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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY67yCaGdno
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>>378557732
>overheal
why even buy BT anymore
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So how are they compensating all the thousands upon thousands of IP spent on runes for existing players?

Nothing?
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>>378557732
>apologize
Why? Because after 8 years they're finally including SOME of the features every other game in the genre has had at release? Fuck off, Riot can burn.
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>>378559452

Maybe watch the vid before instantly starting to whine.
He specifically stated they're looking into that.
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>>378557732
>>378558335
>>378559452
>>378559930

you are not welcome here league marketers. take your anti-game to its festering /vg/ pit and keep it there.
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>>378559930

DotA has runes and masteries?
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>>378559452
It'll be an EXCLUSIVE avatar no doubt.
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>>378560136
>tell OP to fuck off and Riot to burn
>lol ure a leag shill xD
Retard.
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>>378560092
>>378560202
>>378560296


why did all of these posts add to the poster count? we know you're using proxies to bump these threads

fuck off, /v/ is not interested in your braindead mobatrash and never will be
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why didn't they make the runes free when the game came out already?
why now? are they losing too many players?
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>>378560492
They've been bleeding players for the past four years.
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>>378560202
>runes
No and that's a good thing

>masteries
Yes.
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>>378557732
Based Rito does it again
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>>378560714
top kek what happened to dota
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>>378557732
fucking BASED
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>>378560631
>source: my rectum
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I don't give a shit about League anymore but them finally making runes free is good. It was a terrible system since the very beginning that only existed so they could get people to buy champs and pages.
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>>378560492
LoL is a nightmare to get into for new players right now. The entry curve is so steep they probably dont get too many to stick around. It takes years of hardcore play to get close to unlocking everything, or probably thousands of dollars.
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>>378560874
>>378560959
>>378561195
>>378561204
>>378561226
>>378561268

wew marketers
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>>378561204
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=league%20of%20legends
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>>378560714
Masteries are based on account level. Talents are selected when your hero reaches that particular level. They are not the same thing.
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>>378561317
As if League of Fucking Legends needs the marketing, it's the biggest game on the planet
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>>378561317
>He doesnt get paid for shilling games on /v/
WEW
E
W
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>>378561373
another new IP

>>378561457
you've been trying to force your game here for a while now. it never works because /v/ is not interested.

go away.
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>>378560296

They actually shut dominion down instead of giving it a proper update?

Yet another example of this shithead company spreading itself too thin.
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>New runes will be totally free

YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS
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>>378560959

For some reason, they wanted the HotS audience.
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>>378561361
>google trends = playerbase
Right, because games like pubg, with increasingly higher player counts as evidenced by steamcharts, must also have a declining playerbase because of google trends
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why did it take them this long to make runes free? fucking jews, they should have been free from the start
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>>378557732
Didn't know that game is still alive.
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>>378561579
>it never works because /v/ is not interested.

Pretty sure League of Legends was the #1 culprit of /vg/ coming into existence. You just don't see the League shitposting much here anymore because they're shitposting over there now
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>>378557732

>Key fragments are now tied to the honor system

So rather than remove a shitty system that was almost never used, now you create incentive for everyone to suck each other off in desperate hope of getting key fragments and trading honor for honor and make skill in the game even less relevant to overall access to content?

Holy balls, free runes doesn't even cut it.
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>>378560959
They stoped to creat to copy other game's ideas.
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>instead of letting the thread die retard bumps it and keeps complining that it isnt dead
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>>378561997
Id like it if they fixed the chest system
>10-0 A- in the jungle no chest
Then I go some shitty 1-4 with a support and get an S- the next game.
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>>378562001
Imagine being so anal blasted about a game's existence you need to immediately assume anyone talking about it is a construction of a marketer
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>>378562275
>another new IP
>doesnt know what sage is

jesus dont they even tell you marketers to get familiar with the site youre shilling on beforehand
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>>378562330
I like that you can't get any rewards by playing free champions, forcing people to find a single character they like and play it exclusively.
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>runes reforged allows you to try out new playstyles
good joke, almost as if riot doesn't nerf any playstyle that isn't the intended one for each champion
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>>378562334
funny how those "authentic posters" didnt respond to my post calling them out.

instead you, yet ANOTHER new IP did

>(((new IP)))

lel

>>378562421
rofl another new poster writing this out? come the fuck on kiddo
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>>378562343
hey look i responded to you
now your sage is useless
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how the fuck do you have a balanced MOBA if one team has innate stat bonuses just from playing longer?

How's that a fair matchup?
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>>378557732
Dawngate was just a better LoL and that's why they're copying their "rune" system to the T.

>>378561713
And why wouldn't they want the 3rd largest audience? But with how much 7.xx fucked up the game I don't think healing fountains and talents could bring them over.
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>>378562601
>how the fuck do you have a balanced MOBA if one team has innate stat bonuses just from playing longer?
by making a matchmaking system that doesnt put someone who just started vs someone who plays for 8 years, cmon dont be a retard
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>>378562601
You make both teams grind for the stats

Runes and masteries have always been the most retarded shit about LoL

Even worse than summoner spells
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>>378562734
>by making a matchmaking system that doesnt put someone who just started vs someone who plays for 8 years

Smurfing.
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>>378562801
if you actually played the game, you'd know smurfs just end up going against other smurfs
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>>378562801
you start with 1 mastery point and 0 ip just like the new guy
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I'm in need of some money, where do I go to get these shills contracts?
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ok this will be my last post:

WARNING TO ALL WHO CLICK ON THIS THREAD
>WARNING TO ALL WHO CLICK ON THIS THREAD
WARNING TO ALL WHO CLICK ON THIS THREAD
>WARNING TO ALL WHO CLICK ON THIS THREAD
WARNING TO ALL WHO CLICK ON THIS THREAD
>WARNING TO ALL WHO CLICK ON THIS THREAD


THIS THREAD IS THE MACHINATION OF THE LEAGUE OF LEGENDS MARKETING DEPARTMENT. THERE IS NO AUTHENTIC DISCUSSION HERE, JUST PRE-MEDITATED TALKING POINTS ATTEMPTING TO BAIT YOU INTO RESPONDING.

ALSO NOTE THE CIRCLEJERKY REPLY CHAINS THAT DRONE ON AND ON ABOUT BANAL INFORMATION TO KEEP THE THREAD BUMPED.

THIS IS A MARKETING THREAD. BEWARE.
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>>378562931
look up associate marketer positions on indeed.
Sometimes they mention "viral marketing" contract openings.
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>>378562801
>Implying new rank 30 players have full rune pages
>Implying a system where you tell them they cant buy heroes and instead need to spend their IP on runes is a good one
There is literally no upside to runes.
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>>378562334
They're just newfags trying desperately to fit in. I'll say whatever the fuck I want about whatever game I want.
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now all they need to do is stop enforcing the same meta the game has had for years and maybe ill play again
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People still play this garbage? lol
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>>378563138
>buffs to small to actually change playstyle
>still large enough that they provide an objective advantage over players without them
>create even more grind
Hyep. LoL is a pile of poorly designed garbage in favor of cashgrabbing.
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>riot lyte gets fired
>we get all these good updates

hmmm
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>>378561997

> make skill in the game even less relevant to overall access to content

"SKILL" LMAO
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>>378562334

nice try riot
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>>378563743
>skill floor = skill ceiling
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>>378557732
Wow. Thats the first time ive watched a league video from start to finish. For once they didnt get someone who looked or sounded like a cocksucking fag or was an annoying dike.

They need to get that guy in the video to do every league update and I'd watch them more often
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>>378563930

Out of curiosity, which refers to which? Because I can never keep the two straight, and it seems like people use them differently sometimes.
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>>378561608
They shut it down and replace it with the rotating gamemore, which in theory means a bunch of creative gamemodes that never get old, but in practice means poro king, poro king, and so much fucking poro king.
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>>378564082
Riot has been culling a lot of shitheads from their staff.
>But Anthony Burch
Is a retard, granted, but at least his shittiness is contained purely to writing. Lyte was far FAR worse than Burch could ever hope to be, and it's no surprise that once Riot fired his ass they started actually getting shit done.
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>>378564171
>>378564393


New posters
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>>378564171
Ceiling is good you can be relative to skill. It doesn't matter if one player is massively better at video games than another, if they both hit the skill ceiling for the game in question then they are on equal ground. Skill floor is amount of skill necessary to even play the game at its most basic level.
A high skill floor makes a game hard to get into while a low skill ceiling makes it unrewarding to practice and get good with.
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>>378557732
Oh cool. The gameplay is still shit. ASSFAGGOTS was a mistake and killed one of the greatest games of our generation, SC2.
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>>378564452
Wasn't Burch fired lightning fast? Someone was telling me he was gone in under a week
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>>378564171
skill floor would be how easy it is to get into the game, league has unarguably a lower skill floor compared to something like dota 2, meaning it's easier to get into it at first
skill ceiling is how "skillful" one can get at the game
league is a classic example of low skill floor (casuals can enjoy the game at a lower level) and high skill ceiling (you need to be really fucking good to be at the top level of play)
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>>378564583
The Victor mains weren't exactly happy with how he handled the character. I don't know if he was fired over it, but if he was he deserved it.
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>>378564569
My god this bait.
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>>378564583
No
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>>378564602

>high skill ceiling

LOL
O
L
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>>378564452
>>378564452
I hope they get rid of this retard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMAAfm095tg
Just fucking look at his face, you just know this owen wilson wannabe has had cocks stuffed into his nose
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>>378564569

We will never forget you, Soul Calibur 2.
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>>378564569
>Starcrap 2
>good
anon, i bought it on release and even i admit it turned out garbage
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>>378564834
hey man if it's so easy why aren't you making millions off of it like all the other pros :^)
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>>378563046
don't forget to post that shit in 500 farcry threads anon
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>>378564845
Meddler isn't that bad honestly, just kind of a crappy speaking voice. The next person they need to get rid of is Daniel Z. Klein.
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>>378561608
It was replaced with Ascension, which is pretty similar but instead of minions pushing into towers you contest three points. Instead of the buffs in the middle you kill a giant Xerath and take his buff. Kills and point captures give score. Honestly a much better mode.

>All the bait in this thread
You can almost hear the ocean from here.
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>>378564948
don't need to lower myself to playing a shitty video game for a living
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>>>/vg/

cancer is leaking out of its containment again
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>>378565040
>It was replaced with Ascension
No it wasn't.

