fags coming out of the woods now.

>BUT BUT STR is actually better for the last couple of hours of the game! That is of course if you use thus mag altarnative tactic, also who cares if MAG is objectively better during the whole game! Go with STR!

>>378782212
But STR in Apoc is great, you're just a dumb frogposter.

Everyone knows that STR is shit in 4 but very much back to form in Apoc

>>378782212
Apoc has nothing to do with it
Strength has no function in 4

>>378782212
>last few hours
Good luck optimizing for the endgame dungeon and 999 level fiends with a MAG build, friendo. The whole game is easier with a STR/DEX build.

>not doing a full AGI+LUK build

>>378782403
>Endgame
Who gives a fuck autismo.

>>378782378
>no function
You can't get the plasma sword without it. You also need 100 luck if I remember correctly to fight Matador. The best build in IV is 2 STR 2 AGI and 1 LUC until you get to 100 in STR and 130 in AGI, afterwards put all your points into LUC and DEX.

>>378778284
A decent game with a backwards difficulty curve.
When you get to Minotaur, if you have Walter as your support character just soft reset. You're gonna lose.

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>>378782696
Post rare Walters.

>>378782626
thats retarded. just get strength incenses and put points in mag, agi, and luc

>>378782696
Pussy.

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Who here /Switchin2019/ ?

So many good 3DS games to buy soon.

Also Pikmin and Miitopia look comfy.

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>>378781151
>>378781656
>B1
>A3
So close yet so far ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6cSbof7Pik

>>378781621
Try release order if you can stomach it, I wish I did when I started these games a few years back. Play SMT I first but if you don't like it then give SMT II a try because II is really fucking good. Nocturne has great gameplay and top fucking tier atmosphere so you should at least play this one first if you want to try a 3D SMT game.

Opinions on IV seem really divided but personally it's my favourite.

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>>378782624
>buying a game
>not completing it

>>378781303
And you figure out that while playing blind how? One thing in wrong place to wrong direction can throw you off neutral.

>>378783046
hoy

>>378783165
I already completed it boy, the extra shit at the end is meaningless.

>>378783036
>STR incenses
When I was playing I never found a way to grind them out, I never ended up with anywhere near close enough to get enough to get 100 STR.

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>>378783157
for real tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMSmi8ZOSno

>>378783346
camp ichigaya fallen hordes

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>>378783306
If you didn't complete final without having defeated the level 999 fiends and a 100% compendium and all challenge quests completed you didn't actually beat it, boyo

>>378783503
I just used ntr.

>>378783574
oh shit I didn't beat it

>>378782403
>STR/DEX build.
Is that '/' 'and' or 'or', if it's and where do you get the points to waste, as for agi is always important and physical build can get use of luck too for those sweet crit fueled press turns.

>>378778284

How do I get neutral

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>>378783364
yo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KukSVxgsQkg

>>378783091
>Already bought Echoes.
>Ever Oasis, Radiant and DSJ day one.
>DQXI after i beat the PS4 version
>MH Stories used
>Pikmin only if it gets good reviews, used.
>Miitopia never ever.

I'll probably get a Switch in 2018 if FE Warriors or FE get a nice special edition console though.

>>378783091
>to buy

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>>378783574
But i'm not autistic.

>>378783091
Ever Oasis looks like a nice comfy summer game

>>378783720
Be indecisive as fuck. Talk to the guy on the left seat in the Hunter Association and he'll give you an idea of what your alignment is whenever you like.

>>378783729
Damn. She's fucking ugly, even in the sexy spiffy samurai outfit.

>>378783882
Kys

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>>378783947
Agreed.
Isabeau is objectively the best MT waifu.

>>378783659
Agi gets diminishing returns after 130, I think that's the level where you're faster than all of your party demons. Luck also seems to peak at 100. Your endgame skill, Demoneehos special skill (I think it was called Desperate Hit or Grand Tack) scales equally with STR and DEX, so the actual Balance between those two is meaningless.

>>378784019
Even when you're wrong and the objetively best girl in MT is Maya from P2, post more isabeu please

>>378783720
always pick the first option in dialogue but side with jonathan to kill whatsherface when you have to make the decision, dont do any quest that's not mandatory

>>378782403
No one is doing the fucking level 999 fiends. They'll go through the first time instead of just repeatedly grinding it at the end of a 100 hour RPG.

The fiends also have elemental weaknesses. Every single one of them. Free press turns, free smirks, without needing to buy grinding DLC to get 500+ str AND luck.

