SS > BotW

I want to cum on her eyelashes.

>>378460151
Why?

>>378460151
Skyward Sword is the paragon of "fuck you I liked it" for me. I 100%'d it in about 3 days and didn't once think it was a bad game or that there was anything wrong with it. That final boss fight made me cream my pants and everything about the dungeons and extra stuff like hero stuff was fun. Only gripe was lack of exploration, but BotW definitely helped my exploring itch and then some. As a standalone "boy on an adventure" game this shit is kino and everyone who disagrees is just being contrarian. The dousing mechanic only did so much to affect the quality of the game and in all honesty it wasn't even that annoying.

>>378460151
No.

But Skyward Sword is good. The art is beautiful and the dungeons are fun.

Needs and HD Remake on Switch with the following changes:

-1080p
-Waaaaaaaaay less obtrusive UI and HUD
-Remove motion controls for flying the bird thing
-Make all Imprisoned fights and "collect 20 of these things" parts skippable

Those changes could bring SS up to a 7 or 8 out of ten game IMO.

>>378460151
BotW must be pretty shit then.

I sure love repeating the same 3 zones twice

>contrarian underaged faggot trying to force his zelda cycle meme
yawn

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>>378460825
I agree with that, my big gripe was the whole "you got 5 rupees" message every single time I restarted the game, and Fi explaining absolutely everything to you.

It had great use of motion controls, in hindsight it was pretty bare in places, but I still enjoyed it. Ghirahim was a great villain, and the entirety of the final boss fights were all well done.

I feel that it and BotW are too different to compare though.

>>378461208
You're not wrong.

Every time I play Twilight Princess, I fall more in love with it.

I still tend to give OoT the nod on most days, but TP is terrific.

>>378460827
>But Skyward Sword is good.
no it's shit

jump off a bridge with your zelda cycle meme

I love this game so much. It had new races and the story was really fun to do. The side quest were actually fun in this game.

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>>378460151
I didn't like SS that much, but I still liked it more than BoTW.
BoTW is great for the first ten or so hours, then gets real boring real fast. Nothing really new or interesting happens as you go about doing the same types of things over and over again.

>>378460827
>Needs an HD Remake
Fuck this shit.

>>378460903
Between you and him, you're still the bigger faggot.

eating Ascariasis infected shit >>>>> SS

SS would be a 9/10 if they dropped the last third dragon bullshit in place of opening up 3 new areas in the past or on the sky, all with a dungeon. Each would give Link the right to claim a piece of the Triforce and Sky Keep would be the finisher to actually claim them.

It felt unfinished, and it's probably due to so much time being spent on motion controls.

Also I feel like I'm one of the only people on earth who just decided to ignore Fi and never had issues with her as a result.

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>>378460151
It's better in some ways and worse than others.

Better:
>dungeons
>story (though that's not saying much)
>characters
>races
>villain(s)
>music
>level design
>items
>character progression (again, not saying much)
>charm
>pacing
>menus

Worse:
>handholding
>exploration
>world design
>introduction
>enemy AI
>dynamic gameplay
>freedom
>item pickup messages

About the same:
>lack of variety (enemies, combat, locales, etc)
>inconsistent artstyle
>dude the Master Sword and the Hylian Shield are the end-all be-all of Link's equipment, pay no attention to LttP or OoT

>>378460151
No it isn't. SS is still dogshit.

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>ppl likes SS now

HOLY SHIT THE PROPHECY IS TRUE. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>378466915
People always liked Skyward Sword. Just now they are being more vocal about it because Nintendo has pretty much said there will never be another Zelda that follows the "formula".

>>378460151
/v/ contrarianism has gone too far

>>378467479
That's not true at all and you know it.

>>378467479
>People always liked Skyward Sword

Except they didn't like it, you fuck. just because BotW came out doesn't mean SS is a good game, the wiimote controls are horrible and ppl feel like a baby in a EC rated game.

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>>378461208
TP is one of the most traditional Zelda games ever. Best gamut of dungeons in any of the 3D Zeldas. Best companion too.

Just a shame the story sucks and there's way too much padding.

If TP was to swap out the stupid wolf tears sections for the brilliant silent realm sections of Skyward Sword, you would have a near perfect Zelda game.

SS Zelda = Tetra > TP Zelda > Poop > BotW Zelda.

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>>378468132
This.

Skyward sword would've been 100x better if it lost at least some of its padding. Visiting the same area for the third time was very shit.

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>>378467732
>>378467950
There have always been a non-insignificant number of people who've liked Skyward Sword since its release.

>>378467950
>>378467732
>revisionist history

>>378460151
Kill yourself faggot. SS will always be garbage.

>>378467975
What the fuck is this? I constantly see this posted and I have no idea what it's for. I obviously missed the shitto meme memo that daym

skyward sword is 40 hours of korok trailing missions

if you think it's better than botw in any way you're a mongoloid

>>378468589
It's links hair

Omg
Dont remind me about this game.

My mom bought a wii for my little brother and i bought zelda ss because i never played a zelda game before (playstation guy). I fucking loved it and spent so much time playing omg. Try to get everything...i remeber my grandma came
To visit from Argentina and when she left she took the wii with all the games
For
One of nieces.
I was so fucking pissed off, so fucking much cus i was so close to finishing it.. all the fucking time i spent on it holyshit.