Ascension is a temp mode only around once every other month for 3 days
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Now if only they improved the graphics.
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>>378564834
I would really like to see you playing vs high elo players.
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>>378564583
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>>378565126
then why are you lowering yourself posting on this thread? go find or make a thread about your favorite games, instead of talking about games you dislike
go enjoy life
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>>378564948
not him but league is a mechnically very easy game. its not hard to cs. its not hard to right click. its not hard to use the 5 abilities you have on each champ. its not hard to glance at the minimap every 5 seconds. its not hard to understand wave management, and when to go for what objective. however the game is basically hearthstone. you grind like a motherfucker to get to the top. but along the way the shit you have to endure. all the variance the game has to offer. the cancer community on top of the rng. you have to be some special kind of fuckup to actually make it through that without killing yourself.
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>>378564948

>there is a ranking system so that means the skill ceiling is high

LMAO
M
A
O
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>>378565126
>League is so easy, I could be making two million dollars a year
>but playing games for a living is beneath me, so I'd rather work a real job and make maybe 80K
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Why do people even play league? If I wanted a casual and fun moba, I'd play hots. If I wanted a competitive and hard moba, I'd play dota 2.
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>>378565175
Dominion >>Replaced by>> Ascension
Ascension = Temporary game mode
Temporary game modes are on rotation to keep the matchmaking pool active because they are not popular enough individually to do so.
Do not be dumb.
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>>378565425
Happy medium

Also fuck Blizzard
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well still looks like trash, glad i stopped playing that garbage forever ago
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>>378565425
I would play dota but I can't stand turn speed and camera stuck up my ass that you can't zoom out.
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>>378565219
>burch has a fetish for one of the most cancerous midgets ever created
Why am I not surprised?
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>>378565425
Dota is not hard lol. The lack of camera lock is the only thing that keeps casuals at bay.
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>>378564698
I haven't played the game in years, what did he do to Viktor?
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>>378565267
>>378565407
shut the fuck up kids, go play a real game like brood war
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>>378564989
>Daniel Z. "Cuck Shekelington" Klein
OBLIGATORY
This guy designed some champs
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>>378565565
But nobody plays with locked cam in lol.
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>>378565407
But that money isn't from tournaments. You would starve trying to make money only from LoL.

They earn their money from autists on twitch. The fact that they are playing LoL is largely incidental considering they can and frequently do switch games and get money thrown at them. Some lolfaggot was streaming P5 and had some 30k viewers.
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>>378565565
You can camera lock in dota 2, double click the portrait. It just stops when you move the camera and you have to redo it. I'm sure there's a command to permanently camera lock
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>>378565283
>I deserve challenger, I'm only in Bronze because I always get shit teams
This is you.
If you're actually good you'll get to Diamond in a week.
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>>378565642
LMAO
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>>378565670
Yes, yes they do. From bronze to gold is only locked cam or psuedo-locked where they literally never let go of spacebar to keep the champ centered. Anybody else is a smurf or plays games that aren't lol as well.
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>>378557732
>he didn't spend 8 minutes talking about how League is a terrible game and they will be shutting down servers ASAP
couldn't finish
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I really don't know what to think about these changes. I mean honor seems cool and it's a good way to discourage toxicity but free runes just looks like absolute cancer but is also really convenient.
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>>378565623
nice non argument friendo

>>378565709
jesus you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about and it shows
they get most of their revenue being paid directly by teams
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>>378565709
They earn money from sponsorships, mostly, and the big League sreamers only have a viewerbase because they're ridiclously good at Legaue.
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>>378562684
The third largest MOBA is Smite.
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>>378565642

women were a mistake
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>>378565602
He wrote a story about Jayce that made Viktor look like a 100% evil, completely unsympathetic and irredeemable bad guy.
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>>378565925
>only have a viewerbase because they're ridiclously good at Legaue
What about all the women streamers in silver4 making 3 figure salaries?
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>playing league of legends after season 2
hhaha

League is probably the most pathetic game ever. Riot is a fucking joke and all the players are literal children.
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>>378565925
no, big league streamers aren't particularly good players, they're just funny personalities like qt or nightshit3 (funny to his 12 year old audience i mean) or legacy streamers like dyrus.
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>League of Cucks
MOBA games are cancer and LoL is the second worst in the market, only losing to Smite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_xeq9l7DNY
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>>378565642
Every champion that he has directed has had to have things removed from their kits or outright reworked altogether within a year of release. All of his projects have been catastrophes and with his twitter antics I am surprised that he hasn't been culled as well.

CertainlyT is a bad designer too but he also keeps his nose clean of twitter bullshit and drama and has demonstrated that he can do good work when kept on a leash as demonstrated with the Warwick rework.
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>>378564948
What millions?
http://dota2.prizetrac.kr/international2017

Besides, the set-in-stone meta is the optimal environment for souless koreans to win every championship that lets them in.
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>>378566157
Those are twitch whores, they could play anything and make money off of thirsty betas.
>>378566223
>qt
>consistently top 5 on the NA server
>not particularly good
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>>378566223

>qt has 3 accounts in top 10
>he isn't good tho

indisputable proof of low skill ceiling
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>His waifu is Poppy
Guys I'm afraid to look in the mirror, what if I'm Anthony Burch
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>>378557732
>voice chat
>keys dropping through honor
>all that wasted ip on runes
thank god this game is finally dead, time to play something else
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>>378565219
Thankfully he hasn't completely gutted the lore as of yet. I'm pretty sure Rakan is a self insert but all of the actually good lore is still untouched.
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>All of these Ascended Challenger players suddenly show up in the thread
Must be amazing to find the game so easy they never even bothered climbing once. I wish I were that good.
>>378565642
Holy moly I had not seen that one. This dude needs to go.
>>378565895
As long as they refund or compensate, they can feel free. I am hoping this means they want to drastically lower the barrier of entry, so new players can at least just worry about trying new champions instead of worrying about runes and masteries being incomplete too. I understand why they did it at the start but they are big enough now that there is really no excusing the sky high IP costs for everything. This change should alleviate that pressure.
>>378566049

>>378566223
qt is pretty consistently at the top of challenger.
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>>378566403
Do you still have your Wii U?
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>>378557732
Looks great.
But I won't come back to LoL just for that.
Being stuck in a dissatisfying game for up to an hour, never again.
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>>378566348
why are you bringing dota into this? I know the top dota players make millions too, that doesn't cancel out league players from earning the same
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>>378566403
Relax, anon, check your tv, is your Wii U still there?
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>league
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>>378566528
>what is ff

you can literally surrender at 15 minutes now, everygame that goes above 30 minutes is winnable by both sides.
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>>378566107
That seems to be Riot's MO now with their lore, remove every bit of moral grayness and non-standard interaction. Noxus is freedom and Demacia is order and both are good and bad in their own ways? Fuck that, simple good vs evil. A setting about magical cold war developing with a wizard based UN abating conflict via gladitorial ring? Fuck that shit, you get fucking nothing. Literally any unique, non-stereotypical part of a champ? Remove it, goes against expectations. Rework everybody who is interesting because we can't maintain balance while releasing more and more fucking champions who are progressively stronger than the last.
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>>378566653
>ff15
>needs 5 votes which NEVER happens no matter what
ok
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>>378566491
I really want them to fix matchmaking. I realize I'm not great at the game but there's no reason I should be drafted with people that go 0/13. That's fucking ridiculous and it makes climbing a pain in the ass.
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>>378566603
>>378566519
I thought it was but I just checked and its fucking gone.
Anons what the fuck is going on
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>>378566348
The meta is the meta because the koreans made it the meta. If the meta changes, the koreans will still dominate.
>>378566653
You can, but at low elo a lot of players just refuse to surrender, even if the game is obviously lost.
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>>378565871
bronze to gold is 90% of players, no 90% of players dont play with locked cams
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>>378566528
Games no longer last more than 30-40 minutes, other modes usually dont last more than 25 minutes

Not to mention at 15:00, you can vote to surrender
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>>378566770
I've seen it happen a couple times. Just because you're bad doesn't mean the game isn't fun.
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>>378566653
>3/2 surrender vote failed
Call me when they get rid of this garbage, too many times a cancerous duo held a lost game forever
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>>378566783
You're placed where you belong. That 0/13 Ashe may have gone 13/0 the previous match, everyone has bad games sometimes.
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>>378566789
Has your gf left you?

Did you ever have a gf?
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>>378566917
>Just because you're bad
Bad at what? Surrendering? The fuck you talking about?
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>>378566789
Fucking relax you possible cumeating faggot, check your drawer, maybe you just neglected it and boxed it for a while. WERE LOSING TIME
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>>378566862
Yes they do. I physically watch a large amount of league players in my dorm in a communal game room. The grand majority of them are locked cameras because they're not comfortable with unlocking them and not having their champ in the center of their screen constantly.
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now make all champs free and i might come back even if the people who play is still the fucking sperg lords they are
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>>378566990
0/13 isn't just a bad game. Any player worth their salt doesn't fucking feed like that. Not getting at least one kill or at the very least getting good kill participation is not just a bad game.
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>>378567004
If you're not bad there shouldn't be any reason to surrender at 15.
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>>378566804
>If the meta changes, the koreans will still dominate.
Strange way to spell "Riot will ban you for using it, then nerf it out of existence in an emergency patch".
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>>378567292
Riot doesn't ban people for that you idiot. Shut the fuck up.
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>>378567232
lots of pro players have died more times than that, with 0 kills too on stream
it's called tilting, happens to most people, if not everyone
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>>378565219
It's like he knows, but in the end he doesn't REALLY know.
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>>378567284
What a shitty argument. Even fucking challenger tier players have these situations when they want to ff15. I guess they are bad as well. Now I see you are retarded. I'm out of this cesspool.
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>>378567232

it really is tho and your lack of hours is obvious from your response
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>>378566783
Just try to remember that in games like this, you have to sort of change your perspective a bit. If you think of it like say, a fighter, where every match is a 1v1 and you either go up or down if you win or lose, then of course you get frustrated when some idiot goes 0/13 on your team. If you think of it like it is, a team game, then you realize that sometimes that 0/13 is on the other team too. The key is not to think of climbing as individual games being won or lost, but how you personally perform over a hundred games. Teammates shift and change, but you are the constant in all of your games. If you do well, you will eventually climb. If you do not, then try to figure out where you can improve. This has been proven countless times, both by challenger players that keep getting challenger on multiple accounts and by people that boost other players for money over and over. If it were totally luck, neither would be possible, right?
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>>378567408
They'll still get good kill participation. I'm talking about people that make no contribution to the team whatsoever, that don't react to pings, that do nothing but charge ass first into their lane and then bitch about other people being bad.
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>>378567379
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So, correct me if i'm wrong, and I might very well be, but isn't the trick to climbing just winning games consistently, even if it's as low as 51-49%?
I don't mind the rune change all that much, as long as I get something out of it.
Honor is what makes me a little bit nervous. I don't trust the league playerbase one bit, even when there's an actual incentive to.
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>>378567232
You either stuck in low silver or haven't played game long enough. Your logic is icredibly stupid.
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>>378567292
>be me
>early years when league was still new
>try things out like "All zeals" blitzcrank and won a boatload of matches
>anons: WOAH THATS FUCKING COOL AND HILARIOUS

>be me now
>come back from 3 year league break
>many new things
>just trying thigns out because i dont know these new items, champs, or masteries
>pick some random AD time for some AD champ
>anons: YO WTF IS HE BUILDING? THIS ISNT PART OF THE META ... /all YO REPORT THIS GUY HES TROLLING FUCK WELL /FF @15
>same kind of rant goes on the next few games

Its like chivalry all over again, first the community was so great and fun, now its just a bunch of whiny safe-space babies and that report and kick you out of games for accidentally team-hitting once
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>>378567619
how old is that screenshot? jesus
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>>378566107
Jayce's release back in 2012 did that on its own.

