How would you design a game to specifically fuck over speedrunners?

>>378695141
Dead Rising 1

>>378695141
Unskippable cutscenes.

>>378695141
its easy to do, you just make 99% of the game RNG

If you finish the game in a certain amount of time (the number changes each time) it starts you over

I'd hit the speedrunners in the hands with a hammer.

Unskippable cutscenes
Timed protection/defense missions
Arbitrary item quotas to progress that only replenish after a set in-game time

>>378695141
make walking speed the same as original NES DW1/2/3/4

RNG-Based core mechanics.
Eg. The distance you jump is random each time.

Introduce a strong as fuck boss that can only be damaged by a special command; the damage dealt being proportionate to your level.

>>378695141
Make it a game nobody wants to play

>>378695404
This. Everything would be randomized. Randomized movement speed, randomized damage, randomized enemy spawns, randomized time limit, etc.

Sometimes enemies you have to kill run away from you for 30 seconds. This is completely random.

Normal players wouldn't mind much, but over the course of the whole game, this would add up to several minutes of time that's purely random. Getting a good time would require running the game hundreds of times until RNG doesn't screw you, no matter how good you are.

Add a door at the very end that only opens after a certain amount of time has passed. This time is extended the sooner you reach it. If you glitch past the door, you are instantly killed because a certain sit of invisible triggers need to be activated.

Also, inputs are randomly ignored and animations are randomly sped up or slowed down, including the associated hit/hurt boxes.

>>378695141
I would fill it with RNG. Really devastating RNG that could make or break a run.

>>378696161
>>378695876
>>378695618
>>378695404
Honestly, this doesn't fuck over speedrunners that badly because most of them try to get the world record time. They'd just restart until they win. Trust me, I used to watch a lot of binding of isaac.

whole game is like that buzz light year roller coaster where you shoot enemies as you fly by

Game would always be the same length and only accuracy would be used to determine score

Include a hidden story path that's mostly just irrelevant padding if they reach a certain point in the game fast enough.
If they glitch past anything, have a flag check 80% of the way in that will reset their progress if it detects anything that was skipped.

Make every level in a 2D game like those autoscrolling levels where you can't move past the cameras view of the screen.

>>378695334
perfect

Just add checks to every boss/special pick up normally required to complete the game, to make sure they at least have to do everything.

The entire point of the game is to get a password to enter in the room you wake up in. There are no collectibles, you only gain knowledge such as passwords. And there is no binary state that can be seen as "obtaining a password", since they are woven into the game's environment.

Therefore any% speed runs take two seconds and miss the whole point of the game. And 100% speed runs are undefinable.

The last level has a cutscene that plays on loop until the game timer reaches a specific amount of hours, then have a single player interaction requirement to start the credits.

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The door to the final boss opens after 20 in game hours.

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>>378695141
>tfw people speedrun P5 any% true ending
>world record is over 18 hours long

>>378695141
Why would you design a game specifically to fuck over speedrunners?

Where did they touch you on the doll, Anon?

>>378697247
They'd still compete on the boss though. You need a time based ending cutscene so that all players finish at the same time

>>378697420

I'm 40+ hours in and only just got Futaba, I've not played a game this long in forever, I've forgotten what it's like.

This is old school "lasts for months playing everyday" style RPG and I'm digging it.

>>378695141
Already done. Try speed running Animal Crossing.

The game gets longer by 5 minutes by stretching certain obligatory hallways each time you start the program/start a new game. The game requires an internet connection at start up/when you pass through those hallways and stores your time delay on your online account so that you can't edit it. The only way to achieve the best time is do a perfect run on a brand new copy so if you want to speedrun it you have to pay the developers another $40 for every record attempt.

>>378695141
RNG absolutely will not stop someone from restarting until they get a good run (or finding ways to manipulate the RNG). Unskippable cutscenes have never stopped people from speedrunning.

