Name a better party member in the Mario universe than Vivian.

>>378668513
She's the cutest, but I don't remember her being too useful for some reason.

He's pretty good yeah. :^)

>>378668602
>le vivian is a guy xD meme

>>>/reddit/

>>378668589
>Her

Watt.

>>378669002
She's a girl.

>>378668763
>>378669625
He is a guy you faggot

Baby Yoshi
Bobbery
Spike
Bow
Goombella

>>378668513
I heard she fucked Doug

>>378669748
English version disagrees.

>>378669793
>traitors baby yoshi and goombella better than vivian
>paper mario's "coldsteel" better than vivian
>shittier bombette better than vivian

lmao

bow's alright but come on man

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>>378668602
>>378669748
>not wanting to fuck or get your prostated pleasured by dickgirl vivian

come on guys, i thought you faggots were better than this

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>>378668513
When it comes to combat Watt rapes everyone

No Huff N Puff allowed

>>378669967
>Censored version disagrees
All others agree, faggot.

Also Watt is factually the best.

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>>378670183
>Talking shit about Bobbery
I'll fuck you up, Anon.

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>>378670867

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>>378668513

10 years later, I still want to mate with the Shadow Queen.

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>>378669891
Did it go something like this?

>Bow
>Watt
>Sushie
>Bobbery
>Ms. Mowz

>>378668513
Hey! Did you know? Fun Fact! That this character was supposedly a drag queen who was male but really wanted to be female because in Japanese they refer to her as "Maju-hari" which means a coven of...... ZZzzzzz....snore....Zzzzzzzzz

>>378673425
hahahaha epic xD

>>378669967
The
>real
version agrees with me you trap-fetish freak. Go watch 4kids bitch

>>378668513
Bowser

>>378673787
Thank you anon ;) I love you.

>>378668763
He's canonically a guy. Only the U.S. release changed him into a girl, which is just censorship and not canon.

>>378668589
She's extremely useful with that shadow move that can dodge big attacks.

Vivian and Bobbery fuck shit up.

Vivian is gay right? Does he still kiss Mario in the jap version?

>>378675961
>>378675506

He's just a girl (male).

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>>378675961
Yup. He's just a gay dude who likes to crossdress. It's as simple as that, nothing more.

>>378676324
>Wearing a hat and gloves
>Crossdressing

SONICPASSION

>>378676691
The official game manual in nipland calls him "a boy who likes to dress up in girl's clothes".

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>>378675365
>>378675961
>>378676324
>>378676527
>>378676816

DELETE THIS

>>378676816
Source? Can't find anything regarding that. As far as I'm concerned Vivian only refers to himself as female.

>>378674010
I bet you've never even touched the Moon Runes version.

>>378677389
It's in the manual, a few of the artbooks, and in some mario card game. They all use the same description pretty much. Try searching for scans if you can read Japanese.

>boy

Vivian is a transgender girl, a male that identifies and lives as a female. She refers to herself with feminine terms all throughout the japanese game, the other characters refer to her with masculine terms because they don't accept her gender idenity, this is a common scenario in japan since the country has no sjw culture pushing for trans acceptance.

>>378677631
He's a man. Kill yourself, trannyshitter. All you're doing is being mean to crossdressers by trying to sweep them under the rug and deny their existence.

>>378677631
So she's a man is what you're saying?

>>378677631
He's officially and canonically a boy. He knows he's a guy and likes being a guy. He just wants to wear pretty clothes without freaks like you turning him into something he isn't. Try actually playing the game.

>>378672098
>theboogie
Sorry Anon, gonna have to try harder than that to get me wanting to fuck that.

>>378677580
Any specific word I should look for? I don't know what's the word for tranny or crossdresser in jap, new-half?

>>378677802
Vivian describes the shadow sirens as three sisters (as in, she, and her two sisters), referring to herself as a girl. She routinely uses the feminine first person atai to refer to herself. I don't care if you think trannies are gross, mentally ill etc., Vivian is a textbook example of a transsexual person, in this case a male who refers to themselves as a girl. Even if you don't like them they still exist, and that's the accurate way to classify Vivian.

