FFXIV Stormblood

Are you required by contract to say stormblood in the title? Just curious. One would think ffxiv and a picture of Yoshi would be more than enough but it's like all the xiv threads have the same default title.

Kinda suspicious.

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>>378682184
FFXIV and 4chan are doing a collab it's okay

>>378682809
>weeb city butting in the Ala Mhigo expansion
>weeb jobs will dominate
>Ala Mhigo job will suck
I literally can't log in anymore even though we're still in HW

>>378683075
Only monk, red will be goood.

>>378680673
>balance
You're always gunning for this carD, all royal road buffs are good for this but expanded balance should only be used in 8 mans, infact expanded in general is only for 8 mans. Use on dps checks or when fighting trash

>Bole
Not a necessary card but very helpful. All royal road cards are good on this so follow the same jurisdiction as balance. Use on tank busters, large pulls, party-wide heavy damage, etc. if using on tank, its a good idea to buff your heal potency and apply a boosted regen on tank, so you can time dilate both bole and the regen.

>spear
Useless card that is really only beneficial to yourself. Unless its the beginning of the fight or you are coordinating via voice chat, burn this card or use it on yourself to reduce Your own Cds. Never expand this card, only enhance or extend.

>spire
THE most useless card, you can't rely on getting it when the meele dps actually need it. Burn it for expanded, generally completely useless on 4mans. Never expand this card, only enhance or extend.

>ewer
Useful in 8mans for getting expanded as well, but also a decent card to draw at any time since it buffers mp, use on yoursef or other healer, bard and pld is another solid option. Never expand this card, only enhance or extend.

>arrow
The ultimate tp killer and completely useless unless you are extending/enhancing it and using it on either a nin/mnk or a PoM WHM or anything that uses cast timer reduction. Pretty useless when expanded but its a better alternative than spire/spear/ewer so expand it if you got no other choice.

Generally gun for expand on 8mans and avoid expand on 4mans. Always gun for balance.

When did Heavensward go up for preloading? They better let us have that shit loaded and ready to go when the servers open on the 16th

Preorder Stormblood now before they run out of early access codes. Amazon has no more

doh and dol sets
http://imgur.com/r/ffxiv/J5PrX

>fucking up WHM
>Fucking up my ping
It's like SE really wants me to stop playing.

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I'm just going to believe the changes won't be that bad.

>>378683171
A couple hours after the servers went down I believe.

>>378683171
Like Heavensward the game went down for 24 hours before launch and you had a full day to patch your game.

>MNK potency nerf on almost all skills
>Steel Peak stun removed
>No more INT Down on Dragon Kick
>Touch of Death removed
>B4B removed and replaced with massive GCD slowdown skill
>Torndado Kick now useless since I can Riddle of Earth to keep stacks during boss jumps
>DRG gets potency buffs on almost all skills

I feel sick

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>>378681946

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>was expecting Ewer & Spire to get rolled into one card and get a new card instead
>AST gets overbuffed in every other facet of their job instead
Whelp, hail to our new double-AST raid meta.

>that couple of weeks when nin looked like it would be bad
i should have known better

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Give to me straight, is PLD gonna make it?

Inb4 wars try to turn plds and drks against each other in this thread
Day of the shed is coming

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>Bio II
>Miasma
>Bio
>Swiftcast
>Shadowflare
>Bane
>Miasma II
>Blizzard II

Samurai is amazing. It's the perfect DPS. A job that's all about doing raw potency.

Giving both Astrologian sects a heal potency bonus is boring and stupid

Just when has White Mage ever been about motherfucking lilies, they're not even fucking white.

>>378683680
is put on par with three other tank now. Tank is now made for tanking, unlike right now when WAR is still at ttop.

>>378683393
MNK only got 2 stuns on wind tackle and a stun that goes through immunity on One Ilm

I know so shit

>>378683770
>boring and stupid
Stormblood in 3 words.

>>378683812
>since when has the druid job ever been about flowers
Do you even play this game?

>>378683207
>run out of early access codes
Why is this even a thing?

Is Guildwork still broken?

>>378683860
>>378683770
time to unsub because Im gunna unsub right now too

Ok, seriously guys. Is SMN really that bad off? I mean besides the aoe nerf which doesn't matter that much in raids anyway?

I've been in a cave. What happened to WHM?

>>378683930
>not samurai
it's shit, famalam

>>378683882
Jews

>>378683931
just go to reddit, 4chan is the worst place to ask for a clear explanation

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>Doom Spike aoe combo set
>all jumps getting potency increases
>able to use Fang and Claw/Wheeling Thrust back to back
>320 potency Geirskogul
Was there ever a better time to be a Dragoon than now?

I wouldn't mind maining SAM but I feel like everyone and their mother is going to be a SAM. Queues are going to be unreal.

>DRG still king of all around usefulness
>MCH still king of buffs
>BRD still king of taking advantage of DRG, MCH
>AST still king of healing
>NIN still king of one trick pony
>SAM new king of damage
>Everyone else cuckshed

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>still not shared armor
>still a must have in raids
DRG made it once again.

Overall, WHM changes are pretty terrible. Yeah, they got some neat toys. However, much of their new kit is built around 20% proc rates from casting Cure and Cure II. I'd like to iterate that good WHMs do not like to use Cure and Cure II. It is the last line of defense for single-target healing, when all other options (Regens, Embraces, oGCDs) aren't quite enough. The new system only rewards Cure spamming, which is generally suboptimal play.
Furthermore, WHM still brings no DPS utility to the table. Meanwhile, the other healers get boatloads of new utility options.

