Which one is it /v/? Make up your damn minds already.

>>378727763
Video games aren't sport, they're competitive

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>Video games aren't a spo-

>>378727763
Video games are entertainment.

>>378727763
Sport is a form of art. Now what, fag?

>>378727763
ynotbothjpg
video games are whatever you believe them to be for you.

>>378728157
>>378728226
Name a single sport that is an art. Video games don't count because it's neither.

>>378728256
Gymnastics based stuff

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>>378728353
lmao moving around isn't "art"

Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?

>>378728256
there is an art to sport. there is a sport to art. again, who gives a shit? it is what you make it out to be. i think that sporting gaming is fucking retarded but they're filling up stadiums and have millions of viewers online. who are you to say definitively it's one thing and not the other?

>>378728435
You could argue that the photography is the art, not the actual golfing movement. Golf isn't an art.

>>378728256
Association Football.

It's called The Beautiful Game in many parts of the world, the sport is an art.

>>378728256
Ballet

>>378727763
>Why not both?.jpg

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>>378728157
only the bigger idiot would consider video games an art and a sport.

>hey what sport do you do timmy?
>I play video games!
>you artistic in any way timmy?
>well, I DO play video games!

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>>378728509
>you could argue that the painting is the art, not the colors
Tfw to intelligent

>>378727763
>The game is art
>playing the game is a sport
Wasn't so hard, now was it?

>>378728256
sucking dicks

and your the picasso of it

>>378727763
>"Figure skating is an art, speed skating is a sport"
>"IS SKATING AN ART OR A SPORT?! MAKE UP UR MIND"

>>378728664
Except you're a fucking retard
It's actually
>you could argue that the painting is the art, not the subject

>>378728959
you don't have to be so rude and homophobic ALL THE TIME

>>378729213
It wouldn't hurt you so much if he wasn't right.

>>378729210
No. I'm talking about the composition, not the subject.

>>378727763
Video games have aspects of both sorry and art, but are ultimately their own thing. Also, I would argue that some sports can definitely be art (e.g. fencing, martial arts).

>>378729493
nailed it

>video games
>art
Summerfags, use this time to read some literature or go out and experience some real art.
Video games are too bottom barrel to be considered even low brow art, they're entertainment only with some of them having some artistic merits. There's a hierarchy of art, learn about it. Even a high schooler knows that. Makes me think fags on /v/ really are 13 years old.

>>378728256
martial arts

>>378729617
>being this pedantic because you read a couple books and visited three museums
pathetic, I make art for a living and everyone in my professional field considers video games art, so why does some pedantic pseudo intellectual anonymous neckbeard know more than anyone again?
Also
>XXI Century
>Low brow and high brow art
Yikes.

>>378729696
>I make art for a living
my condolences

Video games can be everything but video games

>>378729787
>says this after being pedantic on fucking art of all things
kill yourself, mouthbreather.

>>378729429
Composition and Subject are both components of a good photograph. You can't separate the two, since the type of subject informs the composition.

>>378729696
That's obviously bait retard.

>pathetic, I make art for a living and everyone in my professional field considers video games art
kek

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>>378728449
Are you retarded?
>Dance is a performing art form consisting of purposefully selected sequences of human movement

>>378728256
Divegrass. The team that acts the best wins the game

>>378729696
>I make art for a living and everyone in my professional field considers video games art, so why does some pedantic pseudo intellectual anonymous neckbeard know more than anyone again?
Of course you do and they do, the guy that comes regularly to take out our trash does it in a manner that's unique to his own and considers it his "art", so I guess taking trash out is art as well huh? And it's not just my opinion that video games aren't art, it's almost everyone's. People who are gamers or related to gaming of course would consider it art but peoples who opinions actually matter never will.

>>378729996
Are you retarded?
>biddeo bammes is a performing art form consisting of purposefully selected sequences of human input

>>378728509
That's not golf you idiot

>>378727763
But vidya games can be both. A competitive game can be a sport, a less competitive but more story focused game can be art.

StarCraft 2 can be a sport, MGS2 can be art.

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> Gamers want video games recognized as an art
> Gamers don't want everything that comes with art, like critical evaluation and criticism

hmmmmm

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>>378730250
are you implying that this is not art?

>>378727914
This it's the same reason why texas hold em is on ESPN.

>>378730242
>MGS2
>art
This is my favorite /v/ meme.

>>378730051
>it's almost everyone's
How the FUCK do you know that you desperate autistic shitposter? Do you have any proof at all? The Smithsonian Museum already did an art of video games showcase so you're absolutely fucking wrong.
>peoples who opinions actually matter
Like people who can type whose? I think their opinion matters more than yours, easily.

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>>378730406
>MGS2
>not art
Prove it

>>378730250
>Gamers don't want everything that comes with art, like critical evaluation and criticism
But I do want that. The problem is many idiots think that their personal opinion on a game equals to critical evaluation or criticism.

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>>378730536
NOW
its art

>>378729213
it's okay anon you can suck my dick as well
no homo tho

>>378730597

Criticism is a personal opinion, you fucking moron

>>378730250
Is that criticism "your favourite game is sexist"? Because that shit's pretty worthless. Quality indepth game design discussion can be appreciated by everyone though.

