What genre should Nintendo tackle next?

dating sim

>>378425559
ARPG?

>>378425559
Capcom Versus

>>378425559
MMOs
Pokemon MMO

Super Smash Moba when?

>>378425559

Combined arms FPS
Nintendo style fucking Battlefield Heroes motherfucker

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>>378425559
jrpg, it's time to show square enix and bandai namco how it's done

I have never ever found a game with a crafting system fun unless you count Zelda's cooking system.

I bet Nintendo could make it fun.

>>378426071
>what is Xenoblade

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>>378425845
I'd main the shit out of a Viewtiful Joe / Captain Falcon team.

>>378426337
not turn-based.

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Horror, because I think that might be the only genre that Nintendo hasn't tried yet.

>>378425792
What is Xenoblade

>>378425559
Anything involving waifus
A Dating Sim, a Senran Kagura but with Nintendo Characters, Visual Novels, etc...
Just literally give me an option to fuck my waifu and I'll buy ten copies

>>378426487
You know Nintendo own the Fatal Frame franchise right and have made multiple games now?

>>378426487
Didn't Nintendo have those games where you take pictures of spooky ghosts with a camera?

>>378426487
Wasn't Deadly Premonition made by Ninty?

>>378426532
This. Dating sim with all the nintendo girls

>>378425931

>MMOs
>Pokemon

C'mon kiddo, try a real game.
Like doing another "we'll pay you to make your fucking games great again SEGA/Konami etc." and doing a motherfucking Phantasy Star Online dealio
I think Nintendo probably has enough sway in Japan to make other companies do their jobs right.

>>378426584
>>378426603
That's not a Nintendo 1st party title though.
But Luigi's Mansion would probably fit anyway. It was pretty spooky

>>378426487
>implying Luigi's Mansion wasn't scary as shit

>>378426487
eternal darkness

>>378425559
skateboard game with those nintendo artstyle

>>378426442
Erm, aren't jrpg's just rpgs made in japan? Caude that's what I thought it meant.

>>378425559
Stealth.

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MOBA

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>>378426584
>>378426603
>Fatal Frame is currently co-owned by Koei Tecmo and Nintendo

Oh shit, I didn't know that, I thought Koei were the sole owners of the franchise.

FF characters playable in smash when?

>>378425559
a racing game would be nice.

>>378427082
how horrifying, a moba that actually tries to innovate instead of copy its predecessors

>>378426487

Metroid is horror. Fusion is basically Alien.

>>378426487
Wasn't Geist made by Nintendo?

>>378427082

Doesn't really work without something like the PC, where you got shit tons of research you can do on builds and guides etc, streaming and a means for literally anyone to play no matter how cheap the hardware is.
On top of that, most games built like a MOBA will only be able to try and imitate Dota or LoL at a pinch, and not too well since they have forever and a half of build up and development.

Best case for a MOBA on consoles is to just throw it in like a game mode to supplement something, like Future Cop: L.A.P.D. had a Moba multiplayer versus mode alongside a co-op campaign.

>>378427182
F-Zero

arms is trash and is just riding splatoons success and nintendos cult-like fanbase

>>378426817
Considering they bought the rights to the series like 6 years ago, yes it is.

Just because they let other companies develop it doesn't mean it's not their franchise.

>>378425559
Good games

>>378425559

Card Game
4x
Digital Pet (ala digimon)

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>>378427332
DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW

>>378427291
This. It isn't even a traditional fighting game, and has a pitiful roster.

>>378426442
>What is Mother?

>>378426696
>only console it's not on is nintendo ones

Is this some new bait?

>>378426487
Luigi's mansion.

>>378427358
>Digital pet (alarm digimon)
>Nintendo

HMMMM..... Really makes me think.

>>378427372
>It isn't even a traditional fighting game
so you mean it isn't a SF2 clone
I fail to see how this is a problem

>>378427276
or wave race, excitebots, uniracers or a new series.

Im just tired of only having mario kart.

>>378427182
Wtf is kirby air ride, mariokart, F-zero, excitebike, excitetruck,...

>>378427372
>traditional
Go die in a god damn fire.

>>378427501
>>378427536
1080 too.

>All these dead racing franchises
>All these dead franchises in general

With switch having both console and handheld Devs working on a single platform this time around what are the chances we'll see revivals?

>>378427313
But the thread is based around what games Nintend should do as a developer, not a publisher/franchise owner

>>378427372
>It isn't even a traditional fighting game
Woah the game is different, that's not what we want at all

>>378427628
Mk8d is good though

>>378427372
Gundam Versus shits on SF in both popularity and local competition in Japan. It's just that we're only just now getting it here.

>>378425559
Airplane dogfights

So people are really excited for arms?

Why? I just don't get it.

>>378425559
The Souls genre.
Give From the Mario IP and let them do Super Mario Souls.

The Undead Burg could turn into Bowser's castle

How about an action/hack n slash game?
>inb4 Bayonetta 2

Bayonetta as an IP is still SEGA property even if Nintendo funded the second game. I'd like to see Nintendo try their hand at an action game ala DMC, MGR, or any other game you'd expect to be made by Platinum.

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>>378425559
What nintendo could do that could be popular
>A smaller MMO that functions both online and offline for switch.
>Some sort of cardgame similar to hearthstone built from the ground up to be simple to play on tablets like switch
>A dumbed down moba that works on switch

What I want them to do that they wont to
>Some sort of nintendo city sim maybe toadsville or something maybe not
>A Star Fox game where you pilot the great fox, or maybe other ships like it, make it team of four, one driving the great fox, one managing the weapons and two others piloting AR-Wings

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>>378427082
On one hand, it seems impossible for Nintendo to be able to pull that off, given the limitations of the Switch.
But on the other hand, they did make a shooter where precise aiming isn't required to do well, so who knows, maybe they'd actually do it.