OP is a faggot with shit taste

>>378469040
post sona hair

Skyward Sword Story > BoTW

BoTW >>>>> Everything else Skyward sword

I really liked this game.
All the complaints involve the story being to long but I really enjoy that in video games. One of the reasons why I hated TP so much was because it ends so fast.

>>378469040
Man that hair artstyle isn't even close to the rest of the games. That's distracting

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>>378460151

>>378468589
>Newfag

>>378469249
This.

>>378460151
They're both pretty mediocre, ALBW is far better than both.

>>378468589
It's for some shit flash game that no taste autists mod and wank to.

>>378469249
You forgot SS has better dungeons, items, combat, music, and just about everything that makes a zelda game a zelda game.

How many Zelda games will be on the switch VC?

>>378469679
I often forgot that most of the young men here are closet homos.

>>378469827
BOTW relics are better then SS items

>>378469827
>muh dungeons

Skyward Sword is fucking garbage.

Skyward Sword is the only Zelda game that's actually bad, terrible indeed.

And BotW is the best 3D Zelda ever.

>>378469827
>motion controls trash
>good

The combat in BoTW is precise unlike the shit we got in SS

I like OoT and MM.

I think WW, TP and SS are all shit.

And I also liked BotW.

>>378470525
I would agree if there were more of them and you weren't just handed all of them in the opening area.

>>378470534
Yet the dungeons are still better than BoTW's.

>>378470649
>I have no coordination

>>378460151
yeah skyward sword link actually has emotion

>>378470558
Wow. You really live life by extremes don't you? Everything is either TOTES AMAZE BALLS or ABSOLUTE SHITE.

Whatever happened to QUITE GOOD?

I haven't played BotW but I can say SS has some of the better character and world personalities. This game actually makes you get to know and care for Zelda the only other game that achived to make me feel this way was with Spirit Tracks.
But everything else SS did was shit

Skyward Sword is so shit even Adventure of Link got more votes.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6722-whats-your-all-time-favorite-legend-of-zelda-console-game

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Best Zelda

>>378470845
I fucking hated SS, it was a chore to play and I had to force myself to finish it, didn't enjoyed it at all, I think it was everything wrong with modern Zelda put into one game.

>>378470772
>motion controls apologist

No wonder you enjoy genuine shit like Skyward Sword.

>>378470916
kek

>>378468132
How about get rid of the wolf completely, worthless transformation

>>378470772
Coordination?
I beat the fucking game flicking my wrist

>>378471010
I never had a problem using the motion controls and I enjoyed that sense of immersion. The only time it was annoying was when the battery was dying.

>>378470916
ss is just poor. you knew it was going to be bad since the botched e3 reveal

Daily reminder that based Aonuma was against motion controls from the start but Miyamoto insisted on it. Aonuma conceded but throughout development he regularly told Miyamoto to get fucked. Such tension behind the curtain will always lead to a troubled product.

>>378471230
That sounds like it would feel like shit. Why would you do that?

>>378470772
A couple of good dungeons doesn't make for the rest of the game. Skyward Sword will always be shit.

>>378471263
That was cringe.

>Is anybody out there using wifi?

The best thing about SS is that it made the development team reevaluate themselves and make BotW.

>>378471383
Well it wasen't or maybe it was I don't I just remember not needing swing my arm around like an autist

>>378471376
Motion controls were fine. The problem was pacing, a giant ass tutorial/handholding, backtracking, and an empty overworld.

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And people still believe the Zelda cycle isn't real.

>>378460151
I'm honestly inclined to agree. Having actual dungeons even though the Overworld is kind of trash really is the thing.
At least in Skyward Sword like in every Zelda game your led to cleverly designed set-pieces as you go rather than spending more time running through a dead overworld than actually doing things. And breath of the wild dungeons are all pretty samey. even the beasts and they're all extremely short and the bosses lack any real distinction from one another. He'll the sand-ship dungeon is more creative and well thought-out then pretty much anything that goes on in breath of the wild, it's kind of stunning

I actually enjoyed doing the silent realm

>>378472257
its not, literally nothing changes. people just forget "people liked it/people hated it"

>>378472257
It's not real, everyone but OP agrees that SS is a shit game.

Every Zelda > BotW

>>378472330
The silent realms were legitimately awesome.

>>378473076
Keep crying.

There are only 4 Zelda games.

Zelda, Zelda II, A Link to the Past and Breath of the Wild.

The rest is cinematic autistic garbage for 8 years olds.

I take those real Dungeons and beautiful pastel colors over no dungeons and an overworld that looks like something out of No Man's Sky any day

The samefagging is strong in this thread.

I know this because there can't be more than 2 people who like SS at all.

>>378473427
go to bed Arin, you suck at videogames

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>>378467479
>People always liked Skyward Sword
No they didn't, this is a bullshit lie. This is literally dark souls 2 all over again. Game comes out, it's shit, everyone hates it, a couple of games later suddenly a small minority look back and say it was pretty good actually.

It doesn't change a thing, a shit game is still a shit game.

>>378473427
If you think the Oracle games and Minish Cap are bad you're further on the spectrum than anyone here.

