What does /v/ think of the SaGa series?

I only played Final Fantasy Legends 1-3. They were okay at the time.

Most of them would be fantastic if they were finished/had the budget and time to fulfill what they wanted. As it stands most of them are just OK.

>>378687135

akitoshi kawazu is a crazy hack whose game don't make any sense

i will never understand how the series even became popular in japan to begin with

>>378687135
Pretty good, almost universally better than its sister series outside of Unlimited SaGa and FFV. Sparking is one of the best methods for learning skills ever and the game's had a great, in-depth skill system ever since it transitioned over to one in RS1.

It could do with being a little more structured. Not SF2 tier railroaded by any means, but just make dungeons more detailed and be more coherent than SF1's fever dream world.

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>>378687135
I only played Final Fantasy 2 and Final Fantasy Legends 1-3, although I have one or two SaGa Frontier games lying around somewhere.

I really liked Legend of Legacy, so they clearly managed to refine the combat system to the point where it is enjoyable by itself. I can't say much about the post-Game Boy series as I haven't tried it myself, although it does look nice.

Whatever happened to SaGa Scarlet Grace and that Romancing SaGa 2 remake on the Vita?

I've only played SaGa Frontier. It was a lot of fun but it was nigh incomprehensible, which I've heard blamed on the fact that it was highly unfinished.

Only JRPG series I'd rate in being consistently good. The Romancing SaGa remake is also head and shoulders better than any other JRPG I've played. I don't think I will ever play a JRPG better than RS:MS.

>>378688634
Scarlet Grace and RS2 remaster are both on Vita, in Japan. They are still stalling on the RS2 localization for the Vita. I still won't expect Scarlet Grace to be localized.

SaGa Frontier is a great game, but the way it explains nothing could annoy pretty much every newcomer.

The only other game I like is Romancing Saga on PS2, even Romancing Saga 3 is pretty shit by today's standards. But SF1 is in my top 10 PS1 games.

The soundtracks are all 11/10

>>378689416
Was Scarlet Grace that bad?

SaGa Frontier 2 is superior to SaGa Frontier

Deal with it

>>378689616
No, it's actually really good.

>>378687135
I really enjoy them.

>>378689696
fuck off retard

>>378689696
One of them is half finished and the other isn't, plus one has the advantage of being one of the best looking 2D JRPGs ever while the other looks like shit.

>>378689616
Square doesn't seem to like localizing SaGa. I mean we didn't even get the SaGa 2 and 3 remakes for the DS. It was amazing that we even got the mobile remasters for RS2 and in the future RS3.

This is the Vita's last year, after this the games will be in droplets, not a trickle, so I can see why Scarlet Grace wouldn't be localized.

>>378687135
I'd kill for someone to hack in missing content for this game.
Though the only hacking forum is only this and it's barren: http://jce3000gt.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=28

>>378689696
I found SaGa Frontier 2 to be the weakest in the series.

>>378689785
SF1 looks completely fine everywhere outside of battles, but honestly who gives a shit. I love how all the environments in SF1 are pre-rendered and you can run Sanic fast through all of them since it has nothing to load

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9R9Qj0wEw0

The Egg has the best final boss music

>>378689910
Weaker than Unlimited?

>>378689551
This is correct, no series does battle music as consistently good as SaGa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPC63TtQtjQ

What's the appeal of it?

>>378690116
Weaker than Final Fantasy Legend III and Unlimited Saga. It is just too restrictive with movement and too story heavy. Got tired of it and just wanted to dick around.
>>378690204
Different growth mechanics (especially in the games that have various races), fun character customization, later games are a bit more open world which you can get lost in, sparking to learn skills is awesome, and the series became less and less grind to win due to certain mechanics being put into place.

Saga Frontier will always look bad because of first gen 3D

Saga Frontier 2 will always be timeless in appeal because of beautiful watercolour art

>>378690204
Usually nonlinear, full of optional content, the game's mechanics are consistently set up to encourage you to keep pushing on into harder and harder content instead of grinding on shitty enemies forever, the equipment system isn't just a boring series of upgrades over prior equipment, and games like RS2 and Minstrel Song can get really damn hard.

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>>378687135
Huge fan, warts and all.

>>378688634
Since no one else mentioned, RS2 remake is available on Android/iPhone. Unfortunately it costs a fortune and according to the reviews requires always-on internet while playing.

Too bad, I really wanted to play it and understand what was happening. I can eat the price but my phone signal is sketchiest at the one place I'd have time to sit and play it.

>>378690490
>>378690631
Where do I start?

>>378690817
Minstrel Song, SaGa Frontier 1, or Romancing SaGa 3.

>>378690517
I don't think anyone will argue that, though freedom and game mechanics side they'll argue about.

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Saga games are good

But they shine at the music side

no game can even compete with Romancing Saga's music

>>378690069
>not posting the second phase's music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JVV7mJZtiU

>>378690817
Depends how much you want to be eased into the series. If you want different growth mechanics for the various races while still knowing where to go with traditional JRPG linearity then Final Fantasy Legend II. If you want a classic SNES experience then Romancing SaGa 3. If you want a blend of the races and non-linearity with the best free scenario system in the series with all the characters having a radically different story and end bosses then SaGa Frontier.

