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http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2017/05/29/opinion-video-games-should-embrace-politics.aspx
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>>378463845
Still your shit somewhere else
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>By Elise Favis

I want politics to stay the fuck out of my video games. Especially American bullshit
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>>378463845
>opinion-video-games-should-embrace-politics

I disagree with this opinion
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>>378463845
Sure, bring in all of the politics as long as you allow my character ingame to disagree with them.
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>>378463845
You should kill yourself
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>>378464018
Politics is more than just parties and legislation. Literally everything has some political component to it. Why is it so hard for you fucks to understand that?
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>>378463845
>Opinion - Video Games Should Embrace MY Politics
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>>378463845
Video games embraced politics years ago. What these fags mean is that video games should make the statements that they want them to right now, even though topical works tend to be shitty strawman arguments that age like milk.
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>>378463845
Stories can be allegories for modern politics and shit, but devs and the fags writing the majority of this shit have no idea what the word subtle means. People are less likely to lash out and bitch at you if the message you're trying to send isn't you just preaching at a bunch of people that you're right and they're wrong. Of course, most of these social commentary loving devs are rejects that got into games because they couldn't hack it in other fields.
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>>378463845
Why are opinion pieces always shit?
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>radical movements such as GamerGate
LOL
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>American Politics

I'd rather just watch two monkies throw shit at eachother. Its the same but at least the monkies would be more attractive to look at.
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>>378463845
Western devs get funding from the U.N. and other political organizations to inject their agenda into their games.
This is why Japanese developers make good video games most of the time they're just games without that bullshit attached to it.
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>video games should embrace politics
>but only my kind of politics
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>>378464238
you're overthinking the situation. it's not just any politics, people are mad about current events being forced into their games by hipsters who weren't talented enough to write movie scripts.
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>>378463845

Opinion - Artists shouldn't have to make room for your bullshit in their work.
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>>378464174
Your character who diagress with them will be an overweight caricature of your viewpoint and will in the end be portrayed as obviously wrong.
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>>378463845
The only good example of politics in video games I have ever run across was Killer7.
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>>378463845
>everything must be politics
No, this mindset is spread by literal slaves with no capacity to think by themselves, so they want everything to be labelled with the name of their master to know what to consume and more importantly what to make illegal for being different.
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Can't wait for mario to tell me the right political views for a country I'm not even a part of.
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>>378463845
Yes they should. If you consider it a work of art, games should be able to embrace whatever idea/opinion they want, even if you disagree.
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Probably written by some liberal
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>>378464410
You're right and wrong. I'm aware of what most people mean when they say "politics" and believe it or not I actually hate it as much or more than they do. But unlike them I realize that burying your head in the sand and pretending they don't exist just makes the problem worse. If anything we need MORE discussion about politics in games so we can get past the juvenile crap that currently passes for """politics"""
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>>378464308
8th post best post
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>>378464410
They must be pretty talentless then, because the people actually writing movies are hacks.
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There is definitely room for political ideas and issues to be explored in video games. However I'm not interested in such things and would choose to not engage in such games.
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>>378463845
Sure, as long as I'm allowed to make something that doesn't agree with her viewpoint.

So in other words FUCK OFF
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>>378463845

i wish someone would line all of california journalist at a wall and shoot them all in the head
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>>378463845
>Games should embrace politics
>beause the jewish teachers are responsible for educating writers and video game ''artists''
>we'll always get the same 60s agenda: anti-white, pro-diversity, pro-degeneracy, feminist chants, etc
OY EY
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>>378463845
unless they are ingame politics that serve the story and worldbuilding rather than a sloppy commentary on real world politics, which is all that modern game writers are capable of, no thank you
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l'd like to avoid being lectured by stupid leftist faggots while playing vidya if possible, l can already get that at school, on tv or in the newspaper
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>>378464682
This. Video games can be a form of art, and plenty of art is political. But I'm not interested in that sort of art, I'd rather play something that's entertainment.
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I'm fine with that.

So long as ALL politics are allowed.
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>>378464997
Do you think musicians shouldn't have social commentary in their songs?
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>>378464997
this. although the new deus ex games handled racial prejudice poorly since cyborgs aren't a race.
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>>378463845
I think whatever he's saying means "they should embrace politics I agree with".

I don't inherently disagree with more political videogames but the way videogames tend to be political is usually very vapid and low brow. Like Bioshock infinite's attempt at political and social commentary.
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>>378463845
Unless your game is Civilization or anything like it the answer is "No"
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>>378464308
they dont really want games to be political.They want games to just mirror their own politics back at them.
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>>378463845
By politics they mean confirmation byast. Its like your boomer neocon thinks that everything should be Fox News. Nobody wants this.

Escapism means you escape the bullshit in your life and imerse yourself. If everything had to take a stance on gay rights or immigration... people who don't fit the narrative will be alianated.

I agree with the person who mentioned subtle. Most people with right of center opinions can appreciate suntley. We just don't want things cramed inorganicly into games.
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no
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I agree, games need way more politics
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>>378464597

>>Article is phrased "videogames SHOULD embrace politics" as if the community is asking game devs to include more politics in games

>>Reply is phrased as if the artist/game dev isn't already doing whatever the fuck they want and politics is being shoved into their franchise or work.


What the hell are you saying?
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>>378464597
No they shouldnt. I dont want to play a game that has some retards opinions being forced down my throat. I try to avoid politial media altogether
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>>378464559
>>378464386
>>378464018
Attn: Rasheeds and Pajeets obsessed with the US, games don't focus on "American politics" as much as something called metapolitics. Politics are things like elections, parties (in the US case, its bland Republicans vs Democrats) politicians and platforms, something rarely brought up except parodies (like WD2 parodying Trump in one small section)

Metapolitics are things like immigration, refugee crisis, climate change, gender equality, surveillance. It effects almost everywhere. And yes, these writers want the metapolitical messages to be on their side, as in pro-refugee, open borders, feminist
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>>378464597
games aren't art
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>amerifat politics
Fuck no
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>>378464238
>Literally everything has some political component to it

Then it's not even worth it to point it out.

If everything is political, then nothing is.
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>>378465617
I'm very sorry that you listen to almost no music and watch almost no movies.
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>>378465627
What is art?
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>>378465175
It makes for worse music imho. I mostly ignore lyrics though so probably my favorites are political somehow
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>>378465738
not video games
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>>378463845
desu I dont know if its because I got older but after trump and bernie politics has been like one of the top entertaining things and would be okay with it being in my games. Politics is sexy right now.
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>>378465627

Unlike film, which is obviously of greater artistic merit.

Come the fuck on.
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>>378465797
Prove it.
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why does an opinion have a star rating?
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>>378463845
>... but only progressive correct politics
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>2014+3
>bringing up gamergate within the first paragraph of your article
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>>378463845
*As long as it's the correct politics
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>>378465771
This. The words and how they sound (regarding the voice as an instrument) is more important than their meaning.
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>>378463845
>resident female midget beaner wants politics in games
no surprise there
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>>378465867
Either to gauge concurrence or to rate how well the opinion was presented and argued.
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>>378465848
prove this *unzips dick*
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>>378465735
I answered another guy about this but I don't listen to lyrics. I also don't watch any movies besides action flicks and romcoms.
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>>378465771
Fair enough, at least you're consistent. I don't mind commentary in my games/music/whatever, as long as it's clever and well done, regardless of the viewpoint they're trying to push. Video games, to me, have more rushed commentary these days than other mediums, though there are notable games that pull it off well.
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>>378464390

>That pic

I always find it interesting when Europeans act unified in this crap. 9/10 they wouldn't even want other europeans into their countries.
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>>378466072
Sorry, can't prove a negative.
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Yes, but only if it conforms to my opinion and spreads propaganda that suits me like all conservatives are white nationalists or Islam should be accepted you bigots.
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>>378464635
>You're right and wrong.

right back at you actually. Bidya is many things to may people, and its safe to say the majority has always played to escape the very themes you feel need to be drudged up. if "Burying your head in the sand" means i can attain several hours a day of peace from the shitshow that is other people, then by god, pass the fucking shovel.

however, vidya that touches on themes in a tasteful way while still feeling like a video game, and not a lecturre or sermon, ala mgs2, is actually welcome, as long as i'm not being told what to think by someone half my goddamn age
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>>378466147
Isn't that just being consistent?
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I'm sure the author totally wouldn't mind a game that had politics she disagreed with.
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no thanks schlomo go fuck yourself
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>video games should embrace politics.
>but only MY politics!

really made me think
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Just more click bait articles to generate views and ad revenue for their shitty dying site.
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>>378465820
you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded
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>>378466146
It's more palpable to me when the politics are disattached from modern day politics. Whether it be historical or fantastical
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This article would be more honest if the word politics was replaced with "my beliefs".
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>TLoU 2 confirmed to be chock full of Cuckman's politics in it
>Horizon's backstory is written from the equivalent of a teenage redditor
>God of War 4 confirmed to be a diatribe against "toxic masculinity"

Sony already embraced this cancer
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The only fucking Politics I will accept is the Politics in the lore of the videogame that Iam playing. Politically correct, of current events, shit need not apply to fantasy settings, not even a small fucking hint of it.
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Gameinformer was always shitty but now they've reached full blown polygon.
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If something is gonna contain politics I feel like both sides of whatever political statement they are making need to be given light, and proper light, not "my opinion is right and yours is wrong" shit.

Fastest waybto get me to drop all interest is to have some ham fisted political statement in your vidya that has no counter argument from the antagonist other than how evil and corrupt they are
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>>378466580
they're gamestops propaganda arm the fuck kind of quality did you expect?
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>>378466567
But Drumpfh!!!
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>>378463845
Absolutely NEVER!

FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS UNHOLY KEEP THEM THE FUCK AWAY!!!
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Western games are getting worse and worse because people are trying to use them as a vessel to promote their politics rather than lampooning them and/or developing their characters/setting with politics only being a part of it.
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>>378463845
V is already embracing pol so this makes sense
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>>378463845
>thoughts
Don't post articles without pastebins.
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>>378466691
i thought thats why they never mentioned politics before. gotta get the most subscribers possible since magazines are dying.
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>>378466807
>V
>pol
go back to whatever hole you crawled out of.
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>>378463845
I fully support this
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Translation:
>I want videogames where I can propagandize to the masses without giving a fair shake to the ideas I disagree with.
Im sure Mr.Critic would embrace a game showing the horrors of Islam.
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>>378466873
Do you really need to read it to know what it's about?
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>>378466691
i love how they jumped on hating Sonic 06 despite giving it a 6.75/10 on release, lol.
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>I am the protagonist. I heroically repeat the writer's politics, and there is no need for me to explain my views or explore any themes. Nothing I say can be questioned.