>>378683930
>nerf to Fester
>nerf to Ruin3
>Ruin4 is a 15% proc
>Shadow Flare no longer has 100% uptime

Shit's looking grim fampai

>MNK does high DPS but has no """""""""""utility"""""""""
>MNKs complain they can't get into a raid
>MNK gets more """"""""""""utility""""""""""""
>MNK loses DPS
>SAM gets to be high DPS with no utility
>no one seems to mind

The problem wasn't utility. The problem was people sucked at MNK. When the SAM bubble bursts, it will be the same story: the good SAMs will get along fine while the bads will complain on the OF.

>mfw WAR learning Release Inner Beast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aVP0b31TdU

>>378683607
Did PS3 support cause this?

>>378684107
sonic combo was kind of pointless to add
i like it more than the old aoe rotation though, that's for sure

If I were to run the main scenario quests and absolutely nothing else, would it be enough experience to get me to or near 50?

>>378684117
PLAY
WITH
FRIENDS

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Fuck i need some upgrades

>>378684227
>cont'd
Cooldown reduction is already marginally useful when some of these abilities are aligned with boss attacks anyway and not necessarily blown on cooldown. 20% procs on two spells that good WHMs actively try to minimize casting. The fact that you can't control what does or doesn't consume your lilies. Overall, this new mechanic is such a dumpster fire.

>>378684029
No, I prefer my news to be hyperbolic and filled with vitriol. I don't know any other way

>>378683680
>Is PLD gonna make it
Did you even read any of the changes.
Not only are they gonna make it, they're gonna be the best.
>They get a better x5 Fell Cleave than Warriors
>Tankier with more party synergy
>Higher potency buffs across the board
>Their rotation is 50% magic fell cleaves, 50% pure dps combo that holds aggro.

>>378684302
Yes.

>>378684302
not even close.

>>378684369
>>378684353
Thank you.

>>378683931
>RNG heals
>lost even more of their unique buffs such as Stoneskin and Shroud
>their new spells are literally giving those buffs back
>still no utility

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>>378684303
>FRIENDS

>>378684238
I still can't wrap myself around fester being same potency as painflare, must be a typo. It's either still 300 or it's worded in a stupid way saying 200 each for 400 total.

That or they expect us to spam pain fester ed every time ? That sounds retarded though.

>>378683321
Did Yoshi say anything about changes to DoL/H?

>>378683680
All the 3 tanks are out of the cuckshed, just pick your flavor and be happy about it.
Some people trying to throw either DRK and WAR in the cuckshed but they are trying to have their last moments with the shitposting. Time to move to the DPS and Healing fields, lots of shitposting to be harvested from there.

>>378684484
Nope.

I want to see how much shit actually lasts until the first main patch and how much will be hotfixed immediately or changed before launch.

Like ASTs literally having a better shield than SCH

>>378684029
Having looked at both, they're equally as retarded when it comes to clear ideas about the WHM changes.

>>378683931
tl;dr they're okay

>>378683930
It all depends how math works out but it doesn't look good on paper. 1 less dot, Fester lost 100 potency, Contagion is just worse? Foe's Requiem, Spur gone and no Raging Strikes.

Ruin IV, Devotion, Demi Bahamut, more Enkindles could make up for damage lost but who knows without seeing some numbers. It definitely lost AoE but every class did to an extent.

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>When under the effect of Riddle of Fire, Tornado kick only removes one Greased Lightning stack
Is monk saved?

>All WHM GCD spells now give varying amounts of "Bloom". More powerful/expensive spells give more bloom. E.g. Cure gives 10 Bloom, Cure II gives 20, etc. Attack spells would be included but give less bloom than healing spells.
>At 100 Bloom, they get a Lily, and the bloom gauge is reset. Lillies stack up to 3.
>Additionally, Cure, Cure II, Cure II, Medica and Medica II have a 5% chance to instantly grant a Lily when cast.
>Each Lily reduces the recast time of the WHM's GCD spells by 5%.
>A new ability on a short cooldown. When activated, it consumes all their lillies and reduces the cooldown of their next Assize, Asylum or Tetragrammaton by 25% for each Lily.
>Divine Benison - Consumes all Lillies to apply a shield to the target and all allies within a 20y radius of them which absorbs damage equal to 6% of each target's health for 1 Lily, 12% for 2 Lillies, and 20% for 3 Lillies.
>Plenary Indulgence - Consumes all Lillies to apply a buff to all allies within 30y of the WHM (including the WHM) which reduces their GCD and auto-attack delay by 5% per Lily. Lasts 20s.
There, fixed.

>>378683151
you can also give people who died recently THE BOLE OF SHAME so they dont die again

>>378683321
>That Bravely Second Cul outfit
Oh boy. It begins.

What job has your favorite gimmick?

>>378684520
Fuck that means it will be the same as HW where we'll be blocked by specialist crap and once again will have to level all crafting and gathering to make shit.

>>378683931
Your core mechanic now is a shittier version of The Spear. have fun.

>>378684239
The difference is SAM potency looks completely retarded and is much more than MNK ever had. MNK was really high damage for a long time but it wasn't so high that MNKs wouldn't just care. SAM looks like it doesn't need to fucking care

>>378683338

>Yfw finding out she's a pgl instructor in 2.0

It's the little things

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>>378683651
>tfw you dont have to change your main job

>>378683930
they're fine. playing summoner also grants a license to bitch. everyone just ignores them.

>>378684265
No. Toaster support + rushing to make a new MMO in two years did, and now they're maintaining the status quo.

