ITT: Cancer ruining video games

OP

>>378442231
Agreed.

>>378442231
I don't even know what that is

>>378442231
its normalfag casuals

they like the progression and the anticipation of the possibility of maybe getting some rare 1's and 0's

>>378442231
Explain how this has ruined the gameplay in any way whatsoever.

>>378442231
I have a solution, don't buy it.

>>378442231
That's the best thing ever, i have more fun opening them then playing the actual game

>>378442231
Exploding crates?

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>>378442365
It's the Kaaba.

>>378442864
The biggest problem I have with Overwatch is how blatantly catering it is to ADHD kids. Every single thing you do in the game warrants some flashy pop up notifications and reinforcing how good of a goy you are for playing the game normally.

>>378442231
>100% cosmetic items that do nothing

OH NO, PEOPLE PAID MORE TO LOOK SHINY

>>378442231
At least you don't need a key to open it.

>>378442752
The gameplay is a treadmill, it is designed to incentivize the purchase of lootboxes rather than designed to be a well-balanced, engaging and deep game.

Look at literally any mobile game with mirotransactions, its a simple loop to keep players chasing the carrot on the stick. Why is it so fucking hard for the millions of people playing this garbage to realize they're literally playing mobile games on consoles now?

>>378443051
its less about people looking shiny more of they would prefer to get more shiny instead of more content

>>378442231
it's okay as long as you don't buy them and whatever the contents are, you can't trade or sell them for real money

>>378443227
But anon, nothing in the lootboxes gives you an advantage over your opponents.

>>378442231
I normally hate loot boxes and the very concept of them, but Blizzard's style isn't bad. You get a steady stream just by playing and the random nature is kinda fun. They also don't require money.

On the flip side, noone seems to give Valve enough shit. All of their boxes require money to open and are useless otherwise. They aren't a steady stream. The entire system is gambling and encourages a sketchy as fuck aftermarket.

>>378443051
But that's not the problem. The problem is the game is designed to sell lootboxes, not to be a good game. Instead of getting game modes and gameplay balanced and designed around actually being strategic, you get gameplay designed to incentivize the purchase of lootboxes, like a mobile game.

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>>378442231
Looks like Someone's a little bit mad because they spent $50+ and didn't get there favorite waifu's skin.

>>378443227
Bullshit.
This perception only exists in the mind of casual monkeys who are used to playing games purely for progression and that has no effect on reasonable people who play the game for fun.

>>378442946
I bet there is even better loot there than the fucking overwatch boxes
>3 grays and 1 blue in the last 10 boxes

>>378443404
>>378442231
>>378442352
>>378442614
>>378443227
>ITT: triggered quake hipsters

>>378442231
>Completely optional and nongameplay affecting cosmetics
Oh my god the horror.

>>378442864
That's exactly why it's cancer you fucking retard. It has literally fucking nothing to do with video games. It's a blatant gambling shit with real money. Why haven't anyone sued those fuckers.

>>378442946
What's inside that thing?

>>378442231
F2P shit, paid online, indieshit, early access, kikestarter,censorship, politics in vidya and western games in general.

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>>378442231
i wouldnt consider this cancer. if it allows the game to get free updates, maps, characters, etc. i think its a great trade off.

fuck off faggot op.

>>378443648
this

>>378443637
The game is completely optional, fagtron. People pay to not play the fucking game, just to get some more retarded pixels.

>>378442231
Storyfags and graphicwhores.
Oh, and Overwatch players. How people still haven't caught on to blizzards treadmill game design scheme is beyond me. With every IP they have, it's the same autistic shitshow.

>>378443804
Lol

>>378443324
That' has nothing to do with what I said.

You can work within the system to get around paying real money, but the system itself is flawed and inherently designed not to be "good" but to push those lootboxes. Sure, you can earn some of the skins by playing, but the act of playing is colored by the fact that the lootboxes exist, the gameplay is there to push the lootboxes, not because its good. You can ignore the lootboxes but they're still there and they're still affecting game design.
>>378443015
This guy has another good point that supports what I'm saying, almost everything about the game is designed to appeal to these people who will spend real money on stuff. It's about that instant gratification, hooking those people who love those pats in the back and collecting things.

>>378443229
>>378443404
The only reason you guys are getting free content is because of the lootboxes

Game development costs money

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>>378442946
Woah there

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>>378443686

>>378442752

People play exclusively to unlock crates, so you tell me how having a team of people only caring about the next crate doesn't affect gameplay.

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>/v/ hates Overwatch's 100% cosmetic boxes
>completely OK with TF2's weapon shop that completely change how the game is played and are required for all characters

>>378443960
>big anniversary patch
>its just skins and fun dancing
i wouldn't mind if they actually made some more actual maps instead of the arena ones
or they could make the game fun

>>378444043
Wins bring more exp so they try to win which is fine by me.

>>378442231

ITT babies that paid for boxes and got buttmad they didn't got the skin they wanted

Literally only faggots care about this shit when it's only cosmetic. I played this game for 500 hours and never spent a single cent. I don't have the skin I want and like but who fucking cares.

>>378443804
>The game is completely optional, fagtron

>cancerous game attracts all the mouth breathers, becomes popular and sells well
>becomes the benchmark for new games
>cancer trickles down to rest of industry

>>378443457
But those are the people giing Blizzard money, so why would Blizzard do anything ubut cater to that?

Again, sure, you can ignore the lootboxes in games like these, but that doesn't change the fact that the games are designed and balanced around them being there and are incentivizing their purchase.

The game exists to sell lootboxes, not to be a well-balanced competitive shooter. Its already doing exactly what Blizzard wanted it to do, they wanted a new revenue stream.

>>378443809
>How people still haven't caught on to blizzards treadmill game design scheme is beyond me
See, this guy gets it. Blizzard's last three major games are all riddled with micropurchases and Blizzard is making hundreds of millions. These games exist to make money through micro-purchases.

>>378443960
I don't want free fucking content
I want to buy a game and then have the finished game and play it with no further changes
why is that such a no-no in current year

>>378444119
>completely changed how the game was played
Why are you lying? Didn't your mother teach you better than that?