>>378428048
it's fun
it's like the mario kart of fighters but less bullshit

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>>378428126

Has Nintendo made an RTS recently? Is Pikmin an RTS?
I feel like something amazing could be done there.

>>378427834
i would KILL for a Gundam Versus on switch in english

>>378427257
>what is smite, awesomenauts, and battleborn

If Nintendo made a pokemon dota they would make a lot of money

>>378428234
Pretty much this, actually anything fast paced would be cool

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>>378425559
Not necessarily a genre, but I want an ashley game in the style of persona, it's all there from ashley having issues making friends to school setting to summoning monsters.

>>378428265
I wish games that weren't full games would stop being priced like full games.

Sure it looks fun but I'm not gonna spend $80 on it (oh wait like $500 for it plus switch) and I feel bad for people that do.

Still waiting for Nintendo to tackle the fighting game genre.

>>378428234
I think Nintendo owns the rights to Wonderful 101. I wouldn't really want another one without Kamiya though so they would still need Platinum in the end.

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>>378428521

>>378425947

This.

>Dragon is replaced with Ridley

>>378428421

A LoL clone with a terrible camera, a dumbed down RoR-but-PvP clone and a game that failed once and got rebooted to fail again as it's exactly the same: missing the point of Mobas entirely and just copying what the combat sounds like when simplified.

Demigod would be a better alternative to consider, for those to smart for Dota. It just straight up didn't get popular.

>>378428495
I would play an Ashley game where you play as Ashley and use the power of your little pusy to fuck enemies and beat them with many erotic scenes

>>378425667
I would kill for an honest-to-god high quality porn game. None of that visual novel crap, no Kamidori, something with real production value.

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>>378427392
>What is Mother
A dead Franchise that never got their third game localized in the west.
It hurts...

>>378428495
>Not necessarily a genre, but I want an ashley game in the style of persona, it's all there from ashley having issues making friends to school setting to summoning monsters.

I like you

>>378428682
desu I want that too but I think that happens after Ashley's nintendo game.

>>378425559
Platformer

>>378428682
same, but all the enemies are me

>>378427392
And Pokemon, Golden Sun, Magical Vacation/Starsign, Glory of Heracles, most Mario rpgs, they've done their fair share of turn based rpgs.

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>>378428234
You do know this game exists right?

>>378428514
A FUCKING LEAF

>>378428587
>Fighting game

>>378428587
Doesn't have a true neutral game, or dedicated wakeups, frame traps, cross-ups, AAs, combos, etc. Not a real fighter.

>>378428587
Can't wait till I move

>>378428843
yes?

>>378428495
That sounds like a wonderful game for faggots

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>>378428697
Wow, How sexist of you, do you know there are women who play Nintendo too? Ugh, how Problematic.

>>378428882
Source on this definition?

>>378428514
It's $50 on the Japanese eshop you idiot

>>378427834
>hear Gundam VS is getting a western release
>happy as fuck we'll be getting a mech game
>watch trailer
>it's a DBZ clone with robots

Sorry my hype died. Call me when we get a real mech game.

>>378428882
>Not a real fighter by my very narrow definition

>>378429010
Okay? I can't read moonrunes retard. Learn how to into global economy

>>378427245
Yep. Eternally forgotten, even by Smash IIRC.

>>378428986

SLBC

>>378428986
If a game doesn't have the most common staples shared by most all fighters, it's not a fighting game. You can't change the camera angle of an FPS or take away the guns and still call it an FPS.

>>378427392
>>378428783
>mother
made by brownie brown

>pokemon
made by game freak

>golden sun
made by camelot

>Magical Vacation/Starsign
made by brownie brown

>Glory of Heracles
no idea but not nintendo

>most mario rpgs
this one is fair actually but still not what comes to mind when one thinks jrpg

>>378428980

I want a porn game with Callie.

>>378428587
>TPS with fighting game elements is now a fighting game
As far removed from the genre as Smash is, it at least contains all of the bare minimum mechanics a game needs to be considered a fighting game.
Arms contains 10% of them. Calling it a fighting game is as abhorrent as calling Zelda an RPG

>>378428126
>nintendo/fromsoft co-develop a souls-like
I would want to see this.

>>378429038
>Real Mech Game

>Slow, clunky
>Needlessly High health
>Shitty Music
>Samey Robot Designs

>>378429149
Zelda is an RPG.

>>378429095
It's true, my dad works at the Sri Lanka Broadcasting Corporation and he confirmed this definition.

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>>378428521
>Still waiting for Nintendo to rip off Street Fighter 2
This proves it people, the majority of the population are average and gravitate towards the safe and familiar

>>378429136
I want a hand-holding game with Callie

>>378425559
I want them to make another Kid Icarus like Uprising. Splatoon multiplayer is fun but it's not as good of a single player shooter. Single player focused shooters are having a resurgence in the mainstream and I think they should do another if they could convince Sakurai.

>>378429212
>Le relativism maymay

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>>378429149
>Arms contains 10% of them. Calling it a fighting game is as abhorrent as calling Zelda an RPG
What the fuck does that even mean. ARMS is 100% a fighting game. It's nothing else.

>>378429220
>SF2 defined fighting games
>Sticking to and expanding on the genre defined by one game makes the subsequent game a rip-off
Tekken and Virtua Fighter innovated the fighting game formula by going 3D but are still fighting games at their core. You can't say they're just SF2 ripoffs you moron.

>>378428882
>Doesn't have a true neutral game
Do you even know what the neutral is in terms of a fighting game? In fact Arms is almost entirely about the neutral.