>>378566698
Every fuckiking VGU they have done has been for the better aside from Fiora. Also Noxus was already sterotypical evil until champs like Darius and Riven came along. Same thing happened with Ionia and Jhin. Ionia went from "dindu nuffin" to shady as fuck.
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>>378567629
You need to be a little above 50 irrc but yes, consistently winning even one more game than you lose will climb you up and if you are incapable of doing that you belong where you are.
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>>378567471
They're not bad on a general level, but getting too tilted to continue the game at 15 minutes proves they aren't as good as they should be. Challenger players are people, not gods you lowly scrub.
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>>378567619
is it? could it be? 7 year old screenshot?
i mean usa is killing Vietnamese people, look at this photo for proof
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>>378567578
they're fucking inting then, everyone gets people like that in their games
maybe they had a bad day at school because tyrone bullied them a little harder than usual
it doesn't mean they play like that every game, if they're being matched with you means that they *overall* have a similar skill level than you
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>>378567482
It really isn't though and your lack of experience is evident from your making excuses for bad players.
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>>378567619
Yeah, that isn't getting banned.
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>>378567840
Pendragon still works at riot.
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>>378567041
It's not there, I've checked every drawer three times now
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>>378567643
And yet you fail to actually respond to any point I've made. You are incredibly stupid.
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>>378560136
>it's okay when Blizzard does it
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>>378568013
Im sorry, theres nothing more we can do...
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>>378567797
i got him in a few ranked games around the time it started popping up on /v/

he threw a sissyfit everytime i locked in sejuani and not AMUMU MALPHITE RAMMUS (season 2!)
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>>378567895
I'm not talking about inting either. It's clear that they are making an effort because they keep trying to get the team to do shit that is unwise but they refuse to listen to anyone else. I know this might sound unique but it has happened to me so many times.
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>>378567987
soldiers still work for usa
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>>378568267
What the fuck

I know it's a large but Jesus Christ that thing must be semi solid sugar
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>>378567921

struck a nerve, eh? Imitation is the highest form of flattery
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>>378568465
I could really imitate you and make excuses for bad players but I'm not retarded so don't get too flattered.
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>>378568453
>>378568267
>1 serving
That's enough calories for an athletic person for a day.
Wtf Burgerland?
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>>378568298
If you're still insisting you deserve better than your current elo, buy an elo boost to the rank you think you deserve, then stay there for fifty games.

Spoiler: You'll be back down in 20.
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>>378568575

stay silver friend, rage will only keep you bad longer
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>>378568267
How do people drink this stuff?
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>>378568605
That shake is basically boogies snack for the hour.
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>>378568327
Are those soldiers still in vietnam fighting vietcong? Or are you full of shit and spouting false equivalence preferring to smoke Riot's cock.
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>>378568298
shit sucks, but it happens to everyone, in every game, it's not unique to league
it is possible the matchmaking system matched you with some random low elo shitter, due to him being boosted recently, but it's just a problem with matchmaking in general
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>>378568182
When did he say that it was okay for Blizzard to do it?
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>>378568605
>>378568453
when i first saw that picture me and a couple of friends researched if it was real and it unfortunately was
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Too fucking late. Stopped in season 4 once I hit diamond. Not getting back to that cancer
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Is AD Kennen still a thing? When I heard about it I thought it might be fun to try.
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>>378568727
Is pendragon still in riot banning people? Or are you full of shit and spouting false equivalence preferring to smoke USA's cock.
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>>378568648
I just want my team to fucking COOPERATE. I don't even care if they're not good as long as they don't get toxic and they'll accept the advice other players give them. Surely there should be a factor for that in elo
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>>378568845
atk speed onhit (i dont know how deep you go into onhit) is a thing in top lane

look up gook builds
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>>378568697
absolute kek
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>>378568679
Stay bronze and keep making excuses, shitter.
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>>378568845
it's more than a fucking thing, it's broken as fuck top lane and incredibly annoying to deal with as a melee
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>>378568845
Kennen isn't a damn thing despite him having a 5 man stun and being manaless and ranged. Anybody made before season 3 and not reworked cannot keep up with the powercreep.
>>378568919
I'm not the one making comparisons here dipshit, you are. And more than likely yes since pendragon is a bitch and thief who, despite making the damn champions, cannot accept you playing them outright stating he cannot do his fucking job.
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>>378565531
GIVE ME BACK NORMAL URF HOLY SHIT it was the only fun thing about this game
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>>378568924
>I know better than my team
>they should listen to me, I shouldn't have to listen to them

Every elo gets toxic. Look up Hashinshin and Tyler1 (before he reformed).
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every time I go to bed I want to wake up as akali or shyvana
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>>378569191
I'm not saying I know better than my team. If they come to a consensus on a strategy, I'll do my part. More often than not, my team loses because of one person feeding the best scaling champs on the other team.
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Does riotlyte still work there?
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>>378569131
>Kennen isn't a damn thing
>94% p/b in last international tournament
hmmmmm.....
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>>378569286
And here I thought I was alone in my suffering.
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>>378560959
They made it better.
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>>378569463
no
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>>378569463
He "left" last year. Soon after he left, Riot started killing the major memes like sandbox and replays.

It's almost like we were right all along and Lyte was shit.
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>>378557732
i actually came
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>>378569286

But anon, that's a lady ninja and a lady dragon lady. It seems like that'd be very strange.
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378569024

I just realized you're a marketer and you are just rage responding to bump the thread

Leaving now, I hope therapy works out for you
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>>378562734
This works in theory but Leagues problem is it split the regions up, and some regions have issues with low player base. If you've ever played on Oceania sever you would notice it, rank queue is close in the early hours of the morning and some gamemodes can only be played during certain hours
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>Treat Lol almost entirely like a PvE game
>Win 9/10 games if my team are not purposely dying due to retardedness.
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>>378569140
Urf is fucking garbage

>>378569463
They dropped his ass like Battleborn
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>>378570210
fuck off, don't hate the only good thing about league.

Playing Leona on urf gets me rock hard
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>>378564989
Meddlers a kiwi, I haven't heard him speak but he could have a thick accent
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>>378565425
>forgetting about Smite which is more fun than all of those
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>>378570404
Very thick

>>378570489
Smite is neat

>>378570307
Ascension is the best alt game mode
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>>378570489
Nobody plays smite though.
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>>378570185
I'd rather have small playerbase and 8 ping than large playerbase and 180 ping. Several champions are hard to pull off over 20, and literally unplayable at anything over 50.
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>>378570563
Smite is very alive, though.
>inb4 you think people play it on Steam
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>>378570489
>smite
Nobody plays it, otherwise I would have tried it. I got forced into all these meme games by my friends.
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>>378557732
im not playing your shitty game
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doturd here, whats the tldr of op and what is is in doto terms?
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>>378570716
Even assuming 2x more people are playing the stand alone (they probably aren't) it's still less the any others by a factor of 10. I doubt its got even half the playerbase of paladins at this point however.
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>>378560136
You do know you're replying to people who are either shitting on league or providing arguments against their video, right? Don't try to fit in too hard, retard. At least read posts properly before you try bandwagoning.
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>>378561579
>you've been trying to force your game here for a while now. it never works because /v/ is not interested

Because is it now being conversed in a containment bored it helped create.
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>>378561579
>"forcing" the most popular game

made me think
it's actually a miracle that LoL threads are so limited on /v/. Not only is it popular (meaning more people would want to create a thread) but it also drives /v/ absolutely nuts, feeding attention.
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>>378570842
Currently you have to buy runes with IP (in-game currency, not real money), they give stat boosts and you have to set them up before you enter the lobby (you get 2 rune pages to do this when you sign up, and you can buy more pages for retarded amounts of IP). There is also the mastery system, which is similar but doesn't require any purchases, and can be set up in champ select.

They're merging these two into a new system that will be completely free, can be managed in champion select, and thanks to this the runes can be a lot more powerful.
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>>378567097
Is this for real? that's the most stupid way to play what the fuck.
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>Kill off Galio for some dipshit only faggots like
>Get your game furthered destroyed every update
Literal schadenfreude
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>>378571272
>buy runes with IP (in-game currency, not real money),
uh i thought this shit was from the beta only? i remember playing hon/lol/ and the other one when they barely were chink gaems
thats completely retarded, what kind of monkey would take this game seriously?
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>>378557732
No matter how much you hate this shit game, you have to give them props for finally removing one of its top few problems

Too bad flash and the forced meta will never go away
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>>378561608
If you liked dominion on release you're a faggot.
If you have that icon you're a faggot.
If you're mad that it got removed you're a faggot.
If you pick Skarner and make me play that gay little minigame - guess what? - you're a fucking faggot.
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>>378573093
Flash is the one thing that makes being an immobile champion bearable, though. There is too much mobility creep for them to remove it now.
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>>378573320
Exactly why I said it'll never go away
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>>378573194
>2017 LoL
>All passives are shitty solitaire minigames to make your champ suck less
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>>378573194
>I don't like it so all the thousands of people who do like it shouldn't have it
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>>378570307
Is Evelynn still godtier in URF? I felt like a dirty whore, but damn if it wasn't fun.
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>>378573320
If they removed flash they would be forced to balance immobile champions with higher attack power etc and address the constant ranged vs. melee bruiser back and forth balance that game is constantly going through. Flash is a shitty bandaid on a gaping wound that's been allowed to fester for way too long.
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>>378573416
>Not making 5 Yordle Stomper variants that give Flash and whatever stats are appropriate
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>Slight mention of League of Legends
>Millions of redditors flock to angrily tell you how much they don't like it

moba used to be /ourgame/ and now everyone blindly hate it without even playing it. What happened?
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>>378571272
>MMO elements
>e sport
how did they get away with this for all these years? are their players literal retards?
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>>378570307
no idea, I only played leona, trashing zeds was my favorite thing, but i mean probably considering her Q every second and perma speed
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>>378572152
>kill off galio
What? I haven't played in 5 years but I liked him. Is he not playable anymore?
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>>378573898
>What happened?
see >>378573935
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>>378574009
They reworked him into turbo cancer tank, he feels pretty similar except they shuffled his abilities around a bit and he feels faster
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>>378573779
woops >>378573990
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>>378573935
You can't buy influence points though
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When is this happening?
I might actually start playing LoL if it stops being p2w with the runes.
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>>378574209
>not knowing what money sinks are used for
get woke nigger
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>>378574286
Pre-season, so November.
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>>378574359
I bet this guy defends Overwatch's loot box system
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>>378566348
are you implying that if the meta wasn't set in stone Koreans wouldn't still dominate the game?