>>378444168
This. And it's Blizzard. The events wil return soonet or later and until then you have enough ingame money to buy whatever you want.
But be glad that there are cucks that pay 50$ or more per event. Those are the people ensuring that all the new content is always free. Sombra would've been paid DLC if it wasn't for dumb fucks like them. They're useful idiots

>>378444162
They just got done making a hero, so most likely another big map is up next

they really just need to release map tools and have people make maps for them

>>378444251
>game adding on content = game not being complete

>>378442231
>Overmeme boxes
>ruining video games
>Valve manstore boxes
>Totally fine

>>378444373
>game adding on content = game not being complete
go ahead and point to where I said that, I'll wait

>>378443960
>The only reason you guys are getting free content is because of the lootboxes
Overwatch made $565 million in 2016.

That's the mindset publishers want you to have, they never outright say
>Money from DLC/micro-purchses funds further content development
They just vaguely imply it's a possible reality so customers are more willing to accept micro-purchases.

>>378442231
>shitty cosmetic items are ruining a game for you
Lmao.

>>378444176
Whats your point?

>>378444245
Overwatch isn't balanced (at all haha) around lootboxes because boxes have no ingame effect. You gain exp by playing the game and by doing good. That's not affecting mechanics or balance in any way and encourages people to play good and much. What's the problem with that?
And if idiots want to waste their money then so be it. It has no game play effect

i have every skin from every event just by playing the game

>>378444480
>Cosmetic treadmills are ruining core game design
ftfy

>>378444119
Pcbros are the worst. I hate Blizzard but the lootbox model is the best.

>>378442231
i swear the drop rates in these are trash.

>>378442231
Everyone realized that you can make tons of money by adding gambling to your games. Just look at games like FGO or FEH.

>>378443508
>still no ISIS D.Va skin

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>>378442231
sigh.. when will you grou up?

>>378444570
Congratulations on either having no job and no social life or commitments whatsoever, or getting outlandishly lucky. Or both. Probably both.

>>378444176
Damn this some real bogeyman shit right here

>>378443398
Overwatch is a FULLY priced game with a shitty f2p gambling system that's even banned in China because of how shitty it is.
I don't defend Valve, but their game is free(dota 2) and you can actually sell and trade the shit you get from boxes there, the items have value. And you can even buy the item you want from the market without having to gamble.

While in Overwatch they're bound to you and you can't trade/sell them at all because Blizzard want you to spend a lot of cash getting that 1 skin when they release an event.

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>>378442231
This, literaly should be outlawed as its designed to atract kids and make them gamble, no amout of "muh virtual currency" and "muh virtual objects" will change that, I still can't begin to hunderstand how this shit is still happening; at the very least force a mandatory ID/ social security number check before being able to play thoose games.

>>378444251
because people want new content for games they like

>>378444564
>Overwatch isn't balanced (at all haha) around lootboxes because boxes have no ingame effect
You're still missing the point. It's not about whether they have an in-game effect, the game itself, at its fundamental core level, is designed to incentivize their purchase.

Not by affecting in-game performance, but by creating a "treadmill" akin to what most mobile games use to hook that small percentage of players who will get obsessed and pay real money for the cosmetics.

>>378442365
it's the Internet.

>>378443960
But in over 1year all we've gotten is 3heroes and 2map. And they've made like 5-6 events with A LOT and lot of works on the cosmetic stuff.
So even tho they make millions and millions of dollars they don't give anything back to the players in term of content, it's just like WoW.

>>378444910
>2006-7
What happened to 2006-6 2006-5 2006-4 etc.

>>378444329
>all the new load out changed nothing
TF2 autists are the worst

>>378444119
Well honestly for most classes the vanilla loadout is the best one.

>>378444578
you don't need cosmetics, m8.

>>378444782
>Simple market trends are a magic boogeyman

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>>378443624
Nigger, not even Quake is safe for loot crates.

>>378445137
i played that shitty beta it wasn't quake

>>378443443
it's a good thing this event barely has any good skins in that case

>>378444984
But that doesn't matter when the treadmill itself is entertaining enough. When you can enjoy the game and have no downside by ignoring lootboxes then they are not harmful.

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>>378444119
No one's completely okay with TF2's market and loot system, but at the very least there's an actual fucking market for it that gives it meaning and value within its own context. Even if it kind of shat all over the core game itself.

It's actually mind-baffling that because Valve could utilize Steam as a direct method of managing their stupid market economy for a single game, it blew up into a massive thing altogether while everyone else is still doing the basic lootbox methods.

>>378443686
a rock containing all evil

>>378444329
The launch day spy update was a pretty big game changer

I remember spies fighting people head on with the ambassador and dead ringer which is something that was really difficult to do without those items

dead ringer was especially broken that's why they gutted it

>>378444119
The weapons are all sidegrades, usually worse than the starter weapons, and can be earned for free through normal gameplay. The more "essential" weapons(sandwich, jarate, wrangler, etc) are also usually the ones you get from completing class achievements.

I wouldn't even hate it if they did it better.
>Only way to get loot box is to level up or arcade (and you can only get 3 a week)
>Awful drop rapes (Loot boxes mainly consist of 3 whites and 1 blue)
>Duplicates
>Rare and fucking epic Gold
I would have no problem if they gave you a choice to just buy the skin you want outright with real money rather than buying loot boxes until you got lucky or use all that fucking gold I have to buy loot boxes.

>>378445053

Achievement Items, you get them by making some easy feats. Trading, most do 2:1, back in the day many did 1:1. Crafting, there are specific recipes for each of those "game changing" weapons.

Now the ugly part, Mann Co. Store, pay some money for the weapons, Steam Market, same thing but the weapons come with a cosmetic change ot kill counters.

>>378443686

a vagina rock

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Wow tokens
No watch the wow defense-force get emotional while they scramble to defend their P2W game.

>>378445191
You dont know what quake is.

>>378445630
As someone who had a brother addicted to WoW for years until Cataclysm but never really bothered myself, what sort of insanely stupid shit do WoW Tokens do?

>>378445306
It was even better with the broken ambassador letting you just aim in the general direction of people to hit them

>having to pay extra for cosmetics and cheats
I fucking hate this. Its better than P2W after paying for a game but its so sickening they now milk everything that isnt core to the game.

>>378442231

selling a game with full price + also selling lootboxes in game should count as a mortal sin

>>378443809
How autistic are you that you cant see why people enjoy something like that?

>>378445630
I love WoW and always have but the market is one of the worst things to ever happen to the game, from literally buying in-game currency and levels to mounts and pets blatantly higher quality than ones earned by hard legit grindan

>>378445719
You pay real money to get in game money.
So everyone is now obsessed with farming in wow.
It's also done a pretty good job of fucking the in game economy.

