Anyone else upset at the lack of different builds/playstyles

Don't be foolish. That's the type of game that it is. You might as well get upset at Dark Souls because you can't use a gun.

I don't get upset at how effective shields are in dark souls, why would I get upset at another games specialisation?

>>378498851

Then play an actual Souls game. I heard there's 3 of them now.

>>378498851
Guns made armor irrelevant for the most, but the game could have something like a conquistador -esque armor

>>378498851
>game sells itself on playing as a fast and swift beast hunter
>retard complains about that very thing

>>378499037
This. That's the paradigm of bloodborne. Non-stop aggression. That's why the game will reward you for getting in the enemy's face and attacking and will even give you health back for a short while after the enemy is already dead if you continue to attack. If you take damage you don't back down but you attack even harder. You can move while healing so you can position yourself for better attacking. Or mostly there to supplement weapons so you can remain on offense not. That's the type of game bloodborne is and it fits with the setting.

>>378498851
You can go caster, blood only, dex blood, full strength, dex and or strength quality.

There is variety, but no tank and spank builds obviously.

The weapons have alot of character.

The lack of alternate routes bothers me more. I would have liked a world more like Dark Souls to encourage replays.

>>378498851
>i want to be a tank in a horror game
nah, you're just an autistic faggot

There's plenty of ways to change up your playstyle, it's just that tanking is mostly out of the picture unless you want to chug lead elixir and use some high-rally weapon. The way you approach bosses with different builds is still pretty good, as the difference between high beasthood, slow weapons that stagger shit to death, quick weapons without much stagger capability, complete meme weapons, or gun/tool using builds is pretty engaging. The rabbit hole doesn't technically go as deep as souls games, but the more distinct weapons and tools make it a lot more satisfying when you try something different, and by the time you exhaust most of the possibilities there's a good chance you've got more than your money's worth in terms of playtime.

>>378498851
>Anyone else upset at the lack of different builds/playstyles in this game?
Not really, no.

The only thing I want are more chalice dungeon tilesets.

>>378498851
>What if I wanna be a tank?
With the regain mechanic and the guidance runes the DLC added, that's actually more viable than in any of the souls games

>>378498851
just pick the greatsword, the wheel or the hammer and enjoy hyperarmor better than ds3's.

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>>378498851
Bloodborne puts an emphasis on mostly the best types of builds, hence the lack of shields and lack of percieved variety in builds. The secondary mode for weapons adds more variety than it seems initially, and the DLC also adds unique weapons such as the gatling gun which can be outmaneuvered with ease if the player on the recieving end is skilled enough..

>>378498851
memes aside, every different weapon is a different build and playstyle in itself

>>378498851
>what is wheel, chikage ludwig's sword.
actually play the game before you whine.

>>378499037
I am upset with dark souls because i can't use a gun.

My biggest problem with Bloodborne is how weapons and arcane are distributed.
It's upsetting making a new character in BB with a solid idea of what you want your character to use only to remember that you don't get it till the latter half of the game, and this is made even worse by the fact that BB is so linear that you can't help but get what you want later on.

What bugs me even more about the distribution is the arcane. Hunter tools can only be found once, unlike the weapons which you can get however many times you want. So if you want to make an arcane-heavy character then tough luck because you don't get most of the good shit till late in the game. Why couldn't they have made it so you can get hunter tools at the shops, and not just found in one, single, specific locations in the game? it 's even more baffling because you see a couple other NPCs in the game using Hunter Tools as well.

BB's my favorite game next to DeS, but holy shit the availability of some things in the game fucking suck.

>>378501663
I will cosign on this. Oh you want to make an arcane character? Well get used to the Tonitrus because that's the ONLY weapon that scales with arcane until you slog to the weapon you actually want. And you can only get the Tonitrus after clearing central Yharnam, killing Gascoigne, getting to Cathedral Ward, dying to the snatcher, and working your way through Yahargul. That sucks dick for arcane characters.

>>378499353
*4

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>>378498851

>>378498851
Builds are more based around the weapon you favor since the weapons play so different from one another.

>>378498851
I feel like the interconnectedness was just put in for the sake of interconnectedness. Like how forbidden forest leads to iosefka clinic. What was the point of that? How does it fit into the lore? It's pointless cause bonfires just let you teleport in this game.

>>378498851
Just play souls. Shame but bloodtinge and arcane feel more like something on the side

>>378499037
Technically you can use a gun. It's called magic. There's some sorta rapid fire stuff or big badaboom and plenty of support.

