FFXIV Shillblood: Shillvengeance

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>>378730505
I still plan to use WHM on dungeon runs.

... That's about it though.

So out of the 3 casters which one is the least cucked? BLM seems like it'll be forever cucked with its 0 party utilility (outside of being a mana battery lol). Why would anyone even bother to bring a BLM when they could just bring a SA< instead for big dick deeps. SMN seems like it could be decent with its 5% party damage buff and 10% magic damage vulenerability debuff, and RDM also seems like it could be viablew with its 10% physical damage party buff.

What classes will be in the cuckshed at SB launch?

Should I even bother leveling my crafters/gathers this late?

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I've leveled a WHM first in 1.0 and HW. Best aesthetic and flavor of all the healers. But...

Is it time to give it up and just level a SCH or an AST first in Stormblood?

>>378731908
>thinking things specifically in terms of "muh fflogs"

I think BLM is fucked and your reasoning is still wrong to me.

How the fuck do I make gil in this game?

>>378731908
Supposedly devotion only applies to the closest party member. However the duration is infinite.

>>378732405
Definitely. It's genuinely never too late.
Got Culinarian and Fisher to 60 last week and have already made a few dozen mil on non-endgame food. No idea who the fuck is buying.

>>378732496
What I just posted, or alternatively just botany/mining

>>378732390
everything besides SAM. then in two weeks SAM will get it potencies nerfed and nobody will care about it anymore since it won't be doing 2x the next-highest DPS' damage but still won't have any utility.

>>378732390
None this time around surprisingly. Besides maybe WAR. Everyone has a good interchangeable alternative.

Anyone that says WHM or SMN is in the cuckshed literally can't put two and two together.

>>378732528
What server you on? Food is worthless on mine.

>>378732673
Gilgamesh. I usually make either Levequest turnin foods in small batches and try to keep my retainer full at all times with the extremely easy to make shit.

>>378732640
White mage literally gets worse with SB. I'd like to see your reasoning

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I haven't played since A4S. Is MCH good yet?

>>378731908
BLM is just as good as its ever been. Most of its support comes from CC skills and it's the best caster to make use of MP share as you noted. It's also the least affected by the global AoE nerf with only F2 taking a big hit. I image most top end prog groups will run BLMs until people figure out RDM.

SMN got hit a lot harder on the other hand. It's combat res niche can be filled by RDM, who can crank out 2 resurrections in quick succession, and can pocket heal since their healing spell scales with INT instead of MND. Their single target damage will be more bursty but it will still pale in comparison to BLM while it's AoE has been gutted.

I'm not too sure on where RDM will stand. With my cursory look over its skills, it seems like a MCH without wildfire. My guess is people will toy with it for physical comps until the class really get figured out. No innate MP regen is probably going to be its Achilles heel.

>>378732803
it's been one of the best for a while now

>>378732803
MCH will be pretty okay, not sure about the details but hey, no more cast times.

>>378732803
MCH was always good, it just took people a long time to get into it. Once hypercharge got buffed the class became top tier and is currently top DPS by about 200.

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>>378732916
>No GB stand still like a faggot to shoot a fucking gun
IS IT TRUE? I'm ready to smash that fucking resub button.

>>378732998
Yeah BRD and MCH got uncucked

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>>378732998
Cast times for both BRD and MCH have been removed. Gauss barrel is now tied to the Heat mechanic MCHs will have to juggle.

>>378732998
Gauss Barrel is now an oGCD buff that increases damage by 5% and causes each attack to increase your new heat gauge. Keeping your heat gauge between 50% and 100% will cause certain skills to do more damage. There's also new skills to reset or lower your heat.

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>>378733151
Just to clarify about this image, there's actually a translation error in the tooltip, Overheating actually INCREASES the damage you deal by 20%, it was talked about briefly during a Famitsu interview.

>tfw both Overheating and Wildfire last 10s

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What will they name the inevitable fate based Samurai that appears in 4.0 /xiv/?
My money is on Haruto of the thousand folds.

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>>378733327
>mfw the burst potential

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I have a lvl 57 fisher, but will that be reduced to spear fishing which looks the same as normal BTN/MNR stuff? Can I still relax and listen to music while I fish or will I be running from node to node?

>>378733327
Wait so overheating is actually a good thing? Aww, I thought it was gonna be an interesting playstyle to keep the gauge between 50 and 100 and being punished for managing it correctly

>>378734187
*incorrectly. Whoops. Guess that would take to much skill from the player, like maintaining dots

>>378734187
I imagine for sustained DPS it's better to keep the gauge between 50 and 100, but for burst or if there's going to be extended downtime mid fight you can push it. Adds nuance, I like it.

>>378733987
Depends entirely on how valuable speared fish are.

How painful is PvP?

How long do you think it would take to get enough Wolf Marks to get the Garo mounts? Am I too late?

>>378734765
You only get mounts via achievements.

>>378735040
My bad, I mean the wolf marks to get all the armor necessary for a title so I can get the mount.

>>378735221
You only need to get the left hand side so not as many as you think.

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Reddits Priorities

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So, my SMN, WHM, and MNK aren't fucked?

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>>378730505

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>>378733327
>Overheating and wildfire at the same time
>And no cast times

>>378730505
HIGH ON HIGH I STAND

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>>378737706
Feels good

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>>378736824
>>378737706
go back

>>378734765
you can get the 5 left side pieces needed in a day of afk inside shatter

>>378737706
Stop posting this, SAM is in the cuckshed with WAR.