>>378442231
Why are they called loot boxes if you're going to pay for them? Might as well be called giftboxes.

Overwatch is shit, everything is basically designed to remind you you're not special if you don't have that epic play of the game animation with your cool skin.

>>378442231
>there are like 4 games that people farm lootcrates in seriously
>this is somehow ruining video games

>>378443960

its not free to play though you fucking faggot.

>>378443227
>The gameplay is a treadmill, it is designed to incentivize the purchase of lootboxes rather than designed to be a well-balanced, engaging and deep game.

Alright. Let's hear the big theory about how the gameplay incentivizes the purchase of 100% cosmetic items that don't affect gameplay. I'll wait.

>>378442231
Never played Overwatch. What does the Loot box do/give? Only cosmetic items or something that can truly affect your performance like in the cancerous gacha mobages?

>>378443686
A rock in the shape of a vagina

All mudslimes kiss it

>>378445658
neither do you, apparently

>>378445719
Last I heard, they are something you can buy with real money and they give you 30 days of game time. They can be bought/sold on the auction house for gold.

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>Modern Warfare Remastered is already tethered to an overly-expensive special edition of their newest and not-all-that-notable CoD game to save Infinity Ward's declining sales
>they add in Supply Drops a couple months later for microtransactions and weapon skins
>now they're reselling the DLC map packs of the original that they intentionally excluded from this release at launch, which were $10 for consoles and free for PC, at $15

>>378444167
>try to win
No, they WANT to win. Most don't try.
Loot Boxes on top of forced Ranking "Competitive" shit brings the worst people out of the woodwork to make the game experience miserable.

>>378445902
How insecure are you?
Just record you own play if it means so much to you

>>378445719
It allows people who are rich in real life to spend money to be rich in game.
You buy the token (Which is used gives a month's suc) and then sell the token in game.
So basically if you're rich, you just buy whatever you want. If you're poor, you can spend 7-20 hours farming gold for a $15 sub.

>>378445902
I remember when in TF2 no one gave a shit about being a special snowflake. Then hats came along and everything went to hell.

You can blame Valve for all this lootbox shitt.

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>>378443686
Nothing.

>>378446005

Anyone who think Quake Champion is 'not quake' is someone trying to sound hardcore.
You really don't know what Quake is.

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>>378442231
You can be as mad as you want but Overwatch is literally a skinner box training you to play the game more and buy more loot boxes.
This is objective non debatable fact.
Overwatch is a skinner box before it is a game.

>>378446118
It has nothing to do with being insecure you stupid fuck. It's annoying and really obvious they're just trying to sell you extra1's and 0's

>>378443686
Same as overwatch lootboxes >>378446201

>>378446110
>forced ranking
I didn't play a single placement match last season. Will they sue me now?
Also the community is shit because it's large. Nit because of lootboxes.

>>378443324
It's a part of the game hidden behind paying money. How could you support this without working for the company itself?

>>378444119
At least TF2 has different weapons period.
Playing one character in Overwatch is the same shit every time.

>>378443686
A black rock that is said to be placed there by prophet Mohammad and existed during the time of adam and eve. Muslims go on a pilgramage there to pray to the rock and to try and kiss it.

>>378446164

If no one wanted to be "special" there wouldn't be customizable names, avatars, points, charts, leaderboards, MVP boards.

You would be "Player (12)" .

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There's nothing wrong .
There's just an absurd LACK OF LOOT
I want achievement clothes, armorx hats, medals etc.
I hate that I'm in plat and get no reward yet I see silver trash with gold guns.

>>378446263
For you maybe. I never had the impression.

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MMR and matchmaking.

>Be top500
>Playing QM solo
>Game forces gold and plat shitters on my team against full GM premades

Thanks, nigger devs.

>>378446164
Everything didn't go straight to hell until the Free to Play update that coincided with Mac players. The amount of shitflinging became so excessive I had to back out of the game and rarely look back. Those who had bought the game got a fucking hat of all things, and Mac players got the earbuds that sent all the hat-obsessed lunatics into a nuclear meltdown that had them banning players, harassing them, and so forth just for some fucking earbuds.

Yes I know that a lot of the new players were also shit like M1 pyros in galore,
but still.

>>378446241
It's more like Team Fortress Mod for Quake to be honest

>>378445890
>Might as well be called giftboxes
gifts are free
these are just overpriced DLC crates

>>378446462
0.02 cents have been deposited into your account!

>>378446571
Out of arguments already?

>>378443051
I have nothing against paid cosmetics in F2P games like League of Legends. Overwatch is not a F2P game, and therefore it should not have lootboxes.

Overwatch gameplay is really shallow and along with cringy characters and a skinner box conveyor belt it's easily the most cancerous game to exist in a while.

my god moba and blizzard fans are like conditioned rhesus minkeys with their lootcrates.

>>378446667
You never had an argument to begin with blizzcuck.

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>>378446001
>>378446434
The rock is outside.

>>378446241
The primary mode in Quake Champions is not an arena shooter, which is defined by everyone starting identical. "Heroes" having different stats and abilities make it not an arena shooter. There will be a classic mutator without hero differences but that's obviously just a miniscule attempt to appease people like me.

>>378446110
>No, they WANT to win. Most don't try
The fuck kind of argument is this? How can you want to win while simultaneously not trying to win? You're literally bitching about cosmetics (earned with either experience points from victories or money) that have no impact on the game, beyond the fact that shitters play to win for the cosmetics, instead of for the sake of winning itself.

Newsflash, online gamers are all shitters, the cosmetics don't affect that one bit.

>>378446881
>out of arguments
>call him a shill, then a cuck
Ticking the boxes. Autist might be next. Maybe drone.

>>378446447
Imo all of that stuff is fine. It's the cosmetics and hats that set the trend for lootboxes and jews.

Anyone have that image of
>TF2 then
>TF2 now

It's a perfect microcosm of everything wrong with TF2.

I lost my faith in modern games when they started to resemble pachinko parlors more than challenging games. It's all about the PIG as the customer. It's all about getting every last dime they can out of you, nothing else matters. And it is never going back to what it was.

Time to give up and buy a kayak, or a bicycle or something. Unless you just enjoy being fleeced.

>>378444857
>even banned in China because of how shitty it is.
It's not banned due to the quality or lack of same. It's banned because China has strict gambling laws.