>>378691016
Kenji Ito is a boss and I wish he did more music. Though he can get a bit samey, sometimes. Here's some random battle theme from a series I've ever heard of but you can tell immediately that it's Itoken. Wouldn't sound at all out of place in a SaGa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDVUKQax6Ag

>>378691016
The battle music is always baller.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSM0j7fXeTU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k1OsApDSIw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laKVCUc00No

>>378687135
I tried playing the first one but it was really hard to grasp without looking up guides.
Doesn't help that I played the green haired half-magus chick and bosses would attack you if you entered random maps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TMdf_tplDc

>>378687135
Conflicted

FFL1 is a broken mess but fun, FFL2 is better and more refined

RS1 is very inventive amd gives you a lot of options but the entire game is broken so fuck it. I don't get it. Its also extremely slow.

RS3 is better but geez they could at least explain a little more than they do.

I always get lost. I don't even know if they're good. Too unique.

>>378691157
>Final Fantasy Legend II

Is SaGa a spinoff of Final Fantasy or something?

>>378691326
That's really good, is that arrangement from the piano album do you know?

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>YFW

Tried the PS2 version. Kinda reminded me of Etrian Odyssey. Didn't get too far because I switched over to Breath of Fire III instead. Should I pick it up again?

>>378691534
No they just localized them as Final Fantasy games at first. Same with Final Fantasy Adventure being the first Mana game

>>378691531
>I always get lost
That is normal in the non-linear SaGa games. You don't know what to do, or where to get a quest, or even how to do the quest you just got. Everyone experiences it, and nothing is more rewarding than figuring it out. That is among the many reasons to why I love the Romancing SaGa remake, I had to wrest the adventure from the game.
>>378691534
That is what SaGa 2 was named when localized to the USA. They did that with all three Gameboy SaGa games. Along with that they renamed the first Mana game to Final Fantasy Adventure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvvNCIH8MfA

DO YOU EVEN PASSIONATE RHYTHM, SaGa?

>>378691751
Which one?

>>378687135
I think it's an amazing series.
>What does /v/ think
/v/ always tells me to fuck off when I start talking about it so I suspect the overall opinion of /v/ is less positive than what you see in this thread.

>>378690801
>Since no one else mentioned, RS2 remake is available on Android/iPhone. Unfortunately it costs a fortune and according to the reviews requires always-on internet while playing.
I pirated it and had no internet connection when playing.
It's an amazing game and the phone version actually looks decent. Moving around is a bit awkward with the touch screen so you might have a hard time dodging enemies (I felt like I barely fought enough battles despite that so it kinda works out).

Kawazu said it's coming to vita eventually so if you have one then wait.

>>378691751
There are two PS2 games, I am assuming it is Romancing SaGa? I think it is very worth playing, but it might take awhile to get the ball rolling. I actually had to restart my file a few times before I got the game going.

It's probably Minstrel Song, no one played Unlimited Shit unless they want a terrible experience

>>378691783
>>378691814
That is so retarded and confusing.

>>378691682
I cannot hear this music without carnage, plural slash, and bound shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAqB1lOiH6A

>>378691872
Minstrel Song. I felt like some of the mechanics might become a bit convoluted. I feel like JRPG's especially have this certain thing about them where I can't like everything implemented, which can be said about Breath of Fire III also.

>>378691783
Final Fantasy Adventure is subtitled Final Fantasy Gaiden in Japan whereas SaGa->FFL is purely a localization thing.

>>378692071
It's not confusing at all, FF was the most popular JRPG series at the time.

The real confusing part is not localizing any of the SNES games and not marketing any of the post-SNES games except for fucking Minstrel Song.

>>378692180
Err, Unlimited Saga, which tanked the series' reputation permanently. Minstrel Song got no marketing at all because of how bad US failed even though it's one of the best games on the PS2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKU2tJufQE4

Not SaGa but Kenji Ito makes some fantastic music

>>378691894
No Vita. Hadn't considered a hacked version might have eliminated the always-on bullshit. Might have to see about finding an APK and hopefully not send too much of my personal information to the Chinese and/or Russians.

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Who was your favorite protag, /v/?

Frontier is one of my favorite rpgs ever. I just like the look of it, and breaking the game is so fun and easy.

I found 2 to be too convoluted for my liking, but goddamn was it gorgeous. Minstrel Song is fun, but I didn't like the fact it punished you for leveling up.

>>378692387
T260G because MECs are fun as fuck to customize. Asellus would be the best if it wasn't for how shit Facinaturu is and how garbage she is at the start.

>>378691814
Yeah but when i have to deal with spotty translations, bizarre event triggers,and so much other stuff until I can just play it can be overwhelming

>>378692387
Fuse

>>378692387

T260G > Red > Blue > Emelia > Asellus > Lute > Riki

>>378687135
none of /v/ played this and probably 25% MAYBE of /vr/ played this

i own all of them, fucking great, yet also flawed series that will never see the light again

oh yeah...
there is that vita game we aren't getting and i don't think we are ever getting the Romancing SaGa 2 port on vita either

i love SF1 though, ito has such a good way with soundtracks i don't care about how unfinished the game is. nailing a 5 person combo is SO FUCKING SATISFYING with the right moves.

i also have a 19 disc SaGa series box set so i can listen to the music when im doing other shit. fucking can't stress how much the music in the series just makes me dick hard

>>378691534
Final Fantasy 2 was a Final Fantasy game, called FF2 in Japan.

