Refunding a Completed Game

>>378417113
Don't make games less than 2hrs long cost money.

>>378417113

$2.27 and you refunded it? cmon man. you spend more than that on your lunch.

>rent game
>beat it in 3 days
>it only costs you $2

Frankly if you beat the game in just 2 hours you deserve a refund. The game is shit.

>>378417196
lunch is essential, devs just need to make a long last appealing game.

>>378417196
I don't get this

/v/ on piracy:
>Hell yeah pirate games bro fuck Denuvo

/v/ on refunds:
>Whoa whoa, this is taking it a little far, don't you think?

All power to you senpai, but still I don't see how you were expecting a massive game at less than 3Quid

>>378417705
If you're attitude towards piracy is anything besides "I can't afford it, but I want to play it" you are a faggot. If you feel you need to flaunt that you refunded a game after beating it, you are also a faggot.

JUST

Maybe make a good game people want to keep. personally I never went through the effort of buying something through steam only to return it. If I was that unsure I would just pirate it in the first place.

>>378418665
What if you were sure about it but the game turned out to be worse than your expectations?

>>378418194
My attitude is "fuck Bethesda"

>>378418778


refund it then? I'm just saying I personally never went in with the expectation that I'm just going to refund.

>>378419015
Nobody expects to use pepper spray or their CCW, but when you gotta use it, you gotta use it.

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>>378417361
The only thing they need to do is make a GOOD game, how long it is is completely irrelevant unless you're a massive fucking faggot who makes up imaginary "rules" that all games should follow.

>>378417264
>B-but *insert old game* is beatable in under 2 hours!!!1

being such a pathetic loser you buy a game on sale just to refund it so you can post a pathetic picture on /v/ for 10 replies

>>378419695
Sup dev behind Fullblast - hows your game selling?

>>378419695
t. shovelware dev

>>378419771
>>378419776
>bump my shit thread with this pathetic bait

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>>378419887
Make me another game to refund, Indiewagecuck

>>378419887
please don't sage, it's rude

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>>378417113
if you can't even be fucked to make your game longer than an hour then you deserve to have this shit happen

>>378418950
Inb4 Toddposting

>>378418950
good life choice.

>>378417196
Then why would the devs care if that value of money is so small according to you?

OP is too retarded to pirate games so he has to buy them on Steam and then refund them.
Just imagine this loser.
Imagine what a loser cuck you have to be to still buy games on Steam just to do the same you could do easier and faster with pirating.

>>378419482
I think that Anon included that with
> long last appealing

>>378417705
Refunds are far more damaging to the developer/publisher than piracy.

Piracy doesn't cost anything. Sure you could try to argue that they lose sales because of piracy, but technically there's literally not a single difference (for the devs/publisher anyway) between pirating a game and never playing it at all. In both cases there's simply no sale. Refunds are damaging because they're not free. At the very least, there's an administrative cost to returning the money to the customer, which means that it's objectively worse than not getting any money in the first place. They're actively losing money, after all.

Still, I think refunds are an important consumer right and that, if you make a game that people want to refund after playing it for one hour, you deserve do deal with the consequences. This unfortunately means that short but good games might get unfairly penalized, but when the only alternatives are to either have no refunds at all or to have some sort of artificial gatekeeping system about when you deserve a refund, I think that's a small price to pay.

And considering that there are many shitty indie devs who make low-effort games in the knowledge that some morons will still buy them, to unload them in shitty indie bundles, or even to passively make money off autists collecting Steam cards (a problem Valve has already acknowledged), I definitely think it's important to send a message, whether directly or (through refunds) indirectly, that being a shitter and exploiting the system isn't without risks.

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>Movie for 1,5hours and costs $10
>Well worth the money
>Game for less than 2 hours and costs $2
>automatically shit

>>378420676
The movie industry is full of jews and normal people all know it's a scam.

>>378417705
It's like /v/ isn't one person.
Imagine that.

>>378420676
A shit movie isn't worth $2.

A shit game isn't worth $2.

>>378420676
>Movie for 1,5hours and costs $10
>Well worth the money
It's not you massive retard.