>>378447025
See you tomorrow
(n_n)/

>>378446459
Gold weapons come from playing more ranked matches, not loot boxes. If you want a gold gun, play more matches. It's what those silver players are doing, apparently.

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>>378446903
>they worship a literal fucking rock

you learn something new everyday

>>378447053
actually its banned because China needs access to servers to monitor conversations

>>378447025
Multiplayer games will never exist without this shit again.

>>378447212
Ah alright, I was just using common sense initially, but that sounds plausible too.

>>378444570
and only THE game, fk any other video game ever.

im so glad I never got into multiplayer games

>>378447053
You do realize companies makea HUGE killing from gachapon in China right? OW is banned due to communism/totalitarianism, not gacha.

Microsoft and Google deal with the same thing over there.

>>378446083
>and yet people buy it
why

>>378446083
If you are surprised by this you're a fucking idiot

You should have seen the scum coming the minute they made it exclusive to an 80 dollar bundle

>>378447362
this

Single player is where maximum comfiness is at

>>378442231
Complain moar poorfag

>>378447510
>moar

Cringe

>>378447486
>>378447362
>i can't handle losing online

>>378447486
>not playing both

>>378446916
When was that set as the genre?

Having different abilities on the characters doesn't invalidate it from being an arena shooter.

>>378447486
>>378447362
>implying co-op isn't the patrician choice

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>>378442231
There are two types of games nowadays:

1- games that are like sex. The act of playing the game and the reward are the same. You can't say "i had a great night of sex but the sex wasn't rewarding". Playing the IS the reward. There is no need for a parallel reward system to keep players hooked. Ex.: CS 1.6

2-games that are like jobs. Playing the game is separated from the reward part. The gameplay might not be fulfilling, but the reward afterwards keeps you playing it. It's like a boring job you have to attend to every day but at the end of the week you get paid so it feels good. Ex. Overwatch

How to find out if the game you are playing:
Take out all the elements that are not directly part of the gameplay. Achievements, skins, voices, and all cosmetics, all out-of-game progression. Do you still feel compelled to play it. Would you still play overwatch if it had no collectibles, no level progression, no new portraits, no ranking, only the game, you win or lose, that's it?

>>378442231
those are the only reason I still play some games

>>378443686
The original skins and emotes created by Allah

>>378447609
Can you handle challenging single player games as well as multiplayer or do you consider game overs and the like to be artificial difficulty?

>>378447773
>implying games can't be both
The lootbox is just icing on the cake.
The problem is that you assume everyone only plays for the lootboxes.

>>378443686
at least 1 rare item

>>378447469
I was one of the people that were calling it from day one when I realized that they didn't have all the maps in there and it just so happened to be DLC maps missing. But I have to admit I wasn't expecting the supply drops, if only because MW1 was so simple that adding in skins never crossed my mind.

>>378447609
games are my relaxing time from people, why would I want to bother with hordes of frustrated angry kids that behave shittily in my free time

>>378443686
the 4 star dragon ball

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>>378442231
>Then
>Some fag running around with the golden oh-god-my-eyes rapist revolver of wanton destruction
Wow he must be really good at this game/he's played this game for a really long time!
>Now
>Some fag running around with the golden oh-god-my-eyes rapist revolver of wanton destruction
Wow he got really lucky/he bought it.

>>378448031
>i'm insecure about losing to younger kids

>>378448236
You can't get golden weapons in Overwatch with cash money though. You can only earn them through playing. And you earn them faster by being better.

>>378448031
>not muting everyone and griefing the enemy team for fun

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>>378442231
>tfw blizzard was the first to incorporate the gacha formula and now gachashit is starting to invade the west
its an abstract kind of hell

>>378444432
>go ahead and point to where i said that
ok
>I want to buy a game and then have the finished game and play it with no further changes
why is that such a no-no in current year
you already bought the finished game you autist everything is a free add on and there's nothing wrong with that

>>378448236
You can't buy them or get them froma lootbox

>>378448031
This. I don't give a fuck about competitive aspect of games, or at least I don't when it involves random strangers. I play vidya to relax without having to interact with others, if I want to have meaningful and competitive interaction with people I meet with friends and we play board games.

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>>378448804
>I don't give a fuck about competitive aspect of games, or at least I don't when it involves random strangers

>wahhhh I'm bad at competitive multiplayer games so I refuse to play them

>>378444119
Even though the vanilla set of weapons is the best for every class, there's not much to defend here.
People didn't complain much because every time there were weapon updates, getting it from a drop or crafting it from scrap/other weapons was easy as fuck

>>378447926
Different people can play the same game as a job or as sex.
I started playing HS for the fun of playing it, but after some time I realized I was only clearing up quests and playing the easiest, fastest and most cancer decks to finish the ordeal quickly. It became a job and I just quit.
Most games begin as sex but the job part keeps a lot of people playing after they become shit.
HoTs was shit from the start and they knew the game itself wouldn't pass the smell test, no wonder the 2.0 was a loot box revamp.

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>>378448804
this

>>378447208
>I expect clarity from religion

doing it wrong m8

>>378443686
The Master Sword

>>378443404

I wish you could sell avatars/skins/etc that you don't want for extra credits to purchase what you do want, but like you said, the point of the game is to sell loot boxes.

>>378442231

cosmetic items are irrelevant and don't ruin games or the experience you have with them.

The reason why they exist it is because current generation of players are all fucking autistic and need extra incentive to keep playing a game.

Unlock stuff is a good incentive.
In the past, being good was enough motivation for someone playing unreal tournament or quake 3

Now-a-days, new gamers need stuff to encourage them to invest more time in a game.
Having shit unlocked as you play more is a way to maintain interest for this new era of gamers.

With that said, unlike cod, cosmetic shit in overwatch is harmless.
It would be worst if the heroes were unlocked too like what happen with mobas

>>378443229
you play for the content you have not content you might get

>>378445197
Genji skin is the only 10/10 i must spend 3000 gold on it right now skin

>>378448971
Sounds to me you've got a gaming-addiction issue.

>>378444251
it isn't buy those games instead, don't bitch about buying a game and it getting new content and changes when you knew that was going to happen going in.

>>378448236
Partially true, Golden gun is earned by playing a lot of ranked games meaning you have a decent amount of experience with the game.

However the downside is you can purchase a golden gun for any hero, meaning you can purchase it on a hero you suck with.