>>378677802
>and likes being a guy
Why does he always refer to himself as female then? Trannies in Mario aren't anything new, just look at Birdo.

>>378677919
The word they use is '男の娘'. It specifically refers to male crossdressers and is never used for transsexuals or newhalves.

>>378678006
>>378678095
see
>>378678138

Vivian is canonically and explicitly just a crossdresser. There's no gender politics bullshit involved.

>>378677631
People like you are actual scum and the world would be better off if you didn't exist.

>>378678006
You're talking about the censored version, which actually just made him a girl. In the original Japanese and faithful localizations he never refers to himself as a female.

>>378678138
That expression is used exactly like the phrase 'trap' is used in the west. It refers to males who look and act like girls, it doesn't take their motivation into account. Trap is commonly used to refer to people who are male crossdressers who identify as males, and also commonly used for transsexuals as well.

Otoko no ko is used exactly the same way. Newhalf is typically reserved for people who have breast implants or bottom surgery, which is actually a minority of transsexuals, most transsexuals can't afford expensive surgeries.

Vivian explicitly refers to herself as a girl. That is not a crossdresser, but a transsexual. The key difference between a crossdresser and a transsexual is gender identity

>>378678006
No, you fucking retard. Vivian is a guy and refers to himself as a guy. You're conflating the English translation with the Japanese version.

>>378678220
>However, Vivian initially describes the shadow sirens as san shimai "three sisters",[3] and routinely uses the feminine first person pronoun atai.
Fuck off, just because Vivian is a tranny doesn't make shit political.

>>378678425
You're extremely wrong. That word is explicitly meant for males and never, ever meant for transsexuals.

>>378678425
That's wrong, you fucking retard. Vivian is a dude. Stop pushing your tranny agenda onto a game for kids.

>>378678498
>>378678406
BTFO
>>378678552

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>Vivian being a girl is censorship, it's not canon.
>Poison was made a transgender for the U.S. release, totally canon and not censorship, roll out the futa
Which is it, you faggots?

>>378678780
Vivian is a man. Poison is a female.

>>378678720
I'm not pushing an agenda and neither is nintendo. The other shadow sirens even insult vivian by calling her a man to hurt her, there's no tranny defense in the game, it just so happens the character is trans

>>378678220
>Vivian is canonically and explicitly just a crossdresser
This. He's just a guy. Trannies and tranny apologists need to fuck off forever.

>>378678780
Poison was always a tranny anon. That shit about making him a tranny because of violence against women as been debunked years ago.

>>378678880
If you're referencing the English version then your argument is moot because it's censored and translated. Go look at what is said in the jap version.

>>378678780
They're both males, but we enjoy refering to them as females to channel our passion, so to speak.
They'd probably enjoy it too.

>>378678592
>>378678720
>>378678963
These. Vivian is a dude. Argument over. Do not respond to delusional trannyposters.

>>378678592
It's you who is wrong. Many famous otoko no ko personalities in Japan are transsexual

>>378678780
Poison is female according to what the devs said, just called her a trans because >MUH HITTING WOMEN

>>378678552
Atai is used for males as well. Don't take everything you see on the Mario wiki as fact, anon. It got overrun by insane trannies pushing an agenda a long time ago.

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https://soundcloud.com/xkiichan/nanidafuqamisaying>>378679097

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>>378679041
In the english version Beldam calls Vivian ugly, in the jap versiln she calls him a man.
>This whole fucking thread.

>>378679097
No, they're completely right. 男の娘 is explicitly for males who wish to stay as males and merely crossdress. Why eve argue when you know you're wrong?

>>378679005
You have no source.

>>378679059
Doesn't work that way. If you go by original intent, Poison is a female and Vivian is a tranny, but if you go by localization logic, Vivian is a female and Poison is a tranny. You can't have it both ways you memeing futa-loving fuck.

>>378678963
>Trannies and tranny apologists need to fuck off forever.
holy shit this. trannies are fucking insufferable, awful people. i see why every crossdresser i've ever met hates their guts, now.

