Is it already over /v/?

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>>378474208
It's been over

>>378474208
It's been over for years now.
Japanese games have sucked shit for close to two decades now. It's part of the reason why their local industry went up in flames.

They deserve their fate.

>>378474927
that must be why the best games in 2017 have all been japanese games?

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>>378474208
not while miyazaki is still alive

>>378474927
Nigga, explain this year then.

inb4 they all suck nigga

>>378474927
Dunno, Dragon's Dogma, Majora's Mask and Splatoon came out within the last 2 decades. Those are some pretty good games.

>>378474686
seems legit, conman is an expert on making bad games

Fujibayashi made BotW as he saw fit as a director and it was a fully realized vision and a masterpiece.
Kojima is not the Japanese video game industry.

>>378475005
>>378475080

>that must be why the best games in 2017 have all been japanese games?
ONE
FUCKING
YEAR

One year doesn't make up for almost two decades worth of fuck ups.

A handful of titles that came from the outliers of their industry actually got the spotlight. And good on them. Because their big boys are terrible.

>>378474686
This coming a guy who delivered a piece of shit with an overinflated budget? Fuck off.

>>378475381
But Kojima is still making big budget nip game.

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>>378474686
how many layers of irony are in this picture?

>>378475005
Not him, and I've always have and will favor JP games, but it's not like they have any much of competition nowadays.

>>378475005
>Fails of Linkin Park
>Nahr Autofarta
>Pershita "FotM memeshit" 5
>UbiZelda Blow of the Whore
>any of these being good
Fuck off.

>>378475236
>weebs so desperate to defend their fallen-from-grace country with a sharply declining birth rate that they have to resort to citing a shovelware mistake like Splatoon, which mind you has an competitive scene that is now deader than even Battleborn
Pathetic.

>>378474686
Remember how after he said this, Capcom started outsourcing all their big IPs to western companies and every single one of them was a trash heap that bombed spectacularly?

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>>378474686
>japanese developers need to learn from western developers

>>378475465
How am I a weeb? I don't even watch anime, and jrpgs are mostly trash. But those slinteyed gooks know how to make a good game every now and then.

But for real now, anon, you should go to bed. You are in that state where you are so tired you don't really care and shitpost just because.

>>378475398
>One year doesn't make up for almost two decades worth of fuck ups.
>two decades

do you know what a decade is

>>378475465
OK, anon.

I can't wait for death stranding to come out and be a total pile of dogshit.

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>>378474686

>But across the world, American games are the best-selling and considered the most fun.

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>>378475465
>average western games fan

>>378475465
What do you enjoy?

>>378475465
you know what you're talking about anon do not let these meme-faggots tell you otherwise

>>378474208

I don't think it's over completely, just at the AAA level. Once your game's scale/budget crosses a certain point the risk of letting one guy's vision drive the whole thing stops being worth it and you have to go with more of a design-by-committee approach.

Persona 5 was number 1 in a few countries outside japan on release.

But it was strategically released in a lull between big titles.

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>>378476114
There is nothing wrong with this image.

Isn't From Software's games continually doing well?

Weeb games from established companies do tend to churn out the same formula, but japanese indies are doing some pretty interesting stuff and now they can reach an international audience via steam.

>>378476114
>IGN
God Hand review.jpg

>>378476114
Capcom probably hasn't got the cash to inject 100 million into marketing.

>>378475005

Gee I didn't know that Prey was made in Japan

>>378475045
Miyazaki is a hack, dumbass.

>>378475456
Who the fuck is this cute girl(boy)

Skyrim and COD made a bunch of money. Paradigm shifted for half a decade to
>we want the call of duty audience
>open-world is the only world
but now the pendulum is swinging back to the east. Japanesey design has been rocking it the last year or so.

In another five years, people will be sick of Souls clones and Squenix's action-RPG formula.

>>378474686

most EA high budget games turn into shit and must are hyped as fuck.

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>>378475465
You could have just called them all shit, but right now (you) are trying too hard mate.

This article is about sales. Even the writer is talking about sales.

None of these hacks care about good games, only sales.

"We need to pander to the west" so they can sell more copies. Western games only sell because the majority of the western userbase are children or brain dead adults.

If Japan really wants to pander to the west then they need more walking simulators and edgelord scripts from comic book level writers. They need more gritty polygons and grimdark garbage. Lots of guns and big fat fake tittied girls with no ass.

Or just claim that your game is politcally correct and pander to Reddit.

>>378474208
he's alright.

That article itself is garbage, but the title is still correct.

I can't think of the last time I played a Japanese game that wowed me with its design on the whole. Breath of the Wild and Resident Evil 7 did for like an hour or two before I started noticing the flaws and getting tired of the games.

hell the last game that actually outright impressed me through and through was Arkham City.

>>378474208
Both east and west are fucking stale. I haven't seen any AAA dev or AA dev coming up with anything new in years.
Indie scene is what keeps new genres coming up, yet the implementation is often so poor it makes you wish for some major developer and a decent publisher to take over and do something worthy with it... but then you get dota2.

>>378476634
>Squenix's action-RPG formula
This was horrible the moment it started, I can't see people wanting more of it.

>>378476114
>Nips make a fun game with some of the best combat in an rpg
>It's given an average rating
>Bethesda shits out a buggy mess where the gameplay boils down to press one button to attack and the illusion of your choice
>Their game gets ported and remastered everywhere

>>378474686
Yes this article is so correct, look at DmC: Devil May Cry, such great sales, I sure am glad the West actually knows how to make good action games like DmC and God of War, and not garbage like DMC3 or Ninja Gaiden Black or Bayonetta.

>>378477060

I'd say indie scene + countries that aren't Japan or America

Prey 2017 was pretty good, and it was made by French fucks. Witcher is Polish. Metro is Russian . . . just a few examples.

>>378475681
Well the first part is an objective truth, second obviously being subjective.

>>378475681
how is he wrong? gta V and assassin's creed sold tons.

>>378475045
Kojima could make a good mech game, Miyazaki couldn't.

>>378476634
>Squenix's action-RPG formula
Hated it since the beginning.

>>378474208
>2015
who cares

>>378474686
>>378475569

The Japanese industry was in a bad place back when he said that, to be fair, but a big part of the problem was that the bigger Japanese publishers were trying to chase after the western AAA juggernauts and (by and large) failing miserably, something he played a big part in pushing Capcom towards. Now Japanese games are making a comeback, mostly off the backs of small to mid-tier titles that are distinctly Japanese but still manage to appeal to westerners, and it's the western AAAs that people are getting tired of.

