why aren't you playing the best MMO right now ?

>>378642992
I've already played WoW and I'm not interested in wasting my time with that shit anymore
Why did you post the GW2 logo though?

>>378642992
I left this game because it was a fucking pain to acquire gold to buy the stuff i wanted.

Did it changed with the new expansion? Can you make like 50g per day?

>>378643095
>I've already played WoW and I'm not interested in wasting my time with that shit anymore
well at least guild wars 2 is an actual mmo that actually encourages playing togheter instead of doing the opposite,also since there are waypoints there is no backtracking

>>378643182
let's just say you got everything and having obtained your instant gratification you can now move on to your next pointless video game conquest

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>>378642992
Because MMO is a shitty genre that needs to go the way of the dodo.

>>378643806
but why do you hate recent MMs ?

>>378643280
How?

>>378643182
>Can you make like 50g per day
How much do you want to play? What's your tolerance for grind? 50g a day isn't that lofty a goal, but it'll take a couple hours.

>>378642992
WvW is pretty boring for me now

>>378643919
well let me just give you a list of all good things of gw2
>you don't have to talk with an npc to start a quest,the quests starts the moment you enter the area of the quest
>if the quest requires you to pick up items from the ground (for example) you will not have to worry about somebody steal it from you because the item will remain on the ground even thought a player already got it
>once you complete the quest you get the rewards without having to talk to an npc
>there are way points on the map,in case you need to backtrack you just open the map,choose the waypoint and teleport there,same thing for when you have to go back to that area
>sometimes on the map will appaear some random event that all players can partecipiate if they join the event area,the more you contribute to the event the more rewards you will receive (if you contribute a lot,you will get a shit ton of exps)

>>378644378
I've played both before, none of that is exclusive to GW2. WoW even recently implemented the same mob tagging system, quest items not disappearing when being picked up by others and has daily group events that don't require you to speak to NPCs to start or complete.

>>378644686
sure ? i played throughout the game (without counting legion) and i have never saw any of that

>>378642992
GW will always be the best game in the genre and this abomination will NEVER be good so go suck some more tranny dick mike.

>>378643280
>well at least guild wars 2 is an actual mmo
No it's not
>that actually encourages playing togheter instead of doing the opposite
No it doesn't. You level solo almost 95% of the time.
>also since there are waypoints there is no backtracking
Great, so not like a traditional MMO at all.

The game is just another shit WoW-clone with public quests like in WAR, Rift or XIV.

>>378646136
GW wasn't an MMO.

It was a lobby adventure game. Just like DDO, PSOm, Diablo 2 or any other lobby based games.

>>378646182
>No it doesn't. You level solo almost 95% of the time
true,but at least you don't get bothered by other players while you do that
>Great, so not like a traditional MMO at all.
do you like backtracking ?

>>378646341
>do you like backtracking ?
I like living in a world that actually feels like a world. Not something where I just instant teleport wherever I want to go excusing any player interaction or making preparations for the trip.

>>378644807
>(without counting legion)
Because that's when all that shit was added.
If there's one thing WoW does right, is evolving with shit and appropriating good ideas from other games. They've been doing that shit for like 12 years and it keeps working. It's why all the WoW killers are dead, including GW2, and WoW isn't.

Because the mmo is old and i can't be in the top 100.
Becuase i have no time to play a mmo seriously
Because i am not social so a mmo is not the ideal game for me

>>378646450
so what ? just don't use them

Idk I got kinda burnt out of Runescape since 99 smith was taking so long

>>378646678
That's not how things work.

The game wasn't designed for you to NOT use waypoints. No one else will NOT be using waypoints. The fact that you CAN use them eliminates a lot of possible design features for player driven travel. (IE: Magic classes with teleports, support classes with speed buffs, etc).

Post-WoW MMOs are not MMOs. They're single player games where you can just so happen to see other people playing.

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>>378646909
>Post-UO MMOs are not MMOs

ftfy

>>378644378
I wish this stuff was the bare minimum for new MMOs

When I played wildstar after GW2 it was so fucking painful, I never got further than level 10 because it was so tedious just doing questing.

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>>378642992
This game started out so promising but was squandered and turned to shit through developer negligence and idiotic balance design. I'd go into greater detail but I doubt anyone will give a shit. GW2 threads rarely last longer than 30 posts here any more.

Pic is how many hours I wasted playing this shitty game. So much regret.

>>378647007
At least before WoW they actually required parties to level and player interaction to achieve things.

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>>378642992
But I am, anon. Spiderman Skypirates exists so, of course, I'm playing it.

I love a lot of stuff about Guild Wars 2, love the polish, hate the combat.

I regret not going Warrior and spoiling myself by getting burnt out on magic classes. Spells you don't have to aim are boring to cast. Never do you really have to make decisions to crowd control one mob and defeat another quickly. I prefer World of Warcraft combat even, which I have a hard time reconciling with since I know WoW combat sucks too.

Man have they done cool things with WoW's engine though.

I used an interface mod for Guild Wars 2 that made it like a third person shooter. Camera came in over the shoulder, your area spells cast at cursor and your spells cast at cursor. Wasn't enough to save it for me.

Guild Wars 1 was fun because of Pokemon, collecting boss moves around an open world to build up a deck. Researching wikis to find skill combinations you'd never seen before. Subclassing for unpredictable ability combos. Maintaining a party of characters. Ignoring gear, which was cosmetic.

>>378642992
but i'm playing it right now anon

>>378642992
Because Ashes of Creation hasn't come out yet

>>378648170
And, unfortunately, probably never will just like 95% of all other kickstarters. Especially MMOs.

Because the end game is shit and the expansion was lack luster.

I fuckin hate the way GW2 did quests. "Oh we're just going to streamline them so you get them as soon as you enter an area! You legitimately turned what made MMOs like Runescape great by turning it into a fucking shopping list. They didn't even try to make them fun. It's like you're speedrunning the game but the endgame is trash.

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>level scaling

>>378642992
Combat is a spamming clusterfuck

>>378648605
>liking it when content gets invalidated

>>378648787
>disregarding the entire point of character progression in a FUCKING MMO

>>378648787
I'd rather be able to enter some low level content and feel like a demi-god oneshooting everything. It kind of invalidates my powerlevel otherwise.

>>378648170
Concerns:
>Way too large of a scope for an indie developed MMO
>Pets
>No gameplay shown at all
>microtransactions
>No even estimated release date

I wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't even started developing the core systems of the game. All we've seen are landscapes in UE4.

This game will either release 1/5th developed in 2020 or not at all.

>>378646341
>true,but at least you don't get bothered by other players
What the fuck, if you don't want to bother with other players why the fuck play any MMO in the first place? That's literally the appeal of the genre, if you don't want that then just play a SP RPG.

>>378648531
You're a contrarian retard. Floating !s over peoples heads are retarded.
You enter a new area in GW2, which you're sent to as part of your personal main story quest, and NPCs are going about their lives until something happens that generally has nothing to do with you but if you help out they reward you.