>>378734187
you apparently want to maintain the heat gauge around the middle but when you're ready to burst you overheat.

>>378737805
t. bitter smn

>>378734187
Overheating locks you out of Gauss Barrel for 10 seconds and if you don't have Flamethrower off CD I'm pretty sure it's a DPS loss.

>>378737747
GAZING DOWN, TO SEE

>>378737805
Sounds like the salt of a nerfed MNK.
If it makes you feel better you have my sympathies and thanks for your gear.

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i have never bought a house plot before, just curious what are the usual prices for all three sizes? I've about 46million saved and just wondering if that can get me a large.

So is new MCH gonna be more of a DPS with light support mechanics with TP/MP refreshes, whereas BRD is becoming the heavy support with lower DPS as a result?

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i love whm

>>378737952
Where the fuck is that from, because I am all for that.

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>the new artifact MCH gun
what the fuck is this supposed to even be
don't fucking show /k/

https://youtu.be/1O7h6rMSkJ0

>>378737952
Is this official?

>>378738018
It's just a fanart, unfortunately, but SE needs to do more crossover events for their latest games. Dat mount is everything I want and more

>>378732890
SMN still has the 5% party damage boost and Bahamut will make their burst AoE insane.

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>Heard about the Powerman 5000 debacle
>Though it was just exaggerating
>It actually the start actually sound pretty similar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsV500W4BHU
https://youtu.be/xdV_bzJgRxE?t=13

Was it ever confirmed that SE copied them?

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Am I insane that I want to stick to lore and go MNK for beginning of Stormblood and then SAM for the changeover to Kugane?

Will there be new PvP gear set?
They usually looks baller.

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>>378738074
God fuckin dammit.

>>378737952
NEVER EVER

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>>378737952
Did you spend a lot of time """""""""""""""""saving"""""""""""""""" up all that gil?

>>378738030
Looks like a weird Thompson
We mafia now

>>378738030
>PLD and DRK
>clipping capes everywhere

Well, at least the DRK helm has /visor. Guess I'll keep glamouring High Allagan chestpiece for a while.

>>378738119
Not sure that's lore. More like just PR.

>>378737805
>SAM is in the cuckshed
t.rectal ragnarok MNK

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What is it like when they pull out the tooltips
And realize that your job is fucked?

Your job is useless now in 4.0.
The shed is calling tonight.

>>378738104
The chorus on When Worlds Collide doesn't sound nearly as cool

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>>378738139
yes, i craft, gather, and sell like crazy. it's just i never got to buy a plot since it's all taken up on my server, even the damn apartments.

i'm just curious about prices is all

>>378737896
+20% damage for 10 seconds at the cost of -5% damage for 10 seconds after seems more than worth it to me. From what I see, the only reason to ever hold off on overheating is so you can line up your cooldowns with it. You'll probably be wanting to overheat at least once every minute.

>>378738104
I think Soken himself said it was a coincidence and he didn't rip off anything.

>>378738229
I hope.

>Sole Survivor's 10% damage now also applies to PvE

God damn DRK wins.

>>378738229
i mean its not like hes going to come out and say "yeah actually i did steal from this other artists song"

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>Tri-Disaster
>Inflicts Bio and Miasma

>>378738229
Fiend is the better song anyway.

>>378738192
Thanks this makes me feel better about playing Monk.

>>378738104
It's not even close to copying, It's similar but that literally means nothing when only a few bars are actually similar and even then it's probably due to the theming of the song being made that way..

>>378738249
And it's 15 sec too on a 2min CD.

This single thing just put WAR in the shed so hard they will cry for day.

>>378732528
I just started on fisher.
What food are you making?

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>5 second cooldown
>ticks every 2.5 seconds
>480 potency
>off gcd

an extra free 1500 potency healing per aetherflow.

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>>378730505
Alright guys, just finished studies so I got a lot of free time ahead of me and my friends started playing this game again. How decent is it? Is gameplay fun as opposed to standing there mashing the same series of buttons?

>>378738101
2 deathflares and 2 ark morns every 2 minutes, so they're only just matching BLM Fouls. They lost a dot, 100% uptime on shadow flare and 50 potency on Ruin3. The silver lining is that their DPS doesn't take nearly as long to ramp up now since they only need 2 GCDs to apply their dots and shadow flare is off GCD now.

Their pet hypercharge will give them an edge but I think BLM's raw numbers will put them in a substantial lead for at least the start of the 4.0 raid tier.

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Where my bards at?

>>378738327

depends on your job, some have a strict rotation, others have a priority system

>>378738326
It also stops your Fairy from using any other actions, so it disables Embrace.

>>378738203
You'll be at 0 heat after putting Gauss Barrel back on and getting the heat gauge back to 50 will probably be a huge DPS loss.

>>378738340
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWvbJsB0OBc

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>>378738192
Oh you.

>>378738229
It's real similar, but Industrial Rock does tend to sound pretty samey. He probably heard When Worlds Collide at some point and that part stuck with him, but I doubt it was conscious.

That fight made me real nostalgic for Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2

>>378738168
Well I did WAR for ARR, and DRG for HW, I figure I'd go full on and do MNK & SAM for SB but the nerfs on MNK worry me for the initial portion.

>>378738337
The thing is that AoE phases aren't that frequent and don't last that long. BLM has better sustained AoE for sure, but SMN can pump out more total potency in a 20s window if they have Bahamut up.

>>378738326
server ticks are 3s and the fairy cannot do anything else

>>378738340
>>378738386
So now BRD is a lot more support based while MCH is more DPS based?