Are you also implying that since Dota's meta isn't set in stone that prevents Korean's from dominating it? I hope you aren't m7
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>>378574209
You can buy IP boosts, which help you earn IP faster.
>>378573935
While you do get a slight advantage, by the time you're good enough to go into ranked, you'll already have all the runes you need. The main mistake people do is go ranked too early, which is how you end up in bronze. It has also been proven by a pro player that it's perfectly possible to win games with no runes or masteries.
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>>378574009
>>378574118
Not to mention he looks extremely different now and everyone was jizzing all over him until the hype died down.

Really it just pissed off a lot of people who cared about Galio beforehand and had Riot and the rest of the playerbase to tell them to go fuck themselves for not liking "FotM Husbando #34" because not a lot of people played old Galio.
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>>378574471
>You can buy IP boosts, which help you earn IP faster

I literally forgot they were a thing
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>>378558335
>Not stacking overshields + deathsdance
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>>378557732
jesus /v/ was better when riot still didnt sign the shill budget in 2016
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>>378574558
I am still mad about Xerath. He had I think a 52% win rate even in diamond, but they reworked him because he was one of the less popular champions. Now he's a shitty Lux variant instead of a mobile artillery like he used to be. Old Karma was also really fun as a mid laner and just needed mana cost reductions+increased range on her skills but nope, can't have a support that actually scales well with AP items.
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>>378574471
>It has also been proven by a pro player that it's perfectly possible to win games with no runes or masteries.
>player who has played all the characters
>who knows how all characters feel
>who remembers all of their skills

>HURRR A PERSON WHO NEVER PLAYED 1/10 OF THE CHRACTER POOL SHOULD BE ABLE TO WIN. LOOK THIS GUY WHO PLAYED ALL THE CHARACTERS DID IT! SEE ANYONE CAN DO IT!
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>>378574879
>You need to play every champion in a moba

What kind of logic is this, I've got like 3k hours in dota and have touched like 25% of the roster.

Would you go into an arcade and spend all your money playing every machine once or would you find one you like the look of and stick to it, get better and enjoy yourself?

moba isn't a themepark dork
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>>378575065
You should play every champion at least a few times to better know how to beat them. The arcade machines don't work as an analogy because the arcade machines don't interact with each other.
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>>378573862
exactly what i tell loldrone friends but they say it would be too much work for riot to balance

at that point they just admitted they dont have faith in their developer god to do the right thing and im content
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>>378575254
Fair point, but I got my knowledge of every champ by reading their kit

Some champs I will concede are frustrating to understand their weaknesses unless you play them, but that's mostly a fault of poor champ design than anything

See: Nu-LeBlanc
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>>378575315
Considering this is the company that released the Juggernaut patch, fuck no, I don't have faith in them to do that.

I'm an Akali OTP, I own every skin for her on two accounts, I named my summoners after her, and I'm absolutely terrified of what they'll do when they get around to reworking her.
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>>378575804
>Juggernaut patch

never forget
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>>378561268
I started playing 3 weeks ago and I'm already doing great close to level 30 with an S in almost every game. Biggest issue was not having runes and mastery slots which is now fixed
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>>378563046
Wait is this post also a marketing trick ?
Cause you're being so autistic about it its almost ironic.
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>>378575896
wow look someone who actually plays the game blows that stupid "lol is grind" meme into the dust
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>>378575896
Prepare to hit a wall soon, when you get placed against better players.
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>>378574198
>>378573990
>every second

You could get off like 3 Qs in one second, it was disgustingly fun when you weren't on the opposite side.
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>>378565941
kek
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>>378575804
>being an Akali main
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>>378575894
The patch that ironically killed lik 50% of the "Juggernauts" and introduce tanky assassins?
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>>378575804
Good, her sustain and snowballing potential is annoying as fuck to deal with. Pure cancer, not to mention 3 dashes with no escape from her.
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>>378576639
EVERY Assassin is cancer
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>>378561608
>>378560296
One of their bullshit arguments was that they have to make animations for every champ to capture the points and that takes time away from testing for summoners rift but they use those exact same animations for capturing Skarners points and shit like that. So they're not really saving any time because they're making those animations anyway.
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>>378576096
I don't even mind losing since the game is very fresh to me. Got destroyed once by a plat I smurf in low level normals, added him and he gave me some advice and links to builds.

I think if you can only have fun in a game when winning its time to drop it, since you only derive pleasure from the win not the actual game.
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>>378557732
>getting rid of runes finally after years of unbalanced bullshit
>not refunding players for it
Oh boy some shitty skin will come i bet
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>>378576761
Like riot even remember Skarner exists.
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>>378575804
they should rework her
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>>378576424
It's a painful life, but what kinda man would I be if I abandoned my waifu just because she's a little weak right now?
>>378576639
Just CC and kill her. Unless she has QSS and/or cleanse, she's easy to deal with as long as you're not retarded. Also buy Banshees or GA.
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>>378576860
>Let's just throw away millions of dollars because it might hurt someones feels
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>>378576467
The patch that absolutely destroyed the balance of the game, right before Worlds.
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>>378577007
Boy you actually are shilling

It was a shitty design choice from day 1. They owe players for wasting their time with this bullshit.
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>>378577163
Yeah, the patch that made any Tank not named Maokai or Malphite or any jungler not named Rek'Sai or Elise utterly useless.
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>>378576993
>gets cc'd
>goes into stealth through a wall or dashes into a minion afterward

Banshees is an AP item now, GA is no longer gives MR.
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>>378576086
>one anonymous anecdotal post trumps shit tons of objective numerical data
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>>378564989
>>378565642
>Daniel Z. Klein.
How did this guy get to be champion designer?I remember him casting Season 1 WC and he was the fucking worst. He clearly had no idea how the game worked.
He also had a boner for Shushei bigger than Phreak's boner for Dyrus.
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>>378557732
>Runes Free
can i get my shit refunded then? its been 5 years and i still dont have all champs
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>>378576993
>being a waifu faggot
kys
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>>378577343
except for the fact there was like 7 darius pentas in that tournament and malphite wasnt picked once. Oh your trolling ok i see now.
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>>378577517
Maybe because shushei was a literal god back then
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>>378577587
Oh yeah I forgot for a second Darius was OP.

Right until they nerfed him so hard we only ever see Maokai and Tanky assassins top.

And that hasn't changed to this day.
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>>378575315
After 6 or so years, should Flash even be considered a problem at all? Sloppy, prehistoric design for sure, but at this point removing it really would do more harm than good.

Runes are a different story since I can't imagine a single person (aside from turbo autists) that isn't glad to hear them getting redesigned, and those were just additional stats that can be adjusted into champions baseline if need be
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ITT: Misinformation from retards who think their 2 days playtime in Season 2 makes them qualified to talk about a game they know nothing about

abloo bloo I miss old (insert shit champ here)
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>>378577390
>get's CC'd
>somehow still alive after the CC ends
She's the most fun built glass cannon. CC her and your team should destroy her. If you can't handle her 1v1 and you're not with your team against a fed Akali, you're doing something wrong.
>Banshees is an AP item now, GA is no longer gives MR.
Banshees helps mitigate the burst, and GA lets you get back up after your team has destroyed her. "Build MR against Akali" goes without saying.
>>378577583
>not having a waifu
See pic.
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>>378577517
No idea, but he is absolutely terrible at it. Dude is just a fountain of bad ideas. Taliyah's release was one of the biggest shitshows in years and that plus the Brexit referendum shortly afterward really let this guy show his true colors.
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>>378577673
Maybe because he was only good with gragas and Alistar. Two champions that had such insane AP scaling that they had better burst than any assassin.
There's a reason he stopped being relevant after s2
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>>378578038
He was still good at other champions, it's like saying Peanut isn't the best jungler in the world because he's only "good" at graves and lee
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>>378577793
old gp was so well designed i swear!!!!!!!!! building crit items and pressing q and being boring and useless was fun!!!!!
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>>378569140
URF is for terrible players who can't manage cooldowns and resources. Plus, people only spam the champs that are know to be OP instead of being creative for once. Fuck that shit and fuck all the bronzies who keep crying out loud for its return.
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>>378578195
Old GP was great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK4FMV41dbg
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>>378564845
>disliking Meddler
Anon, he's possibly the most communicative Rioter they ever had. He voices the upcoming changes to champions and he likes to discuss them with the community.
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>>378557732
Cool. Only took like 5 years to fix that.

Now removing flash when? Bite the fucking bullet you pussies its the biggest problem with LoL
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>>378578337
this

meddler is like is they took Jeff Kaplan, made him competent at his job and took away all the reddit pandering
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>>378578208
Urf is for making infinite tunnels with Bard.