>>378429220
Well obviously. It's way easier to like something you know than something you haven't even thought of yet

>>378429220
You are in the most hateful and whiny place on the web, what do you expect when our most popular board is a center for far right activism and anonymity?

>>378429372
In a real fighting game the neutral tends to dissipate as a player wins it and gets in on the other player for the offensive (this is where frame traps and mix-ups and the like come in). ARMS is played almost entirely at a range, you can't call it a neutral when it's the whole fucking game.

>>378429038
>gundam
>not expecting high speed action
Your own fault anon.

>>378429120
I knew the "not actually made by nintendo" was coming, but all of those are nintendo IPs, it's kind of like saying Kirby isn't a nintendo platformer because it was made by hal.

Honestly, I would really like it if nintendo would do a minecraft clone, one that isn't blocky and allows you to create happy upbeat worlds and populate them as you wish, maybe with various species from Nintendo Canon, but nothing you couldn't imagine in like Mario Kart, such as Pikmin,Toads and Koopas. Creating a functional village how you want.

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>>378428126
Nintendo Souls would just be Zelda but with uglier monsters.

>>378429357
See >>378428882
Arms is a TPS with fighting game elements

>>378429372
Neutral in Arms doesnt function the same way as it does in fighting games due to the way mechanics work. Neutral as an abstract concept applies to literally any 1v1 game and the way it works in Arms is closer to a TPS.

>>378427497
>>378427574
>>378427701
t. tr4shbabbies

>>378429369
>SF2 defined fighting games
For the last fucking time, SF2 popularized the formula you fucking dumbass

Asymmetrical multiplayer
L4D, Evolve, Dead by Daylight, Natural Selection, etc

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How about a Nintendo game where you pretend to be retarded and say things like nintendo fighter while claiming Smash Bros and ARMS don't count but also forget that Pokken exists. I want to play that fucking game with you fucking autists.

>>378429603
>Arms is a TPS with fighting game elements
That's retarded. It's a new type of fighting game that's not inspired by old shit games like Street Fighter. I don't know why fighting fags are so retarded but get over yourselves.

>>378426071
what are mario&luigi and Paper Mario ?

>>378429696
SF2 revolutionized, popularized and defined the formula, yes. Pro tip: innovation is not the same as invention. 3D platformers existed before Mario 64, they were shit in comparison. Mario 64 defined a genre.

>>378429753
Wow you sure need a niggy dont you

>>378428843
>>378428882
>>378429136

Just checking some of the first few results from a quick search:
>A fighting game is a video game genre in which the player controls an on-screen character and engages in close combat with an opponent, which can be either an AI or controlled by another player.
>Fighting games are a form of action game in which two on-screen characters engage in one-on-one combat. Fighting games frequently feature unarmed fighting, such as boxing or martial arts, but can also include fighting with weapons like swords or guns. Players are given options to control the on-screen characters and engage in close combat with opponents.

ARMS might not be a traditional fighting game (read: derivative or clone of Street Fighter), however it is a fighting game. Combos don't make something a fighting game, nor does a 2d side scrolling perspective. It's a game about people fighting, its literally in the fucking name.

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>>378429734
Wasn't that like, the selling point of the Wii U

>>378429758
Arms isn't a fighting game, sorry

>>378429734
>Asymmetrical multiplayer
You mean Nintendoland, and every other WitH multiplayer game?

4X space sim with Rosalina.

>>378429892
But it is.

>>378429508
it's often hard to say whether something was actually co-developed by nintendo or if they just slapped their name on it at the end. For most mario games they seem to have miyamoto overseeing it to some extent at least.

>>378429758
>It's a new type of fighting game
Not even that, you can easily classify it as what's mostly known as "arena fighter" or those fighting games that use a big 3d space like Gundam Versus, J-Stars, those naruto games, etc. But I guess to purists those don't count as fighting games either.

>>378429836
>arms has people fighting so it's a fighting game!
>mario has you play as mario so it's a role-playing game!
>overwatch has people shooting things so it's a shoot em up!
Nintendie logic, everyone

>>378429892
Then what is it?
What is this game about people FIGHTING eachother if this game about people FIGHTING isn't a FIGHTING game?

>>378429892
It is. Just not a traditional one.

>>378429734
>Asymmetrical
Name a single asymemetical game thats good.
Seriously when this meme start.

>>378429603
>Arms is a TPS with fighting game elements
Didn't giggle in a while, thank you Anon.
Being 3rd person + 3D gameplay doesn't make a game a TPS, fighting games can be 3D and not be exclusively close combat

>>378430009
see
>>378429981
arms isn't fighting and neither is smash

>>378429758
>Fighting game
>Static movesets defined by character
>Each action is static and predefined by the game
See: Tekken, SF, Vitua fighter, Mortal Kombat etc.

>Shooting game
>Dynamic movesets that change based on weapon set up
>Have the ability to dynamically aim attacks and alter weapon trajectory
See: Arms, KI:U, Quake, CS, Half Life etc.

>>378430105
You're like those fags who refused to call Destiny a MMO.

>>378430035
No it's not

>>378430162
Because it isn't one

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>>378429978
It doesn't really have anything in common with these games. I never knew fighting fags were this autistic. Why the hell do you even care?
>>378430105
Really, you can come up with all kinds of nonsense but at the end of the day you're not going to be able to convince anyone. ARMS is a fighting game. Have a nice day, virgin.

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Isn't fighter more of a personal definition. Like I honestly am fine with calling it a fighter, and to most people I think it would fit that definition, it's functional and serves it's purpose, no reason to get anal about it, at the same time, if you are some evo guy maybe the term fighter isn't functional for ARMS because your set definition of fighter exists solely as Street-Fighter like games, and since fighting games that aren't like street fighter tend to lack the kind of depth you guys are looking for.

tl;dr you both win the internet fight stop fighting plz.