The only thing that would stop a speedrunner is if 100% of the game is an auto-scroller; no menus, no dialogue mashing, just auto-scroller from the time you hit start until the credits. Then you instead have people gunning for the highest score possible, etc. So basically, there is no way to stop autistic people from being autistic with your game.

>>378695141
tripping

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>>378698685

Autism finds a way.

>>378695404
this
THIS
https://youtu.be/t1jwZg3cPM8?t=28s

>>378695404
that's where tool-assisted speedruns come in handy

Make sure there are no glitches which enables someone to clip through walls, floors, ceilings or doors.

Make sure bunny hopping isn't a thing in the game.

Make sure havoc physics based object acceleration via collision bug is fixed.

None of these will truly kill speedrunning, but it will make it so none of them can finish the game hours before a regular player can.

>>378698870
>guy starts screaming, getting genuinely angry instead of laughing at how absurd it is
Why would you spend so much time playing a game if you don't even have fun doing it anymore?

>>378699190
i don't understand either, seems autistic

>>378699286
Werster is probably actually autistic though

>>378697592

OP is cosmo trying to fuck over john fucking numbers

>>378695141
RNG out the ass

>>378699190
raging at a game is pretty normal mate, doesn't mean you're not having fun.

>>378697592
It's my mission to destroy speedrunners forever

>>378699804
There's raging at a game and then there's barely holding yourself screaming WHAT THE FUUUUCK

>Make sure no section of the game is skippable through glitches
>Add hundreds of hours worth of padding

>>378695656
/thread

>>378699804
I understand raging at a game to an extent, but what happened to that guy is clearly fucking hilarious and he's throwing a screeching bitchfit instead of letting himself find amusement in it.

>>378698119
Already done faggot
http://www.speedrun.com/ac

>>378695618
this wouldn't really matter unless the game was super short. it'd pretty much even out at the end of a run.

Endless mode

The faster you play, the more likely the game is to crash.

If you progress too fast the game becomes impossible, basically there would be a hard limit to game completion.

just make a game with hours of autoscrolling before any part that actually requires skill. basically something like the first day in MM where it takes like 20 minutes to beat, but there's simply nowhere to save time, so it becomes a mindnumbing chore if you ever need to restart your run.

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I think you already know

>>378695141
Put a 10% rng check 2 hours into the run and call it dampe.

>>378696009
>Wouldn't mind much
I'd scream the second time that happened to me 2bh
I don't speed run or anything, but waiting 30 seconds is extremely annoying when it happens multiple times
That's one of the many things I hate about Ubisoft games, when you interact with anything in the game a half hour long animation plays

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>>378700585
>>378701015
For a game that's about going fast, Its probably the slowest.

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>game has no ending

>>378698870
>speedrunning pokemon
why

>>378701430
It actually does

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>>378697420
>speedrunning a game you have to set aside an entire day for a single non-segmented attempt

>>378697838
I'm on the 2nd to last dungeon with 75 hours

>>378701714
Huh, who would've thunk.
http://www.defunctgames.com/32endings/18/tetris-this-game-has-an-ending

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>>378695141
very sexy lewd scenes so that you feel compelled to stop and fap

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I would make sequence breaking jumps near impossible without the use of outside game tools

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Require you to stop playing the game for 24 hours after a set amount of time, and then also ask that you take your time to bake a fucking cake.

>>378695141

i would make a game so good that it would sell enough to give me funds to hire assassins to murder the speedrunners during their attempts

actually rape would probably be better and less expensive than murder? i would hire rapists to rape them and leave long lasting traumatic emotions and physical injuries up their asses

Monitor the speedrunning community if one develops and quietly nerf or remove all of their glitches/tricks/exploits.

Every now and then a completely random enemy will cheat and damn near break the game just to make sure it kills the player. Think Lothric spear knight on a long set of stairs.

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>>378702961
Alright, here is the best post in the thread. Pack it in.

