Who was the better liar Todd Howard or Sean Murray

>>378713365
Sean

sean is a better liar and deserves his money

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No one can match Conman Inufune. Mr. Howard is a saint

>>378713365
Name one (1) lie Todd told

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>>378713365
>A new contender approaches.

>>378713365
Sean. Because at very least Todd didnt flee after every release.

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>>378713365
Peter Molyneux

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Sean only lied about one game.

Todd will lie about his own corpse's rigor mortis.

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>>378713595
Fallout 3 will have over 200 endings!

>>378713365
Todd and Molyneux are the best since they aren't completely ostracized in the game industry, even after making and hyping up multiple games. Sean blew it after a single one.

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>westerners pretending like they arent kings of the scam

>>378713776
Well if you look at it that way....

>"It just works!"
>It doesn't even work slightly, nothing snaps together attacks on the town don't really work. Every fucking thing about settlement building is broken

TODDDDDDDDD

Sean lied about the entire fucking game and made millions, Todd just lies about the details.

So by far Sean is the master ruseman

>>378713365
Todd Howard.

He's sold multiple games on lies and always gets constant praise from the majority, regardless of quality. Sean Murray made one game that everyone shat on immediately.

>>378714201
But would you rather ruse once and never be believed again, or ruse a thousand times and have people fall for the same tricks time and time again only to claim they won't believe you the next time?

Objectively Sean. Todd only tells small, half lies about minor game content. Sean basically fabricated 80% of what people wanted NMS to be, plus NMS is way worse of a game than anything else in existence.

>>378714201
At least Todd can lie again and again and people would buy his games.
Sean blew it with his single game and nobody will trust him ever again after that shit storm

>>378713365
Todd. Sean did it once and got out. Todd not only keeps on doing it but people applaud him on stage as he does it. Todd is a pure sociopath.

>>378714201
The point of being good at lying is that people believe you. The second No Man's Sky came out, people called him out on his bullshit. Whereas Todd lies all the time and gets away with it.

Todd is good at lying because he's smart enough to only lie about details. Since Sean Murray lied about nearly everything, he was immediately caught. Thus he's a bad liar. Todd has lied about tons of shit for multiple games and still gets people hyped up for every new game.

>>378714468
How many do you thinks dream boys he killed?

Todd doesn't really lie to the same scale as Sean, he just exaggerates a lot of shit, it is not like he claimed/teased Fallout 4 had multiplayer for months, just to backpedal a day before release.

>>378714341
Lying is about people believing you and you getting away with the lie. Sean Murray was called out the second the game came out, hell, before that even. Todd Howard continues to sell games on lies and is still trusted by the majority of people in the industry.

Sean didn't get away with lying, Todd does it all the time. Todd's smart because he chooses to just make things seem bigger than they are. Sean tried to lie about entire mechanics that were just completely absent. Todd's smarter.

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>>378713365
Todd, he lies so boldly.

>>378714932
I wouldn't be surprised to find out Todd gets off on lying to people.

>>378713990
Molyneux is pretty much done though.

>>378715234
why? did he do something bad recently or did he retire or something?

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Fable guy

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>>378713365

Which one had the better palace?

Sean. Todd actually tells some truths

Name one thing Todd lied about

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I just can't bring myself to hate him.

>>378713365
Todd literally never lied, he just embellishes stuff with his high charisma.

>>378716254
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de1M4Q_g2eg

>>378715720
I think the shit with the Cube was his last straw

>>378718538
oh, I forgot about that one.

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Sean was caught in his lies with such blatancy that he got drunk and hijacked the company Twitter account then disappeared.
Todd continues to lie to this day, and keeps deceiving the general public except for those woke enough to see his true form

>>378713365
Todd is still considered "respectable" in the industry.

murray was a better liar from what we've seen, but he had the element of surprise. everyone knew howard was full of shit when he says "IT JUST WORKS" but they ate it up anyway. but howard has also been able to spin these lies successfully for a long time, we'll see how murray does.