And of course, meanwhile Inafune's completely fucked over his reputation. Similarly, Phil "Japanese games just suck" Fish seems to be in an eternal cycle of meltdowns and ragequits.

>>378474208
I love all the people itt that cannot handle reality. You might enjoy Japanese games but that doesn't change the fact that Japan is struggling to compete with the west.

Neir Automata and Persona 5 are niche titles that sold maybe a million each. That is not enough to compete with western titles that easily sell 5 million+ copies.

Zelda:BOTW is riding purely on Nintendo fans' desperation for real titles. It is also due to the fact that it is the only game available on the Switch.

Japanese developers have to adapt or they will fall behind even further. When even big name Japanese devs are admitting that they are behind, it means they are behind.

>>378474686
Literally stopped reading at "best-selling"

The absolute worst thing about video games is the people who buy them, because they're braindead fucking niggers.

>>378477192
if something sold the most, it's widely considered the most fun. people don't buy garbage.

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>>378474208
>>378474686
>hacks and hasbeens say the era is over
>meanwhile Japan has never dominated this hard in over a decade

Really makes you think.

>>378477119
The problem is the 15 or so hours fun in Dragon's Dogma is behind 30-40 hours of walking slowly down empty roads while the same enemies respawn in the same places with your pawns spouting the same dialogue.

If anything the game deserves a far lower score than what it got, Dragon's Dogma has shitloads of potential to be one of the best action RPGs ever made, but the game as it came out is awful and full of easy to spot flaws, so easy that I can't believe the game was released the way it was.

>>378477197
>>considered the most fun

That is entirely his opinion. GTA V sold a lot of copies but it is worse than GTA IV and revolves entirely around microtransactions. The actual single player is an after thought.

Meanwhile Assassin's Creed has never been good.

>>378477315
What are the fucking competition, chaim?

Nobody gives a shit about sales.

>>378477197
rockstar are english, ubisoft is canadian

idk but he's a faggot with a gay name and insists that his game be in ALL EBIN CAPS so it can shit up my steam friends list

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If this year has proven anything it seems like the Japanese industry is going through a resurgence rather than a decline.

>>378477364
GTA5 dominated this decade with over 80 millions copy sold. It's sold 5 million since this february.

>>378475465
Fucking rekt. Set these small minded children straight anon.

>>378474208
Well apparently "gamers" were over quite a while ago so it's not like it matters anymore

>>378477184
Yeah, these games don't come close to the shit japs make.

>>378477486
Is that why all the Japshit this year flopped compared to objectively superior Western titles?

Face it weeb, the more these slit eyed chinks hang on to the past the greater their chance is at crashing. They must adapt or die.

I think it's a symptom of the industry as a whole. You think Japanese games are good now, but they were better in the 6th gen and below. Even western games stood side by side with the japanese greats of that time. Now all games, both western and Japanese don't hold a light to the previous generations. You could ramble all you want about Nier, Persona, Breath of the Wild, but those aren't even the best of their series let alone their genre, and as for western games, they died the moment MW2 came out and everyone jumped on that.

>>378477060
Name one genre invented by "indie" scene.
>>378477248
Armored Core is better than any Kojima trash.

>>378477696
>ven western games stood side by side with the japanese greats of that time.
maybe PC western games.

Console western games suck dick shit.

>>378474208
you already know it OP
time to take different path

>>378477721

ACfag is that you?

>>378477498
GTA5 launched on two systems with where one install base was already bigger than all current gen install bases combined, and then launched on PC, and then launched on next gen consoles as well. No one is surprised it does well.

No one in their right mind dreamed an ubisoft open world Nintendo game, fucking Nier with its sexualized characters and modern political climate, and highschool wish fulfillment simulator 5 would exceed as well as they did in both sales and scores.

>>378477721
>Name one genre invented by "indie" scene.
egglike

>>378477849
Just a regular Armored Core fan.

But really, ZOE doesn't feel like a mech game at all.

>>378474686
>cited Lost Planet 2
It's funny because LP2 was easily the best game in that series, and the one they outsourced to the West was both shit and SOLD like shit.

reminder that hideo was parodied on a tv show on cartoon network

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaaXSgkJomw

hideo nojima

>>378474686
>Japan is 5 years behind the west

And still weebcucks can't get the memo, eh?

>>378477662
This anon unironically perceives these ten games to be objectively the best of The Year of Our Lord 2016.

Let that settle in.

No Man's Sky.
No Man's Sky is one of the best games that came out last year. The Division in Number 4.
Wowie.

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Didn't Sony give Kojima the studio and resources to do pretty much anything he wants? He doesn't really seem like a good example for the point he's trying to make.

>>378477930
What's that?

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>>378477987
>this is the closest Kojima will ever get to participating in Hollywood

>>378477721
Yeah, but Miyazaki only made two of them and people only liked them because of Kawamori's influence.

>made the best design of the two games
>gameplay design heavily influenced by Macross

>>378477287
>The Japanese industry was in a bad place back when he said that
No, it really wasn't. Japanese companies just didn't pay as much for marketing in the west.
Now that they are, journalists have no choice but to admit that maybe yeah, Japanese games are good I guess, as long as we get our fat paychecks.

>>378475005
They're getting there.

I think it's important to remember, though, that the big games we got from Japan (Nier and Zelda being the biggest), were either sleeper hits (Square had NO FUCKING IDEA Nier would be as big as it ended up being) or experiments that happened to turn out well.

Meanwhile, the big, tentpole productions that these companies hang their hat on, the best recent example is Final Fantasy 15, is a huge, disjointed, tonally confused mess.

>>378474208
>Kojima
>Japan's All-Powerful video game designer
Ultimate kek.

>>378478203
Director*

>>378477645

I thought nier sold a bunch

>>378475465
Cringe tbqh

>>378477248
Kojima was just the producer, he had no creative input in ZoE.

>>378477819
Well I'm referring to hidden gem games like Second Sight, Primal, Project Eden, so on. When I said stood side by side, i didn't mean as memorable, but there was heart and passion put into those underground western console games. And yes the PC ones were good too.

>>378478159
And why does that matter?

ACV/ACVD shows that they don't even need Kawamori designs.

AC can stand on its own.

And I would argue 4 and FA feels like Macross at all, super fast gameplay, check, but transformable, nah?