>WoW-style MMO
>bandits don't spawn until you accept the quest
>or worse, they and their boss just endlessly respawn
>GW2 an event starts to defeat some bandits
>if you beat the waves of lesser bandits, a cool boss bandit spawns
>have to kill the boss bandit with a group for optimal rewards

GW2 was fucking excellent, it's only problems were that you could zerg dungeons, leveling was too easy after beta, the game didn't teach people how to use their skills properly, and there were no raids

>>378648787
RPGs are are about progression. The sameness that level scaling gives can make large swathes of the game feel like a plateau.

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>>378648787
>not making content count regardless of player level
>not making player level a relative rather than absolute
Cumon step it up.

But more important question is why was there no other MMO that did this?

>>378642992
Has this game proper rotations now? Last time I played, in 2014 or so, most classes "rotation" was literally the auto attack. The other spells were only used very occasionally. I played Hammer Guardian, Sword/Horn Hunter and Dagger/Focus Necromancer.

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GW2 is a decent MMO; worth your time until max level.

It's the worst fucking thing imaginable if you were ever a fan of GW1; it's nearly everything opposite of what made it great, it's insane.

>>378648837
The point of progressing isn't for a zone to turn grey and all the content in it to not be worth your time.
In GW2 you could do zones you skipped and they'd still be somewhat challenging while giving you exp and loot for your level

Best of all, you could out level your friends or they could outlevel you and it didn't matter, you could keep playing together

>>378649087
>and it didn't matter
So why do I level then at all?

>>378649087
>forcing it instead of making it optional
They fucked up. And you're retarded.

>>378648984
I don't get how what I said was contrarian. I just like quests that feel like quests, not shopping lists. The personal quests were fine, I just wish they did more shit like that instead of the fucking "kill 10 goblins or pickup 10 x" quests that made most WOW quests so forgettable.

And maybe I'm in the minority but I still think that Runescape did quests better than any other MMO out there because they were very involved and made you want to finish it to see that reward.

>>378649087
Oh yes I sure love to feel like I'm making no progress at all because every zone is scaled to me, truly an enlightening experience worth my time.

I actually tried playing this game twice, got bored around 40lvl mainly because of that both times.

>>378643806
It's not a shit genre, it's just the people that put MMOs into insanely profitable margins like terrible MMOs. Shit like the first Guild Wars, EverQuest, and UO were fantastic. Sadly WoW forever degenerated MMOs into treadmill garbage with no incentive to continue playing besides the prospect of eventually more treadmill in the future. The closest you ever see to player interaction in MMOs these days is either weeaboos cybering each other, or PvP.

>>378649018
>why was there no other MMO that did this?
How about every MMO before WoW?

>>378649037
Fucking this. It's insane how perfectly unlike GW1 they made it and how all the good and interesting things GW1 had no longer exist. GW1 was such an excellent game too.

>>378649371
I still play WoW. PVE content is what keeps me going. Getting cool loot is fine, but it's mostly the challenge of the raids that keeps me coming back. I do agree that after clearing Mythic mode of the current raid, the game does die down a lot for me personally.

>>378649637
Sometimes I wish WoW never happened. Other "smaller" mmos would likely develop in different ways, not just to follow the biggest MMO on the market.

>tfw literally can't find anything good made after 2010

>>378649371
Please stop using GW as an example of an MMO. It's not an MMO. It's a great game but not an MMO.

>>378648787
all that "content" is invalidated by other factors anyway, there's no reward for doing shit besides fractals and dungeons

>>378649727
>would likely develop in different ways
Maybe, but they'd probably just be more EQ clones like XI.

Which would have been excellent.

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>>378642992
>MMO

>>378642992
I am, wait a second, that's not black desert.

>>378649727
Elder Scrolls Online is actually pretty decent for a modern day MMO. It's not a WoW clone, at least.

>>378649889
I actually tried it during the open beta and it was fairly average, though I heard it got better. May give it a try one day, sometimes I'm really tempted to buy it.

>>378649884
Black Desert is a game with great ideas but terrible execution.

>Can't trade players
>AH prices set by server
>Everyone looks exactly the same
>Pay to win cashshop
>AFK/Autowalk
>AFK/Auto craft/gather/etc

>>378649979
The game was awful at release and beta. It's much much better now. You can get the base game for $11 on G2A

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>>378642992
but this isn't ff14.. or wakfu.. or a wow server...

>>378650003
Remember ArcheAge? That one was supposed to be good too.

>>378650084
If I get bored enough I will. It's b2p, right?

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>>378642992
But I am though, for 13 years.

>>378642992
Why aren't you celebrating Ape Escape's 18th birthday?

>>378650193
ape escape will never ever happen. Stop this

>>378650003
Fair points, but the combat is what I love about it. It just feels good, and other than Tera I can't find another mmo where I enjoy their combat. However Tera is fucking dead sadly.

>>378642992
open world PvE is shit but raids are fun as hell desu

>>378650340
RaiderZ had similar combat which was also fun, but it's fucking dead. Literally.

>>378650157
Yeah b2p and as you can imagine there is a cash-shop with stuff that makes your life a lot easier.

I think if you get the "gold edition" for $20 it comes with most of the DLC. (Though you may just want to base edition to try it out and if you like it get the DLC)

>>378650382
Heard semi good things though I never had a chance to play it.

>>378650176
If only the gameplay wasn't so excruciatingly boring.

>>378650408
Thanks for the information, anon. I'm seriously tempted to buy it as I feel like I played every single mmo that's still alive and I can't find anything that holds me for too long, with the exception of LOTRO to which I come back once every few months.

>>378642992
>Use nothing that worked from GW1
>Tried to sell features they were promised to be included at launch
>Broke the Gear promise that was the philosophy of the entire series

No GW2, go fuck yourself.

>>378650625
>LOTRO
dont make me feel again, I really want to play it again but it is too dead and the cashshop is very outdated (you have to pay for quests or grind to the point of suicide) unless they changed a bunch of stuff

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>>378649690
GW1 put an emphasis on instanced, party based content, having nearly all content designed towards eight person teams. The endgame PvP was like this as well; structured 8v8 gameplay.

GW2 is about going with however many people you can fit on the fucking screen. Endgame and tauted PvP mode is like this as well - and it's split amongst three teams.

No more click-to-move, collision based combat. Now I can jump and explore! Oh fuck yes jumping puzzles these aren't jarring or boring at all.

Build customization is non-existant, even fucking ESO is better in this regard and that's not saying shit.

They named it GW2 because they were aware how awesome GW1 was, it's Syndicate levels of sequel faggotry.

>>378650494
Maybe you should stop committing yourself to F1 fleets

>>378650625
I was always a fan of playing LOTRO but my friends would always drop it soon after picking it up.

Then it went F2P and I couldn't get past all the weird content-pack things. I remember having a lot of fun with it. Glad to hear it's still active.