>>378419482
Or they could make an achievement that's "play for three hours"

>>378419508
"beatable" as in speedrun-able with a very detailed guide while skipping all cutscenes

If a game can be finished in 2 hours on a blind run (minus joke endings like in Nier), you deserve a refund.

>>378420924
>If a game can be finished in 2 hours on a blind run (minus joke endings like in Nier), you deserve a refund.
You are a retard.

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>>378420676
>a product that costs millions to make and has a cast and crew of at least a few dozen professionals costs more than a product one crusty hipster threw together in an afternoon at basically no expense
>this is strange and unusual

>>378417113
only a child will think of doing this, or a manchild really.

>>378420882
Literally all movies have going for them is the massive con of "you can only see it early in a theater!" it's like early access

>>378421019
Name 5 games which are not even two hours long and are worth their money.

>>378421084
And also can be beaten in less than 2 hours totally blind and no guide without quarter feeding like in MAME either.

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>>378421019
t. failed indie dev

Imagine the pathetic loser OP taking those screenshots and then putting it together in Paint.
While he drools like a massive retard he is when thinking about how he will troll /v/.

>>378421042
>>378420524
>>378419695
>>378421019
Insulting everyone who disagrees with you is not a very effective strategy for marketing your game, Full Blast dev.

More like Full Assblasted dev amirite :^)

>>378421084
Fightan games
Puzzle games
ReZ Infinite

>>378421202
>>378421230
Are you sad retard people aren't taking your pathetic bait?
Better refund another shitty game you bought on sale because you are a poor looser living with your parents. Did mommy give you her credit card because you are too retarded to pirate?

Make a game that appeals to people who don't want to refund your game.

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>>378417113
>Do developers need protection
No. I can think of plenty of times consumers needed protection from shit developers.

I can only think of niche indie games that blamed the games failure on "fake returns".

For the vast majority of people its not worth the effort to rush through a game to beat it in under 2 hours and get a refund.
Only a handful of young kids who have the free time and think beating games is more important then enjoying them will actually go through the trouble.

It's extremely profitable for a company to lie about a games content or release it broken.
It's not worth the time or trouble of most people to scam the system for a $10 game.

Consumers need protection, not developers.

>>378421348
I'm going to buy your game 10 times and refund them all.

:3

>>378421327
>Fightan games

Character endings, bonus modes, online VS content

>Puzzle games

Depends on the game, even Tetris on Gameboy is technically infinite and others will unlock other modes, new rooms to play, have head to head modes, etc

The best protection would probably be a game that cant be beaten in 2 hours.

>>378417175
Fpbp

>>378421042
>>only a child will think of doing this, or a manchild really
>you must be a manchild/child if you use your consumer rights!

Must be an American poster

>>378421391
This.

Only corporate slaves and indie drama-queens think developer's rights are more important than consumer's rights.

>>378421348
I've only refunded one shitty port on steam a year ago, I don't bother with terrible $2 game anyway.

But the 2 hour refund is a fantastic shit test for these artzy nu-male indie devs since it vastly reduces the rancid low garbage and non-games that were being constantly shoveled on steam.

>>378421453
What's the last fightan game you've seen with more than 2 hours of story content?

>>378417113
I have done that to a few games, one that comes to mind was that indieshit one about game development or something and was like 15 euro.

I refunded that shit and will always do it to similar games that don't last 2 hours. No, shitty indie developers do not need protection, steam needs to hit them harder and stop allowing them to release shit games like this.

Why did the retarded OP even include the achievements?
He didn't even get 50%, what was that loser trying to show?

>>378421525
>But the 2 hour refund is a fantastic shit test for these artzy nu-male indie devs since it vastly reduces the rancid low garbage and non-games that were being constantly shoveled on steam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

>>378421609
Soul Calibur 2
Tekken 5
Tekken 6

God rest their souls

>>378417113
>tfw not so long ago garbage like this would be free on Newgrounds or Kongregate

Honestly, refunding is the only reasonable response here. Ever since indie "devs" discovered that they can just shovel their garbage onto Steam and get paid for it the whole scene has turned into cancer.