>I AM THE VILLAIN I AM EVIL AND I RUDELY DECLARE THE OPPOSITE VIEW NOTHING I SAY WILL BE EXPLORED EVERYTHING I DO IS WRONGBAD AND SILLY
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>>378466707
>when youre playing a game and the player character gets an additional scoop
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>>378463845

>Video games should embrace MY politics

Fixed
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>>378463845
>Video games should embrace politics
>But only if they're politics that I support.
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>>378463845
They mean of course their politics. They'll be out for blood if your game features Islam in a bad light or trannies being rejected and committing sudoku.
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>>378463845
>Translation: video games should embrace left-wing politics.
Oh, wait.
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>>378466970
Posting any link without pastebin is fishing for clicks. Always.
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politics
ˈpɒlJtJks/
noun
noun: politics

1.
the activities associated with the governance of a country or area, especially the debate between parties having power.


This has existed in video games, especially RPGs for decades.
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>>378466284
"Status quo" is still a position, anon. Just because something conforms to your preconceived notions doesn't mean it isn't political and doesn't affect other people.

Even still, I have to admit that modern media and communication infrastructures seem to have somehow actually made people more ignorant and extremist. I see how a return to conservatism and "small" politics is an attractive and even logical choice, but the idealist in me doesn't like to admit that we're just going to forever be beholden to our primitive chimp brains.
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>>378466941
That game already exists. it's called Modern Warfare.
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I figure people can do whatever they want with the games they make, and if I don't like the politics they put into their games I don't play them. Its really that simple, but then again I'm also not a turbo autist.
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Saying video games are apolitical is like saying anything at all is apolitical; profoundly dumb and ignorant. Every act is a political act.
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>>378467024
But if we make a Bad Guy repeat the talking points of our political opponents that means it has to be bad!
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I agree and disagree. I think games can be like books in the sense that they can cover pretty much everything and everyone will find a book they like. What I disagree with, is that they only want their own agendas portrayed, and unlike books publishers can and will advertise the fuck out of it.
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>>378463845
>video game should embrace politics
>shows image of police officer questioning a black couple
I guess Deus Ex is political.
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>>378463845
>no archive link but links to site

Get out kike
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I don't really care because I can just choose to not play a game if I don't want to.

the only thing that grinds my gears is most people who are for more "political" games just want games that agree with them, not a creator to express their political views no matter what they are

like that enders game guy who got booted off a superman anthology comic because he's a homophobe. it's not abou5 being political, it's about having the "correct" politics
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>>378466805
>rather than lampooning them

blame late night television for killing satire, or atleast, putting it into a coma

it was once a weapon of the people, but now, parody has been co-opted and neutered by the very people its always been used against.
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>>378467301
adblock?
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Keep real world politics out of my video games. I can deal with racial and gender diversity but keep that other bullshit out of my games. I don't want to sit down after a long day and have to deal with that shit.

Video games are escapism. I don't want to play a game and be subjected to conservative retardation or Liberal white girl bullshit.
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>>378467214
I'm planning on being a forest hermit when i hit 30 desu
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This is really stupid.

Politics is automatically a part of your game depending on the setting- like Call of Duty and Mafia and all that.

Making a game that normally wouldn't be political reflect your personal politics instantly dates it- you only should do it if you REALLY have a particular story you want to tell for a reason.

Just throwing anything into a game "just because" hamstrings you from the start.
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I was always under the impression that games are in their own setting. That they exist outside real world politics.
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>>378467508
Nice reddit spacing.
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This means American liberal's politics and there doesn't exist more cancerous cultists on this planet. It will be 100% propaganda squished down our throats. Just look at Hollywood.
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>>378467307
>like that enders game guy who got booted off a superman anthology comic because he's a homophobe. it's not abou5 being political, it's about having the "correct" politics
Pretty strange how that book had several scenes featuring naked boys.
>>378467353
A click is a click.
https://archive.fo/BBJFE
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>>378465927
My room is clean, I have no more dragons to slay ,and my father is safe.

wat do?
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>>378467456
>conservative retardation
Literally name one (1) game where that happens
> Liberal white girl bullshit.
Literally name one (1) game post-2007 where that doesn't happen
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I agree. We need:

MORE muslim-killing games, teach our youth to embrace killing muslims as they are a blight on the planet.

MORE games driven by a masculine presence where feminism is abolished symbolically and female characters know their place.

MORE white protagonists.

LESS "diversity", we already have Japan for non-white presences in games

LESS LGBTBBQ bullshit unless it's to have homosexuals/trannies be joke characters that die or are enemies to be mowed down

LESS women who are not attractive in games, if any at all

Politics in games? I say YES!
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>>378467596
Good anon
I wish I was here sooner to provide archive link to ward off those sleazy shits
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>game set in 3000 BCE Mesopotamia
>all political opinions and values must conform to that of a modern 20y old liberal
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>>378467621
Watch more Pinocchio
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>>378463845
It's only good when you do it like MGS2. Just blatantly shilling an agenda with no context or a deep understanding of it is horrible and is a cancer to modern game story telling.
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>>378463845
no
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>>378467692
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>>378467307
>>378467596
>like that enders game guy who got booted off a superman anthology comic because he's a homophobe
Man I was really surprised when I heard this. I read Ender's Game when I was still a kid and even I thought there was a weird level of closeness between the boys.
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>>378467692
lol. look at this edgetard.
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>>378467252
How is Red Skull even a villain at this point? He speaks the truth.

But I guess the truth is raysis and shit.
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>>378467835
Wasn't this guy a Bernie-bro?
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Kill yourselves.
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>>378463845


>Paying 60 bucks for something you can get for more than free on mainstream media.

It's like saying "we are making something that not intended for fun". Not a good bullet point when trying to sell a game.
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>>378467835
>being arrested for being racist
I don't think you know how the world works.
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I wish every country could be like Japan

High male suicide rate, but as a trade off Japan make sures Japan stays 95% Japanese and will never have their people become a minority.
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>>378467945
he's a nazi
nazis can't be good guys
therefor you don't have to actually ensure what he says is wrong or villainous, he is already automatically evil
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>>378468040
Oh the irony. While this guy was actually arrested for being drunk, in most of the world being racist is in fact a crime (often on a thought-crime level, too).
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are people who push the "everything is political" bullshit really stupid enough to believe this shit isn't put in games nowadays to proselytize and push specific kinds of viewpoints to the exclusivity of all others?

this shit isn't meant to tell a good or even interesting story or inform or develop characters, it's meant to be propaganda
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Only if they allow me to play my pseudo-fascist fantasy and purge virtual worlds, since the west is going to fall soon.
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>>378467835
>meanwhile Tyrone gets arrested
>OH LAWDY MUH RACISM! MUH BLM! WE WUZ KANGS!
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>>378468138
Thank you for informing the that the rest of the world lives in the Dark Age. Granted, Europe was proof of that already.
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>>378468010
I wish I was happy as that man, then I wouldn't feel like killing myself.

He did an AMA on /pol/ once, he's a really sweet guy, has autism sure, but he's nice and means well. I don't think he could even hurt a fly.
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>>378467981
yes

the guy who stabbed 2 people a few days ago was a bernie bro as well
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>>378466147
And?
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>>378468045
>muh white genocide!
Doesn't exist.
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>>378465251
>Bioshock Infinite
>Muh racism
>That part where you're given the choice to throw a baseball at an interracial couple
>Choose to throw the ball at them
>Game stops you from actually doing it

Total. Artistic. Cowardice.
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>>378463845
i think you should stop sucking cocks and archive the fucking link
http://archive.is/BBJFE

Ya cunt
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>>378468259
>he's a really sweet guy, I don't think he could even hurt a fly
He voted for Trump though

You know, the same orange guy who tried to ban an entire religion
Twice
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I stopped subscribing to game informer last gen because they were horrible. I always though they tried to cater to casuals too much and it effected their quality.
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>>378463845
This isn't video games
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>>378468262
I'm still baffle why anyone uses facebook. Especially for political insight.
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>>378463845
Does this mean I get to put on a police uniform in Grand Theft Auto 6 and curb stomp a bunch of dumb estrogen heavy liberals holding black lives matter signs?
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>>378467763
I mean, in the Epic of Gilgamesh one of the temple priestesses literally fucked Enkidu until he was civilized (anti-slut-shaming), Gilgamesh (who grabs women by the pussy) loses his best friend for hunting and killing what amounts to an innocent animal (anti-hunting), and he ultimately learns that the only way he can attain immortality is to stop being a selfish git and be nice to and provide for his subjects (even though he does so by building a wall) so that they'll remember him fondly.
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>>378467187
oh no, don't get me wrong, i am absolutely for unironic "really makes you think" shit, like nier:A that explored the concepts of duty and loyalty, and what it means to be human in a world where there are no humans left.

but in all the hours i played so far it never once explicitly told me what to think, or judged me for my decisions. Its been an experience anyone could enjoy and take a multitude of things away from.

I don't believe in any form of censorship, big or small, save for what should be taught to children who actually don't have the connections in their brain yet to make decisions and judgements for themselves, but yes, i agree that the internet and to a lesser extent television and radio has created mouth breathing blank slates that wouldn't know critical thought if it shit on their shoe
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>>378468413
come on now sweetie, you and I both know it was a ban on immigration from war torn countries, not a ban on religion.
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>>378466147
We hate each other, sure, but we hate the hordes invading and colonizing infinitely more.
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>>378468191
>Fanfiction

When a black guy gets arrested for doing something media goes the extra ten miles to dig up as much dirt about him as possible.

Trayvon was followed around by a guy who had a record of domestic abuse and assaulting people. Trayvon gets killed by him and the first thing the media does is go on an Easter egg hunt on his Facebook.

>>378468176

People are retarded.

More at 11.
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>>378468413


Where are you getting your information?
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>>378468413
You should do some research my friend.
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>>378463845
no way fag.
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>>378465251
That didn't use to be the case. Back in the days the views expressed were "skewed-neutral", meaning that the playing was meant to explore any possibility of opinion, but the game might insist on the consequences of one view over the other. This was justified through well-crafted in-game mechanics which did not a priori map to the real world, though they were obviously meant to be. As such, you could be a racist asshole and that could result in helping form a strong, militaristic nation of industrious people where the bads were culled, while gravitating toward acceptance would result in allying half the world against an impeding threat. Both are acceptable outcomes to who believes in either choice, but the authors preferred the acceptance end, for example.
Now, you're not even allowed to disagree with the author's politics.
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>>378468560
Why do retarded SJW animals come to 4chan?
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>>378463845
There are just way too many interesting stories that could be told that don't involve politics. We don't always need real life analogs and most of the time people use them, it's because they are lazy, not because they have anything new to say.

Start making interesting stories first, then you can lecture me on how immigration in the modern day is the same as it was hundreds of years ago and it's the white mans responsibility for everyone else.
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>>378468560
>looking at a public facebook is now "digging up dirt"

You're so delusional its kinda sad anon.

I feel really bad that someone could be as ignorant as you, and it's no surprise you've attached to yourself to liberalism as a way to disguise your low ability to function.
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>>378463845
>video-games-should-embrace-politics
Holy shit no!
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>>378468618
>>378468659
Were you dropped on the head as a child? Or do you live under a rock? I don't need "sources" for something so controversial that literally everyone knows about it.

