we know who really ruined the industry

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>/v/ hates the ps4 and xbox one because they are underpowered
>/v/ loves the ps2 even though it was underpowered at release
>/v/ hates the wii for bringing in a lot of casuals to vidya
>/v/ loves the ps2 even though it sold a lot of more than the wii
>/v/ hates microsoft for focusing on tv and sports with the xbox one and 360
>/v/ loves the ps2 even though sony was heavily advertising it as a dvd player in japan
>/v/ will try and defend this

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I brought all the cool features for actual good old gaming to people. Nobody has bought me.

>>378509258
The PS2 was the last unironic non-meme console that was actually good.

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>>378509294
Uuhhhmmm no sweetie

>>378509351
what the fuck does that even mean?

the elitist faggots demands for ultra grafix
that are so budget consuming that no company can ever again take any risk

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>>378509294
sorry, posted the wrong pic.

>>378509171
Best selling PC games
Minecraft
Terraria
WoW
D3
Counter-Strike
The Sims
StarCraft
Garry's Mod

Nope, not one casual game in that list.

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>>378509351
>PS2 has large variety of games
>all games on PS2 shipped with the full product
>it was good

>CURRENT YEAR gives us a large variety of games across Xbone, PS4, Wii U / Switch and PC
>nearly all CURRENT YEAR titles ship with DLC and/or are rehashes
>universally considered shit

>>378509171
Casuals stopped caring about the Wii after Wii Sports got boring.

>>378509563
>>378509418
Yeah, sure, since we talk about fucking Wii let's post "underrated consoles :P lol" and not the fucking watershed moment when Nintendo realized that it's not worth giving a fuck about gamers because normies-casuals = money.

"e-sport" brought all the casuals to gaming

PS3 set the bar high as fuck for realistic Triple AAA gaming that most companies almost always fail to meet because of how spoiled the general gaming audience is these days. Graphics shouldn't matter all that much towards games yet that's what companies mainly focus on to sell them and half the time the gameplay is shit or just barely satisfactory.

>>378509171
t. microshit

>>378509691
>its okay when the ps1 and ps2 did it

nintendo did nothing wrong

>>378509731
>realistic Triple AAA gaming
*realism in gaming

>>378509171
PS2 did it before that

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>>378509171
>every measurement of who plays games includes people who play mobile games

Why do they do this?

>>378509171

You're dense if you think the Wii brought casuals to gaming. There's a lot of different people that constitute casual gamers. The PS2 introduced just as many casuals to gaming as the Wii, if not more.

>>378509294
Making it a purple lunchbox that played minidisks instead of DVDs was the dumbest shit ever.

>>378509351
>unironic non-meme console

You need to get off /v/ for a week.

>>378509171

Literally every single thing about gaming that is shit today was introduced on the PS3 or 360 though.

Have an up vote OP

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>>378509171
Consoles with internet connection.

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>The Wii ruined gaming
Not really, most of the Wii's audience put it in the closet/attic after 1-2 months of use
THIS hunk of shit did way more damage to gaming
>Popularized CoD and Gears, leading to a horrid gen full of awful shooters
>Popularized paying for online, which meant that every fucking game in 7th gen had to waste resources making tacked on multiplayer modes
>Forced devs to make updates that weren't patches paid DLC, leading to horrid practices like horse armor, on disk DLC and microtransactions
>Turned Rare from an inspired game dev to a fucking Kinect shovelware producer
Microsoft deserves the hell that has been the Xbone's lifespan

>>378509734
t. underage fidget spinner faggot

Yeah, Sony with the PS2 and Microsoft with the Xbox.

>>378509969
It screams "early 00s". I personally adore the kitschiness of it. Weirdly enough, its exclusives had the same weird colors and design.

>>378509891
this.

Without the pieceofSHIT2. We'd still have sega

Withouth the PieceofSHIT3. We'd still have smaller studios instead of indy shit

Without PieceofSHIT4 we'd have a decent gen without movie and fifa crap

Over 100 million Wiis were sold. Where did all those casuals go after it brought them to gaming? Wii U sold just barely over a tenth of that. Everybody likes to pretend that it was because of a confusing name as if Wii owners weren't already used to buying shitty peripherals. The real reason is that these people are casuals among casuals and just wanted to try the hot new motion control fad. Once they got some basic party games they never felt the need to upgrade or try anything else. Gaming didn't cater to them, if anything the amount of shovelware pumped out for them pissed off AAA developers who began to abandon Nintendo.

>>378509731
AAAAAAAAA?

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Sony is to blame


SONY is a souless corporation that only entered the business when it was profitable.

SONY had no fucking background in gaming.


SONY is a conglomerate that tried to bully NIntendo into handing over their IPs.

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Pic related brought more casuals to gaming than any other console.

Gaming used to be a sanctuary for geeks. Playstation brought the high school jocks and the chads.