The first SaGa game (Makai Toushi SaGa) was a spinoff based loosely around a better developed battle system from FF2. It also featured a customizable party, and weapon durability. That was localized as Final Fantasy Legend in NA, to keep people interested in the name of the game. (Although the FF2 game with the original system didn't get localized.) The two series were not related, though.

The first three SaGa games were all on Game Boy, and localized as the three Final Fantasy Legend titles. The fourth SaGa game was never localized, and so just kept the name Romancing SaGa (it's Japanese name). There wasn't another SaGa game localized until the PS1, with SaGa Frontier, which kept the SaGa name while localized.

I remember downloading one of the games from this series for my emulator almost 2 decades ago and it was one of the most beautiful games of SNES. I never played it much though.

Is there anything that makes it special over FF?

>>378693064
This was probably my favorite moment in the entire game

>>378687135
Mostly unplayable shit. Squaresoft's B-team attempting to make good RPGs but failing miserably. The games are just not fun.

>>378689696
Frontier 2

yeah sure, lets let Wil fuck up losing the Egg constantly and Gustave getting so damn high in status after being disowned, fighting all that shit just to have the most heart wrenching death in gaming that no one knows about. also, RIP Johan, you were a bro to the end.

>>378689616
No it's good, but it has an absurd shitfuck load of dialogue. There's literally over 1000 quests. It would take a translation team years to get through it all.

Best place to start?

>>378690801
i bought RS2 the day it hit, its the ONLY phone game i've bought since this app store shit started. it was 17.99 and fucking worth it, if anything to get an RS3 in english.

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>>378693309

>>378692995
It's not really anything like FF. Different skill system, FF2's leveling system(but not shit), enemies actually change based on your rank, completely different game structure. It has more in common with an open world WRPG, if anything.

>>378691682
NO FUTURE!!!!!!

>all your humans are dead because you were too cheap to buy purple chalices

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>>378692531
Welcome to Kawazu's Wild Rides

>>378687135
To this day I read that as "Soba Frontier".

>>378692614
FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!

thanks for talking about the best character that got cut due to time shit

By the way, there's a SaGa general on /vr/.
>>>/vr/3838061

>>378692387
Asellus > Red > T260G > Emilia > Lute > Riki

>>378692509
>Minstrel Song is fun, but I didn't like the fact it punished you for leveling up.
SaGa Frontier had battle rank as well, but it wasn't as severe. Honestly I really like Minstrel Song's handling of it. You can tell the creator might not like the idea of grinding.

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still got my FFL2

picked both these up from gamestop back in 2006 for 7.99 a pop.

Last Remnant is pretty cool

>>378693740
also, best battle theme?
totally sets the mood for fighting something legendary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS7GAoEcbyk


i think this is also in FFTR too

>>378692387
Blue was my favorite but he had the shittiest ending.

>>378692995
>Is there anything that makes it special over FF?
Yeah. Radically different growth mechanics, open world that is better than FFVI World of Ruin, learning skills mid battle, and recruiting your own party. On the flip side it doesn't hold your hand. Most people don't fully understand that until they really start playing.

>>378693892
its also an unofficial SaGa too

>>378693970
Everything in Scarlet Grace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX6M6XzaBTs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Vr2ySOOGI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDrePFY9HW0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIJMxFBkhcs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95h-M13leKQ

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>>378693557
>ywn be Fuse and solve mysteries with your IRPO partners.

I know, it hurts me too, anon.

Any of you guys played Genius of Sappheiros?

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>>378693970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAVePrZeGTc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTj4n0L9Uh0

>>378694204
Does it play like Romancing Saga?

>>378694204
Yeah but the sequel was a lot more SaGa like since it had sparking.

>>378693656
SaGa general is just a handful of people who are fluent in Japanese and talk about Imperial nonstop.

>>378687135

don't mind RNG. don't mind grinding.

but grinding for RNG? no thanks

>>378693735

I'm fine with the battle rank determining what enemies I fight and stuff, but locking me out of content because I got into one too many fight while simply exploring is a shitty thing.

>>378694223
>Unlimited Saga
Have to go deeper.
>Fighting that crazy stone guardian in the tombs that is wandering around and this pops up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z10BiGp-ibo
>Jumping from roof top to roof top in a submerged town while piranhas constantly gather at the edge of the houses
>Jumping through the second story window and trying to scavenge for some loot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNh1o2kduS4
And then you get to some sort of cultist castle and the boss music is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldddwbezzi8

>>378694503
That'd be the event rank. Honestly it isn't bad, and gives you a fairly unique play through, especially on your first time. Not only that but it gives you even more of a reason to replay the game.

>>378687135
REMOVE ALL EGGS

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>>378694683

>>378692387
blue>Red

either i end up a magic casting god of death or iJUSTICE IS BURNING

>>378687135
Romancing SaGa 2 is still Square's best game

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>>378694550
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1HSOaKrOys
>MFW :25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElrkGHTMnAs

>>378695005
Saruin and Chaos were some of the most intense JRPG final bosses I've ever fought. I felt like I was barely making it by and just hanging on by a single thread.