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>>378716000
Trips confirm it for the unbeatable liar piece of shit

>>378720580
Only complete morons fell for Murray. It was blindingly obvious from day one that couldn't possibly cash the checks being written by the hype. The only thing that became more obvious as time passed and we got more videos of Murray lying at incredibly sweaty speeds was that they are actually trying to cover up their failure rather than it being an honest miscalculation of a small dev team not realizing what they were up against. Murray was an incredibly shitty liar, people just fell for it anyway.

Kids these days don't know about Molyneux.

>>378713365
Randy Pitchford

>>378716000

This and only this

>>378713365
Todd. Even after every game no one seems to care so it'll just keep going. No one's buying Sean's games anymore.

Sean actually had people thinking that WE PROGRAMMED MOLECULES THAT GIVE THE SKY ITS COLOR IT'S NOT JUST SKYBOXES GUYS

>>378713365
Todd, because he keeps getting away with it.

Sean, because of the grand scale of a single lie (as in the whole game itself).

>>378713896
/thread

>>378713365
todd because his lies didn't backlash.

>>378713896
>>378716000
at lest he's been completely discredited and dropped off the face of the game industry.

...right?

>>378716000
Molyneux was Bullfrog's George Lucas.

>>378713365
I would pay money to watch them fug

>>378713365
Todd. Todd will say something like "there's an infinite number of quests", then add a bunch of repeatable fetch quests. Murray got called on his bullshit, and it was obvious he was lying.

>>378713365
Todd, because he fooled me one one occasion. Sean's lies were so blatantly obvious because simply of how he behaved. He couldn't keep a straight face during the shit he said, I'm almost convinced he didn't want to, but his producers made him do it to sucker more people into sales. Any time Todd pulls out a porky, people are still going give him the benefit of the doubt; if Sean does the same he will be scrutinized with a microscope.

>>378716202
better liar not bigger liar, read the OP.

>>378713595
Fallout 4 has no loading screens!

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>>378718730
This.
Sean was lucky and got away with a single scam.
Todd gets away with it constantly, like it's his breakfast to lie.

>>378713952
It does though.

>>378718730
>>378725235
https://youtu.be/M1io8iudJFI?t=2m14s

Anyone with a modicum of sense saw through Sean's lies instantly. Many people were calling No Man's Sky out for what it was more than a year before its release. The only people who think Sean is a a good liar are idiots that deserved losing money on NMS.

On the other hand, you expect lies from Todd. He seems like a genuinely passionate guy and even if he can't deliver on what he promises, he delivers games worth modding.

Ed Boon

>>378713365
Sean. At least Todd's games are "playable"

>>378713365
Considering that Sean had to go into hiding after just one scam and Todd is still doing it - Todd.

>>378724438
I think he died with Godus.

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>>378727027
>Mortal Kombat X will be on ps3 and xbox 360"
>Dlc pack 3 is coming soon
>MK Remake is coming soon
>Mortal Kombat 2 shaolin monks
>Mortal kombat shinnok is our NEW liu kang
>We make our mortal kombat online servers better
Why does everything Ed Boon says a lie?

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>>378727481
Shujinko was never a liu kang status

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>>378725441
If you dont do it, i will.

>>378713365
Todd constantly tells small half-lies and gets away with it. Sean told many lies that can be summed up in one big lie that is his game and he didn't get away with it.
Todd is a better lier and can keep doing it because he's good at it. He knows not to do the big one.

The greatest trick Todd ever pulled was convincing the world that Skyrim wasn't shit.

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>>378713365

Not even a contest senpai.

Only reddit and neofags fell for Sean's lies, and that was thanks to their own imaginings.

No Man's Sky is now abandonware, I presume?

why does everyone shit on molyneux? He has grand scale ideas for games, but at least his games are playable. fo4 took months and tons of mods to be even remotely acceptable, and no man's sky is still incredibly awful with no improvement in sight.