>>378650758
>Broke the Gear promise that was the philosophy of the entire series
anon say what you want about gw2 but they only added one tiny gear tier after launch (ascended) and it is piss easy to get nowadays

>>378649743
I know it's not technically speaking, but in general opinion it's still considered as part of the genre.

>>378650762
>too dead
Many servers merged so it feels a bit more alive. Sure, some areas are empty as shit, but if you're in Bree you'll always find dozens of people.

2bh many people run turbine points "events" from guilds, meaning several people at once make new characters, grind the slayer deeds, delete their characters and repeat. Some can get hundreds of TP a day that way, but if you REALLY want you can play the full game for free. I only bought Mines of Moria expansion, rest I pretty much unlocked with grind. I love the world, though.

>>378650798
I have no idea what that even means. This is from my experience of trying the game several times of the course of 10+ years. I probably never got far enough for it to become "exciting" I guess?

>>378650758
>meme arguments
intothetrashyougo.jpg

>>378650882
They only stopped at one because enough players with a spine jumped ship so hard and so fast that the developers backpedaled due to the loss.

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Good thread, I'll check out BDO and ESO later

>>378650758
>Tried to sell features they were promised to be included at launch
Sounds like every "modern" game desu

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>>378642992
But according to /v/ and its daily shill and general threads for it (which somehow are allowed to be on both /v/ and /vg/) this WoW clone with chocobos is the best MMO right now. Actually its the best MMO ever made!

>>378650925
Define far enough. Recently the game got an update to its progression/SP system, and a fairly good tutorial system as well.

I don't mind the game being niche, if it catered out it would be dead before long, like what happened with Incarna.

>>378650157
but Archeage was good.

ruined by a shitty editor and lazy dev team tho

>>378642992
I could never properly enjoy gw or gw2 because no oceanic servers.

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>>378642992
I am, anon. Classic retail server, absolutely based.

>>378647809
got any link ?

>>378651036
I would like to try BDO but I don't want to get ganked at max level by some "1v1 me lel trollface xD" edgelord

ESO was fun until I realized how fucked up the balance team is, it is like gw2 balance but 100x worse

>>378649889
A friend actually convinced me to try it out like last week. This game is the most completely braindead easy MMO I've ever played. I'm only level ~15 so haven't played much at all, but it lacks any and all challenge when leveling. Every mob dies so fucking quickly I can barely tell which spells are better or how they work exactly. You can roll your face on the keyboard and it's impossible to die. The combat also feels completely floaty and disconnected, it's so bad that I can't even see why they went with an "action" combat system when it's this shit, it doesn't actually feel any better or more interactive than typical target-based combat. My entire experience with the early game up to now is chasing a quest indicator and steamrolling over whatever the fuck I find at the location with no thought requirement at all. It's like the quest dialog takes longer to listen to than doing the actual quest if you don't include the running to the destination.

I'm sure the end-game dungeons must be more difficult and have some challenge, but so far ESO is so bland and boring I can't possibly imagine why I'd stick around until I reach the end-game. The game needed some modicum of actual challenge so it can't be played by turning your brain off and blindly chasing quest markers.

>>378651154
>gold sellers day 1
>every fucking plot taken on day 1
>labor points

>>378651049
Just because everyone is doing it doesn't make it okay annon. But you're right, and it is way too fucking common.

>>378651238
Isn't the game supposed to be mostly story driven? I'm guessing they made the story stuff easy so casuals could play through it as a normal Elder Scrolls game.

>>378651334
your only good argument is labor points,gold sellers have nothing to do with the game quality and for the plot you're not entitled to have one but fuck the botter and the cheater who took them

>>378651234
BDO combat is a clusterfuck, and the game is also pay to win

>>378651582
This game unironically feels like just bots play it, though. I tried playing it once or twice and always saw someone blatantly hacking, sometimes with several characters at once, similar name and gear + following each other.

>>378651629
BDO Combat is fucking amazing, best I've ever seen in a MMO

>>378651685
>This game unironically feels like just bots play it,
it probably is it was already awful when i played it at release and since nothing was done i left like most peoples

>>378651790
They had a good idea but they fucked it up horribly. I'm not even that surprised, really. No one seems to know how to make a good mmo these days.

Bting the bullet? (Play gw2 again and do some insane grinding for viper gear) or shitpost on /v/?
What is it?

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>>378651721
https://youtu.be/jIwDITHRr5c?t=54s

I bet you think Witcher 3 combat is amazing too

>>378651721
>DOOD IT'S LIKE I'M REALLY PLAYING AN ACTION GAME
>proceeds to aoe spam packs of braindead mobs
or for pvp
>proceeds to play the current fotm and shit on everyone not playing fotm. unless you're not geared. then you get shit on no matter what.

>>378651916

how is getting viper gear insane grinding?

>>378651916
why not both?

>>378642992
Because no-trinity was a broken concept and every dungeon run - a clusterfuck.
Also sjws.

>>378651998
>I bet you think Witcher 3 combat is amazing too
This is a thread about mmos so fuck off with your baiting you dumb weeb

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>>378652125
>no argument
>ff-f-f-fuck off

>>378651998

braindead shit, using hitstop to make the hits feel impactful what a fucking joke. Explains the price drops into single digits

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>bdo
Game is pretty trash but it's fun to explore. I wouldn't be playing if I didn't get it for $6.

>>378651495
I don't know, but it's so stupidly easy that the carrot-on-a-stick quest design seems like it was made specifically so you get bored as fuck. It's completely ridiculous, the mobs die so quickly that if I try to level with friends in a party the melee guy literally doesn't even have time to get in range to attack before the target is dead and the guy who picked a healer gets bored out of his mind because he never has to heal. Quest "bosses" die in <10s.

I've also played the first dungeon, it's actually possible to die there so the game already felt much better since it required a minimum amount of focus and attention, but it was still incredibly easy for a dungeon since we cleared it on our first attempt while being at the minimum level to enter and having no fucking clue about our classes or the dungeon itself. It almost feels like the world should be just slightly easier than the dungeon, just with lower mob HP maybe.

>>378652194
I'm not a guy defending BDO's combat.

>>378652194
>>378651998
Nu males get out please.

>>378652051

Trinkets are a pain in the ass (ascendet) since one need to do stupid archievements and grind maps I fucking hate (retarded floating islands are shit to navigate beyond believe)Im missing 50% dmg which makes it even more difficult to grind since I only have zerker asc trinkets

>>378652067
Im kinda sick and can catayze my energy only in one activity.

>>378649037
>worth your time until max level
I guess I shouldn't buy HoT then? I'm fine being F2P.

>>378652224
I'm reading up on some posts about people complaining about it being too easy.

Apparently the game used to be much more challenging solo and they devs nerfed it so that casuals would continue playing.

That's too bad. Though in the same threads I read that non-solo stuff later in the game is much more challenging.

>>378647395
what the fuck? i havent managed to get a character to max level in this game, just because it was so boring

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>>378648984

>2,000 bandits infest any given zone
>milling around
>evenly spaced outside each other's aggro range
>nothing better to do

maybe they all smell so bad, they stay away from each other?