It's a legit complaint. DS triloghy ha s good variety of playstyles. BB doesn't.

>>378499643
>full arcane or bloodtinge
Good fucking luck. You have to wait hours before you get something that scales with bloodtinge or arcane, the hunter tools eat up bullets and some of the already small pool of tools are redundant, like the one that lets you cover your weapon in slime

>>378503003
>is stupid
>can't into arc builds

pottery

>>378500659
Theres a sawed off shotgun in this game? Where can I find it?

>>378503182
>have to follow a convoluted list for a full arcane
>nu uh you're just retarded stop insulting my favorite game
pottery

>>378502260
>kill gascoigne, cleric beast optional
>beat blood starved beast for chalice
>create chalice
>kill flame enemy on level 2 or kill hot dog for fire gem

You can now dump all points into arcane and use any of the beginning weapons or any weapon you find because they all scale with arcane stat now.

I've played this game so many times it isn't funny.
>quality build first playthrough
>arcane/str build with tonitrus and wheel
>pure str build with hammer
>skill/blt build with katana and evelyn
>dlc comes out
>made a pure blt build for bloodletter
>99 arcane build and focused on tools and parasite
>another heavy build with pizza cutter and a bit of arcane for buffs
>a quality and zero insight build for claw transformation
>finally made a skill build to try all the skill weapons I never bothered using
>going to go through the whole game again with friends this summer using only guns

>>378503416
pure arc/blt are not for new players, are not very accessible, nor do they need to be
Not everything needs to be handed to you on a silver platter

>>378503453
Also

>kill gascoigne
>buy cathedral emblem or kill blood starved beast
>kill vicar amelia
>enter dlc
>run past everything
>kill simon for bowblade

Now you can bloodtinge the game until you get chikage

>>378503416
>fire gems for fire damage
>arc gems for arc damage
>bolt gems for bolt damage
>cold gems for arc scaling
oh my god so convoluted

Whats the best way to deal with Gascoigne? Those gravestones get in the way too much and when he transforms shit hits the fan and I get torn apart. Even his pre-transformation phase annoys me when he fires his gun in the middle of a combo and I try to evade it and still get hit by the gun even when I get ready to evade.

>>378503774
>if you can't jump through hoops for a different build then you're shit
I bet you use the term git gud you condescending faggot. I've played it multiple times and it's still a pain in the ass to do

>>378498851
You definitely need to dodge as blocking is not an option but that's where it ends. The builds vary greatly, you just don't know what you're talking about.

>>378503996
>have to waste time in chalice dungeons for quality gems
would you and the rest of the bloodborne defense force fuck off

>>378504009
If you're terribad (like me), you can use the headstones to your advantage by keeping a group of them between you and using the maximum reach of your weapon to cheese him until phase 2.

>and when he transforms shit hits the fan
Have audience with girl and remember special item.

>>378504009
Molotov cocktails. Also use the music box.

>>378504021
I've played through bloodborne numerous times, and I find its nice to have to do things differently for a build
Granted, it doesn't do it as well as dark souls 1, but its still a nice change of pace

>>378504107
>22% phys from winter lanterns in dlc
>22% bolt from shamans in dlc

>27% phys from watchers in chalices
>27% elemental from watchers in chalices
would you stop being stupid

Honestly they shouldn't have even bothered with stats in the game. Like others have said the "builds" in this game are just based on which weapon you're using. It most certainly is limited in styles compared to DS. And anyone including the DLC in a discussion of the base game needs to fuck off.
>Sure, you can make a strength/blood build... If you pay an extra $20.

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>>378504432
>there's a real human being somewhere out there with an opinion this retarded

>>378504210
It's fine if you like it but it would have been better if they gave you something near the start, just a taste of a bloodtinge or arcane weapon. Useful hunter tools come in around mid to late game and they eat through blood vials and QS bullets
>>378504321
>the gems are hidden behind the dlc by two of the most insufferable enemies and chalice dungeons
>I-It's not fucking annoying I swear

>>378503208
That's the repeating pistol, sold by the bath messengers after getting one of the sword hunter badges

>>378504432
This might be hard for you to understand, seeing as you're a fucking retard and all, but maybe bloodborne simply isn't for you

>>378504824
>He doesn't suck the cock of my favorite game!
>I'll call him a retard!

Children.