>>378478059
Based Todd rekking fake RPGs.

>>378475465

okay then quick question. what games DID you like that released this year?

>>378477287
>it's the western AAAs that people are getting tired of.
Western AAAs keep growing each day my man, the burnout is only a vocal minority unfortunately

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>>378474208
Easternh devs cant sell games in the west because they dont promote diversity or LGBT rights with their games like we do here so noone likes them.

>>378478332
Come on those games are trash too.

They are decent, but nothing comparable to the great era of PS2.

>>378478336
ACV and VD also weren't made by Miyazaki which is the point of my argument.

>>378478391
this. Western games are still selling strong, and even more strong than last gen. GTA5 is an example.

But this year alone Japan has been releasing some amazing games

>>378478059
t. man who directed a game in which a figment of a dream realized he was in a dream but believed the dream was his and gained godlike powers as a result tries to build a giant mecha to spread space cancer out of the remains of a giant Babylonian-elfdwarf-atheism-powered god mecha because he was butthurt about jungle Romans, but gets stopped by a guy who was mentored by a hermaphrodite who famously raped the god of rape and then raped the resulting babies to death who uses tools that were designed to manipulate sounds to control the power of the heart of the god who died and created the world from his corpse

>>378476114
i will forever feel like shit for not buying DD on releaase with /v/ i just wasnt sure if it was good

>>378478305
Producers are responsible for putting together and managing the team and assets of the fucking game, it's still a major position.

>>378474686

>japanese developers need to learn from western developers

translations

>japanese developers need to make more open meme games with light rpgs elements but NOT be a rpg, romance options without the sexual because that is triggering to my fat ass and easy mode option to not exclude anyone

>>378477287
What's 'suck my cock, choke on it' doing these days?

>>378478492
To be fair, it's decent but not amazing without Dark Arisen.

>>378478431
Miyazaki is making the new AC game, let's see if he keeps the Macross influence or references it with Souls influence.

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>>378478492
/v/ actually shat on it really hard for a while.

>>378478557
He's still ripping off japanese games.

>>378478408
This. It's the current year FFS

>>378476114

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>>378474686
>6 of the first 10 games in the top best selling games of all time are from a Japanese Company.

>>378477171
>or Ninja Gaiden Black
>Black

Shut the fuck up you fucking parrot

>>378477364
>>378477287

The amount of weeb denial in this thread.

>>378477863
>No one is surprised it does well.
Becoming the 4th greatest selling game of all time is an absurd achievement that every dev would want to have.

>>378478642
>>Capcom
>>2012
>>good
>pick one

funny how nothing has changed in 5 years

>>378478525
Yeah but people don't go around saying Iwata made Smash, everyone agrees it was Sakurai, the same way Okamura made ZoE, not Kojima

>>378478683
that's 7 of 10

>>378476458

>God Hand review leaves IGN so flustered that they appease its' fanbase by not only re-reviewing the game when it came out on PSN but put it on their Top 100 6th Generation games

>>378474686
Why can't Japan afford $70 million budget games? Fucking Poland did it with TW3.

Nip games can't win.

>No budget to shill your way into success
>If you appeal to the mass market you lose the one thing making you relevant

It's not their fault the industry has gone to shit.

>>378478783
It is, but no one is surprised that the latest installment in a long running and successful series with massive marketing budgets that dwarfs the actual development's budget and online multiplayer that is constantly updated reaches that peak.

>>378478408
Thank you, totally-not-gay director of 2016's biggest hit kino.

>>378477184

>Prey
>good

Dead Space called back when it still had a soul. They want their space survival horror back.

>>378477441

>Nobody cares about sales

Lol

>>378478907
The only ones who seem to be able to really afford it is Square Enix, and even they can't really afford to make a game half as expensive as GTA

>>378478871
>Tetris
>Minecraft
>GTAV
>Skyrim
Which one of those is Japanese?

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>Japan keeps making games with modest budgets targeting certain, specific demographics
>Sales remain steady with occasional sleeper hits
>The big Western Publishers look around trying to find a genre to turn into the next big thing
>With enough budget and hype you get a few titles that score great sales
>"Is this the end of the Japanese Video Game Industry?" articles will start popping up; citing how their sales are a smaller percentage of a greater whole but the static amount hasn't dropped
>Western Publishers start pushing bigger and bigger budgets for the same genre on shorter release schedules to maximize profits
>Money keeps rolling in
>Suddenly, a few titles do really poorly because the huge budgets can no longer sustain the short development schedule and passionless devteam
>People start looking back to Japanese titles which have been doing the same thing of making modestly budgeted games
>Sales of Japanese games goes up a bit
>Journalism goes into Damage Control Mode until Western Publishers find a new way to hype up a genre
>Cycle repeats

This is what is going to happen for the next few generations.

>>378477662
don't twitch viewers mostly watch personalities, and so go where their favorite streamers go

>>378478907
>le yurop game isnt le west maymay

LOL

Japan has no idea how to tell a story in a game.

One of the biggest thing the west is doing right now is learning how to integrate story into gameplay. It doesn't always work out for the best, granted, sometimes you end up with a lot of "Talking hallways", but they're trying, dammit.

Meanwhile, Japan is stuck with text boxes and character portraits.

We've got this fantastic technology that can animate facial expressions with unprecidented believability and ease, and the "Best" Japan can do with it is Persona 5, a game that I dearly love, but, graphically, could be put on a PS2, and you'd miss nothing.

OR you end up with Final Fantasy 15, in which everything BUT the character animations are lacking. Like, there's no middle ground. And the gameplay still sucks.

Meanwhile, Injustice 2, a fucking fighting game by the Mortal Kombat people, manages to tell a better story than many actual DC movies, all using real-time graphics and some absolutely stunning facial animation.

How does that fucking happen? How does a cash-in character fighter manage to have better storytelling tools than Atlus, the disputed king of storytelling in games?
And they manage to do it on half the budget and in a third the time as Squeenix, the OTHER supposed master of storytelling in games?
This shit makes no sense.

>>378477315

You are the same as the corporate fatcats who are begging Nintendo to go full mobile.

>>378478610
Armored Core has always had heavy influence from anime, but as far as design goes they're unique enough to not be directly ripping off anime or other mech related things.

Kawamori has been a lead designer for every game up until ACFA (Miyazaki's last AC game), even ACV and VD still kept the boosting mechanics from 4/FA.