>event starts
>spawn new bandits, three at a time, to run in like lemmings
>AI powered by a potato PC

Generic MMO crap

>>378652730
That's disappointing. I'm sure the end-game has to be challenging since it wouldn't work at all in a MMO if it were this braindead, but I don't plant to stick around for tens of hours worth of mind-numbing quest marker chasing just to get there.

>>378652995
inb4 dick edits.

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>>378652979
I have max leveled every single class except the one added in HoT. I quit 1 week after HoT came out. HoT was so horrendous that I gave up on the developers ever pulling their heads out of their asses. Biggest fucking cash grab I have ever seen. The sheer laziness shown with that expansion was appalling.

And pic related. Its how cringe worthy the story was becoming.

>>378652223
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>>378642992

>>378653680
if you had to shill you could have at least put the game's title

>>378653680
>millions of viable builds
>loading bar
>all lvl 20 armor and weaponry has the same max stats
I mean gw1 was cool and all but some of these arguments are batshit

>>378652362
Honestly, HoT maps are much more fun than core maps.
They are actually challenging to explore and require you to know what's going on to complete the larger events while vanilla maps are just mash all buttons and win.

They are also denser content wise but not as comfy to roam around in since you just die if you don't pay attention.

>>378653894
Thats Guild Wars 1. It shows just how shitty (other than graphics) Guild Wars 2 ended up being.

>>378654123
They also require an insane amount of grinding for Mastery Points to "get around" in, as you say.

>>378653894
>He thinks someone is shilling a 12 year old game

>>378652995
well what did you expect from an mmo?

>>378654226
That only feels awful if you're compelled to 100% the maps the first time you enter them.
If you just chill and run around and do the events instead of getting mad that you can't get that one vista without a mastery it feels a lot better. Just come back later when you've gotten the masteries naturally.

>>378642992
>"why arent you paying to eat somebodies shit?"
Fixed that for you

>>378653680
>all lvl 20 weaponry had the max stats
Bullshit. Getting a req 8 weapon with the skin you wanted was much more annoying than getting an ascended weapon is in GW2.

>>378642992
shit compared to the original

>>378654497
>naturally
No such thing. You can beat the story and still not have enough mastery points for what you say. No matter what, you'll still have to do quite a lot of grinding to get the required masteries.

>>378646554
hell I remember seeing something about legion adding a wardrobe system, which was a thing gw2 had that everyone praised for making fashion so much easier
I don't play WoW though so I don't know if that ever actually happened

>>378655670
I think WoW has had their wardrobe feature for many many years now.

There were other games before GW2 that had it as well.

>>378655579
Are you talking about the experience or actual mastery points?
Cause I never had a shortage of mastery points but experience did require a bunch of meta event runs. It took me about one or two weeks or so of regular play, not even grinding, which really isn't that bad IMO.

>>378642992
The gameplay wasn't good enough to hold up the terrible story.
The story wasn't good enough to hold up the terrible gameplay.
I wish I could get my 60 dollars back.

It's ok if you plug your ears and close your eyes regarding anything relating to the story and go in with no expectations of the Guild Wars name.

The new zones in HoT are actually pretty incredible, probably some of the best zones I've ever seen in an MMO. It feels like a real maze going through them and getting 100% was legit difficult.

>>378656573
>dat Draconis Mons with the grappling hook.
If there's only one thing they are steadily improving at, it's leveldesign.

>>378656243
I'm talking about the mastery points. The ones where you needed poison knowledge, certain gliding skills, language skills, etc. There was even a point in the story where you had to stop and grind for a bit to further the story, and that was even with covering as much of the map and POIs that you were able to reach at the time.

Also remember I quit 1 week after the expansion came out. Its possible they may have nerfed this some what. It doesn't matter, though. The entire mastery system was stupid. Just another way to add more carrot on the stick chasing to keep people interested since their content was so fucking shallow.

So, level 65 Thief shitter here, I don't do enough damage. Should I be focusing on condition damage? Power? Precision?

I'm currently using Dagger/Dagger or sometimes Dagger/Pistol. SB for mobility.

Any build recommendations? General tips?

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>Everything in the game is designed around the gold<->gems dynamic
>Can literally straight buy legendaries with gold/money
>All character progression in the game revolves solely around farming gold
>Basic things like accessing new content in patches or even transmog is gated behind spending gems

Microtransactions ruin another game.

>>378657013
Make sure everything you equip has berserker stats and slot everything with rubies.

>>378656860
I don't know how it was at launch but I played through it a few months ago and never had problems getting the actual mastery points. I got loads of them from achievements from just doing map stuff I don't even remember.

I agree though, there was no need to add more "progression" at all. They just should've added more content and skills and put the movement abilities you get through masteries as some simple unlock or something. HoT was just way too small. Thankfully the leaked maps of the new expansion seem much bigger.

>>378657013
Dagger/Dagger is a purely power/precision weapon. The condition damage on the 3 skill is misleading as fuck. Also never use the 3 skill. Its garbage. Cloak and Dagger and backstab repeatedly over and over until the target is below 33% HP, then spam the fuck out of Heartseeker. The 3 and 4 skill are utterly worthless in PVE, and only 4 is useful in PVP for catching people who run from you.

>>378657013

I suggest using sword/pistol since it gives you an insane amount of i frames you willneed since you are squishy af. Theblindon the pistol is good against potato mobs and interrupts are probably decent against heavy/slow/telegraphed attacks which do tons of dmg. d/d is dps but you already do so much dps its nonsensical being oneshot if you can survive and do tons of dps-1

>>378657315
>He doesn't know about condition memes

Get with the time grandpa

>>378657079
>legendaries are completely unnecessary and have the same stats as ascended gear, which can't be bought and has to be crafted or found in loot
>"character progression" is just getting exp and doing hero challenges, has nothing to do with gold
>story patches are free when people are logged in and trans charges are free when you complete maps.
Bruh there are loads of problems with the gem store but that isn't what's wrong with it.

>>378648863
I agree with you on the pets part

but there is SOME gameplay shown already, like 12 hours ago

microtransactions for cosmetics are meh, but what can you do?

>>378657110
>berserker
Fuck me I've been putting Assassin mostly.

>>378657315
>>378657409
Is condition good or not? PvE wise I mean. Getting mixed signals.

>>378657382
I haven't actually tried Sword/Pistol yet, thanks.

>>378657760
Condition is very good nowadays. It was fucked at launch because of design errors but that was mostly fixed in HoT. However you will need to grind some to get the new meta stat set equipment pieces, so I wouldn't recommend using it for your first character.

i truly hope the new expansion turns out good since i want to play it so badly but the current state is just horrendous

>>378657760
It can be, but the condition weapon combo for thief is pistol dagger. Cloak and Dagger, then use the 1 skill. Caltrops is good for short term AoE bleed stacking in PVE.