>>378738382
Clean/Split/Slug/Heat all increase heat by 10

>>378738371
Based on past experiences I think I prefer the latter. As well as classes with lots of utility or a fast paced playstyle.

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>>378730505

THIS IS MY [LAST RESORT]

I used to play WHM, tell me /v/ how did they ruined it?

>>378738382
Eh, I doubt it. The only thing being over 50 heat does is add +30 potency to Split/Slug/Clean Shot, which will take a while to add up to anything significant. Flamethrower can be used every minute to quickly bring yourself up to 50 heat, and Barrel Stabilizer can be used every 2 minutes to -instantly- bring you to 50.

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Can someone give me a quick rundown about what all the fuss is?
Haven't played in months but I like to know what state of the game is in case I want to resub

>>378738513
I'm also curious about this, those kinds of jobs seem like the most fun for my playstyle

I'm pretty sure that the first raid tier will be possible easy this time since every job has party wide damage buffs

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>>378738525
This isnt anythig new.

>>378738326
Name one encounter where you need to heal a single target every 2.5 sec for 480 potency for longer than few ticks, and it's worth locking down your fairy for that duration.

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>friend who mains monk keeps telling me how nin is going into the supposed cuckshed
>mfw he's been quiet all day

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>ast and sch in a great spot in hw
>whm desperately needing utility and good sklls
>buff ast and sch even more
>rip out half the whm kit and replace with nothing
>add rng on exisitng skills and a literal rng wall new sb skills
>this rng is based on spamming cure and cure2
>no good whm does this

what could he have possibly meant by this?

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>>378738534
>>378738543
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/326384-Any-other-WHMs-debating-quitting-the-game

make sure to complain here, let's take down president yoshi together!
#notmygamedesigner

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>>378738525
Do any of these dumbass promotions give you in-game shit?

>>378738543
two new jobs, both of which are exciting, one of which is looking like its going to be absurdly powerful (SAM), combined with every single job getting at least 4 new abilities, heavy changes to the crossclass system. people are basically arguing about whats good, whats cool and what they'll be playing now that we just found out how everything will go down.

>>378738645
You can turn it off after 2 ticks

>>378738475
Supposedly. Nobody really fucking know how bard will actually play, it is complete rework from ground up.

>>378738451
>The thing is that AoE phases aren't that frequent and don't last that long

Precisely. BLM single target has always been where they beat SMN. Now that SMN doesn't have its edge in burning down adds, BLM is the undisputed caster king unless RDM can also compete. I'm sceptical that SMN's hypercharge will close the gap, especially if they have to use Ifrit to buff physical classes because that's a whole new set of problems. I'm also not too enthusiastic about Demimut because it's very susceptible to awkward phase changes.

I'm still sticking with SMN though. I like the BLM changes but I got what I wanted out of SMN with demimut.

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when even the supreme shill apologist overlord is shiting on whm you know something is very wrong.

>>378738267
apparently buffs ruin now since there's no Tri to Disast anymore

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Soon.

>>378738620
Yeah for fucking CoD,

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>>378738757

>>378738757
He's just following the shitstorm's wake to get his views.

>>378738671
carls jr/hardees gives you a code for 50% off the base game (pretty much useless if you already play it but nice if you want to convince your friends) the one for the honey bun gives you some food items that increase exp gain in game

>>378738654
Christ this really is a fucking general

>>378738674
>link to people bitching about WHM
By quick rundown I mean what is wrong with the class. What did they change that's triggering them.

>>378738823
>princess
hope you're a midlander.

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>>378738823
Already got everything I need.

>>378738905
are you fucking banned in google? stop asking to be spoonfed, retard

>>378738905
meant for
>>378738654

>>378738909
Elezen

>>378738534
- Several of their innate abilities were pilfered for cross-role skills. You'll need to use your cross-role slots to get them back, and you won't be able to take everything you used to have (You can pick 5 out of Cleric Stance, Protect, Esuna, Divine Seal, Shroud of Saints, Swiftcast, and Eye for an Eye)
- Their new gauge mechanic is 100% RNG based with a low proc chance when using Cure I or Cure II, abilities which good WHMs don't use very often.
- Increasing the Lily gauge doesn't buff you, it just reduces the cooldown of your next Assize/Asylum/Tetragrammaton by a pitiful 4/10/20% depending on number of Lillies.
- The new abilities are pitiful. Stoneskin is gone and replaced by "Divine Benison", which is a 15% health shield, but consumes all your lillies upon use.
- Plenary Indulgence is just another AoE skill, whose healing is also reliant on low-chance RNG procs when you use Cure/Cure II on party members.
- Thin Air is the only good new skill they got. Makes all spells cost 0 MP for 12 seconds. 120s cooldown. Will mainly just be used for nuking with Holy in combination with Presence of Mind.

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>>378738649
How can we literally fix WHM?

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>>378738757
50 percentile median in creator savage hardcore raider that didn't even notice that overheating your gauss barrel increases your dps instead of reducing it, and it's his "main" job

there is a reason why this no skill fat fuck is considered to be a joke among raiders

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>>378738864
>increase exp gain
By how much? Is there a level restriction?
Am I going to end up with all my gatherers at 60 and type 2 diabetes?

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>>378738956

>>378738945
no fuck you

>>378738905
They took away some WHM's skills and put them into role skill pool, but didn't really compensate for the loss.
Their new class mechanic is basically not worth it compared to what AST and SCH got (it just makes them overheal more) and is not particularly enjoyable to execute in real gameplay situations (it's tied to single target heals only whereas WHM excels at regenbombing). It also doesn't contribute anything to party damage while AST and SCH both do while still being sufficiently powerful healers.