He's probably going to either try to recreate the older style or take direct references from some anime. The latter is most likely because of how AC reboots itself with every numbered title.

>>378476587
nice try

>>378478453
>But this year alone

That's kind of the problem, yeah.

This year alone.
Not last year.
And sure as shit not the year before.

>>378477368

Come on man, not that I entirely disagree with you but you cant tell me DD combat is more repetative then skyrim's.

>behind 30-40 hours of walking slowly down empty roads.

Or, you know, you could buy the cheapest mushrooms and sprint everywhere.

>>378474208
>classic kotaku

only big "western" (Belgian, really) industry release I'm even interested in in the foreseeable future is DivOS2. If Japan's era is over, then the western industry is already dead and laying soaking up shit and piss in the gutter

the big japanese publishers need to knock the wind out of those "big name" idiots in charge of games like Final Fantasty 15, though. the problem is I think those guys are the bigwigs at the publishers so they're surrounded by yes-men agreeing with all their terrible decisions and ideas.

Metal Gear Solid 5 -----> 81 million $ to make (Including marketing)
The Witcher 3 ------> 81 million $ to make (Including marketing)

>>378477696

>Gen 6

so are you implying that Wind Waker is better than Breath of The Wild? Because you're fucking wrong.

>>378479083
It's already happening. Most of /v/ is too retarded to realize that not every game need 100 billion sales and a 400 trillion marketing budget to be successful. Apart from Zelda and arguably Persona 5, every other jap game released this year has pretty much been a AA title, and all of them have been deemed successful by their publishers and developers.

>>378479181
You do realize Persona 5 has been in development since Persona 4, right? That technology didn't exist that extent back then.

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>>378479181
>western games
>good stories

9/10 bait, like how you didn't outright shit on Jap games and tried to pander to /v/'s current FOTM game.

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>>378474686
>MN9 is absolute garbage
>Lost Planet 2 was fucking excellent but wasn't well received because it expected a minimum level of intelligence to reach the bottom of the learning curve
My and my friend remember figuring out the train gun was the coolest fucking shit, and it didn't take long at all. Then we saw multiple review that complained about FOUR people being stuck on it not knowing what to do.

>>378478059

>MUH REALISM

fuck off

>>378475465
Are you 12?

>>378479380
I said 6th gen and below. I never even mentioned Wind Waker nor did I say the best game's in their series were 6th gen. Last I checked Nier was released on ps3 and 360.

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>>378474686

>Once founding his company, he immediately makes two complete copies of Japanese games

Inafune's such an idiot. He deserves all the hate.

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How weird is it that most of Ninja Gaiden's sales come from the west?

Is it still legacy from it being HUEG exclusive at the beginning?

>>378479426
Why would that matter?
They knew what they were doing. They knew what the PS3 was capable of. They even made Catherine, which happened to have some pretty great character animation, and a good story to back it up.

And then P5 is graphically P4HD. Shit don't make no sense

I wouldn't want Japanese games to become Westernized the same way I wouldn't want Western games to become...Japanitized?

Variety is the spice of life and I'd rather have options than have everything be fucking identical.

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>>378477315

The difference is budget to sales.

Western titles often sell better because they have significantly larger budgets that allow them to push and hype their games so they get greater coverage. Hell, most Western titles in the last few years had a bigger budget just for advertising than what Automata had for the entirety of its budget.

This is because Japanese studios budget games around a concept that they can guarantee X amount of sales: anything higher is just a bonus. Western studios funnel more and more money to make sure the games do sell big.

As long as that formula works it looks great on paper. However once it fails (And cracks are beginning to show), a game that fails to sell will cost a studio tens if not hundreds of millions.

>>378479181

>learning how to integrate story into gameplay

stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. I don't even have to read the rest of your graduate thesis otherwise known as your wall of text to tell you VIDEO GAMES DO NOT AND SHOULD BE LIKE FUCKING HOLLYWOOD MOVIES UNLESS DEEMED NEEDED OR EASIER TO EASE INTO GAMEPLAY.

You are the same as the mouthbreathers who completely ignored Square until the Playstation era because OOOH PURTY GRAPHIX!

>>378479793

Someone post that webm from the new Mass Effect game. It has the same problem with punches. It looks like they are just limply waving their arms at their enemies, instead of punchin with full force.

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Weebs BTFO. Fuck off and take your shitty taste to r/anime.

>>378480054

>still shitposting when they were refuted already

shouldn't you be making another thread ACfag?

>>378480224
>still in denial
Shouldn't you make another thread, 2Bfag?

>>378475236
MM is the most overrated game on /v/, and the crap leftover from OoT. The only people that like MM are fags, cutters, and hipsters.

>>378479665
Japan hates hard games
Look at the backlash Nioh got for its alpha and beta launches

>>378480209

>japan didn't do 3D well
>clapistans first try at 3D platformmers on consoles was Bubsy 3D
>japan has Mario 64

>>378480309
I liked it as a kid, sucks to be you if you don't like it because it is popular on some silly website.

>>378474208
The best days of Jap games were from the late 80s through the 90s up until mid 2000s ending in a valiant end with the glorious PS2 era. Since Microsoft's Xpuke took over, gaming has became trash. If the Japs wonder why their games don't sell like western games it's because the majority of gamers (that have exponentially increased) are used to McDonalds-tier carbon copy rehashes (cod) that have pay to win and dlc out the ass. Gaming started going down the toilet when Microsoft entered the fray and will decline further until the crash.

>>378479665
>>378479665

It's because Ninja Gaiden has a lot more going for it in the west.

>Muscular, masculine hero.
>Gore and dismemberments all over the place
>Sexy women with big tits, nice assess, and thicker than the average Asian bodies.
>Name recognition and Nostalgia as "That NES game that was super fucking hard"
>Modern setting
>Main hero is constantly referenced in other games, even Halo at the height of popularity.
>Prominently featured on both Xbox and Xbox 360.
>Genuinely challanging gameplay during an era where challanging gameplay died and had'nt made a comeback.
>Cross exposure thanks to Dead or Alive.
>White people love Ninja more than Japanese people do

>>378480209
remember when crytek took consoles by storm

>>378478492
I knew it wasn't bad when I saw that their nights were dark as fuck.