>>378683321
fucking male navel exposing set for fisherman

Fuck this gay shit

>>378683607

I'd be okay with taking a nerf or two if they'd make the card, the core of the job, a little more interesting

There's essentially only two cards; Balance and Fuck You

>>378683607
Doubling on jobs slows the limit break gauge. Meta will be SCH/AST, but AST does seem to have taken SCH's king spot.

>>378684265
Left or right?

>>378684803
Hello, Muhammad.

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>>378684891
>male

Fucking degenerate faggot.

Is RDM's cure going to be useful or is it literally a 400 potency cure that scales with MND like an idiot would make

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>>378684715
>SAM looks like it doesn't need to fucking care
They were the best in FFXI and they're the best in XIV. No exceptions. Anyone that played XI knew Samurai was going to shit on every other job in this game, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

>>378684835
>There's essentially only two cards; Balance and Fuck You
The fuck you card got a lot more appealing too

>>378684968
>Playing as a girl
Just pay for the surgery already, freak

The real problem with WHM isn't that it's bad in itself, it's just that SCH and AST have insane utility, they're not healers, they're support machines. There is no way you're going to do progression raid without Balance and that new SCH 20% increase crit chance, it's way too strong for a pure healer to ever compete.

>>378684994
Their cure scales with INT and gives haste to their res.

>>378684184
Not sharing armor is a bad thiiiing.

>>378683321
BSM > WVR > CUL > CRP >>> The rest

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Can anyone here give me some AST tips mainly concerning the primary healing spells. I think I got the card stuff down pretty good.

>>378684994
Reportedly it's healing for about 20-25% of level 70 HP pools. You won't be main healing anything but alot more saving ass potential then BLM or SMN Physick's ever had.

>>378684968
>EXPOSED FLESH IS A SLAP TO THE FACE OF ALLAH, STONE THE INFIDEL
Do caves in the Arabian dessert actually have internet?

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FFXIV is literally killing WoW

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>>378685052
Bet you stroke watching your male Roe faggot, day of the rope is coming for you.

>>378685054
This. WHM can get the job done, it's just that it comes with the opportunity cost of not having an AST or a SCH. It doesn't help that even with these silly flower procs WHM is still the most boring healer of the three. Even its position as some kind of weird dungeon speedrun king is only there because of a kneejerk ACN nerf

>>378683338
although 1.0 was a shitfest it would be so cool to have unique animations again and not have every other npc doing the same exact thing

BRD or MCH for utility?

>>378685145
>wanting males to look gay

That's not christian faggot

>>378685178
WoW is killing WoW.
>HEY GO DO THREE GARRISON MISSIONS FOR THIS RIVETING WEEKS EDITION OF NO STORY BECAUSE WERE TRYING TO LAUNCH TOMB AGAINST STORMBLOOD

>>378685098
If you heal the synastry'd target they get both the 50% heal and your heal.

Light speed is your oshit aoe heal

The rest is obvious stuff.

Is there anything I can do to speed up the grind of the vanilla game? I want to get to the Heavensward content and this story is such a slog.

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>all these faggots out of the woodwork

>>378685245

1.0 actually did a number of things better than 2.0 IMO

I mean, not very many, but a few. I could rant about it but people tend to get mad when 1.0 is brought up in these threads in any sort of positive light

>>378685298
BRD. MCH now is more about personal DPS and you know how that goes for this game

>>378685298
BRD for sure in 4.0

>>378685379
skip cutscenes, spam Palace of the Dead for EXP.

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How do I be a hyperbolic faggot and melt down over changes I have not tried yet?

>>378684463
Based on how the Japanese tooltip, it's 200 potency. Shit's fucked.

>>378685298
now? MCH. SB? BRD, but MCH hypercharge is still the best shit for it's role.

>>378685025
Of course.

Jap game. No way they'd let Sam be put in the cuckshed.

>>378684853
They're good at different things and synergize well with each other, but any way you look at it, AST's main raid strength, the balance, lies in RNG. SCH can heal reliably, mitigate reliably and deal more damage. It's like WAR, it works so well with it's initial toolkit that nothing else can conceptually replace them.

>>378685209
t. fem au ra

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Why is fester only 200 potency now

>>378685542
t.bara memelord

>>378685470
What are you doing out of the cuckshed sweetie? Back in you go for another 3 years :^)

>Has a decent cure
>Combat res
>Aesthetically diverse magic
>Double Cast is built into the job

I'm decently impressed with how they handled RDM. True RDM was never going to be a thing in XIV, just not built for it, but they did pretty good with what they had

>>378685470
By seeing you got nothing in terms of utility, your new skills rely on you just being a healer only, and the other 2 got even better party utility then ever before.

>>378685025
Before Hasso/Seigan and Hagun, SAM was only interesting because of self-SC. It was by no means good at anything.

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can i get a gf in this game?

>>378684351
>They get a better x5 Fell Cleave than Warriors

What? Requiescat + Holy Spirit? Or am I missing something?

Literally what the fuck is Yoshi doing with MNK?

>>378684643
Mudras.

Did they forget to give red mages an mp regain spell?

I figured they'd at least get refresh

What if they designed WHM to solo heal every encounter?

>>378685487
The Jap tooltip may also be wrong.

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>yfw you're a tank in Stormblood

>>378685771
Lucid Dreaming

>>378685683

I'm going to enjoy watching RDMs disengage off cliffs.

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>>378685470
>but you havent tried it yet XD

We've been trying it for 2 years already.

>>378685737
Only the best that gil can buy, anon.