>>378504752
>have to waste time in chalice dungeons for quality gems
>prove that you literally don't

>y-yeah well those enemies hurt my bum-bum!

lol. it's like watching a little kid cry that novels are stupid because they don't have enough pictures

>>378498851
>What if I wanna be a tank?
you should play a different game.. in fact a different franchise than soulsborne cause there is no "tank" in any of them no matter what you wear or do at least not in single player ...dont care much for autistic online crap.

>>378505062
>no "tank" in any of them
what is demon's souls, dark souls and dark souls 2

>>378504940
Upon reading your post, I've done some reflection. He's right, bloodborne really would be a better game without stats and it should be forbidden to discuss a game as a complete whole when the possibility exists that some people can't afford parts of it.

>>378505062
Everyone ends Bloodborne with roughly the same health, stamina and DPS. The only difference is what weapon you use, if you think it's not limited in builds then you're simply wrong.

>>378498851

Tanking in bloodborne is the most fun its ever been my dude, just be a little less passive.

Dump points in health (obvious) pick a weapon with good rally, the axe is honestly the best for this, and use your hyperarmor to ignore attacks and regain all the health you lost by your own attack.

L2's are the safest way to do this, but if you get ballsy you can time your charge attacks, and transformation attacks, a lot of weapons in this game have hyperarmor on their trick attacks.

Mind you this is great for mobs and most bosses, so long as you can withstand one hit you can regain all of your health in the bosses recovery time. But if your one of those morons who thinks he should be able to block a massive barrage of attacks or falling skyscraper with a wooden board, you are beyond help.

>>378504949
>have to waste time in chalice dungeons for quality gems
>prove that you literally don't
but you do for two of them. How convenient for you to forget about that.
>y-yeah well those enemies hurt my bum-bum!
Frenzy is not a good mechanic and the shaman area is a cluster fuck and most do it the dlc around the end of the game. I know it's characteristic of small children to cry git gud but you're lying if you beat Ludwig, Living failures, and Maria early

>game clearly advertised as fast pace aggressive
>complain bout the very thing
I bet you complain about how Subway only sells subs and sandwiches

>>378505406
Why do you need the best gems in the game early? You don't need anywhere near top tier gems to beat the game at all

>>378505475
Why are you moving the goal posts? I just want gems that are useful

>>378504753
I have the saw and sword hunter badges and when I talk to the bath messangers to buy stuff, they are still selling the same stuff from the beginning and I scrolled through everything and the new items that are supposed to be there are not being shown? I dunno if I am doing something worng or I'm being dumb.

>>378505406
>but you do for two of them.
i demonstrated that you can get arc gems comparable to phys gems without "a convoluted list" that didn't make you "have to waste time in chalice dungeons".
you're argument is shit. you're too stupid to play the game and like any other stupid person, you think it's the game's fault

>wahhh frenzy wahh other shit i'm not going even dignify by reading it
you're shit. and it's sad

>>378505716
There's a second sword hunter badge

>>378505727
>PLEASE STOP INSULTING MY FAVORITE GAME YOU'RE JUST RETARDED
ok

>>378498851
Not me

>>378505630
For physical builds
>main constantly gives you physical atk gems as you go, never need to hunt for gems if you go physical build which is 90% of what players do

For arcane builds
>you can get a fire gem from a brainsucker right after blood starved beast
>you can get tonitrus right after blood starved beast to last you until you get free bolt gem after rom
>you can get an arcane gem in forbidden woods

No chalices or farming needed for any of this. You don't need better gems than what the main game gives you to beat every fight in it.

If you choose to do old hunters, you will get powerful preset gems there as well. Again no farming or chalices needed.

Farming enemies in main game or chalice dungeon for the best gems is only if you want to do highest level pvp or high new game + cycles really

>>378506013
All told I think the highest elemental damage you can get in the base game is 18% Arc + 15% Nourishing + 9% Arc.

That's pretty rough given two of those gems are in Mensis.

>>378506013
>>378506384
Thank you

>>378506439
Nah you're still a whiney faggot though.

>>378501663
you can get a fire gem after you kill blood starved beast from going to the street under the workshop

it's extremely powerful if you know what you're doing, you can do more than 1k damage in a single hit sometimes

>>378506384
The best physical in the base game is +18% +18% +15% nourishing

That last arcane being off isn't going to be huge, If you went arcane build by that point your hunter tools will cheese the fuck out of anything anyway. Again, the game gives you the gems you need to beat it in the base game, no farming is required.

>>378506529
no u

>>378506703
>Again, the game gives you the gems you need to beat it in the base game
I don't know if I agree.