>>378690204
Well unlike other JRPGs SaGa is actually an RPG

>>378694408
>Grind

>>378694362
I went there to talk about RS2 after playing it and I didn't get that impression, they were very knowledgeable and helpful.

>>378695163
Unlimited SaGa is definitely something else, despite it killing the series hard I still like it.

Has some comfy tunes too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7clQpPHud9Q

>>378693425
No pain no gain.

>>378692387
T260G>Red>Emelia>Blue>Asellus>Lute>Riki
Fucking love robots.

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>>378690069
I think you mean this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI5WpnZK1l8

>>378694408
Sparking isn't really RNG though

>>378689853
>Square doesn't seem to like localizing SaGa

To be fair, a lot - if not all - of their attempts have had poor results.

I'm glad we got Unlimited SaGa or Minstrel Song, those were fucking good games, but extremely niche, and they sold accordingly.

>>378696153
Isn't it? It's like a 20% chance at best in romasaga2, usually ~10%.

>>378696384
Because RS2 invented it, the process got better as the series progressed.

How do I get into Unlimited Saga guys?

I've tried many times but I just can't.

>>378696542
Press R3 to rest while on the map.

>>378696364
Glad Unlimited Saga was even a thing, no matter what peoples opinion of it was. With a lot of people worried about their series potentially getting casualized you have Kawazu doing what ever the fuck he wants and in fact goes to the far extreme just because he can.

How's the RS3 retranslation coming along, also is there any news on the RS2 vita version?

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Has anyone tried this?

>>378696384
That's not a huge deal when you aren't dependent on any kind of specific sparking to get ahead and you're also commanding a party so SOMEONE'S going to spark something.

Plus you've got spells to fall back on and you can't fail to research them.

>>378696876
It's distressingly mediocre, but there's a spiritual sequel coming soon which looks to be loads better.

>>378696542
My experience with Unlimited Saga can be summed up with one thing I did in that game. I opened a room and there was a bunch of treasure chests within it so I decided to go over and try to open one of the chests.

It shot needles at me, it poisoned me, it exploded, then it turned into a mimic. When I killed the mimic and got out of battle a spike ceiling immediately fell down.

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>>378696834
https://twitter.com/saga25kawazu?lang=en

>>378696939
lol

>>378696931
How's the combat?

>>378696997
I really can't understand why anybody cares about a localized Vita version. They originally said they weren't going to localize it, and then like 4-5 guys on Twitter and Facebook kept harping on about it and I guess now they're doing it? Honestly, those resources would be far better spent on anything else.

>>378696939
Perfect.

I played Frontier and really liked it. Where do I go from here?

>>378697048
It's not SaGa, but clearly inspired by it.

I played the first one, The Final Fantasy legend or Saga or whayeve you want to call it.

It was absolute trash.
I guess it explains why 95% of mentions of the series on /v/ are of Romancing Saga or anything after, but that first game left such a crappy taste I don't know if I should bother.

>>378697190
Frontier II

>>378696758

Yeah, huge fan of the guy. Doesn't get the recognition he deserves, oversea.

>>378696542

Might not be a thing for you. But if it's not the very abstraction itself getting in the way of your enjoyment, it's one of those rare games where I'd say give a guide about at least the base mechanic a look - could get you into the saddle, and from there you could work things on your own.

To me, having to work back the systems is integral part of the fun, but I can see how this one could prove a mouthful at the start.

It's got lots of ideas I like, but ultimately I'm too casual and just can't get a grasp on many of the systems when I play it.

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>>378697228
You are correct that the first one was bad, but the sequel is one of the best portable RPGs of all time. The reason everyone talks about the series from Romancing SaGa and up is because that's where the fundamental design of the series took a major turn into what it is now. The first three games are nothing like the rest of the series, so you should still try them.

>>378697379
Just read a guide about the mechanics and then figure the rest out while you're playing

>>378697190
Romancing SaGa 3 and Romancing SaGa Minstrel Song are both good to deviate to. They just lack the races that develop different ways and that all the characters in those games end up at the same end point.

>>378696939

Glorious.

How could one not love such a game?

(Seriously though, it looks unfair, but it' not.)

>>378697228
First one is good, just rough and a lot of the mechanics were polished in the sequel.

What other game lets you nuke God?

>>378697656
>nuke
>not chainsaw

>>378697919
There's that as well, but it is something else to actually get a nuke in a RPG. I think I used it on WarMech in FFL1 and I ALWAYS nuked Odin in FFL2.

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>>378687135
Patrician tier RPG series, but not for everyone.
Scarlet Grace is pretty damn good too.
>>378696939
Sounds about right.
Unlimited is more or less /tg/ material so you don't just go into it expecting a traditional JRPG.

>>378698173
Unlimited SaGa is honestly the peak of JRPG ludo.

I'm wondering how SaGa games are best experienced. Would you recommend fighting all the enemies that cross your path or (attempting to) dodge them all? Would you recommend starting the series completely blind or should a player have an idea what to expect from the series? Should a player do their first playthrough of each game with no information about the game or is it more enjoyable if they have access to spark tables and whatnot?

>>378696876
I liked it quite a bit, but it has absolutely zero story. Only pick it up if you like exploring areas and playing around with the battle system, because that is all you will be doing.