>>378685779
its still retarded because what, you're supposed to do it all using Cure I and Cure II and as few Regens and Medica II's as possible??

the whole system is fucked

>>378685098
What do you not get? Benefic 1/2 are weak and strong heals, A.benefic is a singletarget heal and shield/hot, A.Helios is an aoe shield/hot. Extend your card buffs+hots with celestial opposition and/or time dilation and you probably won't have to cast any heal spells for a while. Lightspeed and Essential Diginity are your oh shit buttons and ED is on such a short CD don't worry about saving it.

What if they designed SAM to solo dps every encounter?

>>378685656
Gotta make sure BLM is better in AoE AND single target

>>378685763
Literally everyones question regarding every fucking job except ast

>>378685658
You sound angry, did you forget to take your estrogen pills?

>>378684715
>nin starts the process by making dual mnk not a viable option
>mch/brd combo makes goon really valuable
>sam finishes the job by being "monk, but good"
the saddest story ever told

WHM main here, how much more worthless have I been made?

>>378685763
Nigga, what the fuck is Yoshi doing to most of the dps jobs?

>just leveled finished ARR with MNK
what the fuck do I do now?

>>378685973
Move onto Heavensward?

>>378685470
Pretty sure every whm is already intimately familiar with low-odds procs.

>>378685407
Achmed, Father said go outside and get the goat he wants to fuck it.

>>378685950
2+ years of no utility and only getting invites after content is on farm status. Please look forward to it.

>>378685913
>>378684715
>>378684239
If XIV has taught me anything it's that MNK will get it's potency back on all attacks eventually.

Just like how BRD's complained for 2 years and now they don't have to cast again.

>>378685891
didnt fire 2 get a potency nerf

>>378685905
Don't project on me, probably you forgot to shove your daily dildo up your arse you degenerate faggot.

what should my CPU and GPU temp be when running the game?

>Nerf Bane, Fester, and take away a dot
Why tho, SMN wasn't even OP

Who want to be my aniki in SB

>NIN still isn't a tank

>>378686132
jesus christ just fuck already you fags

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>>378685656
Because now Tri-Disaster increases how much damage the target takes from Ruin.
Perfectly fair, right?

>>378684581
That would help yes.

>>378686139
xiv uses like 110% of the gpu for some unfathomable reason
so pretty dang hot, i guess

>>378684853
Doesn't matter with the DPS boost you get having double-AST coordinating their Balances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0YzN11RObk

nice comfy music

>>378683680
If you have a SAM or NIN PLD is as good as Warrior.

Melee Role http://imgur.com/a/vyQte
Ranged Role http://imgur.com/a/O25nH
Caster Role http://imgur.com/a/Z8PGs
Tank Role http://imgur.com/a/voOYc
Healer Role http://imgur.com/a/m1PAn

AST http://imgur.com/a/T7KD9
BLM http://imgur.com/a/eU1A7
DRK http://imgur.com/a/1vUV4
PLD http://imgur.com/a/FlsTu
SCH http://imgur.com/a/1N65X
SMN http://imgur.com/a/x8O31
WAR http://imgur.com/a/OWtE6
WHM http://imgur.com/a/qiygJ
DRG http://imgur.com/a/rTeKr
SAM http://imgur.com/a/dNCzU
MNK http://imgur.com/a/pouKP
NIN http://imgur.com/a/AsQUH
BRD http://imgur.com/a/oy0xf
MCH http://imgur.com/a/sZajB
RDM http://imgur.com/a/9RfkR

>>378686179
They nerfed AoE across the board, unfortunately ACN got it the worst due to their nature.

>>378686018
But MNK is going to become garbage they say

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>>378686124
100->80

>>378686139
depends on your card/cpu
for a gpu anything below 90c is considered safe, but below 80c is ideal

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>>378683749
NOT LIKE THIS

>>378685763
>One of their shoulder tackles can push enemies away now!
>On the fucking melee range job
What fucking drugs is he on

>>378685724
>Before Hasso/Seigan and Hagun
an irrelevant short time

>>378686179
Because they are making it up with Bahamut's nukes. Don't know why SMNs are bitching about their primary damage now coming from actual summoning and not being AIDs-spreaders anymore.

>>378686309
It should just get the Holy style AoE nerf. Only fair since Bane got it.

>>378685737
95 percent of the time youre going to get a tranny but there is a slim chance you could get a thirsty ass bitch, i remember this one time this one bastard got this chick wet over his accent. wouldnt bother getting together in this game though, most likely a crazy cunt

>>378686325
Below 80c master race

>>378685903
>>378685967
Yeah but MNKs were already kinda shit, now they're... more shit?

>>378684463
>That or they expect us to spam pain fester ed every time ? That sounds retarded though.
SMN has been poorly designed and neglected in HW too.

>>378686278
>Stop doing big pulls
So this is the power of challenging dungeon content... Woah...

>>378686331
It's pretty obvious they're designing encounters to require crowd control now.

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>get home from work
>Read the healer changes
>SCH gets nerfed but gets some few useful abilities, like their own Battle Litany
>SCH AoE damage gets put in the garbage bin
>WHM gets trash skills all around with a few minor buffs
meanwhile
>AST retains their 20% balance
>Get a ridiculously overpowered 900 potency and 200 damage AoE heal
>Further buffs to the card mechanic
>300 FUCKING POTENCY SHIELDS WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK

Who /literalgod/ here? SCHs and WHMs need not apply.

>>378686226
>TRI-DISASTER
>BUT TWO DOTS

DO THEY KNOW WHAT TRI MEANS IN JAPAN?