>>378657382
For leveling, I second this. Sword/Pistol is easy tier and by far the most efficient method of leveling with a thief. Get zerker gear, round up a few mobs, spam Pistol Whip over and over. It not only does frontal cone AoE damage, but makes you invulnerable for most of that. The stun only effects one target, but who cares, you're invulnerable.

Protip: This does not work in PVP very well. Players are very easily able to avoid it and you lack on demand low cool down stealth with this weapon set which thieves need to survive.

>>378655864
No the wardrobe came with the legion pre patch.
I think transmog in generell came somewhere with late Cata or early MoP.

>>378658369

How viable is s/p it in fractals? Never did fracs with thief.

>>378657678
Just saw it. The game LOOKS good. Is everything supposed to die in 1-hit like they showed?

Seems like the game may just be another singleplayer MMO..

>>378651685
I went back and tried it with one of the big content patches; it was pretty fun for a good deal of time. I made some good money off it, alts (since now multiclienting was allowed) were good for trade-runs/easy money. The game was good, but the RNG nature of everything, be it gemming, regrading, etc etc, made it brutal. The constant poor decisions by Trion and the Korean Dev damaged it irreparably, which hurts.

A big thing about the game is that in Korea you only have one account, since it's tied to your SSN/ID over there. Hard to balance when people can just make a billion alts, which is what the West did. Don't even get me started on how P2W people were, guilds like KGB Unironically threw 10's of thousands of dollars into essentially buying the best possible gear/ships/etc. Not that I'm complaining, they allowed me to make a good deal of money selling gold/accounts to them/similar people.

>>378642992
because I'm poor

>>378657409
Admittedly, there is a gimmick build that involves Death Blossom and Caltrops, but since Caltrops has such a long cool down, its not very fun waiting on the timer between pulls. Though it is rather satisfying watching everything die in 2 seconds when you do get to do it. But thats about all you can do with it. Seems like a waste to invest in condition daggers just for doing this once every 30-40 seconds, or whatever the CD of caltrops is. I forget.

>>378658587
Pugs are gonna kick you if you don't go daredevil.

>>378658604
True, we'll see though

So far they spent 14 months on it before hitting kickstarter.. I'm not sure if that's good or anything, but it's progressing better than camelot unchained thus far

>>378658894
> they spent 14 months on it before hitting kickstarter

You can definitely tell.

>it's progressing better than camelot unchained thus far
Camelot Unchained is just a sad situation all around

What should I use my level 80 character boost on, so far I only have a level 80 ranger/druid.

>>378658819

This is horrible but I never stacked might as warrior nor used any banners what so ever and never was kicked. Are you sure people are that anal over thieves?

>>378658587
Perfectly viable. Generally what I do is run dagger/dagger in one set, then sword/dagger or sword/pistol in the other set. The iFrames from S/P helps a lot with survivability, especially if you're new, but be very mindful of your surroundings.

Single target, D/D is superior damage but S/P is great for multi-mob trash.

S/D is amazing for locking down a single target with daze/stun/blind dodge cheese. You can solo tendrils in the Jade Maw fractal with it and its great being able to knock them out on your own.

Did they fix the atrocious story? What about the inept VA work? Is combat actually fun now?

The problem with GW2 is that it's just fucking boring.

If you die, whether it be PVE or PVP, what do you lose? Nothing

If you win, what do you win? Fucking nothing, you just get some gold or pvp points so you can spend on either cosmetic shit or shit that costs so much even though you get +5% bonus in stats from it, and even then what do you do once you get those stats?

There's literally no point to doing anything in GW2 because fundamentally, there is no risk of losing anything. The lack of any loss means that whatever you gain is so easy that anyone can get it, therefore what you gain has less value.

MMOs suck now because of faggot carebears that play the game for the sake of doing something, even if that thing is ultimately pointless.

>>378659118

Personalpreference but warrior. Great power/prec/ferocity or condition builds. Ez to play, so much surv through traits. Very good team buffs if you chose so. can break cc if you choose so, cleanse etc. overall. Jack of all trades master of some and always goood to have

>>378659151
Well it depends on the pug but at t4 fractals people get pretty elitist-y and want you to go meta or go bust.

>>378659151
Most pugs won't give a shit. Especially if you tell them you don't have HoT. However, every once in a while you'll get some elitist jackass ass party lead and will do this. Just find another group. Its not like it takes very long with the group finder.

>>378659174

ok great, maybe this will be enough for me to keep leveling then since I borked my warri (wake me up intensifies)

>>378647809
Is that Worlds Adrift or another game?

>>378659256
you don't "get" anything in any game, senpai, it's all just a waste of time.

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>skills tied to your fucking WEAPON TYPE
>using the same 5 skills from level 1 to the end of the game with NO change in rotation
>somehow this is considered the best MMO

no

>>378659295
Actually never did give the warrior a chance, I've always thought of them as too "common" and simple. your description sounds really intriguing though!

>>378659374
>>378659335


Im immune against "stuck here or kick" entities and rather really just find a chill party so good that its not some bs rule of thumb or anything where people feel obliged to kick any non stuff weilding thief.

One question, zerker is too glass. Is marauder still ok for a health boost or are there other options Im not aware of atm since I havent played in 6 months or so

I bought GW2 on a whim and used the level 80 boost it came with on a Necromancer. I wanted to use the greatsword build like I saw in a youtube video but apparently you need hero points and I have no fucking clue where to get those.

So I gave up on it and haven't really played it since.

>>378659726
>being too autistic to change weapons.

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>>378659889
Guild Wars 1
>Tons of skills
>multi-classing to combine skills into a unique class

Guild Wars 2
>5 Skills
>switch weapon for 5 more skills

>>378659619
You get the thrill and satisfaction of gaining power through challenge or simply from overcoming the challenge itself.

As it stands, GW2 has neither of this and that's why it's boring and it sucks.

>>378659745

Currently playing with the bow since I can automate its rotation and aoe melt anything in my way with a single button press. Just borked my shit up with the retarded viper trinkets I have no desire to farm for and will be probably just craft the lesser than asc version of that shit as soon I get enough money (around 100 gold if im correct). Warris are def worth it , very reactionary gameplay (iframes on the gs 4 example) and very good health regen. Combine it with the fact that zerk gear still leaves you with 20k hp and enough regen and you are doing decent dmg, looking sweet in heavy armor and being able toweild most of the weapons you have some serious flexibility. (800/1200 h playtime)

>>378659808
>Greatsword
Just go babby mode warrior. GS Necro is pretty shit right now.

>>378659726
>>378660087
>5 weapon skills
>5 skills that are interchangable

>all classes can use multiple weapons
>all classes get multiple interchangable skills
>can do different types of builds which even affect the interchangable skills

But no, let's forget all that and just claim there are only 5 skills in the game.

>>378660245
Why would I do that? I already wasted my boost.

And I don't care if it's "shit", I still want to play it.

>>378660241
I haven't touched my warrior in ages. Is that bow build a condition or power build?