>>378473895
It's just /v/ being contrarian as always, that won't ever change the fact that SS is a piece of shit and easily the worst 3D Zelda.

>>378469827
>only 3 generic zones
>little to no exploration
>shit overworld
>constantly reused content
>shit motion controls
the only good thing about SS is it's dungeons. The rest is pure shit. It doesn't even feel like a finished game with how much they reuse everything.

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I wish BOTW had more of the light-heartedness that SS had, but I still think BOTW is better

fuck motion controls

What's up with all the Zelda arguing today?

>>378473976
Oracles and Links Awakening are incredible.

Minish Cap is just average

No, you're wrong, you're just a contrarian piece of shit looking for a bone to pick with the greatest game ever made. Fuck off.

>>378474418
Skyward Sword babies feel left out of actual Zelda discussion.

>>378473895
I'm with this guy >>378460825
Fuck you, I liked it. In fact, it's one of my favorite Zelda games. The story and characters were so much fun I didn't even mind the handholding repetitive Imprisoned fights. The only real complaint I have is the lack of exploration. If it had that, too, this would easily be my favorite Zelda game.

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IS BOTW WORTHY OF BEING IN THE SAME TIER AS OOT, MM, ALTTP, AND LA?????

>>378473427
>unironically enjoying the first zelda
Autism.

>>378460151
what would you do to zelda's gurl pucci?

>>378474925
If it had actual dungeons than it would be

>>378473895
>everyone universally hates thing
That's not how it works you colossal faggot

>>378474209
Yet it's still better than BOTW in every one of these departments >>378469827

>>378474925
Not quite. I'd place it around TP and SS in how much I enjoyed it. That is to say, not all that much.

The hype wore off

>Skyward Sword above anything
It's tied with Twilight Princess for being the worst Zelda imaginable. How anybody can like that disaster is beyond help or reasoning.

>>378475621
Why do people think TP is better than OoT?

>>378474925
No, it's not.
It belongs with all the other garbage open world games like Skyrim, Saints row 4 and Fallout 4

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>>378469679
>a game where you literally make your own characters
>shit taste

....that literally reflects upon yourself

>>378476926
They seem to forget about the Wolf bits. And the fact that it's somehow much easier despite being grimdarkedgyadultsonly. And many other facts.

>>378478160
I really think the only Zelda games one could argue as better than OoT are ALTTP, MM and maybe Links Awakening.

>>378461501
i hope we get tp on the switch

>>378461208

>there will never be a game as cool as twilight princess again

>You'll never have an ancient kingdom, steeped in darkness, with dungeons full of mystery, magic, and gravitas as you explore a hyrule that is truly in danger of being firmly within Ganondorf's calculated grasp

>You'll never see a huge sprawling world that you know holds secrets just beyond the corner

>You'll never ride on epona with that beautiful hyrule field theme playing

Hmmm, what's that behind Zelda's finger...?

>>378478595
I haven't played the other 2D games but I can agree with that.

>>378479321
Her thumb?

>>378471212
Because that gimmick is the only thing keeping TP from being a OoT remake.

>>378460151
>SS > Anything

Good one

Can we just release the next Zelda so we can all pretend it's bad and praise botw? Let's just get on with the cycle

>>378479142

I don't think any Zelda's topped TP for me. The only thing it lacked to me was difficulty.

Breath of the Wild > Link's Awakening > A Link to the Past > Wind Waker > Ocarina of Time > Oracle of Ages > Triforce Heroes (3 Player) > A Link Between Worlds > Majora's Mask > Oracle of Seasons > Ancient Stone Tablets > Four Swords Adventures (Multi) > Minish Cap > The Legend of Zelda > Twilight Princess > Skyward Sword > The Adventure of Link > Four Swords Adventures (Single Player) > Spirit Tracks > Phantom Hourglass > Triforce Heroes (Single Player)

>>378479321
Rinku

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>>378460151
Which Zelda was the lewdest?

>>378460151
*checks watch*
lol is it already time for SS to go from shit-tier to underappreciated-classic tier? Majora's mask needs company.

>>378472269

The Divine Beasts were really cool setpiece puzzles with fun action sequences leading up to them. I'd be interested to see what they would do with a BotW-style game with traditional dungeons in a future Zelda game, but for now, I honestly can't say I missed traditional dungeons this time. I feel like the exploration, exciting visual themes and challenging enemies that made me look forward to the dungeons in past games (especially the 3D Zeldas) was already worked into the general overworld exploration so well that I didn't need the strict divide between gameplay styles that the previous 3D entries had.

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>>378481853
This Zelda

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>>378481853
SS

>>378471230
confirmed for not actually having played SS.

>>378482105
>Zelda

>>378481360
Why do you put TP over OoT, ALTTP, and MM out of curiosity

>>378460151
Stop trying to force the cycle

>>378482128
>(male)

>>378481975
>Majoras Mask needs company

Not really, unless the vocal minority is very loud.

>>378460151
I don't like SS but at least it has actual dungeons.

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>SS
>better than anything

Even uninspired games like Twilight Princess are more beloved than Skyward Sword

>>378460151
Both are great, i want to copulate with them via their wastehole.

>>378482891
>ALttP, OoT, and MM Top 3

As it should be.

Now why is it cool to say OoT is "overrated" these days?

>>378461480
Hi Emile.