>>378686446
>implying this will stop people doing big pulls.
Why Yoshi hates speedrun?

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>>378686330
oh god
OH GOD THEY'RE COMING
THEY'RE COMING

>>378686517
RESPECT
CONTENTRU

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>>378686276
>removed having to maintain enochain and astral fire/ice
thanks for removing the little we had to do yoshi p

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>>378685025
>>378685724
It's funny. In XI NIN was basically the best "combo" for any dps by subclassing it to get dual wield. Then SE wanted to balance 2handers so the buffed 2handed stats and then dual-wielding got cucked and everyone went 2H with sam sub and sam main being top DPS. The parallels are uncanny.

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>>378686508
>Tri-Bind is still a piece of shit

This is what makes me the angriest.

ESTIMATED JOB POPULARITY RANKINGS ON SB LAUNCH:

Tanks
PLD
DRK
WAR

Healers
AST
WHM
SCH

Damage Dealers
RDM
SAM
DRG
BRD
SMN
BLM
NIN
MCH

>>378686627
Is that still in the game even?

>>378686367
It's been an affliction warlock for years now. People who've been maining that all this time are understandably annoyed when you take away that aspect of it. They probably never should've been aids spreaders but they were and now people are annoyed

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>>378686686
>whm not dead last

I can't wait for 4.1 to come along and fix whatever the fuck they think they're doing with some of these changes.

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>>378686367
>DOT/pet job
>DOTs and pet are ignored for even more Ruin spam
>but you can summon Bahamut for 20 seconds now why are you complaining
You SMN haters are pure cancer.

>>378686686
This isn't a very good estimate.

New use for the arrow card, giving it to monks during their new fire ""buff"" so they dont have to have a gcd slower than base

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>>378686686
>MNK not even listed

>>378686782
I accounted for Stockholm Syndrome

>>378686508
Bio, Miasma, and Ruination.
That's three effects. :^)

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I'm doing it lads.

>>378685470

The WHM changes misses the biggest strength of WHM which was Divine Seal paired with their off-gcd heals and rolling HoTs. On top of that, WHM has traditionally never used Cure I/II more often necessarily as well. Just look up the top speed logs for Creator and you'll see that WHMs barely cure more than 10 times per fight and two of their new class mechanics, confession and lilies relies on cures of all things. Confession especially being retarded when they already have asylum, cure 3, and assize.

The 20% cd reduction is pure shit too. Over the course of a typical 6-10 min raid fight, you get 1-2 more assizes at most and that's not counting the 15 gcds, nearly 40 seconds, of curing on average to get 3 lilies if its incombat only. Lower cd on healing stuff is nice but it can easily be just as useless if tanks flat out don't need it with all the random mitigation every role can throw out. If you can't use Tetra/Aslyum effectively as they come off their lower cds, the 20% means nothing.

Worse of all is that you use lilies to shit out a stoneskin 2.

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>>378686627
>they actually designed, animated, and tested a brand new ability for red mage that has the exact same effect as tri-bind
>they can't even use the pvp excuse anymore, this is meant to be used for pve
Good to see they're using our sub money efficiently.

>>378686686
What is exactly is your source? your ass?

>>378686686
>Anything being more popular than SAM at launch
You're unqualified for this

Fuck everything I'm going SAM now from the get-go. Guess I should start doing PotD on a 60 class so I can learn how to do that shit on SAM. Fuck EVERYTHING

>finally read the embargo stuff
>MNK getting fucked
>AST buffed
>NIN will be supreme alongside SAM

life is good my dudes, MNK BTFO, WHM BTFO.

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>>378686276
>Divine Magic Mastery
Thank you Jesus.

>>378686508
But it makes them weaker to ruin so uhh that's a third thing. Also I just saw you can't use aetherflow in dwt anymore. that's odd

>>378686782
To be honest from what I've seen in game, 95% of whm players just stand there and heal whoever loses 1% of their hp and never touch cleric, they brought this upon themselves.

>>378686858
>MNK

who?

>>378683321

>back to job exclusive gear

shit

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>>378686727

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is Nero
dare I say it
/ourguy/?

>>378686795
>Complain about being a DoT/pet job for years instead of summoning big fuck off monsters for huge attacks
>Get to summon a big fuck off monster for huge attacks at the expense of a -slight- reduction to the DoTs
>SMN mains shit themselves in indignation.
Just ban everyone who plays the job. They don't deserve it.

>>378686786
It took them until 3.3 to make AST worthwhile.

>>378686908
>wanting to have a title with princess on it
you gay son?

>>378686276
Those tooltips are so hilariously convoluted.

>>378685771
>>378685830
A caster without a way to regain MP instantly or quickly makes feel anxious. One of the reasons i preferred BLM over SMN is effectively infinite MP.

I guess it's no difference from melee DPS who can actually run out of TP.

>>378687012
He is /ourChar/.

NINs will be the new DRGs now thanks to their mudra ley lines.

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>>378686910
And it's 20% chance ON CRIT

Fucking LAYERED RNG

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>>378687082

>>378686686
>MNK isn't even on the list

Feels bad man.

>>378686978
you have no idea how much I want those fuckers to burn

as a WHM, it physically pained me to see another WHM in a7 get trapped in a cage and not even TRY to break out which led to half the party dying

>>378686910
>Worse of all is that you use lilies to shit out a stoneskin 2.
You mean Stoneskin 1. Divine Penis is not AoE.

>>378687152
It is not 20% on crit.

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>>378686990
>gives us job-exclusive gear
>still no way to glamour them onto shared gear
What's the fucking point?