>>378695141
Make a David Cage "game" where the entire game is a scripted QTE. Nothing to manually interact with, nothing to exploit, just a slog of fixed inputs at fixed times, with the results of the QTE having a fixed execution time whether successful or failed. Literally zero completion time difference between frame-perfect tool assisted, the fastest speedrunner, and your confused grandmother.

>>378702567
>He doesn't speed run H-games
>He doesn't blow his load within .1 seconds in game
Shameful.

>>378695141
Bullet hell, but you can't shoot, only run out the clock.

>>378695141
Try to do 100% Pokedex run on Pokemon.

You have to wait and download certain event Pokemon at certain time. Some event pokemon are long gone and you have to wait until the next event to receive it.

Literally undoable

>>378705687
Gen 1 can be completed this way even without a tool assisted run.

>>378695334
Done in one

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The game automatically finishes in X amount of time. No 'finished' play through can last longer or shorter than said amount. If you finish the game beforehand, the game forcibly makes you do dull, grindy tasks until the time reaches X where the game then ends. If everyone has the same amount of time per playthrough, everyone's a winner.

Done.

>>378706016
Then people would just invent categories that end where the grinding begins.

>>378695141
I hate Makoto

>>378706131
The game will remind autists in a friendly manner that the game does not end until the game says it's ended and that no one will take speedrunners seriously either way.

>>378706208
I want to smell Makoto's sweaty leggings.

>>378705864
But how about 100% national pokedex on SM?

>>378695876
>Randomized time limits
Does a game out there even do this?

>>378695334

And yet...

http://www.speedrun.com/dr1#72_Hour_Mode

>>378695141
Design FF10

>>378707073
And yet!

http://www.speedrun.com/ffx#PS3PS4

>>378695334
72 hour mode could probably be done quickly. Just be at each location right as it starts. Infinity mode is what would fuck them over. Fixed time game and health continually drains as time goes by. Perfect.

why not just let autists be autists? the rage when they mess up is funny as shit, and it's funnier now that most of it's on stream nowadays so people can watch their autistic hissy fits live

>>378699190
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b56N17d4WnM

This guy explains it. A false sense of accomplishment and having nothing else to do with your pathetic life.

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>Make it always online.
>Let one player get an amazing time.
>System detects if a player is extremely under time when compared to record holder.
>Purposely spikes lag on that player in small amounts, enough to eventually bring their time up until they quit out and start a new time.
>Keep doing this, only letting a single person take the new time by a second or two once or twice a year.
>Start selling boosts that "improve HP regen" but also secretly let them go stealth mode to the time system for brief times.
>Laugh as autists max their neet bux on my scam.

make 90% of the game actually very friendly to speed running, with designer implemented exploits, sequence breaks, and minimal rng. then, for the last level or two, ramp up the rng and add frame perfect jumps and sequence breaks in which failure results in massive, unavoidable back tracking, causing completion to take longer than if you just completed the level normally.

runners can't help but be as efficient as possible. result, possible wr runs would often be ruined at the last minute by bullshit difficulty, leading to screams and broken controllers.

>>378707262
People really will speedrun anything won't they

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>>378707620
This is gold. Thanks for the laugh.

>>378707782
they speedrun VNs.

Special software that detects speed runners and then murders their entire family

>>378695141
Make a dating simulator, but instead of humans it's pigeons

>>378707970
>Not special software that detects streams and synthesizes anthrax to puff out of their cooling fans
You don't know SHIT about video games.

>>378707782
Any popular RPG will have a large speed commuity built around it. Every main series Final Fantasy has many, many runners and there are semi-regular speedrun relays of the entire series that last for DAYS. There's an AGDQ-style marathon every year called RPG Limit Break consisting solely of RPGs where almost every block is a 3+ hour run. It's insane. But it makes for good background noise, so I've been listening to quite a lot of Kingdom Hearts runs lately, since most of the best runners of that series generally avoid sperging out when things go poorly.

>you can only beat the game by entering zone A
>program it that you can't enter Zone A/it forcibly ejects you from Zone A/ending doesn't trigger even if you enter into Zone A if you playtime is under a certain threshold

where's my prize?