That is exactly what he did.
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All media is political. The faggots complaining about muh politics in videogames are just sensitive pussies who can't handle something that has a message they disagree with.
>Killzone's whole allegory for Palestine/Israel
>Metal Gear Solid
>Deus Ex
>Grand Theft Auto
>A lot of Ubisoft's more recent titles (like how both Far Cry 4 and 5 tackle religious extremism)

The issue is when a game has no merit besides it's political message. Media needs to stand on it's own, a shitty song with a message I agree with is still a pretty shit song. You should have more selling points than the political message you wanna push.
Pic related is a perfect example of a game that has no merit besides "DUED POLITICS LMAO"
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>>378469043

Oh. S-Sorry for my outburst.
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>>378463845
All video games? No. If a developer wants to include them in their game, sure.
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>>378468480
yes it is. get over it.
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sorry shills but no one likes niggers, those that hate /pol/ still hate niggers.
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>>378468831
>If you don't agree with my retarded views and laugh at my epic memez that means you're a SJW.

Your hugbox is to the right.

>>378468939
>>looking at a public facebook is now "digging up dirt"
>Someone dies
>Suddenly people care about what he does on his Facebook
>Media uses info on his Facebook to try and justify him being killed
>HE SMOKED WEED AND DRUNK LEAN ONCE. HE WAS NO ANGEL.

>>378469043
>>378469146

Bait
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>>378463845
>video games should embrace twitter tier politics
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>>378463845
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>>378468560
>what is slander?
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>>378468684
I'm all for politics in my games if it will bring an end to Jian scum.
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>>378463845
Sure
A video game should be whatever the game creators want them to be. If you don't want to play the creators game then don't.
From what I hear about Gone Home it's not a game I see myself wanting to play but I'm not mad that the game was made. I have plenty of other games that were made for me.
Not every video game needs to be made for every type of video game player.

If you are not happy with what video games are out there, make your own video games.
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>>378468560
Except Trayvon did attack Zimmerman.
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>>378469043
You know we can see you as a new IP right? Stop pretending to be that Anon to incite more arguing.
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>>378469067
forgot pic whoops
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>>378469202
>If a developer wants to include them in their game, sure.


How do you feel about new devs taking over old loved series and forcing current politics into said loved game series?
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>>378469415
Where are your sources?
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>>378463845
Replace the word politics with propaganda
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>>378463845
Fuck no.

It will always be:
>"Our game didn't sell well because video gamers are bigots. Not because it was a steaming pile of shit."
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>>378463845
No, you fags got enough soapboxes to preach from. You have literally EVERY OTHER entertainment medium to fuck over, leave videogames alone and stop pushing your warped antiwhite antiamerica anti-rationality and reason defeating communist bullshit agenda.

GO AWAY.
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>>378467651
>> Liberal white girl bullshit.
>Literally name one (1) game post-2007 where that doesn't happen
Wildlands?
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>>378469067
none of those games have a "message", in the sense its telling you how to feel, you walking spunk bank. with the exception of ubishit, all of those only bring something into focus for you to make up your mind yourself
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>>378463845
>people unironically using le orange cheeto mussolini reddit meme itt
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>>378469487
Reminds me of that webm of an old dev passing the torch to a new dev by putting a hat on him and he proceeds to toss it away 5 seconds later.
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>>378469470
this is satire tho.
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>>378469231
Your facebook account isn't a private thing during investigation. This is something that is done to everyone who come into the attention of the media. If you decide to do some unsavory things on facebook, don't be surprise this is used to assess a sort of character analysis.
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>>378469067
There's a huge difference between inserting politics in a game and a game that tackles politics. Though you don't play videogames so you wouldn't know.
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>>378469415
>Follow someone after 911 operator says don't.
>Get beat the fuck up by said person after disobeying law enforcement
>Shoot and kill him because you're a pussy with anger issues.
>HE WUZ NO ANGEL.
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>>378469490
How do you think Zimmerman was found innocent?
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>>378469635
Satire with no appeal besides "haha look at the funny pixel men argue"
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>>378469572
It's hard to determine if you're against or for trump when you say things like that.
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>>378468557
exactly. it's like aliens invading earth.
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>>378463845
B-But /v/ told me that politics isn't getting shoved down our throats in video games! /v/ would never lie to me!
Go back to /pol/!!
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>>378469487
Don't care.
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>>378468010
>>378468413
ANgry libcuck
we won , accept it
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>>378463845
You can have politics in games. Just give the player the option to deny your politics to at least appear impartial.
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>>378463845
Sure they can "embrace politics" but how about politics that aren't SJW leftist propaganda?
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>>378467621
Befriend new dragons.
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I don't want any regulation on any video game.
I also don't want any regulation on what I can say about any video game.

B8 thread.
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>It's a /pol/ thread
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>>378469856
Drink bleach.
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>>378463845
>radical movements such as GamerGate
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>>378469067
The main problem is that there isn't anything of substance for most games trying to shove a political message. MGS makes good arguments for almost all sides and expects you to make your own opinions on what is right and wrong. Other games though don't care for the other side and don't even treat them as human and that's the problem.

God, even Skyrim has done the whole political bullshit better. In that while it's obvious that Ulfric is just using the people to get into power, his message isn't really wrong. It's ok to fight for your country and values and many in his army fight for that, but aren't racist.

It's this black and white, you are either with me or against me bullshit that is killing political intrigue in games. Politics should be the thinking mans issue, it's too complicated for name calling bullshit.
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>>378469654
Operator suggested that Zimmerman didn't follow for his own safety because Trayvon could've been armed and dangerous himself.

Trayvon left the scene. He was clear of Zimmerman. He decided to return to fight Zimmerman because he was a nigger chimp with a chip on his shoulder.

Zimmerman isn't an angel. I don't care about him, but as far as the case is concerned, he was in the right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhgwy9y5ttA
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>>378468560
Offending people =/= slandering them. Milo is not a white nationalist, there is no way to defend the claim that he is.
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>>378469849
obviously
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>>378469980
Wait, /pol/ wrote that article and put it on a video games related website?
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>>378464308

All Phil Ochs ever wrote was topical stuff and he's one of the best songwriters in American History
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>>378463845
I'm fine with that, what I'm not fine with however is when a game gets praised solely because it covers something that wasn't frequently covered in the past despite it doing absolutely nothing new gameplay wise like Gone Home.
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>>378468413
>You know, the same orange guy who tried to ban an entire religion
How stupid do you have to be to actually think this is true?
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>>378470031
>Why is it radical to threaten women with death for not sleeping with me???
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>>378470105
No, but /pol/ has infested this thread trying to spout their political opinions.
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>>378470198
but I thought you wanted politics in video games
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>>378470198
>/pol/ has infested this thread
No you dummy, /v/irgins have opinions too. Blame Gamergate, not muh /pol/ boogeyman.
>>378470194
Poor b8
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>>378470307
>"FUCK NIGGERS AND KIKES!!!"
>Politics

Pick one
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>>378469654
Shieeeeet
Fucking racists and their presence making good niggas go feral
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>>378470194
>things that never happened
Is gamergate still being slid? I thought we were over it already
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>>378469654
see
>>378469681

you've basically been manipulated and even staring the evidence of how you've been lied too in the face you're just doubling down instead of admitting your ideology and politics are flawed
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>>378470319
>Blame Gamergate, not muh /pol/ boogeyman.
Same thing though.
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>>378470046
They don't want you to think. They don't want you to consider both sides. They want you in their ecosystem. They want to get under your skin. They want to paint the narrative. Kojima made his game with "wow, aren't these concepts interesting?". They make their games with "how can we indoctrinate people into these concepts?"
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>>378470101
I'm sorry you feel you've gained the rights to an IP simply by paying for one copy of the game.

And of course, you've made it clear that it is not possible to have a reasonable conversation with you as you're clearly extremely hardheaded and opinionated.
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>>378465617
So just don't play it then and get something that's more in line with your views.
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>>378470341
everything is politics
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>>378470341
>what is nuance?
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>>378469681
AYO HE DID THAT TO HISSELF TO FRAME TRAYVON

TRAYTRAY A GOOD BOI HE DINDU NUFFIN
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>>378470459
>/pol/
>Nuance

Once again, pick one
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>>378470424
Video games don't "indoctrinate" people, Mr. Thompson
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>>378470198
/pol/ is the third fastest board after /b/ and /v/. They complain about Muslims bringing their culture to the west yet bring their own bullshit with them to other boards.
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>>378470341
>Fucking /pol/ and Trump!

Pick something you hypocrite
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>>378468560
>When a black guy gets arrested for doing something media goes the extra ten miles to dig up as much dirt about him as possible.
They do that to everybody, though. Black or white. Because the media is composed of social leeches looking to spin a story. Not for journalistic integrity, but for them ratings and them clicks.
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>>378470424
That's because American liberalism is an anti-intellectual cult.
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>>378470516
Just because they fail at their purpose (also see: sales numbers) doesn't mean they try really fucking hard, tumblr.
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>politics infulence literature
>Well of course, that's only natural. Literature has the power to change the world, of course it will get political
>Politics influences film
>Well yes, that makes sense. Movies can tell stories from a multitude of perspectives, that's part of what makes them interesting
>Politics influences games
>GET THAT SHIT OUT OF MY GAMES! POLITICS HAVE NO PLACE IN GAMES!
manchildren are silly
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>>378470719
Who's your favorite intellectual in the last 10 years?
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>>378470601
Does anybody have the pic of a news website using a picture of some black guy with no shirt on, showing off his tattoos, and some dindus saying the "raciss media" was trying to paint him in a bad ligh, so they replaced his shirtless picture with a picture of him in a hoodie with a gun?
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>>378470535
/pol/ is actually the fastest board. /pol/ and /v/ make up more than half of 4chan's traffic.
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Why are you so angry?
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>>378470775
Myself
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>>378470765
I think you mean "I AM SILLY"
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>>378463845
>first they tried to make video games into movies
>now they want video games to be about politics

I've always wondered why I play less and less video games each year only to reach the conclusion I am no longer play video games
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>>378470046
I totally agree on how most games do a pretty shitty job of handling politics, but I just see that as an issue with the gaming medium right now as there still aren't many standards for storytelling. Shallow politics are just a symptom of the problem of an industry that has Hollywood rejects write their shit. Not many people writing for games are actually good, and even among the good writers there's even less who actually get storytelling in games. Lots of liberal arts college types, lots of people who grew up playing DnD and mastered worldbuilding but not plot development, etcetera.
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I knew before i even clicked on this thread that there would be /pol/ shitposting
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>>378470424
That image is horseshit though. There's that one muslim woman scientist hologram record with many other scientist who are plain old white people. There is no "Muslim women who are concerned with good while the evil white people ruin every thing" storyline. Not to mention the primary antagonists are a Hispanic guy and a black guy.

God damn I hate when pol lies about shit like that. There are very real concerns to be addresses about false liberal anti-white narratives and when you faggots make up shit like this it discredits everyone who attempts to speak put against the left.
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>>378470342
>Being followed by a stranger at night puts a nigga on the defensive.

Fixed.

>>378470375

Okay, granddad

>>378470479

No one ever said that Zimmerman did that to himself. Everyone is willing to admit that Trayvon fucked him up. The argument is who started and it was clearly Zimmerman because he followed him. Zimmerman got out of his car.

