why is this allowed?

>>378570327
So both animators used the same meme video for their dance, wew.

>>378570327
Yes, Overwatch doesn't have an original bone in it's body. Everybody should know this by now, why do you think it's news?

jews desu

I'll see myself out

>>/pol/

They're both based on some aerobic video, all the overwatch dances are based on real things just like in WoW

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Does anyone actually unironically enjoy Overwatch? I thought it was just a giant shitty meme.

>>378570327
They both recreated an old 80's/90's dance

>>378570327
>Overwatchfags will defend this

Funny how they did a better job of animating it in TF2.

>what is an homage

https://youtu.be/mPeE7-D8Jow?t=30

>Blizzard ripping off others stuff

STOP THE PRESSES.

>overwatch copied TF2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRscYVvEFt8&t=14s

Just kys yourself.

>>378570597
The TF2 version of the aerobic championship dance sucks, it's like you don't know how to dance.

>>378570524
social media influencers are Enjoying It #sponsored
some of them are cute girls
it must be really good, I should play it

>>378570763
You're telling me Zarya's rigid-ass movements are better? lolno

Zarya and Sombra objectively have the best dance emotes

I almost wish I actually used the emote button more than once every nine months so I could justify spending 1,500 gold on them instead of the skins

>reinhardt will never dance waltz with you

>>378570630

>Dva's is the dance from the Voltron Robot Chicken sketch

fuck I knew it looked familiar

>>378570597
It's because Blizzard can't hire competent animators.
Normalfags are easily impressed by their shorts because they use a lot of the animation equivalent of lens-flares and color filters.

>>378570453
And TF2 does?

>>378570912
It's not supposed to be that fluid. There's a lot of pop and lock.

>>378570810
This should be the Reaper's dance

>>378570327
>uses a dance choreography created before tf2
WOW WAY TO COPY TF2
>uses a bodybuilder pose created before tf2
WOW WAY TO COPY TF2
>payload map type which tf2 didn't even invent
WOW WAY TO COPY TF2

>>378570759
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k-Dd71CqnM

>>378570524
>I thought it was just a giant shitty meme.

Stop listening to /v/, you should know better

>>378570630
They look like they were animated by fans in source filmmaker and most of them don't even suit the characters.

>>378570524
Its alright if you don't play competitive. Not worth 40$. Most of the pricetag is for the usual blizzard polish and shine. Gameplay leaves a lot to be desired and the meta is horrible.

>>378571073
It's supposed to be rigid, janky ass shit?
That's some shitty dance.

>>378570327
Why are TF2 niggers so jealous about Overwatch being popular?

>TF2fags this triggered
This is sad. Though I guess the only way to have a TF2 thread these days is to leech off Overwatch to discuss it.

>>378570472
You're not wrong. Stay here. 4chan is a /pol/ colony anyway


Overwatch is for casual sjw's

>>378571243
>>378571247
You were the ones triggered enough to reply since you're jealous your shit game is unoriginal as fuck

>>378571214
Yeah hi welcome to the 80s-90s.

>>378570453
You say overwatch don't have an original bones in his body, but let me remind you that 70% of TF2 content were made by the community workshop : Maps, Cosmetic, Weapon, most of them are from the workshop. Valve are not original.

>>378571153
>They look like they were animated by fans in source filmmaker
Not really

>>378570327
>neither one original
>both communities full of shitters
Everyone loses

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>>378571247
>WHY ARE YOU SO MAD RRRRRRRRRRRRR

You're not fooling anyone, opie.

>>378571098
TF2 was the first game to use all of those in a single product. Overwatch didn't copy the source, it copied the whole arrangement that TF2 collected.

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>>378570327
>>378570453
>>378570550
Uh, Blizzard has always been "plagiarize what is popular right now but make it better." They don't deny that, in fact some of the developers brag about that.

Where do you think flagship series such as Diablo, Starcraft, and World of Warcraft came from? All of these games were plagiarized from popular formulas. Starcraft was a plagiarism of the RTS genre and WH40k, WoW was a plagiarism of Everquest, Diablo 2 was a plagiarism of X-COM/D&D/Nethack/Tolkien.

Blizzard has been pretty open about this and the only reason you wouldn't know it is if you're underage. Lately they've been failing to deliver on the "..but make it better" part of the "steal it and make it better" concept, but they're still attempting to do that. Do you really think Blizzard touts Heroes of the Storm as a "COMPLETELY ORIGINAL IDEA DO NOT STEAL," or don't you think they sell it as an obvious LoL clone that they hoped would be better? Do you really think Hearthstone is supposed to be "COMPELTELY ORIGINAL DO NOT STEAL," or do you think it's supposed to be a computerized, streamlined MtG clone that targets the same audience?