>>378784078
Cool. Still at early game of Apocalypse, because I megidolaoned my way through NG++ of IV, I decided to go for the world of STR. Have been putting most of my points to STR, with few in agi and some in luck.

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>merkabah starts calling you a heathen and saying you'll destroy the world
>smile devilishly

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>>378784250
>They don't want to be the strongest in the game
Dadga was right, humanity is weak.

>>378784250
The strongest boss in Twisted Tokyo En-no-Ozuno is weak to Physical actually. You won't beat him in the turn limit with magic, especially in the higher levels of Twisted Tokyo as his level goes up. Smirked charged Akasha Arts will do more damage on all the other fiends too

>>378781621
SMT1->SMT2->KMT (MT1 and MT2 remakes, MT are games that came before SMT) if you can stomach SNES

SMT3 Noctune if you can stomach/have/can emulate PS2

SMT4->Apocalypse if you want most recent ones and have 3DS

>>378781818
Nigger you need to do White if you want an actually 100% save for import in Apocalypse.

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>>378784019
She's a qt, but you're wrong.

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>>378785557
I just assumed you would do that sometime along that chart, in between two playthroughs or after all three, although leaving it until the end isn't very fun.

>>378779242
*uses bufu*

>>378784118
More importantly, someone post lewd Isabeau.

>>378783091
I'll only buy Switch when it gets hacked.
Just like PSP, DS, 3DS and Vita before it.

>>378781387
>in cold blood
That's lucifer retard. The way I remember it, Lucifer shat all over her for getting in their way. Merkabah sticks with his ideology to kill her but is saddened by it.

>>378781387
She killed herself though.

>>378785848
That's why I said White first, then Law/Chaos whichever you prefer first and Neutral for last.

>>378779242
By far one of the coolest bosses Ive ever fought. That design is fucking amazing

>>378786470
Too bad it got axed along with all the guest designs due to negative reception over the actually shit ones like Lucifer.
The only reason they didn't get rid of some of the designs like Lucifer and Merkabah in Apocalypse was because of plot reasons, and even still they had Doi redraw them in an attempt to at least make them bearable.

hoyboy is the best boy. johnathan a shit

>>378786932
This is why he started taking estrogen. He wanted to be appreciated.

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I want and megaten game to play on mobile on an emulator.

Just finished Strange Journey. It was perfect for playing on mobile because it had relatively little weeb shit and didn't make me feel embarrassed that someone would look over my shoulder.

What other megaten games that I could emulate that have relatively little cutesty animu shit? I'm ok with that stuff, just not in the metro.

>>378787441
Persona 3 on PPSSPP

At which point do I stopped levelling dex? Im at 140 dex, 65 str, 30 mag, 50 agi, 10 luck

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>>378783947
I know youre not shitting on the best waifu

What's that about neutral route being a grind? From what I'm seeing in a faq you only need to do the required challenge quests for the story, so there's nothing to grind?

>>378778284
Bullshit and the X button not working for attacking but everything else am I the only one with this problem?

>>378784671
Why he looks like 2000 yaoi manga character?

>>378787441
Persona 1 and 2 for PSP
SMT 1 & 2 for SNES

>>378781387
Who, Isabeau? She's the smart one, but she also has the neutralfag flaws of being indecisive and useless and depending on others (you) to make hard decisions.

>>378781543
Raise Gremlin. I solo'd her with Raijin after she ko'd Flynn. She couldn't do anything to it.

>>378786820
Did it really? Thats fucking sad dude. The first time i saw this dude I nearly shat bricks. Even when he was kicking the shit out of me, I still thought he was badass

>>378787585
Never

>>378787585
191

>>378788842
Yep. See SMT HD Project trailer and you will see classic Kaneko demons even for those that had new guest designs in SMT4, ditto for Persona 5.
And in Apocalypse the only guest designs that survived are Medusa, Lucifer (first form), Merkabah (first form), Napaea, Tenkai and Centaur and all of these got completely redrawn by Doi to salvage them, though I'd say Tenkai didn't really need redrawing since his guest design was fine.

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>>378789258
*blocks your path*

>>378789473
Did you even read a thing I said? I already said that Lucifer's first form was in Apocalypse, but redrawn by Doi.

>>378787585
>50 agi
>10 luk
How do you even hit stuff

>>378789569
>Did you even read a thing I said?
Yes.

>>378789473
I don't get the arm

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>>378789814
*BLOCKS YOUR PATH*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAzBPqIRhKk

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>>378779242
That entire fight is god-tier, probably the best casual filter I've witnessed (but part of that is from the shit weapons and items you have at that point)

Shame the rest of the game goes easy modo.