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>Todd Howard is so like-able even though he says Small game Lies like "Fallout 4 will bring us back to the original fallout that came out in 1997 " The games Todd made were playable and could somewhat be enjoyed. So Todd got away with it.
>Sean Murray is so awkward, unlike-able, and lied about a entire game just to keep the hype up."No man's sky will let you play with other players online" "You will be able to explore millions of planets" Game was shit in exceptions, so he couldn't get away.

>>378727952
fable

Is there a list of the things Todd Howard ACTUALLY lied about?

So far, I've found Radiant AI, Infinite Skyrim quests, Voiceover for Oblivion being half the filesize, detailed models in Fallout 4, Skyrim's supposed economy system.

Anything I missed?

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>>378727934
No Man's sky got 20 updates after the awful release
>Reddit Fags say now is "No man's sky is somewhat better"
The fact of the matter is the game is bad and nothing can change it

>>378728170
fair enough, but fable was still a great game even if you didn't get scars that lasted your character's life and that other shit. Did anyone actually expect that though? I'd have figured everyone who wasn't a teenager would have figured out that it was embellished.

>>378713365
Todd lies more but Sean is the better and biger liar.

>>378713365
Depends on how we quantify their lies. Murray went big and went hard with lies he could never recover from and got away with it at the cost of a permanently scarred reputation. Todd has kept it a bit more discreet and plays the game for the long run, doing just enough that his repuatation doesn't get hurt but not enough to satisfy his 'customers'. They're on two different ends of the spectrum, but both are masters of the art regardless.

>>378728225
It's only like $20 now, so I might try it.

>>378728238
Fable was a big deal before release, I didn't own Xbox so I didn't know the backlash till much later. You'd have to find someone more involved.

>>378728292
hah. I had diamond picks for the last like 3 weeks of curiosity. Fuck that was a fun time.

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>>378728336
Don't worry you can always refund it, don't expect much of the sean murray's lie

>>378713595
>It just works

>>378728174
Did Radiant quests even get hyped up? I don't remember Todd and friends talking them up as a big deal.

>>378728594
"Skyrim has INFINITE quests"

This was continuously said before release

>>378728637
Well it technically does, doesn't it? Not that they're any good.

>>378713973
Fuckin Hideo man. At least Kojima tried to make V good.

is there actual proof that Todd outright lied? at most he just said shit like "the graphics are amazing" or "It just works" which is much more subjective. Sean just straight up lied about actual features that were supposed to be in the game

>>378728174
He lied about Oblivion having a revolutionary new dynamic lighting system in the same video he talked about radiant AI iirc. The only thing in Oblivion that even had actual shadows were fucking trees.

>>378713595
dynamic snow

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>>378713365

>>378724438
He'll be back.
Dude's an egotistical millionaire, they don't just "drop off".

>>378729189
I don't think Pitchford lies, so much as he has become completely disconnected from reality. Insane in a legal sense, he's not lying because he genuinely believes in his nutty version of reality.

>>378729189
Did he claim to have some hand in Half Life or something?

>>378729791
He claimed him and Gabe gambled for who would get to name their company Valve on a riverboat in Louisiana or some shit. Gabe came out and said that never happened and Randy backpeddled like crazy after that.

>>378724264
This. Todd lies are in another level. He talks of his games like if they created something extremely impossible to realize. this is the thing that made his lies different from other developers.

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>>378713365
id say todd, because hes still in the business

>>378713365
Chris Roberts

>>378713365
Todd, people still buys its products, it is very very actively played on steam and have a gigantic mod community with petabytes of big horse dicks.

Sean is just a failure, he lied and lied and lied and was caught on, Steam for the first time opened refund on the game no matter for how long you've played it and the backlash was gigantic.

The next Todd game will be the same old shit that bethesda shoves and it will sell like water on the beach.

>>378713365
Sean, as Todd has never lied to us.