I've done several purist Arcane runs, but never base-game only, so I can't say for sure, but, fighting Rom, Shadows, Paarl, TOR, or any other mid-game boss I'm forgetting, with one 9% fire gem, or one 7% bolt gem, or doing any of the game with one 9% arc gem, seems pretty tough, especially for the kind of dorks who are given to whine about arc in the first place.

There's nothing wrong with "having" to get a few decent fire gems from Pthumeru, and the practice shouldn't be denied for a few casuals' shitty opinion.

Bloodborne is far more of an action game than any of the Souls games, I'm not even sure why they're compared to be honest.

>>378498851
No, the game is literally perfect and an objective 10/10. Never ever, PCbro.

>>378507058
Assuming arcane build

>darkbeast paarl
>heavy weakness to fire
>weak to serration
>fire saw cleaver/spear
>attack legs to knock it down once
>mash attacks on its head and it can't do shit the rest of the fight

>shadow of yharnam
>greatest weakness: arcane
>cheese with auger
>just stay close and mash r1 on the last guy so he can't summon snakes

>rom
>greatest weakness: bolt
>obliterate with tonitrus

>one reborn
>greatest weakness: bolt
>again obliterate with tonitrus

The thing is that you DON'T have to do the chalices or farm, that's all I'm saying. It's stupid to avoid chalices just on principle because of how fun and rewarding they are, but it's absolutely true that you don't need them to beat the base game and you won't suffer if you skip chalice dungeons during your first run.

>>378498851
I always play as a dexfag so I don't really care. The lack of left-hand options kinda sucked though. Used a torch the entire game.

>>378498851
>What if I wanna be a tank?
Then fuck off and go play boring Shield Souls.

The game is literally designed to be fast paced no matter what build you choose.

>>378503003
You can literally have an arc build going by 1 hour into the game, it's so fucking easy to find fire gems at the beginning.

>>378504752
If you want end game items you gotta do end game content you little faggot.

>>378507521
Meh, fair enough.

I'm not convinced the kind of person who'd whine about it in the first place could actually do any of that (I'm not even sure if I could), but then I haven't tried, and and I never straight dumped into Arcane for the damage boost, since I knew I was getting decent gems.

>>378507731
Not an arc weapon or not shitty hunter tool though

>>378508024
Almost every weapon in the game is an arc weapon what the fuck are you on about

>>378508094
>what the fuck are you on about
The dude's a fucking retard, man. Don't bother.

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>>378498851
>he didnt spec 99 health stat with runes for pure hp and arc gems to make his saw cleaver raw arcane.

Fucking idiot.
People can invade and have more health than most bosses in this game. Because in Bloodborne, of all games, its the ONE FUCKING SOULSBORNE GAME where health stat gives UNLIMITED RETURNS. Also stamina doesnt mean shit in this game if you're using something like the saw cleaver or using stamina up runes. You only have yourself to blame for not thinking.

>>378508094
I mean just putting an arcane gem on a weapon is pretty boring

>>378508024
>Not an arc weapon
You clearly don't know how Arc builds work m8, this isn't Dark Souls where a weapon is only useful because it scales off a certain stat baseline.

>>378498851
>lack of different builds
yes
>playstyles
wut no
every weapon is different

>>378508338
The irony of his post is that every not-split weapon is functionally an "arc weapon", and that all "arc weapons" that have split damage are almost universally better gemmed with Nourishing gems.

>>378508338
You're right it's bloodborne, a game which fans constantly praise for its unique weapons and slap an arc gem on one and call it a day

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>>378503802

>not rushing to Cainhurst after Amelia for the Chikage

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>>378508486
>trying to insult a game by stating its mechanics

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>>378508517
>Chikage

>>378508486
Yes my dude, putting gems into weapons is indeed how it works.

>>378507521
actually, thats wrong.

Just use oil urns beast blood pellets and fire paper for fucking EVERYTHING, and youre set


killed Laurence in under a minute with FIRE whirligig/saw cleaver, ironically because hes a beast he takes more damage from fire than any other element, once the urns negate his fire aura fire defense, then further reduce his base defense with exploiting innate beast weakness to serrated and fire with whirli/saw cleaver.
Oil urns just fuck everything in the game up.