>>378445091
don't need to play the game either

>>378442946
Just imagine dropping a bomb on that.

>>378443686
Butcherlisk skin

>people buying these hours on end
>only to have a purple fucking knife in CS which noone can actually see besides them
>streamers spending hours upon hours opening these and they get thousands of views
>people even buy them this shit so they can watch them open it

I will never understand this shit. I'm fucking 29 and I feel old as fuck.

>>378448804
I used to think like you, but now everything I do has a competitive aspect, either against other people or against myself or the game. The only time to relax is sleep, or when I'm dead.

Pleb.

>>378444984
Thing the reason you play in the first is to have fun
you know fun? the reason you would buy the game in the first place, skins are just a bonus to had a sense of progression
i have almost every skin because i play the game and i haven't spent a single dollar besides the $20 i spent to buy the game
if you're too retarded and lack the self control to not waste your money why is that my problem?

>>378446121
except there's a limit on the number of tokens you can buy and even hitting that will get you no where near in-game rich

>>378447208
They don't worship the stone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone

>>378443686
Allah's playboy collection

>>378442231
Women.

tfw the industry is moving away from complete single player or co-op experiences. Fucking microsoft is going to be only doing this "service" shit from now on

you can thank valve for loot crate cancer. they sure are the "good guys" arent they?

EA
Early Access
coincidence?

>>378449272
Lucios Jazzy skin is pretty tight too, if only for the music remix

>>378449826
>>378447208
100% HSV-1 fuck yeah

>>378443508
They lowered the RNG ever since the christmas event because people were getting too much good stuff, now buying loot boxes is even less worth it than it already was.

>>378442231
>Friends invite me to lan center for a few hours gaming
>Play Overwatch because free weekend, OPEN YOUR FREE LOOT BOX
>Play BF1, buy loot boxes during waiting for match
>Play Infinite Warfare, buy them supply drops!
>Play For Honor, fucking steel packs?

We didn't have fun playing any of these games except For Honor. I can see the craftmanship in creating these new games but damn they're soulless. Most fun we had was playing fucking Flatout 2 Derby and Call of Juarez outlaw vs lawmen multiplayer. It was good old fashioned fun.

>>378448643
Valve was probably the first, or at least the company that made it big here in the west. Korean MMO's has always had those loot boxes.

Difference between Valves and Blizzard system tho is that Valves item from loot boxes actually got value, if you get a rare Dota skin or knife you can actually sell if for real money, and you can buy the skins without having to gamble.
Blizzard is pure greed and locks the item to you.

>>378449736
Gambling is forbidden ir age restricted in many countries for a reason. I can imagine especially young people being susceptible to it. It's foul work and should be banned but the Internet and especially video games are still space magic to older politicians.

>>378442231
Waifus and waifufags

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>yfw bannerlord has loot boxes in multiplayer

>>378442231

>was gifted the game
>kinda fun, actually thought about buying some loot boxes since i didn't have to spend any actual money on it
>boxes are a buck each, only contain 4 items with only a tiny chance of getting something worthwhile, and duplicate items only give you like 10 coins when the stuff you actually want cost around 1000 coins to buy

Jesus Christ. I was willing to give these pieces of shit dosh and they're doing everything they can to make it an incredibly unappealing option.

How can whales justify such a poor value?

>>378450086
Why can't Blizzard have a system like Valve?
Oh wait, jew.

>>378450206
I remember watching Phantomlord opening these for hours upon hours like a fucking maniac and saying to myself: "fuck, that guy has a problem."

I wonder if he's still in prison.

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>>378450304
Fuck you

>>378442231
OP gets mad every time he opens a box and doesn't get what he wants.
Every. Single. Time.
How fucking dumb do you have to be?

>>378450348
It's hard to believe a company can be more Jewish than Valve...but Blizzard even mange to do that.

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>>378445197
>Jazzy Lucio
>Hot Rod D.Va
>That Genji skin
>Beekeeper Mei
Nah there's some good ones.

>>378450585
activision and what they did with modern warfare remastered still takes the cake

>>378442231
>early access
>pre-orders
>day 1 dlc
>survival
>crafting
>open-world
>zombies
there

>>378442365
Main gameplay mechanic present in almost all games since 2016.

>>378442231
The internet.

Before that companies had to make games that were solid, that worked, and were complete. They couldn't release the pathetic excuses they do now, get their money (and preorder/day 1 dlc/season's pass) and then shit out a patch later on to fix what they knew was wrong in the first place. They couldn't carve out chunks of the game and sell it to you a little at a time. They couldn't keep you endlessly chasing meaningless cosmetic items as a substitute to making you want to play the game because it was good. They couldn't force you to buy multiple copies by denying split screen capabilities.

The internet ruined video games.

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>>378442946

>>378450824
>rogue like
>rogue lite

>>378446251
I tend to play it just to play the retarded Arcade matches, but then again I got the game as a gift and haven't spent a dollar on loot boxes. Maybe I'm doing it wrong.

>>378443686

Aldrich, until he returned to Irithyll.

>>378450824
hmmm sounds like Zelda BotW

>>378450934
Kek

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>>378450934
thanks for making my day better anon

>>378450934
>3 whites and a blue

>>378450757
>>Hot Rod D.Va
>good
maybe if you like women with too much makeup

>>378450086
Valve's is completely different though, being able to buy what you want makes all the difference, let alone trade with others. Loot boxes and buying card packs in hearthstone are the exact equivalent of gachashit, you have to keep buying until you RNG what you want. I expect this trend to fully continue in western games now.

>>378450934
Is that candies?
I don't understand I am so hungry now

>>378451767
Those were originally muslims but now think of them as Blizzard fans

>>378447926
Or, you know, all the things in the lootboxes could be unlocked from the start, like in most fighting games. Or maybe you get one unlock for every match you win with that character, which would give the same experience without restricting people from part of the game that they paid full price for.

>player icons
>voice lines
>POTG intro
>end of game pose
>sprays!
No one cares, just give people skins

>>378451852
>like in most fighting games
Name one modern fighting game where everything is unlocked from the start

>>378446308
underrated

>>378451574
>>378451852
Funny how the people that bitch the loudest and most often about this shit don't even play the games.

Go get a job instead of crying about nonsense, fucking communists.