>>378483757
botw has more votes than fedora mask, retard

>>378483757
>Now why is it cool to say OoT is "overrated" these days?
Some people feel that it's too dated to still be considered a GOAT game.

And people that preferred MM, WW or TP have resorted to shitting on OoT to further their arguments.

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>>378460151
If you're talking about the actual character of Zelda, I kind of agree.
As for the games, nah.

>>378478093
>literally make your own characters
You dress up dolls that all essentially look the same and have them perform a single sex act in a janky manner. Don't try to pretend the customization in SDT is anything good.

>>378460151
I agree... but pretty much every zelda game is very average desu.

>>378474925
>2d shit
>good

>>378460151
Botw made me realize how women with an exposed forehead are ugly. Gimme SS Zelda any day

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No, and you're a fucking retarded cunt

>>378485442
It's a b8 thread unless you think that Zelda cannot exist without dungeons.

>>378460827
skyward sword remake that uses 2 swords instead of one with 2 joycons

He's right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNLMDWZY6_A

>>378469827
amber relic would like to have a word with you

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this thread proves the Zelda Cycle is real

why's the zelda fanbase retarded?

>>378486383
>why's the zelda fanbase retarded?
What fanbase isn't?

>faggots ITT defending TP
TP is absolute garbage you fucking faggots.

>>378474161
I don't think you know what the word contrarian means.

>>378472257
Zelda Cycle is not actually real.

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>>378484368
This
SS Link is also cute

>>378487035
He looked retarded whenever he smiled

>>378483757
It's ALTTP, OoT, and BotW you idiot.

>>378487035

He looks more built in this game so i like that. He looks like a twink in botw.

Think it's funny, zelda fans don't know what they want, because there are major groups that feel zelda should a different thing than the other

>We have the old men that think zelda should only be 2d and link should always wear hsi grene tunic and fight ganon
>Babies that played ocarina of itme and thought it looked like twilight princess and that's how it should always look
>People that actually think zelda is about the story or that zelda stories are good
>People that genuinely liked skyward sowrd so the lack of exploration and abuse of hand holding si not an issue to them, hell they even have Stockholm syndrome with motion the controls
>People that say BOTW is the best zelda ever, so obviously the lack of dungeons is not an issue to them

Seriously, I've never seen such a segmented fanbase before, and this is why zelda will never be good again.

>>378488226
t. CoDshitter

>>378461208
TP is fucking garbage. SS was at least had some redeeming qualities.

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>>378460151
>>378460825
>>378460827
>>378461480
>>378463538
>>378466515
>>378467479
>>378469348
>>378469827
>>378470818
>>378470870
>>378470947
People thought BOTW would break the cycle, I mean it should have, but I knew it wouldn't.

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>>378487843
>He looks like a twink in botw.
and?

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>>378460825
The game had its moments, no doubt. It unfortunately had just as many shitty moments that made the whole thing such a chore to go through that it was one of the few Zeldas I don't replay every couple years. Things like Fi being really intrusive or having to learn about Amber Relics every time I turn on the game really starts to wear on you after a while. It also managed to have an overworld that was simultaneously too barren (The Sky) and too cluttered/railroaded (The Surface).

And fuck me, the bosses are some of the most polarized in the entire series. They either fucking nailed it with Ghirahim, Demise, the robo-pirates, Koloktos, and Moldarach, or dropped the ball HARD with Tentalus, that spider-lava orb, or The Imprisoned over and over again. The game is really a huge pile of wasted potential, since we got a taste of so many things done right that were just completely overshadowed by the things done wrong that were easy fixes.

>>378489687
stop fapping to him

>>378489687

Disgusting

>>378489446
BOTW has been shat on since the beginning by Sonybros and people that claim that all good reviews are bought.

>>378488226
The fanbase might be segmented, but at least it's not flooded with constant infighting like the Metroid fanbase is. I've never seen a group of people so vehemently hate so much of a franchise they claim to love. At least Zelda's differences between titles means that it's got at least one game for anyone out there.

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>>378489802
>>378489842
Why would i not fap to him

>>378490184

I told you i'm more into built men not this twink

>>378489694
In the case of SS vs BotW, I'd really say it's a matter of preferring an experience riddled with incredible highs and horrible lows or a fairly consistent (and good) but rarely incredible (and very rarely terrible) experience respectively

>>378489919
that and its also not that good. Following SS gave it a pass for early on, but after a while you realize how shallow the game really is.

>>378490184
he's innocent

>>378490143
I like seeing all the differing opinions. But the vocal minority shilling their favorite game will always be the loudest. The most respected Zelda games will always be ALttP and OoT.

I really wanted more of a story in botw

>>378461208
Amazing atmosphere

>>378490376
What are the incredible highs of SS? It's been 3 years since I last played it but I can't remember anything memorable about it other than Zelda, Groose and the pirate ship temple.

So is zelink canon now?

>>378490734
Me too. I want to know how Link became Zelda's bodyguard, before memory one

Your favorite Zelda is not the best one /v/

>>378486502
any quiet as fuck fanbase ever

>>378490915
Yeah, it's a shame that the most fleshed out characters aside from Sidon are all dead since before the beginning of the game.