>>378738905
Their new mechanic is proc based on spamming Cure 1/2 to get lillies which no good WHM is going to be doing. It's garbage and has really minor payouts for the effort

>>378739000
4% instead of the usual 3% for food.

>>378739000
dont know it's probably not much more than what standard food gives you

>>378738976
too late now, needs a rework like warrior had in 2.1, possibily done by the same biased devs that worked on ast and sch

>>378739000
its only 4% son calm down

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>>378738757
>mfw the early leaks made him irrelevant

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>378738753
I don't really feel that SMN's single target has been damaged that badly. They strive to make the values pretty balanced across classes. Remember in addition to party DPS from Devotion/Aetherpact, Garuda also buffs the SMN's damage by 5%.

I also heard that Aethertrail stacks now no longer have a duration, which would let you hold Bahamut in reserve during awkward phases.

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>>378739065
>>378739073

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>BRDs will never sing for they're casters in arms ever again

>>378739034
>>378739042
Awh that sucks. I didn't pla WHM myself but I did prefer them as healers over the others

>>378739143

Don't worry caster bro, MNKs raid CD is literally called Brotherhood and they're looking out for everyone.

>>378739181
>looking out for everyone.
>only physical damage up

Heh.

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>Monk gets ZERO new attacks in Stormblood

>>378739101
I'm not too worried about single target either, but SMN was already behind BLM in that department and the game is only going to get wider. Loosing their edge in AoE only hurts more in that regard. I actually thing SMN is going to be a lot smoother to play in 4.0 thanks to having less timers to keep up and Ruin2 being your go to filler again.

>All WHM GCD spells now give varying amounts of "Bloom". More powerful/expensive spells give more bloom. Attack spells would be included but give less bloom than healing spells.
>At 100 Bloom, they get a Lily, and the bloom gauge is reset. Lillies stack up to 3.
>Additionally, Cure, Cure II, Cure III, Medica and Medica II have a 5% chance to instantly grant a Lily when cast.
>Each Lily reduces the cast times and recast times of the WHM's GCD spells by 5%. Presence of Mind removed.
>New Ability - Consumes all Lillies to reduce the cooldown of your next Asylum, Assize or Tetragrammaton by 25% per Lily.
>Divine Benison - Consumes all Lillies to apply a shield to all allies within a 30y of the WHM (including the WHM) which absorbs damage equal to 6% of each target's health for 1 Lily, 12% for 2 Lillies, and 20% for 3 Lillies.
>Plenary Indulgence - Consumes all Lillies to apply a buff to all allies within 30y of the WHM (including the WHM) which reduces their GCD cast times, recast times, and auto-attack delay by 5% per Lily. Lasts 20s.
>Thin Air stays the way it is.

It's too late now though. WHM's only hope is for a total rebirth in a 4.X patch.

I just noticed that Bio 2 has no more cast
I guess putting dots manually on each mobs may deal more damage than using Bane now...

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>>378739143
>will never have to screech at bards just to give me foes again

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>>378739212
At least your GCD rotation isn't turning into a 3 button mess

>>378731729
DRK, MCH
SAM, MNK, MCH
tentatively SAM or nothing

I'm not impressed with the changes. Samurai looks to have a pretty tight rotation without a whole lot of room for error without losing a lot of damage. Not really my style.

What was the point of making the SEN's different if the AMOUNT of Sen's matter and not the TYPE of Sen's for iajutsu.

Fucking HACK YOSHI.

>>378739241
Considering that both DOT lasts 30s, yeah.

>>378738976

only thing whm can hope for is all the extra heals they shit out allowing them to dps a lot more

>>378739340
Because generating 3 of the same Sen is not the same as generating 3 different ones.

>>378732764
WHM lost everything that made it useful and unique to cross class.

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>>378739212
back to the fucking shed

>>378739340
Pretty much so you can't just do the two step combo to get Sens faster.

>>378739340
To force you to do each combo instead of the same combo 3 times.

>>378738513
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/461ht2/which_other_jobs_that_are_based_on_priority/

>>378739390
Not really because you want cure procs, stone ain't proccing shit

The only real way to play WHM with this mechanic is to get full lililes and just coast on that recast time buff

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>Fire IV Nerfed
>No more raging
>No more foe's
>Brds will never buff Wanders for us
>Our one good defensive utility is shared with the other casters
>No party wide offensive utility when the other casters have at least one
At least our aoe is bonkers.

>>378738513
Sounds like Bard is what you want. With the SB changes they will be fast, mobile, have a lot of support and with a priority-based rotation.

>>378739412
>>378739421
>>378739426
oh.

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>7 days til official Rise lyrics

PLD/DRK/DRG/NIN/SAM/BRD/SCH/AST

Is this the new speedrun meta?

>>378739212
They could have given a chakra-spending AoE at least.

>>378730613
Mite b cool in full party as well. Would free up the other healer to DPS to their hearts content

>>378739550
If fights can allow triple melee, then yes,

>>378739550
PLD->WAR
SAM->RDM

>>378739550

pld/rdm/sam/sam/sam/sam/sam/sam

>>378739550
Why would you need both NIN and SAM? replace it with DRG for BL

>>378739206

It is a flat 5% damage increase unless it is a confirmed tooltip error, it's just the chakras that come from physical damage users.