>>378509171
PS2 ruined games, Wii just dumped more fuel on the dumpster fire.

>>378509171
nigger all consoles have have casuals.

>>378510245
Damn it anon, you know what I meant.

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>>378510056
This post smells of bullshit.

>Popularized CoD and Gears, leading to a horrid gen full of awful shooters
Call of Duty predates the Xbox 360. Gears hasn't been relevant for a long, LONG time.Shooters in general were always popular you ass and their style fluctuates every 10 or so years. Overwatch just changed the landscape for shooters AGAIN.
>Popularized paying for online, which meant that every fucking game in 7th gen had to waste resources making tacked on multiplayer modes.
This was inevitable. Did you forget that console makers and publishers do it for profit?
>>Forced devs to make updates that weren't patches paid DLC, leading to horrid practices like horse armor, on disk DLC and microtransactions
Just like I answered the last question. The industry has big business will always try to milk more money.
>Turned Rare from an inspired game dev to a fucking Kinect shovelware producer
All of Rare's best devs left Rare by the time Microsoft started shaping them. The most you can blame Microsoft for is being the catalyst but Rare was doomed.

>>378510274
still salty about that n64, huh?

>>378510056
Although I generally agree, the OG Xbox set up the 360 by pulling in the Halo audience and keeping them in with the promise of sequels.

>>378510504
still no games to play huh, fifaboy

>>378509171
Western games.

I think is quite stupid to make games "more access to majority", a good game still a good game whatever the audience. Personnaly I think is just an excuse to make lazy, shitty games. By the way the another major cause is us, the players, who bought the games. Piracy is slowy dying, we have to pirate our games, and if its good we buy it. We have to force companies not to making good games, but defitively stop with the "Zero Risk" policy. It apply to everything in society. Remember old days the best games of our childhood was risky gameplay choices, tetris, The Sims, Simcity, etc...

>>378509171
Them forcing HD gaming and online at the expense of the entire budget strapped mid tier game devs?

Wii basically saved and kept the entire industry from sinking into hell.

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>>378510274
>Nintendo gets so assblasted about Sony trying to get access to their IPs that they give the IPs to Phillips

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>>378510497
You are being so defensive.
His point was that the children and retards with no standards that made up the 360 demographic were more willing to suck corporate cock than ever before and ended setting a precedent that has blighted gaming ever since.
And unironically trying to defend Microsoft's paid updates policy is the kind of echo chamber circlejerking fanboy faggotry that allowed Valve to run circles around the competition with their free updates system.

>>378509683
Wii Just dance 2017 sold a few million.
Wii Just dance 2014 placed higher on the sales charts across the globe then GTA5 during the holiday season.

The first console to be in the 200$ range, have 4 player local co-op and get that casual as fuck game stable is the one to win the entire thing.

Right now the ps4 is surviving on the few "HARD CORE GAMERS" there are still left in the industry.
No one else gives a shit.

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I unironically believe the industry is shit now because of the flux of mustard memers in the west born from the ps3/360/wii dumpster fire era. Now they fester in the toxic internet age of streaming, e-sports, and e-celebs. Their autistic screeches are the loudest voices which reach the devs and publishers.

>>378509796
>comparing ps1 to wii u is a valid criticism
Nintendo fags everyone

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>>378509171

No. We know what system really brought the casuals to gaming.

>>378511153

>>378511197
Thanks for the (you) :^)

>>378511275

>>378509171
I thought XboxHueg started it

>>378510315
Even when i like PS1, it's pretty much this. Also it started the whole "cinematic experience" thing.

>>378509171
Yeah, all those fifty year olds who only played wii sports sure are killing gaming somewhat fiercely.

How do we stop them?

>>378511164
Don't forget that it was ultimately the PS2 that brought the flood of EA sports games into the market too.

>>378511285
>he still responds with (you)
Thanks you're really showing me.

>>378509959
>The PS2 introduced just as many casuals to gaming as the Wii,

Aww, you adorably stupid bastard.
No it did not.
The wii brought in EVERYONE.
And it sold 101 million consoles to unique customers in less then 7 years and continued to sell long after nintendo stupidly sunsetted it. And the wii was a solid piece of hardware. They didn't pull the ship complete shit to the customers and count on rebuys to fluff up the number.
Basically all of those consoles were sold to different consumers, not resold to the same consumer. Meaning a larger base of customers to sell more games too.

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The Wii audience is pretty harmless. It's the casuals that Sony/Microsoft almost exclusively cater to that are actually harming the industry.

>>378511339

>>378511290
Pretty much, it shifted the focus of console gaming onto online FPS, and then CoD dominated the market.

>>378509171
Yeah, that damned PS2 that all the casuals and normies bought because of the DVD player.