>>378488695
>thinking people give a shit about CoD after WW2
7th gen's calling you

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>>378490376
That's fair enough, but I honestly think if you go into BotW completely blind you're going to get more "holy shit" moments than just about any other game out there. Shit like the dragons are really mundane once you get used to them, but seeing Farosh erupt from Lake Hylia for the first time as I crossed the bridge on horseback, or discovering my first Lynel in the Coliseum really stuck out to me. I still remember climbing to the top of Gerudo Mesa and realizing that what was walking around in the middle of that sandstorm was a fucking 100-meter robot camel, then panning over to Death Mountain and watching Vah Rudania climb around the mouth of the volcano, and realizing just how fucking BIG the world was.

Unfortunately, as cool as these moments are, so much of the enjoyment comes from discovery and exploration that once you've seen it's never as impressive the second or third time. But I think that's where the consistency in mechanics start to pick up the slack as people start discovering more FUN shit to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUHtaoX5YS8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcRXq4wjsF0

>>378488987
Hahaha oh wow

Oh wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder.

>>378470870
I like BotW's Zelda better because SS Zelda was basically just like any generic nice girl protagonist you'd find in an anime, but BotW lacks great villains/supporting characters like Groose and Ghirahim.

>>378491273
That's one thing I'm concerned about this game...replayability.

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STILL THE BEST

1998

>>378491464
Muh overrated

>>378491410
Breath of the Wild is extremely repayable unless you're a 100% completionist.

>>378490915
>>378491169

And you get nothing from teba or the other helpers either. Once you're done with them there's no other quest or anything from them.

>>378491370

I'm not even that anon and i like SS over TP. TP was boring as shit.

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>>378490353
what does that have to do with me fapping to him

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>>378490619
Are you sure

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>>378492096

You replied to me first anon. You wanna fap to that twink that's fine but I'm not. I'll fap to sidon tho.

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>>378492156

Everyone would turn into a slut for sidon

>>378492369
>>378492454
>you will never fuck Sidon

why live

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>>378471212
The wolf form would be alright to me if there weren't the parts like finding the fucking goddess souls... It literally keeps me from ever replaying because the beginning soft tutorial all the way until you first get to kakariko takes sooooo fucking long.. And finding the souls in wolf mode is a fucking stupid game lengthener

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>>378492657
>>378492454
>>378492369
Some of us actually want to discuss the games you fucks, take this somewhere else.

>>378460151

I agree, actually.

TP > OoT = MM >>> SS > BotW > WW

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>>378492741
>discussing videogames
>on /v/

>>378492848

Now you're just lying to yourself

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>>378482891
>BotW having more votes than MM despite MM's GOD TIER DUNGEON DESIGN

>>378492848
WHAT

>>378493032

I assure you, I am not. I still can't bring myself to play BotW more than a couple hours every 2 weeks. I give it credit for being better than WW due to its attention to detail (which is something I loved about TP) but as a game it has completely failed to grip me and I've given it about 25 hours at this point.

Here is the proper order. The proper Top 10

OoT = MM > BotW > ALttP > WW > LA > ALBW > OoA > TP > MC

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>>378492657

All we have are shitty sidon x reader shit and that's all we'll ever have

>>378492741

To be fair this guy almost saved the whole game

>>378493063
>MM
>god tier
What the fuck. Only one (1) was good

>>378493291

I want to say 2 but I'm that guy that likes Great Bay.

>>378491869
I completely concur here. SS falls far short of what Zelda should be, but TP was just so unrepentantly bland and unimaginative that there was just nothing to gain out of it.

>>378493248

>detail in TP

Keep lying to yourself. You probably like that game because it's easy for retards to understand and beat within a day.

>>378493251

This one I can kinda believe

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Why is he so pure?

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>>378493291
>snowhead
>great bay
>bad

woodfall was the only weak dungeon design, and even that was leagues ahead of almost all the other 3D Zelda's

>>378493291
Woodfall was meh
Snow peak was OKAY
Great Bay was good
Stone Tower was GOAT

SS is even less of a Zelda game than BOTW

It removed the overworld completely, at least BotW still has short dungeons

>>378466515
>SS
>better pacing
wtf

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>>378493550
>>378493514

>>378493460
ALttP is probably objectively a better game than BotW, but I had more fun with BotW.

BotW biggest issues is it's side quest and rewards.

Everyone in TP was ugly as shit

>>378493460

TP had little details like a shot arrow being picked up from the ground, projectiles bouncing off your shield even if it's not up and the sheathing animation when you killed enemies. It also had fantastic dungeon gimmicks like using magnetism to walk on walls and basically being Spiderman in the clouds, on top of the hidden skills doing more for Zelda's base swordplay than most any other entry in the series. It has its flaws for sure, I will never proclaim that it's a perfect game, but it is in fact my favorite and it did have a way with the little things for the most part. I'm sorry if I like a game that you apparently don't think too highly of but you are aware that EVERY 3D Zelda after OoT has been some kind of divisive, right? As in, some hate it and others love it. I love TP, I have since its release. I get why others don't like it but it doesn't change that I do.

>>378493857
Midna and Zelda weren't

>>378460151
no

>>378493660

BotW and SS are polar opposites. SS had next to no overworld because pretty much everything was a dungeon puzzle. BotW has a great overworld but its dungeon game is weak. It really depends on which one you prefer.