RDM numbers seem a little low, or am I a retard?

>>378687008
>still has longer cast time than recast time
>same godawful potency
JUST

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>>378687028
>-slight- reduction to the DoTs
Two DOTs that lasts 30s each isn't a slight reduction. We had 5 (FIVE) at launch.

Spamming Ruin so you can see Bahamut every 2 minutes won't be fun.

I fucking hate Yoshida with his "give and take" game design. HW SMN with Bahamut would be perfect.

>>378687225
That requires another fuck to share their mana apples with me.

At which point, if I am running in a group with friends, I'd likely have a BRD, MCH or AST ready to slap mana on my ass.

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>>378687312
Is this wrong then?

>>378687008
Fucking why

You guys really hate white mages...

I think a lot of people asking "What is Yoshi thinking?" doesn't understand how Japanese MMORPGs work.

In Japanese games, players there don't care about Meta. If their class is nerfed into the ground, they simply bow their heads and take it. This is because characters in MMOs are an extension of themselves. Class got nerfed? Well you just have to work harder then, it's your burden after all; you picked the class.

This is why balance changes seem so random and arbitrary. They have a vision of what each class should be doing in a party, but they don't feel the actual numbers matter all that much. After all, you picked the class. You can easily change any time you want, so they feel very little reason to balance classes in a certain way to make them competitive with other classes. Instead, they feel like you should be becoming that character when you press 'start'. As in you don't think in terms of how much % damage you do, as much as you do how you are performing in the party.

in fact, looking at hard numbers instead of trying to role-play as that character gets you labeled a twink. A really bad label to have because it's also associated with whales and people who spend hundreds of dollars on P2W items. Which is why Yoshi keeps trying to appeal to the former group that's nonexistent in the west instead of the latter group who is looking at these changes and asking "What the fuck is this nip on?"

>>378687324
They're fine, SAM numbers are just plain ridiculous.

>>378687403
Then you'd just be bitching that they nerfed your other abilities or that Bahamut is too weak because all the damage is lowered to compensate.

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>>378687082
also this, I know it's not perfect but it's something.

>>378686246
>>378686325
>>378686413
I see, cheers lads.

How much space will stormblood take?

I'll probably take (for MCH):
>Refresh
>Tactician
>Arm Gaze
>Head Gaze
>Palisade/Invig

I like the place MCH is in, even if we got some small stupid reworks. They actually made us take even more skill by managing the heat gauge.

>>378687431
Read that tooltip again, anon. Closely.

Where is everyone getting all the new information?

>>378684853
>slow limit break gauge
>alternating balance buffs so there's always one up

Frankly I don't know why anybody cared to begin with.

>>378687012
He's going to give us the glorious Judge job, so yes.

>>378687481
It's over, Square Enix is finished.

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>>378687431
>RNG on healers
FIRST AST AND NOW THIS

>>378687481
Even the J forums are asking what he's smoking with healers.

>>378687367

>>still has longer cast time than recast time

That's perfectly normal since it's a spell and it's on the GCD

>>378687554
Even more hilarious when you remember they get a 15% bonus to their healing potency just for being in a Sect.

I'm late to the party.

What role is RDM? What makes them special?

>>378687561
How the fuck are you interpreting "healing critical HP" then?

Also
>Asylum or Assize
>OR

>>378685749
Req+HS spam is going to be a chain of 516 potency magic damage for 12 seconds. With the half-mp trait you should be able to get 4-5 of them.

>>378687592
Actually they may be more alive than ever. It's very rare to see a Japanese MMORPG developer focus on the former group rather than the latter. Most MMOs try to gather their target base of whales and leech them dry with costumes and Potions.

>>378687554
Crit adlos are reaching 24k shields now. Until AST can match that, noct AST won't be a pick over SCH.

>>378687554
You cant spread it though

>>378687718
Healing Crits aren't what give them Lillies. Crits just instantly lower the cooldown of those abilities.

>>378687554
With all the retarded buffs to healing I'm wondering if the expansion will actually be heavy on unavoidable damage

>>378687714
No DD is special.

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https://www.famitsu.com/news/201705/31134234.html?page=2

>>378687576
The people that went to the preview event.

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>tfw ast main

back into the shed whmcucks

sch can stay for now until we find out double ast is the new meta

>>378687509
>that they nerfed your other abilities
As long as I still have the basic ARR rotation I legit don't care.

The pleasure of loading an enemy with DOTs, Baning and Shadowflaring is what made me like SMN. Without it might as well just play BLM.

>>378687758

number crunch when

>>378687758
noct ast won't be picked over sch because whm is dogshit and running double ast gimps your LB. Not saying noct ast is better than sch but just that reason alone makes any ast vs sch discussion pointless.

>>378687672
No ? Every cast has same cast time and recast timer so when it's done casting you are casting another one already, now you are effectively clipping into the next gdc by design, reason why blizz 2 always felt better to use.

WHAT THE FUCK DOES BLOOD WEAPON EFFECTS MEANS YOU SHITSTAINS ANSWER ME

>>378687438
Only A7S made any real use of it. PVP in a bind also.

>>378687758
When balance is a thing and SCH dps aint shit now I'd consider double AST if there weren't a LB penalty. You're spared the shed for now you fuckin nerd

>>378687257

Hoh shit, must have been linking the animation to the one at the benchmark video. That's even more garbage.

>>378687782
Ok I misinterpreted your first post then
>The 20% cd reduction is pure shit too

I thought you were referring to Secret of the Lily II's effect, not just the regular spending 3 lilies for 20% cd reduction.