>>378679372
>Vivian is a tranny
Vivian is a man. Read the thread.

>>378679559
Trannies ARE men you delusional sick fuck.

>>378679559
She refers to herself as a girl, like another anon said, and believes herself a girl. So, a tranny. A man is a man without any confusion about gender identity.

>>378679610
Trannies are men, but that doesn't mean all men are trannies. Where did you learn logic, anon? He just has long hair and wears a frilly hat. He's in no way a delusional mentally ill frankenstein mosnter looking tranny.

>>378679286
>not understanding how insults work
If they were calling her ugly in one version, that means it was an insult. Taking her being called a man as proof that she is one is completely idiotic

>>378679242
Explain how she calls the group Shadow Sisters then gets shat on by Beldam about him being a man then.

>>378679334
>english wikipedia states otokonoko does not take gender identity into account, meaning it covers crossdressers and transgender
>japanese wikipedia states this even more explicitly

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>>378679286
What word does Vivian use to refer to himself? Watashi/Boku? Also does her description say he's crossdressing for cuteness or because he thinks/wants to be a chick?

>>378679673
He refers to himself as male in the nip version. You're purposely confusing the English version's pronoun's with the Japanese version. Stop doing that just to push your agenda, you fucking freak.

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It's all a matter of taste and artist preference. The fictional character so believe whatever the hell you want to believe.

>>378679798
It says he just crossdresses for looks and has no desire to be female.

>>378679798
Atai, which is either for females or rarely used by fuccbois.

>>378679818
>Stop doing that just to push your agenda, you fucking freak.
You're a stupid retard if you ever thought I was painting trannies as anything other than mentally ill ITT. But worse than that are the trap-lovers /v/ is infested with.

>>378679798
He uses atai, a female pronoun

>>378679976
This is never once stated in the game. Vivan introduces herself as part of the shadow sisters (along with her two sisters) which prompts one of the sisters to be angry and correct her by saying she's a man. Vivian only refers to herself as a girl

>>378680154
>a female pronoun
wrong

>>378679798
>Also does her description say he's crossdressing for cuteness or because he thinks/wants to be a chick?
Doesn't specify, you really think a fucking paper mario game would delve deep into tranny territory? Vivian is just a girlish boy that wants to fuck mario and uses female pronouns.

>>378680185
>this thread
Trannies need to be gassed. They tried the same shit with Gwyndolin. The sad thing is that they don't even realize how rude they're being to dudes who simply like dressing up. Bunch of assholes, desu.

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>>378680185

>>378680368
It's used for men, too. Your source is wrong.

>>378680438
So why does vivian say she's one of the shadow sisters if she explicitly sees herself as a man and not a girl

>>378679097
Otoko no ko is only used for men, anon. Trannies are something different in nip.

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>>378680603
Same reason this guy calls himself "one of the gals". You can be a flamboyant gay dude in Japan without being a tranny, you fucking mental patient.

It's so depressing that everyone that shares my hobby is a closeted fag

I didn't mind the nerd label but this is just too much

>>378680739
What is the definition of a tranny to you?

>>378680663
>tits
Gross. Vivian's a boy, not a futa.

>>378668513

Peach in SMRPG. Group Hug cheeses the fuck out of that game, probably one of the best healing spells I've ever seen in a JRPG. But yeah, Vivian is pretty top tier too.

>>378680301
He's agreeing with you retard.
>Vivian is a man
>No she isn't t. Censorcuck
>No xhe is a tranny who identifies as a female
>You demented mutant tranny lover, vivian is just a boy that likes crossdressing and sucking cock, not a tranny ReEEEE GENDER POLITICS
>Look at these obscure pronouns
>hurf durf feggtz git off mai vidyer
This thread is fucking weird, can we go back to discuss if Vivian is male or not?

>>378680739
This. Trannies and their apologists are reaching hard to spread their disgusting influence, and it's honestly getting ridiculous. Crossdressers are just crossdressers. Trying to turn them into something else is actually more insulting than progressive.