>>378708139
>search on speedrun.com
>no runs submitted for Hatoful Boyfriend

I guess you win

>>378695141
I wouldn't. Never affects casual play.

>I'm an ideas guy: the thread

>>378695141
>Areas within walls are insta-death.
>The faster you progress in the game, the faster the AI ramps up.
>Design an in-game time system a la Dead Rising where you're forced to kill time before you can progress with no way to accelerate time.
>no Quick Load or Quick Save
>If you try to quickly skip through an NPCs dialogue, they stop and scold you for not listening, then proceed to repeat themselves at half speed with unskippable text.

a lot of these ideas just sound like bad game design things that would annoy casual players and speed runners alike

Make tranny jokes.

>>378695141
By making it a gacha-based mobile game with a stamina bar and no true end.

>add a luck stat
>if it's not high enough, random chance to drop an airplane on the player, killing them

no bustas allowed

If you don't want a game to have a speedrunner fanbase, just do the most annoying shit possible.

>Make the bosses only accessible on certain times
>penalize the player by slowing the character down if they go too fast in an area
>Give it retarded RNG level design so that they can't have certain places memorized by pitfall placement, monsters, pathing, etc
>have collectibles that you can only gather to 100% the game after the credits roll
>give the character an 80 year old man's stamina, so after 2 seconds of sprinting he has to rest for 5 minutes
>make the game impassable unless you clear tutorials and minigames

And of course, skipping cutscenes is not only disabled, but if you hit ANY button while the cutscene plays, it will repeat back to the beginning of the cutscene

>>378695141
Make it so that the game has a bell curve difficulty where it's most difficult if you skip everything and just as difficult if you 100% (enemies scale with you, higher percentage means higher difficulty mode and AI shenanigans). Thus they have to puss out on grabbing some stuff that wastes time in order to make the speedrun possible.

Also deliberately program in crashpoints near the ending. Some for using specific strats, some that randomly happen. All crashes wipe saves.

I know most of this is just joking around but
>ever intentionally alienating potential players from buying your game

If anything, I'd include a separate speedrun mode which auto-skips cutscenes, reduces non-gameplay animations, etc. and include it in the marketing for the game.

>>378709416
>And of course, skipping cutscenes is not only disabled, but if you hit ANY button while the cutscene plays, it will repeat back to the beginning of the cutscene
That's a good idea, here's another:

If you beat a level on one of the 59 frames of the 60 frames in a second, you immediately restart the level. The frame that allows you to beat the level is randomized every second.

>>378707620
Wow.
That actually takes some serious (if tiny) balls to admit.

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I had this idea once where a game increases the difficulty the faster you complete it. Basically if it detects you going too fast it starts to shit on you until you slow down.

>>378695141
If the game detects sequence breaking, it deletes your save.

Extreme RNG and a microtransaction cost to reset your game (casual players would never need to reset to 100% the game).

>final area of the game is right at the beginning of the game
>blocked by an impassable barrier for the entire game
>no glitch can pass it, it's programmed to warp you 5 feet away if you touch it
>speedrunners spend years looking for a way through it
>it's only a model, the real way into the final dungeon is via a warp

>>378700585
Getting rid of Miiverse was a mistake

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>>378695141

>>378709743
>>378709416
>penalize the player by slowing the character down if they go too fast in an area
You realize this kind of idea wouldn't work, right? They would just find the exact threshold at which they can play the game without it fucking them, or figure out which areas it's worth it to take the hit to complete fast, etc. It would just become part of their routing.

>>378695141
I'm not that familiar with the speedrunner community, are they obnoxious?

>>378709924
well what would you do anon?

Just make a weeb porn game that gets banned on twitch.

A fingerprint is required to log in, and it is impossible to delete your save.

>>378710098
This >>378706208

>>378709924
yes, that is why i need to pair it with several ideas that manipulate the player in some way. Unfortunately you don't see this kind of AI because its difficult to design a punishing time lengthening system and yet still be fun somehow.