>>378697117
I'd prefer a localized vita version but the android version is acceptable.

I'd rather them localize RS3 for the vita than for phones.

>>378698301
Go in blind except for maybe spark tables, fight whatever is too annoying to avoid but don't fight everything. If you see something that looks vaguely interesting to explore, go for it, finding awesome shit and getting rewarded for it while you were looking for something completely unrelated is the best part of any SaGa game.

saga frontier was pretty interesting, but it was kind of a mess, really sad the game didnt expand on the story of gustav, love the idea of a kid unable to use magic in a magic centered world and have to rely on motherfucking steel weapons to fight

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>>378698285
Despite a few design flaws, like Tablets requiring EXP and Acupuncture being way too strong, I agree, it's pretty much some of the best you can get, but all SaGa games are amazing if you can get into them.
>>378698301
>I'm wondering how SaGa games are best experienced
Play them blind, then wonder what the fuck is going on for around 200 hours until a lightbulb appears over your head and you reach RPG nirvana.
>Would you recommend fighting all the enemies that cross your path or (attempting to) dodge them all?
Depends on the game, BR can be the end of you if you keep on fighting mindlessly in some games, other games don't have BR so you can fight as much as you like, honestly, they're best enjoyed blind, SaGa's a series that requires tons of dedication to learn, using guides spoils the experience and teach you bad habits, curiosity and willingness to think outside the box is the key to understand and enjoy the series.
There's nothing like going out of your way and keep finding new stuff, new routes, new exploits and so on, SaGa's all about experimenting, they're huge sandboxes much like Dorf Fortress.

>>378694048
its weird

his ending was kinda working in that he would be fighting for all eternity, hence it just ending like that after you beat the boss

>>378694195
yeah, all 4 of them!

man IRPO was super understaffed
was there a reason that a MULTIREIGON police force was lacking staff?

>>378687135
Frontier is probably one of my favorite JRPGs ever. I loved the spark system, but wish the other games weren't quite so obtuse.

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>>378698301
Go in blind, learn from mistakes. At the very least look online for the instruction booklets to get a basic overview of some of the mechanics.

>>378699285
>yeah, all 4 of them!
IRPO has six members, Fuse, Doll, Ren, Silence, Rabbit and Cotton, only Ren isn't playable because of Emilia's plot.

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>>378687135
Should I play the original Romancing Saga on SNES or the PS2 remake?

>>378697117

I wouldn't mind a localized PC version, but that would mean Steam, and fuck Steam.

I wonder how much The Last Remnant should be considered in relation to SaGa... somethnig of a Giaden game in a way, I guess.

>>378697656

As much as I'm fond of the game, yeah, it *was* rough. Hard to play for most people nowadays, I'd say.
Replayed it at the end of last year, and I was surprised how well some segments still worked for me - I know a lot of people hate it, but the whole Suzaku floor was a favorite of mine, and I still really enjoyed it after all these years.

>>378698301

The only major advice is *don't grind*. Seriously. Don't. Enemies rise in power along with you. You don't want them to get too strong while you're not far enough to have proper gear and skill.

There's a balancing act of leveling while acquiring the necessary skills, gear, characters, and both character and *player* experience that represents the first real threshold of the game.

After that, it's pretty much up to you how you play those.

Several of those games are meant to be replayed - even if only by changing main character, there's cyclical nature to it, and the more you play the better you get the more you see. Sometimes competently different stuff because you went at it a different way.

>>378699632
PS2 remake. The SNES version will make you go insane with the encounter rate, as in the screen flooded with monsters.

>>378699682
>Suzaku floor was a favorite of mine
That is one of the most memorable parts of the game. You enter a world and everything is destroyed and suddenly a GIANT FLAMING BIRD IS CHASING YOU. You have to go through under ground tunnels and speed around on a hover bike trying to destroy a shield generator. That is what I like about FFL1, 2, and SaGa Frontier, all the worlds were different from one another.

>>378699123
>like Tablets requiring EXP
What the fuck were they thinking?

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>>378699632
>Should I play the original Romancing Saga on SNES
SNES version is far too clunky, it's good for historical purposes but Minstrel Song is the way to go, SaGa remakes are always to way to go because Kawazu oversees them personally, so he always fixes what was wrong with the originals and add some stuff they could cram in back in the days.
>>378699682
>I wonder how much The Last Remnant should be considered in relation to SaGa
It's a SaGa game, they just used a different name because Wada wouldn't have given the greenlight, Scarlet Grace has many TLR cameos with weapons and a few mechanics, so it's considered part of the series.

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>>378699692
>>378700059
Ok, thanks anontachi

Is Gray a good character to start with in Minstrel Song? What about Claudia?

>>378700445
Gray is extremely shitty for a new player, his main quest is nearly impossible to finish for a new player and his stat growths are literally average for each stat. Claudia and Barbara are the two best starters and Claudia is significantly stronger in most ways.

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>>378700290
Enjoy the game anon, it's pretty amazing.
Careful with Galahad tho.
>>378700445
>Is Gray a good character to start with in Minstrel Song?
No, he's a great character stat wise but his quest can be infuriating if you don't know where to get materials for forging the Falcata, you can still skip it but that wouldn't make much sense considering it's his personal quest.
>What about Claudia?
Much better, her own quest is much simpler than Grey's.