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>>378680998
>accurately labeling people based on their behavior inherently pushes an agenda

This is why we live in the era where feelings are considered more important than facts and logic. Trannies are gross is not an excuse to claim they don't exist.

Vivian has a female appearance, refers to herself as a girl, and uses a feminine pronoun in reference to herself, despite being a male. This is not just crossdresser behavior or flamboyant gay behavior, this is transgender behavior. Your opinion on trangender shit does not change the facts. There's already precedent for this kind of character in mario games, birdo is trans as well.

No agenda is being pushed. No statement about trans characters is made, no push for acceptance is being made. Not by me, not by nintendo. I'm simply stating reality.

>>378681419
No, that anon is completely right and you're genuinely a fucking asshole for trying to sweep crossdressers under the rug. Not wonder they all hate you tranny freaks.

>>378680998
Both crossdressers and trannies are mentally ill faggots, Vivian is still a tranny deal with it revisionistcuck kys.

>>378681419
You just proved his point. Way to be an insensitive piece of shit, you tranny loving fuck.

>>378681574
If vivian referred to herself as a guy, I would have no problem saying vivian is a male crossdresser. That never happens though, you're making shit up because you personally prefer to think of vivian as a male crossdresser

>>378681419
>character is explicitly described as a crossdresser
>NOOO HE NEEDS TO BE A MENTALLY ILL TRANNY JUST LIKE MEEEE
you're a horrible person and don't deserve to live. straight up.

>>378681680
>If vivian referred to himself as a guy
He does. As do several instruction manuals and art books. Stop being an asshole.

>>378681754
When does vivian outright state that he is a crossdresser?

The other characters referring to vivian as a boy and a crossdresser does not mean vivian is not transgender, that's normal reaction to transgender behavior.

>>378681851
>He does.
Examples?

>>378681754
Source? Plenty of people have provided evidence of Vivian refering to himself as a woman, but none of this refering to himself as a crossdresser shit.

>>378681596
The revisionists in this case are the trannies. Stop trying to false flag, you retard. You're clearly one of them you mentally ill freak.

>>378670419
Watt was good? I was a Parakarry fag myself.

>entire thread is samefag tranny agenda pushing
>every piece of evidence proves them wrong but they keep trying anyway
They need to be wiped out. Seriously.

>>378682049
>every piece of evidence proves them wrong

Quote all the posts that do this

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>>378681956
>Being THIS ass annihilated because trannies fucking exist

>>378682014
Yeah she destroys the game.

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>>378670419

>>378682787
>Sushie "I am become death" cheep cheep
>Low tier

>>378683038
I made this before I really knew about tidal wave being ridiculous as hell

I still don't like Sushie much though

>>378669793
>Baby Yoshi
He comes close, but Vivian's dodge/kiss abilities make up for doing less damage.
>Bobbery
Doesn't have any real abilities, he only really outshines anyone in a battle with several enemies.
>Spike
Pretty much just Madam Flurrie but without health drain, and I definitely wouldn't consider her better than Vivian.
>Bow
She's adorable too, but instead of having the ability to confuse everyone, she just scares enemies away.
>Goombella
Also adorable, and I'll definitely say that being able to go twice is better than Vivian.

>>378678425
Trap only refers to transexuals if the speaker is a transexual looking to get offended by something. No one who isn't attempting to bend the meaning uses it to mean anything but a guy who looks like a girl.

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>made this thread to talk about party members
>go make dinner, expect it to 404
>come back to 120+ posts
>over half are tranny/anti-tranny

what the fuck guys

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>>378685421
IT NEVER ENDS

I don't know why you nerds are arguing about Vivian's gender.

You're still going to fap to herm anyway.

>>378668513
I want to hug, make love to, and marry Vivian. Either male or female, preferably male though.

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You wouldn't hit the whacka, would you /v/?

>>378685964
I would hit it with my dick.

Doesn't Vivian, in non-censored versions, call her group the "Three Sisters", and get berated?
Sounds to me that Vivian was referring to her self as a girl.

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can we at least agree that vivian is cute

that isn't blush. it's her eyes.

You can't unsee it.