>>378730474
>How the FUCK do you know that you desperate autistic shitposter? Do you have any proof at all?
Have you seen cultural and art critics, philosophers, scholars, literary and expressionist artists say video games are art with internal unity? Have you ever found video games in your art classes or in educational system related to studying and articulating art? On what social and cultural level are video games even considered art?
>inb4 those peoples opinions don't matter because I make "art" for pre pubescent toddlers

>>378730536
>postmodern trash
>art
LMAOing at your shitty American education.

Video games are only art if they are a good video game.

It doesn't matter how well well crafted the audio, visual, or narrative elements of the game are if it not mechanically a good video game then it's just art put in a video game and not art as a video game.

>>378730775
Well it'll take a while for the plebs to catch up with the forward thinking enthusiasts since it's a new medium.

>>378730775
>have you seen cultural and art critics say video games are art BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONSENSUS DESPITE THEM NOT EVEN AGREEING ON WHEN IMPRESSIONISM STARTED OR GAMES R NOT ART
>have you ever found video games in your classical art classes?
This is simply fucking retarded.

>>378730857
>Video games are only art if they are a good video game.

>herpderp gears of war isn't art grey and brown bricks shootan made by bazinga cuck
>hurdur neptunia isn't art because it's weebshit

>>378730843
>MGS2
>postmodern trash
LMAOing at your ignorance

The competitive community playing the games like a sport make those games a sport, including speedrunning and everything else when done for entertainment.
The artistic direction of a video game make it art, as the creators of the game are designing things to be visually appealing to an audience.

If there are visuals in a game they can count as art, if there is a competitive community they can count as a sport, the two aren't mutually exclusive.

>>378728653
To be fair, you wouldn't say you're artistic if you just like to consume art.

>>378730924
Nigga, they divisive opinions among themselves, sometimes on multiple levels but it's not like they're group of 4 people. There are still loads of people that agree with assessments. Got any examples of that kind for your "my vidya is art" argument?

>>378728256
CURLING WHILE HIGH AS FUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>378730979
It is postmodern though. Do you know what postmodern is?

>>378731174
>canadian bowling
>sport

>>378731198
Yes, a buzzword for kiddies like you, we're not even past modernism

>>378730954

You're right. Gears of War and Neptunia aren't art.

>>378731143
http://americanart.si.edu/exhibitions/archive/2012/games/

>>378731240
Donald Trump is literally a postmodern president.

>>378731306
>it's in a museum so it's art
This is your argument?

>>378731457
>hurr durr over a dozen people agreed on what games to display along with online votes along with a single curator but that proves nothing
Any proof of academics talking about the art of video games will be discarded in this same idiotic manner so the conversation is moot

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>>378731403
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
You're absolutely right.

>>378727763
Video game is itself a definition, it is game that you play on TV. Jesus christ. Video games is a form of entertainment, look there is GAME in the name of it. Why we are in a century where people are trying to change the meaning or insert a subliminar meaning to stuff? If video games are a sport so is Chess and Jo Ken Po and the Spelling Bee.

>>378731538
Dude museums preserve like all kinds of shit that have nothing to do with art because they want to preserve everything that's relevant to culture and history. That doesn't really prove that it is art.

>>378731709
The exhibition is called the art of video games, and their polls clearly explained that they were not looking for "gameplay" qualities rather than strong art direction.

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>>378731618
>chess is NOT a sport
people like you are allowed to drive, why?

>>378731857
>chess is a sport

Only if you consider monopoly, hungry hungry hippos and checkers a sport,

>>378731841
So they're looking for games with some artistic merits because they want to preserve artifacts of a culture. Now tell me how is that helping your argument that video games are some serious art?

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>>378732017
i share a planet with people like you
i share a Mongolian cooking board with people like you

>>378732075
>serious art
You're moving the goalposts, you asked if they're art, not taken seriously as an artform, that will take a few decades, but it will happen.

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>>378730536
> Kojima
> art
Prove it

"Sports" and "esports" should be two completely different things that do not relate to each other. Deal?

>>378727763
Designing them is an art
Playing them is a sport

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>>378727763
>Cant be both depending on what the devs intended
Just have an open mind, stuff like LoL and Overwatch are intended to be E sports while Bloodborne, Darksouls, System Shock, Doom and Fallout new vegas the highest form of the art of game design for me.

>>378727763
Sports are art.
Yes I said it. This includes football and handegg.

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>>378727763
Art is something that the creator makes.
A sport is something that the player plays.
So it can be both.

>>378729898
And you can't separate either of them from the art itself.

it's spart

>>378727914
sport is when people watch other people play a game competitively for entertainment, anon,

youre getting sport mixedup with athletic game

>>378728256
have you ever heard of MMA

>>378728256
Kendo

>>378737225
yugioh is a sport?

>>378727763
Some are sport and some are art. It's not that fucking hard to understand, is it.

>>378737584
ye. people have players they root for, dont they. theres pridekek and money on the line. konami puts money into it. sounds like anyother sport to me

>>378730714
no

>>378728449
There's certainly a beauty to movement