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>>378480224
haha
too easy

Mass Effect is dead, rest of Bioware to follow soon
Deus ex is dead
Hitman is dead
Tomb Raider is dead after the next game
Gearbox is a joke, they'll put everything they have left into borderlands 3 then die
Halo is dead
Gears of War is dead
Titanfall 2 failed
Microsoft are cancelling everything and pulling out entirely
new game from saints row devs is so doomed I cant even remember its name, it'll fail and they'll die
Disney killed all their studios and affiliates and just handed over all their marvel stuff to japanese devs

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>>378479181
>One of the biggest thing the west is doing right now is learning how to integrate story into gameplay


Nigga have you ever played Ninja Gaiden? That game does a great job at integrating story into gameplay.

>Press start
>Ryu jumps out of a bush and kills a ninja
>Now you're playing and you have to kill more ninjas
>FUCKING CHECK THAT SEAMLESS INTEGRATION SON GODDAMN


fuck off

>>378479952
Actually, I completely agree with you, and if it was up to me, games wouldn't have stories at all.

However, both the eastern and western game design is trending toward more story in games. That's just the way it's going.
The difference is in HOW they're going about it. The west is trying to integrate that story into gameplay somehow, while Japan, for the most part, is still content with just cramming in more cutscenes.

As an example, Uncharted 4 is full of highly scripted sequences that are, essentially, cutscenes, but they at least give a token effort to make the player feel involved somehow.
Persona 5, by contrast, has absolutely no problem with hours of text boxes and character portraits, rendering the player completely passive.

Again, if it was up to me, there wouldn't be a story at all. I personally feel like the idea of a narrative in a video game is jamming two diametrically opposed concepts together, to the service of neither, but that's where the industry is headed.
And keeping that in mind, the west has the better idea of trying to keep the player engaged by at least giving the illusion of gameplay, something Japan simply doesn't do.

>>378475398
I'm not sure you know how long a decade is, but forgetting that for now, the fact that all of these great Japanese games came out at the same time can't just be a coincidence. Something has changed in the Japanese industry, and we're just now seeing the results of that change.

the problem Japanese RPG man had was that western RPG gamers are on PC, not console, so Dragon's Dogma was on the wrong platform to be a big hit. People buy consoles to play Halo and Madden, not to play Finaly Fantasy Homo Elf Simulator or whatever that LOL GAY NERD SHIT is about. Think it sold well, well for being a generation old game at least, when it finally made it to Steam/PC.

>>378480889
Ninja Gaiden IS great.
But Ninja Gaiden isn't an overall indicator of Japan's attitude toward storytelling in gameplay.

>>378480882
>People who attend EA Play 2017 can play Star Wars Battlefront 2 and the next Need for Speed game, as well as this year's sports games such as Madden 18, FIFA 18, and NBA Live 18.
can't wait to see you anons at ea play 2017!

>>378480209
I'm not defending this guy at all but please don't confuse this one idiot with all of NeoGAF. I don't even post there but this guy's thinking is a minority.

That said, the guy's fucking stupid and it's just really sad to me that there are some people out there who suck the West's dick so hard that they actually believe shit like this.

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>>378475465
I know it's a troll post but I'm on adderall so fuck it

>failing country
>he thinks birthrate is a primary indicator of success for a country
>he thinks he understands geopolitics
>he hasn't noticed the spike in Japanese military involvement
>he doesn't realize Japan is positioning itself to be a primary power in the region
>he talks about a country while possessing no actual knowledge of the country
>memes

>>378480893

I'd rather not have a choice than be given the illusion of choice. "muh suspension of disbelief" or something. there is a real reason why fans threw a massive shitfit when Etrian Odyssey decided it needed a cliche anime story.

I don't like the Uncharted HEY IT'S LIKE I'M REALLY INVOLVED IN A CUTSCENE approach because A) it play out in 2 way success or failure. no in between. and B) it pretends like your choices matter. Bioware is fucking cancer.

>>378480889
is 2 worth playing?

>>378481538
Not him, but yes. It is heavily flawed, but the basic combat system is actually greatly improved from Black/Sigma to 2. It's just such a shame that the balance is shit and that the game is outright broken in some areas.

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buy my game, white man.

>>378477721
Moba, Roguelike, Roguelite, and then there are games like Papers Please that don't belong in a genre

>>378479181
>One of the biggest thing the west is doing right now is learning how to integrate story into gameplay. It doesn't always work out for the best, granted, sometimes you end up with a lot of "Talking hallways", but they're trying, dammit.
Except Japan always has done this better than the west.

>>378481474
I'm not even talking about the Bioware/TellTale style of unecessary decisions.

It's a really simple concept; if I'm playing a game, I want to be doing something in the game. I want to be directly involved in some way. Really, in ANY way.
Western games can get this part right or get it wrong, but they, at least, try.
Japan is still stuck with text boxes and overlong cutscenes. Which is NOT involving in any way.

Basically, when it comes to telling a story in a game

West: Involve the player, good (but not perfect)
East: DON'T involve the player, bad.
Simple as.

>>378479181
i'd take textboxes with portraits over forced drama facial animations with cringey hair and forced movielike shit any fucking day

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>western media
>games are over
Fuck off

>2015
>its been 2 years already
i wanna fucking die

>>378479181
It makes no sense because you think injustice 2 is good.

>>378480404
I just assumed most of that came from the west. I mean go watch any stream from that time and all you hear is faggots going "muh Souls, muh Souls, muh Souls, ...".

Nioh didn't exactly turn into a casual game, enemies still do as much damage as ever. All that i lost was from them giving up on unique mechanics to more closely resemble the game they were copying, I'd say it got more boring, not easier.

>>378480517
The only reasonable argument there is that it was on a system most nips didn't even know existed for too long

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>>378474686
Is there such thing as being too much of a westaboo, where you start to hate your own country? Just how much does Inafune hate himself and Japan? I honestly wonder if he dreams about beating himself or having worked as a prison guard in a Japanese internment camp during WW2.

>>378475465

this opinion triggers /v/

>>378479181
>absolutely stunning facial animation.
almost every character wears a mask or doesnt have a face, or is a fucking gorilla

>a better story than many actual DC movies
a fucking low bar, the story is a person shows up, we fight now because aliens

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>>378481538
The only NG games not worth playing is Yaiba (shudder) and vanilla NG3 and that Nintendo DS game no one knows exists

Ninja Gaiden 2 / Sigma 2 and Razor's Edge are all amazing. If you liked the first one you owe it to yourself to play them.