>>378430105
>Static movesets defined by character
Didn't know Overwatch was a fighting game.

>>378430058
AvP

>>378430246
Oh, it is.

>>378430105
>Fighting game
>Static movesets defined by character
>Each action is static and predefined by the game
by your definition smash bros is a fighting game

>>378430250
>explain why arms isn't fighting
>NO NO NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *puts thumbs in ears before fastening mario hat* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

There's no point talking to people arguing about what is or isn't a "real" fighting game. Just let them slowly kill off their imaginary genre like they've been doing for the past couple of decades

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A GTA clone. Not something child friendly but fun like Lego City Undercover, but maybe like a Futuristic game starring Captain Falcon where you can chase and hunt down criminals.

>>378425931
more likely would be Xeno

>>378430162
>MMO
>played entirely in small instances
You might be retarded.

>>378430105
>Fighting game
>Static movesets defined by character
>Each action is static and predefined by the game
So that one soul calibur game that allows you to make a custom character isn't a fighting game?
I guess that Melty Blood isn't a fighting game because of the != movesets for each type of moon.

>>378428048
Because it's on Switch and people need to justify their $300 dollar purchase somehow. Shit will sell like hotcakes because there is literally nothing else to buy tho

The good games genre.

>>378430370
Because 72 man raids are the most common form of content in MMOs these days.

>>378430250
>>378430260
>>378430265
>>378430162
>>378430372
>Several people give legitimate mechanical differences as to why ARMS isn't and cannot be a fighting game
>ARMS is a fighterfags can only resort to name calling, false equivalences and animeposting
Sad, desu

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Next you're going to say that Pikmin is not an RTS

>>378430250
>It doesn't really have anything in common with these games.
You fight on a 3d arena, that's the main draw.
I was actually agreeing with ARMS being a fighting game, but as a part of a sub-genre and not a "traditional one".

>Why the hell do you even care?
Yeah, let's not discuss anything and agree to disagree, fag.

>>378430497
>legitimate mechanical differences
aka arbitrary definitions

>>378430497
Gotta pass the time somehow after their memegame failed to show up at EVO

>>378430534
Pikmin is not an RTS

Metroid RTS and you cn either play as Federtion, Space Pirates, Luminoth, and Chozo.
The heroic units for Federation are Samus and the magic negro from Other M. Youget the idea.
Shit would be so cash

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>>378430260
there's no rules to be able to call a game a fighting game. i don't know where that shit came from. if the characters hit eachother and it's marketed as a fighting game it's a fighting game. maybe not the type of fighting game that pops into your head when you read the words "fighting game", but a fighting game nonetheless.

>>378430617
oh lol

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>>378430440
what is Ocarina of Time?

>>378430534
>>378430617
Is this a Jojo reference?

>>378430652
>>378429981

>>378430592
Do you even know what a genre is you dumb retard?

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>>378430497
I didn't name call though fagorroni
>>378430260
Everyone has different functional definitions based on taste, using the term fighter for some people is an easier way to categorize this game, at least until it becomes more standard and we can sub-categorize it as something more accurate.

The fact of the matter is, for most people just calling it a fighter is the path of least resistance, and no one individual controls language so as to what you may view as the unwashed masses are concerned, ARMS is a fighter, to those who need more precised definitions, it is not.

>>378430652

Well fuck, every game must be an RPG because in every game you're playing the role of a character.

>>378430735
Genres don't fucking mean anything. Let me spell it out for you

IF IT HAS PEOPLE FIGHTING THEN IT'S A FUCKING FIGHTING GAME.

ARMS.
IS.
FIGHTING.
GET.
IT.
THROUGH.
YOUR.
THICK.
FUCKING.
SKULL.

>>378430735
Well, what is a genre?

>>378430735
Do you even know what a definition is?

>>378430794
you say that like the "rpg" genre makes any sense at all in the first place

>sfbabies are still trying to be relevant after the tragedy that is SFV

>>378429869
das a nice porker
post more comf porkers

>>378425559
>What genre should Nintendo tackle next?
Metroidvania

>>378430497
>legitimate mechanical differences
TOP KEK, you just made up some specific criteria so that only the fighting games you likes could be called fighting games.
Fighting games are about a character fighting another, that's all.
This is a fighting game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS5peqApgUA
This is too :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z7_K6PYH1M
This is too :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmlMF5p_ZMY
This is too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QNqySJldHw
This is too :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9UfvTtZEI8
This is too :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XVNX8TCy7I
And ARMS is one too

Fighting games aren't limited to SF2-like games

>>378425559
Monster Hunting
MOBA
Card game that uses NFC

>>378431013
>MOBA

Fuck off.

>>378429836
>>378429951
>>378430009
>>378430035
>>378430063
>>378430294
>>378430321
>>378430804
I'll entertain you. Let's say that ARMS is a fighting game, okay? You've convinced me. If I asked for fighting game recommendations, you could throw me Arms and I'd try not to laugh, in fact I'd take you seriously enough to hear you out. What then, gives ARMS any sense of depth or competitiveness to it? What latent mechanics or ingenuity is present in ARMS that makes it better, deeper, or more mechanically intense than other fighting games? Why wouldn't I choose to play Tekken, Street Fighter, Guilty Gear, or even KI and Blazblue over ARMS?

>>378430105
>A fighting game is a video game genre in which the player controls an on-screen character and engages in close combat with an opponent, which can be either an AI or controlled by another player.