>>378790105
Or maybe the fact that it's mostly luck based and depends on who's with you and if the boss decides to fuck you over with crits that never miss or not.

>>378790313
>Muh luck based fight meme
Casual filter working as intended.

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>>378783729
here i touched it up for you

>>378790105
>Shame the rest of the game goes easy modo.
Medusa is casual filter 2.0
And DLC bosses are casual filter 3.0

>>378790415
Legitimately a fag. He dies in 2-3 turns spamming bufu praying for smirks and praying he doesn't Labrys Strike -> Crit -> Smirk -> Labrys Strike Crit -> Labrys Strike. Or that Walter doesn't Agi -> Smirk -> Labrys Strike Crit -> Labrys Strike.

SMT4's gameplay is complete shit.

>>378790519
Beelzebub too.

>>378790725
How could I have forgotten our beloved Bub.

>>378779242
I'LL END IT THUS

>>378790519
For some reason I didn't have any problem with Medusa

>>378790725
Dude just fuse vishnu lmao

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>>378790440
Kawakami is Neutral desu.

>>378788037
It's not a grind. Just stuff repeated by fags who don't like side quest. Cool kids would've done all the side quest either way

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Man fuck these guys in Apoc. I'm pretty sure the original IV didn't start giving you light and dark checks until the mid 20's and their already making the Fairy place an SP draining nightmare.

>>378791424
True. You also get quests in Law and Chaos. Neutral is the only one where it's required to complete them.

Childhood is liking meme man Walter
Adulthood is realising Isabeau is best girl
Enlightenment is realising Jonathan is the most based man alive.
I mean, how can you hate him? Nice guy despite status, cool moments and best decision pre white

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>>378792243
What did you mean by this?

>>378792926
I meant after you're locked in a route.

>>378783364
>>378783157
>not C3
https://youtu.be/EcZHm4VllDs

>tfw I'll never live in the world of IV
I've never seen a better rendition of Tokyo.
I just wanna sell Reds to demons and laze around in Hunter bars.

>>378793438
I prefer SMT1's, I mean walking robot drones, a chaos aligned funfair, good court systems, 24/7 lawfag propaganda on air, psychics, it's all good

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>>378778921
I want more Trauma in my life...

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LEAVE

Guys,guys,guys help me,I'm at the fourth kalpa in nocturne,can someone gibe me tips on how to fight my nigga beelzebub
I'm lvl 65 btw,should I grind a bit?

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>>378793912
Do you have Daisoujou in your party?

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*wastrel beams your path*

So how do I build MC? I know you can fuck up your game if you build wrong

>>378793904
So, what's up with that retro-futuristic looking comp?

>>378794247
In IV you go +3 Dex +1AGI/LUK

>>378778284
Lawfags being cancereous fucktard that slurp yellow cunts asscrack

>>378794247
In 4? Either magic or dex.

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>>378784019

>tfw picking Isabeau as your goddess at the end of Anarchy

>>378794528
>I can become the real Shin Megami Tensei (tm)! Just like those characters in manga!

A shitty overworld. I enjoyed the combat but that map made me drop it at the half way point.

>>378788037
Going around Tokyo killing things that are way under your level can be tedious. And stuff like rng based "kill x amount of demon y" -missions and one "get relic that only spawns in one spot, but isn't guranteed". It was the last quests left for me, so I had to just leave 3DS idling on a safe space, for hours for the relic spot to respawn.

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>>378778774
Hoi banposters

>>378794290
Doi discovered Jetsons just recently.

>>378794012
Of course,I have 3 fiends on my party.Him,White and Red Riders
My boy Trumpeter is the next

>>378794650
Why didn't you do them while going through the game? I never had any problem with rng like this.

>>378780932

Neutral ending is always canon for mainline progression.

Wait, wait, you can fly in smt iv? Does it carry over to ng+ and is it actually useful?

>>378794703
What's next on his 'plan to watch' list?
Dexter's lab? Or soviet war movies?

>>378794885
No.
If you side questing yeah, otherwise no.

>>378794769
First that one you can only do after you get flying, which you get only from endgame quest anyways, and I avoided all optional quests before end game, because I wanted to get the neutral and I had fucked it up once already, so I was not taking any risks.

Dagda is also an Hoy spam machine, if you played the undub.

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>>378794691
Post hoysters

>>378793904
Strange Journey with press turn when

>>378793904
nice lucifer cosplay arm

>>378795171
Hopefully never. I liked SJ battle system and it's variation in #FE.
I'd like to see more of it as well.

>>378795487
#FE2 Deep Dark Strange Journey featuring Mastema as a Idol WHEN?