I'm not defending Overwatch, because it's a bad game for a # of reasons. But to act like Blizzard has always been some kind of bastion of originality is utterly stupid. Blizzard has always been a plagiarizer company and they've never been shy about admitting this.

yes, a dance is owned by a single video game

>>378571098
>Its j-just a coincidence!

>>378571689
>Diablo 2 was a plagiarism of X-COM/D&D/Nethack/Tolkien
This is some of the dumbest shit I've ever read

I don't disagree with you on the rest, just this.

>>378571619
Since when is aggregating something unique?
>>378571725
there were map objectives akin to payload in enemy territory quake wars a whole year before tf2 had payload maps

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>>378571791
>This is some of the dumbest shit I've ever read
IT'S LITERALLY IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT COMMENTARY YOU RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT

List of IPs Ocerwatch stole from not including homages like skins and trinkets; but actual story, character designs, and gameplay:
Stormwatch/Wildstorm
Velocity
Taimanin Asagi
Dirty Bomb
Team Fortress
Street Fighter
Quake

>>378571902
Not an argument

Why is there no music for Zarya's taunt? Aerobics is rhythmic and looks stupid with no music

>>378571315
Overwatch is for porn.

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>>378571937
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I'm pretty sure pharah's emote where she spin her weapon is a copy of another soldier taunt and torbjorn "laugh" emote is a copy of engineer taunt.

>>378571949
OW porn sucks though

>>378571907
>Taimanin Asagi
Jesus christ, I fucking wish.

>>378571941
There's no music for any of them, except for Pharah's because she's playing a guitar.

>>378570327
Can overwatch copy the Kazotsky kick next?
i wanna see both these fucks dance with each other

>>378572031
Is her emote where she does a spinning jump with fist in the air just a blatant copy of a shoryuken?

>>378571902
Combining 4 things and adding something (action element) is not plagiarism.

>>378571689
FUCKING THIS

Their flagship IP warcraft, was originally a warhammer game but they got the license taken away, so they just released it and changed some shit up.

Not only that, if you were around during the big MMO boom you'll notice that any little gimmick a new MMO was coming out with, Blizzard would steal if for WoW. Achievements and Titles? Warhammer: Age of Reckoning. Keep Seiges and warmachines? Age of Conan. Flying mounts? Aion.

>>378571689
>casual the fuck out of genres
>making it better

The differences are simple.

One is boring trash with a shit community and everything is about Hats.

One is boring trash with a shit community and everything is about diverse equality and tolerance.

reminder that WoW started all of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWCJPyQ_YNk

>>378570524
ask the 30M users faggot

>>378571791
.............Are you fucking stupid? David Breivik talks at length about his inspirations and lists all those.

The 2 large influences were Moria and Angband but I know you faggot 15 year olds on /v/ don't know what those are so I omitted those; also, those weren't highly popular games at the release of Diablo 2 specifically, so it was pointless to list those because of the point I was making with my post. I listed more popular and more minor influences instead that still backed up my point.

>>378572165
What's Lia looking like now?

Last time I checked she grew some nice tits

>>378572191
You could dance in Everquest.

>>378570524
It was fun for a while but when you realize theres a very low skill ceiling it gets boring fast
plus the movement is shitty

>>378570524
it's fun with friends. which is what the average /v/irgin has 0 of

>>378572307
plagiarism =/= inspiration/influences

>>378571487
>implying you'll ever get enough credits to fill a bowl from white and blue dupes

FUCK YOU JEFF I'M STARVING

>>378572182
Whether you agree or disagree that Blizzard is actually accomplishing the goal, it doesn't change the fact that that is their publicly-stated design philosophy. I won't be able to find it now but there is a developer interview video somewhere where a Blizzard North developer is talking about how they "steal it and add the Blizzard touch," which was a strategy that worked for all of their most important and best-selling franchises.

>>378571432
Use your eyes dumbass.

Some of the animations are off-putting.
>>378571153
Hes right too, most of the dances I don't fit the characters at all. Bastion isn't doing the robot. Winston isn't doing the monkey.
McCree's, Widowmaker, Mei, Reaper and Roadhog's fit well. The rest are shitty or idc about them.

>>378571315
so what is an sjw exactly?

>>378572763
A proponent of political correctness, which you'd know if you were here before GG.