"The Next Generation 1996 Lexicon A to Z: Fighting Game". Next Generation. No. 15. Imagine Media. March 1996. p. 33.
https://archive.org/details/nextgen-issue-015

>>378430735
>A fighting game is a video game genre in which the player controls an on-screen character and engages in close combat with an opponent, which can be either an AI or controlled by another player.[1] The fight matches typically consist of several rounds and take place in an arena, while each character has widely differing abilities but each is relatively viable to choose. Players must master techniques such as blocking, counter-attacking, and chaining attacks together into "combos".
do you?

>>378430990
>links smash video
Reminder that even your god Sakurai thinks Smash isn't a fighting game,.
https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/jun/21/sakurai-says-smash-bros-isnt-fighting-game-completely-different-label-talks-game-development-fighting-genre-and-value-unpredictability/

>>378429778
dead

>>378431045
>Why would I play something new over the same stuff I've played all my life?
I don't know.

>>378430735
Kek you fell for a meme you impressionable idiot

>>378430260
there used to be a time where ocarinafags will never shut up about their autism and being the best masterpiece in the universe.

traditional fighting fags are cancer, the first fighting game wasnt even a street fighter 2D kind of game.
the term isnt theirs and is time for them to finally go fuck themselves.

>>378425559
Strategy. I'd love to command the Mushroom Kingdom armies in a fight against the Koopa Kingdom.

>>378431045
literally none of that shit matters
you're pulling artificial rules out of your ass once again
it's marketed as a fighting game, they hit each other, it's a fighting game
it doesn't matter in the slightest how competitive it is, you literal autist

>>378431130
New is not always better. I'm gonna step beyond arbitrary definitions here and call Arms shallow and dull rather than not a fighting game, since that might stick better.

>>378430804
>>378430858
>>378430874
Why do leftists like to "win" arguments by arbitrarily changing the definition of well established terms.
Genres are terms that are given to a game by the community of consumers to allow other consumers to easily determine what gameplay mechanics they can expect from their purchase. But fags like you have to run around playing with words and fucking up the entire system for everybody. Just so you can feel "smart" for picking apart abstract concepts.
>This game simulates a virtual world so it's a simulation game
>You play a role in this game so it's a roleplaying game
>You jump in this game do it's a platformer
>There is nothing physically preventing you from playing this game at parties so it's a party game
Congratulations, now every game is every genre and you've completely ruined a useful classification system for everyone else.

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>>378431045
Because some people don't believe depth is necessarily a necessary definition for a fighter, is something like Mortal Kombat less of a fighter than Street Fighter because it has less depth? Where do you draw the line?

>>378430990
>That last vid

I wouldn't need to learn nip to play that right? It looks fun as fuck.

>>378431174
Fire emblem

>>378430990
>Acceleration of SUGURI 2 is a lightning-paced duel-style shoot'em'up from Orange Juice

Jesus fucking christ Armsbabbies are getting desperate.

>>378431220
Have you played it?

>i-it's not a direct clone of Street Fighter so it's n-not a fighting game...

>>378431045
What does any of those things have to do with it being a fighting game?
There's tons of traditional fighting games that aren't complex or "competitive" but are still fighting games.
You're just saying things that you want to see rather than what really makes a game.
And really, with enough interest, you can make anything "competitive".

>>378431221
I don't know mate, from my perspective you're the one changing definitions.

>>378431261
That's SRPG, I mean strategy like the Giren no Yabou games. Go play them, they're great.

>>378431042
Who knows
Maybe they could come up with their own approach to the genre like they did for fighting games with smash, TPS with Splatoon

>>378431174
Mario x rabidds

>>378431045
>What then, gives ARMS any sense of depth or competitiveness to it? What latent mechanics or ingenuity is present in ARMS that makes it better, deeper, or more mechanically intense than other fighting games?
Play the game yourself, or wait for it's full release, or lurk more these threads. At each testpunch I managed to discover something new and play a little better, we can't really speak about depthness before the game is even out.
>Why wouldn't I choose to play Tekken, Street Fighter, Guilty Gear, or even KI and Blazblue over ARMS?
You do what you want and so do we, but to someone like you I would rather recommend UNIEL.
And also kys if you think that people wouldn't laugh at you if you recommend SFV

>>378430981
>armshitters are still trying to be relevant after the tragedy that was failing to get into evo2017

>>378431221
>can't answer any of the questions
>brings politics into it
poetic

>>378431213
>Possibly the most competitive 1-on-1 genre in the industry
>It shouldn't matte if my fighting game is shallow or not competitive!
Why do you think people enjoy fighting games, anon?

>>378431247
MK and other NRS fighters are laughed off for their simplicity and they die in a matter of months. Note how I didn't list them.

>>378431056
He just says it's too limiting to think of the fighting genre as all the autistic fanboys like you do, actually.

>>378431250
Going to be released soon in english, but you can play the JP version just fine.

>>378429981
Except no one is calling Super Mario titles roleplaying games or anything but platformers, people aren't calling Overwatch a fucking shoot em up?

Seriously what kind of fucking strawman is that. Shoot em ups are basically bullet hells and galaga clones. RPGs either are defined by being a derivative of D&D and other RPGs adapted into video game form, or the existence of a sort of statistic or ability score system. Overwatch is a FPS game, Mario is a platformer, fuck off with your baseless logic. Super Mario is a game where you platform, Overwatch is a shooter in the first person perspective, and ARMS is a game where you are competing and fighting in a combat sport.