>>378442231
>using the least intrusive version of myself as an example
literally just skins, that don't even matter because you can't even see them
now if it was something like rainbow six where you have to buy a character by buying in game currency with real currency or by grinding while others can play it whenever they want because they dropped more money, I can understand your anger but not cosmetics that can be earned in game without paying a single dollar and blizz puts 0uy actual content month
call me a shill all you want but it's the lesser of two evils and since companies aren't dropping this system ever, this is the best possible choice. things will never go back the way they were, op.

>>378451956
Vanguard Princess

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>>378451906

Not a chance, goy. You're going to love those 2 gray/2 blue lootboxes and you'll give us more money to get even more of them.

>>378452123
>Paid DLC characters
Nope

PC gamers with lowspec PCs

/thread

>>378444245
>but that doesn't change the fact that the games are designed and balanced around them being there and are incentivizing their purchase.
True. This is changed by the fact that lootboxes drop only cosmetics and there is literally no gameplay incentive for you to buy them.
The only people who would ever pay for that shit are impulsive dumbshits who can't stand not having the shiny thing.
Everyone else can freely ignore them and suffer no drawbacks whatsoever.

>>378452042
microtransactions*

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>>378452016
As someone who plays both jap gachashit and played hearthstone/overwatch, I'm just trying to warn others of a rocky future. But I guess to you, people that whine can't possibly have played the games.

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>>378446083
>people found a loophole in Infinite Warfare to get every single supply drop item over christmas
>Activision had Infinity Ward take every single asset texture and turn it into a weapon skin to bloat the supply drop pool and keep people buying CoD money over the course of a long weekend
>Infinite Warfare was such a disappointment Activision actually told Treyarch to set aside devs working on the next Call of Duty to exclusively created supply drop items every month for Black Ops 3

Infinite Warfare is such a delightful example of Activision thinking nobody would pay attention to the B Team since they also released MWR. God it's been a delightful train wreck to watch.

>>378452168
The entire game is freeware. It's available for free on freem.com, where I personally downloaded it for free.

>>378452378
>warn about something that's already here

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>>378448643
>Get daily "First one's always free" gacha boxes
>People want more
>Spend money on said gacha boxes to get what they want
>Get bored of the game 30 minutes later because they reached said goal
I can't fucking wait for something like the Granblue Scandal to happen to one of these games so this shit gets regulated more as rarity and item rates are posted.

>>378451464
>he doesn't like sexy pinup DVA

Have sex

>>378443931
No its a game designed to support itself through means that doesn't hold back actual gameplay.
Have you noticed all maps, modes, and heroes are free? Thank loot boxes for that

>>378446083
>now they're reselling the DLC map packs of the original that they intentionally excluded from this release at launch, which were $10 for consoles and free for PC, at $15
I actually thought about buying the remaster at one point and I'm so glad I didn't

The only reason i log in every event and play a bumch of matches is to unlock stuff. I like it. I dont get why poeple are mad at cosmtics or not having them frim the get-go. Its perfectly normal to have something like this.

>old games used to have you unlock skins and shit through cool and often hard challenges
>now you just have to play and get drip fed useless garbage that has the smallest chance of giving you what you want, or you could just cough up a few bucks
when will this end? Compare Modern Warfare 2 to Overwatch, one is bursting with content and cool shit to do, there was always another challenge you could finish before the night was over, the other is a glorified slot machine

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>>378443686
a cute husbando

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>>378452605
Oh its here all right, doesn't take a genius to point out trends. I'm just saying the west hasn't seen the full force of the gacha yet. Blizzard has already shown it can be applied to other genres aside from RPGs, phone gachas like Fire Emblem have started to crop up. Expect loot boxes to replace season passes, and DLC to start coming in lootbox increments. I'm excited as fuck for E3

>>378452815
>the Granblue Scandal
Tell me more

When will the Bureau of Consumer Protection finally step into the magical space realm of video games and save us from this cancer.

>>378453426
>>>/vg/

Lootboxes take money out of the pockets of idiots and fund new content for the game. I don't really see a downside to them as long as you're not one of the autists that have to have every skin.

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>>378453548
no

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>>378442752
>>378443457
>>378444564
>>378445225
>>378449778
>>378444043
The loot and XP system is designed to work against the player so that you get crates at a rate slow enough as to incentive you into buying them. It's why you can't carry a team, why you can't play against your friends, why the skill ceiling is so low, why matchmaking always pairs you with retards, why you lose more Arcade matches than Quick Play ones even if you exclusively play No Limits etc. Blizzard wants you to lose as much as possible and doesn't want to give you any recourse to overcome or to find any legitimate satisfaction in the actual gameplay itself, because that would mean you no longer feel the need to give them any more money than you already have.

>>378442231
Is it sad that one of my CG portfolio pieces is an intricate "loot box opening animation"? Don't worry, I hate myself for including it too.

They are fun to make though.

>>378443686
The rumored ps4 game

>>378453553
> fund new content for the game
>over 1 year and Overwatch just got 3 new heroes and 2 more maps
>these is from one of the best selling games this year with one of the biggest team working on it.
yeah.....loot boxes help a lot to fund that new content.

>>378453553
>fund new content for the game

HAHAHAHAHA,

>>378453537
>GOP controlled government
>Consumer Protection
Pick one and only one

>>378447208
>burgers worship two literal fucking sticks nailed together
really follows my sunnah

>>378453357
also there's ZERO satisfaction from obtaining a "rare" skin in Overwatch, you simply lucked out and anyone with a big wallet (or mommies credit card) can eventually get it just by endlessly hitting that skinner box lever.
In older games rare shit was rare because it was legitimately hard to get, people knew you earned it and would occasionally be impressed

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>all those corporate cucks defending OP pic in this thread.

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>>378453553
>fund new content for the game

>>378453810
lets not kid ourselves
burgers worship money
at least its real

>>378453357
If it's garbage then why do you care? Why would you dropping any money be a difficult decision?

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>>378443960
>t. underage idiot who doesn't remember all the actually GOOD shooters that didn't have to resort to this shit, and how they allowed the community to create limitless amounts of content through modding

>>378450206

I recall when I was younger how tempting it was to get pulled into online ponzi schemes, pyramid schemes, MLM schemes and all sorts of bullshit. They all attack an odd human vulnerability that gambling also tries to latch onto. "loot boxes" are no different, but they've become legalized gambling that you can market to kids because the money only flows one way. It's really disgusting.