He left the safety of his car and approached Trayvon.
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/v/, if you want to discuss politics in video games, you know what, that's fucking fine. If you want to discuss Bioshock Infinite's treatment of racism and nationalism, great. If you want to talk about Spec Ops: The Line's commentary on American interventionism, fantastic.

But fucking hell, checking whether there's niggers and fags and using that as an excuse to rant about how much you hate niggers and fags is not discussing politics in video games. In fact I don't think it's discussing either politics or video games.
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>>378470765
There's a reason modern films and books are impossible to consume since they're all of the lowest quality in history. Why would you want the same with videogames? It's not like politics is a new concept. So what changed? (this is a rhetorical question, I want you to think hard on it).
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>>378468518
>oh no, don't get me wrong, i am absolutely for unironic "really makes you think" shit, like nier:A that explored the concepts of duty and loyalty, and what it means to be human in a world where there are no humans left.
there is a lot more there than that, have fun because I did
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>>378470765
Pretty much. You can't expect a generation of nerds raised on video games to have an intelligent opinion though.

Everyone here is even afraid to say the word "politics" because of their /pol/ boogeyman. Don't you dare try to talk about the metanarratives of a video game! You must only talk about the video game itself! And if you talk about the video game itself you must shitpost it into oblivion!
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>>378470516
What are you even talking about? Jack Thompson has been vindicated in study after study. Do some research. Video games have been linked to violence, sexual behaviour, even fucking substance abuse.

>inb4 correlation =/= causation
Read the studies they've done.
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>>378464238
>Literally everything has some political component to it

You mean stuff like dark souls, hotline miami and devil may cry?

Hah, you learn something new everyday!
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>>378470979
>HURR EVERYTHING MODERN IS SHIT
*tips fedora*
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so /pol/ is now going out into the real world and murdering muslims and blacks, but antifa are the real terrorists/fascists

rly makes u think
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>>378463845
Maybe it would be fine if both wings of politics could be represented, but alas the values of one political wing is deemed politically incorrect.
That creates a very closed minded bias that underlines ironically the ignorance of the "politically correct" wing.
I now avoid games that get into identity politics bullshit meaning I have rekindled my love of Japanese games as the western vidya industry has devolved into the biggest group of pozzed faggots on the face of the fucking earth.
>Ubisoft
>Eidos
>Naughtdog
>Bioware
>Blizzard
>Gearbox

I have lost any and all faith in them over the years.
Now it's:
>Hey Gaben, got any Japanese games?
>Sure do, here is a bunch of stuff from the PSP and Vita, some Dreamcast games, most Final Fantasy games and most Platinum games.

>Hey Nintendo, I bought a switch
>Great, We have a 10/10 Zelda game, We just got Disgaea 5, Were going to have a new game with Travis Touchdown, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, "octopath traveler", some SMT game and the first real Mario game since Galaxy 2 or Sunshine depending on how you define it.
>Oh, and we are probably going to port over every WiiU game that was worth a damn.
>Were also going to try and fill the eshop with gamecube games because why not, no promises though.
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>>378470963
>No one ever said that Zimmerman did that to himself. Everyone is willing to admit that Trayvon fucked him up. The argument is who started and it was clearly Zimmerman because he followed him. Zimmerman got out of his car.
>He left the safety of his car and approached Trayvon.

No, Trayvon ambushed Zimmerman after returning to the scene. Try again coalburner.
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>>378463845
Go ahead, people will get bored of it. People won't buy their shit games because Tammi the ham can't program to save her life, thus making it a glitchfest. The gameplay will be shallow/non existent. And the people who are supporting them won't buy the game since they don't play the games anyways. Also, they're gonna be called racist because they made the black character the main character/villain/side character/love interest/exist. Or they didn't put any black people at all, tbus damning you to being a race hating white supremacist. Also, you forgot the trannsexual you misogynist. Now let's make a REAL game for REAL gamers.
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>>378470930
People love to meme that we've "grown out of videogames", but when one of those rarer-than-lottery-wins games come out that are not modern trash, I can still play them from wake up to 2 AM and want some more. Fact is, we haven't changed, games have.
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>>378471018
What studies have shown that? Because I've only heard over and over again, usually from studies posted here, that games don't cause violent or sexually aggressive behavior.
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>It's a "Redditor Libkids shit up a thread then blame /pol/ for making their dicks small episode"

My favorite.

>>378470963
Wow, upbloated. Racists btfo
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>>378470979
taking the b8
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>>378463845
If they enhance the story in games (which are 99.9% of the time complete shit and can't stand up with even an average book or film) then sure, I don't mind if things like >>378465620 this are included.
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>>378470936
It's also a problem I think with /v/'s impatience and tendency to think in extremes, as well as a general nerd tendency to oppose change. It has to be done perfectly or people shouldn't bother at all. There's no room for a learning curve. Failed experiments are just shit and a sign that the developers don't know what the fuck they're doing. Should've stuck to what we know is fun.
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>>378471053
Think hard about the question while you're away.
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>>378470941
Kind of ironic too when that post is talking about how liberals don't want you to consider both sides and think for yourself.
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The only politics these faggots want are liberal circlejerking, they can fuck off
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>>378463845
>Multi-million dollar investments should take massive financial risks and likely alienate 50% of consumers with political statements

Well gee that would be nice. It'd be nice to have them embrace better practices, release later, release without bugs and day one patches and stop putting out ripoff DLC.

Free money would also be nice.

It ain't happening.
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>>378470930
Almost all my games include war in some way. Probably one of the few genres untainted by politics but shitbagged by nationalism
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>>378467945
The next page they go over the top and bludgeon the reader with "THIS IS BAD!".
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videogames are already political.
What that author really wants
,is for political views to be aggressively pushed. Which I would just avoid completely, and won't happen because videogames first and foremost are a product for business.
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>>378464238
Politics

>the art or science of government or governing, especially the governing of a political entity, such as a nation, and the

Literally everything relates to the art or science of government or governing?
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>>378471103
Too bad jap games have been garbage for over 2 decades now.
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>>378471053
Yeah, even the shitposters, like (you)
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>>378463845
>politics
I'd agree if these fucks didn't really mean "our agenda".
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>>378470941
>There are very real concerns to be addresses about false liberal anti-white narratives
Why you gotta do this man

Your post was so sensible otherwise
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>>378470775
I have none. All people have flaws in their thinking and uplifting single people into ubermenschen intellectuals is for people that don't think for themselves. Who are yours?
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>>378471167
literally google video games violence

>Both the American Psychological Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics take a firm stance against children and teens playing violent video games.

>The American Psychological Association observed in an August 2015 policy statement (PDF) that research demonstrated a link "between violent video game use and both increases in aggressive behavior ... and decreases in prosocial behavior, empathy, and moral engagement."

From a CNN article
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>>378471364

I can only recall Japan struggling with game development during 7th gen. Otherwise they have been going great lately. You are missing out.
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Politics are fine but it shouldn't completely mirror real life. ie. making elves/demons the niggers of your game. Both sides should be seen equally, which means not forcing your ideology on to the players and showing the proper motives

Japan has been doing it for a long time already. Nothing new. The west is just awful at it and tries to force their way of thinking on you.

US
>You should feel this way and literally any other thinking is wrong

Literally anyone else
>Here's the narrative/situation, how do you feel/what do you think?
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>>378471215
It's amazing how hard you failed at trying to fit in with this post.
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>>378471269
>>Multi-million dollar investments should take massive financial risks and likely alienate 50% of consumers with political statements
They already do, but try 90%. There's a reason they keep making record lows.
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>>378471550
>US
>>You should feel this way and literally any other thinking is wrong
>
>Literally anyone else
>>Here's the narrative/situation, how do you feel/what do you think?


This
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>>378471084
No, you see, when a /pol/tard does it, it's a lone wolf who's taking things too far, but when antifa does it, or a Muslim does it, it's only the end result of their inherently violent ideology. Islam is just inherently violent in a way that fascism isn't.
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>>378467187

Nobody asked you for your stance on anything you condescending piece of shit
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>>378471504
>increases in aggressive behavior ... and decreases in prosocial behavior, empathy, and moral engagement.
Using the internet does this too but nobody seems to be against that
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>>378463845
What's Neogaf saying about this?
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>>378470765
That's because in videogames politics means: "break that fence! xDD get it??? because wall",
"make x y again!!!!!!! :DPPP","our old president looked like an orange,racist and almost exterminated x in-game race",and other american bullshit politics.
It's mostly infantile messages and references about real life issues.
I have absolutely no problem with politics as long as it involves in-game politics until they can provide better implementations.
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>>378471504
>CNN article

How about posting the actual studies you obscene faggot.

There's been studies that show that there is a link to """"violent behavior"""" and there's studies that says there's no link at all. The jury is still out and Jack Thompson hasn't been vindicated.

That said he wasn't a bad guy. He just thinks kids shouldn't play violent video games.
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>>378471108
Yeah, because he was being followed by a honkey with a gun
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>>378465620
>lets have a nuanced and intelligent discussion about politics
>any character that could be considered right wing is choking puppies and eating babies

When the discussion revolves around criticizing a fictitious world, where the person making an argument gets to paint this world anyway they see fit; it isn't a discussion. Its propaganda.
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>>378471084
Protip: The Portland stabber wasn't a Trump fan in the slightest, he was a Berniefag who wanted to do nazi shit around Trump supporters to make them look bad
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>>378471531
No way, fag. I always try a couple of the most praised games per gen (using factors outside the norm to control against mass appeal and non-game parameters like muh waifu garbage) and there's been nothing worth playing for a long ass time.
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>>378471123
>Now let's make a REAL game for REAL gamers.
Had me going until the final line, I admit. /v/ is hard to parody these days.
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>>378471787
>The American Psychological Association

hurr reading
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Is gematsu the only site left, capable of not spewing political (more importantly lefty, anti-fun) bullshit?
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>>378471684
don't forget 'mentally ill' or the attack being a false flag made to make poor innocent white nationalists look bad
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>>378471676
But Ubisoft is one of the worst at this, and their Leafs (coincidentally
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>>378463845
>bring in politics

Who's?
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>>378463845
/vpol/ when?
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Yeah, pretty sure we already dug up how that "white supremacist ranting about muslims" was in fact a Berniebro liberal communist judging by his twitter and facebook activity, but the MSM had to manufacture a fake news narrative to try to gain sympathy for muslims not a day after one of the followers of the pedophile warlord's sandreligion blew himself up and killed a bunch of little girls (some of whom haven't been seen since taking "free taxi rides" either)
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>>378471580
I'm not trying to fit in. The thing about being an oldfag is that you don't have to prove yourself to newfags. You just are what you are.
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>>378463845
How oblivious do you have to be to not see that many games already embrace politics?
Oh right, the author wouldn't know because she probably doesn't even play video games.
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>>378471876
explain the white supremacist that murdered the elderly black guy in NY last month, or the trump supporter that murdered two indian men in kansas back in february
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>>378471791
Man, you're baits just getting worse and worse.
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>>378471684
Yes, because someone saying allahu ackbah and terrorist organization taking credit, moreover contact between known terrorist and that person relating to the plan, means it wasn't terrorism at all you bigot!!! Also having a history of mental illness means the person is perfectly sane and was totally screaming ave maria off the top of their lungs.
>sjw logic
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http://www.csicop.org/si/show/video_game_violence_and_pseudoscience_bad_science_fear_and_politics
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>>378471434
Well, I guess they don't mean "literally Nazi propaganda" so yeah in that sense I guess it's at least not /v/'s politics.
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>>378471918
That's still not the fucking SOURCE.