>>378716000
His problem is that he Aims too high then he realizes that what he wants is yet not possible. It is like he blunders himself wich every new console generation believing that he will be able to deliver something but then the reality crushes his dreams.
At least he is honest and admits that he wasnt able to do this and that.

>>378729189
Nah, Randy is like a Antony Burch style.

Sean is the bigger liar. Todd is the better liar.

>>378713365
I don't know. You effectively can climb that mountain.

>>378728451
Cute feet

>>378725939
there is toddlets!!! When!?

>>378713595
>go anywhere do anything
>invisible wall
Haha, great prank Todd.

>>378713896
Fucking this. Todd makes lies about things that in most cases if they were actually implemented wouldn't even be fun. BotW showed us that climbing mountains is boring as shit for example.

>>378713595
Radiant AI

>>378716000
>Still have the game informer issue where they have the huge exclusive on Fable, then known as project ego.
>we will never have that game

It still hurts.

>>378735103
>BotW showed us that climbing mountains is boring as shit for example.
idk. isn't there this one VR game where you free climb? i'd imagine that's fun

Sean was a straight up liar.
With Todd you get the feeling he gets too excited for his own games and exaggerates or puts in his own ideas that wouldn't be viable, doesn't help he seems to forget that PR teams exist too.

>>378728174
but Skyrim does have infinite quests. They're randomly generated fetch missions, yes, but they're still quests that are infinitely available

Howard.
Murray got busted way to hard.
Also don't think Molyneux lies. I think he is just so retarded he honestly thinks these things will be in the game.

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>The dragon, the beast and the false prophet

>>378728174
You can climb that mountain.
Anything about just werx, bug free, or less bugs.

>tfw never watched a Todd Howard presentation, so I've never been lied to and bought his games on fair ground
Don't blame me that you cucks are so impatient that you can't just wait for a game to release and have to research every little thing before then, and stupidly believe all of it

>>378714604
They didn't "tease" multiplayer in No Man's Sky, they outright said it would have it. The fucking initial run of PS4 discs had their covers printed before Sony found out the multiplayer was a lie and they had to put a sticker over it to avoid fines and/or lawsuits.

>>378735593
Skyrim also did have an economy system. As you sold more to NPCs, they would run out of gold

>>378735996
It's not even lies, it's people going full on autistic with his statements. Like the classic "See that mountain? You can climb it." I took that to mean you'd be able to get to the top, but apparently /v/ believes Todd told them there would be a system allowing you to dynamically climb everything in the world.

>>378718730

what is the source of that image? That is positively terrifying, and straight from my nightmares.

>>378713595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvHE2Scq4Ms

>>378713365
Todd ,he gets away with it.

>>378736126
No, the economy system he was talking about was say if you were to somehow burn down a saw mill, local shopkeepers would raise the prices of certain goods because now they have to import some things in from other holds. What you're talking about is in literally every bethesda game and isn't what Todd was talking about.

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>>378713446
>>378713516
>>378713776
>>378714201
Wrong, Sean didn't get away with lying like Todd, he's been hiding his face for almost a year now out of shame.
Todd has been lying since 2005 and still gets away with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsxl7l1otUE

todd did nothing wrong

>>378735103
But it's not

>>378714201
Getting away with your lies is the real, deal, Todd knows this and works on a long time investment, lying there and there to make his crap appealing but not too much to get shit on

>>378738527
>I've been better, how bout you?
>I've been better, how bout you?
>I hope things get better

>>378735261
What did he originally say Fable would be like?

Todd. Lying is all about getting the audience to believe you and then also not turn on you later.

Todd is pretty popular and despite his lies his games succeed both commercially and critically and people love to hear him talk. More people liked Skyrim than hated it.

The same can not be said of Sean Murray.

>>378720580
No way was he better. There are compilation videos of Sean lying and every time he does it, you can tell he's lying.