>>378687930
typo, Blood Weapon and Blood Price effects.

I'm really impressed at how fucking fast these threads are going.

>>378687936
Er, T7S*

So used to typing A from 3.0. Now we'll be typing O1S-O12S instead.

>>378687893
Well you've still got Bane, and you've still got Shadowflare. The sole difference is that you have lost 1 DoT button press. Or are you basically just complaining that your damage is balanced?

>>378687714
Ranged magical DPS. They have spells with long cast times, and spells with short cast times. After they hard cast any spell, they can cast any other spell instantly. Obviously, you'll be casting the shorter cast spell first, then a longer cast spell. The longer cast spells give either white or black mana, and their few physical weaponskills power up by depleting equal amounts of white and black mana.
They also have tri-bind, a cure, and a raise for some fucking reason. Necessity, maybe.

>>378687860
we have all this in english

>>378687928
I should say most cast, not every.

>>378688017
The anger fuels the shitposting

>>378688013
Okay thanks

So what was that skill shown in the new actions trailer where the DRG does a kick?

>>378687928
>Every cast has same cast time and recast timer
BLMs, should we tell him?

>>378687978

All they need to do to curb double ast is make opposing stance benefics overide each other

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Bard looks overly complex to me.

Gotta be in the right song to take advantage of your procs. Got a blood letter proc? Gotta switch to ballad to even use it.

You'll be expected to keep 100% up time on all three song buffs

Healers are still bitch about wanting MP and melee may even bitch about TP.

Gotta take advantage of your MP with Foe for reduced damage.

Bard has an esuna, they may be expected to esuna stuff because healers are lazy.

>>378688101
new leg sweep animation
it's changed so every melee dps fits the animation

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>>378688013
Is that confirmed?

>>378688218
Aaah I see. Thanks.

>>378687538
60 GB

>>378688189
this is what i want

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Fix my ping!

RIP foes

>>378688135
LB penalty already makes them oppose each other. There doesn't need to be any more motivation unless they also make two sch fairies unable to heal the same target or two whms unable to doubleregen

>>378684107
Also goad/invigorate and +10% buddy damage up tether hnnnngh

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>>378688030
Wait do we still have three dots or just two now?

Bane still has all three in the tool tip

>>378688030
Our damage is already balanced.

Shadowflare won't be up all the time and you'll barely have to monitor your DOTs due to both lasting 30s so most of the time you'll be braindead spamming Ruin and use Fester/Painflare/Ruin IV when they're avaliable.

It'll be much less fun to play. Honestly it's alienating that I'm the only talking about this, are people really happy about our rotations being butchered?

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>>378688263
A

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>>378688267
Yes. Src: http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/001/530/1530780/

>>378688409
Bio becomes Bio 2/3, so we loose the extra Bio.

>>378688189
You've misinterpreted their gameplay.

>Got a blood letter proc? Gotta switch to ballad to even use it.
You can use Bloodletter under any song, but the proc to reset its cooldown only occurs while under Mage's Ballad.

>You'll be expected to keep 100% up time on all three song buffs
You can only use one song at a time, and their cooldowns are spaced so that you can enter the next one as your current one is ending.

>Gotta take advantage of your MP with Foe for reduced damage.
You have nothing else to spend MP on, so you may as well.

>>378688263
Paladaddy protect me

>>378688293
That's including ARR/HW though right?

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>>378688408
>Fag dragoon tethers to me
>Run from him

>>378688189
pretty sure the reset thing doesn't exist as a general trait anymore, crits do different things depending on which song you're in

also mp/tp refresh are cross role skills, they got nothing to do with songs anymore

>>378688594
but that'll ruin your own dps you idiot

>>378688664
Worth it

https://www.famitsu.com/news/201705/31134234.html?page=12

To be honest, i'm not really scared by the Summoner changes

Sure, losing Spur, Contagion and Raging sucks. But we don't really need them. Spur is just combined with Rouse. Contagion is nullified by the Tri-Disaster changes and the new Contagion mitigates the Raging loss. Really the loss that stings me the most is Sustain. There was NO reason to take Sustain away.

As for the nerfs, Bane is now nerfed during room-wide pulls, but Akh Morn will help to ease that loss. Fester is a super weird nerf that i'm praying is a fuck up. Ruin III shouldn't have been nerfed, but the buff to Ruin II just means i'll use that inbetween Ruin IV procs. No way i'm spending an extra 1k MP for 50 potency. I do appreciate the Ruin procs taking time away from Enkindle's recast.

As far as the new stuff is concerned, obviously Bahamut and his 160 potency auto-attack is welcome, as is his 680 potency Akh Morn that he can use twice. This will also be higher due to the 10% damage buff of DWT, so it's really closer to 750 potency. Tri-Disaster being refreshed every time you enter DWT is very welcome. As is the 15 second "Ruination" effect it brings. Seems like Ruination is another 10% buff to the Ruin skills, which will also benefit from the 10% DWT buff since that's where you'll be using Tri-Disaster. Ruin IV in DWT will now be 242 potency.

The upgrades of Bio and Miasma are nice, they're longer than past DoT's and have a good 40 potency per tick (though DWT will affect these as well.)

Shadow Flare being instant is a welcome change, making us go 30 seconds without SF isn't. I blame the Scholars for this one. Fucking Scholars. I expect this to be reverted in a future patch.

The 5% damage buff and 5% damage reduction ability is some much needed utility to SMN. As it the 90 second recast timer. Curiously, neither the Devotion or Aetherpact tooltips mentioned how long the buff lasts for.