I started SMT IV after buying it at release but got to Toyko and got lost and stopped playing then tried getting back into it and was still lost so I never finished.

I'm thinking about restarting. Is it any good past Tokyo? I remember the opening being good, the first boss was fun as I remember.

>>378795000
Takashi Miike's entire filmography

>>378795695

Every thing pre Tokyo was always something to be endured.

>>378795487
>>378795686
Is #FE DDS and SJ gameplay mixed together, because that sounds pretty good.

>>378795695
It's good but drops in difficulty

>>378795869
>dds
As in mantra grid? Yeah, somewhat, though it's a bit more streamlined since you gradualy open up weapons to craft

>>378795686
This e3. You will have to shake joycons to the rhytmh of the song imitating crowd with chemical flares.

>>378795695
The game never really establishes a solid gameplay loop and the entire time you're in Tokyo feels like you're meandering around aimlessly until Camp Ichigaya, and then you're almost at the end.

>Nanashi changes the way he pronounces "Dagda" when calling him
Neat, edgy but neat.

>>378796172
The "find black samurai quest" is desined to have you wander around Tokyo, during which you will seemingly randomly, but clearly by design, learn about the different factions of Tokyo and learn to navigate most of it's map.

Problem is that random wandering around is not that satisfying, even if it's meant to be so and getting to new places means just wandering around to new directions and trying the metro tunnels and boat services that you didn't have access previously in hopes that's the way to proceed.

It is understandable why Flynn would have hard time navigating in Tokyo, but it doesn't result in good gamplay and better map and directing would have helped a lot.

I'm not even sure what I'm trying to say. I think I lost my message somewhere.

>>378796428
>>Nanashi changes the way he pronounces "Dagda" when calling him
Explain

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hoy~

>>378797120
He changes the pitch of his voice if you choose the Massacre path and kill your friends. It's distinctly deeper from how he previously said Dagda when you paused the game.

>>378797396
I never noticed, fuck

>>378794528
>literally cucking yourself

>>378797336
stop posting anytime Isabeau

>>378787946
I know I wasn't.
We weren't talking about Maya, we were talking about an ugly cougar whore.

how is apocalypse soundtrack compared to 4?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQshvU18RDw

>>378798553
It has some good stuff, and some of the old good stuff.
8/10 has Battle B2.

>>378798553
I mean, there's a lot of reused tracks.

But for the most part I liked 4's soundtrack a little better. Apoc has an excellent OST, though.

>>378798553
Better in every way senpai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc5rboSunV0

>>378798553
All the new stuff is meh imo besides the new battle themes. It uses most of IV's but drops some stuff.

>>378788463
this plus the remake for SNES of MT 1 & 2

>>378798553
Wasn't a big fan after listening to it before playing, but it grew on me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gETso_lMz0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7prWEHN8_HA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZyZIZ1MfuM
Overall weaker than 4, but still cool.

>>378798815
>tokyo
i remember someone asking me what i thought of the tokyo remix compared to the original one in 4.

i did not like it.

How the actual fuck is anyone supposed to beat this game? Some lady wants a Jirae Talisman, how the fuck am I supposed to know where to get it in this convulsed diarrhea of a map?

>>378798926
Well, good thing remix of 4s is still in the game.

>>378798926
I liked it, but it wasn't as good as the original desu.

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>>378798926
>>378799084

Fuck Neutralfags

>>378799232
well, i mean twisted tokyo is fucking garbage. but tokyo (IV) and tokyo (large map) are pretty good. still think IV's is better though

>>378799028
Ask /trv/.
>>378799232
Eat shit.

>>378799028
Just explore man, it's not that bad.

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>>378799301

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>>378784392
>side with Lucifer
>have to fight Isabeau on my way out of Camp Ichigaya
>she asks me if I think that I will be forgiven for plunging Mikado and Tokyo into war
>tell her that I've done nothing wrong
>she's so shocked that she loses her turns and I get to act again

>>378798815
That sounds nice but the original stood out so much more among its overall bland soundtrack I can't help but like it more.

>>378779074
This is retarded. Minotaur is a casual filter because that's when you're supposed to learn the value of buffs and debuffs so you can survive his attacks and smirks. Just praying you don't get hoyboy as you spam agi isn't how you learn.

>>378778284

> Playing Apocalypse
> Reach the part where Krishna deactivates the Demon Summoning Program
> Visit every single underground shelter to see how they were doing
> Get to Ueno
> Lewd Hunter is stated to have sacrificed herself saving the two guys that shared her room

Made me sadder than Boss' death desu

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6cSbof7Pik

>mfw

>>378800653
It's not Matador. I think you're confused, you thought IV was well made or something.