>>378700445
I'd suggest Gray over Claudia since he doesn't have two of his party slots taken at the start of the game so there is more potential in party building early on.

Personally I started with Albert.

>>378688373
>>378693152

>waaah how dare an rpg force you to explore it's mechanics

>>378687135
I started playing one of them way back in the day. I think that one. I just flat out could not understand what type of game it was trying to be and stopped playing after like 30 minutes.

If the US FFL games are SaGa games then I played all of those. They were pretty good for handheld JRPGs.

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>>378700921
>responding to FF babies

What's the best character to start with in SF? Is it necessary to exploit the money glitch?

After all those years, I think my favorite detail in one those games is being able to change into Alkaizer when everyone else in your team is blind in SaGa Frontier.

There's an attention to details, system-wise, in those games that always forced my admiration.

>>378701276
Blue is an interesting one since it allows you to explore the worlds but gives you a very defined goal with learning all the magic you can. You will less likely feel lost or have random bosses showing up at inopportune times.

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>>378701035
You might enjoy SaGa Frontier since it's a love letter to the original trilogy.
>>378701276
Either Asellus, Emilia or Red.
T260G quest can be trivialized but you really need to know your shit, Blue's quest is focused on magic and you need some time to learn magic, Riki/Coon's quest is the toughest in the game and is full of monsters, which are the most complicated race to use and Lute's a trap for beginners.

>>378701276
Red can be fun, especially if you like a little tokusatsu flair to your plot. T260G is great, too. Mostly I think you just want to avoid the really unfinished ones - Lute is by far the worst.

Can't recall money ever being a problem. You can only carry 10,000 max anyway, I believe.

>>378689696
easily best music at least.

>>378701276
Red is linear for the first half so that can be a good and fun way to ease yourself into the mechanics. It's also based of a sentai anime which is cool

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What other games besides the SaGa series have a 5 person battle system?

>>378702006
Suikoden, Etrian Odyssey, early SMT

>>378702006
Etrian Odyssey

>>378701276
Money is definitely not an issue unless you want to deck your guys out in all Power Suits or whatever. You get more than enough gold from selling treasure you don't want and trading gold legitimately.

>>378702006
There is Suikoden which has six characters in the party. Too bad all the mechanics are bare bones.

>>378702085
Where do I start with Suikoden, always heard good things about II.

>>378702006
Final Fantasy IV. Pretty much every dungeon crawler has a 6 character party or larger.

>>378702171
Either 2 or 3

Both great games.

>>378702171
From the beginning, your save carries over to 2

>>378687135
>What does /v/ think of the SaGa series?

Some of the games are tragically underrated, others have "different for the sake of being different" mechanics that just boggle things down rather than actually making the games more intriguing or enjoyable. The SaGa Frontier games are really unfinished and poorly polished in many areas. Although playable, I got tired of persistent and inexplicable points of no return popping up in SF2.

It's too bad about the series' fanbase. I've never seen a SaGa thread that didn't go full-blown autism.

>>378701926
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywFW3gZ6dw4

>>378702439
You know /vr/ has a 24/7 general concerning SaGa right?

>>378702439
>It's too bad about the series' fanbase. I've never seen a SaGa thread that didn't go full-blown autism.
The SaGa fanbase is great. I just starting playing SaGa Frontier and unlike other fanbases they're actually helpful and nice too

>>378702768
>unlike other fanbases they're actually helpful and nice too
It's because the games are so niche, so people don't shitpost and go fishing for you (You)s.

>>378702489
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxfSpii5pmg

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>get to the final boss of Romancing Saga SNES
>die
>recently lost files so I can't even try again if I wanted to

saga is suffering

>>378693656

Which is consistently awful, and should be on /vg/ instead of cluttering /vr/'s already un-navigable catalog of bad generals.

>>378702439
>others have "different for the sake of being different" mechanics
Is there any other reason you need in order to be different?
>I've never seen a SaGa thread that didn't go full-blown autism
Never mind, I think I know who you are.
>>378703117
That's pretty bad, I wouldn't have the courage to restart from scratch in the SNES version.

>>378703117
Rats, that is tough.

>>378702751
Gotta love that 80s hair-band Glam look that Tomomi Kobayashi's character designs have.

Is there a better title theme?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qbuEzMgS18

>>378703497
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxYrNVc_0qA

>>378703497
>>378703551
Those two both suck compared to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EhMn069U6s

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>Don't know moon so I can't play Scarlet Grace
>The chances of Square even localizing something with that much text when the games already don't sell is basically zero
It hurts.

>>378703836
Maybe at e3 haha
;_:

>>378691315
Holy shit, that second minstrel song. I had heard this YEARS ago in some sort of parody video, possibly video game related, and now I really want to remember

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>>378703365
She's an old fujo stuck in the 80's, no wonder Fuse turned out to be Steward Copeland.
She also like Jidai Geki stuff though, wish I could find her Harry Potter illustration with Snape being a handsome motherfucker.
>>378703497
I prefer Unlimited's theme when it comes to title themes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf85wIiDL04
>>378703836
Why haven't you learned moon, Tomato?

How is Scarlet Grace?

>>378704035
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA3PdgX_E8Y
I am assuming this.