>>378421656
>what was that loser trying to show?
Probably the achievement showing he actually finished the game.

>>378421609
If you want to beat the game with every character, it will definitely take longer.

Besides, the game doesn't have to be longer than even an hour. You will want to keep a short game which is actually good to play it more.

The only reason you want to return a game after you finished it once if it has no replayability, which is true for most indie trash.

>>378421656
>>But the 2 hour refund is a fantastic shit test for these artzy nu-male indie devs since it vastly reduces the rancid low garbage and non-games that were being constantly shoveled on steam.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

Glad you agree.
Indie cancer must be purged before it takes roots.

>>378421637
>I refunded that shit and will always do it to similar games that don't last 2 hours. No, shitty indie developers do not need protection, steam needs to hit them harder and stop allowing them to release shit games like this.
Why do you retard act as if you are superior?
You are too retarded to know if a game is shit before you buy it, idiots like you shouldn't deserve a refund. Maybe then you will learn to not buy shit games in the first place.

>>378421898
The game shouldn't be sold on Steam then if I should "know better".

There's obvious turds like Digital Homocide games, but then there's games like OP, which I wouldn't know were bad or good until I played them.

>>378420676
I haven't spent a single cent on a movie in 15 years m8

>>378421804
Lot of mobile games fit into the short game but no real replay for me. Ridiculous fishing is fantastic, pinout is the best pinball, heck I even liked Mario run, but even stepping up to the 3ds you got neat little games like Gunman Clive and Gunvolt

>>378421804
>The only reason you want to return a game after you finished it once if it has no replayability, which is true for most indie trash.

I'd say this a problem with games release today in general. They've stopped being as replayable as they were during the PS2/Xbox era

>>378421997
>which I wouldn't know were bad or good until I played them.
Or you could check reviews and youtube gameplays like everyone who isn't a total idiot.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=full+blast+gameplay
so hard

>>378422030
Are you seriously saying that a pinball game has no replay value and you don't want to play it again a few times in the future?

>>378422030
That's a garbage comparison considering most mobile games are free, or at least "freemium" to give you plenty of time to try the game before deciding whether it's worth anything.

If the OP's game was free, we wouldn't even be having this discussion to begin with.

>>378422030
Then maybe don't put mobile phone games on Steam?

>>378422151
>If the OP's game was free, we wouldn't even be having this discussion to begin with.
Then the autistic loser would just buy another game on sale in the hope to troll /v/ while masturbating over the thread.

>>378422143
Pinout is a pinball style game where the goal is to keep going up before the time runs out, not just try to maximize score on a normal table. The music kicks ass and I dropped a few bucks to unlock the ability to start from levels you've reached, the alternative is starting from the bottom every time.

>>378422141
Alright I just checked out some footage and I'm still not sure if it's bad or good

Good work, ace.

>>378417113
Origin lets you play for 24 hours before a refund and it was long before Steam even had such an option. Notice how the whining began only when Steam implemented it. That's because only indie shits complain about it

>>378420524
How would that even work if you didn't make a shitty 2 hour long indie game?

>>378422382
What game are you checking out? Did you look up gameplay footage?

>>378422480
Fullblast - the one you linked. I mean good lord, pay attention.

When you are such a poor looser you have to buy a game on sale even if you indent to refund it just to troll /v/.

>>378422382
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7nGNFAq5B4
look like boring shovelware at first sight

>>378422285
With luck, maybe he'll buy a game that isn't shit so he wouldn't have to refund it.

>>378422582
>look like boring shovelware at first sight

Well I guess OP had every right to refund it

Thanks for proving my point, ace.

>>378422537
I didn't link it, but looks like a standard shoot em up to me. I'm not knowledgeable enough in the genre to know what separates the good ones from the bad ones outside things like control issues. You should find warning forever, it's a free shooter from forever ago where you fight boss ships that evolve based entirely on how you beat the last one.

>>378422673
The point is you stupid cuck that you can see the game sucks without buying or playing it and posting about how retarded you are on /v/.