>>378493460
>Keep lying to yourself. You probably like that game because it's easy for retards to understand and beat within a day.

This wouldn't surprise me. It would be similar to why HL2 had its gameplay, storytelling and immersion praised by critics, it lends itself to being an experience that encourages the player to romp through it and be impressed at the setpieces it shoves at you and rewards you for doing that, but falls apart as soon as you look for actual depth, challenge or meaningful reasons to approach it creatively.

>>378493986
But even TP had much better dungeons than SS

>>378493896

And Shad, Renado, Link, Ganondorf. Maybe Ashei, though she looked like she'd been up for a week straight. Most TP NPCs looked pretty bad, though.

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>>378460825
This man knows.

Honestly, I think every 3D Zelda is great, just in different ways. SS never gets enough credit for the fact that each environment IS a temple and finding the temple entrance is the treasure. I thought that was a really cool idea desu.

>>378493896
Ashei was pretty cute.

>>378493251
>Minish Cap in last
>below TP
fucking nasty

>>378494058

Yeah, but SS doesn't have the worst dungeons of the 3D games either. I'd definitely put it above BotW and WW in that regard.

>>378494058
>even
TP has the best dungeons in 3D Zelda

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>>378494165
>>378493251
Wait, you said top 10
Okay this is acceptable

>>378494208
Speaking of WW, it should get even more shit for empty overworld as BotW does.

>>378493880

Take that shit somewhere else this isn't therapy

>>378494262
I think that OoT's are still better.

TP's don't get really good until Arbiter's Grounds.

>>378494134

For all the shit the series gets for never seriously changing, SS was more of an experiment than people let on. It still adhered to the ALttP formula but it really did fuck with the field/dungeon dynamic, really blurred those lines and, understandably, it impacted pacing and progression in ways that might've turned people off. Granted, it wasn't really perfect otherwise either - the motion controls lost some people, Fi was an annoyance and there was a good deal of rehashed content. But it also had its good moments too. I do think it's an underrated game, not quite a great Zelda but at least a good action adventure in its own right.

>> TP had good dungeons

Now I know everyone is lying to themselves

>>378494392

Whatever man. You gave me shit, I defended my opinion. That's how this works.

>>378494545
Do you really consider SS and WW's to be better?

>>378493986
If Aonuma is smart, he'll make sure that the next Zelda has the best of both worlds.

>>378494612

Better than TP yes

>>378494445
I can respect your opinion. OoT had great dungeons. Especially the Forest, Fire and Water Temples.

Forest Temple, Goron Mines and LakeBed Temple are phenomenal though.

>>378494481
I actually loved the motion controls, for me the most unforgivable thing was filling the sky overworld with absolutely nothing outside of Skyloft.

>>378494445

I thought TP was 9 for 9 on dungeons. The worst ones were in the first third but I'd still put those above OoT's kid dungeons. Maybe not Jabu-Jabu's Belly but even that's a maybe. That said, I do consider OoT's best dungeons to be on par if not better than even TP's best. On average, though? I gotta give it to TP, I enjoyed all of them.

>>378494662
>Forest Temple, Goron Mines and LakeBed Temple are phenomenal though.
Those and the order they are done in are probably the reason why TP is considered to be somewhat of a OoT rehash.

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>>378460151
/thread

>>378493514
His personality is so different in the Japanese version, it's weird how they translated his dialogue.

>>378473427
remove zelda ii, add albw and the oracle games

>>378483767
What?

>>378460825
Honestly, BotW with SS's bosses and events would be pretty great.

>>378474925
replace oot in that list with botw

>>378494639

That's been the problem with post-Oracles Zelda in general, no game has really gotten the whole package down just right. You could maybe argue Minish Cap or A Link Between Worlds but even those can feel a bit lopsided. We haven't had an honest "whole package" Zelda since the Oracles.

>>378494151
The fishing chick was pretty cute too, what was her name?

>>378494891
>zelda 2 is a bad game maymay

>not a single 'watch it ganon' edit
Fucking memesters aren't even working tonight

>>378495018
Hena.

>>378494885

I swear its like that with revali too

>>378494846
WW and SS's main flaws are that they feel incomplete.

>>378494885
How so?

>>378494885
what's he like in japanese?

>>378494649
The only good dungeon in WW was the Wind Temple.

>>378495042
its not a meme you dip
>boring and irritating exploration
>awful unsatisfying combat
>boring aesthetics
>outside of temple theme, one of the worst zelda soundtracks
>loads of bullshit game design

>>378495217

WW definitely feels incomplete but I don't think SS does. Its direction might've been misguided but to me the game feels like the devs got everything they wanted into it. It wasn't what Zelda fans wanted but I do think SS was every bit the game it was meant to be, for better or worse. Make of that what you will in regards to the padding miniquests and rehashed bosses but even all of that felt contextualized, like the devs did it on purpose. Something like the Triforce quest or the third pearl in WW, though? They clearly were crunched for time.

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>>378495173
Yes, thanks she was qt

>>378495439
>but I don't think SS does
SS does in the empty sky overworld.

>>378460827
>Needs and HD Remake
Stop.