>>378702171
Start with Suikoden I it's really underrated and will get you introduced to the setting

>>378704153
lol, she does look like a fujo now that you mention it. Nonetheless I still dig the art style. At the time Square's other main alternative was Amano and - aplogies to any fans - I find his work to be unfinished, same-faced, overly sketchy garbage.

Ultimately nether really translated into sprite-form so maybe it didn't matter much in the end.

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>>378704162
Great.
Imagine a Romancing game mixed with SaGa 1, Frontier, Unlimited and a touch of The Last Remnant, my only qualm is that magic returned to the super simple GB SaGa roots, so no crazy stuff like Overdrive.
So far, it's the SaGa with the biggest cast (77 recruitable characters), best event variations, best main story and possibly the best balance in combat.
There's an insane amount of references and cameos from previous games, and many games by Kawazu really, so you need to do your homeworks if you want to catch all of them.
The battle system is completely different from the other games while still keeping key mechanics like sparking, but it really picks a lot of different elements from all the games and adds them to a completely original main system.

Shame it didn't get a bigger budget and some more time, some things are a bit rushed in the sense that some monsters are reused frequently when it's clear they meant to have some unique models in place of certain generic ones, and some animations needed polish, but it's an amazing game despite all of this, you can easily sink in 500 hours and not be done, like I did.
>>378704772
>lol, she does look like a fujo now that you mention it
Dude, she does tons of BL/Yaoi stuff since decades, she's basically the lost CLAMP member.

>>378705078
First you make me laugh about Kobayashi, then simultaneously make me sad that there's never going to be an English release of Scarlet Grace. Now I'm not sure what to feel.

Since you seem up on these, did you ever play Imperial SaGa? I know it's just a browser game but there's next to zero English info about it.

Can't someone tweet to Kawaza just to make sure if Scarlet Grace has even the slightest chance to make it here?

There's no other Vita game like it

>>378705497
dude on the right looks weird

>>378705403
I think they've been pestered enough on the RS2 Vita version.

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>>378705380
>did you ever play Imperial SaGa?
Aye, stopped around November though because I couldn't find the time to keep up with the grind.
It's alright for a browser game, though the better part is of course the series' crossover in terms of plot and shenanigans, like when Virgil got bored and summoned Claudia, Rocbouquet, Ellen, Emilia and Ginny to dance for him, or when Fuse and Roufas went to the moon to destroy Mecgod, or when Gustave and Gerald became best friends, there's tons of fun moments if you played the games, some feelerinos too, like when you see Rich being alive and living happily with Diana and Ginny.
One nice thing is that characters have special victory quotes if they fight with other characters they're related to, like Ginny with the Knights' family members, Gerald with Viktor or Leon and so on, you can also play as the Seven Heroes, Metal Black and other characters that aren't playable in their games, like the Professor from Romancing SaGa 3 or Monica from Minstrel Song, it's pretty cool, it also got a Monster Hunter crossover lately with all the SaGa Frontier MCs having MH equipment, like Asellus wearing the Rathian set with the Rathian Gunlance or Red having the Rathalos set with the Rathalos GS, Emilia naturally got the Kirin set too.
>>378705403
The man confirmed both remasters for the west at launch, if he didn't say anything about Scarlet I doubt it will get a localization.

>>378706572
Is SaGa your favorite JRPG series?

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>>378706761
One of those, yeah.
Well, usually people who happen to get into SaGa fall madly in love with it, I was one of them.

There are other series which I really like though, Metal Max is one of those, it's possibly my favorite one together with SaGa since they share a very similar design philosophy.
I also really like Growlanser, Der Langrisser and some other old JRPGs series like Uncharted Waters, Zill O'll and some more, but I'd say that SaGa and Metal Max are my top JRPG series overall.

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>>378704478
Yep, that's it. Probably burred in a sea of moon rune favorites lists Thanks

>>378707504
Sell me on Metal Max. I love Growlanser, Langrisser, and like SaGa from what I've played so far.

>>378709131
It's a mostly nonlinear post-apocalyptic JRPG series about customizing tanks and bounty hunting. If that doesn't get you right away, it's probably not for you.

>>378689910
no that'd be the first frontier. But neither frontier game is even finished

>>378710948
What do you mean by "not even finished"? There are a ton of games that could fall under that. Sonic 2 never had the Hidden Palace Zone, Diablo 1 had cut items, spells, and classes. Where is the line drawn that a game is unfinished or not?

>>378699123
what game are you posting screenshots of. I don't recognize that one.

>>378711602
It's Scarlet Grace.

>>378711602
Scarlet Grace, the new game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTZ7owJSBig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpWfZQNks7s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wjRPxsyt3g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CcADSL6zYk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY2zIkVBW9w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYpatr0dW1o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9oJ1WCny1Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VzPdgKr02o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPhI4sbHnh4

Those ROM hackers did one hell of a job

>>378711206
the fact that there's no ending or that it crashes in spots and pretends that's the end maybe?

>>378712915
So you mean Blue's quest? His ending gives off a vibe that he is trapped there fighting the Devil for eternity.

I've never had the game crash, but games crashing or having glitches is just a thing across most if not all games. There will always be something unforeseen.

>>378689325
Are you me?
Romancing SaGa Minstrel Song has ruined jrpgs for because every jrpg Ive played since has never been as good.