>>378572329
yes but they didn't reference any popular dance moves which wow popularized

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>>378570524
Sure, it's fun in comp mode and good for fucking around in other modes specially with the new custom servers. /v/'s level of salt towards this game is prob the best part of the whole experience though.

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>>378572409
Do you really think changing the wording to "inspired by TF2" would satisfy OP? Your annoying attention to detail adds nothing to this discussion..

The point is that Blizzard is not a completely original developer that releases all-new concepts and ideas. They have always been a company that "steals," or "gets inspired by" (whichever wording satisfies your autism) existing source material.

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>>378572191
OH WOW
most of those are blast from the past
they're so great and they fit so well
also, i prefers those dance because the reference are more known than the ones in overwatch which are more obscure.

ALSO THE ANIMATION QUALITY IS BETTER THAN THE DANCE IN OVERWATCH

>>378572848
Yeah they did.

>>378572763
a very sensitive joss whedon

>>378570524
I used to really like it but the prioritizing of loot box sales killed my enjoyment

>>378572919
Whatever, retard.

>>378572937
no they didn't

>>378573021
Die clown.

>>378571346
>cosmetics
>content

anon no

>>378573034
Yeah they did

>>378572735
>are off-putting.
I disagree, but lets assume they are. Which ones and why

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>>378570327
so with your thinking, there wouldn't be any video games are you fucking stupid? all kind of media is based in something books art music etc you fucking stupid fuck neck yourself.

>>378573039
Fuck you faggot what have you got against clowns?

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the only good dance in a video game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6omsDyFNlk

i remember watching moi lolita on much musics French kiss show way back when they actually had music videos

they couldnt even give soldier the thriller dance
bunch of retards blizzard are

>>378573082
no they didn't

>>378570524

I still enjoy TF2 and Overwatch from time to time, they play quite differently from each other so it's nice to go back and forth between them every so often.

>>378573171
>le nothing is original meme

Unoriginal people made that up to make themselves feel good about being uncreative sacks of shit.

>>378572892
why is there so much salt?
everything bitch about it is either:
1. old practices that they never bitch this much about before ($30 WoW horse mounts, recycled/copy animations in other games, etc)
2. the RNG in loot boxes

>>378573235
yeah they did.

>>378570524
How would one go about ironically enjoying it?

>>378573379
no they didn't

>>378573216
why would someone like 76 listen to Michael Jackson? We all know he only listens to dadrock.

>>378573419
duck season

>>378573150
All of them. They suck. Come play TF2 and CSGO with me

>>378570524
no one here likes video games

>>378570763
>>378571073
>>378571336
>I-IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK WORSE

>>378573216

Dad dancing is way better and more fitting

>>378572160
>Achievements and Titles? Warhammer: Age of Reckoning. Keep Seiges and warmachines? Age of Conan. Flying mounts? Aion.
You do realize that half of those things were in WoW before those games came out?

>>378573363
Because it's popular.

It's closer to arena fps than CoDs or Counter Strike ever were, so /v/ should be happy the whole mlg scene is going slightly in that direction.
But no, only plebs like it. Also it's a moba.

>>378572919
SO WHAT? What is your point? What if they're stealing?
Their games is good so your OPINION IS MOOT. What are you complaining about?

>>378573654
Did you even watch the dance video?

>>378570327
Just more evidence that Zanya is Soldier's granddaughter.

>>378573808
Animation isn't about copying things 1:1, it's about making them look like fluid and pleasing to the viewing.

>>378572160
>Flying mounts? Aion.
Aion came out almost 2 years after TBC did.

>>378570327
how come TF2 animation is way better than Overwatch?

>>378573216
I literally ever bothered to watch this. Holy fuck she got some moves.

>>378570524
this meme again. People dont autimatically think its shit because the autists on /v/. Its not a bad game to millions of people because you decided thats how its going to be

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>>378570327
>le stronk womyn pink haired dyke
How can anyone defend this shit game?

>>378573995
Developed personality for one and they take their fucking time on it for two.

>>378573479
no such thing

>>378574105
>they take their fucking time on it for two.
yeah and they end up shitting out garbage like MyM

>>378573654
It's not worse, it's just different. Do you think every dance needs to be The Waltz and that's all that's allowed?

>>378574045
Personally I think it's fine as a casual game.
But holy shit if people actually think it's a high skill capped comp game then there's something seriously wrong with its fanbase.

>>378573995
because tf2 has been around for some time

>>378573995

Because if TF2 periodically sent out electric shocks to your mouse and keyboard, you'd big it up as something it's better than overwatch at.

>>378570327

Blizzard currently does not own a single original IP that hasn't ripped off someone else's better idea.