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>>378800886
Is this when we post the HYPEST FUCKING MEGATEN TUNES?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0IDL5XWQVo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go0JWfE9nEw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imbw-fj8coU

>>378800886
>first real boss is multiple hours into the game

>>378800870
>the kid by the airduct crawled through it to get away from the demons
>he got fucking killed the second he got to the other side

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>>378801016
>First real boss is multiple hours into the game

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>>378801016
>it took him hours to reach the minotaur

>>378800653
I'm pretty sure on my first playthrough I had stacked bufu on everyone by chance and just spammed it 8 times every turn and won even though half my team was dead by the end.
Second time though I forgot to stack it so I ended up needing to actively fuse Sukukaja and pray he misses attacks (and I'm fairly sure he has a lower hit chance than most bosses because suku spells on bosses never felt anywhere near as useful after that).

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>>378801004
Hell yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35l4sWjYzBc

>>378801104

> ''A kid you know lays in a pool of blood''
> A shit ton of people missing from their rooms, even if you dont actually remember their gimmick/role

>>378801205
Unless you're skipping most of the content yes it would take you multiple hours.

>>378800976
I'm not confused, nor do I think IV is well made. I'm saying that you're clearly supposed to try different things instead of just spamming agi in every retry if you're having trouble with a boss, whatever the reason may be. Simply resorting to spamming the same damage attack until you eventually beat the boss after your 10th try just sounds like the kind of bonehead thing a persona player is known for doing. I mean, Minotaur memes aside, there are still a lot of players who think the rest of the game's bosses are hard... when it takes a difficulty nose dive after mino. Even Matador is piss easy, but because of all the persona players who tried nocturne because they heard it was similar to persona.. they got shit on for not adapting and call it the Dark Souls of Persona games. The whole situation just feels like dumb people not adapting and blaming even something as trivial as hoy boy giving one weak smirk as a big deal, when the smirks wouldn't matter if you had debuffed Mino even just once.

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>>378801331
>Unless you're skipping most of the content
But yes, everyone does that. /v/ and /smtg/ always do it. That's why everyone calls Neutral a slog. It's not like it took me hours after finishing the available sidequests boy.

>>378783885
>But i'm not autistic.

really funny seeing that sentence next to a reddit frog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=marMHH6a63g

>The weight of your blasphemy is too great for death. Eternal suffering is the only suitable punishment.
>[SMIRKING INTENSIFIES]

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>>378801004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTMrtrK8Xf4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGCFGbvfNCQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnncLWenZnw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcZHm4VllDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcZHm4VllDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP2x0m-TbXo

>>378789845
What the fuck is Krishna supposed to be in this image? A fedora wearing flutist?

>>378801661
yes

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>>378801610
>Not a single DDS song

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>>378784019
>>378785598
You're both wrong

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>>378801403
It's actually bufu.
The problem is that you only have very few skill slots at the start and most likely the buffs got shafted. I kept a Sukunda and it got me through Minotaur the second try, but there's no way I could have obtained all the precision/defense/atk buffs this early and with a limited number of demons and skill slots. Unless you're really expecting the boss.

How much harder is Stephen than YHVH on Apocalypse Mode? I don't know how much longer I could have lasted against YHVH when I actually beat him.

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>>378801865

She's got a nice rack for 15 y/o. I'd fuck her.

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>>378801810
I didn't want to hog all the songs, but if you insist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjOVPirMKXo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKJo4uC9o_o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJf7jnRQsdE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4PCOAJ80lo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAm6BQvarEg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_MkGumP-qM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0IDL5XWQVo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpsE1xKoaFk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlCHdONvgQk

>>378801865
Bestiality is a forbidden love. Pascal is to remain pure.

>>378790415
It really is dependent on whether you have Walter or not. If you don't have that retard it's piss easy.

>>378801914
>The problem is that you only have very few skill slots at the start and most likely the buffs got shafted

This is why demon fusion has and will always be one of the biggest components to the SMT series. You're supposed to fuse demons whenever you need something. Find one with a good buff/debuff and if you can't survive damage and you're good to go.

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>>378802015
>Doing the Deserted Ship
>Cold Steel Coffin the Second Movement starts playing

>>378801914
>there's no way I could have obtained all the precision/defense/atk buffs this early and with a limited number of demons and skill slots. Unless you're really expecting the boss.