>>378713806
t. hasn't played Nocturne or Xenogears

>>378713716
whoa, i said the same thing before about Blue

>>378712825
Speaking of RS3

I always wonder so many hacks of RS3 exists.

>>378693157
When I played that game I was convinced that you could survive as Johan if you killed all the monsters and used items to keep your LP gauge high since the poison was killing you.
Turned out I just didn't want to admit that it was a no win for Johan.
Shame Sargon went insane and joined the fake Gustav.

>>378713891

Having replayed it in January... well, as much as I love Xenogears, it's actually pretty poor from a gameplay standpoint. It's one of those games that lives entirely on its world and narrative.

Doesn't make it bad, but it's a completely different beast rom the SaGa games.

SMT is...well I find it hard to love the games myself, though I can see why people would. I find them a lot less interesting than the SaGa games though... especially the later ones, when they start doing cool stuff with the tying of game systems and narrative segments.

>>378700445
Gray is arguably the worst choice for a new player

I don't know, but where can I nab a copy of salsa frontier? cover makes it look pretty fun

>>378713891
Nocturne is good, but it isn't on the level of Romancing SaGa. It is much more linear, the world only progresses when you progress, though the battle system is good with press turn I find the battle point mechanics in Romancing SaGa superior since it isn't constrained to the old conserving a mana bar to pull out your best spells on a boss, and character customization is much more natural, especially trying to get certain skills on fused demons so you are constantly re-rolling skills you want to pass down. Sparking skills is just too addicting, every battle you can potentially gain a new skill, and sparking a high tier skill in a tough mini boss or boss fight to change the tide of battle always feels great. In Nocturne you are easily lead from one place to another while in Romancing SaGa you have to take that adventure from the game, you have to be proactive because the game isn't guiding you. None-the-less there are few mechanics in Nocturne to stop grinding which can still net benefits such as higher level demon fusions to going over the next threshold to gain better skills from a light fire attack to a medium fire attack and so on.

Xenogears would be great as a VN, it fails to be interesting as a game though. With cut scenes, exposition, locking you into town forcing the player to talk to all the NPC's, and text dumps, there is very little reason to say Xenogears is a good "game". SaGa tends to fall on the opposite spectrum when it comes to delivering story with the main complaints of its delivery in being very sparse. I want to explore, I want to fight bosses, I want to tinker with my characters. I want to play my game.

>>378714507
Usually in the ethnic foods aisle near the tortillas.

>>378687135
Only played this one. My brother said 2 was a massive disappointment compared to Saga Frontier. Why don't more RPG's have multiple character stories or this combat system?

>>378714701
I thought Frontier II had a good story, albeit at the cost of the non linearity that the series is known for.

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>>378687135
I love the Saga Frontier games.
In fact, I just recently bought copies of them because the cocks at square wont release them on the psn outside of japan.

They're both in great condition with the jewel case art and manuals included, it was worth spending the few extra bucks on each one otherwise I would have just gotten ratty scratched up cds.

It's kind of funny that I liked the games when I first played them, because I was a newbie to jrpgs back then but despite SF1 extreme open endedness and lack of explanation on stats or skills, the gamer still entranced me and dug its hooks into me.

>>378714789
>My brother said 2 was a massive disappointment compared to Saga Frontier.
Shit taste, Frontier II is GOAT.
>Why don't more RPG's have multiple character stories or this combat system?
Alliance Alive is the successor to Legend of Legacy which was a successor to SaGa.

>>378714868
>It's kind of funny that I liked the games when I first played them, because I was a newbie to jrpgs back then
Honestly it is probably best to go into the series with an open mind rather than having certain expectations on how RPG's should behave mechanically.

The first three games on the Gameboy were my first three RPG's. So that molded my taste into something crazy.

>>378715178
I might try LoL someday since I just recently picked up a 2DS. Maybe see if there is a demo since I heard there was one. I don't have high hopes for it though since Kawazu isn't behind it.

>>378715178
LoL was a pretty shitty spiritual sequel to SaGa though

>>378716783
Yeah but it was still a solid 7/10 and AA looks to be much better.

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>>378687135
>SaGa Frontier
>tfw trying to make heads or tails of this shit when I was a kid

>>378716936
Plus we've got Project Octopath coming.

>>378717574
I know very little about it outside of the people that did Bravely Default are working on it.

>>378687135
Only played 1 and 2 but enjoyed them both. The first one is really open ended tho and doesn't tell you much of anything. Imagine players who pick Lute for their first time they'll have no idea what the fuck they should be doing.

One of my favorite RPG series. They're kind of an acquired taste, but I love the hardcore feel to them after I got used to the difficulty. The music is also usually great.

>>378718764
RS2 is really the only balls to the wall game in the series. SF2, Minstrel Song, and kind of RS3 have some pretty hard optional fights but none of them really require you to be on top of your game in a normal playthrough.

>>378719083
>RS2 is really the only balls to the wall game in the series.
That's Unlimited though.

>>378719083
I started with RS2 and didn't feel like it was balls to the wall at all. Sure I died a few times, but I could always make a party capable of overcoming whatever had just killed me (except vs noel, I just did some other stuff then came back to him later). And I managed to complete the game despite missing some stuff.