READ THE SOURCE YOU FUCK.
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>>378472032
Murdering shitbags
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>>378471876
Of course the furfag tries to deflect any criticism of Trump
You are the most violent pieces of shit around. Need I remind you of Dylann Roof? Or how about that guy who murdered 2 Indians this year? The white supremacist who murdered an elderly black guy in NY?
>Maga xDD praise kek lol!
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>>378470112
Who?
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>>378472032
Literally who?

>>378472069
Ummm..wow...okay sweetie..../pol/ is that way...Jesus I'm shaking...
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>>378471341
Name one thing you think isn't political, and I'll show you how it very much is.
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Remember. Western devs are the champions of inclusiveness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKUGwlFJAHw
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>>378463845
Eh... maybe sort of not really depends on the genre. I think it is probably okay for video games to sort of mirror current events but you shouldn't be guiding the player's thinking. Forcing a political message into a game is the wrong way to go about it. Everyone is different and each player should be allowed to draw their own conclusions about events.
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>>378471987
>I'm an oldfag, I've been there all day!
Classic.
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>Opinion - Video Games Should Embrace Politics
What they actually mean
>Opinion - Video Games Should Embrace Only The Political Views Of The Democratic Left Of The United States And If You Try And Show Our Opposing Views In Any Positive Light Whatsoever We Will Get You Fired And Burn Your Studio Down And Cause A Massive Shitstorm Even Though We Don't Even Play Video Games In The First Place
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>>378471876
Everything you said is completely wrong. You stupid motherfucker.
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>>378472130
or how about the white supremacist that shot up a mosque full of praying muslims in qubec, or the racist alt-right kid who murdered a black marine?
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>>378463845

Whoever wrote that is a moron. That's just a terrible idea from the commercial perspective since it, unnecessarily, limits the game's target audience.

Plain simply it will make studios lose money because people don't pay 60 bucks for a game just so that the game will enlighten them as how much of a bigots they are or to participate in a political debate with fixed outcomes (because you can always tell this days which options are designed to make your character look progressive or an asshole... and that's when the game doesn't directly tell you "this is the asshole option. the gay members of your party will be triggered").

Seriously, that's what social media is for... games are for escaping reality (okay, farm simulator 17 is not) or to think about something else.

Nobody cares about an author/ artist political message. It can be there on the subtext if the artist is cleaver enough but it can't become the explicit text.
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>>378463845
Video games should be fun, not political fodder
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>>378472109
>literally ebel notsees

Neck yourself.

>>378472174
Wow...um...#notallTrumpsupporters sweetie
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>>378463845
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>>378472246
If you don't like the idea of games having leftist political opinions, maybe conservatives should make their own games
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>>378472270
How does it feel to be fucking wrong fuckboy?
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>>378471550
>Politics are fine but it shouldn't completely mirror real life. ie. making elves/demons the niggers of your game. Both sides should be seen equally, which means not forcing your ideology on to the players and showing the proper motives
No, this is dumb. Refusing to take a stance prevents a game from doing anything meaningful. Have some balls, for fuck's sake. What is it with the American obsession with showing "both sides" to everything? You need creationism to be shown as a viable alternative to evolution too. Well guess what, if science were a video game, it would definitely take a stance.
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>>378471684
>>378471084
>smarm
>lol islam isn't as bad as right wing terrorists fuck statistics drumf amirite

could this be... reddit?
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>>378472384
Conservatives don't buy games, maybe their on to something.
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>>378472109
Look at the pic and know it's the current year, do activate your almonds; one thing is to show a point of view, this is NOT what they mean to do, it's not to make you think but only to propagate the right agenda.
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>>378472396
What did he post right before killing the people faggot?
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>>378472270
The guy was a schizo. He had no political affiliation.
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>>378472412
You have to show both sides in a reasonable manner to actually highlight one.
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>>378472357
>trump supporters dindu nuffin, we a group of peace and sheit
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>>378472380
>"prey is a better deus ex than deus ex"
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>>378471797
Hm yes I agree George Orwell is a hack
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>>378463845
Fuck no. Videogame writers are fucking horrible, you don't want their horribleness exposed even more clearly.
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>>378472384
They did, until they got fired, their studios burned to the ground, and fined for having the "wrong opinion".
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>>378472125
Source is google
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>>378464238

you're thinking too hard mate. We aren't against political viewpoints in vidya just when they are shoehorned contemporary politics. i:e Making white nationalists the villain or making the bad guy a ruler named Ronald Rump.

When the term "Alternate facts" came up in a FFXV DLC it screamed "localization choice" AND GUESS WHAT? It was!
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>>378472032
>You can't complain about anarchists rioting, destroying property and throwing bricks at cops if anyone on the right whatsoever does anything bad
The hottest of takes.
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>>378472503
Ummm....wow..../pol/ is that way racist.
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>>378472489
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>>378472491
True, but right before killing the 2 people, he posted saying that he was doing what he was doing in favor of Trump.
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>>378472240
Try ten years bub. Maybe when you've been here that long you'll stop obsessing over fitting in too and you'll dare to voice your own thoughts.
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>>378463845
What she said
>videogames should embrace politics
What she meant

>videogames should embrace LEFTISM muh nigga lives matter

If videogames would start embracing extreme right wing themes she'd be the first to cry BAN THIS FILTH
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>>378472458
you know who's died the most from islamic terrorism? other muslims, but you don't give a shit
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>>378472212
blinking
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MAGA
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>>378472535
>fined for having the "wrong opinion".
name one company this happened to
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>>378463845
So that means we get to have right wing political viewpoints, right?

It doesn't mean liberals get to have politics, but nobody else does, right? A fair and diverse representation, right?

hahahahaha, liberals who the fuck are you trying to kid with this bullshit I mean really

Go stick your shitty communist propaganda up your ass
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>>378472576
Is that true?
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Why? so we can have yet another form of media shove the progressive narrative down our throats with zero attempt to look at a situation with some sort of balanced perspective?

Getting pretty tired of the liberals are saints and conservatives are devils line, I sure as shit don't need it in my video games.
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>>378472627
>10 minutes
wow, I'm impressed, reddit.
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>>378472584
>property damage is the same thing as racially motivated murder

really activated the synapses
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>>378465175
sure it can be about politics, but as long as it services the song. most of the time politics in modern vidya just serves to make you groan and wish they hadnt when you see it
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>>378472535
Weird, because I'm pretty sure you can be an indie dev and still make video games. Maybe the issue here then is that certain political ideals just aren't worth considering.
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>>378472634
You know some Chinese person slaved away in a sweatshop to make the computer parts you're shitposting with? But you don't give a shit.
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>>378472472
No they really are literally just showing a point of view you disagree with.
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>>378472687
All of them. Literally google it.
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>>378472212
Tell me about the politics behind the original Super Mario Brothers for the NES.
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>>378472763
>Random acts of murder are somehow linked compared to pre-mitigated groups designed for violence.
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>>378472634
>Ok yeah Muslims are most likely to be terrorists....*but*

Lmao get fucked kid.
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>>378463845
As long as it is right wing, I support it
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>>378472818
1/10, way too obvious.
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>>378472763
get shot, "tagger"
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>>378472535
Oh, you're a refugee from the timeline where Bernie won? Well tough shit, this is Trump's timeline, we don't take in refugees. Fuck off we're full.
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http://www.ehbonline.org/article/S1090-5138(16)30390-7/fulltext
Reminder that weak faggots lean left, men with testosterone lean right
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>>378465620
>That picture
Why dont they just make a fucking game in Africa?

Put a bunch of white people to.
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At some point, but not make a circlejerk about it.
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>>378472615
Why are you rationalizing the actions of a schizophrenic?
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>>378463845
Well done political themes give you shit like Dues Ex, MGS, and New Vegas and more games with well done political themes would be badass but that's not what we're going to get, what we're going to get more of is crypto-communists injecting their fucking retarded opinions into the games they made that are already informed by those politics.
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>>378472501
To portray as reasonable something that isn't actually reasonable is not a fair portrayal.
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>>378472886
>one black person murdered another white in a random act of violence = WHITE GENOCIDE THE BLACKS DECLARED RACE WAR ON US

>one white person shoots up some non-whites while screaming GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY = a lone wolf who doesn't represent us
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>>378472950
What right wing do you support my man ?

I am myself a proponent of French feudal monarchism, especially its Xth to XIIIth centuries manifestations.
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>>378463845
No they fucking shouldn't. We come to movie and video games for escapism from the real world and for entertainment. Bashing us over the head with this shit is not what is needed.
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I agree, but I hope you idiots realize that art has always skewed towards leftists politics. Not that you guys know anything about art beyond getting mad at Roger Ebert.
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>>378472576
White nationalists are pretty bad though and have been for decades. Next you'll say we can't use Nazis any more either because they're awfully current again.
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>>378472846
Not sure what communist country you live in, but that doesn't happen in the states.
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>>378473106
Very few positions are completely without reason
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>>378472763
And I guess since that BLM guy killed 5 cops in Dallas it means all black people are cop killers :^)
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>>378473137
>double standards
>>
When a filmmaker makes a statement, the crew is still paid their due. Their wages aren't directly affected by the performance of the film at box office.
When an architect makes a statement, his or her firm still has to shell out the pay to the construction, engineering, and other relevant advisory or direct-application firms hired to assist on the job.

When a developer wants to make a statement, sure, but have everyone in the studio acknowledge the fact that this statement may affect the performance of the game when released, which will affect the wages they earn.
Or don't at all.
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>>378471797
1984 confirmed anti communist propaganda

It can't happen here is anti fascism propaganda
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>>378473094
DELETE THIS
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>Game has Germans in it
>They're fucking White

It's fucking 2017, Jesus Christ
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>>378473137
Maybe this should help explain it
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>this thread
Dear god.
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>>378463845
>Video games should embrace MY political beliefs
Fixed that for them, because that's what they want to say.
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>>378465620
what game is that?
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>>378473225
Yes I know you white supremacists employ them regularly.
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>>378473137
Except black on white and arab, mexican for the US, on white crime is overrepresented, from burglary to rape, in all countries from Canada to Switzerland
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>>378472728
>zero attempt to look at a situation with some sort of balanced perspective
This would make sense if the other half wasn't usually just a call to commit violence and discriminatory acts against marginalized people
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>>378473286
>Society forces black people to live in crime ridden poverty filled environments
>Suprised when that hard life leads to tough choices

Wow....okay
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>>378471787
Fuck off you typical angry conservative housewife
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>>378473009
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>>378473106
If you can't understand the point of view of your opponent enough to make it reasonable in their worldview, you are probably a brainwashed puppet. Like most leftists.
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>>378473174


And it's produced some of the most unhappiest people. Coincidence?
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>acceptable politics in video games
Provides a setting with believable factions and characters, and presents players with realistic morally grey choices. Embraces the interactive nature of games by allowing players to choose for themselves, and then providing commentary on the player's actions.
Examples: Deus Ex and Fallout: New Vegas

>unacceptable politics in video games
Directly preaches the writer's views at the audience, and demands that they agree while unrealistically demonizing anyone who doesn't.
Basically this >>378465620
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>>378463845

Oh boy I loved how video game journalists described being forced to slap poop emojis on a Trump billboard in a video game as "immensely satisfying".

