Valve

>valve
>making games

>>378748705
>>Releases Portal 2
That was six years ago, Anon.
>hires the top 0.001% of the industry to work there and gives them 100% creative freedom.
And people who have left Valve have said how much of a fucking mess the company is.

>Did I miss anything?
All the scummy shit they did, like abusing community translators.

I'm a fan of Valve's games, but you missed the part where they're huge money-grubbing jews who infested three of their games with loot crate bullshit which is essentially gambling for children

>>378748705
>gives them 100% creative freedom

100% creative freedom in an environment where different teams are constantly having to fight with upper management to not have members of their team constantly shuffled around.

People are leaving Valve because they can't get any fucking work done.

>>378748705
you missed one
>unironically tried to sell skyrim mods

>>378749207
The idea isn't such a bad thing. Mod creators need to be paid, the do tremendous work to extend the life of a game, and the company greatly benefits from it. The method might not have been the best, though.

>>378748981
oh no
how does this affect your gaymen experience?

>>378748981
To give valve credit, all of the games they added loot to, with the exception of TF2, has nothing but cosmetics. As for TF2, all of the unlockables are easy as fuck to get, not to mention the base weapons are the best anyways.

>>378748705
lmao enjoy the reddit gold stranger!

>>378749391
I hate you, you're a scumbag and you need to kill yourself
If modders indeed wanted money they could just make a patreon and sell their mods or sell their mods through some other method

>>378748705
>Everybody in the audience says "wow" at the amount of polygons and high fidelity on the screen
I don't care about how much polygons they can fit into a demo, I want them to make games again

>>378749391
If they wanted to be paid they could set up a donation account or make their own game.

>>378748981
oh no, not cosmetic skins that are behind a pay wall, nobody has ever done this before

>>378749596
By turning my games into gambling simulators instead giving rewards for playing the game.

>>378750382
Oh no, a massive influx of bots, scamming, and a complete shift in focus for development to keep an unstable, unregulated economy to keep printing them money. Oh well, it's not so bad i guess.

>>378749391
fuck off gaben

>>378749391
>I have to buy fixes for a broken game

>>378751000
at this rate updates will be sold as DLC because developers need to be paid

>>378751204
You'll have to pay $1 to launch a game because DRM makers need to pay for servers

>>378748705
Stop letting them do whatever they want just because they sell you games.
They're no different from fucking gamestop at this point since all the great things they've done are long behind them.

>>378748705
>that demo
Damn imagine the porn you could do with this.

>>378749391
I sincerely mean this with all of my heart, kill yourself you cum guzzling jew. Not everyone does something because it'll get them paid. A lot of those mod makers do it because they love video games and they take pride in creating something to help make it better. They set up donations and get them because it's a labor of love. If you do everything in your life because you want to get paid for it, you live a cold miserable existence and should off yourself for the good of everyone. Valve used to have that spark of creativity and love, now it's 100% profit and they're a miserable shit hole only defended by pieces of shit like you.

>>378748705
>and gives them 100% creative freedom.
Why do idiots think this is a good thing? There's a reason sports needs need coaches, there's a reason management exists, because if you're not all working towards something you're off in your own world, doing something that may not amount of anything. Of course there needs to be freedom to create and express yourself at your job, but Valve is like a fucking hippie commune "everyone just living for themselves maaan" and like a hippie commune barely anything gets done and nothing gets produced.

>>378752271

> because if you're not all working towards something you're off in your own world,

But they are all working towards something. Everybody on the fringe is either doing TF2 or DOTA updates.

>>378749391
Some people actually donate if they like the mods. I don't think modders did it for money to begin with, as much as some sort of portfolio to show a company they would want to get into.
Given the touchy nature of copyright and stuff like that, asking for money for a mod could easily turn into cease and desist orders from not only the game's original owner but also the third party from which a mod may be based on (e.g. XCOM 2 cosmetic mods with models from Rainbow 6 Siege).
Of course, some companies are tolerant, but some aren't.

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>>378750382
>>378749596

You cannot seriously be implying it's some harmless sideline to the original game. Every new crate is shoved in your face from the moment you open the game, servers are infested with people wanting to trade rather than play the game. Hell, call me autistic if you want, but the very inclusion of some of the more outlandish cosmetics does very much affect my gaymen experience (pic related)

>>378754202
Is that Moon Man riding a broomstick?