>>378422748
>I didn't link it, but looks like a standard shoot em up to me

Maybe thats what OP wanted but was even disappointed with those low standards?

>>378422850
>The point is you stupid cuck that you can see the game sucks without buying or playing it

Explain the No Man's Sky audience then

>>378422860
OP wanted to make a pathetic picture and a pathetic thread on /v/ so he can masturbate to it.
>>378422929
Everyone who isn't retarded knew NMS is going to be shit long before it released.

>>378417113
>>378417175

Better yet, make a good game that I'm willing to replay several times even if it's relatively short.

>>378422987
>Everyone who isn't retarded knew NMS is going to be shit long before it released.

I don't think it's about being retarded or not - because the game sold a TON to a lot of people who tricked by the hype. There's always a game that gets tons of fan hype and ends up a flop, and they've learned to not be those people.

>>378423092
>because the game sold a TON to a lot of people who tricked by the hype. There's always a game that gets tons of fan hype
because they are retards, the same retards who fund kickstarter shit, normal people are literal retards

>>378423203
>the same retards who fund kickstarter shit

Like /v/ and mighty number 9

If you abuse refunds they block you from using the feature. I refunded about 230 games since it was put in and they finally blocked me from refunding anything.

>>378422995
That's a symptom of video games as a whole these days

I'd prefer a short game with tons of ways to play it than a long one with only one real way to play it

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>tfw making a shit game that requires 2 hours and 1 minute to finish

>>378423369
Screenshots of your email confirming that? Of the games you refunded?

If you were always below the 2 week, 2 hour threshold, that shouldn't even be possible by Valve to block you like that.

>>378423404
>old games were better
Games were always shit, you just grew up.

>>378420676
What are you talking about? All movies are free.

>>378423369
How could you abuse refunds? Did you just play games up to the 2 hour limit then refund? I only refund games I geniunely didn't like.

>>378423489
>skip the credits and refund

>>378423613
Nah not even remotely true.

Literally nothing competes with either Perfect Dark and Timesplitters 2 in terms of game content these days.

Tekken 7 doesn't even have a fun mode like Tekken 3's force mode or Tekken 5's Devil Within or whatever it was called in Tekken 6 - and the less said about Soul Calibur 4 and 5, the better.

>>378420676
It's almost like movies aren't games

>>378417113
no, developers need to make games that arent shit instead. this will directly lead to better games.

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>>378423743
*blocks your refund*

>>378423498
It's stated right in the terms that if you abuse it, they'll block you. I used it as a rental service, and I don't have shame in admitting that.
why would I post a picture of an email? I'd have to block everything out then you'd say it was shopped. Don't believe me if you don't want.

>>378423724
pretty much. Like I said, it was pretty much a rental service, to see if the games even worked for me. Started with stardew valley, actually. For some reason it doesn't detect my GPU and refuses to launch because of it, saying it won't support the proper shaders. I refunded it, then realized I could try a bunch of games and see if they worked, that i'd been on the fence for. So I did, and I bought a lot of games, but refunded way more because they ran like shit, had no content, or just plain weren't fun/clickbaited me.

>>378419508
ok then insert that game youre referring to friend

>>378424259
Donkey Kong Country

>>378424536
>this game from 1994 that gets speed run all the time

Is that all you really have? This is how youre going to make your point? The game itself takes around 3-4 hours for a normal persons first playthrough

>>378424747
>3-4 hours
lel

>>378424938
http://www.gamelengths.com/games/playtimes/Donkey+Kong+Country/

sorry its actually more like 5 hours :^)

>>378417113
There's just not a good solution to this. Any refund cutoff is arbitrary.
I think people that do it and hide behind "well your game should be more than 2 hours didn't you know only REAL games are at least that long?" are 1000x more obnoxious and scummy than pirates.

>b-but an uninformed first playthrough is going to take longer
You're supposed to read guys and watch youtube playthroughs so you know what to expect. Also skip all cutscenes since you've seen them on yt. Then you can push most games under 2h on your first play.
If it still takes more than 2 hours, you back up the save files, refund the game, buy it on a second steam account and copy your saves. Then finish the game on the second account and refund it again.