I have good memories of the original URF,
as I mained Soraka at the time. Remember how she was so broken they had to disable her on the second week?
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>>378578341
In what world is flash a problem

I'd really love to hear your justification for this one
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>>378578139
>Watching Peanut run G2 the fuck over with Olaf at MSI
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>>378578454
>Watching NA-

Oh wait they never got out of groups
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>>378578417
Yeah I had some fun on the original URF. But then people started making tier lists for the mode and you couldn't play a game without a Zed, an Alistar or a Sona.
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>>378575896
That doesn't fix the issue of getting new champions. Assuming they haven't massively boosted income it use to take some 50 games iirc to get a new 6300 teir champ, which is an astounding amount of time. You'll never ever own even a fraction of the champion pool, and good luck even keeping up with the meta honestly.
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>>378578802
>good luck even keeping up with the meta honestly
>meta
>relevant at diamond and below

pick one and only one
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>>378557732
great changes
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>>378578573
>What is clg like 2 years ago
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>>378578418
>MUH BRONZE ELO!?!!!!!!

flash is very healthy for the game it adds a mini objective and sets up for a lot of decision making. People who hate flash need to either
a. get out of bronze
or
b.go back to sucking valves dick like the faggots they are
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>>378578573
>>378579043
>What is clg winning WCG 2010
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>>378579103
>international scene
>2010
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>>378578417
>infinite tunnels
>not permanently locking people in a wall
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>>378579043
>clg is the only NA team to make it out of groups at any international event since season 1

lmao
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>>378579197
They beat EU atleast
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>>378579198
If they ever bring back non-shit (random) URF, go Morgana and Lux duo lane and just permanently snare one opponent. They will never get away.
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>>378563046
I'm not marketing I just love League =) Everyone should download and play it. It's free!
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I used to play lol in 2010.
Did they finally removed runes from the game? I remember it giving a massive advantage over new players. A full set of runes would give you stuff like 8% lifesteal or 6% dodge chance for free at level 1 while someone without it would have nothing.

Thats like 600-800 extra gold at the start of each matchup
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>>378579298
EU world championship titles: 1

NA getting out of groups: 1

really gets noggin joggin
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>>378578195

>Binary, point and clicker who had to make intelligent decisions about his build

vs.

>One of 50 AD bruisers that can nuke tanks from orbit because one of two of his faggy minigames gives him 99% armor pen
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>>378578986
Maybe they changed they way they work since last I played a few years ago but they liked break and buff champs too frequently for my taste. I mean sure you could one trick Heim or whatever to diamond, but why would you when some champs were just massively better than others. They couldn't balance for shit, which tends to happen when they keep adding to an already massive pool of imbalanced champs.
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>>378579298
>>378579393
EU is/was proving to be the worst region, but it doesn't mean NA has any remote chance.
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>>378579369
>thread is literally about their big rework of runes
>did they finally remove runes?
Learn to read faggot.

>>378579429
See >>378578267
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>>378579429
>skillless brainless shitty boring champ that was never relevant and could only do meme builds.
>well designed
Pick one.
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>>378579515
>EU
>Worst region
>Just made 2nd at MSI and took a game off of SKT

justify your shit claim
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>>378578195
Did they redo GP a second time?
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>>378579640
The game has been a turd and dying since at least two years ago, but you win. I didn't pay enough attention to notice that. What team won, and how much of it was chinese/korean?
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>>378579864
the team that one was the same korean team thats won the world championship 3 times out of 6 championships and they are 100% korean.
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>>378579864
SKT T1, 100% Korean. They've also won worlds S3, S5, and S6, and will almost definitely take it S7 as well.
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>>378579864
>Prove me wrong
>I can't but ur game sucks

thanks lol
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>>378557732
I'm more fucking pissed at those masteries
>Healers are busted with overheal
>Lulu gets a second Pix for free
>Buffing masteries even further despite the mastery changes in season 6 almost caused a fucking riot
It honestly just feels like everytime I even think about opening this game they do something to make me grind levels on an MMO instead
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>>378579864
>>378579947
>>378579968
>>378580020
I meant the eu team that got second. SKT winning is a given. You guys were talking about the winning eu team, my bad for not being specific. I thought the korean import thing would have made it clear.
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>>378580087
Watch the video again, those are keystone runes.
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>>378557732

Ghostcrawler still "balancing" this shit? If so, Riot can fuck off.
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>>378580248
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>>378580159
2 gooks 3 eu as per import rules
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>>378580248
>ghost crawler known for shit balancing
>joins riot to balance
>Anthony bitch known for shit writing
>joins riot to write
No one can unironically be playing league in 2017 without being a third worlder, underage, or retarded.
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>>378580248
>>378580556
Ghostcrawler is good at balancing games though, he made a single mistake in WoW and people give him shit for it
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>>378580382
Who carried, the og pros or the gooks?
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>>378579078
>A mini objective

Yeah if by mini objective you mean "you have to do the thing that would kill them twice within 5 minutes instead of once" sure. Flash creates obnoxiously slow gameplay.
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>>378579620
>That was never relevant

Riot fucking decides who is relevant, GP was fun but the developers kept him shit on purpose because "abloo bloo bloo not enough skillshots" god forbid you be able to fucking hit somebody without throwing a projectile in a game where anyone at any time can change their movement direction instantly.
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>>378580673
You can't ignore the increase in shitty balance changes after he joined though, I'm not saying he's the direct cause but there's most definitely a correlation
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>>378581878
B-but my tactical casual assfaggot

Is there anything more pathetic than a riot fan?
You make hirez fans look good. You make people with thousands of dollars worth of hats look good.
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>>378581878
so youd rather 1 gank decides the game? People are helpless to escape the fast cc machines that come out of the jungle without a way to get away from them.

Heres what it would look like if flash didnt exist. Oh lee sin ganked bot guess we are dead at 3 mins and the games over gg wp guys glad there is no way to get away from that. It also adds a lot of 1v1 micro decision making for dodging certain skills and outplaying your opponent. Without flash the game would be as dry and boring as dota 2.
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>>378580673

People don't hate Ghostcrawler for the single mistake. He has a certain design philosophy that he perceives as "balance". But he destroys the things that make a game fun to play.
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>>378582136
You know how I know you're underage?
You type like a bronze retard, and you somehow think being better than DotA 2 is an accomplishment.
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>>378582225
Oh nice arguement man. Sure showed me.
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>>378557732
Fuck off to /vg/. LoL is for fags without money/video games.
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>>378582136
Yeah, people are helpless to escape because Riot throws too much stupid shit into characters kits because "dude just flash away lol". Lee is the prime example of LoL's retarded "resourceless character that doesn't give anything up for being resourceless and also he's got a million dashes but he's not weak in a 1 on 1 either" retardation.
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>>378582371
You would not attempt to teach a child calculus, it is beyond their comprehension.
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>>378582474
>i have no arguement therefore you are retarded
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>>378582454
That brings up a point: How do you make 130 characters play differently without making up all sorts of insane bullshit mechanics?
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>>378582454
>resourceless
well someone hasnt played more than 15 lol games in his life.
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Would you take the RFC?
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>>378582392
How about you go to the 500 Far Cry threads and tell them to fuck off
How about you go into the nonstop Fire Emblem Heroes thread and tell them to fuck off to /vg/
finally something worth talking about in this shit game that actually will have an impact and half of the thread is "F-f-fuck off, my precious bait-thread paradise will not be corrupted by one thread of sensible discussion"

REEEEE I hate this site

>>378582657
Are people honestly bothered by flash? I haven't played Dota, and I'm certain you can get a whole new level of strategy out of the game with turn-time and the blink dagger shit, but does it really matter? If they removed flash and rebalanced all the champs, would lol really be better? It seems to me it adds a lot of funny little interactions that actually helps distinguish it from Dota. Well, for better or for worse I suppose
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>>378582698
Unless something changed since I last played it was almost impossible to run out of energy on Lee. Energy regenerates at a rate of 10 per second; Lee's Q has a cooldown of 7 seconds and uses 80 energy total, a net loss of 10 energy at max level. His W uses 80 energy total as well and has a 14 second cooldown, so net gain of 60 energy. His E has a net energy cost again of 80 with a cooldown of 10 seconds, so net gain of 20 energy. R costs nothing.

So the only way to run out of energy on Lee Sin is to either Spam Q off cooldown 20 times in a row or to attempt to mindlessly use every single ability at the same time, and his passive refunds energy anyway so as long as you can play him worth a shit it doesn't matter.
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>>378570974
>>378568182
>>378560340
reddit is here alright
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>>378582921
At least Fire Emblem Heroes have a good gameplay/story mode and people discuss the other games on these threads.
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>>378583215
go play lee and come back to me.
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>>378582921

its not flash itself that bothers people, its how strong it is

I don't know how to get stats for this type of thing but I'd bet that flash is the most popular summoner spell by far which probably means its op compared to the other options
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>>378561204
It's pretty obvious. They've gone from doing literally nothing in 5 years to suddenly making a ton of changes.
They really need to update their engine though.
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Just downloaded this today to see how it compares to Smite, should I not play it or is now a good time to start?
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>>378583750
It's at like a 99% pick rate, not because it's OP but because all the other options suck. Theres a small difference. And options that could compete like ghost they can't buff too hard or people will just run both. At least that's how it was last I played.
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>>378584023
It's a dumpsterfire of children and college students, but if you like smite, it might be ok.
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>>378584023
>is now a good time to start?
Nope, you missed the fun like 6 years ago.
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>>378584023
Don't bother, it's pretty fucking dead .
I tried getting back to it with a new account and low level are all clearly people smurfing, even after losing a bunch of games in a row I kept getting matched with smurfs. Then I remembered how obnoxious the grind was.
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>>378565128
>implying /v/ isnt more cancer than every general in /vg/ together
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>>378583526
Are you really trying to argue with math? You have 3 abilities that use energy totaling 240. You have 200 max. You regenerate 10 per second and 20-30 as long as you attack after you use a skill. Only one ability can run you out of energy on its own and that's entirely unrealistic to do.

He is functionally resourceless unless you are a driveling retard.
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>>378584023
Its not worth it unless you have friends or are willing to dedicate a lot of time into it. The game for me was a lot of fun but i played with friends who were also starting. Its still fun for me by myself to this day though so i guess im just autistic.
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>>378560492
The game is dead everywhere but Asia. I'd estimate that China is at least 50% of League's playerbase now.
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>>378584352
you end up with a lot of cdr with several items and you can easily burn through that much energy instantly. And in teamfights you need to spam you cant just get away with 1 rotation of skills while autoattacking 8 times in a teamfight.