>>378739179
Meanwhile SCH and AST get fun new tools

>SCH
>an applicable buff for an aetherflow on a 60s cooldown. When the applied person's health drops below 50% they immediately get a 650 potency heal
>Fairy tether with a high heal over time potency
>single target battle litany
>quickened Aetherflow trait which has a chance to reduce aetherflow's cooldown when you use aetherflow actions

>AST
>A placed AoE that can be set off immediately, or let mingle on the field for 10 seconds which buffs it. if set off it blows up for like 150 potency to enemies and 670 potency heals. If it sits for 10 seconds it's a 200 potency attack with a whopping 900 potency heal
>Can toss out cards for a minor arcana instead of burning for royal road. Can draw the Lady (500 potency heal) or Lord (300 potency attack)
>has a skill that draws a card, a held card, a minor arcana and a royal road all at once

Why in tarnation does RDM even have a cure

>>378739706
have you played any other final fantasy games baka

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>>378739706
To do this

Also I assume it scales off int

>>378739627
I have DRG listed, and NIN for Trick Attack

>>378739550
replace sam for rdm

>>378739706
Flavor you Gods-damned heathen.

>>378739528
Is this for real? I've always wanted to know the proper lyrics.

Why are they favoring melee so hard over casters? There's like a thousand things that grant physical vulns/damage up but only a very select few that do the same for magic damage.

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>>378739636
>物理ダメージを 5% 上昇させる
It's phy damage up only.

>>378739758
What things give physical damage up exclusively, besides RDM's Embolden?

>>378739758
Because the standard comp has 5 physical classes and 3 magic ones, and only 1 magic one is supposed to DPS.

As someone who has never bothered with healing classes, what the fuck happened to WHM that makes everyone so suicidal?

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>>378739734
>RDM is more efficient at raising than healers

>>378738030

just remove the cat and lizard tails already, fucking clipping shit

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>>378739212
>Geirskogul no longer removes BotD for DRGs
>But Tornado kick STILL removes stacks for MNKs

My condolences man .It was fun fighting with you on the charts for top deeps.

>>378739734
it does

>>378739706
because ff autists would complain about muh heals otherwise, so they gave them a shitty version of cure

Someone tell me about Foe's. What are the 3% up for?

>>378739763

Was Kojifox so fucking sick from the liveletter that he botched every single tool tip translation? Any noticeable differences from that set except riddle of fire being nowhere as bad as we initially thought?

>>378739839
The problem is that nothing happened. SCH and AST got some amazing new toys and WHM got some RNG procs from spells they barely utilize.

>>378739869
Did a Monk player call Yoshi a faggot ass bitch one day or something?

>>378739212
I just want something I can burn mana with.

>>378739839
The name of the game is group DPS. White Mage offers total shit at that compared to Scholar and Astrologian.

What's more their new skills just seem poorly thought out and don't even work with their playstyle, while also moving a bunch of shit that was there's into the job-role pool.

>>378739839
Read the fucking thread >>378738974

>>378739869
Geirskogul never explicitly removed Blood of the Dragon, just reduced the timer. If using Geirskogul would reduce Blood of the Dragon's timer to 0 seconds, it would fall of naturally as a result.

>>378739869
>Geirskogul now on 35 sec
You can keep up botd forever if you use current geir that often too.

>>378739889
There's DRK's sole survivor damage up missing
And SAM's Kaiten increase weaponskill damage TO 150%, and not BY 150% like how it is currently.

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Everyone thinks the SMN Lux Anima is great but I prefer Almandal Awoken

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>>378733327
>overheat+wildfire, rapid fire, overheated versions of base combo, Rook explosion right at the end

>>378739898
Would WHM's shit almost be worth using if they got Lillies from regen ticks too? Like even if it was only 5/10%

>>378739946
>>378738974
>>378739942
>>378739898
wew

Can't imagine this lasting for long though, I remember that AST also had a lot of complaints at the start of 3.0

>>378735775

A possible scenario perhaps to mark a turning point in the story where the WOL adopts a more aggressive stance to would be conspirators.
Which in a new turn turns the WOL into something that's not villanous but more brutal, causing some people who once sing praises to begin acting concerned and even fearful of the WOL.

>>378740014
No

>>378739750
Yeah. The OST releases Wednesday

Isn't battle litany actually way stronger than the balance card unless it's an aoe fight or the ast gets incredibly lucky with the perfect cards?

>>378740014
If you ever needed that kind of healing throughput...

Still no. AST and SCH as they are at 70 can 100% deal with Midas and Gordias levels of difficulty and we aren't getting another Midas and Gordias.

>>378739887
Increase enemies in aoe damage taken by 3%.

>>378740014
Even with all the RNG removed it would still be shit, that's how bad WHM is currently.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/326393-AST-Spire-Ewer

Astrologian mains everyone.

>>378739959
I don't buy the Sole Survivor damage up thing being true/final. It's straight up broken damage utility that no other tank has, basically free Trick Attack.

How is RDM going to play? You just go back and forth with spell combos to nudge white/black mana up and once you get to 90+ you go into melee to burn it all?

How much time are they expected to be in melee range?

>>378740184
videos on youtube explaining what you want to know anon

>>378740156
It would give DRK the necessary utility they seem to be missing.

>>378740184
you are correct alsot they will stay melee for like 2-3 gcds, just like in the skill video

>>378740184
That's basically it, yes. You only melee when enchanted so 80% caster 20% melee.

>>378730505
what did they do to my white mage?

>>378740152
AST players won't be content until they can summon Exodia with their cards

>>378740156
I am not gonna argue with that, and you could be right.