Overwatch is the video game equivalent of a fidget spinner

>>378574079
Whatsmore, they always insist to show it on their retarded skin for her. Like, the recent skin she got has her hair in a disgusting blue when it would have been more fitting to simply have an helmet

Even though Overwatch clearly took inspiration from TF2, the games themselves play a good bit differently, have you guys even gone back and forth between TF2 and Overwatch?

Blizzard's still mad about the DOTA conflict.
>>378570327

>>378571791
It literally is that. They were tasked to clone xcom with elements from others. Somewhere along the way Blizzard said don't make it turn based, asked for extra money and time, and made it work within the night.

>>378574164
To be fair they shit the bed on that one but the game fixed itself soon after. I'm still fucking mad though, I loved Balloon Race servers. Now neither Tf2 nor OW has it.

>>378570524
its terribly designed game. Modern Blizzard doesnt know what is fun. Thats why nobody really pleased by any of their products. They sure spent a lot on marketing, hyping their games. But in the end, you easily get bored from them and there generally not much of a content. They dont know what is entertaining. They make pretty maps and characters, but terrible level design and balance. Its so hard to enjoy this game when matches so fast and you get irritated even more quickly, because of fast loosing due to shit picks of your team. I dont even know why kids pick Hanzo or Genji, characters not fun in this format, but your team end up losing.
I hate how Overwatch designed as console game. Low FOW and big hitboxes. Aiming in general direction of enemy is enough. Fast matches and simple aim is good enough playing on a couch after hard day at work, but on PC it doesnt work really well. Game is unexciting and cosmetics too hard to get and result usually unrewarding.
I try to enjoy this game so much, but cant. I played a lot of TF2 years ago and cant stop compare these two. TF2 felt so right, but in Overwatch even hitting enemy doesnt give you pleasure.
tldr: i tried to enjoy, but its just shit game and successful only due to heavy marketing.

>>378570515
What the hell is Genjis dance based on

>>378574257
Not an argument.

>>378570524
It's not 1:1 quake 3 so it's shit.

>>378573976
They're specific dance styles, if you don't animate true to the dance style, all you're doing is making a muddy animation.

>>378572735
>McCree's, Widowmaker, Mei, Reaper and Roadhog's fit well. The rest are shitty or idc about them.
What's wrong with Hanzo doing a traditional Japanese dance? Or Zenyatas dance for that matter

>>378574919
>if you don't animate true to the dance style, all you're doing is making a muddy animation.
So you're not allowed to vary the dance style at all even if the character himself would misinterpret or fuck it up? Like in Soldier's case where he thought the dance involved punching yourself in the face?
Get your head out of your ass.

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>>378574836
Probably a bunch of Kinjaz dance moves.

>>378572763
a communist puppet to take down the local capitalist system by dismanteling it from within. See racial and gender quotas for leading departements

>>378574836
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2UDHFnEvJc

>>378574836
it's based on kinjaz dance moves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny89_U90IWc

>>378570630
Does Dva have a dance outside her robot?

Is it the same as the dance in HOTS?

>>378574815
TF2 is an unrewarding game. Only weapon are dropped.

Also i miss the 90+ map of TF2, this game get boring fast BECAUSE there are not enough map AND character. It's repetitive, i wish there were character that were mixup between 2 to fight more specific composition or something.
I wish this game had as much character as Dota and Lol (knowing that Dota and Lol character are much more hard to balance and makes in general) and as much map as TF2

>>378570327
Man, Overwatch's animation is pretty bad on the joints. It looks like she barely moves her arms at all. There's no power behind her moves.

hahahaha 1 year later and the tfaggot pcbro is still mad

>>378575071
Way to move those goalposts.

I just don't care.
Valve has been ass fucking TF2 for years now. Especially after recent changes, there is no place for veteran TF2 players to enjoy the game like they used to any more.

>>378575225
no, she just does the heart break emote

>>378574079
Because Zarya and Sombra are best girls

>>378570327
Obviously the character from the right is the original. it looks better anyway in any way

>>378570630
>D.Va
>Voltron Robot Chicken dance

I like this.

>>378574815
This guy gets it

>>378575712
What a waste

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>>378570630
Something feels really bad about these animations. Also why is the chink doing Hare Hare Yukai instead of something Chinese?

>>378575868
>any way
>not every way
>Having the wrong opinion in the first place
The typical OW player everyone

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>>378570630
What's the music mercy is dancing to?

>>378571153
Yeah, it's like they're missing frames or something. It's really choppy.