>>378425341
or not be an autist and pirate it

>>378417113
if you beat it before the 2 hour mark and feel it wasnt worth it then the devs failed at a sale.

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>>378423284

>>378425341
>You're supposed to read guys and watch youtube playthroughs so you know what to expect


>>>/reddit/
>>>/neofag/

I don't know just fuck off. Why even play the game if you know what's going to happen

>>378425708
>Not recognizing satire

Come on son

>>378426154
>Falling for the bait

>>378426154
>I was only pretending to be retarded
that's not satire

I wonder if OP is still masturbating over the thread since it looks like he stopped replying after no one took his pathetic bait.

>>378417705

>/v/ on piracy:
>>Hell yeah pirate games bro fuck Denuvo

That's people lauding the circumvention of what they think is a bad system


>/v/ on refunds:
>>Whoa whoa, this is taking it a little far, don't you think?

That's people disapproving of taking advantage of what they think is a good system, steam refunds

>>378424059
>but refunded way more because they ran like shit, had no content, or just plain weren't fun/clickbaited me.
Aren't those still valid reason to refund?

>>378425052
Why not use a site with actual users?

https://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=2686

>>378423790
dunno about soul calibur 5, but soul calibur 4 had a fuck ton of content between the tower of souls and character customization

>>378425228
>are 1000x more obnoxious and scummy than pirates.

Maybe if you're a cuck

>>378421609
>Fighting games
>Story content
The only reason to buy fighting games is for the online component.

>>378427930
>Literally forgets an era of games where online wasn't a thing

???

>>378427930
Stop trying you pathetic cuck.
You obviously wanted to bump the shit thread.

>>378417175
fpbp

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Does anyone else refund games way too often? The items there are sold, not purchased.

>>378417705
You shouldn't half-ass things.

Pirate it or don't. Shit like sharing games and refunding is like the agnosticism of acquiring video games. Faggots should just

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxyadCHxUng

It is perfectly fine as it is. Short games can be good games, that you are still going to keep. That's because they're good, and you will want to play them again even though you "completed" them

good games have a certain replayability that makes you want to keep them even if they're short, because it's fun to play and it's rewarding to play it more than once. Examples would be FTL or Starfox 64

if your game is however finished in less than two hours and you will have no real reason to boot it up again and there's no gameplay and can just literally be completed by walking through it, because it's as shallow and simple that it could be recreated in its entirety as a fucking Doom 2 .wad like the fucking Gone Home was, then by all means you deserve to get every bad criticism you got and everybody should be allowed to refund your game

>>378428074

and back then no one gave a fuck about "story" unless they had aspergers. They played head-to-head. Same now, just more convenient.

>>378429132
Why does it fail sometimes?

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>>378417113
Its kind of a shit move if its a nice game, but most developers that get hurt from this are SJW faggots like brianna wu and the faggots of the chinese room

>>378428074
>An era in which arcades existed and couch MP was prevalent

>>378431037
>play tutorial
>it runs like fucking shit
>that'll be 40% of your money you can't get back

>>378420604
>I think refunds are an important consumer right
If you love commie shit so much why dont you go to venezala or cuba?

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>>378417113
Post developers salt please

>>378430082
Cancelled purchase. I don't remember actually buying those games.

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>>378420676

>go to movie theatre
>a single hot dog is $9

Isn't that how movie theaters earn most of their money anyway?

>>378420497
Why would a place that serves lunch care about being paid if it's just the price of lunch?

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I played through and kept Homefront: Revolution, so if I refund your game you'd better believe it's fucking irredeemably shit.

That said I buy almost nothing through Steam and 90% of my library is keys that I've bought from somewhere else, so refunds don't often come up.