Still it's something that was missing from original JP's tooltip.

>>378740184
Basic spell spamming is going to be Jolt -> Veraero/thunder. If the passive procs, you replace jolt with Verstone/Fire. You want to get both of your gauges to...+80, I think? with one higher than the other.

Close the gap with corps a corps, use your 1-2-3 melee combo, and finish with Verflare or Verholy. The unbalance in the gauges is important because it gives a 100% proc rate on the Verstone/Fire casting buff.

>>378739593
Why not?.

>>378740152
Expect that to be fixed within the first week.

>>378740014
No, because all of their Lily abilities are nothing except more healing. Even if you completely overhauled the Lily system to actually be good and fun, it still wouldn't account for their lack of dps utility.

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I just started AST, I have some questions

>Can I toss Aspected Benific on and still get a nice heal, even while in Cleric Stance? Like does the scaling on the regen effect get fucked too?
>What do I do when I get the bitch-ass TP regen card
>How do I best utilize the speed up card?

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How did the healfags win? DPSing is fun. It's not fair.

All my friends are telling me to Astro or Scholar. I am thinking to myself no if I go dps df queues get worse with less healers which would lead to them acting faster with more players complaining about DF times, and the way alot of my white mage friends are talking they seem to be going DPS as well. I mean until Sb is live its not set in stone. I will level White Mage to 70 only because of my retainers but I fear for how much worse DF timers become with less healers.

Go DPS make DF queues worse. They will have to act eventually with less Healers. NO? If you switch to a dps there is 1 less healer and 1 more Dps in DF.

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>e3 next week
>stormblood week after

>>378740229
Their utility is Blackest Night.

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The WHM being shit on caused me to cancel my preorder.

I have 2 jobs and I am starting on my Masters in July I don't have time to learn how to play AST/SCH as they are very different to WHM and even less time to learn a new role.

>>378740431
I just read that on of. You ain't foolin me nigga

so has someone already figured out all the new lvl 60 rotations? i'd hate to start stormblood by trying to figure them out for the first 3 days.

>>378740014
The problem isn't just that getting lilies is difficult, but that lilies are FUCKING USELESS. It's 20% cooldown reduction on ONE of a set of very few specific ogcds. ONE ability, once every fifteen Cure/Cure IIs.

You could give all those abilities a 20% cooldown reduction by default and it would still be fucking nothing.

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>>378740337
Maybe the way to fix White Mage is to just buff their DPS potencies so far that they're just another caster that happens to also be able to heal well.

Also make their DPS somehow throw confessions around so Plenary isn't useless.

>>378740453
E3 is the week after next. SB is a week after that.

>>378740429
The cleric stance bit won't matter in a few weeks because all healer DPS will scale off MND. But to answer your question, spell strength is based on when you cast it, so regens are stronger when out of clerics and dots when in.

Burn the Spire, or in SB, recycle it in the Lady/Lord

Give the speed card to a DPS, it's that simple. I think melee DPS are a priority over casters, with BLM actually throwing their rotation off I think

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>>378740453
I'm going to be in Japan and I'll miss both.

>>378739491
stop playing blm

The real injustice to Monks would be if Wildegart makes no appearance in he MSQ when Oboro does.

>>378740429
hots snapshot the second you apply them
ex
1) you regen
2) go cleric
3) hot will tick based on the moment you applied it, keeping heal increase or decrease, so in this case won't count cleric because it's been already applied on target

trash every card besides balance, aim for spear/arrow for royal road since, while aoe is amazing for endgame content, df players you get are so shit it's more likely a mediocre player will capitalize more on it than the rest of the shitter

>>378740429
Cleric fucks all healing but that won't be an issue in 2 weeks.
Use it for royal road or click it off
Use it on a BLM or to extend another card. If neither is an option, use it on yourself. Never use it on DRG since it fucks their rotation or SMN since it only affects about 25% of their DPS.

>>378740585
>with BLM actually throwing their rotation off I think
Only their AoE rotation. BLMs will suck dick for Arrow in single target situations.

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My jobs might be ruined and my ping made the game literally unplayable, but at least we still have cute lalafells.

>>378740536
You'd probably have to more than triple their DPS output to make them stand a chance against Balance. Healers don't contribute much of a group's damage.

>>378740623
Can confirm, would suck dick for Arrow.

>>378740648
>potatoes still exist

Fucking Yoshi-P

>>378740585
Arrow is the best card for BLMs.

>>378740557
No it's not, early access begins in two weeks.

>Cure potency increased to 500
>Cure II potency increased to 750
>Thin Air duration extended to 15s
>Presence of Mind recast reduced to 120s
>Cure/Cure II Lily proc chance increased to 25%

Here are your 4.1 WHM """""fixes""""" after the WHM playerbase is decimated and Yoshi decides to throw them some scraps.

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>>378730505
Can we stop with the
>"HURR DURR DAE LE CUKSHED 4 WHM????"

Every single video and every single statement by the dev team is:
>"This is not final. These are all subject to change"

Anyone who actually thinks the Storm Blood updates are going to be the finished product is a fucking idiot

>>378732640
Stupid PLD poster

>>378736824
>Not liking the new map
Faggot.

>>378740648
Don't worry, they're next.

>>378740152
But that's a legitimate question?
If Ewer and Spire have a build it expand, what's the point of expanded spire/ewer?
Does that mean expand doesn't exist anymore in royal road?

>>378740720
>more useless healing potency
I can actually see that happening.