>>378576207
Because someone had to do an anime dance

>>378576475
So why not the 2 Japanese characters

>>378570628
Then it would be an animation for Soldier then, not Pinked-Haired Dyke.

>>378570524

I really enjoyed TF2 years ago. It's still my most played game on Steam by 2000+ hours. I don't think I'll ever enjoy a game for as long as that. The party modes and general foolery you could do made it refreshing at every moment.

Then I got bored of it as the updates starting to aim harder and harder towards everyone's wallets.

Overwatch is similar but with less variety and more wallet grabbing.

>>378570327
NO NO NO NO NO

HOW DO THEY KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

THEY STEAL FROM THE GREATEST FPS OF ALL TIME AGAIN

AND THEY MAKE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OFF OF IT AGAIN

AND TF2 GETS FUCKED AGAIN BECAUSE BLIZZARD CAN'T STOP STEALING

WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE LIKE THIS VALVEBROS? WHY DOES BLIZZARD HAVE TO KEEP SUCKING THE LIFE AWAY FROM OUR GAME?

I BET WE'D STILL HAVE QUICKPLAY AND GOOD COMMUNITY SERVERS IF IT WEREN'T FOR THEM

IT'S NOT FAIR

>>378572248
Across consoles*
18 million in Korea*

>>378570327
Jesus the animation on overwatch looks god awful compare to TF2

>>378571153
>>378576459
You have no idea what you are talking about so stop complaining for the sake of complaining
>>378570630
Some dances are missing

>>378570630
soldiers is the best

>>378577329
Oh sorry, I forgot I shouldn't trust my lying eyes when it comes to Blizzard™ games

>>378576557
Because one of them is to traditional for that sort of thing and the other is a ninja

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TF2 players on suicide watch.

>>378576906
You can stop your falseflagging now, Blizzcuck.

>>378577445
There is nothing wrong with your eyes, just with your mind.

>>378577479
Havent played in years, but had maybe 3000 hours. Nah, I'd actually try to get into overwatch. But it's got the shit in it that ruined tf2 and cs series for me at release.

That animation OP posted is a straight up fucking rip though. I don't think bias is playing into it.

>>378570524
It's alright when you just need something to play for an hour.

Nothing will beat prime TF2 though. Makes me sad just remembering it.

>>378578194
> Blizzard steals from TF2 and gets a gorillion dollars
> TF2 suffers as Valve attempts to compete with a Wal-Mart FPS

He's fucking right, you know. There's a reason Valve is nerfing all the fun weapons- it's because they're trying to turn the game's balance from a bunch of customizable loadouts to a few small meta ones ("heroes"). It's also why TF2 is running on a skeleton crew, and why MyM happpened.

Blizzard's shit is actively making TF2 worse.

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>>378572248
>quantity=quality
best meme there is in the world

>>378570327
both of the dances are based on the exact same irl dance so whats the big deal?

>>378570453
Blizzard in general. They haven't had an original game for more than a decade or two, they just copy everyone else's shit.

>>378574815
The maps are also stupidly dull and bland.
TF2 had amazing maps with different routes for each of the 9 classes to access and play around.
But since overwatch has a fuck ton of characters it's impossible to balance the map around all of them so it ends up a generic fuckfest of corridors and crutchpoints.

>>378578919
>That animation OP posted is a straight up fucking rip though. I don't think bias is playing into it.
And the TF2 mannrobics animations are too.

>>378574815
>Its so hard to enjoy this game when matches so fast and you get irritated even more quickly, because of fast loosing due to shit picks of your team. I dont even know why kids pick Hanzo or Genji, characters not fun in this format, but your team end up losing.
>implying TF2 didn't have shit picks as well

> Low FOW and big hitboxes
The hitboxes are the same size as TF2. Also nice to know you think FOV makes something a "console shooter" and not auto aim and health regen

>>378579719
>fuckfest of corridors and crutchpoints.
I just got done playing one of the newer maps from TF2 and its designed the same way as an OW map

>>378570327
>funny dance
>looks good when done by the tf2 character
>makes 0 sense for the a character with big robot legs

>>378577142
looks much closer and true to the source than that brony game shit

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>>378570327
>letting someone copy your schoolwork EVER
way to be a cuck that people only keep around to leech off of.

>>378580091
>I just got done playing one of the newer maps from TF2 and its designed the same way as an OW map
So it's small as fuck with mostly choke points and only one or two flank arounds?

>>378571315
>4chan is a /pol/ colony
And /pol/ is a reddit colony. PRAISE KEK

>>378580346
>So it's small as fuck with mostly choke points and only one or two flank arounds?
Let me reiterate/
One flank around at most. Everything else is a choke point.