>AI lady tells you there's a boss up again
>Literal door letting you know you can save before going through
>Fight boss
>Fail
>Fuse your current demons or recruit from the limited mobs in the area to get a better skill set
>Beat boss
>Keep the demons you have or fuse those to get back other stuff you need

It's almost like demon fusion is central to the series. You're not supposed to hold on to them for long, unless they're special boss demons, and even then, you fuse those for better ones.

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>>378784019

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>>378802364

>>378802364
>>378802450
I want to rape Isabeau and Yukiko.

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>>378802249
>Hunting in the Field
>Hunting Field the Second Movement starts playing

>>378789258
The artist said that Tenkai was redrawn since it would be odd if it was the only one not redone.

>>378802272
Huh I never understood that, thanks anon

>>378801403
Sukunda and Sukukaja does jack shit in SMT4, same for Rakukaja in the face of smirked crits early game. In other later boss battles, you can actually recruit or fuse demons that resist the attacks the boss uses, but Minotaur is a fucking mess that highlights pure, bad game design.

Like, just do the math on the difference in damage the boss will do off of a single random critical hit. The crit itself will already do more damage (150%), then it gets another turn and smirks. Smirk boosts damage considerably on top of guaranteed crit (300%), giving another turn, which assuming you're lucky, will mean the boss only does 100% damage again.

Off of one single random critical hit, the boss has done over five times the amount of damage a regular hit would have done in the same amount of turns.

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>>378802782
>Enter Vanguard base
>Hideout of the Chickens starts playing

>>378801865
>>378802008
How you're suppose to live w/ that person and keep you bird caged!? Her dad always sinking at the Hunter Association didn't help either.

So I've run out of ways to modify my alignment and siding with Walter put me firmly in Chaos territory.

I just finished speaking with Lillith, is getting Neutral just a matter of common sense at this point?

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>mfw hearing this song again when killing all my "friends" on Apocalypse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMSmi8ZOSno

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>>378803171
>blight
>crit
>smirk
>blight
What the hell were they thinking making the second hardest boss a terminal boss?

>>378803713
>not having tetrakarn

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>>378803484
Nanashi's tied her up before in the rope relic descriptions.

>>378803171
>but Minotaur is a fucking mess that highlights pure, bad game design.

Minotaur is pretty easy for anyone who isn't a complete RPG casual or new to the SMT series. Even casual youtube shitters didn't have as much trouble as you baddies did, but I guess being let's players meant they'd have more experience with RPG 101. Reducing Mino's press turns is a big deal and getting him a -3 is piss easy if you have just two demons running it, even 1 if it's solely used to dubuff a boss. You're just bad. Mino is just the new Matador for baddies to blame their inability to adapt and make use of other play styles and skills in the game, or their outright refusal to do so.

>>378803713
Expecting you to not be shit and use tetrakarn or debuff/buff yourself.

>>378801929
Take YHVH on bonds

Multiply his HP by 3

Now pretend that you have 2 flynns in your party instead of just one

oh yeah, and then imagine that he has an attack which can kill nanashi (ending the battle on apocalypse) and it hits no matter what. also he uses it if he doesn't take enough damage in a turn

that's stephen

>>378801610
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYKvVuWnLV0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZThNAFYv3c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChkMHPP8rv0

>>378803713
>he doesn't have a Tetrakarn/Makakarakarn bot

Step it up, my dude. Those skills get some pretty fucking mileage before bosses can pierce.

>>378803990
You're being retarded trying to defend this. You don't have the defensive options to defend against random chance, and buffs or debuffs aren't doing nearly enough to stop the difference of one critical hit leading to FIVE TIMES THE DAMAGE DONE IN ONE TURN. And that's not even considering he gets what, 2 or 3 turns regularly?

Like I said, later bosses let you actually have defensive options. You could have resistances, you could have better offense, you could have utility spells. At this point in the game, it's literally just random chance that you don't get crit or that Walter isn't chosen and gives him a free smirk.

And it isn't some big planning, grinding hurtle. The loss is a 3 minute inconvenience, followed by winning in 2-3 turns. But that is fucking shit to get any game overs off of complete and fucking random chance where a critical hit results in an unavoidable five times the damage a regular hit does, with a boss using an attack that hits multiple random party members multiple times.

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>>378802008
>tfw no asahi lewds

>>378804570
You forgot the attack he has that halves everyone's HP.

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>>378804751
Nozomi is more deserving of them.

>>378803990
>Even casual youtube shitters didn't have as much trouble as you baddies did

https://youtu.be/T98vMLduWjA?t=1217
What did you mean by this

>>378804856
>that "eat a dick" song

my sides

>>378804737
>You don't have the defensive options to defend against random chance, and buffs or debuffs aren't doing nearly enough to stop the difference of one critical hit leading to FIVE TIMES THE DAMAGE DONE IN ONE TURN.