I guess I should clarify. He only runs out of resources mid to late game in which hes always out and hes useless garbage.
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>>378573898
It got too popular to have loud shitposters on /v/. See Dota2, Morrowind, the entire Dark Souls series, Fire Emblem, ARMS, etc.
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>>378584352
nice statistically you might never run out of energy but you can't assume maximum passive value u doof
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>>378559452
you'll get some loot juice to help perm those skins for champions you don't have.
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>>378583503
>At least Fire Emblem Heroes have a good gameplay/story mode
lawl

>people discuss the other games on these threads
Faggots like (You) are the only reason this isn't 100% the case here as well. Oh god what am I even replying

>>378583750
Not what I meant. The question isn't if it's OP or not, it's if the game became any more interesting if you removed it. I'd say no

>>378584023
It's fun with friends You'll probably find the grind for champs really annoying and quit soon. They basically removed grinding for runes now though. The first few levels have this retarded shit where you can't use some summoner spells yet. But give it a try, it's still a fun MOBA once you've got the basics.
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>>378584707
the game would be 1000 times more snowbally and punishing and it would definitely become less interesting without flash.
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Why aren't YOU, yes, YOU, playing the best MOBA on the market?
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>>378584023
The game is still super alive but its filled with bots until level 30. Im gonna hit you with the >it gets good about 20 hours in
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>>378584814
>playing mobas
I wasted years of my life on league just for it to be bought by chinks and slowly sucked dry of everything fun. fuck mobas
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>>378584707

well I don't think it would be better if the removed it but I do think it would be better if people had a reason to pick other options

like why even make it an option if you need it on everyone all the time
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>>378584023
Stick with Smite, or try HOTS

Fuck LoL and fuck Dota
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>>378583326
>I was only pretending to be retarded.

Now you're just trying too hard.
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>>378584707
I just should admit that Fire Emblem is the real strategy game and LoL is just some p2w casual fun with friends.

This shit game turned my brother into a fucking asshole who plays this shit all day, all night and treat everyone like shit when they are using internet for downloading relevant stuff because MUH PING PONG.
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>>378583750
>>378584707
Flash was always cancer and should have been removed but after season 2 every new champion was designed around it. God I miss being able to pick ghost on most champs in S1/S2
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>>378565534
>Also fuck Blizzard
Neo /v/ is so cute
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>>378585557
>le neo /v/ r*dditfaggot
kys
/v/ was always a fucking cancerous shithole
>>
Good, I've played since season 1, only got the meta runes that were used in season 3 and didn't bother buying any after that
shit takes too fucking long to farm
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>>378585362
Sounds to me like your brother is the problem, not the game

>p2w
The grind to get all champs is a fucking insult and Tencent can go die in a fire but still I got to plat playing only Janna and Zac so bait harder faggot
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>>378585557
>Muh Neo-/v/
The only decen game made by Blizzard is Blackthorne.

Fuck Starcraft AoE2 was better.
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>>378563046
>m-muh shill boogeyman
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>>378579323
Crack is free in the first time too.
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>>378580673
What did Ghostcrawler actually do to WoW? What was the one mistake?
I've heard him get a lot of shit for WoW but wasn't playing during that entire period so I don't know what happened
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>>378586645
Except it's not, but go buy some crack. It's a better use of time than this trash.
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ITT: salty babbies who cant get out of bronze or who had their friends stolen by the game.
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>>378587035
I have a bronze 5 friend. She still loves the game and has spent more money than any proud person should spend in this game and I've yet to hear her criticize it.
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>>378579078
>not being able to be aggressive unless your 5 minute cooldown is up
>having to gank someone twice to burn their "get out of dying free" cooldown before you actually gank them
>thinking this is anything close to good design

Your addiction-fueled stockholm syndrome is showing
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>>378587208
Heres an idea buddy. If they flash away, flash to follow them. Oh wow that was hard flash op gamebreaking!!!!! Also if you werent bronze you can kill them after the flash anyways. Flash is short as fuck. But its ok baddies gonna bad.
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>>378587371
>If they flash away, flash to follow them.
See the first line, retard
Way to prove my point

>Also if you werent bronze you can kill them after the flash anyways.
Not an argument
Unless your flash is off CD or you're playing a highly mobile character, you can't
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>People unironically defending this game
Neo-/v/ is a real thing.
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>>378587483
>See the first line, retard
>wards and understanding jungle paths dont exist.
mad cuz bad
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>>378577546
you are lucky, game exists for 9 years. I dropped it on season 2 or so. Never felt regret. As time passed and i played Dota 2 (dropped too) i realized how anti-consumer Riot policies are, i cant be League of Legends target audience. Any sane human being cant. Occasionally it was funny to see on /v/ how fucked Riot decisions were, what a retarded kind of community they developed.
So 9 years has passed and its actually pretty interesting how many oldfags left. Is there any information about this?
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>>378587371
>Flash to follow them

What, under their tower that does 1/5 your hp per hit or over the wall in their own jungle? I guess you can do that if you're fighting in your own jungle but not at the parts of the game where flash is most annoying.
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>>378578208
Man, I don't even give a shit. Playing Ziggs and turning every lane into a ww1 battlefield is just way too much fun. It's babby's first URF champion and it's the simplest and most retardedly overpowered thing to pick in that game mode and I apologize for nothing.
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>>378582136
>dota2 is dry and boring but LoL isn't
lmao
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>even Riot is less jewish than Blizzard now

If this game were owned by Blizzard, the new runes would be timed exclusives that you can only get out of hextech crates
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>>378587820
flash is short range, unless they are already in close range of the tower their flash isnt gonna magically teleport them half the lane.
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>>378587686
You clearly didn't see the first line because you're still ignoring its implications

>wards and understanding jungle paths dont exist.
All wards do is add even more layers of protection against ganks so I'm not why you're bringing it up, and jungle paths or warding have nothing to do with stopping the other guy from flashing into his tower that knocks off 1/5 of your hp per shot if you don't have your own flash to get back in or out

Are you just pretending to be retarded or what
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>>378587792
I've hopped between League, DotA, and Smite. I only got back into League about two months ago but Riot has really started getting their shit together after kicking retards like Lyte to the curb. I'm actually having fun with the game again.
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>>378587554
/v/ has regular threads of a mobile game with microtansactions, I think that beats PC games with microtransactions any day. Proof that it's OK if Nintendo does it.
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>>378587883
blizzard doesn't sell anything that effects your ability to win PvP for cash.
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>>378588252
Neither does riot since Runes can only be bought with in-game currency, which you can only earn by playing the game.
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>>378588314
You can buy IP boosts with real money
You can buy rune pages with real money
Having more champions to counter and synergize with makes you stronger
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>>378587995
first of all preventing ganks is a thing bro. The junglers job is to make the gank work. There is counterplay to getting ganked and vice versa. You shouldnt mindlessly play aggressive if you dont know where the jungler is or have 0 wards or if your jungler isnt on your side of the map. Calculated aggression is important.

Second of all flash is not a get out of jail free card. Everyone has it not just the enemy team. Its very short range and should be used to dodge abilities rather than for raw distance. Which is a good thing.

And third the tower doesnt do 1/5th of your hp unless its pre 10 minutes in which case you shouldnt be allowed to dive someone anyways. The game would be dumb as fuck if that was the case. And afterwards you can skillfully tower dive anyways. I dont understand what your logic is here.

People shouldnt die instantly for free because you ganked them.
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>>378588314
in game currency that is your power level. you can choose to have more champions to play or have another rune page so you don't get fucked in a match up for one champion you have. It was a basically pseudo pay to win and they are finally removing paying for runes thank god.
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>>378588520
there have been rune pages like mr armor ad and attack speed that work for every ad champ in the game into every matchup and the same thing is true for ap champs. Runes are not and never were pay to win. They help a lot for very niche champs but aside from that youd still be fine.
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>>378588665
runes are pay to win you cuck
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>>378588717
Good argument
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>>378588474
>first of all preventing ganks is a thing bro.
I don't know why you're telling me this, because my argument is that it's TOO easy to prevent ganks
>You shouldnt mindlessly play aggressive if you dont know where the jungler is or have 0 wards or if your jungler isnt on your side of the map. Calculated aggression is important.
And then this has nothing to do with anything I said so I'm pretty convinced you just didn't read

>Second of all flash is not a get out of jail free card. Everyone has it not just the enemy team.
That's the problem. If your enemy has it but you don't, you can't be aggressive and you have to burn it before you engage on them. This is bad design, it slows the game down, and it encourages waffling around playing boring and safe until your Flash is ready. In many cases, Flash IS a "get out of dying" free button, like when you have it and your opponent doesn't and you're flashing into safety. Early ganks are the prime example of this.

>And third the tower doesnt do 1/5th of your hp unless its pre 10 minutes in which case you shouldnt be allowed to dive someone anyways.
That's another problem. Early ganking is practically off limits thanks to Flash and the game's general design.
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>>378588842
You are contradicting yourself here.

>That's the problem. If your enemy has it but you don't, you can't be aggressive and you have to burn it before you engage on them.

exactly thats the punishment for losing flash.

>This is bad design, it slows the game down, and it encourages waffling around playing boring and safe until your Flash is ready.

so you prefer being able to mindlessly play aggressive at all times with no drawbacks?

>In many cases, Flash IS a "get out of dying" free button, like when you have it and your opponent doesn't and you're flashing into safety. Early ganks are the prime example of this.

first of all if your opponent doesnt have flash that means you took it from him earlier and hes being punished for using it.
second of all early ganks dont need to kill you to be successful taking someones flash is a big deal and will do a lot of damage to them. Even doing neither is fine because you can chunk them out and give your laner pressure.

>That's another problem. Early ganking is practically off limits thanks to Flash and the game's general design.

You dont need to kill them to have a successful gank. If they flash away and lose half hp thats a good gank. Also why should you be able to instantly kill people with 0 counterplay pre 10 minutes? Sounds like that would be bad design.
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>haven't played League in 3 days
>had 10 full rune pages
>mildly upset

Well, IP would be nice. I could use that on what I can only assume are 9600ip champions by now.
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>>378589471
>3days
Fuck, 3 years.
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>>378589471
7600 ip for the first week of a new release, then it's 6300
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>>378584814

It's just as bad if not worse because people feeding like retards and ignoring objectives now directly impacts your power level instead of just gimping themselves.
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>>378589336
There's no contradicting there, that's the same exact argument I've been making from the start. I suggest you improve your reading skills.

>exactly thats the punishment for losing flash.
Your point? It's bad design because it discourages combat and slows the game down.

>so you prefer being able to mindlessly play aggressive at all times with no drawbacks?
Nobody said that. Flash isn't the only thing in the game that can potentially inhibit aggression and you have to have your head deep up your ass to fall back on such binary logic like this.