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>>378571098
What game did payload before TF2? I'm pretty sure it was the end result of hashing out TFC's hunted gamemode.

>>378573216
it looks good when i speed it 1.5 times

>>378580346
Yep, Swiftwater

The only flanking points were tight as fuck corridors

>>378580424
And reddit is a digg colony

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>>378570327
coming soon to overwatch. brought to you by 10cent

>>378571907
>Street Fighter
What the fuck did Overwatch steal from SF?

>>378570630
>>378576207
its because they're racialnormative

>>378575324
>TF2 is an unrewarding game

It's pretty fucking rewarding when you get three mantread kills in a row or airblast half the enemy team off the edge at once. Overwatch is unsatisfying as fuck. You either unlock a skin that'll either look like shit or be for a hero you don't play, or you play a game that consist of you playing a game that gives off a massive deja vu vibe.

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>>378570524
I like playing Clint Eastwood because it's fun dunking on fools by having good aim

Also getting anything over a three-man High Noon is really fucking satisfying

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>>378581301
This. Rewarding is when you get an insane kill on a gimmicky weapon, or a 5-man kill streak while surrounded by the enemy team. Not pressing a button on a keyboard and letting the game handhold you as it kills another player that happens to pass your cross-hair.

>there are approximately 75,000 sprays in the game
>they are each worth 5 coins
>I keep getting the same three over and over

On the plus side, by this time next year I should have enough currency to buy a nice new voice emote or a skin I don't really want for a character I never play.

>>378581606
There's only three heroes that i can think of when it comes to satisfying kills that don't involve their ults, and they all involve getting pushed off a hill to your death. Seems pretty fucking stilted.

At least there's always laughing at people foaming at the mouth because of Junkrat.

>>378580424
The kek thing started by /pol/ you dumbass. It just became too mainstream

>>378572735
>Bastion isn't doing the robot. Winston isn't doing the monkey.

Seems like your only complaint is that they're avoiding low hanging fruit.

>>378580485
>The only flanking points were tight as fuck corridors
Not really:

First point, flanks are all in an open area.

Second point, you have two flanks: one right next to the path of the Payload in the cave which leads into an open area and even the cave itself does have some wiggle room, and the other going through the house which has a door that only opens from one side so BLU can choose when to use said flank route, plus that flank route has a window that lets you drop down into said open area. The latter also leads right into the bridge overlooking the entire second point.

Third point has mostly chokes everywhere including the Payload route, but it still has that flank route through the house, which now goes to the left, where you have a relatively open room and you are immediately on high ground when compared to the access RED gets to that area. You also get a balcony overlooking some of the point.

Fourth and fifth point I will agree that they suck. They provide little flank routes, especially fourth (though to be fair Engies also have a lot of trouble defending such an open area), while fifth only gives you one flank route that isn't a tight space.

But still. My point with this whole thing is that I played Overwatch too, and my problem with flank routes in that game was not only that they were tight spaces, but also that they often lead to nowhere. Between, say, Swiftwater and that London map I can't even be bothered to remember the name of, I'd gladly take Swiftwater. Most heroes in Overwatch are relatively slower to TF2 classes too, so it feels like a chore to go through any flank at all there.

>decade old game stagnates to homer's 10-foot hoagie level
>another dev seizes the opportunity and revitalizes the neglected genre
IT'S TF3 LELLELLELLEL
>colorful cast of characters that isn't a complete sausage fest of deranged same-faced men
BLIZZ-KEKS ARE CATERING TO THE SJWS!
>heroes have highly varied playstyles, not all requiring a precise aim or 2 decades of experience playing fps games
CASUAL PARTY GAME FOR LET'S PLAYER TIER FAGGOTS AND GURL GAMERS

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>>378572248
Good bait
They're mostly normie scum with no taste.
But to be fair, same with TF2

>>378582770
dont forget SJWs

>>378581961
>At least there's always laughing at people foaming at the mouth because of Junkrat.

>Rein blocking while I walk behind him launching grenades at anything that moves
>Lucio providing heals/bomping anything stupid enough to get close
>McCree lagging behind, picking off anything that my bombs don't kill

Fastest game of CtF I've ever played. We pretty much shit on the other team, running laps from one base to the other. I'm pretty sure the Lady Pooinloo guarding our base got so bored that she started molesting her own turrets.

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>>378575071

Fucking Soldier holy shit, he's great.