Maybe some sort of time power that the slower you go, the weaker your level becomes, but in return the game gets easier, and the faster you go, the stronger the enemies become. Might be cool.

>>378710081
I've watched a few TAS of games that took +30 mins to finish, but thats only because it's amazing to see whats impossible for a normal human to accomplish.

That, and also with TAS, I don't have to worry about listening to some autistic kid commentating stupid shit for that long either

>>378695141
The entire game is an escort mission where the escort moves on their own at a set speed so every playthrough takes the exact the same amount of time.

>>378710081
Depends on the run. Sometimes even games where you spend the majority of the time out of bounds can still take 1+ hours.

>>378695141
Roguelike with no way of telling what the next level is going to be like before going there.
Better yet, a roguelike that's a more complicated version of Wumpus World, so any tile you step on can end your game and there are certain situations that you have no guarantee of a safe path.

>>378697592
speed runners are complete faggots lmao

>>378709914
How do you speedrun a grind that has no end?

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>>378695141
There isn't a way to speedrun shmups since they're primarily auto-scrollers.

So there's that, I guess?

>>378697838
I played it every day and beat it in 6 days

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>Exclusively to fuck with speedrunners

Dialogue like custom robo where every letter makes an annoying sound
Make it compatible for multiple controllers so they have to argue about that
Make boss fights trivial with certain items they pick up, or a complete pain in the ass without them
Make it so you lose complete control of your character if you get hit or fall like in La Mulana
Make going through the inventory 20% faster than the other menus
Make it so they have to go out of their way for the faster route that makes them end up wasting time either way

Basically I would just fill it with a ton of really minor things that would piss off anyone that spent hours trying to perfect their understanding of the game.

>>378702829
I like this one
>at least 24 hours of real time has to pass between levels

Sure they might beat each level quickly, but each attempt takes weeks of playing a couple hours per day.

>>378695141

Make the game start beside a door that ends the game and rolls the credits. Any % runs would literally be a race to see who can get closer to 0 seconds completion.

>>378711256
>most comprehensive post itt
>least cancerous tone

Underrated

>>378695141
speedrunner always finds a way

Aside from fixing glitches that allow for skips, it seems like actively trying to fuck with speedrunners would make the game fucking annoying for regular playthroughs as well, especially if you go by most ideas in this thread.

Leaving the designated level area is insta-kill.

Frankly it should be a thing regardless.

>>378696009
30 seconds is way too long to have them running away. I don't speedrun anything and that would just annoy me to the point of not playing the game anymore.

Instead, how about a chance to run for 5 - 12 seconds, with a % chance to only run for 2 seconds, just to mix it up.

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>>378709872
Damn, Anon that's actually pretty good.
But they'd probably fuck with the game mechanics to figure out the "warp" to the final area anyway

>>378712386
>final boss is unkillable unless you have several items in your inventory, which are gotten via normal progression

Everybody's putting hard limits, I say continuously scale the difficulty of each level/section inversely with the time taken for the last section (so if you absolutely sped through the last level, you're probably fucked in the next one)

Real-time clock which makes places and items accessible only at certain times of the year. You can't beat the game unless you have items available several months apart.

>>378712990
there's a game where an item's only available after like a month after the game's started. Some dumbass did a 100% run for it, or something

>>378712386
to this day no one has figured out how to get past the barrier on hyrule in Wind Waker. Which is pretty much what the anon described

>>378713705
Someone found a way past it in WWHD like a month or two ago

I thought OPs suggestion was to just discourage speedrunning but half of the shit in this thread would be infuriating for normal players as well. A game being fast paced and fun to play through if you're good at it shouldn't be discouraged.

>>378713817
did it really? is it exclusive to HD?

>>378714098
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hUIp3eUyKI

>every speedrun trick is frame perfect, saves only a few seconds, and carries heavy penalties for failing

>>378713817
>>378714257
welp thats really cool, still my point sitll stands and it is not possible to get past it in the orignial