>>378430880
Also thats absolutely false. All RPGs are derivative of Dungeons & Dragons any other Tabletop RPGs, and were at least originally an attempt to apply those systems to a video game format. This is more apparent in earlier RPGs and MUDs, which exist as a means to be "an RPG that doesn't require other players or a DM". RPGs have been disconnected from this as time went on, mostly due to RPGs, which in themselves were a vast misinterpretation of poorly translated early D&D rulesets, with weird confusions coming out of it like Bahamut (who was definitively one of the most virtuous and "good" gods in D&D) as a big evil dragon, or slimes being weak (when they are pretty terrifying and dangerous if used correctly in D&D), mostly due to the fluff (lore) being poorly translated while the crunch (mechanics) coming through fine.

By your idiotic definition I could make a boxing video game and it wouldn't even be a fighting game. It isn't a specific type of fighting game, but it most definitely is one. Fighting is a very broad genre. The "2d combo heavy SF2 clone" type of fighting game is a sub-genre.

>>378430093
You didn't answer my fucking question. Stop with the fucking strawmans.

>>378431350
That's supposed to be like X-Com, in that you control a handful of units. It'll be cool, but I'm talking about comanding lots of units. Advance Wars would be something closer.

>>378431393
>he said smash isn't fighting
>N-N-NO HE ACTUALLY MEANT THAT THE FGC IS STOOPID AND MEAN FOR NOT THINKING HIS GAME IS FIGHTING

>>378431056
You're missing the point.

>>378431469
Yes, surprise, clickbait titles doesn't say the whole picture. Shocking I know.

Any time you hear someone say "Street Fighter clone" you can assure yourself they're an asshurt Smashbabby that has never touched a """"fighting"""" game that isn't Tr4sh or MEMES.

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I'm just gonna post this here for no particular reason, ignore me

>>378426487
yus, bring back Eternal Darkness

>>378431352
SFV has problems but most of the hate towards it is a meme, it's still a viable competitive fighter to get into, just be prepared to be fucking irritated by how few defensive options there are and how strong throw mixups can be. Fuck Capcom for that.

Easier execution was a huge step in the right direction, though. Lowered the skill floor while keeping all the other fundamentals intact so you still have to learn to get any better, just most of your time learning isn't spend on 1f links and FADC.

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>>378430652
>releases on my birthday

oh hey, nice

>>378431056
Smash is not the Street Fighter-style of fighting game. It was never intended to be the uber competitive clusterfuck that it ended up becoming. It's intended to a fun multiplayer party fighting game where you get to see what happens when your favourite nintendo characters fight it out, not what the shitstain that melee has become.

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>>378431221
No one is getting confused or turned off by fighters because ARMS and Smash Bros are considered by some to be fighters.

Like, I get why people bitch about post modernism logic, but in this case you actually have to prove that there is harm being done, in the case you pointed out everyone can call any game a simulation, rpg, platformer and party game, but people don't. Why? because people are good at cessing out pattern even if we can't recognize it fully why we recognize it as a like group.

The post modernist argument, that everything can be interpreted in a infinite amount of ways is bull, not because it's false but because it's not useful. Something needs to be interpreted in a way that is useful and what you are arguing is that this definition is useful to me, so it must apply universally, what you have to disprove is that the term fighter isn't useful to us.

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>>378431383
Now you're saying Mortal Kombat isn't a fighting game? So the plethora of arcade or doujin games that aren't "taken seriously" or played on big current tournaments aren't fighting games for the same reason?
You aren't making any sense.

>>378426487
Luigi's mansion

>>378431045
I'll ignore the fact that the quality of ARMS as a fighter has nothing to do with its genre and try to answer you earnestly.

It's a game for people wanting a slower paced match that rewards positioning and strategy over mashing, since you have minimal means of offense which have relatively small hitboxes and are also your means of defense. Less blocking and throwing out attacks, and more dodging, maneuvering and landings counter hits

>>378431045
You do realize that a game doesn't HAVE to be competitive, right?
You surely can't seriously believe that a game must have some sort of deep intense high learning curve mechanics for it to be a fighting game, to the point that Punch Out is not a fighting game?

>>378431650
>SFV has problems but most of the hate towards it is a meme
How is it a meme? The hate towards it is deserved, and legitimate.

>>378431338
>That's supposed to be like X-Com
got you covered senpai
>>378431338
Canceled fire emblem wii game was supossedly a real time strategy game
>>378431692
wrong, smash bros was always a platform fighter first, it was Iwata's idea to put Nintendo character there

>>378431746
It's a fighting game in the barest sense. It's got corners, health bars, combos, wakeups, AAs (even if every character has the same damn AA), somewhat of a neutral, you get the idea. It's missing a few other core concepts and its combos are easy modo pre-made bullshit but for its simplicity, I like to call it the "tutorial fighter". It's the fighting game people should play first to learn the most basic of executions before graduating to something else.

>>378431383
>MK and other NRS fighters are laughed off for their simplicity and die in a matter of months

You're full of shit

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>>378431383
That still doesn't answer my question
If you could accurately label all fighters in different levels of complexity could you show me which ones are more fighter or less fighter based on that.

Is it the most complex fighter the most fighter, or is a fighter more fighter based on how closely it resembles the preestablished archetype, which you would probably say is SFII

>>378431925
So you admit that Smash is a fighting game then?

>>378428814
*coughplatinumcough*

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>>378431925
>>378431338
forgot pic

>>378430093
>>378431045
You still haven't answered the fucking question. What type of game is ARMS is it, if it is not a fighting game.

>>378432115
Party Game :^)

>>378432009
I'm not that anon and yes, arms and smash is a fighting game

>>378432115
Party game

>>378431892
I just told you. A lot of people are asshurt over the execution barrier being lowered but it's just because they're being exposed, their specialist combos aren't unique to them anymore and they can't gain an advantage solely by being the best at execution, a concept that should not have taken so much of a large precedent over SFIV. The other complaints such as lack of defense options are valid, but everything else like the game's pitiful launch status and balance issues have improved fantastically.

