why do japs like to give main characters tiny muscles

Because Otaku want to self-insert and they can't do that with muscular characters. Hence the homogenization of anime protagonists towards black haired milquetoasts with zero personality that is also starting to infect games now.
Incidentally, nearly all the problems of the japanese entertainment could be solved by gassing otaku.

>>378622791
Its cute
I wanna nibble on them :333

Muscles aren't needed for anime bullshit attacks

Muscles are gay as fuck.

>>378623203
Wrong.

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You tell me.

>>378623334
he's right. big muscles are considered gay in japan and only gay dudes get big

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Over the years Cloud has gone from STICC to THICC, back to STICC then back to THICC

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>>378622791
Because the West already does that to all of their characters. Besides, not everyone gets roided out the moment they put on some muscle, some people are either bigger or leaner.

More realistic than the juiced up dudebros in our games.

>>378623576
>the bottom cloud
Now see that's the cloud worth playing as.

>>378622791
For skinny weeb DYEL faggot to self insert and think he is xXXcLoUdStrifexXx or xXxsephirothxXx

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>>378623948
Honestly I feel like he will be that buff by the end of the Remake

>>378622791
one has mako poisoning and the other's going through puberty

>>378622791
Because in japanese culture muscles = gay. I don't get it either, just look up hardo gay.

>>378623161
lol this

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Pandering to otakus and gays, sometimes fujoshies.
You see Link has no abs in pic relates

>>378626357
Same with facial hair. It's seen as an effeminate feature to have facial hair.

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>>378627125

>>378622791
Masculinity is seen and treated as a negative trait in japan because that leads to problems for the powers that be and society at large.

Also hyper muscularity is something that the average jap dude can't attain in his normal life, so the only ones that have it and don't live lives where that is the norm are people who go out of their way to attain it. And the people who worship muscularity in that society that looks down on it are the gays.

They've sort of got a whole "masculinity is bad but being effiminate weak and a slave is good" thing going now.

>>378622791
Muscles aren't attractive there.

>>378623525
>>>378623334
>he's right. big muscles are considered gay in japan and only gay dudes get big
It's gay everywhere. You ever been to /fit/?

>>378622791
Apparently girls find them hot, same thing with male kpop idols in Korea, they all have tiny muscles

>>378623525
>>378626357
>>378627378
What about Guts(Beserk), and Kenshiro(Hokuto no Ken)

Perfect balance between fujobait and manlet-self-insertable

>>378631637
male kpop idols are hot even for men

Cloud looks ripped and sora is a kid.

>>378623203
>>378623525

My time with /fit/ supports this idea

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>>378623576
Even Prompto has more muscle than Cloud.

>>378622791
In Japan, muscles are considered gay. Admitting to like JoJo for example is a coming out there.

>>378634946
t. faggot

>>378623576
I fucking love the way Link looks in Nomura's style. I wish he'd draw more.

>>378633131
no they're not

>>378623948
That's just Kirby after absorbing Cloud.

>>378623485
I think it's generally agreed upon that RE5 Chris's absurd muscles were more funny than anything.

>>378634946
it's coming out if you admit it over here too

>>378622791
>Character has normal arms
> WHY NO MUSCLES OMG I NEED MORE MUSCLES WHERE ARE THE MUSCLES MAN JEEZ I COULD REALLY GO LOOKING AT SOME MANLY MUSCLES

Tip: You are not straight.

>>378622791
The left one is not even tiny, and the right one is a normal kid who looks his age. Why would you want a muscleSora?

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Japs can't make gains. And most fiction like Kingdom Hearts or the bulk of anime is aimed at little boys. Little boys definitely can't make gains and need a protag they can relate to. Which is why Super Goku not only acts like a little boy but is now built like one too.

Sexual appeal to women, self-insert for men, not as unsettling for young children.

>>378635269
Well a normal person cannot swing around heavy weapons and fight crowds of people/monsters, it should be expected for them to look strong.

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>>378622791
Isn't Sora 15 y.o.? Most boys in that age look like that.

However, Cloud is an adult, but he represents the current japanese male beauty ideal: skinny, stylish (according to them, at least) haircut, cuteboy face.

Bishounen is the hottest thing over there, just like a muscular black man is the anglo-world male beauty ideal.

>>378636808
A Keyblade is not just light, but it's also a fucking magical weapon, why is it so impossible that a kid could use it to kill magical monsters?

>>378636932
>just like a muscular black man is the anglo-world male beauty ideal.
Only in usan big cities.

>>378634946
But JoJo designs get progressively less muscular in each Part.

To the point that the JoJo in Part 7 literally has atrophied legs.