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>mfw spent over 1000$ total on these

fucking christ

>>378453941
>not enough content for this guy
>doesn't know how autistic he looks

>>378454130
>not ut2k3
kid, take your toy cars out of here and make way for the superior version.

>>378453461
>Cygames released a New Years gacha with increased SSR rates
>Advertisement said general SSR rates for characters/summons are increased
>Special New Years character has lower rates than every other SSR
>2channel and twitter users did a survey on SSR pulls during the event
>New Years character has a lower pull rate compared to every other SSR including Legfest characters
>Cygames get into trouble over the incident due to false advertising
>Online games offering gachas and lotteries have to post rates now or they face a fine

Think of it like if Blizzard released a special summer loot box with gold skins like the females in beach wear and everyone wants them. The loot box also has other gold skins in it from other events and as you pull said gold skins you can't get the new ones as easily as the older ones because the rates for the other event skins are higher than the summer event skins despite the advertisement saying "All Epic Skins Drop Rates are Increased!!".

>>378453662
>slow enough asto incentive to buy them
Subjective
>can't carry a team
Because it's a team based game
>can't play against friends
Wrong
>skill ceiling is low
That's because they want a wider audience
>MM pairs you with retards
False conclusion. Your enemy would be paured against retards then too and it'd even out.
>Why you lose more aecDe than quickmatch
Arcade stats aren't being tracked so no way to prove this
>blizzard wants yiu to lose as much as possible
That would mean the other team would win more often. It doesn't add up because there's always someone else benefitting from this and that's what they don't want following your logic
>any legitimate satisfaction in the actual game play
Subjective. Winning and playing with friends is fun enough to me. Idc about lootboxes and will never buy them

The fact that you don't just get coins to buy the items you actually want is the cancer. Rainbow Six Siege's prices may be idiotic but at least you just get what you want.

>>378454063
because it could have been a cool game but it's ruined with drip fed bullshit that normies will defend forever. God fucking forbid we get a good game that isn't trying to vacuum money right out of our wallets at every single opportunity

>>378454338
*as to
*paired WITH retards

>>378454378
"vacuum money"
Seriously, learn to control yourself.

>>378442231
>200+ posts and no one has responded correctly
/v/ is the real cancer killing video games

>>378454338
I'd feel really bad defending this dumb corp for free.

>>378454260
if you think money made from lootboxes goes into content creation you are not only autistic but naive to the point of being delusional

>>378443960
They removed privately owned servers
They removed modding
With these two things they can claim it costs a burdensome amount of money to host game servers and to create new content, which is bullshit. You have been brainwashed into believing new game content must cost money to be developed instead of knowing the truth that AAA killed modding/private servers because they can make more money selling you heavily marked up lazy "gaming as a service" content that takes minimal work to create.

AAA companies don't want you playing their games for years on end (without buying tons of loot boxes). They want you buying the new hotness every 6-12 months so they locked the options of playing games for years on end away.
The games have gotten shittier as a result because they don't need to be innovative anymore since they can "whoopsy" shut down the old servers in a worst case scenario.

>>378444119
>completely change how the game is played and are required for all characters
Lies on the internet.

>>378454523
>implying I'd ever give the acti-jews my money
>implying I even play this shitty slot machine "game" anymore
nah senpai, I cut my losses with the $40 launch price and the wasted bandwidth.
Blizzard has done nothing but soil their reputation with this meme game

>>378454523
Learn about human psychology and about predatory practices.

>>378450086
valve's system also set up a rigged gambling economy and the vast majority of items you get from a $2.50 crate opening are worth 5 cents at most. people spend hundreds or thousands of dollars chasing after that rare knife and getting it. the whole "I got rich off selling skins" is the exact same story that sells people into becoming gambling addicts trying to achieve that fantasy: most people just lose money.

>>378454894
and not getting it*

Just dropped $40 on the anniversary boxes and only got the Symmetra skin. I need an intervention guys. Shame me for wasting my money on this retarded shit. Give me your worst.

>>378454610
They've created new content. Why? People already own the game. New heroes help sell boxes.
Do you think blizzard not continuing to make money off the game will encourage them to create content? No.

>>378454338
>Wrong
You really can't. In order to play a game with friends you have to be in the same group, and groups are locked to the same team. The only workaround is to join their game outside the group from the friends list, which means you're going to be spectating the whole match unless you're REALLY REALLY lucky and someone on the team opposite your friend leaves the match. It's a counter intuitive process and the odds of it working are EXTREMELY low and you're going to be waiting a LONG time for something that will last about 1/10 of a match.
>That's because they want a wider audience
That's what a low skill FLOOR is for, not a low skill ceiling. They've turned away thousands of experienced players, and when their player base becomes experienced themselves they'll just end up leaving the game behind.
>Subjective. Winning and playing with friends is fun enough to me. Idc about lootboxes and will never buy them
That's because you're an underage plebian who has never experienced a true shooter like >>378454130. Once you hit OW's skill ceiling and/or have been exposed to the deep, lasting gameplay of the classics you tune is going to change real quick.

>>378454858
Learn about taking control of yourself.
You can't control the desire to buy OW lootboxes? That's fucking pathetic.

>>378454695
But it still vexes you so. I thing you are BSing me.

>>378445965
the gameplay is trash so they needed some rng shit to make people keep playing same thing with casino games

>>378444578
Is "treadmill" the latest /v/ buzzword ? cause I've seen it used like 7 different times in the thread.

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>>378455183
Sounds like you're the one who's not in control.

>>378455302
I'm just tired of every fucking game having lootcrate bullshit. The days of "do this challenge and get cool thing" are fucking gone and never coming back in a AAA game. The only bastion is indie gaming because they don't have a team of psychologists working day and night trying to figure out how to suck as much money from the whales as possible

>>378454858
Also, liberal pussies, learn what a self-fulfilling prophecy is.
>I can't do X
X will never get done

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>>378455419
>>378455520
Stupid people deserve to have their money stolen.

>>378454531
That's because you can't imagine someone liking the game. Always funny how people call you a shill just because you like something. It's the only Blizzard game I ever paid for and it gets so much shit just because and only because it is popular and a casual game. There are many valid criticisms I can agree on but his post was just plain wrong.
The argument that they want you to lose can't even hold up against basic logic because there's always a winner on the other side. It's conspiracy theory tier.
I don't even claim they don't want to sell lootboxes, but not how how that guy believes

>>378455073
>no playing against friends
Custom matches are a thing.
>skill ceiling
Misread. Maybe.
>underage
Wrong. I just never cared for """true""" shooters. I am more the RPG kinda guy

What about the other points? Did my logic convince you and you're too proud to admit that? Maybe insult me some more. How hard is it to accept an opinion? I can totally understand that you dislike OW's shallowness that I don't even defend but you don't seem to comprehend why people might like it without resorting to personal attacks.