>>378660241
>wasting money on exotic trinkets
Why. You'd probably be better off just getting rabid or sinister trinkets.

>>378642992

>same skills constantly all the way to max level
>endgame is non-existant
>new armour sets are usually available on the gemstore
>farming gold is the only thing left to do so you can buy gems with said gold
>have to grind events over and over again
>living story is the only update they ever do
>living story is poorly written and the content is bland
>no incentive to do dungeons or anything because the rewards just aren't there
>loot is meaningless, all you ever get are greens and blues that sell for 2 silver

It's like they tried to actively create the most bland MMO.

>>378659073
>You can definitely tell.

What do you mean?

I honestly don't know if their progress so far is good or bad, how is that measured even in this industry?

>>378660274
>can do different types of build which even affect the interchangeable skills

>admits theres only like 5 other skills you can change and they don't really count because they're 80% passives
>STILL thinks this shit is good

Man I get it, you like GW2, but stop being a fan boy for ONE second come on now.

>>378660458

condition

boots sinister, onering sinister everything else viper.

>>378660521
I will do the comparison and return with results

>>378660348
To unlock hero points you'll have to go to the HoT maps and find a hero point train by either asking in the map or looking through lfg and get carried through the challenges.
Or solo them but I doubt that's possible if you're completely new to the game.

>>378660608
It seems pretty decent so far, but so little was shown in the video.

More than what I'd expect from a kickstarter that hasn't ended yet.

>>378660676
>and they don't really count because they're 80% passives
I didn't say that. In fact, most of them are on use skills.

>>378660676
>be Ele Tempest
>have 29 skills available at all times, not counting conjures.
Feels good.

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>>378659808
> I wanted to use the greatsword build like I saw in a youtube video but apparently you need hero points and I have no fucking clue where to get those. So I gave up on it and haven't really played it since.

Gaymers in 2017.

>>378660889
>and I still know EXACTLY how you play because you're an Ele Tempest and you can't make your own classes because the sequel somehow has less features than the previous game

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>do a dungeon
>there's no tanks or healers
>everyone is dps and rolling around like an idiot when they get aggro
>just a big meatball of rolling and hit sparks
>dungeon is over
>mfw

>>378660521

Missing out on 20% burn duaration/condition duaration for 20% more precision (wasted stat for burn build) seems like a horrible tradeoff. How ez is sinister asc to aquire?

>>378661112
Dungeons are just a faceroll since all the nerfs and elite spec power creep.

>>378661112
Honestly the biggest problem with GW2 at launch was that Anet just had no fucking clue to make good content for an action-oriented game. With GW1 all the challenge was simply in the mob builds while in GW2 they also have to make good leveldesign and encounter mechanics as well. Dungeons really are all a snorefest because they just spam mobs at you most of a time. And it's getting worse since they haven't been updated in years and the elite spec power creep is making them easy as fuck.

They are getting better at it though. The newest fractal in challenge mode is pretty sweet and while I haven't done raids, I've heard good things about them content wise. The only problem is reliably organizing 10 people who know what to do and are willing to stay for hours.

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>>378661626
>literally 5 years later and they are JUST now figuring out how to make a dungeon for a game with no tanks or healers
>somehow expect me to think this level of ineptitude doesn't permeate through the entire game

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>>378656573
>>378656812

>mfw guild wars 2 is fucking outstanding platformer (unless you play as a charr or a huge norn) and fucking awful MMORPG

>>378661870
I'll give it this, the jump puzzles are sick

>>378661870
literally the only thing I remember having fun with in GW2 was exploring and jumping around, finding all the Vistas

>>378661740
Bruh where did I say anything about the rest of the game, I'm just talking about their instance designs.

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>>378642992
But it's actually the worst MMO of all time.

>>378642992
got bored because all the classes feel the same. engineer is the most fun class and even that got boring.

>>378661979
not only jumping puzzles are great, often challenging, complicated and clever - controls are really good too, if you are playind medium sized character (i hate doing JPs as charr for example). you really feel like you have 100% control over jumping and landing. and with addition of gliders - which are a bit too simple for my taste - they added new posibilities

>>378661870
>mains are charr and norn
>got used to them in jumping puzzles that I can't use humans/sylvari/asura anymore because I always think my hitbox is smaller than it really is and misjudge my jumps

>>378661740
Exactly this. They took parts from other, better mmos and half assed it. It is a complete shit show, and maybe the worst mmo that costs money to play. There are better f2p mmos than gw2. Hell, GW1 was a much better game.

>>378662603
This. Its funny how that works. However, there was one JP in old LA (no longer exists) where I had to use a ghost tonic (turns you into a human) to get past because the ceiling was too low to get past and my character would bounce off.

>>378643095
fpbp

>>378662683
>There are better f2p mmos than gw2
Name them. No, seriously. I want to try them out.

>>378657013
condition is what is op currently because they buffed the shit out of it.

get all viper gear now, not berserkers.

>>378662887
I remember that shit, I would just zoom into first person for that puzzle and get motion sick as fuck from it.

Bought this game back at release and barely played. I feel like clearing content just to get my money's worth. What's a good class to roll with if I'm just going to play the one character? Elementalist?

>>378644378
WoW has all of this shit too.

The regular quests are better because you have some story to why you're doing this objective.

people think gw2 still doesn't have tanks or healers you guys really haven't kept up have you

Old memes die hard

>>378663186
Warrior is the simplest that is also good during leveling but Ele is fine too. Just don't go Mesmer, Necro or Rev.

>>378663087
Yeah. I think it was called Troll's End or some shit. It was that one JP right outside of the bank in LA. Had to climb a bunch of ramps and then jump down a hole to get to it. I fucking hated doing this JP on my charr. The ceilings were so low that it fucked with the camera and you couldn't see shit. Without a tonic of some kind it was impossible to do as a norn/charr. Obvious as hell that they didn't test this puzzle with either the norn or charr race. GW2 QA was notorious for being dogshit.

>>378642992
because City of Heroes was shut down

>>378642992
Aion is dead in the West and is shell of its former self, so that's why.

>>378663447
I leveled all the classes to 80 besides the Rev. I can't be assed to level another character at this point. Mesmer was by far the most difficult and bullshit class to level. Necro was easy as hell thanks to condition damage and epidemic, but they nerfed epidemic. I don't know how effective it would be any more.

>>378663436
Well, technically launch GW2 had roles besides dps too, they were just shit and you didn't need them for anything because dps rush was just much better than anything else.

And nowadays it just turned into obligatory Chronomancer and Druid for the buffs.

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>I dedicated almost a year of my life for this shit
>I havent acieved anything spectacular - a couple of legendaries and not a single raid completed, hardly played pvp nor WWW

I really regret it as I am shifting into playing single-player games now. I could have experienced so many classical games. I am 23 and basically last year i decided to play planescape torment and finished original deus ex 2 months ago. now going through vampire bloodlines (hollywood and i like it so far :3). fuck this genre - except original GW, i will always love it.