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>>378635739
>Japs can't make gains.
Koreans can, no wonder they're the master race of Asia,

>>378635269
>These are normal arms
dude...

>>378622791
Anything Nomura makes tends to be like that.

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>>378623334

>>378636994
I wasn't focusing my attention just on the ones mentioned above, sure there are cases like Kingdom hearts where it's fine as the game isn't too serious, but for most games it just looks silly from my western eyes. Just imagine how much Cloud's sword weighs.

>>378637161
It's a slow shift in culture, the japanese are slowly adopting western ideas. It gets less muscly, but at the same time gets more traditional western style gay, instead of muscle-gay. Johnny and Gyro are in a gay relationship.
tl;dr JoJo is still gay, but more in a western way and less in a japanese way.

>>378627125
This is true. I'm gay and living in Japan, all the gays have facial hair

>>378637593
He said it doesn't weigh as much as it looks to Aerith. Also Cloud was injected with maco or Jehova cells or whatever, which explain the superhuman feats without the proper muscles. Most setting has a handwavy explaination for stuff like this.

Because they're children and teenagers.

>>378627125
>an effeminate feature to have facial hair
True, all women here have beards.

>>378635739
This isn't true. Just go to any gym and you'll see fit Japanese guys

>>378637824
>Johnny and Gyro are in a gay relationship.
Sounds like projection to me.

I can't imagine what kind of romantic undertones you were reading in SBR.

Do you not have many friends?

>>378623576
I like the way Kirby just doesn't give a fuck about this whole situation

>>378623948
Bottom Cloud is indeed less gay than the other. Much better even

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>>378638270
But can he turn Super Saiyan Blue?

>>378638070
they still have really small frames. can't change genetics

>>378637076
>Only in usan big cities.
London too from my observations (jamaicans are huge slayers there), but I was indeed thinking more about Los Angeles and NYC. Anglo media (mostly american, but also the BBC) portrays them as the epitome of masculinity too. I don't even need to talk about porn.

Even in children's cartoon the black guy is often the tallest and manliest one (see Cyborg from Teen Titans, Aqualad from Young Justice, the black dude from A.T.O.M), even though black americans are shorter than their white counterparts.

>>378638448
>even though black americans are shorter than their white counterparts.
Is this true? I always thought the avarage black is taller than avarage white. Isn't that why more blacks are in basketball, where height is really important?

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>>378638661
As a non-american, I used to think the same thing because of american media, but african-americans are slightly shorter than white americans.

>>378638035
>20-30 year olds are children
okay.

>>378639218
No, they are teenagers.

>>378638661
its true. in africa, not a lot of blacks are over 6 feet here

>>378638972
Huh, it's intresting. I live in Eastern Europe and only ever seen like 2-3 blacks in real life and always assumed they are taller on avarage. Fucking media.

>>378623110
>gassing otaku
This so much

>>378623110
>Japanese main characters usually have extremely idealised, good looking designs
>"the otaku can completely self insert in that, BUT if the characters also had another idealised trait like being muscly they suddenly couldn't self insert

Are you seriously this retarded? These characters look exactly like the popular, cool guys look in Japan, not how the otaku looks like.

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>>378639525
It's also worthy of note that aframs are descendants of west africans, afaik (excluding pygmys) west africans are the tallest group of blacks in Africa, 2nd only to some ethnic groups from South Sudan.

Meanwhile, white americans are a mix of many european nationalities, but mostly british, irish and germans, who are tall, but not the tallest in Europe. If the average white american was a mix of a swede with a serbian, you can be sure their average height would be surely above 180cm.

>>378639392
Most africans immigrants in my country are around 170cm/5'7'' or shorter, but poverty and poor nutrition in their home countries keep them from growing taller desu. With an american-like diet, they would probably get really close to african-americans, at least west africans.

>>378637910
Faggot attraction to muscles and facial hair are the biggest proof that those are highly masculine and desirable male traits.

Same reason why most straight men prefer women with large breasts, because it's a highly feminine feature.

>>378623110
Nope, the 'pretty boy' appearance is generally the idealized form of male attractiveness for the typical Japanese girls.
They prefer tall, smooth skin, graceful appearance, and slender frame. and with high emphasis on 'beautiful' particularly for the face, which would typically have slender somewhat feminine appearance.

>>378644330
Then in contrast, why do gay males only like feminine boys?

>>378644330
>but these games aren't necessarily made for girls to oggle.
Women have always dictated what the ideal man looked like. If next week they decided they liked top hats on men, top hats would be sold out everywhere.

>>378644820
pretty sure most gay men like /fit/. Its a popular American stereotype that older men that suddenly takes up weight lifting have a high chances of being gay.

>>378622791
more like why they give them such retarded hair