Gambling is a real psychological addiction and blizzard has actual kike mind manipulators that work with their game designers for this shsit.

You know, as much as I hate RNG boxes, it's at least only for cosmetics, and dumb people like OP buying them keeps things like maps/characters free. Hate it al you want, but I prefer this than buying $20 packs or $100 season passes just so I can stay in current matchmaking queues. That shit pretty much kills every game's online.

>>378444162
>all dev time goes into skins
You do know that it takes much longer to make hero's and maps right?
The skins took no tome at all

>>378443686
the 72 virgins, high score gets the lot

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>>378455764
We tried to warn you about this years ago, but you all fell for it.

>>378445343
>>378448950
Explain to me how the Axtinguisher is worse than the Fire Axe.

>>378455520
They could expand the arcade rewards.
But I'm sick of selfish autists who simply can't handle a perfectly fair process. I like the game. Blizz earning money doesn't hurt it.

>>378455351
Nah. OW didn't have any progression during beta yet people kept playing it.

Your logic could be applied to pretty much every single game that has some kind of progression system.

>>378455764
TGCs have been doing that for decades.

>>378455672
thanks for the wise words pepe, I just want to do cool shit and get rewarded for it instead of getting optimally timed rewards that don't even have the slightest chance of giving me what I want.
Retards can go give their money to the government via a casino, the money would be much better served there instead of Activisions higher ups pockets

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>he believes in free will

>>378455704
>Custom matches are a thing.
Which 1) don't give you XP and 2) take a very, very long time to set up.

>>378455419
That's your interpretation, huh? I haven't bought any boxes.

>>378455963
>wanting the content in a game you paid for is autistic
I'm done with this thread if people unironically think this.
The arcade rewards are yet another "hope you get what you want but have some duplicate sprays you got on launch day LOOOOL", not real rewards.
Having a 1% chance to get a skin isn't exactly a reward, it's a god damn fucking DICE ROLL.

>>378455986
thats because the progression system works like that, find another reason for it... People played it during beta cause it was blizzard's new shiny game...

>>378443398
I don't license over watch so it would require money.

>>378456223
It is created for money..... Boxes are how they get the money. You just can't figure it out. Selfish autism.

>>378456004
Those aren't games

>>378456482
the only autism is defending it for free on an anonymous yarn knitting board.
It's literally a cancer killing video games, all genres and platforms are infected with it yet here you are saying it's okay because you kind of like the game and you know the dev studios name because you heard it from the real nerds growing up

>>378456482
> Boxes are how they get the money
hmm and here I thought people paid to play overwatch, a fully priced game which is really much for such a shallow game with so little content.

>>378456252
>thats because the progression system works like that, find another reason for it

Find another reason for what? There are lots of people who play OW without buying lootboxes. Just because you assert something doesn't make it true.

Cosmetic issues is a non issue if it doesn't affect the gameplay.

>>378456482
>Boxes are how they get the money

Overwatch is a F2P game?

>>378456802
cosmetic issues are issues if there is no gameplay

>>378446241
>when someone thinks quake 3 is the only quake game
you're a retard

>>378454986
>People already own the game.
TIL people only buy games on release day and never afterwards

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>>378456482
Stop defending this shit. Developers didn't have to depend on this shit before (see >>378454130) and they don't have to now. Bethesda aren't looking to the benefit of the community, they're looking to maximize profits, which is WHY THEY DON'T ALLOW COMMUNITY CONTENT LIKE THE ACTUALLY RESPECTABLE SHOOTER DEVELOPERS OF OLD DID.

>>378456884
As I said, you asserting there is no gameplay doesn't make that statement true. You're even objectively wrong, since if the game didn't have gameplay it wouldn't have any interactivity whatsoever.

You can subjectively think the gameplay is unappealing but it's just your opinion.

>>378456739
Everyday I see this thread. Maybe my autism is that I can't stand illogical people.
Cool story, nerd.

>>378454986
new heroes help sell boxes, not boxes help create content
they will create content in the minimal stream they have to keep people minimally interested

>>378457180
>Bethesda
Goddamn I am getting my three Bs of vidya developer evil mixed up again.

>>378456779
That's your opinion.
>>378456834
Now read the first sentence in the post you replied to. I like new content that is free to me. Do you?

>>378442231
It's another OP is a fag episode. The game wouldn't be made any better without the lootboxes.

>>378456714
What else? :o

>>378457347
As opposed to none at all.

>>378457274
>illogical
>get 10 kills and get a guaranteed voice line, get 100 kills for a skin
or
>win a few matches and get a dice roll that will have a 1% chance of getting that voice line, either level up again to get another attempt or pay real money and skip the hassle
only one of these is logically a good idea, the other can be summed up with one word. Jews

>>378457504
>defending gachashit and being condescending while doing so

I hope you die from painful cancer.

>>378457180
It's not that kinda game. Kids play, it has broad appeal. Deal with it.

>>378450987
Trve roguelikes are the chemo, roguelites are pure cancer tho

>>378442231
Does every MP game relating to Activision have Loot Boxes of some sort now?

>>378457181
only a retard would even use the word opinion, would you also say that fire being able to burn stuff is also my opinion?
The game has very simplistic gameplay in order for anyone to be able to pick up and play and attract casuals which will eventually get trapped in the psychological attack by blizzard which are loot boxes. All planned by them for the $$$. They even said that they wont make a new warcraft game cause it wont bring them enough money, if you try to defend anything they do u are shilling like hell cause its obvious how gay they are

>>378443804
>people pay to not play the game to use things you can only see when you play the game

u foking wot m8?

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>>378442231
>I have shitty luck and hate being gatewalled. If I had any real skills playing games I wouldn't give two shits this existed and would enjoy good games not caring this shit existed. But I'm OP, I'm a faggot that cries and cries that games just don't give me what I want or some clear cheese in how to unlock it.

Your existence ruins everyone around you.

>>378457780
Not an argument. You will defend autism to your death.

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Doomsaying is fun because you get to see all the retards in denial.