>>378687991
it is a blush though. Beldam and the Shadow Queen both lack it.

Just so you know, Vivian is a girl. Her sister insulted her by COMPARING her body to a transvestite. She's completely 100% a girl. It's like calling someone a twink or a faggot or manjaw or horseface.

>>378688346
All these people who don't speak a word of Japanese are going to disagree with you though, because it fits what they want to hear.

>>378688528
At least there will be a grain of truth in this pile of shit.

>>378688528
>>378688346
I dunno, you search up vivian on pixiv you're still gonna find trap stuff from japanese artists

>>378688648
That's because it's still a popular fetish and the west has only made it more popular. Also if someone compares Vivian to a tranny chances are someone will draw her as one.

>>378687571
Yes, we can.

>paper mario thread
>vivian is posted
>thread goes to shit
every time

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>>378689082
we could always talk about other characters

>>378689354
Jolene or Nastasia for sexiest npc

Paper Toadette is also a top girl

>>378668589
What are you talking about? Fiery Jinx hit every enemy for the amount equal to the FP cost, making it carry a lot of value

>>378689625
plus it burned.

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>>378668513
>You'll never rub Vivians cute round tummy

>>378679782
It could be an insult, like calling someone brutish I guess.

I really like the shadow queen, but for some reason I find her design so hard to draw, even though she's just simple shapes.

>>378690218
It is an insult. That's literally all Bedlam ever says to her.

Doesn't Goombella have a hard time telling if Vivian's a girl? Would someone really get confused over insults if they're supposedly clearly a girl?

>>378689990
Why did you have to remind me?

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>>378690739
because I dont want to suffer alone

>>378690727
No, she doesn't mention it in the original text.

>>378668513
Koops and Baby Yoshi >>>>>> All Else

>>378687991
I remember when I was younger and thought Vivian's curl was a nose.

>>378680851
Would fuck tho.

>>378690850
Looking around, looks like Vivian refers to her self as a girl, but the party member description says she "looks like a girl but is actually a boy."
Once you have her in your party, and she's referring to her self as a girl, and she isn't trans, wouldn't her gender then be revealed, and any confusion would be wiped away since she's right there?

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>>378691019
Literally what is their appeal?

>>378691639
It doesn't say that. I own a Japanese copy of the game and it says nothing of the sort.

>>378692073
Can you take a pic? Google Translate is the only thing that can settle this.

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If Vivian is just some kind of shadow than what the FUCK is Count Bleck

>>378692365
How am I supposed to take a pic of my tv when I only have a computer?

>>378692442
A member of the Dark Tribe.

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You are all fucking plebians.

Lady Bow is the purest and best partner anybody could ever ask for.

>>378668589
>>378675506
Regardless, I'd still tap that

>>378677631
Sounds like a guy to me.

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Could someone translate this? Preferably using the google translate app if the pic's high enough quality?

>>378693974
I remember my copy saying along the lines of "Vivian: Youngest sister of the Shadow Sirens. A kind and sweet girl who can hide in the shadows and use firey attacks". I don't think this one says that, it might be an edit. You can change the text files in Paper Mario pretty easily if you use an emulated copy.

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Here's one without the bottom cropped. Sorry for that.

>>378694256
Definitely not what my copy says. I'll try to find my reference book from when I learned to make sure I read this properly.

>>378694238
Can't be an edit I got it from this speedrun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD-5N7td7ag
Time is 2:56:55,

>>378694256
>>378694446
Well this first part says, from what I can tell,

"A former member of the Shadow Trio."

>>378694926
I think the second part might say something along the lines of
"She's quite feminine, but is learning to be more assertive." I definitely see "she" there.

>>378694256
Google translate says:

"It is like an onna's coat who was one of the black-and-white threesome and the real one is"

It's not perfect, but it's safe to say it doesn't mention gender at all. We need the second part.

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shadow queen except you get a game over if you join her so rip

>>378696942
Yeah because the game wouldn't be E rated if they showed it.

Goombella, Bobbery

>>378696942
>Join shadow queen
>She turns you into a shadow siren
When

>>378692549
Gay