On the whole, Summoner will be different, more than it'll be worse.

So summoners have tri disaster only applying two dots or does Bio now apply two different dots for one cast so there's still 3 total?

>>378688371
stop living in LEAST COAST, shitter

can someone explain Ten Chi Jin to me? i don't understand the tooltip

>>378684107
>constant fights to the death with nin for who gets to buddy up with samurai
we were friends once, but no longer

>>378688189
If you're not in ballad, bloodletter won't proc. The dot proc and empyreal arrow proc have different effects depending on which song you're singing.
With every single class getting access to both MP and TP refreshing abilities, it's their own damn fault they won't have any resources left if they didn't have them. Similarly, there are esuna-like abilities in the cross-role system for other jobs.
The biggest complexity about nu-brd I could see was timing your songs for battle voice correctly. You need to be in the right song at the right time while still having enough time to gain a new target to switch your song again before it runs out.

People saying bane was nerfed where is the source of this? If true I am jumping on the rdm train

>>378688568
Yeah, but with compressions it should be down to 30 - 40 GB with both expansions.

>>378684239
>MNK gets more utility
One 5% raid-wide damage buff every 90 seconds is not good utility.

>>378688764
you hit mudra 1, you fire a fuma
you hit mudra 2, you fire a raiton because mudra 1 you used for the fuma counts for the current chain
you hit mudra 3, you fire a suiton, because the last 2 mudras you hit for the fuma and raiton count in the current chain

>>378688874
It got the Holy/Flare treatment

>Samurai gets a 720 potency attack just because
>Monk has to spend all of their GL stacks for a 330 potency attack

What did Yoshi's """""balance""""" team mean by this?

>>378688874
the dots do less and less damage the more target you hit up to 80% less damage and you only have 2 dots now.

>>378688750
Bio will upgrade to Bio 2 when it's unlocked, which will be traited to Bio 3 when you unlock it.

There will only ever be one kind of Bio on our toolbar from now on.

>>378688745
You're forgetting another reason our aoe is nerfed anon. We are losing blizzard 2

New SMN AF is trash, you look at it and you dont even notice its new gear

Monk seems to be in a decent spot

Why change the royal authority rotation?

>>378686686
FIXED LIST

>ESTIMATED JOB POPULARITY RANKINGS ON SB LAUNCH:
>Tanks
>PLD
>WAR
>DRK

>Healers
>AST
>SCH
>WHM

>Damage Dealers
>SAM
>MNK
>DRG
>RDM
>SMN
>NIN
>BRD
>BLM
>MCH

Estimations based off of how jobs are represented in trailers and bandwagoning and not how good they will actually be.

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>>378688527
So we still have three dots then right?

I thought people were saying we only had two.

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>>378688874
Flee while you can

>>378689060
so they literally have a spell called 3 disaster with only 2 things.

>>378688948
>>378689017
Where are people getting this information. I want a source damn it

>>378689115
dps and to compensate for the new mp based skills most likely

>>378689115
Why change DRG AoE for the same exact potency per GCD?

>>378688972

Every other one of SAM's attacks do like 5000 potency. I guess the trade off is that every single other class got raid wide damage buffs for some reason

>>378689115
So that you're regenerating MP with Riot Blade more often.

>>378688594
>Just toss the tether on the tank
>DRG still gets their boost
>other dps cucked.

>>378689184
http://imgur.com/a/x8O31

>>378688745
It's possible pets are just way more sturdy which is something people likely couldn't/hadn't tested. Losing sustain just kinda doesn't make sense otherwise.

>>378689115
buff to OT, more skills use MP and i wouldnt be surprised if they are making it harder to justs it in dps stance all day

>>378688432

>I'm the only talking about this

What kind of pretentious faggot are you? This is the most talked about job nerf after WHM.

>>378689214
So SAM becomes 3.0's Monk, but with high fucking damage.

Sasuga yoshida

WHM should have all of its damage potencies doubled.

If it shat out 400 potency stones as a fifth DPS, it would still lose out to +20% damage to the entire party, but at least it now has a niche as the TOP PARSE healer.

>>378689158
No we don't. You only have Bio and Miasma. There is no 2nd Bio you maintain. The "3rd" dot people mention is a new modifier on Tri-Disaster that boost dot potency for a bit.

>>378688764
you keep whichever mudra you pressed first, so you can go fuma -> 2 mudra jutsu -> 3 mudra jutsu

so fuma -> raiton -> suiton and fuma -> katon -> doton are both available depending on what you want

>>378688409
Because it'll still work on regular Bio until you upgrade.

>>378689184
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/6efr5i/imgur_albums_for_all_classes/

>>378688189

Hardest thing is determining which song to play as fights are broken up by phase shifts and other stuff. In terms of overall power, it's probably Mage's Ballad > Minuet > Army, but at the same time there's the issue of the Flute skill and how that lines up with your song playing. Since the recast is 80s, there are probably situations where you play a 2nd song 10s early, or maybe you start a fight with a different song so that its back up in time at the appropriate time. Overall, it'll be fun to see how it plays out with the fights. BRD got the actual rework while everyone (MNKs) are shitting themselves over a few off-gcds.

>>378689163
Is this worth having Bahamaut

>>378689178
Yes.

We also only have Miasma 1 and Miasma 3 in Stormblood. New players will never know that Miasma 2 ever existed.

>>378689214
SAM's potencies are so absurd that I would be surprised to see 4 SAM comps if they aren't changed. It easily trumps the measly 5% group buffs given by other jobs.