>>378754443
No it's the TF2 scout

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>team ico makes one game and nothing else in the space of 10 years
>releases to good reviews
>everyone worships them

>valve doesn't make a game for a couple of years whilst supporting and updating the games it has already released with new content, whilst also launching a range of hardware designed to make couch pc gaming a bit easier for the tech illiterate and also spearheading VR game design
>"i guess valve aren't a video game company anymore huh!"

>>378749191
dude the company basically flat hierarchy. there is no 'upper management' shuffling people around, people work with the teams and on the projects that they want to work on.

it's easy for a fucking loser neet to think "wow i guess they don't get any work done!" but what you don't realise is that when you hire lots of employees with a good work ethic and actual enthusiasm and interest in what they are doing, you can do some pretty amazing things.

it's quite similar to the way pixar and google do things.

>>378748705
Valve cock suckers are the most pathetic group in video games.

>>378752271
Because Valve doesn't need coaches. They are the fucking coaches. These are the top people in the industry we're talking about, not your average worker/pajeet. Now do you fucking get it? What's the point in having top talent, if you're constantly nagging them on the head?

>>378752271
corporate wagecuck detected

>>378755471
>it's quite similar to the way pixar and google do things.
You have no idea what you are talking about, bumbling shit breather.

>>378748705
>Releases Half-Life 2
>Best shooter gameplay on the market

For the record, Half-Life 2 is in my top 3 games of all times, but that is just stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsDM7GKb0xU

>>378748705
>Who are more than likely going to come back when the time is right.
nah, it's all the OG founders retiring because it's past time for them to do so, and the big project they've been working on the past decade has finally gotten to a level of development with a locked-down release date that they're able to.

>>378748705
>B-but all the writers are gone from the company.
Who are more than likely going to come back when the time is right. Their lead musician Kelly Bailey came back, and so will the rest.

Writers, animators, artists, art directors, basically everyone who worked on hl1-orange box and Kelly isn't back. He was contracted to create a fucking csgo music pack. I can't believe there are such delusional people left.

>>378755471
>google do things
Umm, no? Not even once.

>>378755836
>wagecuck

Extreme poorfag detected. Have fun struggling, faggot

>>378748705
I'll believe it when they release a proper single-player game. Until then, fuck off pcbro.

>>378757241
It looks like he is Kelly is indie now, developing some VR game. Pretty good reviews so far for and early access game.

>>378748705
>which literally hires the top 0.001% of the industry to work there, for high salaries, exclusively, and gives them 100% creative freedom

Translation: buys mods and repackages them as full games + lootbox faggotry

>>378749391

>The idea isn't such a bad thing

Neither is me butchering you and your whole family.

master move was to hire Icefrog

>>378748705
>Yeah, you know better than the company which literally hires the top 0.001% of the industry to work there, for high salaries, exclusively, and gives them 100% creative freedom.

Sounds like Rare, and they haven't released a game worth a shit in almost 20 years.

>>378748705
>Best shooter gameplay on the market
not only was it a stepdown from HL1's gameplay, HL2's gunplay was weak as hell in general

Holy fuck, people are getting really violent thoughts about paid mods, and even more so, when somebody thinks that it was a good idea. Can 4chin get any lower?

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>>378748705
I just think it's insane that Valve hasn't made a single game this generation yet, like who the fuck does that?
I've always enjoyed their games, and I'm disappointed they're jumping on the VR band wagon. I don't plan on buying any of that shit, their games are all first person anyway couldn't they just make it an option feature.

>Made DOTA
>Greenlight floods Steam with student project tier games
>Keep trying to reintroduce paid mods
>turn all games into gambling and trading economy schemes

>>378748705
Half life 1 wasn't much better than shit like quake 2 and half life 2 brought nothing interesting except the gimmick physics engine. Only reason anyone evwn remember those games is because of steam and nostalgia.

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>>378748705
>Best shooter gameplay on the market
It wasn't even the best shooter gameplay that year faggot

>>378758491
>turn all games into gambling and trading economy schemes

you mean Blizzard right?