>>378582760
>Strawman: the post

>>378571346
>Because this one company isn't original justifies my favorite companies unoriginality.

They're both based on the same dance but the Soldier's adds a unique flair where he punches himself in the head to get the blood pumping. Just like how both OW and TF2 use archetypes as characters, but TF2 isn't afraid to let loose with them for domination lines, insults, etc. Meanwhile OW characters pour each other lemonade and ask for autographs.

>>378571689
Heroes of the Storm is nothing like LoL though.

>>378574079
honestly zarya is just a man but they had to make her a woman for marketing reasons.
She's a fake character that couldn't really exist in real life at all.

>>378585847
Which explains the lack of porn

>>378586514
>She's a fake character that couldn't really exist in real life at all.
You implying that anyone in overwatch or tf2 is a real character who can exist in real life?

What the hell does your complain even mean

>>378576557
they're both male

>>378577115
It actually sold WAY worse on consoles than on PC, even they don't have lower standards than Blizzfags

>>378570524
dumb frogposter

>>378570453
Gorilla from the moon is a scientist and fights people with a tesla cannon.

>>378575635
That's the thing, there's hardly a veteran userbase. They need to appeal to BRs that save up all year to buy a key.

>>378570524
my gf plays so i have to play it

>>378586514
As opposed to Winston, Reaper, Tracer and Genji right?

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>>378579336
still don't understand they don't revamp tf2 to a point they can sell it as a new game with everybody starting collecting hats and shit from scratch. would make more sense than fondle the beaten corspe that is tf2 and it's engine...

>Mystery Heroes
>their team has 1-2 healers, 1-2 tanks, and a couple of the best damage dealers, basically given an actual team composition
>your team is 6 characters with no self healing and nobody knows how to aim
Every fucking time

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>>378580424
soon we will all be one. 4chan, Reddit, YouTube untie to become one great cancer.

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>>378580091
>you think FOV makes something a "console shooter" and not auto aim and health regen

>>378571487
I needed this picture. Thanks.

>>378570524
i only enjoy it when i play junkrat or playing REinhardt while blasting Sabaton and doing nothing but fighting the enemy reinhardt

>>378571907
don't forget SuperMNC. There's quite a bit lifted from that game, but no one cares about it because UberEnt killed the game before it could walk.

>>378570524
I enjoyed Overwatch because I hadn't played TF2 since 2011, so I'd forgotten what a shooter is supposed to play like.
After playing Quake Champions I realized how utterly shit Overwatch really is. How painfully slow the character movement is, how little actions and decisions can be made at any given point and just how utterly dull the entire game feels.
Everything from the simplistic maps, retard-tier character abilities, game modes, team fights that play out almost exactly the same way every fucking time, the stale meta of like 5 top-tier characters that will be present in every platinum+ ranked game ever.

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>>378570327
Yeah, it really boggles the mind.

>>378572248
>It's a retard who thinks 30 millions """""""""users""""""""" equals to 30 million copies sold
Most of the users were gained during the Free Betas and I bet most of them didn't end up buying the game.

>>378570327
Reminder that tf2 is trash.

>>378570327
>nigger memes
I fucking hate facebook.

>>378577473
the ninja actually being an actual weeb

>>378580091
it's possible to carry a team of 12 or even 16 in TF2.

It's not possible to carry a team of 6 in OW, unless you're a top 50 Tracer/Genji/Widow

>>378593063
Like music to my ears.
I'd love to stick my fat fingers in your face and laugh at you in real life. I love seeing /v/ get so angry over a popular game.

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>>378571720
>implying this cant be

>>378593701
You can solo carry if you're playing against people who are 1k+ mmr lower than you.

>>378570630
>Hare Hare Yukai
Fucking hell I teared up. It's been too long.

>>378593837
I'm actually playing Overwatch, retard. That doesn't mean I won't admit that the statistic is complete bullshit.

>>378593063
Alright fine, I'll be generous and subtract ten million and assume they're all from beta players and smurf accounts. That's still twenty million active players. Are you just going to ignore that?

>>378580289
Yeah. And because in tf2 the soldier does it differently which shows that he has some semblance of personality and not just a "hehe get the reference" joke makes it bad. Right on brother.

>>378594064
Oh yeah, I haven't heard that before.
>god, this game is awful and dead
>you're retarded
>b-b-but it's just a valid criticism! I actually like this game!

>>378570524
No, but then again I never enjoyed tf2 and this place went crazy over it. No surprise the clone is also well recieved.

>>378594084
Yeah, now substract about 10+ million Asian players who play the game in internet cafes and you have the actual sales number, which is around the yearly CoD sales number.