Okay so I get that yoshi-p wants WHM to just be a pure healer and to not be pressured into DPS, but just taking away DPS utility and forcing us to spam Cures all day doesn't change the fact that parties still want their healers to contribute damage, and both SCH and AST can still do that effectively. He successfully turned WHM into what he and I guess Japanese players wanted, but in doing so made it almost completely worthless compared to its competition. Maybe it's just a thing that Japanese players play the classes they like and don't really think about the numbers game, but this doesn't jive with western style of play at all.

>>378740661
That's what I mean, buff the fuck out of their DPS potency, they should be pulling damage equal to a Black Mage/Summoner if they're free to DPS, and then cause said DPS to shit confessions on you and your party, maybe reduce the cooldown of Plenary to 5s.

Make it a DPS healer, like what I hear disc priests apparently are in WoW. The act of DPSing is what enables you to heal.

>>378740593
>Yoshi nerfing his own job

I don't understand

>>378740740
Unless they are planning on completely redesigning WHM in the next two weeks, or quadrupling their damage spell potencies, I don't see how adjusting them will fix anything.

>>378740740
Games literally launching in two weeks. It's gone golden months ago

>>378740486
ast is exactly the same as whm, but you got me and deserve my (You)

>>378740740
They can't rework all the new skills in 2 weeks. They'll do it in 4.1 at the earliest.

>>378740720
that would fix literally nothing. If WHM ever wants to be relevant they either need to be able to solo heal during progression which would make them mandatory in every raid or they just need some offensive raid support.

White Mage is fucked beyond repair because they can't just be fixed with a numbers tweak the only solution is to give them an entirely new ability.

>>378740740
haha just like heavensward drk guys, it's not a final product!!

*2 patches and a year later drk is finally relevant*

>>378740793
who cares what na data center thinks

healers are for heals, period

>>378740783
I think Ewer and Spire's are extremely short range, plus you're almost never going to be using them as-is anyways. You burn them to make other cards better.

>>378740813
>"I-it's not like they can just punch in some numbers or anything h-haha. W-white mage in le cuckshed r-right guys? hahahaa?"

>>378740848
That's the joke

>>378740040
It's really too late. The WHM changes show the complete disconnect between how the designers want WHM to work and how WHMs actually play. No tweaks or modifications to individual abilities or mechanics are going to bridge that gap.

>>378737952
This image makes me so fucking mad, I want it but it won't happen.

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>Alliance is clearly getting destroyed at the end of the revolutions video
>Garlean chap is striding confidently at the end of the video
>The bad end is actually at the end of the 4.0 story
cool

>>378740848
And that's the problem. WHM will need a 2.1 WAR or 4.0 PLD style revamp to make them not absolutely horrible. And based on how the devs treat WHM in general, the soonest that will happen is in 5.0, two years from now.

What the fuck does my BRD rotation look like now. this is so confusing.

>>378738976
Stone 4 grants lillies
Abilities that cost lillies should only cost 1 and each lilly has a flat 10% cd reduction

>>378740806
he really must be switching main to rdm because the fire iv nerf is absurd. there is no defending it and foul is not so good that it makes up for 30 seconds of weak as piss fires. as it is now im reaching 23k crits at peak, when sb drops ill spend 60-70 and rais grinding to get back to numbers i alreafy had. literally no point now

I'm really fence sitting in regards to all the changes coming. I'm sure they wont be bad but after hearing all the rumblings and the server move I don't have any expectations but already feel mildly disappointed about some of the changes coming.

>>378740950
the MSQ of the leaked videos was called "we must rebuilt" so I say we pretty much get fucked at the start

>>378738757

>ecko ultd

black man from 2005 confirmed

>>378741110
We Must Rebuild is already the name of one of the very first MSQs in the Ul'Dah starting chain

>>378738976
Literally everything they do has a chance to grant lilies.

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>>378739419

WACHA

>>378740979
I think it involves actually cycling between your songs instead of just staying in Wanderer's.

>>378741110
I really hope there's a legit reason why the guy who's felled Primals several times over and super dragons and souped up papal knights and a god king would be having trouble now.

>>378739851
It was like that in FFXI too. It didn't have the "best" raises that made you less weak or stuff. But it was always the speedmage. It could activate the FFXI version of chainspell and raise like 12 people in 12 seconds. It was nutbar.

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FFXIV PANTS.
PANTS BOYS.

So now I have to choose between getting punished for trying to DPS by suffering reduced healing potency or getting yelled at for not DPSing. Might as well take WHM out of the duty finder at this point.

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the fuck

>>378740740
at this point, the only way WHM will be desired if they slap their dps skills with like 2k potencies or they 180 on raid design and you need someone on fulltime heal duty

>>378741505

gotta fix whm and monk

>>378741598
Server maintenance would have nothing to do with that.

Just remembered that I have a DRK relic sitting on umbrite step.
Been there ever since it came out, so guess I don't need to farm zurvan sword after all.

>>378741497
less talking and more cure spamming

>>378741628
>Zurvan Sword

But the Shire DRK sword is excellent already

>>378741368
well, like in the Ul'dah coup

>get surrounded by 5 guards
>surrender

>>378741505
They're rolling out inventory upgrade before the expansion at one of those points

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I miss her, /v/.

>>378741752
what happened to it?

>>378741752
>missing whm
unironically the most boring and flavourless healer out of the 3, glad it got gutted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BxyODRq3n0

>lalas

>>378741804
Stone 4 is its featured skill for stormblood.