>>378713365
It's Peter Molyneux

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>>378713595
>Fallout 3 has over 200 endings
>Skyrim has infinite quests
>Skyrim doesn't use gambyro
>It just works

>>378713365
Todd Howard is a holy man. A saint. A gallant paragon of justice that has never lied in his life. I climbed the mountain of truth to find the one, true faith. A faith in Todd. I'm blessed and feel nothing but holy ecstasy.

Come join me and bask in Todd's benevolence. Complete the trinity of love that Todd gives you by acquiring salvation which Todd will sell to you joyously for five easy separate payments or all five together for the price of four.

All you have to do is withhold your doubts and climb that mountain.

>>378739691
HEIL TODD!!

>>378739691
>Our Todd is an awesome Todd
>He reigns from Bethesda above
>With charisma, power and love

>>378713595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMhOMfs_o0

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Any more to add in?

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>nobody in this thread has been able to name ONE (1) lie
Feels good to be the best developer the world has ever seen

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>>378740356
How do you take responsibility for this?

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>>378713365
me

>>378713365
Todd he actually gets away with and he gets a completely free pass from mainstream reviewers despite his games being an absolute bug ridden disaster. The worst they usually get is "minor technical issues" and still get 9,10/10's.

Sean told way more lies than Todd but he didn't get away with it.

>>378740385
I dont see it, what now?

>>378739380
Skyrim did have infinite quests, they just suck. So this one actually isn't a lie.

Todd should not be compared to the likes of that nu male cuck, Todd is a mastermind that knows how to fool thousands and get away with it, whereas that faggot probably didn't even want to lie but his exaggerations got out of hand and the best of him, making him look like a complete ass.

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hay guys

>>378713595
Everything he say is a lie, you can't even tell if it's really a lie or not.

neither of them lied they were just purposely ambiguous and didn't reign in expectations

it's your fault for being a stupid person

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>>378735197
still makes me mad

>>378741274
This nigga gets it.

>spends $20,000 on a gimmick door for the studio
>still hasn't delivered the game he promised in 1834

>>378741763
>If you don't release your game in one year you're a liar
Hmm.

>>378741912
>being purposefully obtuse
:thinking:

>>378713896
Fable guy behind him looks a lot like Todd.

>>378713365
Sony.

>>378713365
Murray did too big a lie once which, while impressive, has pretty much locked him out of the industry, never to lie again. Molyneux is also lying in a big way, but not quite as much since he somehow kept himself in the industry for so long
Now Todd is the true master, he realized that sweet little lies are the way to go; some exaggerations here and there, a little charisma, hype and stuff that aren't actually lies but just really arbitrary like infinte quests or 200+ endings. This allows Todd to stay in the game, with his small lies culminating into a total lie grander than anyone else could do

>>378735197
see the difference is todd uses very generic buzzwords that could be reinterpreted if he absolutely needed to

>>378724438
He and 22 Cans are still making games. They released some mobile game late last year that was well-received.

>>378713595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvGXCisAaR4

Did Sean lie though? I mean in interviews he literally said the game wouldn't even be fun.

>>378744284
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE0nuW-mQ8A

One can lie once to a thousands people

But one cannot lie a thousands times to one person

>>378713365
I'd say in comparison to Sean, Todd just comes up a bit short.

I remember seeing Todd cast a fire spell in Skyrim during an e3 presentation just at the moment a dragon was killed to make it look like there's an animation that makes it cinematic to absorb dragon souls. Obviously that was never in the game, but it ended the Skyrim showing on a high note.

I can't get mad at that, mad props to the guy for the rad skills to his lying craft.

>>378713365
It's called todd posting for a reason. Not sean posting.

Still can't get over it, /v/?

>>378716097
what was the name of Todd's Palace again?

>>378747251
the unfunny forced meme spouting reddit faggots palace probably

>>378724984
He never said this

>>378728504
It does

>>378738669
Shut the fuck up drone

>>378713365
todd fooled me 3 times, I never ever believed sean lies.

Todd.