>>378594194
Didn't realize you were baiting or are actually mentally disabled, my apologies.

>>378571689
>Diablo 2 was a plagiarism of X-COM/D&D/Nethack/Tolkien
Wut. If you're borrowing from 4+ sources I think you can safely say it's inspiration rather than plagiarism.

>But to act like Blizzard has always been some kind of bastion of originality is utterly stupid.
Literally no one you're replying to is doing this?

>>378573425
Not that Anon but his Halloween costume is Jackson's thriller outfit.

>>378594084
1 billions revenue first year mate

eclipsed TF2 in any of its biggest year i'm sure

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>>378570524
>Not a single person has really answered "yes" to this

>>378594645
Of course not. This place is full of people pretending to like and pretending to hate Overwatch.

Nobody here actually plays it.

>>378594784
of course not. we hate videogames as it is, good luck making us play a terrible one

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>>378580091
FOW matter a lot, especially when huge portion of your screen covered with weapon.
Auto-aim is console feature. but health regen is lazy game design. Instead of carefully placed strict amount of health kits player offered to save or use in time of need, game designed around combat with full hp in mind and ability to restore hit points in cover if enemy doesnt pressure enough. It sure more casual approach, but can be used with smart enough AI of an enemy. With constant pressure and adapting to players actions, enemy can give enough of a challenge even on supposed hard difficulty setting. But as we know, devs these days doesn't push limits of AI as they did before. Im old enough to remember games being marketed with promises of a really good and advanced AI. Sure, many games these days have AI trying to flank player and coordinating attacks as default, but those still act retard most of the time, leaving cover under fire, doesnt taking any advantage of distracted player and else.

Im pretty sure OW map design is nowhere being as flexible as TF2. As previously sad, OW often places you in a situation where you unable effectively breach enemy defenses without highly coordinated team actions. Often your team needs to use exact character to deal with situation and most of the time players doesnt take initiative themselves and this situations puts you out of your comfort zone. In TF2 sometimes one skilled player is enough to dominate fair amount of players, while on OW such player maybe killed by simple spam in his direction or unexpected ult. OW map design is truly narrow and corridor like forcing to pick counter measures instead of having fun.
You simply cant have in OW actually. While trying to play you favorite character you simply meeting better enemy setup or allied inability to pick characters required for successful completing of objective. And just right after you deciding to take matters into your own hands - game ends leaving you frustrated.

>>378571791
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VscdPA6sUkc

In HotS, Zarya calls healers a "credit to team" as well.

Are we going to ignore the fact that WoW made it cool to give their characters a dancing emote?

>>378596331
Everquest.

>>378570472
>blizzard
>not jews

i'm sorry, did I just shift into the wrong dimension by any chance?

>>378594084
>That's still twenty million (((active))) players
I guarentee you most of this "twenty million" stopped playing after 2 months.
The queue in any mode only has good times when there's an event. Otherwise it's long as fuck.

@378593837
You have to be over 12 to post here. 0/8, no (You) for (You).

>>378572248
Overwatch doesn't have 30 million active users. It's sad Blizzard is easily able to trick people into believing this shit.

They count free accounts. They count smurfs/general alt accounts. They count in-active accounts. They count banned accounts. They count accounts bought by banned players, and then those banned accounts. There is so much they count to get that 30m it's honestly disgusting.

The game is dying, and they need to lie in a desperate attempt to try and get people to buy it.

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>>378580459
>1.5 times
>sounds like happy hardcore

>>378571907
>Taimanin Asagi
WHAT?
WHERE?

>>378572892
>the best part is pissing people who don't like it off
So you don't like it, you're like an ironic weeb but worse

>>378582457
>flanks are all in an open area.
Hollywood, Oasis

>you have two flanks: one right next to the path of the Payload in the cave which leads into an open area and even the cave itself does have some wiggle room
I would say Hollywood again, but even then Hollywood's building had a lot more breathing space

I will give you the house though

>but it still has that flank route through the house, which now goes to the left, where you have a relatively open room and you are immediately on high ground when compared to the access RED gets to that area. You also get a balcony overlooking some of the point.
Most of Lijang Tower does this as well.

>and that London map I can't remember
Each point has tunnels you can go through to flank the point and tons of positions for heroes like Junkrat or Widow to sit on

>>378594950
>In TF2 sometimes one skilled player is enough to dominate fair amount of players
For a team-based game, allowing someone to easily carry or dominate w/o thought in picks isn't really that good of a mechanic

Hell, TF2 isn't really like that at all