>>378495321

I didn't even like that one - too much item swapping, managing Makar was never any fun and a horrendously bland interior made it a slog to progress in and easier than it should've been to get turned around. Points for being the only dungeon in the game where that's even remotely an issue but I think it still had its setbacks regardless. It is the most competent dungeon of a sorry lot, that's for sure.

>>378495503

I can agree with that - they definitely needed to do more with the sky. But even then the meat of the content in the sky overworld was gratitude crystal quests which boiled down to a poor man's MM. It was something I guess, not more places to actually go in the sky but it was something.

>>378494691
I didnt play ss but I liked the motion controls for TP. does botw have motion controls?

>>378495321
Hey now, just because WW dungeons are easy doesn't mean they're not charming or fun.

>>378495998
>does botw have motion controls?
No, but it does have great combat controls

>>378495503

SS need more overworld to explore I can agree with that

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>>378495446
Definitely.

You know what Breath of the Wild fucking lacks?

FUCKING TITLE SCREEN MUSIC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2wzMZzdNJA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5n3ZO6H6s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5n3ZO6H6s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAwwQ7dTjRY


>breath of the Wild Title Screen
>silent slideshow

>>378496035

Not him but I thought they were largely devoid of character, and the Wind/Earth Temples that actually try to do something different answered that notion with fucking escort missions in mediocre dungeons instead of just being mediocre dungeons. My favorite dungeon to actually play in was Forbidden Woods, not because it's design was any more inspired but because the Deku Leaf is hands down the coolest item in the game and it makes decent use of it.

SS had the ugliest Zelda

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>>378474925
>OoT
>Good

>>378460827
>Waaaaaaaaay less obtrusive UI and HUD

You know that you can set the UI/HUD to the "pro" option right?

>>378496035
I don't know why but the Earth Temple physically disgusts me.

>>378496251
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gpeKL-BkHc

Fuck forgot one

>>378496308

That's been an issue with pretty much every 3D Zelda. If you want to talk dungeon complexity then the 3D games aren't even worth discussing. They're more memorable for their dungeon gimmicks, and in the case of the Shadow Temple it's one of the best that 3D Zelda has to offer.

>>378496308
>OoT is bad meme

Aren't you cool

>>378496251
Why did you link MM's twice and not post the best ones?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd93AD_GGis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jWRf8x1DTY

>>378460151
I don't care what order you rank them. There isn't a Zelda game that's bad aside from the CDI games. Every single one is worth playing.

Though if you have to pick one:
Ages > Seasons
Spirit Tracks > Hourglass

>>378496251
I feel bad for TP, it could never live up to the hype of those god tier trailers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RieKG7pw6g8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW1fu4DBMoU&t=8s

>>378496515
See

>>378496448

I accidentally linked MM twice.

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SS Link's clothes are cute
no homo if I fap to him

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>>378496484
>That's been an issue with pretty much every 3D Zelda.
Not the based Divine Beasts, each one can be solved in 25 different ways and each puzzle has several solutions.
Reminder that Hyrule Castle should be the gold standard for 3D Zelda dungeons going forward.

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>>378496308
>hating on the Shadow temple

>>378496543

I'd flip both of those personally (reluctantly the DS ones - ST is amazing when it's good but it's irredeemably bad when it's bad) but I do agree with your general sentiment of every Zelda being worth a play.

>>378496308
If you watch Boss Keys and unironically find it to not be complete horse shit then please stop posting on my board.

Shadow Temple has some of the best atmosphere, music, and enemies. Bongo Bongo is one of the coolest boss fights ever.

>>378496251

It lacks a good soundtrack in general. Sometimes I swear there's no music while playing at all

>>378496567
I absolutely loved the music in the first part of the second trailer. I still think TP is a good game, just not a great one .Mina is far and away best girl.

>>378496936
It's probably intentional to make the nature sounds stand out.

>>378496727
>Shadow Temple has some of the best atmosphere, music, and enemies.
That's the Spirit Temple though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEWOeiUmFgA

>>378496936
>Sometimes I swear there's no music while playing at all
Yeah because with the amount of time you spend in the overworld having something like Hyrule Field or the Great Sea playing would be old very fast.

>>378496281
I don't think they were inspiring either, but much like every other flaw in WW, the pure joy of movement and interaction and the endless Little Details overwhelmed any negative emotion I have towards that game.

E.G., stealing the Stalfos' mace and then cracking up when it uses its own arm as a nunchuck, that alone made me forget my grumbles about hauling Medli around the Earth Temple.

>>378496936

BotW sometimes doesn't use music. There's merit in the use of silence and I kind of get it with BotW - you do so much overworld exploring that an overarching theme would grate after dozens of hours. I think what it ends up doing was more tasteful, even if it's not really memorable either.

>>378496613
I don't think a final dungeon that can be entirely skipped by 2 different methods should be the gold standard.

>>378496727
>>378497058
Let's not fight, all of the OoT adult temples are amazing in their own way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmsZyC0UXUU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5blHw6C4Ax4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qAvtuEtfQU

>>378497117

I can see that. To be brutally honest, the 3D Zeldas in general are masterclass efforts in masking the simplicity of their dungeon design. You generally don't care in the moment because what you're presented with is oftentimes fun, if not ultimately rather easy. And now that I think about it, that illusion falls apart for different people with different games I suppose. For me, it's WW but I love TP even though others find it to be a mind-numbing slog much as I find WW to be. Same could probably be said of the other 3D Zeldas as well.