>>378654497
What does "100% the maps" have to do with Mastery grind?
You practically can't do anything without grinding Mastery.

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>>378663813
>I am 23

>>378658604
Did you watch the video? It states at the beginning they haven't balanced or fixed the stats so that's why they're 1 shotting everything. Even the chick states that.

>>378642992
Where is the male human on female charr romance?

>>378664139
The only things you really need are gliding, updraft and mushroom bounce. With these you can do most of the content in the maps and they take a day or two to unlock. The rest is just a bonus that makes map completion less stressful because of shortcuts with the wallows or leyline gliding.

>>378663813
>not a single raid completed
But anon, raids are such a faceroll, especially BotP

>>378664756
>tfw want to do raids but can't be bothered to show up on a specific time every week to do it.
>don't want to pug when the good ones ask for insight checks and the bad ones don't listen and can't speak english
How do I into raids, anons?

>>378664975
make a Druid or a Chronomancer

>>378664975
It's almost impossible if you aren't in a raiding guild. I've given up on making legendary armor, good thing they locked it behind this raid bullshit.

>>378665127
I don't even care about the armor. It doesn't even look that good and I'd only consider it for the statswap, but since statswapping for armor is so cheap now I really have no incentive to get it at all.

>>378664975
Get into a raid guild anon. Any decent raiding guild can clear wings.

>>378661112

>do a dungeon
>mobs mostly just onehit you
>roll around constantly without actually being able to properly use your skills
>get damaged anyway and/or instakilled

It's a fucking mess

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>>378665459
>dying in dungeons
Anon.

>>378642992
GW2 was good on release...for about a month, until you realized there were no raids, no guild housing in a game called fucking GUILD WARS, and that the lack of Holy Trinity took away any sense of roles

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Why aren't you playing the best shortstack race of any MMO?

>>378665783
Because Gnomes can't be Paladins

>>378665783
>Asura are literal perfection
>Charr are hot garbage
it's like they saw how to do something well and decided to do the exact opposite

>>378664236
This. Love me some charr ladies.

>>378649370

Your level scales, your gear doesn't.

The only difference it makes is mobs clse to your level aren't complete push over.

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There's nothing to do except grind for slightly better gear and fashion.

They keep releasing these small morsels of content that are good but take a day or two to play through.

I didn't like it because of one simple thing
While I was level one, other people who were level one looked badass as fuck
I liked mmorpgs more when you could tell how strong/well farmed someone is by his equipment
(like in metin2 for example)

>>378666905
Back then this was the case but now they just have a shitload of mostly ugly gemstore outfits which are account unlocks so everyone just runs around with these. It also completely destroys the class or at least armor weight specific visuals they had cause outfits all look the same across all classes.

>>378662987
Wildstar, TERA, Revaluation Online, Rift, Aion, and Echo of Soul just off the top of my head. And that doesn't include all the wow private servers.

>>378667386
Is Wildstar still alive?
It seemed like a pretty big thing back when it came out but I haven't heard anything about it for years now.

>>378667386
>Rift
Rift isn't better than anything

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>>378667386
>>378667505
Rift killed itself

>>378667505
It's miles ahead of gw2. Somehow, the lategame grind in Rift is better, and I don't even know how the fuck that's possible. GW2 is just that big a pile of shit. The rifts are better than world events, and invasions and open pvp zones in rift are all MILES ahead

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>>378661870
SAB and the jumping puzzles in the game are by far my favorite part of the game. I legitimately quit on the spot when that niggerfaggot dev said they will not add any new content to SAB. Good riddance.

>>378667768
go back to work archonix

>>378667847
World 3 next year surely. Josh Foreman was just busy with Draconis Mons this year since there was only a month between the releases.

>>378667850
Herp derp. Rift raiding scene is so far ahead of that bullshit that gw2 calls raids that it isn't even fair to compare them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV6dsHKHN-E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kepQb4KoJ8

>tfw I never got into mmos when they were still relevant
>tfw theres never going to be anything worth getting ever again

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>>378667157
This shouldn't be allowed.

>>378668053
I was under the impression that they stated they weren't making world 3 ever. You're getting my hopes up over here.

>>378668157
you didn't miss much

>>378668178
gotta love microtransactions

pay up for that epic new skin anon!! it has awesome particle effects for a true gamer (tm) just like you

>>378668240
I only remember them announcing that there won't be an update when it came back this year, nothing on future possibilities.

>>378665965
because at least asura are still close to human body types, just smaller. Charr are a fucking mess because they have a run animation that means armor has to rig differently, their bodies aren't suited for nearly any armor set in the game and their tails and horns require armor to be crafted specifically to fit them (they still don't)
playable charr was a mistake but the gw2 subreddit and the forums (the only places they listen to) will never hear a word of it

>>378666074
God damn, this is 100% correct. Even if I like the game I cannot refute any single point. Its all true. The fucked up thing about it is, there aren't really any better MMOs any more.

>>378668501
Asura have a different animation rig too, though

>>378668154
doesn't give it an excuse to be a shit on every other aspects of the game

>>378668616
yeah but they're nowhere near as different to humans as the charr are. Usually you can just shrink the human male version of armor and give it to asura with barely any changes but charr require more specialised attention

>>378668734
Ok then. Rift pvp is better, the overworld is much better due to rifts, invasions that will actually kill everything if not fought back, instances, and crafting.

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>>378668178
Festival hats are ok because you actually have to transmute them and can still mix and match.
I'm talking about the cancer outfit sets.
>>378668501
GW2 just need much much more cultural armor sets. Charr cultural sets look good because it's actually tailored to them and not just a human armor set stretched over their bodies. Norn also suffer from this problem even though they're mostly human looking because most of the armor just doesn't fit their viking aesthethics. And salads look weird in anything but their cultural leafy armor.

thought this game was dead
Whats the population of the game

>>378668501
Reddit was a mistake. Its not just GW2 devs that do this, but practically every dev these days. I've watched game studios completely wreck their games because of listening to reddit circle jerks. Then they wonder why their games crash and burn and end up being lifeless husks of what could have been.

>>378668963
>make Sylvari caster
>wear HoM light armor
>look like garbage
disappointment of the century

>>378669050
surprisingly huge actually

>>378669050
No idea about absolute numbers but it's pretty alive in the newer zones because of megaservers. It also has an expac on the way.

>>378669138
>huge

Its not that big. It just looks like it does because of the overflow server obfuscation.

>>378669376
whatever it is it is sufficient to fund a new expac and far from dead

If you want a ded mmo example just enter a hub in wildstar

>>378653485
Yup, I preordered HoT and after two days of playing I gave up. Doesn't surprise me that GW2 is being run by inexperienced people.

>>378669726
>preorder

no one to blame but yourself

Because ANET are fucking hacks. I actually liked the promise of an MMO with no endgame grind, just purely cosmetic stuff. The idea of only working towards cosmetics was actually a good idea.