>>378432143
>>378432207
What makes it a Party Game?

>fightfags this upset over Nintendo creating a next generation fighter game that won't die like all their special snowflake traditional fighting IPs

>>378432143
>>378432207
but they don't held party in the game

>>378432115
Melee-focused TPS

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>>378431926
>I like to call it the "tutorial fighter".
Okay anon, keep your tryhard definition of what a fighting game should be, it's obvious no one's going to make you change your mind.

>>378432143
>>378432207
I don't think it's up to a bunch of faggots from /v/ to define what a fighting game is.

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>>378425559
FPS to kill off Activision cancerous garbage on Nintendo systems

>>378432278
>IT'S GONNA BE A REVOLUTION YOU JUST WAIT

Well maybe if you actually got into Evo this year we might see some influence :)

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>>378432278

More like

>SFfags this upset that Nintendo made a better fighting game than SFV

>>378426502
something more tactile

>>378432143
>Mario Party, Smash and ARMS are the same genre
yeah ok kys FGC autismo

>>378432278
It's just a bunch of salty shitfighter players who can't cope with SFV bombing and nintendo being better at making fighting games in 2017 than capcom
lmao

>>378432416
>Evo placement determines a game's success

Oh boy here we go again. If Evo was so influential on a game's success we'd have a Melee HD right now, wouldn't we?

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>>378432263
>>378432303
>>378432373
>What makes it a party game
It's fun, and you aren't allowed to have a smug sense of superiority when you play it because it's immediately fun.

>>378432491
They are, sorry. Party games are party games.

>>378432321
So is there a limit to how long arms can be before it stops being a fighting game?

I just want an SNK vs Nintendo crossover fighter. Or Namco.

>>378432585
Define party game

>>378432570
Okay so it's a party fighting game because, by defintion, it is a game where you have two or more people on screen with close-combat fighting-- but it's also fun.

>>378425559
A game with a black protagonist, it's fucking 2017

>>378432687
Game played by normalfags that imitates a genre like a 5 year old dressing up in daddy's clothes.

>>378432650
>Dhalsim
apparently no

>All these post insist that Fighting game must a Street Fighter clone or some sort
meanwhile Street Fighter V isn't featured in EVO Japan Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zXTCIzlsqQ

>>378432740
Donkey Kong

IT NAHT FITAN GAEM fags ruin everything.

>>378432841
Truth hurts.

>>378429269
Does that mean if callie won Marie would get stuffed full of pancakes?

>>378432736
But you don't need to share a screen to face others.
>>378432774
No.

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>>378432736
Party games are fun games you play with friends and have a difficult time kicking people out of your special secret super exclusive club because you claim to be some sort of definition nazi yet put Mario Party, Smash and Arms in the same category.

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>>378425559
Just one

>>378432864

no, she'd just have to eat pancakes. all of them. and if she tried to run, Callie would have tied her down and fed them to her

>>378432545
We don't have melee HD because Nintendo doesn't want to make it

>>378432914
>yet put Mario Party, Smash and Arms in the same category.
How are they not? Sorry that MEMES is a party game.

>>378432879
Where is that definition? Not seeing it, you're just one person against a sea of people who have no issue accepting games like ARMS and especially SSB are fighting games.

>>378432858
You know what hurts? So many people being wrong for such stupid reasoning.

>ARMS is a guaranteed success
>FGCucks pivot their definition of fighting games to try to deny its eventual status as a top-seller in the genre.
ooh baby

>>378433030
>you're just one person against a sea of people who have no issue accepting games like ARMS and especially SSB are fighting games.
>except if it's the FGC THEN IT DOESN'T COOOOOUUUUUUNT

>>378433030
What are you talking about? You said

Since retardnon fighter want some depth, here's what I've discovered so far (I'll list everything, even obvious shit):
- short hop/full hop
- dash/full dash either aerial or ground
- multiple ways to charge your punch (guard, landing with both arms retracted, full or mid ground dash), so if the opponent is trying to recover from a grab you can short hop and have your stun punches ready when he'll stand up for instance
- charged punch can have multiple effects : screen splash, stun, burn, ...
- directional influence on your punches
- aerial or ground grabs
- can counter punch and grabs by punching them
- can stun or reduce's attack of opponent's Punches by punching into their string/arm
- curved punch can break the guard depending on the type of punch
- you can air dash out of grab with a few chars
- character dependent ability (ex: flying with mechanica, double jump with Ribbon Girl, Healing guard with Mummy, ...)
- you can automatically dash after landing if you hold the dash button before landing
- ending lag of punch is determined by the distance it travelled
The game can already be played in a fast-paced way, just imagine how it could be in a few months after people had all their time to discover new things.

>>378433030
>>378433123
You just said that it was a party game because you shared a screen.

>>378433075
Remember when Splatoon's "success" influenced the FPS genre? Oh wait no one gave a shit about Nintendo's special snowflake baby shit and just moved on.

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Not being able to understand someone else point of view (ie, why some would call arms a fighter and others wouldn't) is a literal sign of autism.

>>378429083
>games aren't "full games" when I say so

Move out of your third world shithole.

>>378433235
>FPS
Wut

>>378433235
splatoon is a tps retard

>>378429212
No it's not

>>378433235
its a TPS, blindfag. And what does that have to do with anything, Splatoon still sold millions, ARMS will do the same. They dont need to influence shit, I just like fun, different, takes they each had in their respective genres.

I would say that ARMS is a ___Fun game

>>378433403
Yes it is, you roleplay as link :^)

>>378433235
why does a game have to be influential in order to be a success?
Yet again, narrowing the definition just to deny a great game, this time Splatoon, its success. lmao, how fucking pathetic can you be.