People are so pathetic.
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>>378467945
>>378468083
But didn't captain america turn out to be a hydra plant this whole time, or did they retcon that bullshit too?
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>>378473305

that was the Dreamfall Chronicles, after the guy who wrote longest journey/dreamfall was cut loose from funcom he went full retard. apparently he's sort of infamous in Norway or wherever for being an absolute tool.
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>>378473439
>Detroit was always what it is now
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>>378473351
I think you mean (you) white supremacists, faggot
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>>378473216
Bugger off, I don't want to play a WWII shooter that suddenly stops to ask me to consider the harsh conditions imposed by the treaty of Versailles. At a certain point it doesn't matter any more. If the bad guy is lining up Jews to execute them one by one, you don't care that he thinks he's making the world safe for Aryan babies to lead a new generation of Ãœbermenschen to a new Atlantis, which I'm sure is all perfectly rational if you'd have followed it from the start.
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>>378473439
>society forces

stopped reading there
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>>378473439
>Society forces black people to live in crime ridden poverty filled environments
how so?
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>>378471797
The problem is that it would be immoral—not to mention inaccurate—to present characters with right-wing views as being moral people. To take a character whose political ideology is based upon bigotry, superstitious beliefs, and conspiracy theories, then present them as anything but evil, would not only violate the believability of your world. It would promote a real-life worldview of accepting, or at least tolerating, conservative ideology.

I'm not saying that everybody with a right-wing views has to be a raving lunatic baby-eating card-carrying nazi. It's fine if they're going to be polite, normal-looking people who just go about their day-to-day life mostly innocuously. But to the extent that their conservative ideology is mentioned within the game's narrative, it cannot be handwaved or presented as acceptable, and must be exposed as the wrong and evil thing that it is.
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>>378473526
Not always. It used to have a car industry, but then it left.
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>>378463845
>politics
So in other words, propaganda. Specifically of the far-left revisionist kind, as opposed to unbiased depictions of both sides or criticisms of either's extremism.

Nah.
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>>378473229
I'm pretty sure developers are also paid wages during development. Selling lots of copies ensures they can keep paying wages to develop another game.
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>>378473557
Spot the Yank.
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>tfw no game where you remove communists
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>>378472212
Pong
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>>378463845
Sure as long as it isn't "DUDE RONALD BUMP HATES ELVES WE GOTTA STOP HIM".
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>>378473137
>"Behold this vast field, and the men of straw who inhabit it!"
More to the point
>One muslim person shoots up gay nightclub and kills 50 people because he hates gays = a lone wolf who doesn't represent us, literally because the CIA investigation found he had no links to ISIL despite him claiming to do it because of that organization
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>>378473507
God that was such a stupid idea.

>How do we bank on this new interest in Captain America?
>I know, let's make the hero made by Jewish guys to encourage people to fight against Nazis a Nazi!
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>>378473009
Well then I'll gladly be a weak faggot if it means I get friends, a social life, and a job. Meanwhile you can act like a racist prick on Twitter and then be surprised when you get fired over it.
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>sharedblue at it again
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>>378473572
>>378473563
>>378473526
I literally used a bait pic, and you niggas still fell for it.
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>>378471985
>He just a good neo Nazi he dindu nuffin
Jontron was a "bernie bro" also
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>>378463845
My thought is that you should stop shilling your shitty opinion piece, Game Informer employee.
>>
I can't wait to kill some christian cult militias in Farcry 5 and Nazi soldiers in COD:WW2 this year. Does it make you fragile white supremacist snowflakes mad that this is the year where video games are about your vile politics?
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>>378473351
I'm not even a white supremacist, faggot. (You) need to be gassed
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>>378473658
Red Alert?
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>>378463845
Video games have long had politics in their games. What I want is for these faggots to stop making such a big fucking deal about it.
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>>378473658
Commies (and socies) removes themselves by nature.
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>>378473563
>>378473572
have you guys heard of segregation and racial housing discrimination
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>>378473723
get 4chanx and filter gameinformer threads
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>>378473731
Couldn't care less desu lad.
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>>378473731
We've been killing nazis for 30 years, underageb&
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>>378473690
Jamal isn't your friend and prepping him isn't your job
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>>378473690
>"If you're not a douche like me then you're a full blown racist"
lol
no
>friends
>a social life
>/v/
lol
no
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>>378473235
>1984 confirmed anti communist propaganda
Well, kinda, yeah. Anti-Stalinist, more precisely. Orwell was a socialist. It's not even particularly subtle and Animal Farm even less so.

But I mean nobody would say that it's an inherently bad thing to include "politics" in literature and in fact politics inform so much of what we do that explicit attempts to not address any politics in particular and remain in the middle on an issue that is central to the work can come across as a very artificial attempt to avoid any offence in order to reach the largest possible demographic, i.e. compromising your integrity for marketing reasons.
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>>378473586
You leftists are just memorizing doctrine. You don't think for yourself. That's why you label those not following it evil.
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>>378473849
>>378473850
The nonstop threads about those two games on /v/ says otherwise.
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>>378473737
walks like duck, quacks like duck, its a duck
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>>378473690
Wowzers, get a look at this cool dude
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>>378473716
>Wah Jontron's an ebil nutsee
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>>378473791
>60 years ago
so what is forcing them now?
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>>378463845

>Video games should be able to embrace politics

There. They shouldn't inherently be expected to but there should also not be so much stigma attached when they do. They should be treated like any other piece of media or art.
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>>378473472
Sure showing a lot of understanding there bruv
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>>378473716
You don't have to be a neo-nazi to be a hateful, racist prick
also
>Jontron
>neo-nazi
Fucking
lel
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>>378472032
Or the Quebec shooter

Or the Kansas crusaders

Or the fact numerous police forces give statistics on hate crime against specific minorities and have found up to. 200 percent increase since Trump and Brexit

Statistics are infallible to/pol/ right?
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>>378467187
stop shitting up my world you neo-marxist shit eater
people don't want your shit in their entertainment and stuffing there causes them to go elsewhere and to find any avenue to shit in your mouth available to them
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>>378463845
>Video games should push political messages

Should? No. Be allowed to? Sure. The market has grown large enough that as people start doing this, their sales will tank. Just like what's happening with films.
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>Game Informer

>Not only doesn't inform you on games, but pretty much everything else it talks about.

I like their 10 Dorks of the Year, at least.
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>>378473690
>he actually uses twitter

NU
U
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>>378468560
Zimmerman also had history of being business partners with blacks, defending blacks from injustice and protecting his mixed race gated community.
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>>378472634

You know who suffers the most from Scientology? Other scientologists.

All you're is that Islam is such a fundamentally toxic ideology that even Muslims in Muslim countries are having their lives wrecked because of it.

Honestly, without all the desire to push your own political agenda, be completely honest, if the entire Middle East became atheist, do you think more or less people would suffer? Would crime go down? Would women be less persecuted? Would education improve? Just be honest.

>inb4 b-b-but the crusades.

I'm talking about Islam vs Atheism. Whataboutism is facile.
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>>378466503
Those are half movies anyways, but yeah, I try to ignore most of Sony exclusives.
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>>378463845
By this, they mean embrace only the politics they deem acceptable, aka, gender and race politics.
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>>378474038
>Or the fact numerous police forces give statistics on hate crime against specific minorities and have found up to. 200 percent increase since Trump and Brexit
Here's your (you) child
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>>378473965
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>>378473690
>Well then I'll gladly be a weak faggot

You just perfectly summed up what's wrong with White people.
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>>378474038
REEEEEEE FAKE NEWS
THOSE ARE ALL LONE WOLF'S
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>>378472069
>If you say God is great it's terrorism

Does that mean crazy people who said God spoke to them are terrorists?
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>>378474021
No. I understand the reasoning behind the naïve doctrine of the left. It just isn't grounded in reality.
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>>378474038
There's nothing wrong with taking out the trash desu
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>>378473439
>majority of places with poor white people has less crime than place where rich black people live
really activates my neuros.
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>>378473439
FORCED
O
R
C
E
D
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>>378472357
Fascism is inherently evil
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>>378474130
Fucking SJWs shoving their anti-Nazi views down everyone's throats
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>>378473649
I mean, you can understand where someone's coming from, and still think they're evil fucking bastards who need to be shot before they do any more harm (in the case of Nazis). You don't have to present them as reasonable, or as a viable alternative, or some wishy-washy truth is somewhere in the middle south park bullshit. Nazis are bad. This shouldn't be a contentious statement to make. In fact many games have made it. But it is deeply political and taking an obvious stance.
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>>378474130
that was then, this is now, people on here were unironically mad when activision said there would be no axis campaign in that cod game
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>>378463845

you heard it boys, my right-wing anti-liberal game will be a success.
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>>378473208
Any game that uses nazi's unironically is a joke.
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>>378474089
Also he's a FUCKING SPIC

>>378474153
It's okay Timmy, just put on your "Fuck Blumlpf" jammies, take,your tism pills, and take a nap.
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>>378473658
Hearts of Iron
Victoria 2
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>opinion-video-games-should-embrace-politics

"as long as its my politics"

Where are the games that show the holocaust never happened? etc
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>>378474130
>>378474283
>tfw grandpa was an SJW libtard cuck who fought in WW2
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>>378473930
This coming from a movement which is literally 99% memes
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>>378463845
>gameinformer comments section is surprisingly rational about it and mostly disagrees with the stupid notion
>"If you replaced every instance of the word "politics" with the phrase "my beliefs" we'd have a much more honest editorial."
This. Keep your "politics" the fuck out of games.
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>>378474212
so much for the tolerant right
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>>378472384
Factually conservatives are less artistic than liberals
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>>378473420
this is exactly what I'm talking about.
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>>378465175
Good music is purely instrumental. Lyrics are for plebs.
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>>378473690
Speaking of jobs you really should start applying for them. Your mom isn't going to take "B-BUT MY BOURGEOIS" as an excuse forever.
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>>378474315
Why wouldn't people be mad? Axis are under utilized. We're finally revisiting World War 2 and there are still very few games where you can play as Axis.
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>>378474153
Are you parodying yourself?
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>>378474274
How is a type of government inherently evil?
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>>378474176
Ignoring the fact you cherrypicked on purpose on account of being BTFO for a second,
not exactly because context matters. While isis says ALLAHU ACKBAH before suicide bombing, Christians don't. If a christian said DEUS VULT before suicide bombing, then yes. If a christian said they were trying to chase out the mudslimes from their country, then again, yes. If a christian says "god spoke to them", obviously he's crazy. The same would apply to muds as well.
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>>378474089
The fact they tried to make this guy out to be some evil racist shows how much they were clutching at straws desu.