Except then they released ascended armor, which takes something like 500 gold to complete. And one set of optimal runes can set you back another couple hundred gold. And basically every armor set they release is on the cash shop. And you can't even really experiment with different costumes that much, since the only way to consistently acquire transmutation charges is through there cash shop. Playing GW2 literally feels like you are playing a F2P game (I can't imagine how bad it feels to play the game if you are actually playing the F2P version).

And the kicker is that they insist that there is no grind, because instead of there being one fast way to acquire gold, they nerf everything and then slap on diminishing returns to everything, so the 'optimal' way to grind is to do the same routine of there tedious and shit minigames every day, but it isn't a grind because you aren't doing the same thing for hours on end. Literally the only people this game still appeals are whales who are going to spend thousands of dollars buying wings and other pointless skins.

>>378669695
ANet is owned by NCSoft. From what I'm hearing, this is GW2's last chance. Their numbers have been mediocre. Not enough to cause a loss in profit, mind you. But it is enough for NCSoft execs to pull the plug like they did with CoH, which was still making a profit at the time of closing down. If their new expansion doesn't pull numbers they're looking for, the writing is on the wall. They're not happy with GW2's revenue in 2016.

>>378668893
rift pvp sucks, the overworld is ugly[empty, dead, just some random pack of monsters for your "kill 12 kobold" quest], invasions and rifts sucks, they are always repetitive, weak. Instances follow the same path of emptyness and uglyness as the openworld, and crafting just sucks.

Rift's a random wow clone that try to pretend it has a ton of shit to offer while it's just pure garbage once you actually played the game

Now please, go lvl your primalist kek, worst class ever

>>378669050
what i ahte the most in GW2 is the addition of new races. not because of /pol reasons, but becuase it just simplified the story, retconned a lot of things and made one of the things i hate the most about gw2.

no. class. armors.
i totally fucking hate it, i loved how you were able to distinguish between classes in original GW, but here everyone one looks very similar to each other (of one armor type) and mostly tasteless

>>378670270
They made that worse because everyone can just wear the same outfits now that warriors and mesmers can look exactly the same when standing still.

>>378642992
Shit controls

>>378651238
thats most peoples biggest bitch...its to easy until its not...then they quit cause spamming whatever will get you 40...after that the difficulty ramps up and most classes have to put some thought into builds and abilities....theres still EZmode classes that as long as you dont fuck up your attributes though like templar that literally spam one attack that people play and say the games ezmode

>>378670270
>>378670487
they did this shit in SWTOR and it was the final nail for me

>>378670135
Q1 of 2017 was the worst period for GW2, lowest profits even compared to great content drought of mid 2016. at this point i dont belive in GW3. but that's ok. it would probably even worse than GW2. lets hope they will close lore decently

>>378670580
i disagree. gw2 has really good controls and as i said in one of the previous posts it is much better as a 3d platformer than mmorpg

>>378671274
>GW2 could've been an awesome platformer action game if not for the ancient engine that can't even do moving platforms.

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today i will remind them

>>378671274
imagine gw3 is a moba

but it uses original gw system instead of gw2 system

how would /v feel?

>>378671553
What did /v/ do?

>>378671639
so it's gw 1 like it was meant to be ?

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>>378642992
>best mmo
>pic unrelated

well you only got like two options for an mmo:
FFXIV which is World of Warcraft and pretty shit if it didn't have that FF coat of paint. There is nothing else to it, the devs want it to be World of Warcraft, but they are managing to capture all the shittiest laziest ideas. All my friends quit it realizing it won't live up to be its own thing or a proper sequel to FFXI

As much as you see threads being posted about it, the game is pretty dead. You'll get on it and it'll be just like vindictus where you are expected to SOLO everything cause all the players are at the peak of the newest content and all the old content is made obsolete. The only thing you do is grind and grind, only to grind and grind some more with artificial limiters to extend how long you must grind. Cause that is the idea of "endgame" to these fags.

BDO is more like old school MMOs, but everyone likes casual shit WoW at this point. By old school I'm referring to shit like Starwars Galaxies, Mabinogi, and other such sandbox games.

It would be like telling people to get on Morrowind when they only know Skyrim.


SWTOR and Guildwars2 are just horrible bad games.
SWTOR has better story writting than Guildwars2 and that isn't saying much cause they are still both shit.

Guildwars2 has a very nice UI and outside of that the game BLOWS DICK.

SWTOR atleast has that cool space flight fighting game you can do in it, Guildwars2 is still this do nothing broken mess and bastardized vision of the original developers.


TL;DR

BDO is the best mmo out right now. It breaks away from all the bullshit gear grinding "endgame" treadmill shit everyone is used to since their first mmo WoW.

FFXIV is the only acceptable other option, though I'm just a bitter faggot cause I was hoping for it to be more like FFXI than WoW.

Anything else is SHIT much like your taste in all categorize.

>>378671639
I want a GW single player game.
I like the lore and setting but I don't want to bother with all the bullshit that comes with it being an MMO.

>>378671429
oh wow, it lacks one typical element of platformer, but does so many things right, yet it so fucking shit.

i still disagree, i think it has nice really controls, nice level design of newer areas and some really challenging (sometimes a bit frustrating, because of not-fun reasons) jumping puzzles

>>378671639
Wouldn't be surprised. The way they decided to scrap everything to become a WoW-lite clone shows they'd do it again for the moba craze.

>>378672049
What, I'm not that anon.
I'm just saying we will never have stuff like fighting the dragons while standing on them because the engine is too ancient.

>>378642992
The most disappointing MMO I've ever gotten invested into tbqh. The campaign and grinding was done so well then the endgame content is a dumpster fire.

>>378671961
well to be honest wasn't aspenwood a bit like moba. i havent really played it in a decade so i forgot a bit

>>378672004
BDO is trash, and it still has an endgame gear grind, only there's an RNG element to it that permanently breaks your gear if you get unlucky

>>378672267
yeah a bit, but i meant it in the way that when they started working on gw 1 they only had arena pvp in mind

They could do a moba where there's only The Battle Isles

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>>378672267
yeah, aspenwood had one team assaulting with the other one defending.

if it was the fort one, you had spawn points that generated npcs to assault, while the other team just had to hold out.

either way it played better than a moba, cause mobas are garbage.

Are storage upgrades worth it? My storage is full and I could buy some gems I guess.

>>378670189
>rift pvp sucks
How? They are many playstyles for you to use. You can heal, I always played a warlock, which despite the name, felt noting like the wow version since you are managing 7 dots and can spread them. Gw2 has nothing like that, it's just zerg.

>>378672530
>implying endgame gear grind
>its just grinding to min/max
>necessary

>implying max level
>there is no max

its all there to fuck with fags

>>378670135
the "profit" it was making was like $10,000 a year on $1 million upkeep cost, literally 1% return and a downward trajectory. they saved more money than that by recycling the server hardware. but even if they hadn't, canning CoH was a rational decision because it was going to flip to a loss at any minute

>>378642992
Because there's literally nothing to do right now.