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>>378429603
>Arms is a TPS with fighting game elements
>Arms,a game that is literally named after the unique fists its characters wield,is a third-person shooter game
>"It's not like any other fighting games,so I'm going to fuck it into a different genre and see if people agree"
holy kekeroony anon
what in the name of christ are you talking about

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>>378433263
To further expand on this, so you can understand
>I think chocolate cake is good
>you also agree chocolate cake is good
>I think vanilla cake is also good
>You have an autistic fit because how dare someone dare compare vanilla to chocolate cake. This ruins chocolate cake, I don't even know if I want chocolate cake anymore because of people considering vanilla to be in the same category as chocolate cake.

ARMS is a Rhythm game and Super Smash Bros is a City Simulation game.

>>378433075
It's undeniably a fighting game, just a more casual one

Is some nigga claiming MK is not a real fighting game

>>378433491
>Splatoon
>a great game
Sorry I'm not 8 or a pedophile

you all just wanna fuck the females you fucking nasty breeders

>>378433547
Really makes u think...

>>378433540
its a gore simulator

>>378433575
sorry, i have a girl fetish

>>378433547
so a sonnybro?

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>>378433547
>spend his time on 4chan
>not a pedophile or Trump supporter

>>378433669
Yes I am one of the 60 million normal people that bought a PS4 and plays normal games. See you can't exactly discriminate against the majority: you can't try to ostracize someone for being straight, white, male, or a Sony fan.

>>378425559
A Monster Hunter clone

ARMS will probably flop and sell 200k just like Splatoon

>>378433023
Define party game

>>378433806

Just like how the Switch was suppose to flop, right?

>>378425559
video games for people over 12 would be kewl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8ax-OopF8Y

Reminder that ARMS will never have this level of competitive strategy or execution

>>378428814
W101 had such a fantastic concept and design, I wish it were better received

>>378433806
dicks and crows

>>378433763
And what "normal" games do you play?
Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Madden and Uncharted?

I would sooner commit suicide than live your life.

>>378433763
Sad

Wait a moment so ARMS is a third person shooter fighting game? Do I have this right?

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>>378433532
fair enough. I think the entry-level of skill needed to get started is pretty inviting, for sure. I hope to see the meta evolve as it has and a distinct difference in low and high level play.

>>378433408

>>378433495
So here's the rundown on ARMShitter arguments so far
>B-BUT THERE ARE CHARACTERS FIGHTING
>BUT NINTENDO SAYS IT'S ONE
>BUT THE GAME IS NAMED ARMS SO IT'S A FIGHTING GAME
I guess "Enter the Gungeon" is now a third-person shooter because it's named after the numerous guns in the game.

>>378433806
I will be legit surprised if ARMS sells anywhere close to Splatoon. I think ARMS works well and has a lot of appeal, but since it's max number of players is only 4 in any instance, it feels like it'd have a harder time gaining attention through word of mouth.

>>378433945

Here's the rundown on salty SFfags

>It's not a fighting game because it's better than SFV

>>378426502
an offline mmo

>>378433979
>It's not a fighting game because it's gonna sell more than SFV

>>378433842
Switch did flop though, not that guy
>lower first month than both 8th gen first month
>70% drop in second month
>still getting outsold by PS4

>>378430093
That's why Smash is litterally the most popular fighting game competitively?

Does that actually make sense to you in your screwed up brain?

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>>378433945
The questions Evofags don't want you to ask
>why do they dictate the definition for fighters?
>what use does the universal application of there definition give?
>why don't girls talk to fightingfags?

>>378434087
>The Switch did flop, though
>literally still sold out, Nintendo TWICE now increasing production to have any hopes of coping with the demand

k

>A fighting game is a genre of video game in which a gamer battles against another character controlled by another gamer or the game's artificial intelligence (AI).
>Fighting games often feature special moves that are triggered through rapid sequences of button presses or associated mouse or joystick movements.
ARMS is a fighting game

>>378434028
>It's not a fighting game because it has a larger release roster than SFV

>>378434105
SFV got more entrants than Melee and Sm4sh combined at last year's Evo and had literally 11x as many viewers as Melee. Try again.

>>378434087
You have a funny definition of flop.
I'm guessing you are Polish

>>378433118
Yeah, they don't. They are absolutely autistic and so are you if you think they actually determine what the definition of a fighting game.

>>378434231
KEK, just because you say it doesnt make it true.

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>>378426487
Nigga.

>>378434224
>It's not a fighting game because people won't drop it as hard as they did SFV

>>378434289
>BUT THEY DON'T COOOOOOUUUUUUUUUNT

>>378427245
not really, but it's published and owned by them

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Turn based strategy!

>>378434010
But where's the Massive Multiplayer part?

>>378434189
Ive never played arms, so Im not antagonizing you here, just an honest question
but is that the core of arms ? or it have guns and other shit and the fighting/moves is just a tiny aspect of it ?

>>378434087
>lower first month than both 8th gen first month
It's first month is higher than Wii, also the greatest selling Nintendo console of all time.
>70% drop in second month
Okay. And?
>still getting outsold by PS4
No it's not. You are outright lying about this.

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>>378434410
>but is that the core of arms ? or it have guns and other shit and the fighting/moves is just a tiny aspect of it ?
It's literally the core yo, it's just 3D boxing with a twist.

>>378434331
not an argument.

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>>378434305
Stay BTFO, friend.

>>378434410
Watch any gameplay and decide by yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k041krtpDxY

>>378434527
Hm... but where's that "literally 11x as much viewers as Melee" thing you said?

>>378434527
>More people watched SFV than actually bought it
kek