>>378741712
I just need something for DRK since I'm changing from one tricking WAR

Captcha:Warrior post

>Spam Cure and Cure II to stack up lilies to get a bonus Tetragrammaton at most every 5 minutes
I'd bet it can be mathematically proven that the lily mechanic is completely useless and actually less efficient than just continuing to play WHM the same way.

they just need to make some hard healing raid fights where having a whm is a must

>>378741895
Fuck off Zepla

>>378741895
>wearing gordian armor with exposed panties
we really need another one and have those echo babies unsub for good

>>378741895
>Even this garbage is better than Larryzaur because they don't use a stupid voice
Amazing

>>378738649
Whm is for OF shitters who don't dps. Ast/sch is for everyone else

>>378742005
anything is better than any awful youtuber of FFXIV

>>378742005
>Not liking Larry
He's legit funny and if you think otherwise, it's probably because you are afraid of his popularity and being able to quit his job doing something he loves while you're stuck working at McDonalds. Get rekt kid

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/326455-Only-one-dungeon-in-odd-numbered-patches

I'M FUCKING DEAD

>>378742136
At least dungeon will be more fun right? Right?

Who am I fucking kidding?

>>378742123
The voice he uses is fairly annoying but he's legit gotten some laughs out of me. His Monk video was pretty great, I legit laughed at the "whoops what's this doing here" part with one ilm punch

>>378742212
>wow I'm not having fun
How come you're still playing?

>>378742136
Lazy shit developers.

Literally heading past Blizzard.

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>>378742136
>people are defending this shit

I find it funny how people talk about cucksheds and whatnot. Meta compositions are not needed for consistent raid clears and farming, like, at all. All that matters is that people know mechanics and their rotations, that's it.

>>378742136
Mogstation cash not going to waste I see

>>378742318
t. monk
You talked shit, then got hit. Now deal with your mess.

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>>378742136
Even numbers will most likely have more. I'll choose to believe this until proven otherwise.

Maybe less dungeons will mean we'll get other more interesting content?

>>378742136
No more expert roulette then?

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>>378742318
>writing logical things in /v/

fucking retard

>>378742068
This. Japanese players don't give a shit about healers contributing DPS, so having a pure healer is just a matter of player preference and doesn't matter to party composition even if it is inferior to its counterparts in every way. Yoshi-P literally does not care that the rest of the world sees WHM as a wasted healer slot and will never do anything to make it a more desirable class to have in groups for that reason.

>>378742257
Savage Raid, Ex Primals.

>>378742136
Christ. The entire point of going down from 3 to 2 dungeons was to give time for additional content. Now they need to go down to 1 to do the same shit? Fuck off.

>>378742136
Dungeons as they are currently are garbage non-content, if they're doing this to divert resources to something that is actually fun then that's great.
Unfortunately they have a track record of taking away and not giving back anything but the occasional stillborn project.

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>>378742314
We're getting a new Diadem and a new PotD, stop complaining

>>378742407
>Maybe less dungeons will mean we'll get other more interesting content?
Where did I hear this before?

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>>378741895
>click video expecting some Lalafell autist running around in underwear and being so randumb xD
>some slut making some unfunny "documentary" shit instead

>>378742318
It's not about what you need to clear, it's about what each class brings to the table.

Why the fuck would you bring WHM for literally ANYTHING in this game now that AST has made it superior in literally, I mean quite factually LITERALLY every way? It's like they're offering us a choice between a luxury yacht and a leaky rowboat and pretending that they're supposed to be equal.

>>378742426
>Japanese players don't give a shit about healers contributing DPS
yeah right
retard

>>378742314

dungeons at best are a cool set piece that drives the story forward. if dungeons were actually interesting enough that i would want to run them 500 times i'd ask for more, but the fact that they all have the trash-boss-trash-boss-trash-boss format is retarded. more & different side content and open world content please and thanks

Why do WHM keep comparing themselves to just AST? Its like WHM keep forgetting SCH exist and have better heals and utility as well.

>>378742660
Yes, but what is being gained from this loss? Fucking nothing.

>>378737706

It's only 50%, translation errors are all over this shit.

>>378742136
So this... Is the power... Of triple the budget...
Whoa...

>>378742660
But even with two dungeons, that's what they've already been doing. The entire reason they went from 3 dungeons per patch to 2 was to give room for extra content. Now they are saying that even 2 is too much for that and they need to go down to 1.

>>378742407
Yeah, I can't wait for more good content like Diadem or Lord of Verminion that removed 5 dungeons from the roulette when they were managing to add PvP, housing, 3 times more EX primals fight than during HW while also releasing 3 dungeons in a single patch during ARR.

>Have entire quest line about correcting a bitch who only wants to healslut and never DPS
>Unironically turn WHM into a healslut with no DPS capacity
It's like pottery

>>378742679
Because AST is the new king. I guess we will permit a SCH sidekick sometimes.

>>378742575
Japanese players respect the content, tanks always stay in tank stance and only do enmity combos, healers don't dps, dps don't need to learn their rotations and they all queue randomly into boss fights with no idea what to do just after unlocking them and always clear because they respect the content.

>>378742679
because sch's place in raid comp was never argued, and probably never will.

>>378742756
Well that's just wrong. Yet another assblasted americlap, probably on the east coast?

>>378742729
Also...power...of mogstation revenue...
Wow..

>>378742575
Explain WHM then

>>378742679
AST and WHM play very similarly to each other, unlike SCH, so it's much easier to compare the two.

>>378742730
If we get more content that isn't just dungeons then that's fine.