>>378479181
let me tell you about my facial animations in my 2.5d fighting game with shitbad fighting animations
do you get paid by the post

>>378474208
That kind of article would sure as shit not be written today. Japan is dominating right now.

>>378474208
ur mom is over. at my house.

>>378475465
What's the first game.

>>378482691
>and that Nintendo DS game no one knows exists
But that game is kinda worth playing if you can find it for cheap. I bought it for like sub~$3 and I felt like I got my money's worth. It's a fun little game that actually feels like a NG game.

>>378474208

>One hack leaves Konami
>It's the end of the Japanese video game industry

No, just the end of the Mountain Dew and Dorito's era that Japan briefly experienced. We still have people like Aonuma, Kamiya and Miyazaki. The only ones that are crying about this are Amerilards

>>378482598
>>378482763
From what I've heard, the story is a complete joke as well anyway. Pretty much all of the Big 3 are way out of character.

>>378482268
>The only reasonable argument there is that it was on a system most nips didn't even know existed for too long

How funny is it that the original Xbox pretty much became the continuation of the dreamcast and had tons of japanese hidden gems that were overlooked because the west only cared about halo and project gotham racing.

>>378478907
Guaranteed returns. When you make a game like GTA, CoD, or Fifa, it's literally a given that you'll be seeing the same buy bots purchasing it again rather than considering against it. They will treat it as if it were golden and as if every flaw was a funny joke. These people exist not only within your home country, but every nearby country as well, and they just "know" your brand is definitely going to be good, so they'll buy it again. TW3 is one of those odd exceptions to the rule, because so many PC fans propped TW2 up to the high heavens, so they could afford dumping in a little extra to make a high-budget game. Even with games that have huge names like FF, they cannot risk failure with a budget that high, because their own community are the initial sampling (Sub-800K for almost everything) and the world at large needs to make up the remaining slack, which can be a massive gamble.

Ironically enough, Pokemon entirely warrants a tremendous budgeted game, seeing as how it pulls a fortune with every release. However, Nintendo realizes that going easy on the budget means immensely greater profit, so they just...don't.

>>378474686
This is the worst opinion I've ever seen, and no wonder, it comes from a fucking hack

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Actually JAP games have been doing a return to form as of late. There was a small period after the golden age where they were too heavily influenced by western games but that is over and done

>>378483134
pokemon is in an awkward position


ironically, evolution just cant pay off. minor changes are needed to keep from selling the exact same game, but adding mechanical depth to pokemon could make it "not pokemon anymore". and lets say the changes made are widely considered improvements, who the fuck is gonna buy pokemon that wouldnt already? no one, so any time and money spent was wasted.

>>378475005
Because Japan is five years behind aka stuck in the era when games werent so shit.

>>378483358
>There was a small period after the golden age where they were too heavily influenced by western games but that is over and done
You can literally thank Inafune for that. That stupid interview where he said Japanese games were shit was what caused Capcom and a few other companies to start aping shitty American developers or even outsourcing to them and killing their brands. Thankfully the Mighty Blunder 9 fiasco exposed him as a hack fraud who rode other people's coattails to success, so nobody listens to him now.

>>378483538
Games were pretty shit in 2012.

>>378478787
make that 10

>>378477930
Egglike games are dead

>>378479181
>Bitches about game having text and portraits 'tell a story in a game'
>Choose persona over yakuza

Is /v/ really this stupid?

Japs haven't been relevant for at least 20 years.

>Comparing ONE tiny country against the whole world.
It's literally the definition of:
>Wow, it only took 7.220 billion of you to beat me.

>>378483595
Not as much as now. 2012 was bad, 2016 was suicide tier, 2017 a bit better so far, but otherwise things have been getting gradually worse with time.

>>378479383
Persona 5 isn't even a AA title, it's not very big-budget.

>>378481426

Not that I agree with the guy or anything, but the birth rate has been a problem in Japan for a while now. So much so that the government is intervening and funding dating services to get Japanese people to start procreating more. They're definitely worried about it.

I've dated while living in Japan and the dating culture there is frustrating as fuck. Navigating it is a nightmare and almost not even worth it after a while. I can understand why some guys just give up and turn to virtual waifus.

>>378483760
No, they were pretty much just as shit as now. Games hit rock bottom with Skyrim's release.

>>378474208
that article was from 2015

>>378480209
Lol the Doc Seuss meme showed up, finally. This guy is a joke, even his fellow gafers tore him up for his stupidity. By the way, his favorite game is Quantum Break. Let that sink in.

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>>378482958
Well obviously if you find it that cheap it's worth playing, for the novelty if anything. It's not like it's one of those "he who should not be named" situations like Yaiba and NG3. It's canon and was based Momiji's first appearance, it's just that it's not as close to each other as the other "Main" games and portable gaming isn't for everyone.

>>378483559

I think they've been aping American devs even before that comment of his. Pretty sure that Japanese devs were chasing the mountain dew and dorito's audience during the advent of HD vidya.

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>>378483807
>I've dated while living in Japan
This is the end result

>>378474208
funny how the era of japanese superioty is happening again

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>>378483879
>referencing some dude from a random thread on an entirely different website and talking about him here.

Yikes.

>>378483105
What other Japanese gems did it besides NG?

Didn't NG only end up there because the director had a beef with Sony?

>>378484041

Pretty much. I dodged a bullet by not getting married there. It's good to be back here, even though I'm still surrounded by SJW whores

>>378477368
at least you have 15 hours of fun in Dragons dogma

what else can you do in skyrin other than walk and steal shit from tables?

>>378484258
Mod the living fuck out of it.

>>378475569

>RE7

>Bombing

>>378484572
Yeah, that game that released 7 years after the event I was referencing was right after the event I was referencing.

>>378484564
is there a mod that fixed the terrible gameplay?

Not when we have EDF 5 coming out soon.

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>>378474686

>and considered the most fun

Citation fucking needed. Sales don't directly equal quality or subjective enjoyment.

>and everyone is making awful games

Holy shit the ironing.

Yeah dude, Japan has so much to learn about video games from studios like Bioware, Bethesda, and Activision. Hooo boy, those high-profile developers just SCREAM quality! I mean they SELL a lot, that most mean they're good and fun, right???

Inafune the hack businessman and game journos can suck my cock.