>>378495321
I think you mean Earth Temple.

>>378460827
You forgot that they also need to remove armless cunt. Totally pointless character that ruined the lore of the Master Sword and made Navi look quiet and polite; replace her with a fucking tambourine for the music sections.

>>378497442

I love me some Mirror Shield but Earth Temple doesn't do a whole lot creatively with it, lugging Medli around is still a thing and the Floormasters can make managing her presence more tedious. And don't get me started on that final room puzzle, looks grander than any other puzzle in the game but it's actually as complex as a connect-the-dots puzzle.

>>378497527
She can't be removed since nearly the entire ending is about Link being sad that she is gone.

Though I agree that she was really fucking annoying and this is coming from someone that doesn't have a problem with Navi.

>>378496936
im still triggered by the fact that the trailer music is exclusive to the trailer

>>378495321
Tower of the Gods, Earth Temple, and Forbidden Woods are fantastic dungeons.

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>>378497919
>TFW I unironically like Dragon Roost Cavern

>>378497919

Tower of the Gods would be great if it weren't for the really slow first half with the forced water raising. If that were managed by switches rather than forced timed intervals it'd easily be the best dungeon in the game as it's pretty decent otherwise. But nothing dampens the mood of a block puzzle quite like waiting for water to recede.

>>378498020
Dragon Roost is alright, same as Wind Temple. Honestly the Dungeons in Wind Waker range from Really Good to Great in my opinion, none of them are truly bad.

>>378498153

Really? I think they're pretty underwhelming across the board. Competent, but never full-blown exciting. I'm a dungeon guy but I'd rather sail and chart the seas than play any of WW's dungeons.

>>378498113
God, I had forgotten about having to steer King of Red Lions with no wind. That was horrible

>>378498368
I would agree that none of them are really amazing in comparison to the whole series, but none of them were bad at all.

Let's settle this, which one is the best dungeon in the series?

For me it's OoT's Forest Temple.

>>378499775
Eagle's Tower from LA.

>>378499775

For me it's Shadow Temple, followed closely by Arbiter's Grounds. Forest Temple is definitely top 5, though.

>>378460151
Didn't know it was opposite day.

>>378499775
Stone Tower Temple from Majora's Mask, no fucking contest.

>>378500479
/thread

>>378499775
Forest Temple and Stone Tower are some of the best in the series. Snow peak is great, and Hyrule Caslte from BotW is up there too, if you want to count that.

>>378499775
Spectacle Rock in Zelda 1.

>>378495386
>implying
>implying
>implying
outside the dungeon themes yes
>implying

>>378499775
It used to be Fire Temple because my 8 year old self was an edgelord that loved everything that had to do with fire and dragons. Also, it had way higher stakes than all other temples since you had to save every Gorons from getting eaten

Now, I'd say it's Arbiter Grounds or Stone Tower if we include temple + everything leading up to getting there.

>>378460151
OOT > WW > SS > MM > TP > BOTW

>>378501538
The rooms before Stallord where you used the Spinner are 100% ludo.

>>378501556
What the fuck is this shit

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>>378501556
BOTW > WW > TP > OOT
i havent played MM

>>378501556
heh, nice meme kid

>>378501686
His opinion.

I don't agree with it personally, But chill out.

>>378461208
I considered TP to be my favorite Zelda. Was in the middle of replaying it on Wii U when BotW came out. Went back to it after finishing BotW and I just couldn't.....

I love BotW but fuck it for ruining ever prior zelda for me

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>>378501892
>i havent played MM
You really should

>>378502026

Supposedly a lot of BotW's ideas were ones that Aonuma have had as far back as TP's development cycle. Don't think he specified which ones but he himself likened BotW to TP in some respects. I personally only see it tangentially but hey, I'm not the face of the dev team so what do I know.

>>378502451
Where's the top right shot from, Ikana Castle?

>>378502451
how's the 3ds version compare to the original? if im gonna play it i wanna play the definitive version
also i just realized i left out SS, just put it behind OOT

>>378502026
I think for me, the mostly underwhelming side quest are what really hold BotW back from being truly masterful. It's still great but doesn't hit that really high level.

>>378502730
Yes, right before the fight with the king.

>>378460151
Is there any dip in quality between the WiiU version and the Switch version of BotW?

>>378502783
Let's be honest here, Tarrey Town is top 5 Zelda side quests.

>>378460151
To be honest the only reason I liked skyward sword was because of the fact that it looked like Zelda had feelings for link it was like Nintendo acknowledged my head cannon

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>>378502989
Nothing wrong with that, their relationship is definitely one of the highlights of the game.

>>378503132
Post more SS Zelda.

I'm usually bad at ice/snow temples

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>>378502761
>how's the 3ds version compare to the original

Aonuma decided the player was retarded and made things easier all over compared to the N64.

Do BotW Link and Zelda bang each other or they are just in business relationship?

>>378499775
Ganon's Tower from LttP

>>378502897
You're not wrong. It was a good quest. However, too many have to collecting something of some item and returning it for 50-300 Rupees.

Why even do them, if I can explore, gather ore and make 5K Rupees in close to the same amount of time it takes to do the side quest?