Meanwhile Black-on-White violence happens everywhere yet no one will bring it up other than in the most extreme circumstances because it looks racist to focus on it. White people are fucking weak betas, they just let Blacks walk all over them and then clamor for more. Just look at the cucks in this thread.
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>>378463845
fuck off

the only politics gaming should have is vs non human races, but don't treat them like black vs white people politics and call it something else

you FUCKS

if your story is set in the 50s or some shit, before MLK, then yeah, i can see people being called nigger because it was more commonplace.

i'd want more behind the scenes shit though, like shadow politics. not TRUMP GOOD, HILLARY BAD shit that we got in the last few years


give me more deus ex 1 levels of good games and making me think, instead of current tumblr topic that will be forgotten in 12 mins because of the fucking information age we live in.
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>>378474416
No, your grandfather is rolling in his grave over how this country is becoming right now. He fought for freedom. He didn't fight for these faggots trying to censor and take away all freedom.
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I'd be fine with the concept but all media is mostly a leftist echo chamber with few exceptions.
If a game with heavy right wing views came out they'd blow their top in an attempt to scare publishers away to silence dissent.
Hypocrites
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>>378463845
We need more diversity. Not enough Ribbon Girls in video games.
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>>378474153
MUH RUSSIAN HACKERS DRUMPF STOLE THE ELECTION!!
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>>378474287
You can frame everyone as overtly evil incredibly easily, it takes a bare minimum knowledge of to do so and you do nothing but recite that.
You change scope, you actually bother exploring and then you get something better. You don't need to paint the Nazi's as some super happy wonderful entity that made germany happy-land to do that. It's narrowminded to say otherwise.
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>>378469231
Anyone from the left accusing anyone of needing a hugbox is the most ridiculous thing I can think of. Liberals fucking FEAST off each other in their echo chamber of idiocy. I can't tell if this is bait or not because the far left has actually gotten to levels of idiocy that shouldn't even be theoretically possible
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>>378474153
>>/reddit/
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I agree
https://youtu.be/8K3bBqKRaGA?t=2m20s
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>>378463845
Opinion - Elise Favis should be fired
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>>378474153
Yes, "wolf's" is how you pluralize that "wolf."
Meanwhile 239 people have been murdered in Chicago in 2017. Want to take any guesses about the demographic composition of victims and perpetrators? :^)
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>>378474192
Well, same to you, fag. Now go read the reply chain again and realise you're not telling me anything new. If you were to make a game where you "fairly" portrayed leftists as "reasonable" "from their view" it'd be a blatant alt-right propaganda piece you could spot from a mile away. You can't escape your own point of view.
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>>378463845
no thanks. i'll stick to weeb games that dont force bullshit into them like that
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>>378474417
And you have tried to label all of them Nazi at some point. That's all you know.
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>>378474586
Yes, he always complains that nazis aren't given more rights. Fucking SJW cucks amirite?
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>>378472883

Princess Peach.
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wow, nearly 500 replies already. Time flies when you're having fun
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>>378474505
Because it's an evil type of government.
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>>378474409
That's not politics, that's denying reality.
However it would make a really good plot point. Have everything from ingame books to NPCs on both sides to whatever else tell you that there was an attempt to genocide elves. During the course of the game you come across more and more hints that this might not be as it seems. Finally, it turns out it was all a ploy by the elves to take over the humans by rewriting their memories over a long period of time so it's not found out.
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>>378474728
Calling someone a nazi does not reinforce or prove your point.
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>>378469734
There is more than one kind of satire. Satire doesn't always have to have a deep meaning or message behind it. Satire can be satire just to make fun of shit. See most sketch comedy
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>>378473687
As stupid as it is, I kind of love the symbolism here.

>true american hero
>rvials are crazy super nazis that are cartoonishly evil
>libruls start to hate america
>start making the evil nazis talking sense to villify rational thought
>make american hero a nazi this whole time
>now we can hate America AND nazis and anybody who might remotely think like them

like pottery really
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Friendly reminder that Conservatism has long passed the overton window and all popular political movements are liberal.
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>>378463845
We need a game that lets people kill Nazis again
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>this board has been invaded by neoliberals and sjw.

Fucking Reddit.
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>>378474728
Alright kid, back to plebbit or wherever it is that you came from. You may think that to fit in you need to be an ironic, shitposting, subhuman faggot, but you don't.
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>>378474779
Agreed, wanting to kill niggers and kikes is not racist either.
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>>378474880
It's just people baiting.
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>>378463845
Shit "opinion"
Fuck whoever that person is
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>>378474763
That's a fascist statement.
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>>378474880
welcome to all of 4chan circa gamergate.
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>>378474614
But an actual fair treatment of the Nazis is still going to portray them as a bunch of genocidal twats in the end. There are things you just can't present as "reasonable" while leaving things in the middle. You can't portray everything as equal. Which was the original (dumb) suggestion.
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>>378474728
>Nazi's our grandparents fought
>Full blown murderers who put people in camps
>"Nazi's" that twitter fights
>People who say mean things
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>>378474153
Technically they are if there is no wider organization behind them.
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>>378474038
>there are statistics guiz
>I'm not gonna post them at all
>trust me they're totes real
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>>378474880
#Trump2020
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>>378474659
That's because you are so insanely used to being fed cancerous leftist propaganda at all times, dummy. You can't handle anything else.
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>>378474880
>>378474915
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>>378474970
>Full blown murderers who put people in camps
This describes the Americans and Soviets too.
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>>378474721
What are you trying to label me as?
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What games let me get two cones of Ice Cream?
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>>378474963
Moot was a mistake.
Then again, hiroshima is an even bigger mistake.
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>>378474970
>its just a joke bro, when i said i wanted to gas all jews and deport all non-whites i didn't mean it, why are you calling me a nazi?
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>>378474612
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>>378474965
The Nazi's were the goodguys relative to what they were up against. You are foolish.
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>>378474934
No, it's literally an anti-fascist statement. "Evil" is a negative attribute. "Fascism" is the referent. Don't beat around the bush with semantics. Being against fascism will never be fascist.
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>>378474618
>men smiling
>oh god I'm so afraid
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>>378474728
>talking with yourself to make you seem smarter
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>>378472567
That isn't how it works. When you make a claim the onus is on you to factually back your claim.
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>>378474910
Well kikes aren't a race so that one isn't.
>>378474965
Cool, that means you aren't revising history to highlight the benefits and negatives of such a society and frankly there is far more to WW2 than just germans killing jews. Like Russians killing Catholics, Americans killing Japs, Japs killing Chinks.
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>>378475115
>I'm just wearing a trump hat, why did you bash me over the head with a bike lock?
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>>378475150
those fucking bolshevik jews wanted to wipe out the white race and force communism on the world
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>>378474872
WELL YOU'RE IN LUCK MY FRIEND

PRE-ORDER NOW
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>>378475115
>"we should accept refugees unconditionally!"
>I don't think that's right, the system is already strained as is and we should focus on improving healthcare first
>"OMG NAZI KILL HE"
>20 commies dox and murder the guy
>nobody talks about it ever
..........
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>>378475175
>WHITE men smiling

Key word. Because Black men never mistreat women.
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>>378474659
>If you were to make a game where you "fairly" portrayed leftists as "reasonable" "from their view"

You mean the rick and morty vr game?
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>>378475062
Why are you flipping the discussion to sound like a victim?
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>>378475094
People need to let go of imageboards that update fast. Go back to the old internet where threads stay up for weeks.
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>>378475234
>i was born with this color of skin, why are you attacking me over it
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>>378475172
But antifa is the definition of fascism?
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>>378475223
All of which is irrelevant to the fact that Nazis are cunts. Relativism isn't going to help you avoid that.
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>>378474970
>>Full blown murderers who put people in camps
America had jap and german concentration camps, segregated blacks, and firebombed civilian villages, and nuked civilian japs.

but the nazis were evil because they did the same thing. The only thing wrong they did was target god's chosen tribe. Lick kike ass more, faggot.
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>>378475172
>"Evil" is a negative attribute.

Define it.

>Being against fascism will never be fascist.

Oh my god, did they teach you that in school?
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>>378475245
T.low IQ
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HEIL HITLER
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>>378475328
Because I'm a victim of your hypocrisy.
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>>378475363
shh you can't just break their world view like that, they'll have to start jumping through hoops.
>>378475382
>i'll call them cunts, that will surely validate everything I see
I told you this before, you can make anyone out to be cunts. Practically everyone did really fucked shit in WW2.
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>>378475429
>Define it.
Fuck off Socrates.
>did they teach you that in school?
They taught logic, yeah.
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>>378474038
>tfw I don't give a shit about looking "good" to liberals anymore and celebrate when whites kill non-whites
STOKE THE FLAMES EVEN MORE. DEHUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE TO BLOODSHED.
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I miss when story-based games were about philosophical ideas rather than enforcing a political agenda.
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>>378463845
Well they could always let a medium grow into its characteristics instead of forcing them onto the artists by complaining about things that don't matter (skin color and gender of protags, political bias).
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>>378474915
no it isn't
politics is the ground floor of subject matter, because people readily substitute detailed knowledge with simple narratives built around moralism
whereas none of these people would ever go into a discussion about oscillatory integrals and pretend that they had something to contribute, they all think they have the solution to laws, social, and economic structures
this is why you don't invite this discussion. people get emotional and stupid and hostile
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>>378475115
Yeah, the right says mean things online yada yada yada, but the Left having always been the ones actually causing serious violence. Pic related,
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>>378475172
>Being against fascism will never be fascist.
No bad tactics only bad targets am I right?
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Neo-nazis were a mistake
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>>378475470
There is no hypocrisy.
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>>378467835
>words
>more words
>even more words
>fuck it, get Dobson on the line

Are all lefty memes this shitty?
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>>378475497
You're not telling me anything new. I'm just trying to get through your skull that you're not going to be able to make a game that accurately portrays Nazis in which they will not come out looking as bad. Calling for "equal and fair treatment" and "leaving judgement in the middle" is a fairytale.
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>>378475601
>Latinos
Trump was right
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>>378475115
>So what you're going to become a minority in your own nation and the people we're replacing you with hate you
>what are you, racist?
It's perfectly acceptable to be a literal nazi at this point, you realize this.
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>>378475363

Antifa are literally communists. They've been around since the 1920's doing the exact same shit they were doing back then. Instead of "the poor vs the bourgeoisie" it's "The oppressed vs the oppressors" but it's the same murderous Marxist philosophy.
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>>378475657
You're upset because you think I assumed you're a Nazi when you're really just assuming I'd assume you're a Nazi.
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>>378475348
>White person attacks minority unprovoked
>"We need to have a talk about racism in this country"
>Person attacks someone because they're wearing a trump hat
>"Bash the fash"
There's the difference retard
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>>378475592
Well the emotional aspect is thanks to post-modernism and the complete inability to understand """philosophers""" like Marx who twisted Hegelian Dialetics so hard and everyone jumped onto the train with him as it ran over intellectualism.
>>378475670
I did neither of those things though, glad to see you complete missed the point.
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>>378475115
>fuck drumpf and fuck white people
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>>378474880
nah

4chan's userbase is just going through the same political polarization that the rest of Western culture is going through right now. 4chan was a lot more centrist/generally apathetic towards politics back in the 00's, and the nazism/racism was genuinely tongue-in-cheek and just done to piss people off. As opposed to nowadays where /pol/ racists post racist things "ironically" because "just a prank bro" is a convenient way to deflect criticism.
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>>378475406
>America had jap and german concentration camps, segregated blacks, and firebombed civilian villages, and nuked civilian japs.