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>>378417196
>...for just the price of a coffee...
>...rather than buying a latte...
>...would rather buy a pumpkin spice latte a few times a week and enjoy it for a few minutes than buy a game...
>...could support our game rather than buying a cup of coffee today...
>...5 people have to buy our game to justify one latte...
>...access to the full game for a whole price of a fucking vintage latte...
>...a project they thought was worth $5— the price of a fancy latte here in LA...
>...Or about equivalent to a large Starbucks latte with a pastry...
>... $2.99 actually does compare itself nicely to a latte...
>...It costs less than a cup of coffee!...
>... the price of a bloody cup of coffee to give you hours of entertainment...
>...give you amazing games at the price of a cup of coffee!...
>...your indie-wishlist for less than a cup of coffee' bundle...

>>378417705
No one gives a shit about refunding shitty indie games. It's the same guy who has been making these threads for months now.

>>378417113
It's on the developer to make a game that a person won't want to refund. Of course, there are complete faggots that will refund a game no matter how good it is, or just want everything for free, like you, OP. The problem is that shitty developers are claiming that those people are the norm.

>>378434867
>Buying that overpriced shit
Get a load of richie rich over here.
Worst case you smuggle something in.

>>378435493
It's more or less the same timerun, plus the latte won't leave you with a shitty aftertaste.

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>>378420676
I pirate movies and TV shows far more than I do games.
I never even go to the cinema by choice it's much more enjoyable to watch them in the comfort of my living room.

>>378435832
All those quotes are real btw, just amuses me that these LA retards live in a bubble where their time and money is measured in lattes.

They go to one of the most expensive cities in the world to become "game developers" and then make indie shovelware that nobody wants to buy, then find a way to blame everyone else when they're living out of their car and they can't afford Starbucks.

I don't drink lattes and I can buy a real game made by competent developers for the same price.
Looking at CDkeys right now for the price of a latte I could buy:
Half Life
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Mortak Kombat Komplete
Just Cause 2
Rayman Origins
Shadow of Mordor
Mad Max
Borderlands
XCOM: Enemy Unknown
Arkham City
Resident Evil 5

Oh but I should feel like "slapped together indie game #2564583" is a good deal and I should give it a pass because it's cheap?

>>378435807

I don't buy that shit. I just get something to eat after the movie.

>>378431037
>refunds based off achievement completion
>make a shitty walking simulator with only 1 achievement upon running it
>your money is mine now sucka

>>378434867
How can be they making money off that when nobodies buys their overpriced crap? It's like a modern koan

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>>378435935
When I can pay $10 to watch a movie immediately upon release in the comfort of my home, in the format that I choose, then I'll start paying for movies.
As it stands Hollywood is pretending a distribution problem doesn't exist rather than adapt to the digital economy as all other forms of media are doing. Services like Steam, Audible and Bandcamp make a killing by serving as middlemen and distributing media in ways that are cheaper and more convenient for the end user. Movie companies won't do it, because they're fucking fossils and they think they have enough pull to dictate how people consume their products. As a result Hollywood is hemorrhaging money and has been surpassed by the videogame industry, and they're having to slash profit estimates because nobody is going to the cinema anymore.
They're killing their own business by refusing to evolve, and then they blame "millennials" for not driving to the movies at 10pm on a weekday to pay $15 for a movie that they get to watch once in unfavorable conditions, rather than staying at home and watching Netflix.

>lend a book from the library
>it entertains me for 15 hours
>return it and some old people gives me compliments for using the library

it's like rocket science

>>378438054
DIFFERENT MEDIUMS BRO

>>378434867
Movie theaters only keep like 10% of the money from ticket sales, the rest goes to Hollyjew. So yeah the overpriced popcorn and soda is where they make all their money.

t. worked at a movie theater for a while

>>378417113
If you played it less than 2 hours you played it less than 2 hours.

It's pretty reasonable really, it's not long at all. If you complete the game and there is no replay value then that's their fault.

i solved her story in less than 2 hours and refunded it.

not at all worth the money.

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>>378417113
Faggots will always try to cheat the system, but refunds are a good thing to have.

Also, Steam is full of shmups and other short arcade-style games that you can literally beat in 30 minutes or even less, but I don't see those devs complaining about shitty refunds. If the game's any good the majority of people are going to keep it regardless.

>>378440646
I just wonder why /v/ was quick to defend this rando game

>>378436505
>All those quotes are real btw,
Did you collect them..?