Rakukaja

And that's not even considering he gets what, 2 or 3 turns regularly?

Sukunda and Sukukaja = 1 miss = 1 less turn for him + 1 smirk for you

Just step up, nigger.

>>378804751
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=59434160

>>378804856
>loses 3 characters to a Mamudo against David

LOVING EVERY LAUGH

>>378804737
>You don't have the defensive options
>Game literally gives you options to defensive buffs at that time of the game
>Thinks his crit is that strong
>+3 Rakukaja actually makes Mino's crit damage half, which is only slightly above his normal attacks, as well as making his normal attacks do below half damage

You're just garbage.

>>378779242
Don't feel bad going with chaos.

>>378804856
that's a dude who had SMT4 as his first game and was used to the brute force method in RPGs, and also a really unlucky set of demons by the time he reached minotaur since he didn't know how to fuse.

and surprise surprise, once he learned how to buff he beat the fight easily. try again

>>378805007
This isn't Nocturne, sukukaja/kunda doesn't do much at all, especially that early. Not to mention, you don't get smirks for dodging, you get them for null/reflect/draining attacks.

I think you're just full of shit and don't know the meaning of bad game design. Just because you could have him miss doesn't mean the possibility of him hitting with a crit and just instantly killing you with no fucking possibility to stop him is acceptable. You'll literally do the battle the exact same way and it will turn out 100% differently, that is fucking stupid.

>>378804751
Good
>>378804830
Half of the demons deserve more than this skank.

>>378804856

You got any more videos of people getting mad over SMT?

>>378805276
Are you actually trying to prove that Minotaur isn't so hard for the series veterans? How shocking. It's like...all the people who died to him...started with 4....

>>378803910
>>378804671
Every boss in IV can be reduced to use whichever -karn, but that one comes early enough that unless you already know that and actively fuse something with it for the purpose of cheesing bosses you wouldn't have it.

>>378805314
>sukukaja/kunda doesn't do much at all

+3 halves his total attack damage and makes every third attack miss. Stop crying. I mean, the fucker has a weakness for free turns and smirks for crying out loud. It can't seriously be that hard for you to max debuff him on your first turn, and that's only if you're really that shit and need it.

>SMT
>hard
Series is overrated by people's experience on the first entry they touched. Most of the entries become easy to abuse mechanics from the get go

>>378805561
i beat smt4 the other week and i can say that this is very true. the only times i found the game hard were when the bosses had no weaknesses, but then its just criticals the battle.

All right, /v/, how shit is your taste?

>best law human rep
http://www.strawpoll.me/13077993

>best neutral human rep
http://www.strawpoll.me/13078026

>best chaos human rep
http://www.strawpoll.me/13078046

>>378805807
>Games get easier the more your learn their mechanics
Woah

>>378779084
>choose neutral
>ai assistant heckles you for it
This robot is obviously in league with the devil.

>>378804830
>wanting lewds of the boring ass humans instead of all the demon waifus

Go back to Persona pleb

What is the real life equivalent of living an SMT nightmare?

Being a child soldier?

>>378805807
It's only overrated as hard because Persona fans try it out after being spoiled with the "You don't really need buffs, just spam damage until boss dies" simplification that was P3 and P4. It's why SMT keeps being referred to as the Dark Souls of the Persona series, because they come in and suddenly feel helpless and having no idea what to do in comparison to their breeze through of Persona games.

>>378805917
The only thing that catches people off guard is that buffs are useful for this series or level 20> skills that's all. Play one recent entry and the rest of this shit becomes cakewalk if you're not a retard.
Most of the difficult memes are stupid once you think about it.
>>378805960
>main line is full of human chicks wanting your dick

>>378805719
It doesn't make every third attack miss. There's no consistency to it. And halving his damage still doesn't prevent the crit smirk crit damage from being fucking ludicrous when you don't have resistances to physical unless you for some reason kept a shitty Lham Dearg.

I'm not saying the fight is hard. I don't need help with it. I've beaten the game every path and difficulty, I'm saying it's bad fucking design because it's a dice roll on whether or not he crits into an instakill that's not helped by your AI randomly using their turn to give him x3 attack and an extra turn for no reason.

Like holy shit. Do you call the people who get miss/critted to death at the very start of Nocturne bad too and say that game's without flaws?

>>378806415
>Nocturne
>Flaws
I'm all ears.

>>378806313
I thought that was just reviewers meming. Persona buffs are useful anyway, not like shitters don't complain about Persona bosses too. most people just get accustomed to the demon filled party really compared to Persona's set.