There natural ebbs and flows to aggression caused by things other than flash, but they're should be dynamic and based on the actual state of the game rather than an all or nothing thing based on who does and doesn't have their free 5 minute cooldown ready. There are still times where you need to be passive with flash and there are times you can be aggressive without flash, but it still causes a HUGE split between the two sides and the game would be far better off without it.

>second of all early ganks dont need to kill you to be successful taking someones flash is a big deal
>You dont need to kill them to have a successful gank.
The whole point of my argument is that this kind of design slows the game down and especially makes professional games boring to watch, and Flash is the main cause of it being like this.
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>>378587997
well, i dont think League problems will go away. No matter how they try they characters still possess same set of abilities: skillshot, passive, dash. They need to redesign many characters to distance them from one another more.
I know League designed with spammed abilities in mind so skillshot is obvious choice. But i believe overusing it is a problem and it can should be dealt with. Im sure you can find good abilities design even somewhere on forums.
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>>378589471
>>378589545
I wouldn't expect them to just refund all the IP, especially due to the amount of players who already have all the characters unlocked.

If anything, I expect them to give us crafting loot boxes or something
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>>378557732
>tfw I came back to League because of Braum's sexy santa skin

These changes are cool too I guess
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>>378589927
>If anything, I expect them to give us crafting loot boxes or something
This is a thing now?
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>>378557732
>League of Legends now has fruit in the jungle
>healing berries by the baron and dragon
>exploding pineapples that kick you over a wall to steal dragon and baron
>a warding banana near the rivers that 'shoot' vision in whatever direction you hit it from

feels pretty video gamey, like chasing cherries and pretzels in Ms. Pac Man lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X07Bzpt1L4E
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>>378590005

>Don't miss League as a game
>Miss supporting as Thresh and Braum

Riot occasionally makes fun shit.
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>>378590018
Yep. Scoring well or having someone on your team score well can drop loot crates or a third of a key to open one, and they grant skin or champion tokens that you can either consume to rent or upgrade to permanent unlocks by spending a currency you get by "disenchanting" the tokens

It feels like skinner box mobile shit, but hey, it's free stuff
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>Runes and Masteries getting completely revamped into one thing
>Basically being nice, calm and collected in-game can net you rewards

Honestly sounds pretty cool. I bet a bunch of those keystone runes are gonna be OP as fuck though. The Overheal one is gonna make Soraka, Nami and Sona even more aids.
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>>378584814
>Why aren't YOU eating the cleanest shit on the pile?
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>>378587883
>even Riot is less jewish than Blizzard now
except that I've gotten 50 skins for free since HOTS 2.0 update for free out of crates that don't need keys
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>>378589835
if people died to ganks for free with no counter to it at all. The games would end at 10 minutes. Sounds like you just want to play a shorter game.

>Your point? It's bad design because it discourages combat and slows the game down.

If you know where the jungler is or have wards you can play aggressively even without flash. Calculated aggression is key not nonstop random aggression for the sake of it. There is a lot more to a 1v1 than flash. Its very minor actually.

>
There natural ebbs and flows to aggression caused by things other than flash, but they're should be dynamic and based on the actual state of the game rather than an all or nothing thing based on who does and doesn't have their free 5 minute cooldown ready.
What are you even talking about? Do you think flash is the only thing that matters in a 1v1 or all in?
I must be really slow because what i think you are saying is the game is to slow because people can survive ganks??

>The whole point of my argument is that this kind of design slows the game down and especially makes professional games boring to watch, and Flash is the main cause of it being like this.
So it would be more interesting if there was 0 counterplay and they just die and gg at 8 mins?
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>>378590390
>Basically being nice, calm and collected in-game can net you rewards

That's not how I see it.

It's more like upvotes on Reddit because you can make good contributions to the game and help your team and never get honored even now. It takes politicing 24/7 to get honor consistently.

Given that the game is literally made for Reddit, it shouldn't surprise me tho
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>>378589835
You are an idiot and so are all the other morons spouting
>FLASH IS SUCH BAD DESIGN WAHHHH

The bad design isnt flash but the game being designed around it. Flash really isnt that strong, whats strong is someone with a thousand dashes like lee sin coming out of the jungle and just closing on you infinitely. This is the bad design without flash it would be unbearable.

tldr game has bad design due to champs being balanced around flash and not flash itself.
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>>378588798
He's right though.
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>>378591206
>The bad design isnt flash but the game being designed around it.
>tldr game has bad design due to champs being balanced around flash and not flash itself.

In other words flash is bad
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>>378590259
>It feels like skinner box mobile shit,
Because that's exactly what it is. mobile shit has "free" stuff too.
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>>378585557
Neo /v/ lost faith in the Three Bs: Bethesada, Bioware and Blizzard.
Old /v/ used to love these companies until the redditors took over
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let me guess, game still has flash and is balanced around 1-1-2 and koreans
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>>378560959
They blatantly stole shit from HoTS and regurgitated it in their turd game
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>>378589471
>mildly upset
well, even after all these years Riot terrible game design decision normalized through illogical and sometimes inadequate rhetoric has left mark on ya.
Runes and masteries are gameplay feature. Just like variety of different (even thou slightly) champions shouldn't be hidden behind grind or paywall. Nothing should limit ability to choose and adapt to different tactics with variety of characters.
Runes is not the best addition to supposed variety of champion building strategies, but nevertheless affect gameplay by giving advantages. And if some occasional players doesn't waste his time or money (in this case even both, coz ip boost is only way to get currency needed for runes faster), they are simply in unfair disadvantage to same skilled player that did grinded\donated enough. Many people were talking about it every time, but Riotfags managed to neglect all the reason and logic. Saying that "its not that simple and many factors of skill and other players matter", but when you think about it: even one rune could be enough to deal enough more damage and kill someone, have more mana and cast one more spell. Any player know that close moments happen all the time and even small stats matter especially on early aggresive stages of match.
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>>378590729
>if people died to ganks for free with no counter to it at all.
I didn't say this. Flash isn't the only way to not die from a gank. Here you go with your binary retard logic again

>If you know where the jungler is or have wards you can play aggressively even without flash.
That protects you from the jungler, but not your lane opponent. The flash advantage isn't all about ganks, it applies to any trades and skirmishes.

>So it would be more interesting if there was 0 counterplay and they just die and gg at 8 mins?
Again, nobody said this. It's not all or nothing
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>>378591693
Yep, also runes are still not pay to win and League has more depth than Dota 2.
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>>378591206
>The bad design isnt flash but the game being designed around it.
Which is exactly what people who complain about Flash are saying
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>>378591386
The game has overloaded champs and needs flash in order to make them not game crushingly broken.

Flash is basically a bandaid to this.
or as some would see it flash enables broken champs to exist without being broken. Flash has its ups and downs and at this point its good that its in the game not bad. Without flash it would be boring as fuck and everyone would play super passive like dota and lose instantly when they get ganked. Flash enables aggression and it allows for a lot of interesting play around it late game like engaging and disengaging etc.
How would you dodge something like fizz ult if your playing ashe without flash. You wouldnt you would just die instantly with no chance. This is bad design. But if flash didnt exist neither could fizz.
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>>378591805
>and League has more depth than Dota 2.
(you)
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>>378591901
Without flash the champs wouldn't be overloaded. Flash isn't the bandaid, because as anon said the game is designed around it.
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>>378592070
t. bronze shitter
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>>378592070
League takes more mechanical skill than Dota 2.

T. someone who put in thousands of hours into both.
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Tic Tac Toe takes more mechanical skill than Go

T. someone who put in thousands of hours into both.
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>>378592171
my man you can't even look at other units properly
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>be Ghostcrawler
>be nerd famous for being a part of Age of Empires
>get job at Blizzard with WoW
>work way up ladder, get to make big cataclysm design choices, some people like it, some hate it
>quit Blizzard for some reason
>get hired at riot to tweak already finished game
>add loot boxes that are extremely hard to earn and jungle plants
seems gay desu
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>>378591901
>Flash enables aggression
In the most laziest, uninteresting way possible. You can't call Flash a bandaid and then make it sound like it's this amazing thing that makes the game more interesting.
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>>378592185
Not really, if you mean X button combo or insane reaction time with lots of APM then Dota is clearly the same if not better.

It's more that heroes with such high skill ceilings are fewer IMO but the overall skill ceiling in Dota is higher.
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>>378592171
>no argument

>>378592185
Mechanical skill isn't depth
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>>378591805
>League has more depth than Dota 2.
I barely played Dota2 and I know that's bullshit.
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>>378592435
None of it's bullshit, League takes more skill and is less p2w than Dota 2.
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wow so hearthstone has low skill ceiling?

lol stay rank 20

if its so ez they why u don't win blizzcon?
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>>378592185
League pretends to have mechanical skill by making everything respond instantly and tying abilities to skillshots but playing League I always feel like I have very little control over the outcome of my abilities since once I shoot the enemy can move instantaneously in any direction.
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>>378592389
Animation cancels is what I'm talking about. There are a ton of hidden animation cancels that are surprisingly hard in League. They are minor optimizations but they do make a difference. Riven is the prime example of this.
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>>378592410
That's assuming you had an argument to begin with.
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>>378592489
Elaborate. Dota's more complex heroes are infinitely more complex than League's.
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>>378592629
its b8m8
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>>378592565
You made the claim, you have to argue it first.
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spent

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20

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they better compensate me fucking well
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>>378592764
I already did, read the thread.
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>>378592719
Oh, I'll never understand this meme. What's the point of posting something wrong just to have someone correct you?
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>>378592547
Dota has animation cancelling.
If you mean cancelling animations and it happens faster or something that's almost certainly a bug itself.
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>>378592821
It's not in this conversation. Link it if it's actually here
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>>378592786
you aint getting jack kid
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>>378592091
>>378592359
>>378591901
>>378591890

Flash adds ways to outplay opponents by dodging their skills, surprising them, engaging on them in surprising ways or enabling a good play by you. On the flipside it has to exist because so many champs have been moblitity creeped into existence like zed riven and yasuo. Flash is not only integral to the balance of the game it also adds interesting micro mechanics and artificially raises the skill ceiling of the game by needing to have the reaction timing to dodge malphite ult and similar things. It also forces players to make good decisions based around it. There are ways to flash well and to have a really bad flash. Without flash league would be the easiest most braindead game.

IT also adds a mini objective for players to feel good about when they force someone to use it giving them a momentary advantage. It also slows down snowballing since people dont die to ganks easily and can actually survive getting camped if they play it carefully. And once again it allows a lot of game design to exist since flash allows it to not be inherently broken.