>On May 31 and June 1, 1921, a white mob started the Tulsa race riot, attacking residents and businesses of the African-American community of Greenwood in Tulsa, Oklahoma, in what is considered one of the worst incidents of racial violence in the history of the United States. The attack, carried out on the ground and by air, destroyed more than 35 blocks of the district, at the time the wealthiest black community in the nation. More than 800 people were admitted to hospitals and more than 6,000 black residents were arrested and detained, many for several days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot
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>>378475670
you ever play the saladin or genghis khan campaigns of age of empires 2
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>>378475774
>I did neither of those things though
Well then kindly fuck off out of the conversation about those very things you illiterate twat
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>>378475768
>>White person attacks minority unprovoked
The reverse is 1000x more likely though
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>>378475747
they looked at lot less beta back then.
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>>378475562
>They taught logic, yeah.
>Dialogue
>Root words
>Dia
>Through
>Logos
>Logic
>Through Logic.

>ask honest question
>"Fuck off Socrates."
>not dialogue

If they taught you logic you did not learn it, demonstrably.
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>>378475872
>waa waa don't throw my retarded world view into the bin because I can't develop a reasoning for it
This is what you now look like, good job on being an overt retard.
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>>378475856
Prolly yeah. Refresh my memory, though, to see what you're getting at. Let me guess, it ameliorates some of the less savoury aspects of their characters? Would you say that's historically accurate or fair? Is it not taking a position on history?
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Explain to me why its objectively wrong to be proud of your race or where you came from
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>>378475831
Are you trying to dispute me or something? honestly whites should go back to rioting instead of dying out like meek little bitches.
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>>378472458
The issue with Islam is there isn't some magical solution. Shit like banning immigration does nothing because most attacks are domestic, done by naturally born citizens of Arab descent. What is the solution to this that is viable? /pol/ alt right shit talking about genocide and exiling naturally born citizens based off religion isn't a viable solution any adult will consider. Neither will citizenry tolerate religion bans. So, what's the solution?
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>>378475810
4chan was never satire nigger. If you were one of the people who thought people were being "edgy" for the lulz you were cancer.
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>>378476062

I meant to say "Also this" but deleted it while editing by accident. I was agreeing.
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>>378475746
A majority of minorities don't give a shit and you're revolving all your attention around the noise made by and for social media. It's not okay to be a Nazi. It's not okay for anyone to hate another because of their physiology and we're allll fucked.
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>>378475939
I'm not interested in defining "Evil" in a dying thread just so you can dance around throwing around semantics arguments you nonce. Nazis are evil, get over it.
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>>378475768
>White person attacks minority unprovoked
>"We need to have a talk about racism in this country"

This happens absolutely nowhere except some parts of the internet, what kind of level of delusion are you on? The entire world isn't 4chan.

Yeah man, CNN reports on Black-on-White crime and has White nationalists come on to give their side of the story. Those poor Left-wing commentators, they never get their shot in mainstream media! When will we hear their story?? ;'(
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>>378468560
>>378469415
probably both happened

why cant people realize that both sides did something wrong, just one ended up dead and the other needs to be evaluated to see if he deserves a punishment or not
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>>378475768
>because they're wearing a trump hat
Then it's not unprovoked. You're right, there IS a difference, and it's that the latter is deserved.

inb4 "edgy"
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>>378476068
>because most attacks are domestic
Most attacks are by second generation immigrants. If their parents weren't allowed in or were at least assimilated terrorism would be a non issue.
Stopping immigration won't solve the current problem but it will alleviate it down the road.
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>>378475890
>99% of attacks that happen to minorities from white people are racist attacks
Ok bud
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>>378476054
because whites are better and if we start displaying racial price it means browns won't be able to mooch off of us anymore.
That's why they are so frantic when they hear anything about white racism. Once it starts, it's a snowball effect that leads to their removal from nice white nations.
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>>378471876
Many berniefags voted Trump. Whether he loves Trump or not is irrelevant. He was a white supremacist neo nazi
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>>378475958
Throw what in the bin? You've no idea what we're even talking about, how do you expect to bin anything?
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>>378476054
um.... maybe because like you can't choose it?! because only things you personally do matters. And it has real consequences to other people who aren't dumb enough to be a racist trump supporter?!?!
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>>378475601
>Extreme left wing groups
>Jewish extremeists
>communists
These are arguably the same thing.

Also
>islamic extremists
This is allied with the above...
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>>378476141
>i don't want to defend my arguments i win

Then stop posting, you idiot.
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>>378476054
Explain to me how whites are objectively the 'master race' and why everyone else is inferior
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>>378475562
You realize that logic was the construct of the Socrates method right?
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>>378476074
It was 50% teenage edginess and 50% political apathy. When you got down to it most people would've professed liberal positions on most issues. Actual Neo-Nazis would've been looked down on as taking the internet too seriously.
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>>378476305
>being proud of your race means that your race is the master race
:thinking:
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>>378476180
>wearing an item is provoking someone
Unless it says "fuck niggers, kill them all" you aren't provoking anyone. Social accountability/responsibilty should dictate that you probably get treated like an idiot, not have acts of violence commited upon you.
>>378476237
Playing stupid does not remove accountability
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>>378476206
So your plan involves time travel? Future issues won't be solved since many are already in, and global warming will trigger a society destroying event in 40 years
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>>378476301
I'm sorry, define "argument"

Define "winning"

I think I'm winning, prove me wrong

u cant
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>>378476054
Hubris blinds you to flaws.
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>>378476394
>Playing stupid does not remove accountability
Well then you better stop
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>>378476231
>He was a white supremacist neo nazi

Because he went to a rally? Really? Because he said insane shit every fucking day, really? Because Trump supporters reported him to the police because they could tell just from looking at him that he was crazy?

Oh right, you take it as axiomatic that anyone who disagrees with you is crazy, so my arguments won't effect you at all.
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>>378476068
>Islamic terrorism in Western countries is carried out by Muslims
>Lots of Muslims in Western countries with more and more poring in every day.

Jeez, what to do, the question is just so difficult....
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>>378476124
>Minorities don't give a shit that they are taking over white nations
Yes, as I expected. But whites do and should give a shit.
It is perfectly acceptable to be a nazi when everyone is saying that in 50 years you will be a minority in your home nation and in 300 years you will go extinct.
Unless you want to die off like a weak little bitch, be a nazi.

If a nation in africa was going to be majority white in 50 years and all africans there would be gone in 300 years you would rightfully say it was an evil deed. But when it's happening to whites you squirm. You're an indoctrinated bitch boy looking at your extinction with passivity, go kill yourself.
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>>378474586
>fought for freedon

no they fought for the kike overlords you stupid cunt. You have no freedom
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>>378476068
The solution is those two very things, but I think we have to wait for the civil wars for them to be acceptable enough. Most Westerners hate themselves to such a degree now, that they think they deserve to have their children killed by the sandpeople they welcomed in.
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>>378476394
>Unless it says "fuck niggers, kill them all" you aren't provoking anyone.
It might as well since Trump cut funding for black counties and welfare. Maga hats are the fedoras of today.
>dude, there's nothing wrong with wearing swastikas! it doesn't say "fuck jews" on it so it's ok
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>>378476524
>no you
You have this habbit of dismissing something in simple terms instead of arguing it, you should work on that if you wish to improve yourself.
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>>378476405
rofl
can you point to the page of the ipcc 5th assessment report that details yourr society destroying event in 40 years
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>>378476074
t. '09er
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>>378476539
Yeah, the answer is obviously genocide, it's so easy, why didn't anyone else think of that.
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>>378476429
>hides behind computer

Boy he sure showed me. What a man.
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>>378476405
It will prevent it from getting worse. which is an infinitely better solution than doing nothing and letting the problem continue to grow ever larger.

>global warming will trigger a society destroying event in 40 years
Righto bud
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>>378476206
>If their parents weren't allowed in or were at least assimilated terrorism would be a non issue.
I'd argue they'd need to be heavily assimilated then
1st gen immigrants, assuming they're not already terrorists, probably turn away from it because they've seen terrorism of that kind first hand
2nd gen immigrants, however, never saw any of the bad first hand, so I'd argue they're more susceptible to radicalization because propaganda and ethnic/religious pride are more effective to someone who see's those terrorists as righteous warriors, not murderers
In the same sense that I would argue Irish immigrants and people of Irish descent in the US probably have a higher opinion of the Irish Republican Army than Irish people who are actually in Ireland.
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>>378476231
see
>>378472602
He only acted like a neo-nazi to make the Trump supporters he tried to group with look bad
He's a fucking scummy piece of shit and you can suck a dick for believing lies
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>>378476220
>when a nigger attacks a white it's not racist
>when a white attacks a nigger it is always racist
>having a racist thought while you attack someone is somehow more evil than attacking someone
niggers are so obsessed with whitey hating them, lel.
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>>378476559
9gag is that way you fucking goober
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>>378476559
>he says on the internet without being arrested

Millenials are such spoiled fucks it's hilarious. You know you're the 1%, right?
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>>378476603
>cutting funding is now an incitement to violence and a declaration of a race war
This is the absolute state of the liberal mentality, pure anti-rational anti-intellectualism whilst being pro-violence.
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>>378476628
I was going to say stop the influx of Muslims, maybe you should get some help for that edginess their bud.
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>>378476609
I'm already pretty much perfect, though.

Miles above the common rabble of /v/ at any rate. I'm pretty much untouchable to you plebs.
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niggers
lol
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>>378476331
it was autistic weebs and bullies. Bullies aren't liberal at all. It was all about raids. Neo-nazis weren't looked down upon, some were just lolcows who got targeted. People weren't politically apathetic they just weren't trying to shill an agenda/ belong to a cool kids club they had internalized their values.
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>>378476603
>It might as well
But it doesn't
You fucking retard
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>>378476791
Follow this anons advice if you truly believe that.
>>378476474
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>>378476726

Which is ironic because if whitey hadn't bought their ancestors from other blacks, they'd either not exist or be living in shitholesburg africa.
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>>378476678
That was exactly my point. The 1st generation realise how good they have it but they don't assimilate so that their children are raised as if they were 1st generation themselves who then grow up to resent society for being different instead of their parents for being retards and raising them as if they still lived in a foreign nation and culture.
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>>378476630
Oh, what's that, you're not attempting to define anything. What's the matter, can't handle a logical argument?
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>>378476305
We didn't invent the gun, but we used it to own the world like no other.

And then something something white guilt so we gave it away and now look how much "better" it is
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