>>378508797
>ironically because hes a beast he takes more damage from fire than any other element
>Fire defense 744
>Bolt defense 200
>Arcane defense 200

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>>378508797
>beast blood pellets and fire paper
>killed Laurence in under a minute with FIRE whirligig/saw cleaver
> because hes a beast he takes more damage from fire than any other element

>can't use fire paper on elemental weapons
>elemental damage isn't affected by BBPs
>lawrence has 200 arcane and bolt defense, but 744 fire defense.

>>378509060
Reread post. Oil urn double negates that number.

He takes critical damage from fire once oile urned, far moreso than bolt or arcane can ever do.

Things the wiki cant tell you, anon.

>>378503453

>Gems

Hitting something with a saw cleaver that does fire/arcane damage scaling off of my arcane stat feels exactly the same as hitting something for physical damage that scales off of my strength/skill. The problem with Bloodborne is that it takes a long ways into the game before you get the fun arcane/bloodtinge weapons and items that actually make them feel like different playstyles; there might be ways to make arcane viable up to that point, but until you get that stuff it just feels like any other character.

>>378509126
you use base element saw cleaver specced for pure phys gems, or a boomhammer with fire+.
Oil urn the bitch, fire paper if its pure phys you're sticking with, then go to fucking town.

Once your oil urn runs out, repeat oil urn, then squash laurence like a bug.

>>378509126
elemental damge may not be affected, but remember you are using a serrated weapon on a beast, and CAN stack that buff with whatever elemnt you are doing.

Anon is right, its free damage.

>>378508517
>but the chikage is so expensi-
Being able to sell the knight and doll sets for 50k+ each was one of the smartest decisions ever, they really thought of everything

Bloodborne is an action rpg that's an action game first and an rpg second. Nothing wrong with that. It just focuses on the other side of the same coin.

Since every player will have the same speed and mobility, the devs can tailer the enemies, difficulties, and experience around that fixed character mobility for a more consistent game.

Though, if you want to be a tank just level vitality and put on armor with the highest physical defense you can find. You can still be a tank in Bloodborne, though it's certainly arguable whether that even makes any sense or not.

Remember, you're not free to be a mage, a cleric, an assassin, or a berserker. You're a hunter. As is everyone in Bloodborne. Hunter is kind of like it's own class and regardless of what kind of hunter you choose to be, you are still a hunter. Not a knight or a sorcerer.

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>>378509060
>>378509126
Get eyes, eyes on the inside

every pve enemy in Bloodborne really is trivialized by oil urns/bbp/firepaper.
To the point where enemy stats do not even matter.
even cursed feted defiled rotted chalice bosses, so long as you dont get hit while bbp is active.

I killed hotdog with fire using anons method.
Oil urn and firepaper is counterintuitive, but beasts actually do take more damage from fire once their resistance is nulled by oil urns, like >>378508797 said.
Enemy resistance stats really actually dont stop oil.

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>>378509757
firebeasts* I meant to say

>>378508797
Anon might actually not be lying. What a strange time.

Unoiled damage was ~230. Still, it only lasts for one attack and you can only carry 10.

Interesting, though.

>fucking 3.01MB
>>>/wsg/1713479
>>>/wsg/1713479

>>378499037
The problem is that BB doesn't offer any more depth with its one style of gameplay than Souls does with its many. You iframe through everything and attack before your opponent does. You don't have much incentive to try out alternate styles that your build might be weak against or go out of your way to experiment.

>>378510424
oil urns might last a bit longer than that though?
Theres also the consideration that whirligigs L2 attack might be considered one singular continuous attack, allowing one to stretch the effect over a longer time for more damage.

At the very least, I feel the times I've used oil urns, theyve had a lot longer an affect than one single hit, at least in pve.

>>378510668
BB has a hyper armor system. Baiting into trades is as close to "tanking" as it is in the other Souls games.

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>>378507520
10 days

I was going to try this game out but I heard somewhere this guy managed to 100% it in just ten days so I bought horizon instead

>>378510868
It's not even about wanting to 'tank' specifically. Dodging uses so little stamina it has barely any cost, so you just end up spamming it because what else are you going to do? It's stuff like that that irks me. Everything is so simple like that.

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>>378504321
>22% phys from winter lanterns in dlc

nigga those gems is cursed

>>378511465
...k?

>>378505062
>you cant wear havels/smoughs armor with a big shield and swing a fat weapon in any souls game
idiot

>>378511465
You reroll till you get the variants that merely curse you with extra stamina consumption, Weapon durability down, or Damage vs beast/kin down, if its for pvp purposes.

All the best gems in the game are cursed gems.

>>378511465

The stamina curse is almost not even there, just farm till you get those.