Congratulations dumbass, the most universally praised games this year, all around, are Japanese games,by your own fucking metric. I'm sure corporate award shows won't vote for shit like Horizon as Goty winners though :^^^]

>>378474208
CORPORATIONS AND PROFITS, YASSS SLAYYYYY

>>378477368
I think you're missing the point. The relative comparison between it and Skyrim is the important part, since they rated Skyrim much higher in spite of it being dogshit in every regard compared to DD

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>>378474208
"I think we're just getting started"

>>378480209
Really he's not wrong. Play most any Japanese game and look at what they do with the 3D environment. Usually it's next to nothing. They use the environment just as something to look at and steer the player around, instead of as something interactive and exciting.

one thing I'll say is that games with CUH-RAZY gameplay like Bayonetta turn me off. it exists in western games as well, but it seems way more prevalent in Japanese games.

Dark Souls has tight controls and varied combat, but fucking combo numbers aren't flying off the screen and you're not filling a bonus meter with every parry you make

Anyone who thinks Kojima is done is a fool.

>>378484564
>you have to change everything about a game to make it good
>implying that makes the base game good

>>378483986
>JapaneseDevsGOTY2011.jpg

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There will always be auteurs in video games and the purest are always non-American

>>378476578
git gud

>>378475080
hey that rhymed

>>378476578
I rich successful hack that changed gaming.
What are you?

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>>378485407

>>378485286
>insinuating that the mod ability of a game does not contribute to its overall quality.

>>378485123
Have you even played Bayonetta? The whole point of the game is to fight enemies in a stylish way and gracefully "dance" to dodge enemy attacks. It feels more like a rhythm game than like Dark Souls.

>>378485123
You're just the typical souls shit eater. There is nothing varied about DaS combat. You beat every single enemy in the exact same way.

>>378485671
>Kondom
>Uncharted 3
No wonder Kiseki went to shit.

>>378485671
So Skyrim was a lot mor important than i used to think.... and i just use it for porn....

>>378486000
>fight enemies in a stylish way and gracefully "dance" to dodge enemy attacks

gay

>>378485269
He's done being good at his job, that's for fucking sure.

>>378481954

Examples?. I can only think on Metal Gear Solid.

>>378486104
Skyrim is widely considered the best RPG ever made, so yes, it's pretty important.

>>378486051
Dodge enemy to the left, hit it twice, wait untill it attacks back and dodge back, then repeat.... that's how you win in dark souls

>>378482228

It is, you have to be a hardcore Capcbro to think otherwise.

Name 1 (one) Western game where its best aspect is its gameplay. I'm genuinely seriously, most of the western games /v/ recommends usually excel in pretty much every other aspect (writing, story, atmosphere, etc.) except gameplay.

Hard Mode: No Diablo 2, RTS, or Doom/Arena Shooter

>>378474686
>best-selling
[citation needed]
>most fun
don't need a citation to know that's wrong

>>378484098
Calm down Doc Seuss

>>378485671
>Keita Takahashi

Every fucking time

>>378486189
>Skyrim is widely considered the best RPG ever made
No it's not.

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>>378475569
Inafune was the one who approved most of those projects. Capcom is bad with or without him, but they are less bad without him.

>>378476587
8ree

>>378474686
But... Inafune... You make awful games too.

>>378486150
Well for starters, regardless of the region, almost any well-made RPG should tell a story that is unsuited for any other medium.

However, as far as storytelling in a game goes, most Japanese games aside from SE's AAA releases tell a story that would be best suited for being told through videogames, while western developers tend to just make movies with playable action sequences. Examples of westerners using gameplay to tell the story are few and far between outside of the cRPG genre.

>>378479181
>and the "Best" Japan can do with it is Persona 5, a game that I dearly love, but, graphically, could be put on a PS2, and you'd miss nothing.

What the fuck? No.
The effects and UI alone are way too much for the PS2. Never mind the crowds, even simplified as they are.

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>>378485671
>hideki kamiya
>nothing

>>378486486
>MM3 legends canceled
Does that mean that we dodged a bullet?

>>378474208
if some jew website says it then its definitely not over.

>>378474208
>one guy left a company
>THE ERA IS OVER

>meanwhile this same guy has his own company now and is working on something

>>378486582
Is Kamiya, dare I say it, /ourguy/?
The answer is yes

>westcucks literally so desperate for attention and relevance that they have to resort to making shit up

>>378486607
If you were to assume that Inafune was the only person working on it then yes, but you'd be silly to make that assumption.

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>>378474686
This nigga needs to shut the fuck up and take a suck.

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They are right, only Todd can save you now.
buy fallout 4

>>378474686
why does Inafune hate Japanese games so much?
he's been spouting this shit for years at Capcom
probably the reason why DmC happened and Lost Planet 3 was outsourced

>>378480973
unreal engine

>>378486840
Oh yeah, that game existed.

>>378478448
GTA will always print money because Rockstar isnt stupid enough to grind the series into the dirt like other developers have done with their cash cows.

Meanwhile lets look at the new Deus Ex and the new Mass Effect..

>>378486291
>gameplay
a recent game I would give you is for honor. the gameplay is a ton of fun, I just wish the devs were a bit more competent. aside from various balance issues and some connection instability, it's a great game.

>pirate japanese games
>buy western games
Don't give them your money, /v/. Remember whose side they were on during World War II.

>>378487014
They were on the side against jews.
Now those jews are trying to take our shekels with their garbage games.

I think the correct choice here is obvious.

>>378486993
shallow clunky shit game by shallow clunky ubisoft

>>378487014
>supporting west kikes

>>378477197
Rockstar North is in Scotland, lad.

>>378487186
>shallow clunky shit game by shallow clunky ubisoft
have you even played it? do you have any specific criticisms instead of buzzwords?

>>378486696
>meanwhile this same guy has his own company now and is working on something
in america you mongoloid

>>378476114
I like DD but the massive insecurities the fanboys of that game have about other RPGs being more popular than it is embarrassing.

>>378477197
Ass is Red is developed by Ubisoft Montreal.

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>>378487186
how does it feel knowing that a yearly installment of call of duty has more content than persona 5
enjoy your dating sim with 1987 rpg mechanics, cuck.

>>378486887
>probably the reason why DmC happened and Lost Planet 3 was outsourced
>probably

no he IS the reason

>>378487280
You'll never have your independence, highlander.

>>378486993
He asked for a game that excels at gameplay, not a game that has nothing to show for but its gameplay. That's like saying fire excels at burning

>>378487372
>call of duty has more content
I'm sure you can find a better example, those campaigns are really short.