>>378758295
M8, this whole thread is a relatively respectful discussion by 4chan standards

>>378758604
>exact same whataboutism used in the Valve shill thread yesterday
really preheats my oven

>>378748705
>Overwatch copies it
(You)

>>378758434
Has it occurred to you that this gen is mostly shit? It's plagued mostly by flashy graphics and "content" that is really just single player mmo or sandbox, or whatever. The only way to win in this gen is to not play and try to do something great and different.

I think valve knows this and is hopefully working on some great AI. Rather than play the graphics nuclear war.

>>378748705
>gives them 100% creative freedom.

This is not a good thing.
People without structure never complete anything. They break down into popular cliques, and never do real work.

Without accountability, nobody is held to deadlines or forced to create anything of value.
Those with the drive an ambition to attempt to create something by themselves are held back in the name of "company culture", as the old guard realizes their comfortable do-nothing jobs are at risk when a young ambitious person is about to show them up.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-07-08-valves-flat-structure-leads-to-cliques-say-ex-employee

It's like working in a high school setting.
Employees and companies need some level of top-down structure for direction and management of resources.

Havent released an original IP since the first Half Life.

Valve don't make games, they make money.

>>378749391

It has been proven by mods'authors themselves that big or even medium mods aren't economically viable.

Also, it reduces the potentialities because of the infringement of intellectual property rights and the fact that you won't be able to use some services (like voices) wich are provided for free in some places as long as you don't monetize it.

Plus, what if a paid mod isn't working or isn't compatible with others? You discover it too late? Welp, you are fucked.

If modders want to be paid, they either put a patreon or find a fucking job in the industry.

All this to say : remove yourself from existence, nigger.

>>378748705
It's been 6 years since they released a singleplayer game and 4 years since they released any game.

They had an annual release schedule for over a decade, which they relaxed after DOTA2, primarily due to their shifting focus to hardware development (which has a lot more innate bottlenecks on pace-to-release). Three years later they had shipped the Vive (in partnership with HTC), The Lab, and Destinations.

>>378748705
>Overwatch copies it
And this is how you know someone's a valve drone

Valve no longer make video games.
Valve just want you to spend money on skins for DOTA2 and CSGO.

>>378758491
Oh yeah I forgot

>Steam box : failure
>Steam Controller: failure
>VR : failure so far

Steam is just a platform that delivers games to you, there's really no reason to have allegiance to Valve especially when they haven't done anything good in a decade.

>>378748705
>mentioning overwatch
you just couldn't stop yourself, could you?

>>378758229
Game was also extremely linear in an almost insulting manner, physics puzzles were baby tier shit that should be left for tech demos, and final sequence was probably the most disappointing experience in FPS to date.

>>378758975
>>378759510
Blizzdrones, everyone.

>>378755663
>The top people in the industry are unable to create any new games
really makes you think

>>378760383
>anyone who can tell the difference between overwatch and tf2 is a blizzdrone

>>378749391
>The idea isn't such a bad thing.
Money ruins everything.

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>>378748705
Man, I USED to be such a huge fan of Valve. I want to get that same feeling I got when hearing about news from Valve as I did back in 2005-2011. They've got 3 new games coming up soon but I just don't feel anything towards it. The shady moves and shitty business models they've started relying on in recent years has been the major killer of any hype I once had for them. I just hope these new games are something that can grab my interest and make me look forward to future Valve projects again but I'm almost doubtful unless it's the obvious one. Hell, I'd even gladly take a new Left 4 Dead game.

>No one actually cared about TF2. You're over blowing it.

>>378752939
Nobody is fucking doing TF2 updates. They admitted that TF2 team doesn't have enough people since everyone fucked off to other projects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYE5cxQrIp8

>>378748938
All companies are a fucking mess. I'm in the military and I fucking assure you nothing is more of a mess than the military.

>>378748705
umm yeah. their games arent fun and gaben can't make a game for his life.
also overwatch is a better game than tf2 because it tries.

>>378762012
i can imagine someone actually believing this

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>>378752271
Just you fucking wait and see their new games. You'll be eating your words.

>>378761885
I'm sure it'll all change when you see the 3 new games. Everybody here will collectively lose their fucking shit witnessing a new Valve game after 4+ years. Everyone will be really excited.

This is Gabe by the way.

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imagine shilling for a company FOR FREE

I agree with OP, if you hate Valve you're a faggot.