People who hate flash hate the game design and not really flash. I see it as more of an opinion thing. Flash allows the game to be fast and mechanical as opposed to dota where its very slow and strategic.
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>>378557732
Keystone Rune (?) Berserk on Trynda
Not only can you go beyond the 2.5 AS Cap, you can now roleplay as Guts even better!
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>>378593001
>1449627604972.png
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>>378593001
>League allows flash to be fast and mechanical

League isn't fucking fast, it pretends to be fast by slapping movement skills onto every champion and giving the game as little hard CC to restrict movement as possible but nobody fucking dies in League and it's a very ponderous game with lots of grabass around the objectives.
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>>378573935
LoL is partially pay2win.

Sure you can buy things that speed you up and you can advance faster than everyone else, but they can still get to the same point as you.

A game that's PURELY pay2win is one that gives an unattainable advantage to anyone that pays. Say you buy a gun that does 4 damage, and the stock gun everyone else has does 2 damage, and 4 damage gun is only available through paying real money. By paying, you have attained something that is IMPOSSIBLE to get otherwise.

In league it amounts to you getting runes faster, or having more champs. It's an advantage, but after a certain point, everyone gets there. Especially if you're ranking. Practically everyone has the runes and champs they need in ranked. And to go into ranked without everything you need at that point is your fault for being unprepared.
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>>378593001
>Flash is just a bandaid for poor design
>It's also a core mechanic that's required to outplay and allows a lot of the game design to exist

All the game's problems stem ultimately from flash and League would be better designed without it.
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>>378593149
thats completely wrong.
CC is short because people can be killed instantly from full health in 1 second flat. The game is fast because so much damage happens so quickly and so many abilities are being used around you. Movement is important just like in any other fast game. It sounds like you only watch the pro level. At the pro level its super passive and calculated because the game is snowbally enough that one mistake ends the game. This is slightly alleviated by flash which allows you to make a mistake but it also allows you to capitalize on a mistake.
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>>378592565
Actual multi-unit control, far more active items and utility on them versus LoL's primarily passive statsticks, the attribute system versus LoL's "stack this stat for ability damage," far more hero diversity with more potential for hard counters and powerful synergies, day/night cycle and heroes and mechanics that affect it, more complex vision game thanks to uphill/downhill, more animation canceling than LoL, tread switching, more types of disables and debuffs with more interactions (e.g. ethereal), camp stacking/blocking/pulling, actual freedom in team comp and lane layout instead of one forced meta comp.
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>>378593195
>LoL is partially pay2win.
Also known as pay2win
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>>378593332
League would be objectively much worse without it. It would be super casual and boring as hell.
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>>378593001
>Flash adds ways to outplay opponents by dodging their skills, surprising them, engaging on them in surprising ways or enabling a good play by you.
This is the good side of flash. The issue is that the way Flash is implemented causes lots of other problems and that good side could still be in the game if Flash was implemented in dramatically different ways
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>>378593525
League is already both of those things though.
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>>378593564
it would be much more so.
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>>378592821
If you can't actually point it out, it doesn't exist and you don't have an argument.
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>>378593442
But it's not really pay2win. You don't get anything unattainable from anyone else. You don't have an unattainable, permanent advantage.

Sure I think it's cheap and retarded to pay to level up and get shit before people, but it's not pay2win. And as I said, if you're going into ranked unprepared then it's your fault for being unprepared.
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>>378593525
>removing the mechanic that gives you a shield to survive mistakes and slows the game down would make it more casual and make it more boring
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>>378593716
it doesnt slow the game down. It does the opposite actually. Nice try though.
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>>378593658
>But it's not really pay2win.
>LoL is partially pay2win.
>it's only pay2win if you can get unatainable stuff

Yeah that's not how it works.
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>>378593397

have you played any moba besides LoL?

it easily has the longest ttk. the team fights last longer than any other game
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>>378593716
>>378593767
>>378593525

They should just suck it up and turn flash into a buyable item instead of a skill that everyone has to start with.
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>everything flash wanted to be
>but Riot fucks it up

lmao
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>>378593195
>LoL is partially pay2win.
LoL is completely pay2win.

New champions define the meta. Runes were detrimental to play until this patch, and cost money to get multiple pages of.

IP gain is painfully slow, and champion skins are the most common addition to the game. Which again impossible to gain without investing money(Their RNG crafting system is a fucking joke).

To say nothing of how targeted skins are, champions that are popular(eg Ahri) will always recieve attention more than unpopular characters.

League is a blight on the industry, and a blatant money/casual trap.
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>>378593767
>nearly eliminates early gank deaths
>provides a shield that needs to be burnt before actually killing someone unless they get completely and utterly facerolled (which almost never happens in high level play outside heavy teamfights)
>discourages aggression while your flash is on cooldown because you're severely hindered in skirmishes and trades against people who have it ready, encourages extremely defensive play until it comes off cooldown

Nice try though.
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>>378593875
So you are saying people dont die quickly in lol?
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>>378594014
Remember that skins are different models within the spaghetti code.
There was one skin that reduced damage received from the sides.
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>>378594032
No, he's saying they die slower than other assfaggots that have longer CC
Is it really that hard for you to comprehend one fucking sentence?
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>>378593843
>Yeah that's not how it works.

Why? Someone's not spending money to win? They aren't guaranteed a permanent advantage. I would get it if there's damage boosts or something, but all it amounts to is getting stuff quicker. I think it's cheap and dumb, but they aren't guaranteed an advantage forever based off of it.
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>>378594261
>They aren't guaranteed a permanent advantage. I would get it if there's damage boosts or something, but all it amounts to is getting stuff quicker.
This is how nearly every pay to win game works.
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>>378594024
>nearly eliminates early gank deaths
i dont see the problem
>provides a shield that needs to be burnt before actually killing someone unless they get completely and utterly facerolled (which almost never happens in high level play outside heavy teamfights)
What are you even saying here?
>>discourages aggression while your flash is on cooldown because you're severely hindered in skirmishes and trades against people who have it ready, encourages extremely defensive play until it comes off cooldown
might as well remove the cooldown on all abilities then especially ultimates. When ults are on cooldown it slows the game down way to much and discourages aggression.
Retard.
>>378594169
They dont though. People literally die in 1 second all the time.
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>>378594456
>They dont though. People literally die in 1 second all the time.
Did you even read my fucking post?
They die faster than that in other games and those other games have longer and heavier CC. LoL is just a slow, low action game when played optimally.
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>>378594024
>discourages aggression while your flash is on cooldown because you're severely hindered in skirmishes and trades against people who have it ready, encourages extremely defensive play until it comes off cooldown
It's easy to tell you haven't played League at any meaningful level before.

Losing flash often means losing and objective, kills are not anywhere near as important as objectives.
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>>378594647
Lmao dota is way slower at the pro level and slower at the casual level to. And dont even get me started on hots.
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>>378594674
dont listen to that bronze dipshit. He just wants to play team deathmatch call of duty.
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>>378594456
>i dont see the problem
Less action in the early game, fewer deaths in the early game (usually zero in professional games). Slows the game down and makes it less exciting

>What are you even saying here?
Why don't you use your fucking eyes and read the words on your screen, they tell you what I'm saying
It turns many kills into escapes, slows the game down and makes it less exciting

>might as well remove the cooldown on all abilities then especially ultimates. When ults are on cooldown it slows the game down way to much and discourages aggression.
You don't have your ult at level one, your ult costs mana, and ults do more than instantly move your character mid-combat and are rarely used to escape deaths.
Please stop and think next time before making a comparison this retarded in the future
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>>378594732
Its not a bad thing that league is slower

I think it makes it more watchable and let's you make more decisions during fights which in turn improves interactivity. But people die faster in other mobas and I'm not sure why you are arguing this
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>>378594647
How do i know you havent played league before.
People get instantly melted in league even tanks.
Challenger games usually last 20 minutes as well because its impossible to come back after falling behind since you die so quickly.
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>>378594732
it actually isn't

LoL Worlds had a super low kill per minute rating than Dota 2 International did in 2016.

First blood happens at like 20 minutes on average.

In Dota first blood happens before the game even starts because people can contest lanes and runes and wards.
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>>378594990
>kills are gamespeed
LMAO
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LoL truly brings the worst out of people what a cursed evil game
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>>378595030
then what is besides 20 minutes of mid just trading spammable q shots they just dodge
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>>378595052
Any team based pvp game does.
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>>378594732
Spew bullshit and cry all you want, Dota has faster kill times with heavier burst, harder and longer CC, and more deaths and action in high level play. This isn't something you can deny

>>378594965
>People get instantly melted in league even tanks.
Nobody said this isn't true, they said they get melted faster in Dota, which is undeniable true. How many times do I have to tell you to read?

>Challenger games usually last 20 minutes as well because its impossible to come back after falling behind since you die so quickly.
That isn't because you die quickly, it's because literally everything in the game scales numerically and the CC is so low that there's no way to turn a game around when everyone's playing optimally. Pic related
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>>378595127
>people just stand mid all game
The level of your thinking is kind of cute :3

Also it's zoning and map control.
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>>378594925
Holy shit you are a literal moron lmao.
literally go play call of duty shitter.
>OMG PEOPLE CAN SURVIVE MY GANK WAHHH
did you ever stop to think kills arent the end all be all of games?

>You don't have your ult at level one, your ult costs mana, and ults do more than instantly move your character mid-combat and are rarely used to escape deaths.
Please stop and think next time before making a comparison this retarded in the future
>an ability with a 5 min cd that goes literally 1/10th the distance of a lane that everyone gets is more gamebreaking then ults.

you are actually baiting arent you.
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>>378595030
Dota is faster in both. Kill rates are faster, and the lane phase is shorter with more roaming and swapping and earlier teamfights.
Try again
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>>378558335
Because deaths dance is broken as fuck.
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>>378595221
This is way more active and involved in Dota as well since you can contest jungle camps from lane and contest last hits on your own creeps.
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Enemy team = Posters
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>>378595274
>literally go play call of duty shitter.
>OMG PEOPLE CAN SURVIVE MY GANK WAHHH
Strawman harder

>did you ever stop to think kills arent the end all be all of games?
The game would be faster and more exciting if it had more kills in high level play, and players actually getting punished for getting caught having higher death potential is a good thing.

>an ability with a 5 min cd that goes literally 1/10th the distance of a lane that everyone gets is more gamebreaking then ults.
Yes, because that ability does one very specific thing, is on everyone from level one, and completely bullies the flow of aggression in the game. It's completely incomparable to ultimates in terms of what it does to the game and the problems it causes.
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