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>>378477336
>people don't buy garbage

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Videogame industry should have stayed as a Japan-only thing, nippon gave us lots of different and memorable games, and what did we get from Westerns? Shootan, shootan, shootan, shootan, bald white protags, shotan, shotan....

>>378487324
I have, anyone with a brain knows it's shit which is why it's dead

>>378487372
>implying I play fakeweeb persona shit
kill yourself frogposting redditor

>>378487538
the gameplay is good enough to stand on its own. most multiplayer focused games don't have some great story or writing, but they're some of the most satisfying gameplay wise because competition is involved.

see also: titanfall 2

>>378487372
>Persona 5 story has an average length of 100 hours

>>378478046
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqxmLFdcWxU

>>378487731
And sports games, racing games, strategy, competitive online, ASSFAGGOTS, flight simulators, 4X, fighting games, etc.
Japan's industry isn't any more diverse, anime-inspired games and JRPGs dominate the market. Only studios like From and Platinum keep making modern games akin to the konami or capcom of yore.
Videogames were never, ever a japanese delicacy. Keep your shit together.

>>378487731
>Shota-n
I wish we got more shota from western devs. Shit's patrician tier.

>>378488081
Yeah but only if it's /ss/, the only acceptable kind.

>>378487901
not hard when you copy and paste a light novel

>>378484572
Resident Evil 7 was developed internally at Capcom Japan. Only the writing was outsourced. Same trick Amnesia and SOMA used,

I feel both eastern and western developers don't make that great of gaming experiences. All these developers felate GTA V, Skyrim, and Assassin's Creed, but I've played all three and they're incredibly flawed and not all that great. What we need is something fully commited to an experience, where it feels like there's one person's vision implemented into the game design, like an author or director. Say what you want about Kojima, but when playing a game from him, I at least feel like I'm experiencing something creative and unique.

>>378487731
>left 4 dead
>life is strange
>heavy rain
>watch dogs 2
>gta 5
>shovel knight
>friday the 13th
Nice try.

>>378488051
>sports games
>racing games
>strategy games
>fighting games
>competitive multiplayer games
>started or improved by the west
holy fuck you're retarded. please be over 25 at least before posting here

>only From and Platinum
Jesus Christ how often do you leave /v/?

>>378482958
They should really remake that game for a proper system. It's fucking dumb that Kureha's appearance in the main series amounts to less than 10 seconds but is something the games keep coming back to.

>>378488301
how desperate can you be?

>>378488051
>And sports games, racing games, strategy, competitive online, ASSFAGGOTS, flight simulators, 4X, fighting games, etc.

so.... trash ?

>Japan's industry isn't any more diverse, anime-inspired games and JRPGs dominate the market. Only studios like From and Platinum keep making modern games akin to the konami or capcom of yore.

I'm not talking about current trends, I'm talking about everything the Japs gave us across the years, you know, Super Mario 3, Chrono Trigger, Xenogears, MegaMan X


>Videogames were never, ever a japanese delicacy. Keep your shit together.

Vidya was invented by japanese

>inb4 some dumb old amurican made two moving dots on a TV so he invented videogames

>>378488301

>>left 4 dead
trash
>>life is strange
trash
>>heavy rain
trash
>>watch dogs 2
trash
>>gta 5
decent I guess? Vice City is better
>>shovel knight
kinda fun, the amount of levels was atrocious, literally finished it on one sitting
>>friday the 13th
ehh?
>Nice try.
u were trying as well?

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>>378474686
ITT

>>378482691
What would Ayane had done if that guy wasn't a moron?

>>378474208
He's right though nobody owns a console in Japan

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>>378474208
The funny thing is that no matter how much westfags cry about sales, the companies that are dead or dying are the western ones. That's what you get from blowing 100 million in a game and it failing. Meanwhile japan is full of 30+ year old companies like Nihon Falcom or Atlus pumping out classic after classic.

>>378480517
>>White people love Ninja more than Japanese people do
Thankyou based Cannon Films.

>>378486887
Looks like an ego thing to me. When he's shitting on the rest of the industry, he's implying that he's the one who has all the answers. And people in business tend to fall in love with others people's success and want to copy it, even if its not transferable to their own situation.

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>>378490339
>Be armed terrorist goon
>See towel barely holding on to Ayane's supple body and that smug look on her face
>Retain any sort of rational thought whatsoever

She knew what she was doing

>>378487731
nips can't program. That along with a dead economy and literally oldest population in the world = no good gaems

>>378486385
It literally is. You can argue that most people who hold that opinion have literally never played another RPG, but they still hold a majority.

>>378475045
Cute

>>378488487
>started or improved by the west
Having fun with your strawman, idiot?
>Jesus Christ how often do you leave /v/?
Holy fuck when are you posting an argument instead of lashing out like a 12 year old? This is why you've never been hugged, sperg.

>>378475456
Who is this boy(girl)

>>378474208


Square Enix gives Yuji Horii carte blanche with handling the Dragon Quest series. He can do whatever he wants because all his games meet Square Enix's absurdly high expectations. He was surprised to learn that SE wasn't localizing his games in the west and we started getting them a year after the revelation.

>>378477662
This is a list of game played by females, while brown thirsty people watch them and masturbate.

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>>378475465
fuaaark, now that's some 200X-tier shitposting. i feel old now.

In the first place, fix your own country's devs

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>>378478907
CDPR got nice tax credits from the Polish government for their investments into the game. It's like when states in the USA give movie production companies really nice tax kickbacks for making the movie/tv series in their state. I have no clue if Japan does this for video game production but I really doubt it. They already give minimal incentive for their population to have children and then they have the gall later on to report on how they got a growing aging population problem.

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>>378474686
This nigga is very slowly joining my videogame devs and their videogames to avoid list. The stupid shit spouted constantly will just not stop.

>>378478884
Don't worry. Many people shitted on how bad Monster Hunter was back on the PS2 but now people pretend they always loved it. Apparently every MH fan didn't have the internet in the early 2000s to post on western message boards on their fanatical love for MH. People like to pretend they liked something a long time ago to fit in with the crowd. (See: the new CS players)

>>378493061
>ARMA 3
>females

That's where you're wrong kid.

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>>378475465
>Can't make a better argument than that

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>>378479181
so you sayin that western games are better at telling stories because they use better graphics for cutscenes?

>>378477662
Don't think Twitch is the best indicator of great games, unless you are gonna tell me CSGO is one of the best games ever made