>>378511412
What casuals?
The handful of diehard "HARDCORE GAMERS" that didn't completely give up on the industry?
The ones that are still using their ps360's and have no plans of upgrading because the current gen is a goddamned trash heap?
The ones that will outright quit gaming before being forced to upgrade to one of the trash current gen consoles?

>>378511641
The current PS4/Xbone audience is 95% casuals. Every year they buy their Call of Duty and Fifa, maybe an Assassin's Creed, and they watch Netflix.

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>>378511080
>Right now the ps4 is surviving on the few "HARD CORE GAMERS" there are still left in the industry.
The top selling games on PS4 is normalfag/casual shit like FIFA, and CoD though.

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>>378511334
>EA sports started with the PS2

>>378510163
AAA publishers flooded the Wii's library with all that shovelware to begin with.

>>378511757
That's not what I meant. Of course they were on far older systems. The PS2 exploded the popularity of the genre though.

>>378509171
Not really, most people who bought the wii were kids or the elderly (wii fitness). Think 'casuals' started with Xbox 360 (halo 3, cod, etc).

>>378511740
>implying LoL and Mario game no. 865554 Isn't the same casual shit as GTA

>meme generator
>calling other people casuals
nice

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>>378512024
Like 70% of the people that bought a Wii haven't bought a new console, that's why Nintendo's sales have been mediocre as all hell.

>>378511892
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PlayStation_2_video_games

There's a lot of good games ahead of Madden on this list.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Xbox_video_games

Gee, I wonder why the generation after this had such a HUGE focus on console based online FPS games. Hmmmmm.

Nintendo has been doing it since the NES

>>378511736
You do know that 95% casuals came from last gen correct?
They didn't just start this gen.
This gen is shit and survives on WE HAVE THE SAME THING FROM LAST GEN JUST WITH BETTER SKINS AND A FEW MORE PIXELS!!
No seriously. This gen is objectively worse then last gen in every single way that matters.

>>378511740
Fifa and CoD are HARDCORE GAMES FOR HORDCORE GAMERS LIKE MYSELF.

Stuff like mario, pokemon, just dance, minecraft, sims etc etc is casual stuff. Things that all gamers can sit down and play and have fun with or get something out of on some level.

>>378511428
mmmm yes more (you)

>>378510315
>>378511293
Actually the Genesis started this trend. The NES and SNES were seen as consoles for kids, while the Genesis was targeting older kids and preteens with its edgier games (Alter Beast was a big launch title for the thing, that should say something). The PS1 continued this trend by targeting teenagers as a whole.

Also you don't really know what "cinematic games" means, it doesn't have to do with cutscenes.

>>378511641
Last generation was complete trash man.

>>378511334
The jocks picking on you in High School doesn't make EA Sports games bad, mate.

>>378509171
The 360 did more damage than the Wii ever could

>>378509171
Yes we do and it was Microsoft.

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>>378509171

>NOW GAMING IS SHIT

What is shit about gaming now and how is it wii's fault?

>DLC
>paid online
>games are either a success or a blunder, no space for middleware that isn't indie
>less exclusives/less variety of catalogue among platforms


You can't blame all this shit on wiiSports, mate.

>>378510497
Call of Duty 2 was a 360 launch title
No it was not inevitable, but Wii and PS3 had free online.
Left 4 Dead was supposed to have free DLC but microsoft cockblocked Valve and they were forced to sell any updates. This is also why Team Fortress 2 on 360 and PS3 had no updates since they also added content with each update. PS3 didn't get it free due to parity clause.
Most of Rare was still at Microsoft 5 years ago. Most of the best talent is still there believe it or not. Games like Viva Pinata shows that Rare still had it, but Microsoft only wanted them to make the new Kinect Miis

>>378509171
Fucking WRONG

PS2 did that way before then, and microshit brought all the dudebro amerifats that pushed its cancer until it fully spread in this gen. The purple lunchbox and the memecast funnily enough were niche consoles, iwata jumped on the casual bandwagon after they got shitstomped by seeing the competition bring in those same casuals on the previous gen.

>>378509171
This exact same logic can be applied to the PS2 or even the NES.

>>378510163
>if anything the amount of shovelware pumped out for them pissed off AAA developers who began to abandon Nintendo
AAA devs were the ones pumping out the shovelware, though.

>>378509171
>implying grandma is playing call of duty
get real faggot these people only ruined cellphone games and that's no big deal.

Brown and black people ruined traditional gaming.

>>378509632
Are you living under a rock? Garry's mod is casual as fuck and normalfags play it all the time.

>>378520317
Casuals always existed. But v calls everyone a casual. Even people who played a lot and don't anymore.

Even the people who quit are causals.

>>378511361
Loolllollllll

Retars want dlc.

>>378510315
Ps1 had the best rpgs of any system next to snes though

Playstation brought in more normies

Not that you are old enough to remember.

>Wii brought all the casuals to gaming
>Not the PS2

Okay brah