>>378806560
There's honestly a shitload, but the one I was talking about there is that you could die before you so much as recruit a single demon if you get unlucky with one miss or one enemy crit.

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>>378806560
No one defends this.

>>378806347
>Play one recent entry and the rest of this shit becomes cakewalk if you're not a retard.

This. Ose IVA has no weakness, appears a little bit later than mino's time, but has just about the same moveset. The guy is literally Mino 2.0 with no weakness, yet there are no complaints for him, and do you know why? It's because everyone who played IV had already adapted to the game's mechanics and knew how to deal with another mino by then. It's just baddies like >>378806415 who will say that literally halving a bosses's attack damage, as well as making it so every third attack misses (plus giving you smirk and a press turn) somehow doesn't make a difference.

>>378806671
Persona buffs are very usesful, but unlike the SMT series you don't really need them to defeat bosses, unless it's a super boss (Marg,eliz, etc.). It's why there's a stereotype for Persona players never using buffs or other mechanics that aren't spam damage until the boss is dead, because the game never puts them in a situation where you actually need to stop and think about changing up your tactics. This is why it's so hard for users like the one I just mentioned to adapt and accept that they do have the moveset to deal with these situations. They feel too helpless because the new level of difficulty is just dropped on them, when this kind of thing is normal for RPG players in general.

>>378806560
Reasons are dogshit, by extension non TDE
Negotiation is poorly done with less rhyme and reason (RNG)
Demon selection pretty low

>>378807045
No one complains because you have resistances and worthwhile demons by that point, and a party member not giving the boss free buffs. Dodges don't give smirks either.

Seriously, how many times have you fought Minotaur? I want to know, because you seem to be judging so much based off of a boss fight that's finished in under 5 minutes. I don't think you ever had bad luck on it, or know what that even looks like.

Someone just HAD to mention Minotaur

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>>378807636
It's not an IV thread without Minotaur, Hoyboys and the map.

>>378807045
>bringing up ose
are you really this dumb

the actual minotaur of IVA is sukuna-hikona. unlike 4 which barely gives you any tools to deal with minotaur because only like 1 demon learns rakukaja at that point, in IVA you have plenty of demons that can learn it. but nice job on being ill-informed.

and once again, evade and defenses bonuses ARE NOT THAT BIG. stop exaggerating.

>>378806313
You really buffs and debuffs on the harder difficulties for Persona.

>>378808025
IVA's Minotaur/Matador is King Frost and Sukuna-Hikona

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>>378778774

>>378779242
*uses agi*

>>378778284
A tough challenging opening followed by a pretty easy game. Still quite enjoyable though.

>>378778284
Why is Law always so shit?

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>>378802015
>kilometers high up in the sky in that tower
>Spider's String

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>>378809142

>>378778284
One of the longest introductory segments in history

>>378808292
BLOCK!

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>>378809142
>>378809462

Aside from SMT II and OC, which games have Law routes that aren't shit?

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>you don't have to grind in SMT and atlus games they said
>this entire abilities grid for every character in DDS that is separate from character level and have to get AP points to unlock shit

Remind me why Persona isn't rated over DDS again? You only get 3 people in battle too.

>>378809708
1.

IV.

Which basically means every single one but SJ.

>>378809635
Smirk

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>>378809858
Name three things wrong with SJ Law route.

>>378809814
Persona doesn't have Gale.

>>378809961
Zelenin's
Greatest
Hits

>>378809973
Or Argilla.

>>378809559
I'm sure P5 has it beat.
>>378809142
Because atlus are hacks.

>>378810034
Or Cielo

>>378809973
>I do not comprehend
>I do not comprehend
>this isn't logical

Why do people like this fag? Unless he gets some total different personality in the 2nd game

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>>378810279

>>378778284
Drop it, it doesn't have 3D battles even though fucking pokemon has it, what's the point of having a 3d model character roaming dunegons but as soon as battle starts it's all 2D garbage? Some half assed shit

>>378810187
Or Heat.

>>378810012

He said wrong, not good.

>>378810572
Or Sera.

>>378810572
>wahhhh sera
>walks infront of a guy about to stab him
>good

Comment sections for this is hilarious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs7SV4K5bEc&t=2536s

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>>378810921
>Vita is the way to go

Save a lot, especially at the beginning. Get a full party ASAP.

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>>378810921
>looks like a fucking flashgame

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>>378810921
>First person rpg`s are cancer.

>>378810921
wtf I hate smt now

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>>378810921
>fucking hell i hate japanese RPG's with a passion.